it's hard being president as far as i can tell and trying to set a positive tone. you're kind of the head cheerleader of the country and speaking events, rallies, meeting teaming and president obama has figured out how to do that with one simple word, hey. >> give it up to the champ. hey. nascar sprint cup champion.

hey. >> hey. >> hey. >> hey. hey. hey. hey. hey. hey. hey. [ applause ] >> good morning. it's friday. can you guys believe it? it's friday finally, november 6th. welcome to morning joe. with us on set we have washington anchor and managing editor. john, i was telling you before, when you right a book could you please stop being so boring and stop not making waves and creating problems between long standing allies. >> noted. thank you. >> we're going to be diving into his new book destiny and power. it's causing a lot of discussion

about the past 10, 20, 30 years or so. the american odyssey of george h.w. bush which is officially out next week. you're going to want to read this book. also with us kristin anderson and joe's going to be joining us in just a minute. let's jump into one of big headlines of the morning. tuesday's republican presidential debate is going to be looking different from the first three with two candidates bumped down from the main stage and two others failing to make the card. not that there's an easy way to put on these debates but i'm not sure, well, listen to this. fox business network announced the eight person line up for tuesday's prime time debate. two of the previous competitors, new jersey governor chris christie and mike huckabee are

now in the earlier 7:00 p.m. contest. three term senator lindsey graham and -- of new york are out of the debates entirely. critics note senator graham's name was not listed in the wall street journal pole. jeb bush tweeted he disagrees with rules about graham's voice being heard. campaigning in new hampshire before the decision yesterday chris christie said he would be undeterred. >> i'm going to be debating somebody tuesday night whether it's the follows i've been debating before, other folks. i don't care. put a podium on the lawn in front of the foliage, i'll debate here. there's 90 plus days to go in new hampshire, we're moving numbers and we're going to keep working hard. >> jennifer horn tweeted

yesterday national polls are a name i.d. chris christie is working hard. he should be on the main stage. joe, i agree. what do you think? >> i think it's stunning. you look at how chris christie has been doing over the past week. look at the campaign and the fact he has a video out that's viral. look at the fact jennifer horn said this guy is in the top tier in the first in the nation primary. the most important primary in america and along with marco rubio is actually moving faster up to the top than any other candidate. yet, he's knocked out of the debate where, i mean no disrespect to rand paul but he's literally sold 500 books in the first two weeks of his

publication. mark, this debate from ses just got stranger. cnn figured out a way to get carly in her debate when she had the hot hand. even assumed one of the hottest guys in new hampshire and social media this week would also get in. this is a decision that's flabbergasted. >> in a normal cycle this would be close for chris christie. i agree they should have got christie on the stage. he needs to keep the fundraising together. i think right now while it's unfortunate and keeping lindsey graham off the stage is a mistake, this is not something that's going to stop chris christie's presidential campaign. >> he might be able to. what's your take on what's happening with this field? you have chris christie, we were playing, i don't know if you saw the facebook video of him

talking about adiction in new hampshire but it's gone viral. i was watching over the course of two shows here on morning joe pu folks from the class watching this video for the first time and their mouth dropping open like this is the candidate. this is the moment. yet, there's this process that's comple completely separate from how people feel or what's happening in the moment that is getting these men on and off the main stage. couldn't there be a better way to do it? >> certainly it becomes much more subjectives. you're trying to oppose a subjective standard on averages. we know where people are on the polls. >> there's an argument polls mean nothing, polls mean this.

how does it determine? >> they don't mean nothing. it's a factor but shouldn't be the factor. >> shouldn't be the factor. >> or maybe they go state by state, joe. >> you have to look and see we've always said anybody that knows how politics works, these polls are beauty contest. how are you doing in iowa? how are you doing in new hampshire? how are you doing in south carolina and how are you doing in your own state? one of the things so stunning is chris christie was camped out because of a poll by investors business daily which was rated the worst poling outfit in all of the 2012 campaign. so you talk about a sample. we're not carrying chris christ christie's water. nate silver whom i've been in

fights with forever, nate was a guy who scored the worst. this is keeping the guy with the hottest hand-off the debate stage. >> i think there's going to be a lot of questions why they chose it over the cbs/new york times poll which some thought was a more recognized respectable poll. the day before veterans day the only candidate that served in the military is the only one who doesn't get a chance to debate. i can't see how they don't regret that one. >> all right. moving on. i'm glad we have -- here. >> we often are. >> we turn to you for information. >> a lonely nation. >> yes, there's that. also, facts.

ben carson responded to criticism he made over comments about parents were built by the biblical figure to restore grain. >> some people believe in the bible like i do and don't find that to be silly at all and believe the god created the earth and don't find that silly at all. they try to ridicule it any time it comes up and they're welcome to do that. >> carson was also criticized because of his believes of america. that claim was rated false by

the washington postand carson changed to say they had no experience in federal office where at the time the federal government didn't exist. he was also under scrutiny for violent episodes in his youth before he turned to religion including the attempted stabbing of a friend named bob which he wrote about in his best selling autobiography. a number of carson's childhood friends said they had no recollection of him being hot tempered. >> i don't want to expose people without their knowledge but remember when i was 14, when the knifing incident occurred, that's when i changed. that's when most of the people i talked to knew who i was. they didn't know me before there. one of the ones where i threw a rock and broke someone's glasses, that occurred when i was 7 or 8.

the stabbing, attempted stabbing incident occurred when i was 13 or 14. trying to hit my mother in the head with a hammer was around the same time as a stabbing incident. unless they were there at that time, why would they know about that? that's very silly. everybody has childhood memories of things they do that other people unless they were specifically involved wouldn't know about. i don't know why that's hard for people to understand. >> i never use the true names of people in books to protect the innocent. that's something that people have done for decades, for centurys. it's something commonly done. the person i tried to stab, i talked to today. said would they want to be revealed and they were not an, to be revealed and it was a

close relative of mine and i didn't want to put their lives under the spotlight. this is something that i've decided to do. >> so, joe, i guess first of all i'm told he didn't say in the book these are fake names to protect the innocent or to protect people he doesn't want to expose. carson went on to say i would say the people, to the people of america do you think i'm a pathological liar like cnn does or do you think i'm an honest person? what are we suppose to think? >> first of all, his story seems to keep changing about exactly what happened, when it happened, where it happened. i don't think that matters at the end of the day. i think more importantly, you have the question of whether this guy is just a little

querky. we follow up a story about a stabbing that appears to be inconsist ntd a inconsistent and a lot of different stories where you make up names in your book and then the pyramids being named by biblical figures even though the bible is one of the most important historical times and he talks about people who don't believe in god questioning his pyramid theory. i'm southern baptist and was raised in the baptist church and spent three or four days at church reading the bible in church and was literally raised in the southern bible church. i don't believe his theory. his crazy and in my 50 years in churches, i've never heard this

theory before. i don't know that the secular progressive attack sticks. there's a lot of querkyness. >> i think you framed it just right. this is again a crazy cycle. could ben carson being this inconsistent and having this many questions raised for people still be the republican nominee? i think he can be if no one else rises up as a challenger. there are other strong candidates that will challenge him. this isn't a pattern of exaggeration that speaks to

larger issues. he's got to reassure people it doesn't. also, my political hero. he aspired me with people like john kasich to get into politics. reagan would say things like trees are the admiter of carbon dioxide. again, i love this story. they would hang signs around trees wherefore reagan went saying stop me before i kill

again. by the time he was taken national he delivered the speech in 1964. he had spent 10 years on the road for general electric reading events and national review one of the things about reagan, he probably had close to a photograph rancic memory. if it was right or wrong it was going to be in there. carson and reagan is probably not the analogy we want.

i'm very glad john put a needle in it. >> donald trump has picked up on the stories tweeting the carson story is a total fabrication. trying to hit his mother over the head with a hammer or stabbing his friend. >> joe knows this. family values is a thing that really hunts. this could be important. >> it is crazy the guy is trying to convince everybody yeah, i really did stab people. >> i wondered if i'm the only one thinking is this where we're at? another story. former state representative mike

who donated to jeb bush says it quote became very disturbing to me how he was using other people's money. according to cnn he points to a statement that dismissed claims against rubio. it dumped records showing personal spending including movie tickets, charges to a blind store and family vacation. damages to rubio's mini van and thousands more to replace it. he offered explanations. the wine store sold chips. the mini van was damaged at a republican event. the other charges he said he used the wrong credit card in his wallet and eventually reimbursed the party. the commission advocate wrote when the level of negligence between the state party american

express card and his card with error is disturbing. >> i just want to ask joe, you know florida better than any of us. is this kind of thing common, not common how surprised should we be? >> actually when these stories first came out in 2010 marco was running for the senate. i thought after reading stories about him, i think it was the miami harold or st. pete times he was going to be in big trouble. there was a culture in the florida legislature. especially on the republican side. you had the republican chairman at the time. i think he got sent to jail.

you have campaign money, professional money and personal money. you never mixed the three. the leaders back in florida in rubio's time seem to be incredibly wreckless and in fact, a friend of mine spent time in jail for doing things marco was accused of. i will say this, i've been here since 2010.

if the other shoe was ever going to fall, let me say this has been the longest five year step i've ever seen in my life and if jeb bush's people are hoping five years later the other shoot falls, lots of luck. i think this may turn out to be the benghazi scandal of the g.o.p. primary in that there's a lot of smoke and you never really find the fire. that said, they don't have the credit cards marco has been holding on to. this is what the bush campaign is asking and a lot of people are asking why won't he release these credit card records. >> i think the big question is did he reimburse for everything or not. if he did, this is a little thing that ends up going away because it's not really relevant to what most care about in the

election. if it seems like there was a misuse of funds, if the shoe was going to drop it would have been dropped by the charlie chris people in 2010. it wouldn't waited all this time. >> boy, did it get a response from prominent republicans and family members. this book is hot, on fire and not even out yet. we'll talk about mecham's new book. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. >> i've watched over the course of the last few days in

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a family drama is playing out in plain view in front of the entire country and it's all because of mecham. i did not expect this. when you said you set there months and months and months in your janell walt your pajamas. >> there was skepticism. >> there was a lot of there there. in john's new book, destiny in

power, george h.w. bush gives a critique of donald rumsfeld's service. cheney says the just became different than t-- the former president had harsher words for his son's first defense secretary calling donald an arrogant fellow. he made his own decisions. that is, let me ask you something. how's he doing and in the interviews? is that response by rumsfeld?

president bush, 41, made these comments in a series of interviews that began in 2008. he continued to reiterate the points as late as 2012. i've rethought my position and if you want to make any clarification and make a note of that, that's what i said. vice president cheney saw these remarks and response in my book. secretary rumsfeld saw what was said to me. the criticism president bush saw all of this and responds in the pook. there are no surprises to any of the principles in this.

president bush knew exactly what he was saying. i think part of what's going on is a lot of people expected he thought these things but he maintained his silence for so long. so the question becomes why would he have taken this moment to talk about it. my own view is as the son's administration's view was moving into history, bush, had 1 who does have a deep history of getting things right, he had a tape recorded diary which i draw on. he cares about history. i think he wanted to make the point that his son's administration had been over overly -- image and the style of swagger that he believes cheney and rumsfeld in particular and his son played into was not a style that would wear particularly well. on the substance of the policies, there's less

distinction. he wrote a letter saying the man won't comply. you have to do what you have to do. >> joe, jump in. >> this goes back to august 2, 0026, months before the war beg began. a man we all know would never speak out of turn about bush 43. he came out six months before the invasion and said don't attack sadam. there was obviously clear antipathy not only between rumsfeld and bush going back to the mid-1970s but between the bush 41 team and bush 43 team in real time. this is not monday morning quarterbacking. talk about the split and divide and real time and the months

leading up to the war. >> it's a distinction about how you react to a different environment, right. president bush, 41 was dealing with more of a classic balance of power struggle in 1990, 91. one country invaded another country and threw off the balance of power in the middle east. one of the most moving moments in the diary as president bush is saying this will not stand. he's dictating, you could hear the blades in the background and he said if we don't stop him from going into saudi arabia we could have another world war. 2002 is a different thing. bush believes they have a force to change the region.

it's a generational and philosophical difference because the times are different. >> first, this book comes out while another bush is running for president. let's bring in casey hunt live in new hampshire. tell us what jeb bush had to say to you about the new book. >> yes, we know jeb bush has struggled quiet a bit to deal with his family name in the context of this campaign. obviously, with this book coming out and his family spilling back out into the limelight, it was impossible for jeb bush not to get pulled into the fray. >> my brother is a big boy. his administration was shaken by his thinking and reaction to the attack of 9/11. i can my dad like a lot of people that loved george wanted to create a different narrative,

perhaps because that's natural to do. george would say this was under my watch and i was commander in chief and i set responsibility for what happened both good and bad and that's the right way to look at it. >> does your last name make it harder for this race. >> there's no on the couch meditating my naval. it's a blessing. you walk into the diner and three people said i love your brother, it's an an tray as a candidate to be able to give people a sense of who i am and some people, there's a couple there i'm marking down as neutral. it didn't seem to warm up to the fact there's not bush showing up. there's more good than bad.

>> this has been both a blessing and curse for him i think in ways he didn't expect. this is a guy whose personality is different from his brothers and somebody who prides himself on having carved out his own space moving to miami building a political history background in a place his family wasn't. it's impossible for him to get away from it especially when mecham is running around with all this new tough. >> casey hunt, thank you very, very much. the timing is really interesting for jeb. >> yes. joan was sitting in nashville thinking this is going to come out exactly. what's the reaction been to you from 43, from george bush to this? to this specific allegation. he surrounded himself with

people who served him back. there's an element there of criticism. >> this he believes and his father believes these were different wars for different reasons. he says go back to the acts of evil and that's going to be seen not benefitting anything. there were questions about were we going to expand the war on terror possibly to iran. you had conservatives around cheney making noises about attacking iran. so the context is important here. he also, one of the things about george walker bush going back to

johnson is he has this difference to anybody sitting behind the desk in the oval office. >> who was his reaction? >> he said he's ruining the administration. the other thing he said was my r redder rancic could get hot at times. >> joe, jump in. >> i just within want john, you spent so much time with the bush's. the one thing that struck me about this family with the greatest political dynasty in american politics more than the adams through the kennedys, they've been more successful than any family in the history of this republican. what struck me when i had the honor to ha

honor of actually going to my place and spending on afternoon with them and part of an evening with them was despite the grand setting of their home on walker point and despite the extraordinary power that at the end of the day, 41 and barbara were like a mom and dad. the criticism wouldn't face for 50 or 60 years. i know i'm going to get killed for saying this. i was struck by the normalcy when you stripped away all the power and stripped away the grand setting on walker point that this was an american family with a mom and dad with the same

emotions that a mom and dad in the trailer park in florida would have about their boys getting picked on by people in the media. i was surprised by that. were you in. >> it's always personal. that's the reason it's called biography. it's the story of a person. story of life. the patriarch of this group is a man whose the last president of the generation who governed in this time who had five children, lost a daughter to leukemia, shot down over the pacific. his encounters with death at that age was every moment mattered. he went from the pacific to texas. he tried to build his own life there. he goes into texas politics.

if he hadn't moved to texas we wouldn't be having this conversation. he would been a new england republican and we know how well that worked out for a lot of republicans. your right about miss bush who wears different color sneakers on her feet at the same time. it is a mom. it is a dad. they are a big family. it's sports, family and that's about it. i suspect we have talked more specifically about bush family politics maybe this morning than they did in all of calender 2014. i really believe that. >> fascinating. congratulations on the book. it's out next week. getting an early look today.

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there has been a lot of change even after the 88 day mark. you can see rick perry had been in the lead for a good while. if you look at what happens after rick perry and herman cain had a brief moment of excitement and you had the moment where it looked for a while like newt was going to be the winner. it fell apart by the time the

primary occurred and we remember it w santorum won the primary. if you go back to 2008 you can see again roughly the 88 denmark is about here and you can see the romney was leading pretty much along the way but then huckabee began this rise after this point in time and ultima ultimately won the primary. what's also kind of amusing. let's go to 2008. if you go to 2008 and the democrats, what you see the hillary clinton leading throughout most of this period again and the mark around here. hillary clinton leading along the way but then you can see obama starting to come up and she had been in a fight not be obama but edwards through most

of this period. in the end edwards fell back a bit. obama ended up winning and clinton came in third by a relatively small margin. the point of all this is things can still change and have changed in the past. the other point that everyone here knows is that iowa is not a predictor of what will happen. son or the up or huckabee. >> that is proven, exactly. >> there's a lot of establishment up for vote in iowa. trump is currently getting some of it and cruz is getting some of it. none of the establishment candidates are taking off. whoever wins gets a big deal. fourth is the biggest deal at the top finishing established candidate might end up having the biggest leg up after the nomination. >> joe. >> mark, how is this year different than what we've seen in 2012, also 2008. are there certain dynamics in this race that we didn't have

then? i saw newt going up. newt would have won iowa. the fact romney spent tens of thousands of dollars to destroy him there and in florida. have the rules changed things this year? actually you're not going to be able to blast the front runners whether it's ben carson, donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz, et cetera, et cetera. >> the super packs are different. i think no one has aggressively tried to organize iowa. the most organized people on the ground, trump, cruz, bush, they've not spread out to 99 counties an of course, the other big difference is when you got 15 dacandidates and almost everybody is competing. it's more than three dimensional checks. you can't say i'm ted cruz and need to take carson. if you take carson you might take yourself as well. this thing hasn't been engaged

or organized. >> let's bring in mike. what have they showed this morning? >> first, happy friday. 81% says ben carson will not hold on to get the republican nomination in cleveland in july. two big reasons. one is he's not going to be able to take insider scrutiny that now the other campaigns and the press taking ben carson seriously and there's a lot more attention and scrutiny to his colorful statements and lack of public record. >> interesting.

>> second, mark was just referring to this when talking about how he's not among most organi organized candidates. he can't win a war of attrition. he's done well in iowa because of evangelical and home schoolers there. he's raised a lot of money but expensively through telemarketing. >> mike, let me get kristin and amy in here. kristin, that's surprising to me. i heard almost that ben carson had a kind of a lock on iowa that was really deep down grass roots and in this home schooling population and with many people in churches who had red his light story. >> there's been a lot of people with a favorable view of ben carson. the question is does that hold up and does he have any infrastructure to take it from the finish line? if you take a look at some of the other candidates like a ted cruz, he has super pacts with a lot of money but haven't

reserved any time on air. it's unclear what that's going to turn to. ben carson is coasting on a lot of people having a favorable view of him and that's deferent than a strong political operation on the ground. >> jeb bush has a super pack and sinking in the poles. in the past in 2012 you didn't mention michelle bachman. it seems like donald trump and ben carson are steady and the others are jock can iing for position. >> i led the poles for a time in

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welcome back to morning joe. joining the conversation we have white house correspond nt chris jansen. tuesday's republican presidential debates are going to look different than the first three and be less interesting too. two candidates bumped down from the main stage and two others failing to make the cut off. fox business network announced the eight person line up for tuesday's prime time debate. two of the previous competitors former governor chris tchristie and mike huckabee. three term senator lindsey graham and george are out of the debate entirely. critics note senator graham's name was not even listed in the

nbc news wall street journal poll. jeb bush tweeted he disagrees with rules that has graham's voice from being heard. his foreign policy message is an important one in particular. christie said he would be undeterred. >> i'm going to be debating somebody on tuesday night whether it's the folks i've been debating before or other folks. i don't care. in one respect put a podium out here and let's put a few people out here. i'll debate them here. we're moving numbers here in new hampshire and we're going to keep working hard. >> jennifer horn, the chair of the new hampshire republican party tweeted yesterday national poles arepolls are a measure of name i.d. chris christie is working hard and should be on the main stage. joe, what's going on? >> that's a great question. i have no idea what executives

were thinking when putting the criteria together. mika you're right and jennifer horn is right. this is shocking that the man moving fastest up the approximapolls in new hampshire is chris christie. he's got something on youtube, that incredible moving speech has gotten over 5 million hits this week. this is a guy that's got the hot hand and you're keeping him off the stage and keeping him off the stage by basing your criteria and this is where people in christie's campaign might suggest there's a conspiracy for some reason to keep him off the stage. you would look at the poles that fox business shows. investors business daily rated as one of the worst in 2012. inv investors business daily poll had john mccain getting over 70%

of the youth vote against barack obama in 2012. it is historically inaccurate and bad and it's almost likely cherry picked the one pole which is one of the most inaccurate poles out there to specifically keep chris christie off the stage. he said you got a cbs new york times poll out there. they picked this poll and polls before the last debate to keep him off the stage in the next debate. it's bizarre. i don't understand it. >> here's the dirty secret about this debate and the ones coming up. organizers want something different. we've had three debates with 10 people on stage or 11. we've seen how hard it is to divide 10 hours between 11 people. i know a lot of news organizations say what could be different?

fewer people. i think that's the issue here. had you rather do a debate with eight rather than 10? you would. rather than trying to cram 10 people into two hours. >> i understand that, chris. how can one of the hottest guys in the first in the nation primary be kept out, chris, based on beauty pageant polls? everybody knows the national polls mean nothing. those are irrelevant. those are the polls that measure name i.d. they don't measure viability. >> the frustration you hear in a lot of the campaigns doesn't deal with the specifics.

when you talk to strategist, no one thought we would be at this place. they would have an opportunity to have their voice heard. that's what it is. whether you're somebody at the bottom of the poles and moving up or somebody at the top and wants to solid identify your position. there's a high level of frustration and i would say they're confounded by the state of the race as all of us are. >> it is confounding and puts the decision of people making debates in a -- i think that's what you would want to measure and yet looking at your graph, steve, anything could happen. so why are we measuring anything? they all should be on the stage

in some way shape or form equally. >> and the question is why don't you have a three hour debate divided in half where you have eight people or seven people in the first debate and six or seven people in the second debate? that's the biggest question. listen, anybody that knows anything about presidential politics knows if you want to know if marco rubio is going to win or ted cruz is going to win or how jeb bush is doing you don't get the nationwide snapshots that's meaningless. you see how they're doing in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. after that, other than how they're doing in their own home states where the people know them best, the rest of it is irrelevant. as mark has said and others said if you in iowa and you in new hampshire, every other pole in the 48 states are going to change radically after that.

why you snub, this isn't just chris christie being snub, these are the voters in new hampshire and the most important primary in america being ignored. >> i don't disagree. i think i'm tampering with the process. >> then you come back to the question of how do you do to it? i think mark made the point they want fewer people on stage. i'm not sure you're going to have quiet the same rating. >> you go from having eight to four people on the second debate. you could have more than four. i understand why lindsey graham isn't in the second debate. >> he's not in the debate. >> it's super ridiculous. >> ratings are one off. it's not like the net woks have their business revolutionized no matter what they sell the add time for. there's a public interest in

having it heard. there's a thousand ways to do a format to get everyone to talk. >> you say they're choosing not to get the number down. >> they want a great event. not just for ratings but because they want a prestige of producing a fourth debate. >> it's true. if you want theater you have chris christie on stage. >> having 10 people was messy. that last debate seemed fairly cumberso cumbersome. you could have seven and seven or split it how you like. >> it's still unfair because things change. just because someone is low in the poles now does not mean they may not surge below later. >> they're going to look silly if chris christie ends up being the republican nominee. >> ben carson responded to skepticism yesterday over

comments he made saying the pyramids were built to store grain not as burial tombs. >> some people believe in the bible and don't find that silly at all. and believe that god created the earth and don't find that silly at all. >> carson was also criticized for his claims about american history. in a facebook post wednesday carson compared his lack of experience to the founding fathers quote every signer of the declaration of independence had no elected office experience. what they had was a deep belief freedom was a gift from god. that claim was rated false by the washington post and carson changed the post to say they had no experience in federal office though at the time the federal

government did not exist. carson was also under scrutiny in his own life story particularly about violent episodes in his youth before he turned to religion including the attempted stabbing of a friend named bob which he wrote about, his best selling biography. a number of carson's childhood friends told cnn they had no recollection of him being hot tempered or violent saying some of the names were made up. >> i don't want to expose people without their knowledge but remember, when i was 14, when the knifing incident occurred, that's when i changed. that's when most of those people they talked to began to know who i was. one of the ones where i threw a rock and broke someone's glasses, that occurred when i was maybe about seven or eight. the stabbing incident occurred

when i was 13 or 14. trying to hit my mother in the head with a hammer, that was around the same time as the stabs incident. unless they were there at that time why would they know about that? that's very silly. everybody has childhood memories of things they knew that other people unless they were specifically involved wouldn't know about. i don't know why that's hard for people to understand. >> i never used the true names of people in books to protect the innocent. that's something people have done for decades, for centurys, something that's commonly done. the person that i tried to stab, i talked to today. said would they want to be revealed. they were not an, to be revealed and it was a close relative of

mine. i didn't want to put their lives under the spotlight. this is something that i've decided to do. >> carson went on to say i would say to the people of america do you think i'm a pathological liar like cnn does or do you think i'm an honest person? joe, i just want to make sure we are actually trying to get to the bottom of the right thing here. are we arguing whether or not he stabbed someone and are we arguing whether or not, yes, i did stab someone and yes, i did hit my mother on the head with a hammer? what is going on? >> we will get to the point in a minute about ben carson being very angry that americans are not believing him that he actually hit his mother in the head with a hammer and stabbed another family member and that actually his character is being

impewed by those who don't believe that like maxwell in the beetles song actually struck his mother on the head with a hammer. ben carson's silver hammer, i guess it is. i do want to go back to something said before about the pyramids that i take exception with. ben carson said those americans who belief in the bible and those americans who believe god created the earth understand what i'm saying. i'm a southern baptist and been a southern baptist my entire life and i believe in the bible and that god created the earth. i believe in joseph of innocence and i believe that god's visions to joseph helped joseph save the egyptian people and turn this young slave boy into one of the most powerful rulers in all of egypt. yet in my half a century in the

church never once heard anyone suggest that the pyramids are anything other than what the pyramids are and they are tombs to farrows. >> among the things we did yesterday doing our due diligence and wants to know where sort of this came from and there was a period in time centurys ago where there were many theories about the pyramids. >> was that one of them? >> that was one of them but that was not, that has not been one that either has been put forward by a scientist or as joe points

out even by the evangelical religious community in a long time. having said that, i talked to a lot of people who stand in line and ask them about these things. focussing on these voters who are believers in ben carson and asking the wrong questions. they don't think this is important. in fact, some of theme are offended by the fact we are questioning someone's personal belief system. they feel part of what's wrong with america right now and part of the reason they're rebelled against washington is because they have been mocked. they have not been taken seri s seriously, their believes, and they find it offensive we are questioning. >> thank you. >> you know though, i got to say again, mock me if you want to mock me for believing that jesus christ was born, jesus christ

lived, jesus christ was cresus christ was crusified. don't mock me. if i say the eiffel tower was invented by noah, mock me for that. again, ben carson is somehow trying to say christians stand behind me while i put these bizarre theories forward that have no basis in history and in fact, that even biblical scholars don't believe. i find it offensive. we've talked enough about ben carson. >> it's krasz si but that's not important. that's not why we're voting for him. that's not why. i need to know. >> it's not like, i think you

can focus on this one thing and debate it both ways and say everything you guys have said. it's part of a bigger picture and the bigger picture is whether ben carson has a sense of history, a knowledge of history. >> we want something. we want something based on fact. >> yes. you put it together even with the thing he showed today with the idea that our founding fathers had no experience. >> it's one comment after another. >> it's like we don't get it at this point. let's leave that there on the table. we have a new pole to tell you about after a slew of poles in iowa. a post debate pole with likely republican caucus goers shows trump making a combat. trump up two points over carson. marco rubio is at third in 13%. joe. >> yeah, mark, two big take aways here. donald trump once again showing resilie resilien

resilience. alex said he became a believer when trump fail and then jumped back up. it appears to be happening again. donald trump again getting a second and third win. i see more importantly though the two numbers in that poll that right now should concern kr chris christie and that's the fact that the last debate performance have pushed marco rubio and ted cruz up to third and fourth place in that poll. jeb bush down 5%. he should go ahead and leave iowa and give up on it and go to new hampshire. debates matter. marco's debate, ted's debate matter. they're now a strong third and a strong fourth. we have that trump story and also the rise of these two people that have great debates last time. >> you have to say today looking at those polls there are three leading contender fs for the

nomination. trump controls his own destiny. >> it surprises me if it's not ben carson they would vote for, cruz by far. >> joe, jump in. >> yeah, you know, the thing is if just putting et bluntly, you talked about three dimensional chess, mark, if ted cruz were to win, ben carson must fall. if something happens where ben carson's support evaporates, ted cruz suddenly becomes a guy that like i can't even compare him to secretary, like a horse that breaks late and breaks hard. don't you agree with chris? if ben carson steps on his tongue one time too many and he

collapses, it is ted cruz that's going to suddenly become a strong establishment candidate. >> i think ted cruz is going to be the most underestablished. i surveyed a whole bunch thursday and said whose in this now and a finalist? even some of them who do not like ted cruz personally and think he would have a hard time winning a general election and do not want him to be the nominee say today he's the most likely republican nominee. >> i've got to siay, mika, we'r saying that about ted cruz. right now, the headline of this pole is donald trump has turned it around once again. he confounds critics. i spoke to a group of republicans last night. he confounds republicans and yet this is a guy they're starting to understand. i spoke to a lot of establishment republicans last night who can't figure out why he's winning but are starting to

believe he just may be the nominee. >> yeah, i think pund nts need to watch the debate like viewers. still ahead on morning joe, he's one of the most powerful men in congress and tonight he's hosting the democratic presidential candidates in his home state of south carolina. congressman jim joins us. first, the past has prolonged how bush 41 comments about his son's presidency sparked a fight. andrea mitchell is standing by with that story. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. you acceler, you acceler, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation.

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former president george h.w. bush gives a critique of rumsfeld in his son's administration. andrea mitchell.

>> mika, good morning. i know you've been talking to john about his new book. it is startling as jeb bush is trying to reboot his campaign for the presidency, he's now trying to explain what his father said, those comments about his brother george w. bush's white house. this after decades of silence. >> this morning the fog continues after george h.w. bush's book. rumsfeld thursday fired back telling nbc news bush 41 is getting up in news and bush 43 who i found made his own decision. >> time passes and we appreciate him more and more. >> the two have a history. as for the 2013 documentary

whether it was dick cheney who brought him into the second bush administration. >> i don't think george w. bush's father recommended. >> and in the new biography destiny in power, the elder bush didn't spare criticism for his own secretary of defense calling dick cheney an iron blank. cheney on fox recommended the book. >> i saw my role as being tough and aggressive as needed to be to carry out the policy. >> george w. bush in a statement said i am proud to have served with dick cheney and rumsfeld. >> caught in the middle jeb bush trying to become the third bush president. >> i think my dad like a lot of people that loved george wanted to create a different narrative. george would say this was under my wash, i was commander in chief. >> so here you've got a family

rip exposed after all of these years. rumsfeld said this was because of george h.w. bush's advancing age of the age of 91. in fact, john mecham went back to him a few months ago and said do you want to elaborate at all on the comments, not change them but explain and he said no, i wouldn't change a thing, not a word. >> andrea, i'm curious what your take is on what you've seen so far about the book. in your extraordinary career at nbc news, a lot of us remember you covering george h.w. bush and ronald reagan at the white house from 1981 through almost the end of their presidency. talk about bush 41 and his sons and what your take away is from what you've heard so far about this book. >> i think it's extraordinary reporting and it is clear to me

and also having talked to some of president bush's friends and post advisers, people were aware of this risk. he's very close. it's a very close family. you know he loves his sons. they adore him. the fact remains all during his son's george w.'s white house he was uncomfortable about the evil comment and other rhetorical flourishes and decisions. not the decision to invade iraq but some of the decisions made were precisely by rumsfeld and cheney. if you note, cheney was his defense secretary. this was in his view some how dick cheney, he says he didn't change at all. rumsfeld and george h.w. bush were always at odds. that goes all the way back to the jerry ford white house before my time, joe and so there was a lot of rivalry there.

cheney brought rumsfeld into the son's white house and it was certainly the son saying i am my own person. i am not my father's son. he was a different personal politically in terms of foreign policy. >> thank you for being with us. we're honored to have you here. mika, andrea's career is extraordinary and isn't it something. she was there during the white house and been an inspiration to both you and me to the years and what a great honor for us to have her on our show talking about this living history that we're all going to be digging into not only in reading mecham's book but through the campaign we're still living. >> book comes out next week. we're going to have to get back together here on the set with andrea and others and dig into some of the details coming out. this book surprising. i have to say i was accusing

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what's going on before we make any announcements. it is certainly possible. >> they have called the rush default a bomb premature and a mechanical failure has not been ruled out. putin's role in all this trying to figure out what's happened with the crash. >> there's no surprise he was running away from the possibility of a bomb or terrorism. if this had happen before he entered syria, obviously, no one wants lots of light over 200. if this had happened prior to him going to syria, this would have been a different reason to go in. putin doesn't react the way other world leaders do to events like this. >> all right. we're getting new incite in just how badly the u.s. plan to train

serian rebels has failed. the pentagon spent $384 million on the program. that's $2 million a fighter of the 180 serians bedded, trained and equipped to pick the reports that only 95 are in syria today. here's the last figure that we got from the pentagon in september. >> can you tell us what the total number of trained fighters remain? >> it's a small number and the ones that are in the fight is we're talking four or five. >> the training program was cancelled last month. it's more like $30,000.

>> both for the pentagon and white house. it's a failure for that program. it's doubts that the white house now has to put 50 armed americans into syria. everybody in capitol hill the thinking that's 50 now and going to be 300. u.n. a thousand. that gets us drawn into a fight. we will remember the sergeant killed in the hospital up in curdish territory in iraq. he was killed. imagine what happens if one of those 50 or one of the 300 if it becomes that or one of the 3,000 in syria gets captured and you get a situation like the jordanian pilot. >> that's been one of the biggest concerns too. how would it look if one of our soldiers were on a video release by isis and putoot putin comes russia is in syria and it appears that the u.s. is quickly

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sounds exciting. >> it is very exciting. thank you so much for having us and thank you so much for being here in south carolina. as you know, same mascot as my high school and now the academy. i've had a real loving experience with this university. the first doctorate i ever seen came from this university when celebrating 100 years of existence. one of the buildings we'll be operating in is lois west. to be able to host this event here at this university is one of the highlights of my career. >> nice. chris jansing, when you get on the campaign trail and talk to

folks, one of the complaints i hear repeatedly is there isn't enough doubt or conversation about the issues that matter the most. i'm wondering if you can give perspective on what you think can come out of things like this and the importance as we look at the big picture of this political season. >> well, thanks so much for that question. we in preparation for this debate, the political arm of my operation has been tweeted out and e-mailing all the people interacted with us over the years asking them what it is they would like to have these candidates address. i was a little bit surprised to see some of the responses. to sum it up, people are very concerned about income and equality and what we're going to do in this country to stop this widening gap between the haves and have notes or have littles. they are very concerned about the security of the country

asking questions, one of the heated answers about what a candidate would do to keep the country safe. they do believe that we ought to have a minimum wage that is more livab livable. i would hope that the questions this evening will gender some responses a little more sub si tif and aspirational for the voters than what i heard at the last republican debate. >> congressman. i would like to pick up on that. we're moments away from a very important jobs report. on paper the economy looks like it's doing just fine at 5.1% unemployment rate. they're expecting 180,000 jobs created. i'm curious to know what you and

the folks in south carolina feel about the economy specifically when it comes to wages. >> they believe that the country is on the rebound. they believe that the country is doing well. they don't see where their communities are doing as well as they should. remember, the invested class is being taken care of with all of the policies that we put forth. the fact of the matter is when you look at wall street, things are going well. you look at main street after main street after main street things are not going well for a lot of the people that we represent here. look at the student in the course of education, student loans being one of the biggest debts that families have in this country and people are worried about whether or not they're going to be able to educate their children so they can function in this global economy that we know they will have to

function in. so that's what the anxiety is all about. investors doing well, consumers not so well. >> all right. we look forward to the conversation. the forum getting under way right here on msnbc. congressman, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you very much for having me. >> all right. we'll be right back with much more morning joe. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.

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meacham, when you write a book, could you stop being so boring. the book will be out next week, you're going to want to read this become and kristen anderson. tuesday's republican presidential debate is going to look a little bit different from the first three with two candidates bumped down from the main stage and two others failing to make the cutoff from the undercard i think further raising questions about how this is working. not that there's an easy way to

put on these debates. listen to this. fox business network announced the eight-person lineup for tuesday's primetime debate. new jersey governor chris christie and mike huckabee who won the iowa caucuses in 2008 are in the earlier 7 p.m. contest and three-term senator lindsay graham and george pataki of new york are out of the debates entirely. senator graham's name was not even listed in the nbc news/wall street journal poll. jeb bush tweeted he disagrees with rules that prevent graham's message from being heard. and campaigning in new hampshire before the decision yesterday, chris christie said he would be undeterred. >> i'm going to be debating somebody on tuesday night. whether it's the folks i've been debating with before or other

folks. i don't really care in one respect. put a podium out here on the lawn in the foliage. there's 90 days to go to new hampshire, we're working hard here in new hampshire. >> chris christie is polling in the top tier in the first in the nation primary and working hard. he should be on the main stage. joe, i agree. what do you think? >> i think it's pretty stunning. you look at how chris christie has been doing over the past week. look at the campaign. look at the fact he has a video out that is viral that's got millions and millions of hits. look at the fact that jennifer horn, the chairwoman of the republican party said this guy is in the top tier in the first in the nation primary, the most important primary in america and along with marco rubio is actually moving faster up to the top than any other candidate.

and yet he's knocked out of a debate where i mean no disrespect to rand paul but you have rand paul, who has literally sold 500 books in the first two weeks of his publication. mark halperin, this debate process just got stranger. everybody assumed that the hottest guy in new hampshire and one of the hottest guys in social media this week would also get in. this is a decision that is flabbergasting. >> mark. >> well, i mean, in a normal cycle this would be maybe not a death nell but close to it for kriscris christie. he does have a fund raising problem. i think right now while it's unfortunate and keeping lindsey

graham completely off the stage is a mistake, this is not going to stop chris christie. he may even be able to turn it to his advantage. >> he may be able to but what's your take with what's happening with this field. i don't know if you saw the facebook video of him talking about addiction in new hampshire that was shot by of huffington post but it's really given viral. i was watching over the course of two shows here or "morning joe," pundits watching this video for the first time and their mouths dropping open like this is the candidate, this is the moment. and yet there's this process that's completely separate from how people feel or what is happening in the moment that is getting these men and some women on and off the main stage. couldn't there be a better way to do it? >> it becomes much more

subjective but politics by definition is subjective. so you're trying to impose a subject of standard with these averages of polls that we know historically where people are in the polls on november whatever it is. >> there's this argument polls mean nothing, polls mean this. >> they don't mean nothing but they -- it's a factor but it shouldn't be the factor. >> or maybe they go state by state, joe. >> well, again, you have to look and see we've always said, anybody who knows how politics work, these national polls are beauty contests. how are you doing in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and how are you doing in your moment state? that's are the bestnd kateors. chris christie was actually kept out because of a poll by investors business daily, which was rated the worst poll -- the

worst polling outfit in all of the 2012 campaign. so you talk about a sample that's not -- and we're not carrying chris christie's water. none other than nate silver, my close and personal friend nate silver who i've been in fights with forever, nate was a guy that scored them the absolute worst and every professional polling outfit agrees and yet this is keeping the guy with the hottest hand out of the debate. >> i think there's going to be questions about why they chose that poll. lindsey graham is on any stage. the only candidate that sfrd in the u.s. military doesn't get a chance to debate. i think that's a p.r. miss for the republican party and for fox

news holding this. i can't see how they don't regret this one. >> i'm glad we have that story in here. >> and i know you often are. >> well, we turn to you for information. >> a lonely nation. >> moments of gravitas. >> but also just facts. >> small moments. >> ben carson responded to criticism yesterday over comments he made that pyramids were built by the big biblical figure joseph to store grain and not as burial toombs. >> some people believe in the people like i do and don't find that to be silly at all. the second a progressive try to ridicule it any time it comes up and they're welcome to do that. >> carson was also criticized about his claims about american

history. in a facebook post on wednesday, carson compared his lack of experience to the founding fathers, "every signer of the declaration of independence had no elected office experience. what they had was a deep belief that freedom is a gift from god. he changed that quote to say federal office. and he -- a number of carson's childhood friends said they had no recollection of being hot tempered or violent, leading him to admit some of the names were,

well, meade up. >> when i was 14, they didn't know me before that. one of the ones where i threw a rock and broke someone's glasses, that occurred when i was or 8. the attempted stabbing ins department occurred when i was 1 or 1. trying to hit my mother in the head with a hammer occurred around the same time as my mother. unless they were there, why would they know about that? everybody has memories that other people that were specifically involved wouldn't know about. why is that so hard to understand? >> i never use the true names of people in books to protect the

innocent. that's something that people have done for decades, for centurie centuries. that's commonly done. the person i tried to stabbed, i talked to today, would they want to be revealed? they were not anxious to be revolved. it was a close relative of mean. and i didn't ant to put their lives under the spotlight. this is something that idea sided it do. >> joe, first of all, i'm told me didn't actually say in the book that these are fake names to protect the innocent or to protect people, that he doesn't want to expose. carson went on to say i would say to the people of america do you think i'm a path logical liar like cnn does or do you think i'm an honest person? what are we supposed to think? >> well, first of all, his story

seems to keep changing about what happened, where it happened. i don't think that matters at the end of the day. i think more importantly you have whether this guy is just a little quirky. whether he has the prem. >> you follow up a story about a stap being now that appear to be inconsistent and then you talk about the pyramids being made by biblical figures even though the boubl never mentions things lick that. and he talks about secular progressives and people who don't believe in god questioning his pyramid theory. well, i'm a southern baptist and i was raised in the southern

baptist church and spent about three or four days in church reading bible and was literally raised in the southern baptist church. i don't believe his theory. it's crazy. in my 50 years in churches, i never heard his theory before. i don't know that the secular progressive attack sticks, mark halperin. there's a lot of quirkiness going on here. does that impact voters any more than some of ronald reagan's statements in 1980 that impacted him. >> i think you framed it right, quirky and inconsistent. can ben carson being this inconsistent and have this many questions raised still be the republican nominee? i think he can be if no one el rises up as a strong challenger.

he's going to have no to the justice that even some of his graduates, that isn't a pattern of trouble with the truth or rarelessness or exand rag. i'm not saying that it does but he's got to reassure people that it doesn't. >> jon, you and i remember bus you're such an old man, such a learned man, we remember some of the things that ronald reagan said in 1976 in his campaign against gary ford and in 1980 against jimmy carter. obviously reagan is my political hero but reagan would go around saying things like trees are the largest emitter of carbon

dioxide on the planet and his critics would love and laugh and they would hang signs around trees wherever reagan went for campaign speeches saying "stop me before i kill again." his supporters did not care. the question is will ben carson's care? >> it's a great question. i think an and and by the tomorrow he delivered the most memorable sweech on behalf of barry gold water, he spent ten years on the road reading human events, which frankly that's where a lot of the facts got into his head. one of the things about reagan

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country and it's all because of meech meacham. when you said you were working on this book and got into a hole for months and months and months -- >> eating cheetos. >> the former president had harsher words for his son's first defense secretary, calling donald rumsfeld an heir gant fellow. are you sure that was the word he used? >> can't you hear dana harvey saying that?

>> true. >> "i don't like what he said." and rumsfeld said bush 41 is getting up in years and misjudges bush 43, who i found made his own decisions. >> how is he doing, and is that response by rumsfeld at all a part of this? >> no, it's not. president bsh -- bush 41 made these comments in interviews starting in 2008, he continued in 2012 and in 2014 i went to him and i told him if you want to add any clarification, i'll

make a note of that and he looked me dead in the eye and said "that's what i said." vice president cheney respond, secretary rumsfeld chose not to reply to me on the record. president bush 43 saw all of this and knew exactly what he was saying. i think a lot of people suspected he thought these things but he maintained a silence for so long. so why would he have taken this moment to talk about it? my own view is as the son's administration was moving into history, bush 41, who does have a deep interest in history getting things right, he kept a tape recorded diary, which i draw on all four years of his presidency, much of his vice

presidency, he cares about history. i think he wanted to make the popt that his son's administration had an overly hawkish image and that the style of swagger was not a style that would wear particularly well. on the substance of the policy, there was much less distinction. he wrote his son a letter saying the man won't comply, you have to do what you have to do. >> joe jump in. >> this goes all the way back into august of 2002, before -- six months before the war began when brent scowcroft, a man who we all know would never speak out of turn about bush 43 unless bush 41 gave the nod, he wait a

minute out six months before the invasion and said don't attack sad am. -- saddam. talk about the split and the divide in the months leading up to the iraq war. >> president bush 41 was dealing with more of a classic balance of power struggle in 1 -- 1990/ '91. one of the most moving moments in the audio diary as president bush is choppering in on marine i to land on the land and say

this will not stand, hoose dictadic -- he's dictating. he said if we don't stop him from going into saudi arabia, we could have another world war. 2002 is a different kind of thing. that's what cheney respond and that's what president bush 43 says about this. they believe they had to project force to change a region and you have in that way it's both a generational and a philosophical difference because the times were different. >> i want to get katty and mark in here. i want to bring in kasie hunt. tell us what jeb bush said to you yesterday about the book. >> reporter: obviously with this book coming out and his family

sort of spilling back out into the lime light, it was impossible for jeb bush not to get pulled into the fray. >> my brother's a big boy. i think my dad like a lot of people that love george want to try to create a different narrative perhaps, just because that's natural to do, right. but george would say this was under my watch, i was commander in chief, i was the leader and i accept personal responsibility for what happened, both the good and the bad and i think that's the right way to look at it. being a bush, would you feel like you were letting your family down if you were to get out of the race? >> that's not a bush trait. it's a blessing when i walk into

this diner, people say i met your dad, i love your mother, your brother did the right thing. maybe there are a couple there, i'm marking them down as neutral, they didn't seem to warm up to the fact that here's another bush showing up. there's more good than bad. >> that's about as reflective as i've seen jeb bush be about his family last night and how this is a blessing and a curse for him in ways that he probably didn't expect. this is a guy whose personality is very different from his brother's, building a political background and history in a place where his family wasn't but it's impossible for him to completely get away, especially with meacham is running around.

>> coming up on "morning joe," a new study is just out with astounding information on how much time teen-agers are spending on videos, tv and the web. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ out of my mind, the one i love have left my side ♪

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it looks like we just got these numbers. the monthly jobs reports just crossed. let go to sara eisen at the new york stock exchange. sara, how's it look? >> very solid jobs report, mika. the month of october, the economy managed create 280,000 jobs. it's also a big improvement from t two mediocre months before. and you guys have been talking about the missing wage growth in this recovery. we're finally starting to see it here a bit. wages rising a little more than 37b9 3%, nine stars on the

month. it is a very good seen on the recovery. the one thing i will say it the question on wall street today is how is the federal reserve going to look at this number. we know they're itching to raise interest rates from rock bottom zero levels be hinting it could come as season as december. this is definitely a solid number, guy. >> steve, apes all those question and beyond. >> look, across the board that it's a good number. so one month does not a year or deck'd make, especially on the wages front be which is very soft. i think the biggest implication

is going to be on the feds where i think you'll find the odd go up well over 50%. >> you know janet yellin was vocal. within fed president yesterday just said yesterday a declean in job growth is part of the recovery. we should expect that we saw a much better number today. it will be interesting to see how that works out. >> i've confused because the rules we've been gfr. >> i was actually speaking with somebody yesterday who suggested we could see 1

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the possibility and how do they decide? >> well, i'd say a quarter of a point. it putting the fed on track to raise rate we have been there ever since the great recession and financial crisis. when you're getting an unemployment rate of 5%, it may not be an unambiguously good recovery in areas of vfr. >> we can because we don't want

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>> nobody plays with sticks. >> get a tire and take a stick and run down the street with it. >> nobody does that crap. it 2012! >> you don't need technology. >> no technology. >> charlotte, put that down. >> oh, my god, that's incredibly perfect. a new study just out from the scene from the 2012 comedy "this is 40" is kind of like where we are now. actually worse. some stunning time about the amount of time american teen-agers are spending on video games, tv and the web. teens spend more time on media than sleeping. joining us from common sense media, which produced the report, it comes out every five years, is this the worst grade ever? >> no, but think about it. nine hours a day on average.

if you say there's no way they're spending nine hours a day, that means they're bringing the bottom average down. they're shaping every kid's lives in our country and we as parents ignore it as all par. >> i think the sbld thing, we're all parents. you got to talk to your kid about it. i think you have to have a very serious conversation about the amount of time spent, what they're doing with it and also multi-tasking. did you guys see the finding on multi-tasking? two out of three teen-agers multi-task because they say it

doesn't affect them. >> i remember doing a piece on this when i was working at cbs so it must have been in the dark ages but this multiple task since you left cbs and came to morning joe. >> i was listening to kid who were doing their homework. they had their box up here and headphones on. om not arguing for it. >> we can't multi-task effectively. you can't pay attention to two things at one and concentrate. some of my colleagues did a study that made it clear that multi-tasking for kid interfered with homework and it has a big

affect on intimacy and relationships. >> how do teachers deal with and cope with situations like this it. >> it's interesting. we have 100,000 member mrs. school. we encourage the smart use of technology. but i'm also a college professor. they tonight m and, therefore, they don't -- >> let's some our kids aren't spending nine hours. what about the parents who don't see the problemwhat are you doing or other organizations doing to try to improve that?

>> the number one thing we're doing is working through schools. so most schools in the united states are common sense schools and we give them a k through 12 curriculum about the safe, responsible, smart use of media. so schools is where you can reach all kid. you can also reach parents through schools because you do parent ed with the schools. parents listen to their principal or miss teacher, they a are. >> the obamas -- >> we all have kids. >> teaching. relationships. >> it is. but the other thing that matters, i think, the technology industry has a huge role to be played here. where are they? >> we need to have you back to talk about that angle.

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disturbing. >> khatty? >> there are not enough candidates on the stage for the debates. >> msnbc live is next. >> the new lineup for next week's gop gathering is not sitting well with some candidates. meanwhile, we're just hours away from tonight's democratic forum but that's not all. take a look. >> tuesday's republican presidential debate is going to look a little different with two candidates bumped down from the main stage. >> i'm going to be debating somebody tuesday night. i don't really care. >> i feel really good about how far we've come and very good about the next