and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd... after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." at this hour, ben carson playing defense. >> people can see through what's going on. they're getting fired up. it's an almost us versus them thing. >> facing new questions regarding claims about his past. we'll bring you reaction. they don't have my talent, money or especially my good looks. but you know what? they're not bad.

>> donald trump, the controversy and the comedy. did either amount to much? a look at what he is saying today. spectacular and mysterious, at least until the government stepped in to explain this moment captured on video. not so smart car. why this carmaker is on a list of companies that could disappear in the next year. details in today's number ones. developing now, some new information in the crash of a russian airliner that's kills 224 people. the fbi is joining the investigation amid new reports about problems with the airport baggage scanning machine. new reaction today from u.s. lawmakers about how serious the threat is from isis. >> all these officials i've talked to, i think everybody is very much pointing to the fact this is an isis-related attack. the bomb put on the airplane. the question is how did the bomb

get put on the airplane? there's a lot of theory this could have been an inside job at the airport to put the luggage in the whole of the aircraft. >> bill neely joining me from sharm el sheikh. what's the latest with the investigation? >> good afternoon, alex. the very latest is that one member of the multinational investigating team has told a reuters news agency that the investigators are now 90% sure that the noise that was heard on that cockpit voice recorder was from a bomb. that's not confirmed by nbc news. he is an egyptian member of the team and the egyptian government through one of their ministerial spokesmen says that is pure rumor. so we don't have that confirmed. obviously, that's unofficial. the search is for proof, for facts, for evidence. and those investigators will now be looking at fractions of a

second. that sound wave which lasted -- we don't know how long it lasts, and they'll do spectrum analysis on that. they'll be looking at the sound wave to see if the pattern of that wave does match either an explosion caused by a bomb or something else, a mechanical failure or technical fault. the very latest, alex, is that the fbi is now getting involved. it's not unusual for the fbi to be asked to help in a disaster. it is unusual for the russians to ask. the fbi has said yes, though a spokesman said its role will be modest. russian teams have taken away 15 sacks of sand from the site and, according to egypt, human remains for analysis. they are looking for evidence of a bomb. >> the number one most important thing is testing the residue of this airliner to see whether there's any kind of traces of explosive. >> reporter: investigators now know that time after takeoff

when disaster struck. >> 43 minutes and 14 seconds. >> at that moment on the cockpit voice recorder, the cdr, something extraordinary. >> a noise was heard in the last second of the cdr recording. >> reporter: every fraction of that sudden noise will now be analyzed and compared with the sound of other crashes. investigators have found the plane's auto pilot was on, suggesting the crew felt everything was normal until that moment. some parts of the wreckage are still missing. they suggested that even a passenger's lithium batteries could have caused this. they're also examining reports a baggage scanning machine was often broken, that's baggage handlers weren't monitored and deliveries to the airport weren't properly searched. 11,000 russian tourists have now been evacuated from the airport in one day. it will take nearly a week to get them all out. in st. petersburg where most of

the victims were from, the church bells tolled once for every victim, 224 times. and this afternoon, the president of one of the world's biggest airlines, emirates, said if it is proved to have been a bomb, that will be a game changer for the industry. the search for that missing part goes on. bad weather has been hampering the search. it is day eight. we have new clues, but so far, no solid results. alex? >> as a result, the investigation continues. thank you, bill neely. the u.s. lawmaker calling for more action against isis and why she's calling this crash a wake-up call not just for russia but for the u.s. as well. let's go to politics and ben carson playing offense and defense as his life stories get closer scrutiny. in an interview with chris jansung, he gave his take on what he thinks is driving the

controversy. >> so what do you think is going on? why you? >> because i'm a threat. >> to? >> to the progressives, the progressive movement in this country. i'm a very big threat because they can look at the tolling data, and they can see i'm the candidate who is most likely to be able to beat hillary clinton. >> in just a moment, reaction to how these biography questions may affect carson and his campaign going forward. meanwhile, donald trump making the rounds on sunday talk shows less than 24 hours after hosting "saturday night live" and imagining what a trump presidency would look like. >> in two years, you've really made america great again. >> see, i told you, it's more than just words and a silly head. >> first lady milania is 100% correct. >> i admit. i didn't think it could happen this quick. everyone loves the new laws you tweeted. >> his appearance on "saturday

night live" comes before the next republican debate on tuesday and at a time when recent polls show him neck and neck with dr. ben carson. joining me is jeremy peterss for "the new york times." good to see you again. let's gauge this impact with trump's appearance on "snl." does it register in any significant way? >> i was trying to think about this and why i felt it didn't quite work. something a little off about the humor. i think that's because the "snl" paroddy version of trump and the actual trump are not that far apart. when it comes down to it maybe the actors are a little funnier. trump is a performer. he's a character. and trying to make him into something else is just not really going to work. >> i kind of agree with you. it fell a little flat, although there were some funny parts. his dancing in the drake video. that was pretty good. let's go now to ben carson because here's his response to

chris jansing when asked, what is fair game when it comes to vetting a candidate? >> fair game would be some type of criminal activity, some type of a scandal, something that has been detrimental to society. those -- and we have plenty of those kind of things going on. >> what's your assessment of this controversy. how long might it last? is he right in any respect or is all this scrutiny fair game? >> i think he is completely wrong when he says that he has never -- that no other candidate has ever been subject to the vetting and scrutiny he has. that's flat out wrong. it may feel that way if you've never run for president before or never been in a national presidential race in your life that this is a world first, this intrusive kind of colonoscopy-type process these candidate goes through. but the fact is, i think that

it's going to not gain as much traction until there is a moment we can point to to say, okay, he clearly lied about this. this did not happen. but until then, all you have are reports that say, well, we interview people from 50 years ago, and they don't remember it happening. when it comes down to ben carson saying, yes, it happened, and people saying, well, news reports from the quote/unquote liberal media saying we can't find anyone who claims this happened, i think ben carson wins that argument with his base. >> you'll expect him to face questions about his past in tuesday's debate. how much might these questions being raised hurt his credible ut. he's not an elected politician. he doesn't have a past record to run on. it's all about his life story, his biography and his seeming trustworthiness. >> it's all in how he responds to it. if you look, he's getting more and more rattled, more and more intemperate in his responses.

that plays for a little while. if he goes on the debate stage and acts irrasable and cranky, i don't think it's going to work for him like bernie sanders. that's not who ben carson is. he's been able to sell himself as this calm persona, someone an almost anti-donald trump in attitude. when you start seeing him get angry, some of his appeal melts away. >> okay. let's go to marco rubio's financial history. you write about it in today's "new york times," about his use of the republican party credit card to pay for personal expenses when he was a florida lawmaker. how much leverage do his rivals like jeb bush and donald trump have on this issue considering that rubio personally paud for those when he received the credit card statements. >> that's exactly right. he did pay for all of these. and no one has yet been able to uncover any evidence he was trying to pass off personal expenses as work related expenses. until you have that smoking gun,

and i don't think there's any reason to believe it exists, it's going to be very hard to look like he did anything improper. the second question, though, is how this kind of feeds into the image that jeb bush, donald trump and others are going to try to paint of rubio as irresponsible and too immature to be president. if he can't handle his own personal finances, how is he going to be able to run the country? i don't think that argument is necessarily as damning as other arguments they could make against him. raising questions about his career in politics. let's not forget, marco rubio is a career politician. he's been in politics since his early 20s. there are ways to undermine this narrative as the empathetic every man that will be much more effective if they choose to go after him that way. >> let's look ahead to tuesday. how critical is it for someone like jeb bush to finally put in a strong performance? is there anyone whose campaign will likely end after tuesday

night without a stellar showing? >> i think rand paul and carly fiorina are really on the bubble here. having barely made this debate in terms of polling. carly had that surge after the last debate and we didn't really see or hear much from her after that. rand paul, of course, started out as a front-runner a year ago and then his campaign pretty much, the air came out of the balloon. but as you say, this is jeb bush's night. this is his debate to shine. i don't know that he can do that by doing what a lot of people think he's going to do, which is attack rubio. it didn't work last time. i get the sense in talking to bush people that they don't think it's going to be particularly effective for him to go for the jugular with marco again. what does he do? he has to look like the competent adult in the room. if he can turn in that kind of

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one second of noise could be the key to solving what made a russian airliner crash in the sinai peninsula. the noise was heard on the cockpit voice recorder and it's leading to more speculation that an explosion, possibly a bomb, broke that plane apart in midair. u.s. officials tell nbc news intelligence intercepts between isis forces in sinai and isis leadership in syria show the group celebrated news of the

crash. today the possibility of isis involvement has some u.s. lawmakers calling for action. >> the time has come for us also to begin to develop a joint strategy. >> you hope this is a wake-up call to putin? >> i hope it's a wake-up call to putin and to some extent a wake-up call to us. i have said before, and i really believe that we will fight them now or we will fight them later. it's only a question of time. >> let's bring in steve clemens, washington editor at large at the atlantic and msnbc contributor. good morning. or good afternoon. what do you think about senator feinstein's ars certion? is she suggesting the administration needs to get moving, or is already late? is she indicting obama administration policy at all? >> dianne feinstein for a long time has been worried about the technological sophistication of terror groups. i had a talk with her last summer where she was talking

about something that wasn't classified but wasn't often talked about. they were often able to put bombs in things luke printer cartridges and begin moving nefarious means in more common objects and worried we weren't up to the game. this was not a u.s. airport or not u.s. inspection. and u.s. airports have many, many layers of defense built in that aren't as porous as people would think that it's not all human. when you're in sharm el sheikh in many airports around the world, that's not the case. dianne feinstein has been worried about that. and the battlefield with isis just got bigger. we're not in iraq and syria. we're in other parts of the world. >> has the president been worried enough about that? is that what dianne feinstein is implying? >> she knows homeland security and others have been worried but that feelingtension in the united states has relaxed. we're not as vigilant as we were after 9/11 and the years after

that and there's a concern that others out there, particularly with new forms of technology and the ability to bribe or seduce or blackmail people into cooperating in various places around the country can come back and hurt u.s. interests and u.s. citizens. there's a vigilance that di yap feinstein has been saying and critiquing. what's sad about this bomb, and i'm of those that have been feeling that this has been likely a bomb for a while, is it's going to force us back into a much more tense escalation of a high fear architecture in travel inspections and being much more worried about a certain kind of person in the world. yeah, she's critiquing that. but it's going to be something we're going to be tilting into. >> to avoid complacency, we here in new york are barraged with the see something, say something. it can't be said enough. we see it everywhere. if isis down eed this russian

plane, how much of a game changer is it in this fight against the terror group? >> we'll say publicly it's not much of a change, that we're secure at home but we'll ratchet up more and more security and put more eyeballs and thinking into how -- what vulnerabilities we have in foreign travel. we'll be looking at cargo and other sorts of nontransport ways in which isis is able -- isis or its affiliates are automobible penetrate other forms of transportation. we'll have to look more of the global look of isis affiliates beyond isis in iraq and that this broadens the battlefield significantly. and the fact this is targeting both russia and the united states, two major global strategic players. dianne may be right. we need to coordinate and communicate with them in a way that may not be comfortable. this is a game changer at least

with substantial increments of a policy and making us consider isis in a much more lethally potent way than we were before. >> the u.s. will be stepping up air strikes in syria. even as we plan to increase activity, there are reports the arab allies are pulling back their forces. "the new york times" reporting arab allies with great fanfare. they set their war planes on missions. they've pretty much vanished from the campaign. >> you and i discussed that a dozen times. look what the saudis put together in breathtaking speed in yemen and the allies peel off and gulf allies peel off in the fight against isis. >> saudi, the uae, they're all going to yemen. >> part of that barrage in the first shock and awe campaign against isis. that was about it. the notion that these western or russian or french or british or american troops are going to fundamentally put this devil back in a box in the middle east

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a new message this morning from israeli prime minister benjamin 98 benjamin netanyahu just a day before he meets with president obama. it will center on recent events in the middle east including syria, possible progress with the palestinians and strengthening the security of the state of israel. nbc's ron allen is at the white house with us. what does the white house expect from this visit? >> well, it's always interesting, alex, when prime minister netanyahu comes to town. he and president obama have had such a, shall we say, difficult personal relationship. and that difficulty got really

intense during a debate about the iranian nuclear deal with the israelis oppose. now that deal, of course, is in place. there will be discussions about that. we'll see if they try to mend fences. the israelis will be concerned about how that deal will be implemented. also the security arrangement between the israelis and the united states which amounts to some $3 billion in aid every year. that agreement is up for renegotiation now, and the israelis are expecting that number will increase from $3 billion to as much as $4 billion or $5 billion over many years to come. something the united states wants to lock in as well because they insist the security arrangements between the united states and israel have never been stronger or more effective. this is something president obama wants to do before he leaves office. also peace talks between the israelis and palestinians which absolutely have gone nowhere. and earlier, well, last week,

there was a briefing by a number of administration officials who said they have decided -- the president has decided that there is no way now that there can be a peace deal between the israelis and palestinians, no two-state solution before the president leaves office, which is a fairly monumental statement when you consider there have been so many previous administrations that have tried to bring peace between these two groups. and it's not going to happen before president obama leaves office. so a very busy agenda. an intense agenda. everyone will be watch see how mr. netanyahu and president obama get along. >> israelis, palestinians have been involved in a number of small-scale but fatal attacks recently. the u.s., we're bearing down in the fight against isis. the possibility an isis bomb brought down the russian airliner. do you think terror, that agenda will be likely to dominate? >> terror is always on the agenda. it's the israelis number one

concern, arguably. all of this is happening in syria and the sinai, which are the neighborhood that the israelis live in and try to exist in. and they see iran in particular, of course, as a very, very intense, very severe threat. yes, there will be discussions about what's going on in syria, what's happened in the sinai with that plane, whether it was a bomb. a wide ranging agenda. a lot of attention on the personal dynamic between the two leaders. >> ron allen, thank you. howard dean, form eer vermo governor and robert tranham. good to see you both. governor, before i get to the day's political news, i want to ask you about the obama/netanyahu meeting tomorrow. what is the top angle from both sides? >> that's a very good question. my guess is that both -- it's in both sides' interest to try to patch up a relationship which

has been incredibly difficult for the time both of them have been in office with each other. i can't imagine much progress. netanyahu has always been focused on his own political future in israel. and i think the president, rightly, believes there's not much possibility of peace as long as netanyahu is in office. >> well, there's that. robert, i want to turn to the controversy over ben carson's past. how concerned are you that what some are calling misrepresentation by him could damage his candidacy. is he handling this the right way? he's essentially blaming the media for everything. >> i'm very concerned about this. this goes back to judgment. it also goes back to trustworthiness. obviously, dr. carson has had trouble with both. particularly, you remember whether or not you get accepted to college or not. that's one of the most pivotal moments in your life and if someone else is going to pay for it. this has been a critical part of his story.

he's weaved it all throughout his speeches and his book. i remember being in college and being so inspired by this man and reading "by gifted hands" back in 1997 or '98 and so inspired by his story. and again, now west point has come out and said they have no knowledge of him applying. to get back to your original question, this is a big deal. the reason it's a big deal is because if you kind of fudge the small stuff, i.e., getting accepted to college, what makes you think you'll fudge the big stuff? a lot of people are scratching their heads saying just tell the truth. your story is so compelling in its own right. why make up some of the stuff about anger management and throwing a brick and so forth? why make up the stories about getting accepted to west point or not? >> can i just say if you are a high school senior, all you are thinking about is getting accepted to college. the small stuff? not for them. governor, i want to talk about dr. carson's word, saying he's

being more severely scrutinized. obviously your candidate, hillary clinton, and you as well have been critical of all the scrutiny she's received over benghazi. any parallels to be drawn here? do you think the media should back off carson on this? >> first of all, in this case, i really don't think i can comment too much on republican politics. i've been wrong about everything i've guess td this year on the republican side. i've never seen anything like this. so who knows? i thought donald trump's candidacy was dead about eight times between when he started and now. usually what dr. carson is in the middle of is fatal. if you get caught not telling the truth, that's a bad thing. but this year is so crazy, i don't know what to make of this and i defer to robert. >> you know what robert is going to say so i'm punting it back to you. do you think the media should back off? i'm using the analogy of benghazi. said many times and that's been echoed by many of her

supporters, is it too much? is it too much on ben carson? >> it depends what's there. if they have evidence he wasn't telling the truth, then that's fair game. they didn't have any evidence that hillary clinton wasn't telling the truth and it took them about eight months to figure it out. if it hadn't been for represe representative mccarthy, who knows when that would have stopped. so every case is different. i don't know what to make of ben c carson. i don't know ben carson, although he was two years behind me at yale. it's hard to judge this one. it really is. i'm bewildered by what's going on on the other side this time. >> robert, aside from his past coming into question, insiders on both sides are telling politico that carson can't win. it's because of his lack of policy depth. he's never been an elected official. he's running on his life story and his accomplishments. do you agree with that

assessment? what are you hearing about his ability to win? >> let me be overly granular. depends by what you mean by winning? winning the general election? i'm not sure. winning the iowa caucuses, probably. you take a look at these individual races out there and the map, there's a very good chance that ben carson could win iowa. here's why. iowa has a large evangelical base and michele bachmann and some of the other hard right social conservatives have won that state in the past or have come very close in 2008 and 2012. then transition into new hampshire and south carolina and the question becomes whether or not dr. carson can win there. i'm not exactly sure. it's a two-part question. can he win iowa? yes, i think he can. can he win the nomination to become the republican nominee? i don't think so. >> howard, here's what ben carson told chris jansing about what he thinks will help him win. >> what do you think you have to differentiate yourself from them on the issues?

>> i think all i have to do is be myself. i'm not a politician. i don't think like a politician. i think like be yourself, tell the truth and, really, it's considerably less stressful than trying to work on some political map, to be honest with you. >> not being a politician, howard. is this what's resonate with voters? >> it does resonate, and it has resonated. the problem is you get closer to the election itself, people have to see you in order to cast their ballot for you as someone they can imagine sitting in the white house. i don't think many people on that side, certainly not in the leadership of that polling -- i don't think they fit that bill right now. i think somebody is going to come in who the voters can see as the next president of the united states. that's who wins primaries and caucuses. >> i want to talk to you, robert, about the criticism dr. carson is getting from many in the black community who feel like he's trying to pander to the white voters.

does he talk too much about pulling one's self up by his or her boot straps while ignoring institutionalized racism? >> well, no and no. it's his story. although we have to question whether or not his story is authentic or not. the reality is he did pull himself up by the boot straps. that part we know. he grew up in a very poor area of detroit and his mom worked one or two jobs to put him through the adolescent years of his life. that's okay. that's his story. no matter whether you are black or whether you are asian or white, he has the right to tell his story the way he thinks it should be told. the second part of your question is, i always bristle every time we have this conversation, we being the american people, on whether or not you're black enough or gay enough or whether or not you're representing the community. what about representing yourself? what about also being authentic to your true story. yes, he does have a responsibility to make sure that he speaks to people like him and also by me. he also has the responsibility to listen to his own conscience

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professor at the university of texas and msnbc contributor. this will be fun to go through this. i want your reaction overall to trump's appearance. >> i was looking forward to it being a little more exciting, a little more fun. earlier in the show you said it was flat, and i agree with that overall assessment of it. but i really did enjoy the skit where the president of mexico comes and gives the check to trump because it's just such an incredibly outlandish proposition that mexico would do that. and i think the fact that he's pointing fun of that just highlights that. >> so then how seriously should we take him on immigration? is he just saying these things for publicity? >> i do think he is saying it for publicity. but what worries me, alex, is that he's pulling the tenor of the immigration debate further and furth ir to the right. we're not going to deport everybody. we're not going to build a wall.

those things are just not going to happen. but what we are seeing is the likelihood of comprehensive immigration reform becoming much more distant. it was just two years ago the gang of eight passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill in the senate, and it looked like something was going to happen. and now because of the rhetoric we've seen in this presidential election so far, it looks like it's worlds away. that's the biggest effect that trump has done is the trenor and rehetoric of framing immigratio in such a way. >> he keeps saying he's going to win the latino vote. where does the truth lie? >> let's just look at the polls. and when we look at the polls, we see latinos are overwhelmingly opposed to donald trump but more specifically, is because they see comprehensive immigration reform as one of their top issues. there's going to be a latino decisions survey released this week, and i would not be

surprised if again we see a third or at least half of latinos saying immigration is their top issue and that that's going to be a driving force in not just turning them out to vote but in who they are going to choose for the white house. >> okay. on that, though, i want to say because you're based in texas. that's a state with almost a 40% latino population. houston. a mexican american candidate just lost the race for mayor there. if that can happen in a state with such a strong hispanic population, are we at all overestimating the loyalty of the latino vote? >> i think with the adrian garcia case in houston, more than loyalty, it's turnout. it is no secret that latinos have the lowest turnout. they lag behind african-americans and whites. what happened in houston is bad news but it's not damning. there were a couple of contextual specifics. first of all, we had sylvester turner, who is a very popular african-american state

legislator running. the front-runner. and the african-american community is very good about turning out to vote. also because there was a houston equal rights ordinance on the ballot, that mobilized more conservative republicans in the houston area who don't traditionally turn out for municipal races but they turned out because of that amendment. and also adrian garcia was the sheriff in houston, and there had been a lot of issues surrounding prisons in houston and some of his time as sheriff. latinos got to step it up in terms of turnout, but in terms of houston, we can't just look at this case and say latinos are done for. >> well, of course, we'd never say that. vctsorria, thank you. the birth control mandate in the affordable care act is causing some controversy. why scotus is getting involved. your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage.

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facing a new challenge. it comes from a group of religious non-profits which dispute the controversial birth control mandate. they say they shouldn't have to offer no-cost contraception to their employees because it clashes with their beliefs. the case itself, what are the religious groups arguing? >> so the government has regulations that require them to provide their female employees with health insurance that includes access to birth control. the government has also created an accommodation for groups like the little sisters of the poor and the other plaintiffs in these cases that allows them to send the government a form or letter and that will ensure that their female employees get health insurance through the insurer but without the

non-profit groups actually having to provide it. and the argument in this case is even actually sending in the form or the letter to the government saying that you object to the birth control mandate triggers the coverage nvd, therefore, makes them effectively complicit in providing birth control to their female employees which they say violates their religious beliefs. >> a lot of this challenge rests on legislation from 1993. how does that specifically come into play here? >> so what the religious freedom restoration act says if if there's a government policy or practice as with the accommodation that imposes a substantial burden, it's going to be invalid unless the government can show it has a compelling interest in the requirement. it's using the least restrictive means of eaching that goal. this is really going to center it for the most part around the idea of the least restrictive

means. the supreme court a couple of years ago in burwell versus hobby lobby that also involved the birth control mandate. what the argument is going to be here by the religious non-profits is the government doesn't have to make them sign the form, and sort of effectively hijack their health insurance plans. if the government wants these women to have access to health insurance that includes these certain forms of birth control, the government has other ways to do it. like providing the births control itself or having the women shop for health insurance on these health insurance exchanges. >> it's saying specifically the government should not substantially burden religious exercise but how do they decide what is substantial burden? >> that's a good question. the supreme court two years ago in the hobby lobby case said that this was an objective by a religiously devout family that owned a for-profit company and

didn't want to be complicit in providing their female employees with health insurance. and what the government said there is it's enough that these families believe that providing this access to birth control will violate their sincerely held religious beliefs, and that they will have to pay a penalty. that's enough. we're not going to look at whether or not we think it's reasonable. >> all right. well, the discussion is planned for late march. we'll have you back then, if not before then. amy, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. in our next hour, everything you wanted to know about the white house rejection of the keystone xl pipeline but were afraid to ask.

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enrique. >> i brought you the check for the wall. >> off the wall. donald trump's wall becomes a "saturday night live" joke, but did it only taunt and aggravate latino protesters. the keystone pipeline. president obama has killed it, but has it really reached a dead end? hey there everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." now here's what's happening out there. politics and donald trump making the rounds on sunday talk shows less than 24 hours after hosting "saturday night live" and imagining what a trump presidency would look like. >> in two years, you really made america great again. >> see? i told you. it's more than just words and a silly head. >> first lady milania is 100% correct. >> i've got to admit, i didn't think it could happen this fast.

everyone loves the new laws you tweeted. >> terrific. just terrific. >> ratings for the show were the best since 2012. trump's appearance came shortly before the next republican debate on tuesday and at a time when recent polls show him neck and neck with ben carson. meanwhile, ben carson is playing offense and defense as his life stories get closer scrutiny. in an interview with chris jansing, he gave his take on what he thinks is driving the controversy. hey there, chris. >> hi, alex. ben carson is learning with front-runner status comes a lot of scrutiny. in particular about his rise from the inner city to the top of the medical world. a story key to his popularity. but as stories about those biographical details pile up, so does the cash. his campaign raised $3.5 million. he says he has the media to think. >> the people are seeing through

exactly what's going on and they are getting fired up. almost an us versus them thing. >> reporter: carson criticized reporting into whether he was offered a scholarship to west point. into his redemption story and violence in his youth. and the latest from "the wall street journal." it looks into carson's assertion that during a riot at his high school in 1968, he protected a few white students from the attacks by hiding them. a dramatic account of courage and kindness. but his story couldn't be confirmed in interviews with a half dozen of his classmates and physics teachers. >> why would they know about that unless they were one of the students? >> so it doesn't surprise you that no one in any of these stories has come forward? >> or maybe one of those students will come forward. >> carson calls all this scrutiny a witch hunt. unlike anything any other person has faced. >> i have not seen that with anyone else. not even close. >> so what do you think is going on? why you? >> because i'm a threat.

>> a big threat he says to hillary clinton and the secular progressive movement. along with all the new scrutiny comes abigger press corps. one has a foetso spread describing the maryland home as a temple to himself, including a painting of the candidate with jesus. ben carson expects a lot more questions and he'll get some of them tuesday at the next republican debate. he told me he's scheduled just a half a day of prep, adding life is preparation. just another way that this is an unconventional candidacy. >> thank you, chris jansing. joining me is betty woodrun for the daily beast and jonathan allen. good day. thanks for joining me. b betsy, what's your assessment of the controversy and how long will it last? >> it's complicated. this tends to only happen to ben carson, not only because he's drawn under scrutiny but also

because some of these details are fuzzy in a way that details in other candidates memoirs aren't. it doesn't mean that carson fabricated these components. and to be fair here, he's not wrong when he says he's a threat. the real clear politics polling average has him just less than 1 percentage point behind donald trump in the front-runner contest with more than twice as much support as marco rubio. these questions and scrutiny probably aren't going anywhere too soon. >> also he doesn't have a political record on which to be scrutinized. it's all about his life story. >> yeah, i think absolutely, without a doubt. he's running on his narrative, who he is as a person. people knew him because of this improbable and fascinating and in many ways quite inspiring rise. however, what's strikes me is that there's so much of a focus on his narrative and so little of a focus on some of his policy

comments. "the washington post" pointed out carson recently said half the money medicare and medicaid disperse is under fraudulent pretenses. that's off base. you'd expect reporters to ask more questions about particular nuts and bolts of policy,s and that's not happening, which is a little curious. >> let's listen to what ben carson told chris jansing about what is fair game when it comes to vetting a candidate. >> fair game would be some type of criminal activity. some type of a scandal. something that has been detrimental to society. those -- and we have plenty of those kind of things going on. >> is he right, jonathan, or is all of this scrutiny fair game? >> i think all of this scrutiny is fair game. we see this with all of the candidates. all of their biographies have been looked through. particularly because carson has made such a big deal about his

personal narrative. he doesn't have a record to look back at. betsy is absolutely right. if you go in and look at the policies he's proposing, there are some issues there, too. becky quick of cnbc, the sister station here, asked some questions about the budget at the last debate and carson wasn't able really to discuss those in any detail. he said that basically his plan would bring in $2.7 trillion in revenue which is close to $3.5 trillion in revenue. the closer budget is closer to $4 trillion. the difference between that is $800 billion a year. even if people were focusing just on what carson was saying policy wise, a lot of it doesn't add up. >> betty, aside from his past coming into question, insiders on both sides are telling politico that carson can't win. many say it's because of his lack of policy depth. are you hearing anything along those lines? >> that's a widespread concern. polls that indicate he'd be

competitive are extremely premature. one of the top carson statements is about how he made statements about how joseph built the pyramids to store grain. carson says things like this totally divorced from historic reality that aren't part of the christian religious tradition and aren't a big part of what his church actually teaches as dogma. he just says this stuff. it's baffling and perplexing and could make him a tough sell. >> you might expect carson to face questions over his past in tuesday's debate. how might these questions, just the fact they're being raised, hurt his credibility. one of his strengths has been it's the biography and seeming trustworthiness. and competency as a physician, a neurosurgeon. >> the issue for carson, frankly because it's such a crowded field, he has to find a way to break out of the original base he has. we've seen him rise some in the polls. still that ceiling for him and trump where neither of them has

really broken out of that 25% range. for him to get new people on board, i think there's a difficult challenge there. if people suspect what he's saying or says in the past isn't true, that's a bigger challenge. he's doing what's correct in a republican pli marry right now which is attacking the media for looking into it. the basic question of whether he was accepted to west point, appears that's didn't happen, you know, sort of set that aside. it's not unbelievable that west point would have wanted him. there's a much easier way to have told the story in his autobiography than the way he did. he's going to have to get sharper as a candidate and get tighter to the narrative that's true. otherwise people won't believe him and it will be harder for him to win. >> let's look back at last night, "snl." did it shake up things or register in any significant way? >> it's plausible it did. the fact it got really big ratings. >> huge. >> yeah, huge.

the biggest of all time. that undergirds one of the premises of his candidacy. people just love him. that said, the reviews of the episode, and i share this view, were that it wasn't actually that funny. besides the part where he was dancing to the drake song. >> i agree. that was the best part. that was very funny. it was good. >> besides that, though -- >> here was another part okay. envisioning what a trump presidency would look like. let's take a look at that. >> mr. president, the president of mexico is here to see you. >> that to great. send him in. >> donald. >> enrique. >> i brought you the check for the wall. >> that's so wonderful. this is far too much money. >> no, i insist. consider it an apology for doubting you. as history shows us, nothing brings two countries together luke a wall. >> considering latino groups were marching outside here at 30

rock trying to protest his appearance hosting "snl," is he further damaging the republican chances for the white house by putting together even this comedic material? >> i think the underlying policy questions are much more of a problem for him than joking about it on "snl." obviously that's not going to help him to make fun of his own policies. obviously, the joke being that a wall is not going to bring the two countries together. trump will have a huge problem with republican latinos and in the general election to get here with the broader set. he's turned off a large group of people. it's a constituency the republicans need to do well with. and i think that's a major concern for the republican party with trump. >> jonathan allen and betsy, thank you so much. developing now, new information in the crash of a russian airliner that's kills 224 people. the fbi is joining the vis

investigation of last saturday's report amid reports of problems with the baggage scanning machine. russian emergency workers paused from their grim task to pay trubute to the victims of the crash. bill neely is joining us from sharm el sheikh. with a welcome, i understand there are supports suggesting a more definitive cause, even from those close to the investigation. what are you hearing? >> good afternoon, alex. this is coming from an egyptian member of the multinational investigating team who spoke to the reuters news agency. and he said that the investigators are now 90% sure that the sound heard on the cockpit voice recorder does come from a bomb. and he says that's from preliminary analysis of the sound waves on that machine. now that has not been confirmed by nbc news, and the egyptian

government has said that's a rumor. clearly this investigation is in a sense coming down to fractions of a second. that final second on the cvr, the cockpit voice recorder, and it will be the analysis of the sound waves that will prove whether this was a bomb or mechanical failure. now the fbi is joining the investigation. it's not unusual for it to be asked to join during a disaster. it is unusual for it to be asked to join by the russians, and the fbi has said it will do so. it's telling nbc news its role will be relatively modest. a lot of the focus is on the airport here in sharm el sheikh and on security lapses, including at one baggage handling machine. a screening machine, which it's being said is intermittently faulty. and we've heard from a source at the airport that that may well be the case and that it is not an up-to-date machine.

also questions about the workers and whether they were screened properly. one president of -- one of the world's biggest airlines, emirates, says if it is proved to have been a bomb, that's a game changer for the airline industry. meanwhile in st. petersburg, where most of the victims were from, this was a day of memorials. the bells of st. petersburg cathedral tolling 224 times for each one of the victims. it's day eight here, alex. no new clues particularly. and certainly no solid answers to the big question, was this a bomb or not? back to you. >> all right. bill neely, thanks so much from sharmle schalk. at the university of missouri, football players were staging a protest. they are refusing to play ball until the resignation of the university system president tim wolf. it's the latest in a string of demonstrations over wolf's response to racially charged campus incidents.

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funeral arrangements are under way for the 6-year-old autistic boy fatally shot in louisiana last week. gabe gutierrez is in marksville with the very latest. gabe, good sunday to you. we still doint don't know what prompted the shoot, right? >> that's exactly right. that's what many people in this small town are wondering.

we did speak with a source at the pool hall where the boy's father was at. the source says that father got into an argument with his girlfriend outside the bar and that they left in separate vehicles and someone called 911. exactly what happened next, exactly what led to that shooting is still unclear. now we're hearing more about this young life cut short. this morning friends and family are remembering 6-year-old jeremy martis. >> heart wrenching. your heart is burning because you're -- you don't know how to feel. >> reporter: miranda was his babysitter for about four years. he was autistic and full of life. >> he was the best kid you could ever think of having around you for a child to be so loving. it was just amazing and the most wonderful feeling you could have ever experienced. >> reporter: on tuesday night, jeremy was buckled into the front seat of his father's suv when he was shot five times and killed following a police chase

in central louisiana. >> this is a wounded community. this is a wounded family out there. >> reporter: officers derek staffer and norris greenhouse jr. have been arrested and are facing charges of second-degree murder and attempted murder. the boy's father was injured during the shooting and remains hospitalized in serious condition. stafford and greenhouse work for the marksville police department, but that night they'd been working side jobs for the city marshals office. investigators won't reveal what led to the pursuit or what triggered the shooting. initially the local coroner said the officers had been serving a warrant. state police now say that wasn't the case. there was no exchange of gunfire, they say, and no weapon was found inside few's suv. video from an officer's body camera has not been released publicly, but the has of the louisiana state police call it extremely disturbing and says it led to the arrests. >> complex case. it's got a lot of moving parts.

>> reporter: they expect to have more forensic reports by midweek. jeremy and his father moved to louisiana within the past year. jeremy's visitation is now scheduled for later today, and his funeral is set for tomorrow, alex. >> just heartbreaking. gabe gutierrez, thank you. let's go to politics now. gop presidential candidates are gir gearing up for tuesday's debought, including jeb bush. here's what he told casey hunt. >> we've got 8 more debates. i'm going to have to do what other candidates do. rudely interrupt, not answer the questions asked and hopefully theerators will ask more substantive questions. >> joining me the former lieutenant of virginia. welcome, sir. thank you for joining me. >> good afternoon. >> jeb bush has now participated in three debates. by most accounts, he has

underperformed. this from the one-time expected front-runner. how confident are you that he can turn it around, and how does he do that? >> well, i think jeb is a very experienced politician. he's a consistent, common sense conservative. i'm sure with his focus on the necessity to have a good performance in the debate that he'll be well prepared for the one coming up. >> do you have any concerns as to what might happen if he does not perform better? are there any inside rumblings of a campaign suspension? we certainly don't hear it from the candidate but anybody concerned about that on the inside? >> not at all. we're tending to business here in virginia. we've gathered the petitions to qualify for the ballot on march the 1st. we're working on endorsements and certainly we work to support republican candidates that ran last tuesday in the statewide elections. you know, it's still 365 days

before the election next november. and this is a marathon, not a sprint. and a lot is going to happen between now and even next march 1st when virginia has its primary. so i think jeb's got plenty of time to right the ship and he's certainly doing hard work to make that happen. >> there's a long time to go yet. i want to play this exchange between jeb bush and marco rubio from the last debate. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. you should be showing up to work. the senate, what is it, like a french workweek? you get like three days to work? >> you know how many votes that john mccain missed? i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone

has convinced you attacking me is going to help you. >> did he seem comfortable to you? do you think his advisers push him out of his comfort zone? >> i think -- i honestly don't know the true answer but i think your last analysis there is spot on. >> okay. the comfort zone there is something that needs to be better defined. how about your interpretation of jeb bush. is this the same jeb bush who won two terms as florida governor? are some people close to him at all asking that question? are you? because he was a very popular floridian governor and did a great job winning those two campaigns. >> well, absolutely. he served as florida governor for eight years. had a great track record of accomplishment. and he's also a businessman. he's done quite a bit in development business and international affairs and he's so well qualified. and i just think he's finding his bearing as he goes forward. we've got a terrific field of

candidates running for president. and it's a very competitive process. and i have confidence in jeb's ability to be there at the right time. >> how long do you think he has, though? realistically, you said it's a year. certainly it is. you talk about what's happening in your state in march. but at what point is he going to have to improve in a noticeable and palpable and measurable way? >> well, obviously, to be competitive, you've got to improve. i totally agree that that needs to happen. but if you look at the calendar, all of the caucuses and primaries prior to march 15th of next year, the delegates are proportionatesly allocated. it's only after march 15th -- 14th, i think it is, when it's winner take all. and so, you know, we could go a long time with a scattering of

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>> well, of course intelligence is a component of the entire investigation. what we've heard from uk and u.s. authorities thus far is that they've picked up what appears to be signals intelligence. interceptions of communications, whether mobile devices, intercept connected devices that indicate that isis had some involvement or was aware of what occurred here. that's one piece of the investigation. one of the key points will be the physical evidence. not just the black boxes and what you can pick up from what occurred on the flight but actually going through piece by piece the actual wreckage looking for signs of an explosion, including timing devices and explosive residue. that's the key piece here for me. >> the egyptian foreign minister criticized a failure by unnamed countries to share intelligence relating to the crash with egypt. does this surprise you? isn't everyone on the same page when it comes to an incident like this? >> when we're talking about

terrorism, why are on the same page and isis is a common enemy for all the nations involved. the russians, egyptians, brits and united states, of course. in my experience, any information or intelligence that's collected in advance of an attack would certainly be shared. those nations, while having periodically differences in opinion on certain things, when it comes to sharing intelligence as it relates to a terrorist attack, to me, that is always a common theme and something that's done in the best of ways. >> what about domestically. anything need to be changed in terms of u.s. aviation security as we look at this event and what happened? >> the u.s. has been focused on threats to commercial aviation since 9/11. the u.s. continues to do that. and when we see something like this, an incidence that occurred in sharm el sheikh, it raises people's concern and attention. and i think that the u.s. has

said they're going to increase, but the reality is this is not something we've turned our eyes to. the u.s. has been focused on this type of security for a long time. one of the concerns here potentially is cargo, which the u.s. has not necessarily been as focused on as it relates to passenger security, for example. and cargo and who has access to cargo, how it's packed, how it's examined prior to being loaded on to an aircraft is something that will get some additional recognition and security review in the coming weeks and months. >> it was discussed yesterday that there are often subcontractors that are used to hire workers. many of them can be foreign who come in and deal with the cargo and the leading of the planes. is there a concern for you there that these people are not fully vetted? >> you know, the people are the weak link in all of this. it all comes down to the people. who are the adversaries? who is looking to make access to

the secure areas? obviously, when you are looking to take down an aircraft, the most important piece is getting something on to the plane. that's done by human beings loading the planes, servicing the planes, catering companies even, for example. the most important scrutiny is done in that area. and the intelligence is what's critical here. companies need to ensure their security is at the highest level. that people are being fully vetted and all leads are being run to their logical conclusion. and they've got to hold that high bar to ensure that people who are vetted are the ones who have access to the aircraft and are constantly evaluated on a regular basis. >> absolutely. sean hennry, good to see you. another two-tiered set of debates tuesday for republican presidential hopefuls. jindal, christie, huckabee and sant oarum will face off in the undercard debate. kasi kasich, bush, rubio, trump,

carson and ted cruz in the main event. let's bring in patrick murray, director of monmouth university polling institute. thanks for joining me. you're among these who say fox got it wrong in deciding who is a top tier candidate and who is not. what's wrong with that system? >> i wouldn't know how they'd get it right to be honest with you if you'll use polling at this level of precision. a number of things they weren't transparent about who they were going to use. it wasn't clear about a number of things. the use of the idea you can take these poll numbers which are rounded to a whole number, which have error built into them and then divide them into an average to the tenth of a decimal place. just defies all the principles of math we know of. the fact that chris christie got knocked out of there by just less than half of a point in an average, whereas perhaps if you had rounded each of these

numbers up in terms of each of the individual polls, he might have had a higher average. the point is polls are not that precise at that level. you can't say something is in or out based on a quarter of a percentage point. >> you think they got it wrong with christie? >> that's not for me to say. they should have take different responsibility and say it's not about polls. there's a lot of other things you can use. it's a subjective call. who is a top tier candidate. you don't want 15 people on the stage. how do you make that decision? look at fund-raising, how they're doing in the early states. you can look at other things. then you have to take responsibility for that. much easier to say we're going to use these polls and average them. >> we've seen candidates like carly fiorina, for example, get a bump from the debate and then not really capitalize upon it. is it a short lived bump? what impact do these debates have on poll standings in the long run?

>> the old saw is that a debate can't make a campaign but it can certainly kill one. and usually it's a stumble, an oops moment like rick perry had that debates are known for and have some impact. the idea here is we don't know about these debates because this is such an unprecedented situation on the republican side. we haven't had a candidate like a donald trump who came from the outside and is commanding such support, which is not wavering, and he's the reason we're watching all these debates and all these other candidates, there's no establishment candidate who is emerging from that part of the field where by this time we'd have two candidates we're dealing with and not four, five or stix. >> my director just put up your poll. you have trump and carson re taining the top two spots. however, marco rubio has moved into third. >> marco rubio tripled his support since our last poll. our last poll was right at the

second debate there. he actually started increasing his support. his support keeps building and building and building point by point by point each week. marco rubio is the default choice. default establishment choice of most voters, including trump voters and carson voters and cruz voters. as that part of the field gets wh winnowed down we're likely to see rubio's support increase. >> hillary clinton having pulled slightly ahead of bernie sanders in that state. any conclusions to be drawn from this, even though there's a difference well within the margin of error? >> our same poll, our poll numbers and same poll done exactly the same way justice a couple of months ago. sanders with a commanding eight-point lead. obviously there's something shifting here. i go back to a poll question i asked back in april. this was of democratic voters when hillary was considered the odds-on nominee considered getting 60% of the votes.

a majority said we like hillary and want her to be the nominee but we want her to pass a test. we want her to get some challenge from the left. another candidate that's going to hold her feet to the fire and keep her honest. we've seen that and seen it with the benghazi hearing and the first debate, joe biden pulled out. democratic voters said hillary passed the test and we're seeing support slide back to her. >> thanks so much. now to a small town in colorado where today there's outrage over what they called a sexting ring at the high school. but that only begins to describe the extent of the problem. at least 100 students were involved in sending sexually explicit photos of themselves using technology to keep it secret. kristen dahlgren has this story. quite the cautionary tale this one. >> yeah, alex, it is. we wait to see what prosecutors are going to do in this case, we're learning more about how the teens hid those pictures.

it's definitely something parents will want to hear. it's a scandal that's shaken a small colorado town to its core. >> we have a telephone with several hundred images on it. >> reporter: nude and explicit images of canyon high school students collected like trading cards. >> it got to the point of maybe a little bit of a contest to see who could collect the most. >> reporter: 100 students are believed to be involved. some as young as 13. authorities say all of those pictures may have been hidden in plain sight. >> ghost apps, hidden apps. they're everywhere, and the kids know about them. >> reporter: but many parents don't. they're disguised to look like something harmless. >> go to your app store and i did a search for hidden apps, and it brought up this calculator app. >> a calculator that works, until you put in your secret code revealing hidden pictures. >> this is a wake-up call for parents and teachers around the country. kids and teens know a lot more

about the internet than we do. >> this one father in particular wept so hard and thought he was a failure because he just could not believe his 12-year-old daughter would be sending out inappropriate naked pictures of herself. >> it's not just colorado. this week there were sexting scandals in pennsylvania, ohio and tennessee. >> there isn't a school in the united states probably at this point that hasn't at some point dealt with the issue of sexting. >> reporter: experts say parents should check out new apps, especially those that access the camera. look for redundancy like two calculators. >> parents need to tell kids that everything on the internet is permanent. even if you think it's hidden, it isn't. >> the teens are facing possible charges of holding and distributing pornography, meaning they may have to register as sex ofders. a lasting and public stigma for pictures students couldn't keep hidden. >> one of colorado's state representatives is calling for a

change to state law that would allow district attorneys to have more options in terms of how cases of sexting are prosecuted. he'd rather see this as a teachable moment than a felony. that bill expected to be introduced in january. i belt this makes you feel very lucky that your kids are a little older now. >> people should have heard in the studio how we went what? at that calculator app. >> pretty shocking. up next, how a lawn mower civilized the kcconfidence of those who support the keystone pipeline. one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.

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what did you make of the timing of the keystone announcement? it was under review for seven years? >> i think it speaks volumes about the president's seriousness going into these big climate talks in paris which begin at the end of the month. he's staking his legacy on his ability to get the whole world to come together to cut the emissions that's cause global warming. it would have been inconsistent for him to be green lighting a program here in america and then walking in and saying i want you to cut your emissions, yet not doing the same at home. it would have been a contradiction. and he mentioned that in his speech. you'll see more of that in the future. >> okay. we all know last week trans canada, the company that was undertaking this project, they asked for a delay. did they see the handwriting on the wall? >> absolutely saw the handwriting on the wall. the story of this permit application being put and in where it got rejected this week

is an amazing tale. they were so sure they were going to get this pipeline approved that they mowed the path. they cut the grass to prepare for construction. then paid workers to build the actual pipeline. if you go out there, i've been out there on the path of the pipeline through montana. the pipeline was there. they were so confident. slowly but surely the politics changed. they says we have to take it back. we want to save this. >> hoping for new administration and to repush it that way. we've all heard about the potential environmental issues concerning the keystone pipeline. there are those who argue the oil that would have been carried by the pipeline may now be transported more dangerous ways. any truth to that? >> well, there is truth to that. the tar sands which is what the -- the oil from the tar sands in canada where the pipeline would have taken the oil. that will go on trains. a lot of those trains derail and there can be explosions. the symbolism of rejecting the pipeline is what obama was going

for. he can't be seen as aiding thee fuels while later this month going to paris to tell renewabl. meanwhile at home doubling down on oil and that older, dirtier kind of fuel. >> you can all watch tony's show on shift by msnbc, greenhouse, airing thursdays at noon eastern. the invisible wounds of war. up next, one military family's pain and the music documentary to raise awareness.

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i'm the mom. i should have saved my kid. >> that's agonizing. joining me now, battle saint founder and country singer jamie lee thurston who participated in the project. it's a heck of a thing you are doing. i understand you got involved for personal reasons. >> yes, we had a family reunion where there were seven members of my family serving that were there, and one night around a big bonfire they started telling these harrowing stories of lost friends and close calls and being in combat. i knew i wanted to do something to make a difference. we started battle saint, and we're very fortunate now to be partnering with this amazing country western artist and singer that has written this amazing song, ghost in his eyes. >> i know you provide the singing on the documentary. when did you decide you wanted to be a part of it? >> actually i wrote the song. aid friend of mine that went to iraq and went as a medic so when he came back i asked him what it

was like, and through, you know, just getting shot at all the time and having to fix people up and it was crazy and just the way he looked in his eyes, so from that the people that heard my song were like that would make a great video. that's how i dove into this and that's where all this came from, and we dug in deep to figure out what the parents were like, the wives, the husbands, to let people know -- people know about it, but i don't think they understand it. >> it's a good point. you hear about it, ptsd, but understanding it, it takes a whole other level. you have to be front and center to try and get it and even then some people don't get it. >> absolutely. >> with regard to people who shared their stories with you, how important was it to get it out there? was it cathartic? >> i think it is cathartic. i think anyone who goes through battle comes back changed. you can't go unscathed through that. people don't understand it affects the entire family, the parents, the spouses, the

siblings. to be able to talk about it but feel like something is being done to make a difference. with the spirit centers that we're raising money for, we're helping build centers where people can get treatment and that's the key. >> uh-huh. i know this has changed your outlook on your career. it's extraordinary. there's fame and fortune and stardom which you're certainly on track for with that but you have a different thing i think qua qualifies as a definition of success for you. >> when you start talking to these guys and hearing their stories and i also suffer from depression, so i say no matter how you get to this dark place, no matter what path, i have a lot in common with them. so not that it's the same at all but we have a lot in common. so as you get older, it's about helping people, and then the more i talk to them the more it's like this is an epidemic. 22 guys a day are killing themselves, and that's real, 22 a day. and this is not a marathon -- it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. so very excited about that, and

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