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editor of bloomberg politics, former director for george bush nicole wallace and in dallas, john mechum, his new book. the american odyssey of george h.w. bush is out tomorrow and making huge waves. willie, this november thing. >> i'm glad you said something. i realized i never mentioned it last week. this is no shave november. >> make it stop. >> how can you make it stop? >> write a check. >> write a check or paint a fence. >> it looks like your face is dirty. >> i know. this is a third year in a row. >> still very attractive but i don't like it at all. awful. >> i got to say you should see his chest. >> i'm getting a sense.

is it. >> he's not waxing it anymore. >> it's hard to go to the turkish baths with him right now. so how was your weekend? >> just fine. thank you. coming up, we're going to talk about, did you see the back and forth between carly afiorina an the view? i didn't know how bad this got. i reviewed it over the weekend and there's more. i can't believe it. i can't even watch the whole thing. >> don't put nicole in a bad position. >> i'm not. she doesn't work for the view. >> i'm still in the turkish baths. >> i'm confused. okay. so let's start with ben carson. lots of news over the weekend. he spent much of the weekend beating back the scrutiny of being one of the front runners in the republican field.

it started late last week where carson came under question over did i cre discrepancies. a number of carson's childhood friends told cnn they have no recollection of carson being violent. then a political article accused him of fabricating claims of getting a full scholarship. he was offered a full ride after having dinner with the u.s. army chief of staff general west moreland in 1990. pretty specific. detroit news notes the general's personal schedule shows he wasn't in detroit that day. >> okay.

that must have been. >> a lot plays out. he pushed back. >> if he's in washington and ben is, maybe they could have had dinner. maybe they had snacks. >> they snap chatted. >> did they have skype in 1969? >> at first carson was defiant. >> there is a desperation of behalf of some to find a way to tarnish me because they have been looking through everything. they have been talking to everybody i've ever known and seen. i'm being skilled. there's got to be something. they're getting desperate. it's ridiculous. my prediction is that all i don't have you guys trying to pile on is actually going to help me because when i go out to these book signings, i see thousands of people and they say don't let the media get you

down. don't let them disturb you. please continue to fight for us. they understand this is a witch hunt. i do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president barack obama when he was running. i remember just the opposite. i remember people going we won't talk about that, we won't talk about that relationship. we don't want to talk about that. somehow ends up at columbia university, oh no. his records are sealed. why are you guys not interested in why his records are sealed? i'm asking you why it's sealed? don't change it. i'm asking you, will someone

tell me, please, why you have not investigated that. i want to know. >> why are you raising it? >> because i want to know. you should want to know too. hold on one minute. one second here. now, you're saying that something that happened, a scholarship offered is a big deal but the president of the united states records being sealed is not a big deal? tell me how there's a prevalence there. >> we know looking at we westmoreland he was not there when you said in your book. >> i know he was there in detroit. it may not have been memorial day but it was sometime during the time when i was the city

exec crutive officer. >> he later told the new york times said he didn't remember all the specific details. the general told him something like with a record like yours we could get you a scholarship to west point. in an interview carson claimed he was a high school student and protected white students during that time in his biology lab by hiding them amid-violence after dr. martin luther king jr. was assassinated. half a dozen classmates could not coonnberate the story. as carson tells it the whole class left in protest and the professor came toward me and they paused and snapped my

picture. a hoax the teacher said. we wanted to see who is the most honest student in the class. carson said the professor even gave him $10. the journal reports there's no photo of him that ever ran and there was no class at the university that had that title or number when he was there. he responded on facebook yesterday who said allow me to do the research. here is a syllabus you claim never existed still waiting on an apology. also being called into question is carson's account he was once threatened at gun point at a fast food restaurant. in an account given earlier this year carson claimed to have once been threatened by an armed robber while eating. he's a vegetarian. let's bring in chris whose been

covering the story. he's definitely blaming the immediate why were if getting it wrong. >> yes. i think there's two levels we have the look at. one level is when did he meet general westmoreland. the question is what about these different stories that people are investigating. go to his life story. it's his life story that made him a best selling author and he's remarkably in a front runner's status in the presidential race. if you go back to, for example, what his campaign posted a syllabus from yale saying look, this class does insist. if you click on it and read it, the page they put up of the syllabus is from 2002.

i called the campaign and said how does it prove there was this class if the syllabus itself said 2002? they said well, this class has been there as i understand it for a long, long time. i don't think the name of the class is really the question here. he got the name of the class wrong. people are not going to say i'm not going to vote for him. the question is, is the story that goes to who he is as a person and if you look at the poles, most like his honesty. the question is, was he named the most honest person in the class? the question is was he the person who shielded his classmates in high school after the riots following the mlk assassination? i think the real details here are the difficult ones because no one has come forward the say yes, i was in that class and that's what happened. >> i notice we keep talking

about the wall street journal, the conservative newspaper. it's the wall street journal that writes an editorial. in part by his biography. mark, you have told me day in and day out the reason why ben carson is doing as well as ben carson is doing is because of his biography. >> right here, guys, you can take that down. nobody's reading it. thank you. >> so we have the stabbing of a friend which turns out to be not bob. we've got the hammer to the mother's head. we're not really sure about that. we got the most honest person in class which sounds iffy. we got him shielding people in detroit riots, locking people up in biography labs to shield them. everybody, i can't remember that

either. we have a westmoreland dinner nobody can remember that he got the date wrong on. we got this popeye's thing. i never understood how that cut for him. a guy stuck a gun to his stomach. this is like hitting a mother with a hammer. how does all of this play in? especially when he talks about media bias and i talked about media bias last week. i know media bias. this is not media bias. this is just one question after another. it looks like the thread is being pulled and everything's unraveling. what's the impact? >> in the short term i think it will help him raise money and rally his supporters. in the medium term i think he has to worry one of these stories actually proves false. >> what if he proves one of them

true? he can't, there is no -- he had to back down on the stabbing of a friend, the westmoreland dinner, he had to back down on that. playing on a scholarship. miami and florida state came up to me and said we're looking at you. what if i had gone around for 20 years and say i could have pursued a football career at the two best colleges in college football but i decided to pursue my career instead. i had an entire committee that sifted through all the applications and it was a long process. somebody didn't tap you on the

shoulder and say you're going there. the whole thing is very insulting. >> you have to get an appointment obviously, to go to west point. i think all these stories put together do represent some problem in his ability to tell the truth if they turn out to be false. what i will say is it doesn't change the core of his life story. he grew up in poverty and a single mother that grows to bhe be a surgeon. this is us verses him and the media. the more he says that and donald trump says that, the more support he gets from his supporters. it's a strange place we're in the middle of right now where candidates can say things not true and turn to their supporters and go see, here they go again. >> these are bald face lies at

this point and the fact the media is cowering after being accused of lying is pathetic. >> let the two republicans come out and say it. again, for everybody that was offended in this industry, when i said what i said last week about media bias, this is the plus side of it. i can call bs on other republicans when they call out media bias like this. nicole, this is not media bias. this is pure bs and it's one lie after another lie after another lie and he keeps getting caught and by the way, i've got the say the media bias has won for ben c carson up to this point because he doesn't have a clue. >> the story -- >> he doesn't know anything about policy. in his biography he's lying and the press has been cowering for months.

>> i can't get over the pyram s pyramids. let me say the story to me is the media is uncomfortable saying the guy is lying about this and the pyramids. >> what do you consider lies to be? >> the whole biography is coming apart. >> what are the lies? >> all the details. >> all the details of my biography were slightly off. i searched you. i barely know how to use the twitter but i searched you last night and i was astounded that you were convinced all the threads of the political story had came apart. everyone's biography is going to be pulled apart but if you have a record or been a governor. >> by the way, nicole, if i made millions of dollars by going around and saying as he said to charlie rose, you know, i got a scholarship to west point and i could have gone to west point

but i chose instead to pursue. this biography is all he has. >> you kept saying look at his life story. >> there's been movies made about it and he's made millions of dollars on it and he can't cobb any of these stories. he was given an academic scholarship to syracuse in the 1998 campaign for law school as one of the best students. he was run out of the political race for that. called a liar, plall these thin. ben carson, are you now doing defense for ben carson? it's one story after another. >> do you have an interview lined up today? >> some of the things he's

inprecise about. >> chris jensing asked him about the betting process. >> betting is a normal part of the process. did you not expect this? >> i always said i expected to be vetted. being vetted and what is going on with me, you said this 30 years ago, this 20 years ago, this didn't exist. i have not seen that with anyone else. if you could show me where that has happened with someone else, i will take that statement back. >> i think almost every person who has been president. >> no, not like this. i have never seen this before. many other people who are politically experienced tell me they've never seen it before either. >> you don't think bill clinton or the president with his birth certificate. people who refuse to believe?

>> no, not close. >> why you? >> because i'm a threat. >> to? >> to the progressive, the sacred progressive movement in this country. i'm a very big threat because they can look at the polling data and see that i'm the candidate whose most likely able to beat hillary clinton. they see that. >> is this fun for you? >> would i have preferred to be doing something else? certainly, but it is important to me. when i think about the sacrifices of those made in order for us to have the freedom we have now, it's the least i can do. >> it shows his complete and total ignorance of american political history to say there's never been vetting like this. look at hillary clinton. she's deserved everything she's gotten from this table. we have raked hillary over the coals nonstop day in and day out

and we done it here searching for the truth. all right. look at george w. bush, the national guard story. they went after bush there. joe biden, again, like i said before when he ran in 88. look at bill clinton. you know, john, bill clinton back in 1992, we heard he visited the u.s.s.r., that was something swirling around forever. barack obama, did barack obama not get it with jeremiah wright? how many times did we talk and how many times did the national media.com about him saying [ bleep ] the united states the sunday after 9/11. we all heard about bill aiers and everything with barack obama. ben carson has been given cotton candy and treated to lollipops by the main stream media. i've never seen a candidate

treated as gently as ben carson has been treated. you can't even say it about donald trump. >> mocked, ridiculed and cast aside. >> i'm sorry, put some historical spectrum on this over how presidents and candidates are going through much worse than ben carson having one or two bad articles written about hill. >> let's not do 50. andrew jackson thought his wife had died because john quincy adams' campaign had been so negative about when they were divorced. abraham lincoln was attacked in the most vicious kinds of terms. franklin roosevelt was attacked in the most vicious terms. this is part of the political process. you do end up facing questions of every kind. i remember talking to lamar

alexander. he was running in 96 and he, you were talking just a second ago as well, he's self- vetted so that when i get up on the left side of the bed and asked me what i had for breakfast on august 2nd, 1974, i would be able to tell you. this is part of the game. i don't think it's a productive part of the game, necessarily. if you're running on your biography you better fact check the biography. >> willie, some of these are just again, i'm sorry, i can remember where i was 18 years old or 17 years old and said maybe you can play football at miami and fsu. i remember where i was when i was 20 years old. if i'm in pop eyes and a guy sticks a gun to my head, i'm going to remember that. if there's riots and i'm shielding white kids, i'm going to remember that. these are all stories that show what a great man he is and him saying i don't remember it, it

was 50 years ago, it's nonsense. >> in this bizarre political world, the point i was trying to make is republican voters are more distressful of the media than their own candidates. they leap to their defense. i don't think these are good things for him when you put them together but in the short term, anyway, it's not hurting. t it it's allowing him to say the media is coming again. >> there's media bias and there's lying. what's going on here? >> i agree with you. he's not an old man. i don't know what he forgets about it. most men and women remember the transition from childhood to man hood. the reason he wrote about these things is because they were the formative experiences of his life. it's not one thing he doesn't remember, it's five. >> they're pif toll moments. >> nobody can corroborate any of

them. >> these are different people whose lives were touched and touched his lives. while i agree with you in the near term his supporters will rally to his defense but they don't make up all the primary republican voters. they will not get there with carson. there's a lot of republicans who watch donald trump evolve. he gets better every week at the basic skills of running for president, the debates, interviews. ben carson is not on that tro je trojectory. >> they accused the media of taking herman cain down, michelle bachmann. i wrote about this last year.

crazy never wins. chris jansing. >> he raised $3.5 million off us last week. if you go to his facebook page which is a big part of his fundraising and a big part of his strong base. the people who believe him and think that the media is out to get him and you read the comments, the opinion against the media is strong. compare that, i think he raised a million the week before. the question is as nicole raises, he's got his base there behind him. how does he broaden it and what's the impact of all these revelations on bat? >> that's incredible. chris jansing, thank you. >> let's be very clear. ben carson has been caught not telling the truth. when your biography is at the center of your campaign, that is a devastating, devastating problem. and he doesn't even know

policies the wall street journal said this morning in an editorial. that makes it worse. what's coming up next? >> there's shame, i'll just add, this real natural discussion about media bias which can be healthy for the process but people like that use it as a shield, take advantage of it and make it kind of a cartoon. >> i'll say one more time to wrap this up. >> i'm sorry. no offense. >> all of you guys that want to write your blogs saying this is part of media bias. go back and see what i said a week ago and see what you were writing about me a week ago having the guts to tell the truth. guess what? i have the guts to tell the truth to the people i work for and i have the guts to tell the truth about candidates when they're lying. last monday, i told the truth to the media. this morning, i'm telling the truth to ben carson. you're lying and you need to come out front and you need to admit because it's only going to

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we've been having a spirited conversation. nicole and mika and i teaming up with mark. >> i admire it. to me, to look at them in isolation is missing the point. his whole reason for running for is his biography. >> do you think he's a chronic purposeful liar that's trying to fraud people into thinking things about him that aren't true? >> i don't know his motives but i think a lot of people want to look better than they are or want to take seven little things

and make them brighter than they were to tell a story. >> i can tell you this, if i ran for political office and for some reason i went to a rich done nor from princeton and said you know what, i was offered a scholarship. thank billy bob smith in the front row, you know billy bob, i was all for the scholarship for princeton, billy bob but i decided to pursue watching football games at alabama or whatever i would say. >> -- i would been absolutely secured. he suggested this, just said it outright on charlie rose. i got a scholarship to west

point but i turned it down because i wanted to pursue medicine. is he a chronic liar? i don't know. he's got a problem though. there's a dinner he wrote in his book. he wasn't going around -- no, when you write a book you go through notes and cal lenders and write things out. that ends up being a lie as well. he can go on and on and on. and you're right at the end of the day you got the pyramids. >> still breaking for me. pyramids. >> i can't wait to hear about king tuts. >> what we just saw was donald trump talking about what might have been. bush-trump 88. you had an interesting interview

in texas. >> i did. i was interviewed by nicole's former boss, george w. bush kindly hosted me at the library. >> that's big. >> it was a blood pressure thing for me. i learned about the father's diaries. he was more interested about what i learned from his mother's diaries. i pointed out one of the early entries had him listening to mother goose albums. he said that's where it all started. so he, he's characteristic. sense of humor. it was fun. >> as i listened to you talk about the book for a week or so, i'm struck by how often the bush's ask you about what other bush's say about them. you're the go between for the family. >> what you got to do when

you're an oppressed wasp like me, being a family therapist is the way i work out my own issues. i bring a mar teen any picture and a brooks brothers gift certificate and we work it out. jeb bush told me along the way the topics in the bush family are family matters, sports and well, that's about it. it's not a particularly intraspeck rif family. on the historical side they have been interested in what their mother was saying about being in texas in 1948. what was their dad saying about donald trump and chatter in 1988. this was all in documents that the bush's let me look at which i don't think formed a core conversation through the years. >> john, i watched the special on saturday night on fox and the audio recordings, i have never

heard before. when he talks about losing and the audio recording starts with hurt, hurt, hurt, i hurt. i just sat there sobbing and to put that against three presidents, clint ton, obama and president 43 talking about the character and integrity of this man, it was too much. can you talk about listening to those audio tapes and things that you maybe didn't know about him before you under took this? >> the audio is amazing. what he did as the president is a couple times a week in a hand held cassette recorder, little cassettes, he really just talked about what it was like to be president. it's as close as i'm ever going to get to being president is listening to him. the 1992. >> don't say that, john. the bar has been lowered these days. >> that's a fair point. we'll announce later.

but what you would have is this man who never wanted to whine to anybody. nobody wants to hear a president say oh woe it's me. yu president and damn lucky to be there and there to do the job. the one place he could talk about how he truly felt was to himself into this tape recorder and i think on that night, election night 1992, that's the night the 20th century ended because you had the last president of the greatest generation giving way to a baby boomer president. he says explicitly, i always thought the country was about duty, honor, country. but quiet clearly it's not. that's a tough thing to say even in an hour of anguish. characteristically, he ends it by talking himself back in the game. he says now what i got to do is finish strong. these tapes are what politics are really like and we don't get

a chance to see it often. >> you're the right man to answer the question donald has thrown on the question. was he asked by water in 1988 if he would be george h.w. bush's vice president? >> the possibility was presented by atwater to president bush which described it as strange and unbelievable. >> all right. john mechum, thank you. the book is out tomorrow. wednesday on morning joe we're going to be joined by andy with his thoughts on the book. still ahead this morning, we have much more discussion about carly fiorina and ben carson. over the weekend by the way. >> speaking of media bias, the view and how they treat conservative women. yeah, there is media bias there. when there's a conservative woman running for president or vice president, yeah, there's media bias. this worm is going to turn again

where i take the conservative role of there's massive media bias. the way they treated carly on the view was absolutely embarrassing. i say that loving and knowing whoopi and joy. i love them both. they treated her in a way they would never treat a democratic woman. . >> okay. over the weekend i took part in a special event for martha stewart. her 4th annual american maid program. entrepreneurs across the country were honored for turning their passion for hand crafted goods into small businesses while making their products right here in america. it's making a big difference in their local communities. thank you, martha for having me. martha will be on an all star panel of speakers that are going to take part of women knowing their value. it's in orlando next week. also on the stage racheal ray,

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47 past the hour. joining us now british foreign secretary and also with us president of the counsel of foreign relations, richard haas. >> the conversation continues. >> he was offered an obo scholarsh scholarship. >> no, it was oxford. overland. okay. >> good to see you here today. sorry you had to come in this conversation. let's talk about what's going on. i can tell you what's obvious. >> last wednesday we didn't think it was safe for people flying out. >> he did that early.

what information do you all have that the rest of the world didn't? some of it is open source and some of it is intelligence. we formed the view overall this was a bomb on the plane. if there was a bomb on the plane that indicates serious problems at the airport and therefore, we recommended people not the fly through. >> we had, i think, the new york times yesterday had the story about allies and others, even allies across the middle east, their participation in syria. many backing off. what is great britain's position on how active you all should be in fighting isis?

>> we're not carrying out strikes in syria. we're working closely with the u.s. and we have to take the fight to isis. the question is how? how best to address this issue? >> so richard, looking at this investigation into the russian plane crash, given the indications that we are seeing now, how does this effect the big picture? >> this stuff is always inevitable. as soon as the russians double down on supporting, you have to think there was going to be pressure against them. there's also the pressure on egypt. i'll be curious with what hammond thinks an that. yesterday you had the ars of a leading rights activist. whether you were comfortable with the projecture of ccs egypt or you can think whether the country is essentially going off the rails and too top heavy of a

fashion. >> we had them in london rather conveniently last thursday. of course, this is a subject we've been discussing with him for the last year or so. we're with him in being intolerant of extremism and intolerant of those who support terrorism. we're urging him not to turn that into a general intolerance difference. there has to be political space in eenlt. for those who don't agree with the government to voice their opinions, as long as they do it peacefully and inside the scope of egypt constitution. if you read the constitution, it's clear. the issue is making sure those freedoms inshrined in the constitution are delivered on the ground. >> a lot of people critical of your government for the small number of serian refugees. they're compared to what counsel was doing in germany. how do you defend that position? >> first of all, we're not part of the era in europe. the flow of refugees into mainland europe is not something

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>> mr. secretary, prime minister cameron just dropped plans to have a vote on whether or not to use air strikes on isis in syria. if that's not the strategy, if that's not the plan, you said to do something about isis, the question is what. the united states government has been fumbling around looking for a strategy putting 50 special operations forces inside the country. what is the solution? who are we backing? do you agree they must go? >> first of all, we haven't changed our plans. there was a story running last week but without foundation. our position is still when we're clear we can get a majority in the british house of commons and that is us understanding the leadership and we'll go back and have a vote on this. on the broader question, they have to go. that is clear. there is now a process on the way. we had a meeting in vienna 10 days ago and back saturday with

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ben carson, willie, jesus is wearing an interesting. >> it looks like a terry cloth robe. >> he might have got it from a hotel. >> in all the time of the gospels, i never saw it. >> we have nicole wallace, richard haas and bloomberg's politics mark and hue hewitt. let's get to other news. >> we love hue. >> we're starting with senator marco rubio whose trying to put questions about his finances to rest. the republican presidential candidate released two years of charges to an american express credit card issued by florida. they show eight personal expenses worth $7,800 from 2005 to 2006 rubio says has been

repaid. it includes $3,500. another expes a pence, a vacation. karenal fes. we should mention three years ago a florida state commission cleared rubio of ethics violations related to the use of a state party credit card. let's bring in the new york times reporter jeremy peters. >> i think if marco rubio is going to be brought down by something, it's going to have to be bigger than this. these candidates who face intense scrutiny, we're talking about ben carson before, it always comes down to the bigger picture here. i think what the jeb bush campaign and hillary clinton campaign are looking at right now is a way to puncture this image of him as the empathetic

every man. somebody who has suffered along with every other working class american and if they could do that by shows that he is just a career politician, that he's in this for himself and he has no record of accomplishment despite the fact he's been in politics for 20 years, that's much more powerful than using his corporate credit card using his driveway and pay back the money. >> all right. joe, why would he have thoughts? >> we've been hearing and nicole you've been hearing for sometime and i've been hearing from the bush people and other people. in fact, kate and buzz feed several months ago, i've been hearing that the big story was coming on marcos finances and he said do you think it's coming and i said it hasn't come for five years. i've been reading stories for five years and it's never come. yes, there's sloppiness there.

he shouldn't have done what he did. is it going to end a campaign? no. should it stop someone for voting from him? no. i've got to say if this is what the bush team is counting on to deflate marco rubio's rise. >> or the press. all do respect to jeremy, there's no press core tougher than the florida state press core. there's a competitive market in the country and the fact they came up with the press core i think it exceeds anything the new york times has. i think as with the clintons when a politician is sort of raked over the coals on a single issue over and over again and they don't survive it, they don't come out weakened, they come out fortified. >> i'm going through the list of charges. the biggest is what they referenced the driveway for $3,700. they pulled the wrong card out of the wallet to pay for it and paid it back. is there anything through the

credit card records that voters should be alarmed about? did he go wild at some point? >> there's no evidence he did anything like that. i think that's what a lot of opponents were hoping would be there. it's messy and not the best bookkeeping you're ever going to see. there's a lot of late fees. that's one thing that came through here. he was late. he or the republican party, whoever was paying the bill was done 21 times. but so what does that tell us about how he would be as a president? i think that's joe's point. ultimately, he paid all this back. >> when also, mika, we said before when we read the story and talked about the luxury cruise liner which was a 10 foot fishing boat, you compare this money with what bill clinton was getting paid $550,000 for

countries. she was changing policy and at the same time bill clinton was getting paid $550,000 in a general election, please. if i'm a republican please bring this up compared to what hillary clinton and bill clinton did. >> the only thing i said is during the debate when it was discredited it wasn't truthful. >> that was not truthful. >> but, there's a lot of stories. >> i don't think in the end there's anything here that's going to cost him a vote. >> let's move on. carly fiorina went toe to toe with the hosts of the view friday. did you guys see this? her interview came a week after the talk show host joked about her appearance at the last g.o.p. debate. first is what they originally said followed by friday's appearance. >> you know what carly said that made me laugh? >> three pages. >> she kicked off her thing saying you know, people tell me

i didn't smile enough during the last debate. she looked demented. her mouth did not downturn one time. >> it was like a hol wean mask. i love that. >> a smiling fiorina. >> it looked like she had been practicing that for a long time. >> i think she means demented. >> how do you get a thicker skin to accept some of the humorous things that will be said about you? >> well, hey, if you and your comment about my face being demented and a halloween mask is humorous, so be it. i guess you misinterpreted donald trump's comments about my face and thought those weren't humorous. >> hold on. point is. >> hold on carly. it's joy again. >> i have a real thick skin. >> i defended you against donald

trump's comment. he is running for president of the united states and he was making a nasty comment about your looks and i took him on on this show but we are comedians here. i make fun of hillary's pantsuits and hillary's husband's sex life, john boehner's tan and ben carson. >> i want to also add it was -- >> i don't understand why any politician is exempt from my comedic jokes. >> you know what, joy, you can say whatever you want. you always have and always will. i'm not going to stop that and don't worry, i have skin plenty thick enough to take whatever people throw at me. i'm making a different point and the different point is this. i think that there are real issues in this nation that we ought to be able to discuss in a

fact based civil fashion. >> absolutely. >> frankly, i don't think we talk that way enough. >> so, you saw this and. >> i did. it went on and they threw a debate on certain issues and it seemed a little bit off. >> what was your take? >> i think carly fiorina is really elegant and that was too bad. >> i've talked about what is media bias but nicole, there is a special place in the heart of liberals and it's a dark place from women who are republicans and pro life. i have seen it for 30 years. the greatest bias in the main

stream media has to do with social issues. it's like when mcgail tried to get elevated because he was a conservative and hispanic, they literally tried to destroy him. they do that with women too before they know they're capable of governing or not. >> these are women and former colleagues. i think that their sweet spot is when the jokes are on the men. for themselves as prominent women and for their viewership, i don't think anyone wants to see women do a take down of other women. there's plenty of men to make fun of. to me, this isn't the women at their best. carly fiorina though at every point in the campaign when we've been talking about carly, it's because she's stood up to debate organizers who squeezed her out of the big stage, donald trump when she took him on and to the critics. i think carly fiorina always shines and makes the most of any

situation. >> and she did. there seemed to be an anger at the table and accusing her of things. fundraising off a bit. i'm not sure she was. i'm not sure their information was right. having said that, doing a live show like this, i know things go off the rails and you'll have a show where you, hold on one second. so if they were sort of -- how it went then that would be understandable. i'm not sure they do. >> they seem to double down. >> they seem to double down. i have a lot of moments i regret. >> i do too every day. >> that was mean. >> i'm not talking about a woman's face being demented and a howling mask. so anyway, hue hewitt, let's talk about carly for a second. she always seems to over

perform. we've been talking about media bias an awful lot. a lot of republican candidates try to hide behind media bias. as i've said clearly it exists and it's strong out there. >> hey joe, good to talk to you. i feel like rand paul at a republican debate for a little bit in santa fe. bahhi back to rubio, there is no story. he's not conceptive in that. nothing wrong with that. it's a complete and utter, that story is not a story. carly fiorina, she did earnings calls for public companies for many years, six or seven years. that means four or five times a year she sat down with financial journalist and took the most difficult questions. i thought it was vulgar and

disgusting what the view did. i worked with a female co-host in l.a. for ten years and she repeatedly got comments on her appearance. men never get that. i'm very, i can understand people stepping in if they're a guy but i do not understand the view. joy's explanation was over the top defensive, it shows she was protesting too much. they were guilty, guilty, guilty of the worst sort of attack on a person for their appearance as a woman. >> moving on now, ben carson spent much of the weekend beating back the scrutiny of being one of the front runners in the republican field. it started lake last week when carson came under question. in his best selling autobiography, he wrote about violent episodes before turning to religion including his attempted stabbing of a friend named bob. a number of friends told cnn

they have no recollection of him being hot tempered or violent leading carson to acknowledge some of the names were made up. and then a scholarship offer to west point. in his other biography he talks about being offered a full ride after having dinner with general william westmoreland on memorial day of 1969, but as the detroit news notes, the general's personal schedule shows he wasn't in detroit that day. at first, carson was defiant. >> there is a desperation on behalf of some to try to find a way to tarnish me because they have been looking through everything. they have been talking to everybody i've ever known and seen. there's got to be a scandal. there's not got to be someone he's had an affair with. they are getting desperate. next week it will be my kind garten teacher who said i ped in

my pants. here's my prediction. my prediction is all of you guys trying to pile on is actually going to help me because when i go out to these book signings, i see thousands of people and they say don't let the media get you down. don't let them disturb you. please continue to fight for us. they understand that this is a witch hunt. i do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president barack obama. >> doesn't do all that well and some how ends up at column wee i

can't university. his record is sealed. why are you guys not interested in why his records are sealed? why are you not interested? can someone tell me why? >> i don't do you think they are? >> i'm asking you why it's so. don't change it. i'm asking you will someone tell me, please why you have not investigated that. i want to know. >> why are you raising it? >> because i want to know. you should want to know too. tell me how there's equivalency there. >> all right. so we explained last hour. so, nicole, westmoreland dinner

that didn't happen when he said it happened. >> was there a westmoreland dinner at all? >> no proof of that. yale claimed he was the most honest student. popeyes claimed that the vegetarian went in. you can go through it. >> these are bald face lied. he's not an old man. his entire reason for wanting to leave this country is his personal character. that is what he's running on. a lot of people i know like him a lot. he's running on being a guy with exceptional and extraordinary character of integrity. when things turn out to be lies, i'm not sure what kind of story you're telling.

i get people need to polish up their resume, if i lie about five things on my resume, i wouldn't get the job. if you want to be president and writing in your biography. >> mark objected to saying these were not true. let's say you put five things on your resume you can't corroborate. let's go to you, mark. the true rand paul of the segment. >> hue's next. >> mike huckabee of the segment. and poor richard, we only showed his tie. so mark, why you don't want to say he lied of the five, six, seven eight things that the wall street journal went after, question number one, do you agree with the wall street journal editorial pages this morning that he should expect this and this is fair game and shouldn't wine about the fact they're going after the character and number two, from the collection of evidence before you at this point in the

campaign as a seasoned reporter, can you say carson had trouble puffing up his resume or fabricating events that may not have happened at all? >> i agree with almost all of the editorial. he's at best been extraordinarily careful with the facts. some of the things are being branded as lies. i believe he was misleading and unclear. >> but mark, he brought these things up. now, i could say that i walked on the moon. >> he's running on his live story. >> i could say i walked on the moon and built my own spaceship in the backyard. it shows what a brilliant man i am. i went up there and figured out

how to do it and walked on the moon and came back. nobody remembers him sheltering white people during the riots. you can go one to another to another to another. no, i don't remember him being a violent guy that would take a hammer to his mother's head. >> unless you know the people he interviewed were people he sheltered, i don't find that example compelling. there are many examples here compelling and he needs to explain them better and reassure people he doesn't have a fundamental problem with the truth. some of the examples are not fair to him to lump in with all the others. >> i think they both like

stories that paint a picture of him being a god-like savior of all the people. >> sort of like the guy would have jesus hanging with him in a terry cloth robe. >> that is a bold move. >> i was there and changed the world and saved lives. >> your question about the dinner, it was memorial day 1969 in detroit. there was a bank wet in february 1969 and carson's campaign came out and said we believe it was at that bank w a carson met westmoreland. what do you think all these stories from ben carson amount to? hue. >> armstrong williams on saturday spent some time talking to the -- they're not worried

about this at all. i think they're probably right. usually voters react negatively when there's a contemporaneous untruth. allegory had a problem in 2000 because all of his untruths were very close to the period of time in which he was running for president. right now, last week in the washington piece, they had a nondisclosure agreement in the nba. last week there was a piece on the relationships with the department of state. there appear to be lies in mrs. clinton's immediate past. if you go back 30 or 40 years and find, we could prove you were not on the moon, joe. that's not proving a negative. >> no you can't because i was. >> i actually did have somebody

come up and tell me, joe, we want you to be an astronaut. i those instead to go to the university of alabama and sit in the back and read sports illustrated. you can't prove i didn't do that. >> that we could not disprove that. these people have a chance to win. every four years i say they will never win and never be president. they do not -- at this point,

ben carson, these stories do not add up. the conservative media knows these stories do not add up. how long do we sit back quietly and pretend they do add up because we don't want to offend the audience. >> we do not want the media to destr destroy democrats. >> hue, hue. >> we don't want to be part of that. >> hue. my god, hue. >> that's all. >> we have set around this table with me at the lead and mika with me as well every day for six months digging in as deeply as we can on hillary clinton's finances and hillary clinton's foundation, on hillary clinton's

e-mails day in and day out. why can we not look for. >> have you covered the letter? >> no, i haven't. hue, that happened last week. i know you've got a talking point of these two little things that happened last week. what i'm siaying is you put it n perspective. your only argument, hue, if your only argument is that the media is covering ben carson for a day and a half but they haven't covered hillary clinton's problems long enough, that is not a very strong argument. especially around this table where hillary clinton. you're disproving my point. you're disproving my point. if you're interested in

impressing the republican base and not winning the presidency. then keep that up. this is about finding out who the strongest republican candidate is that can win in the fall. >> you're so wrong. the debate of two weeks ago helped the republican party generally by exposing to the united states completely both democrat and republican independent that republicans face a head win and democrats have the wind at their back. that is something useful for people to remember and it's useful for me to come on a show like this that said hey folks, there's two huge hillary stories while we're finding carson's friends from 40 years ago. you folks in the manhattan and d.c. area. >> hue, you're so full of it. hue, you know better than that, hue and you need to go back and

see what i said a week ago about media bias. i put my neck on the line every single day here and i say things here, you manhattan people, hue, please don't embarrass yourself because you're talking about me a guy whose gone after republicans and democrats in media bias. you owe me an apology on the air right now. because you know better than to say that about me. >> oh joe, i absolutely do not. i didn't say that. i said the manhattan beltway media league. i love you joe, i know you walked on the moon. >> i did. you can't prove i didn't. >> the main stream will not cover hillary's problems. >> hue, i would like for you to watch this interview and watch yourself. you might want to come back. you might. hue hewitt, thank you very much. still ahead, chris christie's

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joining us now republican presidential candidate governor chris christie. you look very, very nice. also with us mike barnical. he looks okay too. >> i'm still catching my breath from the last segment. >> i was watching that. it got a little heated. >> what happened? >> heck if i know. >> you know as well as anybody we rake everybody over the coals. >> come on.

i got no sympathy for nebrasany. i guarantee that. >> ben carson has had one day of people looking at him closely. >> you know what, we're all responsible for our own personal stories, joe. all of us. whether it's ben carson or marco rubio. we're responsible for the stories we tell about our lives. >> if you were, if somebody offered you a scholarship to west point, would you remember that? >> i tell you this, i just don't know that i would be the type that would offer a scholarship to west point. i don't think i'm the type. who knows. >> let's talk about the debate. i'm trying to fig your out why you were excluded from the debate based on a poll that had the worst record back in 2012 and also a poll that showed john

mccain up 50 points. >> well, listen, i don't get to set the rules, i don't get to make those decisions. i'll be in milwaukee tomorrow night and be on the stable wigea lot more time to talk. >> you actually have a poll that matters and you and marco are moving faster up than anybody else and they ignore new hampshire. >> i don't ignore new hampshire, joe. i spent the last three days up in new hampshire and got back on sunday and i continue to work hard up there. iowa and new hampshire as all of you know will be the folks who decide. not anybody in an office building in manhattan. >> mike. >> speaking of new hampshire a video went viral last week of you talking about the problems of adiction and you started with the inability to kick cigarettes and you mentioned a friend of yours that died and o.d.ed. it's a huge issue throughout the

country. but it seems that too many candidates, especially on the republican side of the aisle, they haven't talked about it as eloquently and humanely as you have talked about it. you have to pay for treatment facilities. how are you paying for treatment faciliti facilities? >> first, we're lowering our correction budget and we're taking that money and moving it toward the budget. it's $49,000 a year to incarcerate someone in new jersey, mike and it's $24,000 a year in patient term treatment. we can do this in a way that doesn't make government grow larger and we're going to have to get tougher on insurance companies in terms of paying for this as well. they pay for cancer treatment and should pay for this treatment as well. >> you and other governors try to do this in their states and build treatment centers instead of putting them in prison.

>> some of it is not in my backyard crap. that's part of it. part of it is just reoriented people as you mentioned, willie. not soft on crime. what i know is i won't be smart about it. more important than that, these are human beings. their lives are important, their precious to their family and friends. i know how that feels. i don't want to see more people needlessly die. >> you think that will change now? >> i know they're starting to change in your state. >> if you have a president that's willing to talk bt it in the way i'm willing to talk about, i think we can. that's the great thing about the presidency. you can make things happen and change through you raising your voice. and i was telling someone this earlier. when i was in new hampshire this weekend going to my town hall

meeting in hanover, there was a couple with a dog and they said we want to come by and say thank you for the video because our son died a week ago today. 23-years-old heroine over dose. his younger sister goes to school here. please keep talking because we don't want your son to die in vein. >> that's the thing. this is not a problem. all you have to do, joe, you know this and everyone knows this. walk around any city, it's not just the homeless, people on the edge, it's your sons and daughters. >> it's an epidemic and i've said it on the show before, five of my sons at the university of alabama, five friends he knew fairly well died of prescription drug over doses which were all related and i remember going to my son's graduation and i had a lady come up to me and said the same thing. she came up to me and knew the

show and we were talking and i said do you have somebody graduating today and she froze and said my son would have graduated today. >> what i say in the video, it would change the course of our lives tremendously. we need the compassion about that and understanding. i don't understand people who make this a moral failing. i don't understand it and i hear that stuff in my party and other parties, they make it a moral failing, then be the one who casts the first stone out there. tell me you haven't made a mistake you want to go back and change. >> what are you noticing on the ground in new hampshire? your numbers are moving up. you and mark are moving up. bigger crowds and more than just the bigger crowds. what i'm noticing is that folks are coming up to me and now

saying we're voting for you. in the first five or six months of this venture, people say do we like you, that's interesting, we're going to come back and see you again. new hampshire people are beginning to process of deciding. i lot more, mary and i were both up there this weekend and we both commented to each other people were coming up to her saying i'm voting for your husband. that with your feet on the ground we're seeing volunteers and other things. >> we talk about a lot of polls on the show just to drive home to point why the governor's video went viral. 25% say drugs, 21% say the economy. both education and health care. that is a remarkable number that showings why it's resinating in new hampshire. >> health care numbers are less than a third of their concerned about drugs and all you have to do is spend a little time in new hampshire and you see every day,

every day in the newspaper multiple reports of people dying of drug over doses. it is an epidemic up there. in particular, it's a problem across the country. in new hampshire it's an enormous problem. people want to talk about it. i've gotten to a number of drug treatment rallies. earlier in the summer we need more treatment and want to act differently towards our kids and quiet frankly our adults getting hooked in the same way. >> i went up there a couple of months ago and went through a couple different events and kelly was having an event and sat in the crowd watching. first thing she talked about was drug adiction. i thought since 1973? it's pretty stunning. >> it's here. >> governor chris christie, great having you. we'll be right back with much more morning joe. it's good. does it make the short list? you remembered that too.

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feel a lack of fundamental fairness. they feel that wealth is rewarded more than work. they feel that in this particular case, hedge fund man injuries and private equity firms aren't paying their fair shares and they feel that the basic pillars of economic growth are being neglected. >> and mike barnicle, ted cruz supports this. >> there are so many to have taken a no tax increase, others have said only if a fundamental program of tax reform. >> how do it move ahead? >> i'd like to see us do it in

the course of the transportation bill or the budget negotiations that will go on but we have a lot of things that are priorities that are being neglected and i think it has to come up in association with each one. i particularly think about, as i said, the pillars of economic growth. we're neglecting our education system, we're tied up in knots offer moving forward with a transportation infrastructure system that lasts six years and we're falling way behind in r & d and just basic science. we could be leading the world in terms of innovation and we're not. >> what's getting in the way? who are your biggest obstacles for this one issue? >> let's take the recently negotiated transportation bill. in both the house and the senate, they took proposals -- funding proposals like this off the table and said we are not

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>> oh, enrique! >> i brought you the check for the wall. >> welcome to "morning joe." we've got the managing editor of bloomberg politic, mark halperin, nicole wallace and john meecham, his new book "destiny and power" is officially out and willie, this november thing -- >> i'm glad you said something. this is no shave november for men's health. it not by my own but i'm happy to help the cause. >> how does that help men's power? >> can't you just write a check or paint a pickett fence or

something? >> this is the third year in a row. >> you're still very attractive. >> i have no defense except i'm helping men's health. >> you should see his chest. >> it's hard to even go to the turkish baths. >> seriously, i don't know him. >> let start with ben carson. there was lots of news over the weekend. he spent much of the weekend beating back the scrutiny of being one of the front-runners in the field. he began to come under scrutiny for his best selling biography. he wrote about lots of episodes including his alleged stabbing of a friend named bob but a number of his friend said-the-had no recollection of

him being hot tempered or violent. then a political article accused him of fabricating claims of getting a full scholarship to west point. in his autobiography, he talks about getting a full ride, even after having dinner with a general, that's pretty specific. but his schedule shows he wasn't in detroit that day. >> that must have been -- well, let it play out. because he pushed back. >> if he's in washington and ben's in -- maybe they could have had dinner. maybe they had -- >> virtual dinner. >> did they have skype in 1969? >> at first carson was defiant. >> there is a desperation on

behalf of some to try to find a way to tarnish me because they have been looking through everything, everybody i've ever known, anybody i've ever seen, there's got to be scandal, there's got to be a nurse he's having an affair with. next week it will be my kindergarten teacher who said i pa peed in my pants. my prediction is all you guys that are going to pile on is actually going to help me. when i go out to the book signing, they say don't let the media get you don't, please continue it fight for us. they understand that this is a witch hunt. >> i do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president barack obama when he was running. in fact, i remember just the opposite. i remember people, well, we won't really talk about that, we won't talk about that r

relationship, frank marshal davis, we don't want to talk about that. all the things that jeremiah wright was saying, oh, not a big problem. goes to occidental college and somehow ends up at columbia university, his records are sealed. why is his record sealed? why are you guys not interested in why his records are sealed? >> why do you think they are? >> i'm asking you why are they sealed? no, no, no, no, don't change it. i'm asking you will someone tell me please why you have not investigated that. i want to know. >> reporter: why are you raising it? >> because i want to know. you should want to know, too. hold on one minute. one second here. now you're saying that something that happened with the words a scholarship was offered was a

big deal but the president of the united states, his academic records being sealed is not? tell me how there's equivalenciy there. >> there have been things that have been independently vetted. one is general wes moreland, we know now looking at his records that he was not there when you said in your book -- >> i know he was there in detroit and i know it was congressional medal of honor. it may not have been memorial day but it was sometime when i was the city executive officer. >> carson later told the "new york times" he didn't know all the details adding it was informal, saying something like "with a record like yours, we

could definitely get you a scholarship." the paper says a half a dozen classmates from his detroit class could not cooperate the story. the journal could not corroborate during a course at yale the professor said his final exams had accidently burned and they would have to retake it. as carson said the whole class left in protest and the professor came to me, a hoax, the teacher said, we wanted to see who have the most honest student in the class. carson said that the professor even gave him $10.

b but there was no picture ever for him. here is a syllabus for the class you say never existed. still waiting for an apology. also in question was that carson was threatened by an armed robber while eating at a pop eye's restaurant in baltimore. however, critics noted that carson is a vegetarian. >> they make great salads. >> and baltimore police said they have no record of the robbery. >> let's bring in chris jansing, who has been covering this story. chris, can you add any context here? he is definitely blaming the media for getting it wrong. >> yes. i think there are two levels we have to look at. one level is, for example, when did he meet general wes moreland. if he got the day wrong, is that something people wouldn't vote for him as a result of. the question is what about these

different stories that people are investigating? go to his life story because it his life story that made him a best selling author, that made him in demand on the speaking mark market, that he has parlayed into a campaign. if you click on the sill bus, the page they put up on the syllabus is from 2002. i called the campaign and said how does it prove there is this cls class if the syllabus itself said 2002. and they said this class has been there, as i understand it, for a long, long time.

the question is is the story that goes to who he is as a prn a -- person and if you look at the polls, people most like his honesty. the question is was he named the most honest person in the class. was he the person who shielded his classmates in college? the details are the most difficult ones because no one has come forward and said, yes, i was in that class and that happened. >> in the we keep talking about the wall street journal, the conservative newspaper of record, who actually writes an editorial. "it's no surprises his opponents are looking for ways to block the ledger." you have told me day in and day out that the reason why ben carson is doing as well as ben

carson is doing is because of his biography. we have the stabbing of a friend, which turns out to be no bob. we've got the hammer to the mother's head. we're not really sure with that. woof got the most honest person in class, which sounds iffy. we've got him shielding people in detroit riots, locking people up in biology class, a wes moreland dinner that no one can remember that they did the wrong date on and they went back and looked at it. we've got this pop eye's think, which i never understood how that cut for him saying a guy sticks a gun in his stomach. it kind of like the mother on the head. this is hitting the mother with the hammer. so all does all of this play in, especially when he talks about media bias and i talked about media bias last week.

i know immediamedia bias. this is not media bias. it looks like one thread is pulled and everything is unraveling. what's the impact? >> in the short term it will help him raise money and supporters. and in the medium term -- >> what if he just proves one of them? he had to back down on the wes moreland dinner. let's talk about the scholarship for a second. i played football in high school. i had a guy in university of miami come up to me and said we're going to be watching you.

florida state. what if i said i could have pursued a career at the two best colleges in college footballs but i decided to pursue my studies instead. when i was congressman, i had a committee that sifted through all the details. >> you have to get an appointment to go to west point. i think all these little stories put to the do represent some problem to tell the truth if they turn out to be false. but what i will say is it doesn't change the core of his life story, which is what people are really drawn to with ben carson, that he grew up in poverty, that he grew up with a single mother and rose to be

this pediatric surgeon. the more support he gets from his loyal supporters. it's a strange place we're in the middle of right now where candidates can say things that may not be true, be pressed on by the press and turn to their supporters and say, see, they did it given. >> these are bald faced lies and the fact that the media are cowering is -- >> so let the two republicans come out and say it. for everybody that was owe funded in this industry for what i said about media bias last week, this is the plus side of it. i can call b.s. on other republicans when they call out media bias. >> nicole, this is not media

bias. >> it's b.s. it's one lie of a another lie, after another lie. he keeps getting caught. and by the way, i've got to say, the media bias has run for ben carson up to this point because nobody has said wait a second, he doesn't have a clue about policy issues, which is what the wall street journal said today. he doesn't know anything about policy! in his biography he's lying and the press has been cowhering for months. >> i still can't get over the pyramids! let me just say the story to me is that the media is somehow uncomfortable saying the guy lied about everything in his biography and al he's got is his biography and by the way, the pyramids. >> what do you consider the lies to be? >> the whole biography is coming apart. >> what are the lies? >> all the details are coming off. if all the details of my

biography were slightly off, i doubt i'd have this job. i barely use twitter and i searched you. everyone's biography is going to be pulled apart. but if you have a record and did. >> if i have made millions by going around and saying as he said to charlie rose, you know, i got a scholarship to west point and i could have gone to west point but i chosen instead to pursue -- >> you kept saying "look at his life story." >> he's feasted off it. there's been movies made about it and there's been millions of dollars from it and i guarantee you -- >> joe biden said he got a scholarship. he said he was given an academic

scholarship i think to syracuse in the 1988 campaign, he was run out of the political race, called a liar, a majplagiarist. >> in all due respect, do you have an interview lined up today? >> some of the things he's being asked to prove a negative and i don't think they should all be lumped together. >> and coming up, presidential contender mike huckabee will join us. he's prepping for tomorrow

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have been. bush-trump '88. >> i was interview by nicole wallace's former boss. george bush interviewed me, we talked about his father and what i learned from the father's diaries. he was more interested in what i had learned from his mother's diaries. i pointed out that one of the early entries had him listening to mother goose albums and he said that's where it all started. he brought his characteristic sense of humor about it. >> i'm struck by how often the bushes have asked you what other bushes have said about them, that you're so of this

go-between in their family. >> what you have to do being a depressed wasp like me, being a family therapist is working out my own issues. i bring a martina pitcher and a brooks brother gift certificate to every meeting and we work it out. jeb bush told me along the way topics in the bush family are family matters, sports and, well, that's about it. it's not a particularly introspective family, i think, and so i think particularly on the historical side they have been interested in what was their mother saying about being in texas in 1948. what was their dad saying about donald trump and the vice presidential chatter in 1988? this was all in documents that the bushes very generously let me look at but i don't think formed a core of conversation through the years. >> jon, i watched the special on saturday night on fox. and the audio recordings '41 i

had never heard before. and when he talks about losing and the audio recording starts with hurt, hurt, hurt, i hurt, i just sat there sobbing. and then to put that against three presidents, clinton, president obama and president 43 talking about the character and integrity of this man, it was too much. can you talk about listening to those audiotapes and the thing you didn't -- >> the audio is amazing. a couple of times a week in a hand-held cassette recorder, he really just talked about what it was like to be president. it's as close as i'm ever going to get to being president is listening to him. >> don't say that, jon. the bar has been lowered considerably. >> well, that's a fair point.

we'll announce later. but what you would have is this man who never wanted to whine to anybody. he used to say nobody wants to hear a president say, oh woe is me, you're president, just -- so i think that's the only place he could talk to anybody was his tape recorder. you had the last president the last generation giving way to a baby boomer president. he said i always thought the presidency was about duty, honor but apparently it's not but then characteristically for bush 41 he ends it by talking himself back into the game saying now what i have to do is finish with

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>> i'm not. i'm not. let's talk about the debate setup. what do you make of the setup, especially given that ben carson is one of the front-runners? >> i'm not excited about it. sometime national polls drive things. if they did, we'd have president giuliani and president cain based where they were at this point in time. but rules are rules. you agree to play by them, you don't have to like it. i think there's a lot of unfortunate pairings that happen. if we don't get an adequate amount of time in those debates, it's hard to keep advancing. i only got three questions in the most recent one and it's

really hard to get your message out there when you're not able to talk about why we need to protect social security, why medicare is important to seniors are why we need to make big changes in the tax man and instead i get questions like do you think donald trump has the moral character to be president? that's very frustrating. >> so just curious, i mentioned ben carson because we've focused a lot on him this morning and some of the discrepancies that have come out of his memoir. i'm wondering if any of the books you've written were put under the same scrutiny, would they find voids and holes and does that matter in terms of character and honesty? >> well, mika, i've written 12 books. i'm sure they've all been put under incredible scrutiny. up know if you run for offices are you're going to be put

through the sausage grinder. i think the most surprising thing is -- i'm not going to get into arguing what ben did and didn't do but i think the one thing that i was taken aback he said was that people have been looking into his personal life. they have not yet gone into your family and they will. this ain't bean bag, as we say. it is a brutal process. i've been through it for 26 years and life ant fair. i'm telling you. but i will go on record today and tell you this, mika, i never hit my mother with a hammer and i never stabbed anybody. never wrote about it either. so there you go. at least i'm out there on the record for that. check. >> mark halpern. >> governor, do you plan to finish first in the iowa caucus? and if so, when will you take over the lead in the polls? >> well, you know, mark, it was way into probably december before i started moving up and

really even a week or two before and those caucuses were in january last time. so let just move it up. if i'm beginning to esao the surge coming in late december, early, mid january, that's where we'll need to be. iowa breaks late. it did last time for santorum. i hold the record with the most votes ever received in the iowa caucuses in its entire history. we know how to win it. it's a matter of laying groundwork and being organized. >> governor, you mentioned that the iowa voters and voters nationally are still deciding questions, like as you said, does donald trump have the moral character to be president? do you think donald trump has the moral character to be president? >> yes, i do. i look at his family and his kids. to me that's a barometer of who

an adult is. if you have adult children who are responsible, successful in their own right and who love their father, you have to say the guy's done something right. donald trump is donald trump. i think one of the reasons he's being so successful is that people like the fact that he says at the podium what a lot of us would only say around the most intimate circle of friends in the coffee shop or in the automobile. to question whether he has the moral character, i don't question that. >> governor, i don't think you'd get any argument from anyone that donald trump is a great dad, is a great dad. my question to you is do you think donald trump and ben carson are qualified to be president of the united states? >> all right, mike, i think this the presidency is a little bit above an entry level job. i think to qualify for the presidency, one needs to have had not just executive experience in the business

world, i've had that, but its did not prepare one to be an executive in governor because it's totally different. can you not fire the legislature, you cannot fire all the bureaucrats that don't like you and you better learn how to work with them because otherwise you're dead in the water. i do believe that we need to begin looking at the qualifications. and the american people are like the h.r. department putting candidates through the interview process. look, would you get on an airplane with someone who had never been in a cockpit before? i'll go one better, mike. i bet you wouldn't hire someone to mo your lawn who never pulled a rope on a lawn mower and started one. we don't elect a president bass of what he promises or the speeches he makes. we elect a president because we believe his judgment and temp temperament and character --

>> governor, the only problem is the people in washington right now are not mowing the lawn very well to take one of your metaphors. >> that's true. >> or that is the attitude of many american people is that washington is completely broken and maybe it needs fresh eyes. >> all the more reason to elect mike huckabee. i've never gotten a paycheck from washington, i've never lived there or worked there but i have a successful record of rebuilding roads, schools, a health care system, cutting taxes, changing the criminal justice system in a stay in which i did it with a 0% democratic legislature. if you want to talk about how to go after the corruption that exists in a political system, i've done it. i believe if people start looking at where we come from what our backgrounds are, what we've accomplished and can we be credible in saying we'll do certain things to fight the corruption that people are so

sick of in washington and that we'll work in a bipartisan way to get things done for the people rather than for ourselves. look, i have to believe at some point people start thinking about that stuff. >> governor muike huckabee, a lt of people do think the governors are the one to watch. still ahead, wap street is closely watching the fed as friday's great jobs report could mean an interest hike is imminent. plus just days after hosts of "the view" made jokes about carly fiorina's face, she joined them. we'll talk about the contentious show. we'll be right back. can a business have a mind?

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your looks and i took him on on this show. we're comedians. i make fun of hillary's pant suits, hillary's husband's sex life, i don't understand why any politician is exempt from my comedic jokes. i don't get that. >> from our comedic jokes. >> you know what, joy, you can say whatever you want. you always have, you always will. i'm not going to stop that. i'm not going to stop that. and don't worry, i have skin plenty thick enough to take whatever people throw at me. i'm making a different point. and the different point is this -- i think that there are real issues in this nation that we ought to be able to discuss in a fact-based civil fashion. and frankly, i don't think we talk that way enough.

>> so this interview went on for many more minutes and they were all jumping in. with us is the editor of harper's bazaar magazine. what were your thoughts seeing that? >> at the most basic level i thought it's not that funny. and i think that politicians have to roll with the punches as we all know. joy beharr is a funny lady. that is not her latest. they doubled down and both sort of made a real -- became very combative about her face. this poor woman's face. it her face. >> she's very elegant. >> and i think that politics are fair game, look at every daily show, every chris christie,

every donald trump hair -- >> but there are no go zones. there are people on that set that we could say that you don't say them. >> and they say them, it was regrettable their choice of words. that doesn't get you anywhere. >> there was a lot of talk about hillary clinton's cleavage and there are no go zones. that was mean. i think it was mean. >> it gets to an old rule of thumb, though, about comedy, it's always funny until it's about you. >> but it wasn't even just watching it as not about me. i was like that is not exactly a thigh slapper. >> no, it wasn't. >> i've had things written about my face and it really hurt my feelings, even if it was true. >> i don't think it rises to open mic night at the laugh factory. they do treat carly fiorina

alien because they just shout her down as that's factually wrong, even if their facts are wrong pause they don't discuss conservative ideas on the set. it's completely alien to them what they're espousing. >> i understand it's a live show and there are five of them, some of them are new. >> it's like people shouting at a bus stop. i'm an editor. a thought need editing. i think carly, to her credit, was trying to do that. she maybe ran to it -- >> she showed up given. and that's a tough room. i would find that room tough and

i'm not of her political persuasion. >> and they were trying to go after her for showing up, saying she was asking for transportation. >> she can get an uber. >> you want to go on "the view" feeling safe and not -- >> what did they do in. >> they were throwing at her next time you can't ask for transportation. they were making fun of the negotiations -- >> to the set for her to be on? >> it got really personal. >> it was regrettable. >> not regrettable is the spirit of daring. i love your magazine. we took this daring notion. philosophically or editorial philosophy is daring and we took

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