thanks so much. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow, reporting live from here in paris. "mtp daily" begins right now. >> good evening, from new york, this is "mtp daily's" special coverage of the ongoing investigation into friday's terror attack in france. as we pretty much midnight in paris, as you can see the eiffel tower lit up against there in the french colors. new threats have europe on edge. two big headlines in particular. an evacuation of a soccer match in germany, and russia declaring that it was a bomb that brought down the commercial airliner just two weeks ago. we'll have the latest from europe in just a moment and in just 30 minutes on capitol hill, a classified briefing gets under way for members of congress from homeland security secretary jeh johnson and fbi director james comey. we'll talk to senators john mccain, snjoe manchin and also

mike huckabee. let's start with the newest threat in germany, as well as russia's claim that it was -- that that plane was downed by a bomb put on there by isis. bob has the latest on the new threats in germany. tom costello is in washington. and claudio is in brussels with the latest on the investigation. and christopher dickey of "the daily beast" is in paris. we'll begin with the developing situation tonight in germany. it may all be connected. about 90 minutes before kickoff, a massive evacuation of the stadium where a germany/netherlands soccer match was to take place in hanover. police say they received information about concrete threats. german chancellor angela merkel was due to attend the match. bob, i know you've been looking at a few things. what do we know about what the concrete evidence was in germany

that called for this evacuation? >> the early report was that there was an ambulance that essentially was a truck bomb. but as of this hour, there's some confusion about what actually the evidence is. now, the police chief said concrete evidence is what caused the shutdown. but the interior minister in the later discussion with the media said there had been no explosives found. we do know that any one of a number of trucks in the area are being searched. we also know that there was concern about the hanover train station, whether there was a bomb there, and that goes to the idea of multiple simultaneous attacks. >> and sort of similar to what happened in paris. you've had some sources in the intelligence community that are concerned about something you call sequencing, which would connect france to germany to england and the united states. explain what that means. >> what the intel sources are saying, at the minimum, they are

investigating whether there is some sort of marker being laid down by isis here to establish themselves as more violent, to establish themselves as capable of reaching out, like al qaeda had been. and one of the concerns, is there some sort of sequencing of attacks that is doing that. we've already seen, so far, four attacks in the last five weeks. 518 people dead. >> just starting with ankara? >> with ankara. >> and then through the russian jet. >> through 24, beirutbeirut, an through paris. enormous numbers. they had not shown prior to this any sort of external operation. so the question is, is this not just a single group of attacks, or is this part of a larger plan? is this part of a sequencing, and is germany part of the

sequencing? >> and the concern is, after germany, what's next? the concern is london, the concern is washington, the concern is moving forward and creating essentially not just an individual city's terror, but a worldwide terror. >> bob, thanks for making us a little less -- feeling less secure, thank you, bob. now to the other big development of the day, another suspected isis attack. russia is saying definitively it was a bomb that brought down that the russian plane over egypt two weeks ago, killing all on board, 224 people. president putin today vowed to hunt the perpetrators and punish them. today there are reports that two employees of sharm el sheikh airport are being questioned.

>> cairo is not on board with what the russians and americans and brits are saying. recall that after the jet liner was crashed, we heard from isis claiming responsibility. couple days later, the british and american intelligence agencies said they believe it was likely a bomb, and then this morning, we have the kremlin come out in a staged photo-op situation in which the head of their security agency said they've now concluded it was a bomb. they had detected more than two pounds of tnt, brought this plane down. they say they found traces of tnt in the sand, and also in the wreckage of this metrojet liner. and after that, president putin vowed revenge. here's what he had to say. >> translator: we should not apply any time limits. we should know them all by name. we will search for them everywhere, wherever they are

hiding. we will search for them in any place on the planet and punish them. >> what do they mean by punish? he said destroy them. and of course we saw russia step up air strikes against, what we are told now, are together isis targets, not just opponents of the assad regime in syria. you mentioned cairo though, egypt still not on board with this. they still say they see no indication it was a criminal act. keep in mind, egypt's tourist economy has been devastated as a result of this and in addition, says cairo, they have seen no indication that there was a significant security lapse. though if there was, they say people will be held accountable. and egypt saying nobody has been arrested in egypt. however two people have been detained for questioning. people who had access to the airport and presumably the airplane in sharm el sheikh, but cairo saying they have not been arrested. russia, the uk and the u.s. all

saying it's a bomb, egypt is not on board with this. >> tom, thanks for much. so as france, we're looking at the isis targets in syria and continuing its pursuit for accomplices in that devastating attack. just a short time ago, french police put out this photo, identifying the man they believe was one of the suicide bombers outside the soccer stadium that got away. officials confirmed one person directly involved did get away. he's the second fugitive they're openly hunting for tonight. >> the other fugitive at large is 26-year-old salah abdelsalam, whose brother was among the dead attackers. belgium accused two men of picking him up after the attack and taking him back to belgium. and the net is widening today with three men detained in

connection with the paris attacks. at least half of the extremists who killed 129 people on friday are thought to have been raised in france and neighboring belgium. that's where investigators are zeroing in on the suburb of molenbeek. joining me from brussels is our own claudio laf annia. what more can you add to the pursuit of the suspects and how wide is this conspiracy? >> well, i'm standing right in front of the house where salah, abdelsalam grew up. you can see that over there. it's the first floor, and it's the only light that are lit up there in that building. that's where the family still lives. mohammed, who is the brother of salah, came on television yesterday. he was arrested on friday, among

six people and then he was later on released. apparently the police doesn't believe that he has any connection with salah in that particular instance of the attack. and mohammed said on television that his family and himself, of course, are shocked at what salah was capable of doing, that he doesn't know where he is, and he even made an appeal for him to turn himself in. but that doesn't seem to be the case. salah is still on the run and the police doesn't seem to know where he is, and whether he is still in belgium. >> i was just going to say, yesterday the assumption was he was still somewhere in belgium. they don't think that today? >> well, is they simply don't know. i don't know whether you remember the pictures of the police raid that took place right here in the neighborhood of molenbeek. well, they did not find him, even though they did arrest the two men that they believe took

him from france back to belgium and then may have also built the exploded vests, but they do not know where salah is. >> claudio on the ground for us in brussels, thank you very much. as the investigation continues into the gruesome attacks, our own lester holt spoke with secretary of state john kerry in paris, to talk about the breeding grounds for terrorism, and what must happen next to thwart them. >> so you weren't surprised by what we saw in paris? >> i was shocked by it, not surprised. i find that we all know, because we are following the threat streams, that any individual who wants to strap a suicide vest around them, can walk into any public event in most places in the world and blow him or herself up and destroy people with them. >> let me ask you what's happening in europe. has belgium become a breeding ground for terrorism, and is europe going to have to

seriously consider closing its borders? >> that's up to the europeans. they've got to make their own decisions on that. europe is a -- you know, has extraordinarily capable governance. people who watch these things very closely. >> but uniquely vulnerable because of its borders. >> of course uniquely vulnerable, which is one of the reasons why president obama licensed me to make a special effort with respect to the political track we're on now, to bring the countries together, including iran, and including russia. a month ago, we had no political process that was viable. now we have russia and iran at the table, and they have agreed on a set of principles about what syria should look like. they've agreed to come together with the opposition and assad and negotiate a transition, and they have agreed to have a ceasefire. the minute we get that viable political process moving. >> joining me now, christopher dickey, foreign editor for "the

daily beast" and long-time european correspondent. you heard what secretary kerry said today. i'm curious, your own reporting today, number one, what are you hearing about whether the french are going to invoke article 5 of nato. >> well, i don't think they're going to, because i think they're afraid that if they do nothing will happen. if they invoke article 5, then all of nato has to meet, you know this, chuck, and they have to decide whether they're going to sign onto it or not. even after 9/11, when the united states invoked article 5, the north atlantic council was reluctant to do it. they provisionally invoked it, depending on whether it was really was a foreign attack. but i think hollande doesn't want to get into that, and the big issue with article 5 would be turkey. because you could get 27 other members of nato to sign on to really bold action, but the turks probably wouldn't sign on to it. >> so what do the french want

from the united states at this point? >> well, i think they want intelligence sharing and logistical support, and they may not get nato cooperation, but i think they'd like more aggressive american action on the ground. >> sure, the americans have been leading the way, with bombing for now almost a year and a half. but it hasn't had the kind of intense effect that i think the french would like to see and the russians and everybody else at this point. >> is there an ability to put together a make shift coalition, sort of similar to libya? >> yes, i think that's probably what hollande is working on. and it's interesting that he's trying to get both the russians and the americans into this ad hoc coalition. if that happens, isis will see quite a team of players up against it. the french have a pretty strong airport, the russians and the americans have damn strong air forces. >> you've been terrific for us. appreciate it. on the ground reporting and a

lot of experience behind it. thank you, sir. we were just showing you pictures there of the make shift memorial outside the concert hall in paris. still a lot of people mourning those so many young victims of these horrible terrorist attacks. coming up, the fight against isis in syria gains a new ally. what russia's latest move means for our international relations and up next, senator john mccain joins me on why he believes paris should be a wake-up call for americans and for the president. we'll be right back. how you doing? hey! how are you? where are we watching the game? you'll see. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our running back is a beast. once he hits the hole and breaks through the secondary, oh he's gone. and our linebackers and dbs dish out punishment, and never quit. ♪ you didn't expect this did you? no i didn't. the nissan altima. there's a fun side to every drive. nissan. innovation that excites.

back now with more "mtp daily" and fresh evidence that americans believe that terror headlines are the new normal. in the wake of the terror attacks in paris, here's what two general election voters, in a columbus, ohio, focus group, that nbc news was able to observe, had to say on monday night. >> i liken international

terrorism to the domestic terrorism that we see on an almost weekly basis. so i don't necessarily blame an international population, i feel like we've experienced terrorism here regularly. >> what do you mean by that when you say that? >> that i would consider domestic terrorism to be all of the shootings on college campuses and movie theaters and wherever the general public congregate. >> does anybody else agree with what michelle is saying? one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, okay. >> that is to say, you knew something like this was coming. and the way i look at it for the future, there's going to be more. it's just a matter of where and when. and it's going to be worse. so i think, you know, a big part of this is starting to look at who's, you know, who's policies are going to help.

if possible, prevent it, but if not, at least try to minimize it as much as possible. >> take a minute to spoke that in. that was, again, qualitative research, we know it's a focus group actually done by hart associates on behalf of the annenberg public policy center of the university of pennsylvania. as for regular polling about how americans were feeling about islam before the paris attacks, a majority of americans agreed with the following statement -- that the falls of islam are at odds with american values and our way of life. that poll was conducted in september and october of this year, and that's up 9% points since 2013. although not many people knew about isis before 2014 when the group made their way in the heads lines after they beheaded american journalist james foley, who had been missing in syria since 2012. we'll be back in a moment. ?

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in about 11 minutes, there's going to be a classified briefing on the paris terror attacks for the full house of representatives. jeh johnson is due to brief members along with james comey. the full senate gets the same treatment tomorrow. but what to do against isis is going to be a matter of ongoing discussion, earlier today, lester holt sat down with secretary of state john kerry who defended u.s. policy against isis, or what he calls daesh. and explained why rushing in with a big ground force won't work. >> our strategy is clear. we are going after daesh, we are now going after them with heightened ability, with more people out of turkey, with special forces on the ground, with additional efforts from iraqis, peshmerga, kurds, all pressing in. we've taken back territory. we need people on the ground who live there, who are prepared to

take back their communities. and working with us who will kick isil out and secure their communities when they're out. >> i'm joined now by a strong critic of the administration's response to these attacks, republican senator john mccain. welcome back, sir. >> thanks, todd. >> let me start with what you just heard there from secretary kerry. it seems as if on whether -- i want to try to find where there's agreement. there seems to be an agreement that there need to be ground troops. the question is, whose ground troops? where are they going to come from? and that's been the challenge fo since the coalition was put together a year ago? >> that's correct. we need a coalition, the sunni-arab nations, with american participation, around 10,000, to go in on the ground and take out isis. this bombing has been going on over a year and they're saying all the time that things are

getting better. meanwhile, isis is cropping up all around the middle east in other countries. this is just delusional. you're only going to defeat them on the ground. you may gain some ground back and some territory back, but the fact is, isis is now met afticizing throughout the middle east and that's undeniable. >> do you support these efforts to try to negotiate a ceasefire in syria? >> i support efforts to negotiate anything that we could, to bring an end to it. but to somehow legitimize the iranians and the russians whose object and goal is completely different from ours. the goal of vladimir putin is to maintain his base there on the mediterranean, to play a dominant role in the region. they haven't since they were kicked out of egypt in 1973 by

anw anwar sadat. and to prop up bashar al assad. and the iranians and the russians are working together. who are the first people that russia bombed? our people, the ones we trained. >> putin is now saying he wants to go after isis, since he's decided that isis brought down that plane. do we work with him? would you be sharing intelligence? diane feinstein, who has also been critical of the administration, she does think there probably now needs to be coordination with russia whether we like it or not? >> i think legitimizing this guy, who has dismembered a european country for the first time in 70 years, who does not have any of our goals, which i just described, in common with us, i think it's a terrible idea. >> so what do you do? the russians are there. what do you do now? >> you assemble your coalition that i just described to you. you go in with air power that really matters. by the way, all those targets

the french hit, how come we didn't hit them before? but anyway, you go in on the ground and you kill them and you get rid of them. and the russians should not be a major player, nor the iranians. >> this is making a faustian bargain, if we agree to work with them, because we have separate goals, and the goal of vladimir putin is to keep bashar assad or his stooge in power so they can maintain, and the iranians can maintain dominance in that country. >> so what do you do with assad right now? do you at all park that to the side for a short term period while you try to eampt rad kate isis, or do you try to deal with both at the same time militarily? >> last time i checked, he's still barrel bombing innocent civilians. that's why, in addition to that force you were talking about, we need a no-fly zone and a buffer for refugees and for us to train

and equipment that would be a no-fly zone that has to be an integral part of it. are we going to continue to work with assad, he's already slaughtered a quarter of a million people. the refugee problem now, it's because of his actions. this is crazy. >> well, i guess i go back to, how do you deal with both at the same time? >> well, you go in, and you take out isis on the way. >> first? so you would take out isis first? >> i would take them out. but i certainly wouldn't have anything to do, at the same time, i would set up the no-fly zone and tell bashar assad he's got to stay out of there or we'll shoot him down. that would stop the barrel-bombing. then i would say assad has to go, and we would train and equip the syrian army who would be going after assad.

the reason why our department of defense operation failed miserably is because we told these young men they could only fight against isis. they hate assad much worse than they hate isis. >> one last question. concern about the refugees. what would you be able to tell arizonans, what do you want to say, the people are we going to take in are going to be well vetted? what would it take for you to be comfortable saying that? >> as long as i am convinced and smart people are convinced that the proper vetting is being conducted. and on that subject, chuck, i'm a christian. and i don't believe -- i believe in all children are god's children. and to say we will only take christian children, by the way, what about jewish refugees? i think it's -- i don't understand someone who would say in this humanitarian crisis that we would only take children who are christians. that to me is a contradiction to

my faith, love thy neighbor. >> you want to tell me who you're referring to there, or not? >> ted cruz, sure, and others. and others, and others. >> i know you've got to get to vote. >> sure. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> now some governors and 2016 hopefuls are calling for an end to accepting any refugees. you just heard one republican who believes it can be done. one of them that doesn't want to see it is mike huckabee. he'll join me later in the hour. we'll also hear from democratic senator joe manchin. we'll be right back. the future belongs to the fast.

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the nation, ryan wants to halt the resettlement of syrian refugees. >> our nation has always been welcoming, but we cannot let terrorists take advantage of our compassion. this is a moment where it's better to be safe than to be sorry. so we think the prudent, the responsible thing is to take a pause on this particular aspect of this refugee program, in order to verify that terrorists are not trying to infiltrate the refugee population. >> speaker ryan said he's not satisfied with the president's plan to defeat isis. authorization for the battle against isis is still murky. there's been renewed calls for a new war authorization today, or at least an updated one. they said it's time to break the gridlock on this issue. >> the notion that a 14-year-old statute aimed at another enemy is any kind of a substitute for congressional authorization is unsufficient. >> what we've done is sat on the

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back with more of "mtp daily's" special coverage of the continues investigation of the terror attacks in paris and the new threats emerging today. the coordinated attacks by isis over the last two weeks is sweeping a new sense of worry across the west. first with the downing of a russian airliner that vladimir putin now plans to retaliate against. the bombings in beirut took dozens of lives. and now of course the horrific attack in paris just days ago. these attacks bring with them fears of an evolved terrorist

organization that many thought were unable to pull off this type of coordination. now the 28 members of the european union unanimously are backing france in its war against isis. all of this as president obama travels from turkey to the philippines, meeting with asian world leaders there for the asian pacific economic cooperation summit that is now going to be dominated by an urgent need to take on isis. joining me from manila is ian bremer, editor at large for "time" magazine, author of the book "superpower." and let me get right into questions. first, we now have what the russians are saying, they're fighting a war against isis. they claim france is fighting their own war against isis. we have our own. at what point does that have to start coordinating? and senator john mccain and other republicans think the last person the u.s. should be working with is vladimir putin. >> i can think a lot of people

that should be further down on that list, obviously isis being on top of it. that's the point, the united states is a marginal player in syria right now. we've wanted it that way. we recognize that syria is an incredibly slippery slope, but it's not been very steep. that's why the obama administration immediate response is, we'll bomb more, we'll coordinate more intelligence, but we're not changing our strategy, we're not putting boots on the ground. we're not going to destroy isis ourselves. the destruction of isis as a consequence is still kind of aspirational from the american perspective. other actors are going to do a lot more. the russian-led coalition, working with assad, working with iranians on the ground, working with hezbollah, are much more likely to actually have some outcomes in terms of stabilizing syria and in terms of eventually taking isis out. we don't trust the russians. the french don't trust the russians, but they're in a much better position now to have much

more impact. so whether or not we like them, there's no question that the outcome we're going to see, russia is going to be a critical player. >> and we're doing this via skype, that's why the video is shaky, but the audio is terrific, so ian, don't worry about that. let me ask you about the issue of europe right now. as you know, there was a scare in germany. there's been some american intelligence concerns that there's a sequencing going on here that maybe what isis is up to is a much larger coordinated series of strikes they want to aim at the west and put europe in a tough spot. what is your concern about europe? can the union hold up here under what is -- between the refugee crisis, internal political disputes in many of the democracies in europe. what's europe going to look like in six months? >> look, timing matters. and 9/11, horrifying as it was for all of us, we didn't have elections going on. the u.s. was on top of the world when it hit. all of our allies were aligned

with us. the chinese were small. the russians were reasonably helpful. coordinated with us afterwards, let us use bases. europe right now, the timing could not be worse. we have american elections and so the lead response from the u.s. seems to be, don't you take any syrian refugees, you have french elections coming up, so unlike last year after "charlie hebdo," where you had the entire french political spectrum, with the exception of the nationalists who were left aside, working together, and six million french on the streets. you now have sarkozy playing politics. you don't have the country coming together. you have some saying, including the former president, that you need to cancel the french climate summit. and a lot of criticism of hollande. and they're at the beginning of this refugee crisis across europe. and so as a consequence, instead of europe coming together, you have european leaders all saying this is a disaster, we can't

follow the germans in bringing these refugees in. we have to bring our borders up. so the timing could not be worse from a european perspective and that's leaving aside the potential for other terrorist attacks. the fakct -- unfortunately, thi is a really negative cycle we're looking at that's going to get much worse, leaving aside the direct human cost of the tragedy that we had last week opinion. >> ian bremer, for those that get your reports, they're always sobering to read. ian, i appreciate it. thanks for joining us on skype from manila where you're also trying to get a read on what's going on with apeck there. thank you, sir. still ahead, former governor and 2016 presidential hopeful mike huckabee on the move by many governors to keep syrian refugees coming to their states in the wake of the paris terrorist attacks. we'll be right back.

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the attack in paris has made the relocation of syrian refugees a political lightning rod in this country. it's also one in europe too for what it's worth. house speaker paul rain sayan s there should be a pause on the syrian refugee program. that thought was echoed by chuck schumer of new york. this, as a growing number of governors oppose accepting any refugees at all. the number of governors opposing syrian refugees now stands at 30. north dakota is the latest. at least ten states say they'll still welcome the refugees. and the issue has found itself

into the 2016 campaign trail. hillary clinton tweeted this, quote, we've seen a lot of hafel rhetoric from the gop, but the idea that we'd turn away refugees because of religion is a new low. and jeb bush said this in south carolina earlier today. >> the challenge is, this is a new form of influx, which is why i said that, look, at a minimum, we ought to be bringing in people that have, like orphans and people that clearly aren't going to be terrorists, or christians. there are no christian terrorists in the middle east. but i think there ought to be a pause for traditional screening to make sure that every governor and the american know exactly how it's going to be done. >> not to be outdone, john kasich spoke to our own peter alexander a short time ago and said all refugees need to be denied entry into the united states. >> you know, first of all, i don't think any refugee should come in now until we can determine who they are, that our country will be safe. you know, we don't want to bring them into our neighborhoods to cause harm to our families, our

communities, or our country for that matter. >> and we have new word of this. the white house will now hold a call tonight with governors to go over their concerns. joining me now is somebody who added pressure to this, former presidential hopeful, mike huckabee. he sent a tough letter to speaker ryan saying if he won't stop the funding of this, that he should step aside. governor huckabee, welcome, sir. >> thank you very much, chuck. i came out on this early saturday morning last week when the paris attacks had just happened. because it became obvious that the open-border concept of europe was one of the factors that led to this horrible slaughter. and until there's a better understanding of who's coming, where they're coming from, what their intentions are, i think americans really have a right to be protected. that's the first duty of the president -- protect americans. that's one way he can show he's

stepping up to the plate and giving leadership. he's not done that. >> you heard john mccain, he said, i'm a christian and i believe everybody is a child of god and there shouldn't be a religious cast on this. if somebody is seeking asylum, the united states of america is still a place that should offer that asylum. >> so whoever shows up and says, hey i'd like to have some religious asylum, even if when they get here, they're going to str strap bombs to their belly and blow up a bunch of people, chuck, that's nonsense. it doesn't mean that to show compassion, you have to bring people 8,000 miles to the borders of the united states. we can establish refugee camps in the middle east. let's not forget that the reason these people are refugees is because of the savagery of islamic radicals. until we address that and i know the president didn't want to do that in his press conference and it was very disappointing to

hear him skirt the issue entirely, but let's make sure that there is some way of knowing who these folks are and right now there isn't, even according to the fbi director director, they don't have any way to know. >> what would it take to create a vetting process that would make you feel comfortable? >> i'm not sure that there is a way to do it anytime in the near future. that's why i say these refugee camps need to be in the middle east. they need to be closer to the area where these people -- >> well, they aren't. jordan is overflowing, turkey is overflowing. the problem is -- >> well, it's a -- >> what would you do to -- >> well, the saudis have taken -- for one thing, we have allowed them to push us around for dozens of years. they've gotten obscenely rich by selling us oil. for that, we get virtually nothing. they offered to build about eight mosques in germany. that's really generous of them. but i think it's high time that the saudis and the kuwaitis and the uae decide that they're

going to step up and be real players in the world, because if they don't, radical islam is going to crush their governments and all of the extraordinary prosperity that they have enjoyed for these many years, because there is no love that the radicals have for people who have just gone and made a lot of money -- >> would you see that we're better at assimilation than europe is? and that may be our vetting process has worked, considering we haven't had one of these situations? >> actually, i would say that we have. we had oklahoma city, a beheading. we had little rock, which wasn't an assimilation area, but it was a radical issue. >> it was homegrown. >> we had the bombers of boston. those were -- >> homegrown. >> -- people who came here from chechnya. >> they were little kids. >> they migrated here. >> they were homegrown, sir, in many ways. >> but they came with an intense

desire, one even became a citizen. he really assimilated, until he blew up the boston marathon with a pressure cooker. look, how much is too much? right now we've got people on the yale campus that are afraid of halloween costumes and we're trying to accommodate them? i think we ought to accommodate the fact that there are americans who don't want their grandchi grandchildren and their children blown though smithereens or shot when they go to school. >> all right, governor mike huckabee, i'll leave it there. appreciate you coming on. thanks. >> you bet. we just learned this from house majority leader kevin mccarthy. he wants the house to vote on this issue regarding syrian refugees and the funding to place them on thursday. and of course it's not just republicans calling for new restrictions on refugees. senator joe manchin calls me on his call for new restrictions. we'll talk to him after the break.

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we're updating our map when it comes to the syrian refugees. you can now add south dakota to the list of states whose governors say they would prefer not to accept syrian refugees. whether they can do that or not, of course, is actually not clear. but the issue does cross party lines. former governor and current senator joe manchin of west virginia signed a bill saying no syrian refugees should be accepted unless the u.s. government can guarantee with 100% assurance they are not affiliated with isis. senator manchin joins me now. so, 100% assurance, you and i both know, there's no such thing

as 100% assurance in anything these days that seems like to me a way of saying, don't do it. >> two or three months ago, when we had this wave of immigration going on, i sent a letter at that point. i think at that time, the president said, we were going to accept 10,000. that was our moral responsibility. and i said, please, mr. president, before we accept these 10,000, don't relax this vetting process. i think it takes 18 to 24 months to go to the vetting process the united states has set up. and it seems to have been working. do not relax that. and i'm just saying now -- >> is there any evidence that they're relaxing o ining it, th? >> i'm hoping not. and basically what i'm saying is giving us 100% assurance that you are not relaxing these things. people are scared. >> no doubt. so you're saying we're okay if we continue this basically 24-month vetting prosper refugee, then you're okay to take them in? >> we've been told that basically, some people, we can't vet them, because we don't have enough information or

background. that person should be just wiped out and left off and not be able to come in. but if we have a vetting process and they have a history and we can do it in 18 to 24 months and they meet all the requirements, i'm not saying shut it down for the sake of shutting it down because you happen to be from a country. if you're coming to this country the same as my ancestors came, i'm still going to be open towards that. >> so that is a differentiator from some other folks here. i'm glad we could clear that up. let me start with where you are on the president's strategy in syria. you have been consider you've -- some people would call you a dove. you've been one of these that have said, it's time to get out. are you still in that, it's time to get out mentality when it ka imto iraq and afghanistan? >> chuck, here's the thing. i've said this. in west virginia, we understand the definition of insanity. we do understand it. and i said, if military might -- if military might or money would change that part of the world, we would have done it by now. so, with that being said, i'm

very encouraged by the talks in vienna this past weekend. very encouraged by those talks. if that talk is able to do what they anticipate being done, both in 18 months, have a transition, assad's gone, you have a regime that's stable, you have new leadership coming in, that gives basically the rebels a voice in this new leadership and we all turn our attention towards isis and terrorists, the other things have not worked. so before we put more troops in and more blood and treasure, with i think the diplomacy is going to have to work, chuck. and i'm very encouraged. i hope it works out. >> so you are -- that says you're a supporter of the president's strategy as it stands right now, assuming that vienna is something that happens. >> if vienna can happen, what i see right now, i'm supportive of that, because the other has not worked. and saying it's going to start working now because of terrorists is not going to change anything. the commitment i think the enemy has and terrorists have and isil has. >> anyway, i appreciate you

coming on. i know you have votes, you guys have been busy. senator manchin, always good to have you on. >> we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." it's been a busy week and it's only tuesday. stay with msnbc for more continuing coverage. erica hill will be live in paris right now to pick everything pup. welcome to msnbc live coverage of the terror attacks in paris. i'm erica hill. we are following several major developments at this hour. first off, german police right now scouring a stadium in hanover, where they are looking for explosives. they say there was a, quote, concrete threat situation there. authorities had canceled a soccer match set to be played between germany and the netherlands and evacuated the stadium. so far, we are told they have not found any explosives nor made my arrests. meanwhile, in france, police are asking for help identifying this man, one of the suicide bombers involved in the attacks. they call him the mastermind of the