defense secretary ash carter weighs in. it's 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 out west, this is "way too early." good morning, it's thursday, november 19th. i'm chris jansing. it's 11:30 here in paris right now. a day after dramatic raids played out all morning long. and now there are new searches right now in belgium, we want to start with the very latest news on the hunt for the terrorists in europe. british newspapers are reporting that belgian police are searching for french terrorism suspect mohammed kholued alleged maker of the suicide melts. and nbc news confirmed belgian police have launched six new raids this morning in direct connection with one of the suicide bombers from friday. for more we are joined by nbc live in molenbeek, belgium.

claudio, good morning. >> good morning, chris. as we spoke to the federal prosecution office here who confirmed six raids are still ongoing in several districts around brussels, including this one. we are in molenbeek, which is the place where a number of terrorists involved in last friday's attack were born, raised, and radicalized. now we just passed by one of the roads where that raid took place. it seemed to be over. there wasn't any shoot-out or anything like that. but we've been told that at least one person was arrested. now we've been told that all the six raids are in connection to bilal hafdi. he's one of the three suicide bombers that activated explosive devices outside of the stade de france at the stadium in paris last friday. but there was no connection, as you mentioned, with mohammed k., the alleged maker of the suicide vests. also this morning, the belgian parliament met to discuss new anti-terror measures. now they proposed a number of measures. 18 measures as a matter of fact,

they proposed to extend the length of time that a terror suspect could be detained without charge from 24 hours to 72 hours, and also invest $400 million in a new anti-terror package. chris? >> claudio lavagne reporting from brussels. thank you very much. we're also learning about the suspected terror cell french police engaged in a fierce gun battle yesterday. reuters reporting that the suspects taken down in yesterday morning's raid had imminent plans to launch new attacks in paris. specifically, against the business district on the western edge of the city home to some of france's biggest companies with targets including a shopping center. all this as isis claims to have taken more lives. a new issue of their propaganda magazine says the group executed two hostages from norway and china. and they printed a photo of what they say is the explosive device contained in a soda can that was used to blow up a russian jet over the sinai dessert in

october killing 224. now so far that claim hasn't been verified. and the white house told the daily beast for the first time yesterday they believe isis is likely responsible. the united states, mean time, announcing a $5 million reward for information leading to the location or identification of isis leader abu muhammad al shimali. the new york police department said it's aware of a new isis video with images of a suicide bomber in times square. mayor bill de blasio says there is no credible threat against the city and police commissioner bill bratton says people can feel comfortable traveling there for the holiday season. >> we cannot be intimidated. and that's what terrorists seek to do. they seek to create fear. they seek to intimidate. we will not be intimidated, and we will not live in fear. >> well, details are coming in about yesterday's violent clash between suspects and police just north of paris. where police fired by the way

5,000 rounds in one hour. police were led to the apartment while tracking a woman now believed to be the first suicide bomber, female suicide bomber, affiliated with isis. "the new york times" and others are reporting she was 26-year-old hasna aitboulahcen employed at a nearby company previously. nbc news has not confirmed that identification. and it's still not clear whether abdelhamid abaaoud, the suspected organizer of last week's attacks, was killed. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel has more from saint-denis where the raid took place. >> reporter: amateur video captured the moment. french police storm a terrorist safe house outside paris. tipped off, the accused mastermind of the paris attacks abdelhamid abaaoud and his gang were holed up inside. but the terrorists heard the police approach, and fired back. a suicide bomber, likely a

woman, blew up her explosive vest. destroying part of the building, and injuring five officers. that's when we arrived. >> police here still seem very tense. they have sealed off some of the area. they are shining search lights onto the buildings, down the alleys. there's a helicopter above. this raid does not seem over yet. s.w.a.t. teams used lights and lasers to point out targets on the third floor apartment. the terrorist hideout. a helicopter scanned the area. as more gunfire and explosions echoed in the street. some families were evacuated, searched, and told to stay away. as he hurried down the street, we stopped abdel in our al jazeri. he said he knows the owner of the apartment, claims he's an ex-con and drug dealer. he had guests, he said. who knows, maybe they were the terrorists. at day break, police officers still comb through the neighborhood, taking no risks.

troops were called in. but even after seven hours, it was still unclear if the paris attack mastermind was inside the apartment. france's chief prosecutor eventually broke the news to the country. abdelhamid abaaoud is not in custody, he said. but he did say a body recovered was too mangled to identify, and needs dna testing to determine if france got its man. >> and the paris prosecutor, francois molland say they are still unable to give a definitive number of the dead, given the carnage from the explosions. but at least, at least two are deceased. mean time, friday's attacks in paris have sparked worldwide security concerns about isis. in honduras, officials announced yesterday that five syrian nationals were taken into custody tuesday night, after being found with fake greek passports. investigators say they were on their way to cross the u.s./mexican border. honduran authorities say they don't believe the men had any

connection to terrorism, they were just looking to immigrate. and turkey's state-run news agency reported yesterday that eight people suspected of being linked to isis were detained at istanbul's main airport tuesday. the group was reportedly heading to germany, trying to migrate, posing as refugees. moscow, mean time, has confirmed that it is now planning a joint operation with france to fight isis in syria. this comes just a day after putin ordered a russian missile cruiser to the mediterranean to cooperate with the french navy. yesterday, french president francois hollande called on world leaders to unite in the fight against isis. but right now, president obama is not ready to partner with russia, until president vladimir putin agrees to plan to remove bashar assad from power. the u.s., russia and france have stepped up assaults on isis targets in syria in recent days. yesterday the pentagon released video of airstrikes on the terror group's oil tankers. and according to "the washington post" david ignatius, the u.s. has been conducting drone strikes for weeks now on isis members, who are said to be planning attacks in america.

here's what defense secretary ash carter told joe and mika in an exclusive interview. >> how can you assure the american public that there is, indeed, a strategy, and that the leadership role america is taking in the fight against isis fully addresses the threat that it poses? >> we have to defeat isil. we will defeat isil. you see the barbarism associated with this. and so it is something that must be defeated. >> so you agree with the french president that we're at war. >> yeah. >> request isis? >> i think francois hollande has said it very well. i'm glad the french are galvanized in joining the fight. >> of course, we'll have more of joe and mika's interview with the defense secretary coming up on "morning joe." on tuesday night in the philippines, president obama had some harsh words for republican lawmakers, and presidential candidates, who oppose allowing more syrian refugees in to the u.s. and now, some are firing back with tough talk of their own. >> isil seeks to exploit the

idea that there is a war between islam and the west. and when you start seeing individuals in positions of responsibility suggesting that christians are more worthy of protection that muslims are, in a war-torn land, that feeds the isil narrative. first they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates. now they're worried about 3-year-old orphans. that doesn't sound very tough to me. >> let me suggest something, mr. president. if you want to insult me, you can do it overseas, you can do it in turkey, you can do it in foreign countries but i would encourage you, mr. president, come back and insult me to my face. let's have a debate on syrian refugees right now. we can do it anywhere you want. i'd prefer it in the united states and not overseas where you're making the insults. >> is obama now a threat to america's national security?

>> i think he's a threat to our country. i mean, he must have some kind of a thing going. because, you know, when you see that he won't even call them by their name, after attack after attack and it's always the same thing, it's hatred. it's hatred. and it is exactly that. it's radical islamic terrorism. and he won't even acknowledge it. it's like they're coming out of denmark or something. >> donald trump there. yesterday in south carolina, jeb bush mean time outlined his national security platform, and strategy to defeat isis. as "the washington post" points out this morning, his remarks, quote, laid bare a policy that could ultimately result in a third president named bush deploying u.s. military forces in the middle east. >> the united states should not delay in leading a global coalition to take out isis, with overwhelming force, militarily, we need to intensify our efforts in the air. and on the ground.

while air power is essential, it cannot bring the results we seek. the united states, in conjunction with our nato allies, and more arab partners, will need to increase our presence on the ground. the scope of which should be in line with what the military generals recommend, not politicians, to be necessary to achieve our objective. >> well, it didn't take long for one of bush's republican opponents to dig up a quote of his from august when bush said he wasn't sure boots on the ground would be necessary. and john kasich tweeted, quote, it's about time. but while candidates like bush and kasich have been relatively clear in their calls for u.s. ground troops to fright isis, other candidates have been more cirque up specific. [ inaudible ] >> if need be, yeah. we got to get rid of isis. quickly, quickly. not for a long time. let me tell you what i really want to do. i want to get other people to put troops on the ground.

and we'll back them up 100% and we'll bomb the hell out of them but i want to get other countries. >> should the u.s. be sending ground troops to the middle east -- >> well, let's start by doing a whole bunch of things that we haven't been doing. isn't it interesting that suddenly our bombing campaign is more effective over the last three days. why hasn't it been more effective over the last two years? >> -- other candidates have called for? >> i think that there is much we can be doing that we have not been doing. and we need to do that. >> well the 2016 debate, to be continued. but up next, the latest from here in paris. where officials say that massive raid thwarted more attacks. and hitting them where it hurts. oil prices are up as the u.s. and russia launch separate attacks on the islamic state's oil supply. a live report on why some analysts say it's a critical part of applying pressure. plus, isis is bad, but apparently, not the worst. see which terror group is now considered to be the deadliest in the world. "way too early" live from paris

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back live in paris. and secretary of state john kerry is facing criticism for comments he made earlier this week, suggesting there was a rationale behind the "charlie hebdo" attacks in paris earlier this year. here first are his comments from tuesday, followed by what he said yesterday in washington. >> there's something different about what happened from "charlie hebdo." and i think everybody would feel that. there was a sort of particularized focus and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of -- not a legitimacy but a rationale that you could attach yourself to this somehow and say, okay, they're really angry. let me make my point as clearly

as i can. there are no grounds of history, religion, ideology, psychology, politics, economic disadvantage, or personal ambition that justify the slaughter of unarmed civilians. the bombing of public places, or indiscriminate violence towards innocent men, women and children. and such atrocities can never be rationalized, and we can never allow them to be rationalized. there's no excuse. they have to be stopped. >> now, here's new jersey's governor chris christie, who was quick to criticize secretary kerry's original remarks. >> he needs to get some sleep and shut up is what he needs. that's disgraceful. for the secretary of state of the united states to stand up and say that there's some rationale for what happened in january? these are the kind of weak, mixed signals that this administration sends, that helps to really, you know, make the

american people think that there's no one watching the store. and there isn't. this is the same president who's sitting around saying that somehow it's everyone else's fault. he's the guy who draw the red line in syria and didn't enforce it, didn't set up a no-fly zone or these refugees wouldn't have to be leaving their own country. >> isis, of course, is getting the most attention in the fight against terror right now. but the militant group is not considered the deadliest terror organization. according to the institute for economics and peace, that distinction goes to nigeria-based boko haram. last year the group killed more than 6600 people, and injured more than 1700 others. isis, in comparison, killed around 6,000 people, although it injured far more. and the death toll ticked higher in nigeria yesterday. authorities say two women killed, at least a dozen people and injured more when they detonated suicide vests at a cell phone market in that country's north. officials have indicated boko haram in the attack. airstrikes on isis in syria

threatening the group's most lucrative oil stream, oil. cnbc's steve sedgwick joins us live from london with more. what's unique about isis is that they are often or mostly self-funded. how much oil and profit are we talking about here? >> chris, this is absolutely fascinating. the group made $1.5 million a day, $1.5 million a day from selling around 40,000 barrels of oil. now it controls a region which controls as i say 40,000 barrels a day. it was as much last summer as 100,000 barrels a day. so even before the event and the airstrikes from the u.s. and france on raqqah and elsewhere in the last week or so, they've seen a diminished capacity because they've had land losses in iraq, in northern iraq where they did control much more oil installations, as well. but in terms of affecting the broader market, chris, at the moment it's a very small amount. the global oil market is around about 95 million barrels a day. and 45,000 barrels, of course, is a very small part of that, as well. what would really be very

interesting if i.s. were successful in mounting attacks on saudi infrastructure and southern iraqi infrastructure because between those two, massive opec players, they control around 14 million barrels a day. so watch saudi, watch iraq, and of course watch iran, as well. back to you. >> steve sedgwick, live from london. it is fascinating, indeed. thank you so much. we are back here in paris. you can see that the rain today has not kept people from continuing to come to the place de la republique where the memorial to the victims of friday's attack continue to grow. let's get a check on your weather now with nbc meteorologist bill karins, who is back in the states. bill, good morning. >> good morning to you, chris. and rain is the story here, too. yesterday we had too much too fast in areas of western atlanta. they had some serious flooding problems there. it has cleared up now but those thunderstorms did produce some problems. just keep an eye on that. here's some of those pictures of that rain. look at the stuff coming off the roof. this was pretty torrential stuff, about six to twelve inches in the streets. the storm system that produced

tornado, a blizzard, those pictures i just showed you, is now pushing to the east coast. so now it's going to be one more day of the storm, then we'll be done with it. so the forecast, travel delays are possible today from new york to philadelphia, baltimore, d.c., especially at the airports later on this afternoon. and even down in florida, with some thunderstorms. so here's a closer look at the radar. columbia, south carolina, just saw some heavy rain. that is now going to try to push up towards the raleigh area. that's probably your worst drive early today. also some scattered storms on i-10 in northern portions of florida. steady rain in richmond. steady rain in d.c. it's a light rain at that and it won't last forever as we go throughout the afternoon hours, the heavy rain will shift northwards. philadelphia your rain starts sometime probably around 8:00 a.m., 9:00 a.m. then it will begin to push through new england as we go through the afternoon hours. how about this, chris, my first snow fall forecast for areas like chicago, milwaukee and iowa, friday night into saturday, they're going to pick up enough snow to be shoveling come saturday morning in chicago. a couple inches. first of the season.

>> say it isn't so. thank you so much, bill karins. >> it's that time of year. >> yeah. still ahead, the human face of this crisis. amid the debate back in america over what to do with syrian refugees. the people who are just looking for somewhere to go. we'll be back live from paris in just a moment. this holiday, i can count on my going off list.again, and knowing right when my packages arrive. so that's two things. introducing real time delivery notifications.

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the latest development in the national dispute over the resettlement of syrian refugees in the u.s. played out yesterday

in connecticut. that's where the state's democratic governor, danielle malloy personally welcomed a young refugee family of three who was diverted to his state after they were denied asylum in indiana by the state's republican governor mike pence. pence is one of at least 30 governors who have said they do not want to resettle syrians in their state until security concerns can be addressed. also on that list, new jersey governor and presidential candidate chris christie, who said in an interview this week that he would not admit refugee orphans under the age of 5. new york mayor bill de blasio had something to say about that yesterday. >> i'd like to know what governor christie says about this. this is the cost of not bringing in people who are innocent victims of humanitarian crisis. this child's death was on the front pages of newspapers all over the world. this image gripped the world, literally. governor christie specifically said he did not think it was

aappropriate for small children to be brought in. is this what he wants to see happen to people? >> our nbc news new york affiliate sat down with one of about 75 syrian refugees who have been allowed in christie's own state over the past year. she says she believes america can help refugees like her without sacrificing security. >> america is heaven. i found peace. i found a chance. sometimes when i'm going to school, if i say good-bye to my mom, i don't know when -- if i'm going back alive or no. it's that horrible. they deserve better life. they deserve a safe life. >> the face of one of the people caught in the middle of this ongoing debate. coming up next on "morning joe," joe and mika's exclusive interview with defense secretary ash carter. it's his first sit-down since the paris attacks. plus "the washington post's" david ignatius with his reporting on direct action the

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they've been playing on fear. playing on fear in order to try to score political points or to advance their campaigns. it's irresponsible and contrary to who we are. it needs to stop because the world is watching. >> the president lives in a fantasy world. >> i think he's a threat to our country. >> i encourage you mr. president come back and insult me to my face. >> good morning. it's thursday, november 19th. we've got a lot to talk about today. with us on set washington anchor for bbc world news america and npr senior analyst cokey rob erpts. nbc news chief pentagon correspondent. boe