we warn them about their online life and activity because we're afraid of pedestripedophiles th from isis are like pedophiles. they are exploiting our youth, luring them to syria and the fate that awaits them is worse than death. >> mia bloom, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow, live in paris. coverage of terror in paris continues here on msnbc. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> good evening, from washington, this is "mtp daily" coverage of the paris terror attacks. the global response just in the last hour. we've heard from attorney general loretta lynch and fbi director james comey who spoke to reporters on camera and offcamera, declaring no connects between the paris terrorists and anyone in the united states.

justice correspondent pete williams will be here to let us know what happened when the cameras went off? nbc news exclusive. lester holt spoke with the french police captain who led last friday's bataclan's raid and took part in wednesday's raid in saint-denis. more developments in the syrian refugee debate. mack thornberry will be here why he joined nearly 300 colleagues, democrats and republicans, to pass a bill that would put new restrictions on how we would acce accept syrian refugees. a striking contrast today in the democratic primary between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. we'll explain later in the show. let's start with what just happened in washington at department of justice. a day after a new icy video featured footage of times square, america's top law enforcement officials seeking to

reassure a nervous public here at home. attorney general loretta lynch, fbi director james comey, held a briefing signed to calm fears that a paris-style attack is somehow imminent. >> we are not aware of any credible threat here of a paris-type attack and we have seen no connection at all between the paris attackers and the united states. the threat here focuses primarily on troubled soles in america who are being inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. >> while it may not be entirely reassuring to hear that the isis-inspired lone wolf remains biggest threat, comey says the fbi is using all of its lawful tools to watch and disrupt those threats. just a few minutes ago, secretary of state john kerry spoke out on the larger fight against isis after briefing u.s. senators usinging an alternate name for the group, daesh.

he declared they will be taken out. >> we're going to defeat daesh. we always said it will take time. we began our fight against al qaeda in 2001 and it took us quite a few years before we were able to eliminate osama bin laden and the top leadership and neutralize then as an effective force. we hope to do daesh much faster. we think we have an ability to do that. >> joined by pete williams. pete, we got opening statements from comey and lynch designed essentially for all of us to calm the public. cameras went off, then what happened? >> well, nothing really in departing from the overall tone here. and i think the reason they wanted to speak out is because they've been briefing members of congress, members of congress have been talking about little dribs and drabs of what they said. they pretty much brushed off the isis propaganda video, saying that's not intelligence, they

know of no intelligence of of a paris-style threat in the u.s. they remain focused as they have in the past year and a half isis keeps trying with a relentless flood of propaganda to get people in the white house might be willing to carry out attacks and that remains the focus of the fbi. what comey said is that they've stepped up a notch their surveillance of those people that they think perhaps the most likely to want to be willing to carry out attacks on behalf of isis. he put that number today as -- at dozens. we've been told the number is around 50. but that number hasn't changed since the paris attacks. comey said he's seen no indication that in the past days or weeks of a different nature of the isis threat, of people from isis, from overseas trying to come to the u.s. and plot attacks here, the question was because of the fact that the paris attacks seem to be exported from belgium into france. on the number of people who have

gone the foreign fighter issue, the number of people who have gone from the u.s. and associated with isis and then come back, he gave us an interesting, new number today. the number that the u.s. has always given is 250. but that's totality of people who have tried to go and unable to, gone and not associated with isis. he said that the number of americans or the number of people from the u.s. who have actually gone there, hung out with isis, come back, is in the teens. so that was an interesting thing that we learned today. and he said the number of these foreign travel cases continues to declean, that it's been leveling out or declining since july. he told us a couple of months ago the total number of cases in the first part of the year was six. so this -- that's some good news here, that this is not turning out to be the kind of magnet for people from the u.s. to go overseas and come back. the opposite problem, of course in europe where they are faced with overwhelming flood of these

people to try to follow. >> quickly, did they have anything on the passport honduras issue? why is he so sure it's still a loan wolf threat? wouldn't have the french -- would the french have said the same thing three, four days before the attack? >> no, no questions about the honduran thing. the people arrested in the airport yesterday? >> yes. >> frankly, the problem here is, i've heard from the homeland security department that it's not clear, they say two things about that, chuck. number one is, that the passports were so clearly stolen that, number one, they were picked up in honduras, number two, they would never have gotten into the u.s. no discredit to honduras, but the fact even the hondurans were hip to the fact they were stolen comparing them to the intel -- the interpol stolen database. secondly, they say it's not clear they intended to come to the u.s. there's some confusion about that. the honduran police seem to say they're coming here but some

homeland security folks who investigated said they might have been going gauatemala to work. >> why is he so sure it's a lone wolf issue? they thought it was lone wolf in europe as well, did they not? >> they've seen no indication of isis people trying to come here to do -- to organization attacks in the u.s. so the total model that they've been worried about and continue to be worried about is isis reaching out through social media, trying to find anybody in the u.s. willing to carry out an attack wherever they are. that remains the most intense focus for the fbi. >> pete williams, you've got work to do for nightly news. i'll let you go. the latest on the investigation in paris and the fallout surrounding terror attacks with the big news today, the ring leader of the attacks, supposed ring leader, abdelhamid abaaoud, was killed in that saint-denis raid early wednesday morning. this is far from over. new raids are being conducted

today under france. state of emergency. one in charleville, a door blown in to get inside the building and the search you're seeing here, about to show you, in the northeast suburb of paris, at the home of the mother of the suicide bomber who blew herself up during that saint-denis raid that killed the ring leader as well. we're getting a look at that bomber, hasna ailboulahcen, belgian media said she posted this of herself in june. she was abaaoud's cousin. we have a recording believed to be her exchange with a police officer during that raid. >> nbc's lester holt got an exclusive interview with an officer who participated in the raid, identifying only as

jeremy. he wears a mask to hide his own identity. he told lester how the raid unfolded. >> this was the first thing that went to the door? >> exactly. >> and it's obvious what happened. >> yeah. as soon as we opened the door, the terrorist, one of the terrorists, shot like between 25, 30 rounds of ak-47 bullet. >> and that's -- >> exactly. immediately, the middle of -- fell down because of the pain -- >> one of the officers was hit? >> yes, in the middle of the group. so we cannot take care of him, we still go. before, when we prepared, one of us get wounded or something, nobody stops, we still going. another group after us, ready to take care of the wounded officer. >> you can't afford to pause? >> no, we can't afford to pause.

you're coming, they're shooting at you. were you able to see hostages? >> first thing we saw the guys shooting, and a lot of maybe 20 -- >> on the floor? >> on the floor. a lot of them on the floor. so we were not -- we cannot shoot at that time. too risky. for the hostage. but we keep going, keep going, keep going. one moment there is some stairs, we didn't know about it. and the shield fell down on the hostages. so the first three guys were only without any protection and they still go. >> harrowing story there. the french prime minister said more than 600 raids have taken place in france since friday. unfortunately the threat is not going away just-released threat by isis, paris before rome. and the french prime minister also warned today, there may be the risk of chemical weapons.

kelly cobeaa joins me from paris. kelly, there's a lot of things to try to get our arms around. number one, how big do the paris authorities believe this conspiracy is? here they have, they think, the ring leader dead but raids continue. how large do they believe this cell is or was? >> reporter: well, that's the big question right now, chuck, because we have these two separate -- we have the attack and then we have the raid which happened yesterday. you're talking between those two situations, seven attackers in that initial attack on friday, eight arrested in that raid yesterday, now we're up to, help me with my math, up to 15, i believe. >> right. >> reporter: so there you have the numbers right in front of us. and then of course, the question is, how many others were there? you have salah abdeslam, still

being sought after, named as potential accomplice, rented cars potentially, and we don't know what other kind of part he played in this. you have the bombmaker, we don't know who the bombmaker is, but someone who is manufacturing these rests and knew what he was doing. you have the woman in the raid yesterday who we are hearing was a cousin of abaaoud's. i'm not really sure if french authorities are sure yet how wide this cell goes. when talking about, you know, 600 raids and searches over the past week, netting 60 people under arrest, more than 100 under house arrest, i think this is what they're still trying to figure out. how many people are we dealing with? and they're also trying to figure out how much other security services, other

countries' security services know because, chuck, sharing that kind of intelligence is a very, very touchy subject. >> it has been. i know the u.s. has said, apparently abaaoud, they think, traveled to germany, you know, how well do germany and france share their information. you see an isis video names rome. now italy involved. so this is -- this sharing issue, i assume, continues to be a challenge? >> reporter: well, there has been a lot of issues not just about sharing intelligence but sharing passenger data. this is a big story. in the past couple of months, if not year, about trying to create some sort of system where you can share airline passenger data throughout the european union and in the uk and the european union countries weren't able to agree on what to do with this, whether or not they should actually pass this. part of the issue was data protection and privacy righted. so they never came to an agreement just on sharing

passenger data. imagine, you know, expanding that out on to intelligence you've got a real problem. as a matter of fact, the french prime minister, i believe, today was talking about just -- maybe it was the interior minister, talking about just this issue, the fact they don't have enough information sharing within europe and this is something that they have to figure out if they're going to find out how these people are coming in and out of europe. >> as complicated as the privacy security debate is in our country, it's that much more so in europe. kelly, thanks very much. earlier, we played you a clip from lester holt's exclusive interview with a member of france's elite search and investigation brigade. more of his description of the friday night security raid on the concert hall where, of course the terrorists stormed a rock concert and kill 89 people. here, he details arriving at what he describes as simply hmt ell on earth. >> we get the call, first we saw

on tv something's going on. we get the call around 9:40 p.m. everybody, the team, came back to the unit, and we were on the scene at bataclan at 10:50. >> what did you see when you got there? >> first, we saw the -- we saw the uniform division, the street police, trying to do something at the entrance of the theater. so we tried to replace them. we took position at the end of the theater then discover like hell on earth, more than maybe 7,000, 8,000 people laying -- >> 70 oh 800? >> yeah, lay on the floor. ton of blood everywhere. no song, nobody screaming except some of the guys. no song. it was like a concert, lights

were on. and we discovered this scene first. >> people afraid to leave? >> yeah. nobody were moving because afraid of the terrorists. at that time we know that one terrorist had been killed by the uniform division, the first responders. and we tried to find two more. >> where were they? >> they were on the first floor of the left side. >> balcony. >> balcony, exactly. the balcony, so we -- we make a search to find terrorists, you know, check every room, every people we cross, and at time we left a lot of people ask us to help them because they were wounded, bleeding, and we have to say no, we have to find terrorists. it was difficult for the guys, for the men of the team, because you have to do all your best, you cannot take care of the people all around you. we have to work on them.

and we cannot do anything for them. >> you had to ignore the injured people for that moment? >> exactly. our task -- as soon as we find terrorists, you have the fire department, take care of the people. first you have to find and freeze the situation. >> your team goes up upstairs. >> yeah. >> balcony. >> on the left side. >> where did you find the terrorists. >> last door, exit to the backstage on the balcony. we approach the door. suddenly one of the terrorists on the stage, we don't know, ask united states to go backward. so i tried to stick with them and told me he wanted to negotiate. so i say okay, give me phone number. >> just to be clear, that officer, who of course we're calling jeremy there, was involved in both raids. the description that he was giving was only about one raid, the bataclan raid. apologize for any confusion it might have created the executive

director of the terror project and msnbc contributor. i want to poe back to what you heard from the fbi director, james comey, where he's saying that there's still continuing to no evidence of any sort of conspiratorial-type isis cell, that it's lone wolves that continue to be the issue that the united states has to deal with. do you have any other information that contradicts that? >> no, i don't have any at all. as a matter of fact, today i spoke to about 200 law enforcement in national intelligence officers at a conference, and that question came right up. is there any information? and i said, it not important whether there is a direct threat video. isis still has inspirational and aspirational attacks that they would like to carry out on the united states. so if one manifests itself, most likely, like the director said, it could be from someone who is inspired, and that's what they're seeing most of their

indications are, but on the other hand, we still have to be completely on guard for the infiltration of professional teams or a hybrid of inspired people and professional teams who could get together in the united states and carry out an attack. >> so it's clear that paris was obviously well planned. i guess what we don't know is whether this somehow, is there some operational center of sorts, you no, in iraq and syria where abaaoud was reporting to or taking orders from? that's part of the story we don't know yet. what do you -- what do you know or believe to be the case? >> well, i can tell you right now that the -- there absolutely has to be operational intelligence center, terror intelligence center, that is somewhere inside iraq or syria which is now going to be the external intel gans and terror

operations command for isis. the reason i say this is, we -- i didn't exhaust the study of the insurgency of iraq between 2003 and 2014, and the prior to the u.s. invasion, there was an enormous intelligence body inside of iraq, not to mention commando force, all of the baath party, there were external intelligence agencies. all of these people who survived insurgency are part of isis. believe me, there's going to be a team like that, and they will be organizing and forming plots and trainining agents and tryin to infiltrate them. >> malcolm nance, appreciate you coming on. the house passes a bill on new rules for syrian refugees. what's in it? trust me, if you read press releases you have no idea.

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two democratic candidates with different campaign messages today. hillary clinton spoke to the council on foreign relations in new york and had strong words taking the fight to isis. >> isis is demonstrating new ambition, reach, and capabilities. we have to break the group's momentum and then its back. our goal is not deter or contain isis but to defeat and destroy isis. >> bernie sanders, on the other hand, spoke about democratic socialism, describing his ideology that often gets thrown in his face as an insult. >> i don't believe government should take over, you no, the

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the bill known as american safe ashth passed by an overwhelming margin, so slow down refugees entering into the u.s. if you're confused about what this bill does, it's no wonder the bill does not involve the religious test, as some called for. what's included are layers of extra bureaucratic hurdles that make the process nearly impossible. so it doesn't technically shut it down, but it may effectively shut it down. it requires fbi director create a background check, that's difficult because rfbi doesn't have access to syrian directors. the director, dhs secretary, director of national intelligence all personally have to sign off on each refugee. each of the departments needs to issue monthly, yearly reports to congress on the refugees. harry reid dismissed the bill entirely. >> don't worry, it won't get

passed, okay. so next question. >> there's a renewed focus on the visa waiver program which allows citizen of european countries including france and belgium to enter the country with minimal screening. senators jeff flake and diane feinstein plans to enter bills. joining me now to talk about all of this, chairman of the house armed services committee, congressman mack thornberry from texas. so, let me -- let me ask you this, the bill that you voted for, do you believe you have effectively shut down if it does get passed, do you believe you've effectively stopped syrian refugees or slowed down the flow of syrian refugees. >> not either. i think what this bill does is to help make it more likely that a refugee from syria and iraq will not come here to attack this country. so the fbi director, as you mentioned, has to agree to the

process and then the fbi director, dni, secretary of homeland security have to certify that these syrian and iraqi refugees do not pose a threat to the united states and if they cannot establish that, then that person cannot come here. but the whole purpose is just to help ensure in the shore term especially someone from syria or iraq is not going to come here to carry out attacks against us. >> let me play for you what the president's chief counterterrorism adviser said to me yesterday about how many syrians get rejected from entering the country. here what happens she said. >> since fiscal year 2011 we looked at 20,000 refugees who were referred to our process by the u.n. of those, we interviewed some 7,000 and only under -- under

2,000 have come through that process. >> so she outlined 90% rejection rate. it's a two-year process. you didn't think that was thorough enough? >> no. here's what i know for certain, the -- our intelligence community did not think that terrorists were trying to mix in with refugees as they went to europe or the united states. for paris has proved that assumption wrong. so a common sense measure is make sure that if the refugee is coming from one of these two countries that we know they're not coming here to attack us. now, that does not solve the whole problem, as you point out. there's the whole issue of visa waiver, there's the whole issue of isis trying to encourage people who are already here to carry out attacks through the internet and social media and all of those other things. there is concern about the border, of course. so it's not an end-all, be-all

but it does seem to be a common sense step that deals with the problem we didn't think we had, paris proves we do have. >> and i would throw in student visas in there as well. >> absolutely. >> let me ask you one more quick question. the president seemed -- when he hit you guys for taking up this bill, he noted he's been waiting over a year for an authorization for what he's been doing on isis. you're on armed services. are we going to see a sped-up process to see congress put an authorization in place that is modernized from the last one. >> oh, i think we should. i have always believed we should have an authorization to use military force against isis. we would be further along if the president had sent us a decent draft to go by, which is always happened in the previous cases. nobody in his own party would even stand up for the draft he sent us before. >> why not send him one back? >> no, i think we should.

i believe you will see some discussions in the next couple of weeks about putting that together and to see whether we can get bipartisan support for that. i think -- >> you think there's new momentum on that? >> absolutely. i think the contusion puts it on our shoulders and we should do it. >> congressman mac thornberry, thanks for coming on this evening. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, fight against isis isn't just a military effort. we're going to look at group's unprecedented funding, how to stop it. wait until you find out who buys some of this isis oil. going to surprise you. candidates make isis and syria a major topic. the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.

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overnight, russian fighter jets pounded isis oil fields. actually clear sign that country's going after isis are not just trying to take out its members but also its funding last year the then-treasury undersecretary david cohen said this about isis' financial capabilities. >> isil is among the best financed terrorist organizations, leaving aside state-sponsored terrorist organizations, that we've confronted. >> that hasn't changed. other groups relied on deep pockets of barks, isis is another beast altogether. the organization controls territory the side of the uk and with it, oil fields and refineries, spanning two countries. and that oil is the group's biggest revenue source, 22,000 barrel of oil produced each day by isis-controlled territory earning isis $1.5 million per day. the oil is smuggled by boat on

foot, horseback, pipes throughout syrian and iraq. it's sold to middlemen who sell oil to buyers, like turkey. even bashar al assad has purchased fuel taken from his own country. against people he's supposedly fighting. joining me now "the washington post's" anna swanson who has done a lot of the reporting. that was shocking, learning assad, who supposedly fighting isis, we don't know if he real ily is or not, is helping to fun the organization. >> yeah. i think when it comes to oil financing, the situation is quite messy there. as you mentioned, oil is the group's major source of revenue, bringing in maybe $40 a month -- $40 million a month, according to estimates. but most of this happens through small-scale mobile refineries that are then sold around the

islamic state's porous borders, including groups in syria, southern border of turkey where the islamic state has been known to sell oil at a steep discount there. >> who is it that -- what kind of -- we say it's middlemen. do we know more about the businesses that they run, that they want to buy this black market oil? >> well, i mean, you know, i think one thing that's important to note is that the islamic state is very diversified in terms of its revenue sources. so these middle men that are working with the islamic state are one potential source of revenue for the group. but there are actually many others, too, there are people selling antiquities, looting and resale of other kind of property. so the group is quite diversified in terms of revenue sources. >> one of the bigger purchasers supposedly are folks in turkey. is it involving the turkish

government or is it private individuals? >> no, not officially involving the turkish government. this is something that's happening you know in a very sort of nonstate capacity in the territory towards south of turkey that the state doesn't have a very tight control over. and the u.s. has asked turkey to police this practice more and there are some signed that that is happening as well. >> when it comes to people that are -- you have your drug dealers and then the big drug people who are providing all of the drugs to smaller dealers and we busted dealers is there an attempt to go after people buying the black market oil? >> yes, well the u.s. is trying a number of efforts to stop the islamic state financially. i mean in the past, the way that the u.s. has combatted terrorist organizations is through the

international financial system and because isis, you know, has a large territory and generates so much of its own revenue from within its territory, like oil, that's much more difficult for the u.s. to combat. but it is, you know, trying to shut down the oil trade. it's also been bombing refineries controlled by the islamic state in both syria and iraq. in the past the group has been able to rebuild and keep reselling that oil, but more recently the u.s. is thinking about ways to inflict longer-term damage on those resources. >> anna swanson from "the washington post," thanks for copping on and sharing your reporting. >> still ahead, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, both gave big speeches today. clinton's on the topping of the moment, terrorism. sanders, it was on socialism. we'll talk about that ahead.

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could isis strike the west with chemical weapons? that became a fear. he did not point to any specific threat. know james comey says the u.s. is not aware of credible paris-type attack planned for the united states what can the u.s. do to stop plot like those attempted in europe over the last several months? joining me someone who has been engaged on this for a long time, studied middle east quite a bit, former senate majority leader george mitchell who of course was president obama's first special envoy to the middle east. senator mitchell, welcome, sir. >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> let me start with something you said a year ago, almost a year ago to this month, you were talking about how to deal with isis. the -- one of the first recommendations you made was there needs to be more human intelligence on the ground. it seems that that didn't happen a year ago, and we're paying a price. >> it's a very difficult proposition, of course, but i

think that the advent of technology, while greatly enhancing our data gathering capacity, has had an inevitable tendency to skew intelligence away from the more old-fashioned human intelligence mechanism, which tends to be hard to get, sometimes unreliable difficult to check but nevertheless invaluable, particularly dealing with organizations like isis. >> and there's some ethical lines you sometimes have to cross, no? >> that's right. poses very difficult ethical dilemmas. but there is a broader issue involved, of course, and that is how do we protect the american people and others around the world from the violent actions of people like isis who really want to tack their people back 1400 years to practice islam in the man that existed during the life of the prophet muhammad. essentially, chuck, a contest

between the force of modern life, those who want to look forward, except what science has told us in recent years and improve the lives of people everywhere, and others others, like islam, who want to take us back 1400 years ago. how do we meds the rise of this? i know nobody wants to say the administration, but they did. >> the reality is isis is not an independent phenomenon that came full blown out of the sky. it's a follow-on, and reflects an ongoing attitude that will not end. so i think it's a mistake to think of it as something independent of opportunities that exist and are widespread throughout the region. this would be a dramatic problem for a long time to come, chuck.

consider just these facts. of the 7.5 billion people in the world today, 1 in 5 is muslim. when the population edges toward 10 billion around mid century, 1 in 3 will be muslim. about 3395 billion, and most of them will be in areas with turbulence, poor governance, widespread corruption. so what we are seeing now will become the norm over time. the unit is involved. we have alliances and interests around the world, and we will be active, but essentially this would be determined by the muslim people themselves, whether they want to move into the 21st century or be capitalives of the past and go back to an earlier more barbaric time. >> the president phones you up

and says i need a memo on your recommendations, short term, in the final year, what do i do? the united states cannot be the exclusive, even is the dominant factor involved. we need an alliance, and we have them ready and willing. >> you just pointed out the problem. we have a coalition, except the coalition that we need. >> that's right. the ones in the region who are the most involved. turkey has the most effective military force in the region, but their principal concern is not isis, it's the curtis. saudi arabia has an effective military force that can be deployed. we ought to be working very hard, and i'm sure the administration is, to get them involved in a constructive way to sort out all these

cross-currents. finally syria remains a plays where eye says is established. and turmoil in itselves to to the -- and it has to be a resolution of the conflict in syria, as best we can, and other parts of the region as well. >> would you be putting a pause on getting rid of assad for now? >> no, i don't think we can accept the reality of an assad remaining in power. it's a huge contributing factor to the problem. the barbarism shown by isis is shocking, but it's no more shocking than the assad regime dropping barrel bombs on their own schools and killing their own citizens. >> it could be an either/or situation in my judgment. it has to be both. >> george mitchell, the president's first middle east envoy, appreciate you coming on. up next, how eye says is

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the par i attacks are shaping the way candidates of talking on the trail. hillary clinton outlined her plan, saying she plans to build on actions already taken. everybody says they want a coalition. the question is, how do you get it clinton said it will be a

mistake to send more troops to syria. that's the opposite of what jeb bush called for yesterday. bernie sander today said it's not america's job to lead the fight against isis, but it's what ben carson said today, when comparing syrian refugees to racked rabid dogs. >> for instance, if there's a rabid dog running around year naked, you probably will not assume something good about that dog, and you're probably going to put your children out of the way. it doesn't mean you hate all dogs, by any stretch of the imagination. >> casey hunt, this is a habit of his. he using shocking metaphors. i don't know how else to describe it. >> it hasn't necessarily gotten him in trouble. you don't hear that from people

who support him on the trail. the difference might be couple with his own background, his own struggled to wrap his head around thinks issues. i think you're starting -- >> i was just going to say, there was an assumption, conventional wisdom crowd, referring to trump and carson. trump, there appears to be an impact carson, though, does look like he has struggled with this. >> i heard a bit of that on the trail in south carolina when i was talking to voters who had come to jeb bush events. they did raise concerns about carson and his experience level. >> how much difference there between jeb bush and hillary clinton. >> i can't find it, either, except gerb bush was a coalition-led, he -- they sound so similar. >> you puff the speeches side by

side. if you other one gave it, it wouldn't have surprised you. >> they both want to be more aggressi aggressive, but both terribly scarred by the iraq war. >> you and i are about getting calls from the campaigns, how dare you compare our two speeches. >> thanks, chuck. we'll by back. erica hill picks up or coverage right now. welcome to msnbc coverage of the attacks in paris. i'm erica hill. the big headline the mastermind of the deadly attacked abdel abooud died during the add this is the suicide bomber who blew her