side. if you other one gave it, it wouldn't have surprised you. >> they both want to be more aggressi aggressive, but both terribly scarred by the iraq war. >> you and i are about getting calls from the campaigns, how dare you compare our two speeches. >> thanks, chuck. we'll by back. erica hill picks up or coverage right now. welcome to msnbc coverage of the attacks in paris. i'm erica hill. the big headline the mastermind of the deadly attacked abdel abooud died during the add this is the suicide bomber who blew her self-up.

and we have a video that you can hear what happens to be police talking to a woman inside. nine people are detained in belgium. nbc's ayman myohe dean. >> the investigation still continues d. forces carried out several raids. nine different raids and searching that led to the arrests of at least nine

individuals. they are categorizing these in two separate investigations. one directly linked to the paris attack in which three separate raids were carried out. that led to the arrest of two individuals that are currently being questioned. as of yet, no charges have been brought against these individuals. we don't even know their identities. in addition to that, six other raids were carried out in the early hours of the morning. those rates and searches were targeting association, parts of the vaccination into one of the suicide bombers who carried out the attack in paris. why that's an important distinction is because belgian authorities are saying if in fact they had people in line for questions, they woulded to go after them. once these attacks happened, they decided to accelerate the investigation, so perhaps down the road, we can see some questions as to why the belgian authorities did not bring in these people for questioning a

bit sooner and perhaps find out if they could have even prevented this attack. meanwhile, the belgian prime minister today went to parliament and asked for tougher security measures. those measures include more of police control than police checkpoints along the belgian/french border. he 'also ask for additional security personnel to be deployed across the country. he's seeking intelligence technolo technology. one of the more important pieces which has been proven to be a key part of this investigation, to track individuals who have traveled abroad to fight in syria or elsewhere and then returned into europe. they are thinking about even trying to put some tracking devices, perhaps an ankle beacon on some of these individuals. he wants to double the intelligence and security budget for the country. he's gone to pla parliament with a series of proposals to help his government have the upper hand to bring this under control. belgium has been the focus of

very intense investigations over the past several days, three of the attackers, including the ringleader carried belgian citizenship, and the others live there. as one european official said these were designed in syria, planned in belgium, but executed in france. you can understand why belgium is such a critical part of the investigation. >> absolutely and why there is such a focus. tonight news that he was in fact kin, in the raids in sanity-denis. kell kelley, good evening. >> good evening, erica. we'll tart with the new raid. it sharls in charlil, will 145

miles away from paris, on the paris will belgium border. we understand that they would to blast through the door. we're not being told yet what this raid was about, what they were looking for, what they were going after. no details on whether or not it's somehow connected to the paris attacks, the only thing we are hearing is that it is part of this broader state of emergency throughout france allowing investigators and police to conduct searches and raids more quickly, without going through the justice system without getting a search warrant. there have been 600 of these types of raids since friday, and what we're hearing is they're looking for any sort of ties to extremist ties to terrorists and illegal weapons. so this raid in

charleville-mezieres, yet another raid involving looking for links to terrorists. on to the-second apeaks. abdelhammond abaaoud, his body described being riddled with bullets and shrapnel. we know this is an incredibly violent and long-lasting read in the northern area of sanity-denis. the team leader, who went in on this raid, spoke to french television, and he talked about how they went in at 4:16 in the morning. they didn't have any sort of map of the interior of that apartment building, he said, but they did -- they knew which door they had to attack. they went up to the door, attached some explosives to the door, but the explosive didn't blast through, didn't open the door, and he said we lost the element of surprise.

if it weren't for that stupid door, his words, they would have had the element of surprise. it could have -- the raid could have gone in a much different way. instead, he said almost instantly is shots were fired by the people inside. he said that first initial gun battle lasted 30 to 45 minutes, an incredibly intense gun battle. he sid there were snipers posted at different spots. he said they used everything in their arsenal, drones to look inside, robots to look inside, of course the police dog who was killed in the operation, and he said if it hadn't been for losing that element of surprise, he said, it could have gone differently. erica? >> such an intense description and such phenomenal details they were giving so quickly. kelley, thank you.

tomorrow while we have heard some harrowing accounts of what happened inside the le bataclan theater, we have an account from one of the officers that helped end that nightmare. lester joined me earlier to talk about the interview. we have not heard about the people who helped to get them out. >> about how this ended. it involved a group call the bri, like the s.w.a.t. team here, in paris. they were called to the scene. by the time they had gotten there, police had killed one of the attackers, but they weren't equipped to go in. this team had the task of flushing out the remaining attackers and trying to rescue people. they hear sirens and see people there, and ultimately they have to make their move against the hostage-takers. they had some communication with

them. there was not quite negotiations. it was more rhetoric from the terrorists, ultimately they made the move using a big ballistic shield. here's how they explained it went down. >> we took position at the end of the theaters, and then we discover like a -- more than -- maybe seven, 8,000 people were laying open. >> maybe 700, 800? >> yeah, laying on the floor the tons of blood anywhere. nobody was screaming except some of the guys, but -- and a lot of light, because it was like a concert. every light was on, and he we discovered the scene first. >> were the people afraid to leave? >> nobody were moving, because they were afraid of the terrorists. >> what happens after that, is they start moving down the hallway, essentially corner the attackers. they said it was a dead-end, one

sets off his suicide vest, kills himself. no one was hit by that. the other within apparently tried to, and police shot and killed him. even this it wasn't over. there were people hiding in different rooms on the roof. they had to convince them we're the police, it's okay. and then after that, they were able to assess what they had seen in the theater and come to grips with that horror. >> can you imagine the process is still ongoing. we'll be watching for more. lester, thank you. >> all right. such an incredible interview. we do want to point out the man's face was covered for his own security. joining us is laura haim, and steve clemmons from "the atlantic." laura, i want to start with you, one of the questions get so much dada, and that is hout abaaoud ended up in france. there was the thought he was in

syria and to find out he had come to europe and then bothing how easy it was to travel around, you have a bit of a timeline, i understand. >> yes, it's interesting to see how he was about to travel not only from syria to france, but to belgium, probably to greece, and people close to the investigation are asking how he did it. according to our sources there are two ways. he might have gone to greece, and with regular passport crossed very easily at the border, or he might have used a group. we don't know. we just know and that's what the investigators were telling me that, inside the carriage was full -- when isis arrived, but some buildings were still up, especially a city wall, partial isis people were el to find

german passports, so basically they took virgin passports, put them in, and a lot of investigators believe now that it's part of the isis brand, to go to those type of buildings, take those passports, give those to the tourists so the tourists have fake european passports and are able to travel through europe. >> amazing to think about that. as we mentioned, he was seen boasting online how easy it was to travel. where do we stand in terms of addressing that issue here in europe? >> i think this is one of the things animating part of the far-right political movement, that the schengen agreement

needs to be reconsidered. once you're inside jump, with you all know from being there, it's very easy to move from one place to another. >> we talked about the state of emergency and how that could affect things for the next 90 daze, is there anyone win those measures that could make it easy for some sort of border patrol to stop people from cometic in or leaving? >> we don't know. you are right from that -- and what i want to tell you is in front there's a political debate going on, which is exactly similar to what's happening in america between the republicans and the president. in france, in three weeks oar going you have to regional elections. the far right is making the push

can -- and it's fascinating a at this moment to lynn to what he has to say, trying to do something with the syrian refugees coming to europe. the debate is now a global debate among politicians to see how we can serve the refugees crisis. the refugee crisis is dominating now the political debate, and to watch precisely how abaaoud was again to travel through europe is mesmerizing. >> it is interesting when you maybe that comparison, something we have seen a lot this week, how it's playing out very similar, similar to the way we're seeing it play out in the u.s. >> as laura just said, this is what we have seen brewing inside hungary, sweden, other parts of france, the united states. what is eerie is when you go back to pre-world war ii views

about raye, ethnicity, the outsider. it has eerie recollections of that time, as we've seen incidents in paris, they're turning over more and more rocks and finding a much more substantial network of really evil-doers, people willing to kill themselves and many other people on the way out. the more that unfolds, the more the attempt to bring those walls up, that politics of wanting to be isolated and cut off. >> how much can you bring up the walls and isolate if a number of what are referred to as home-grown, people who grew up in these countries. so when you're dealing with that, steve, does building those walls really have an effect. >> what ives impressed by,

inside france, muslims living inside france, basically saying what these islam imposters have done is undermines thing, essentially tainting islam and they don't support it. it's also important to remember that 99.99% of muslims living in france want to cast out and show this. you see more and more of that, basically saying they have a responsibility themselves to push those people who want to affiliate with radical terrorism out of their communities. >> laura, as you mentioned, an election here in three weeks. do you think the attacks from friday night are going to change the outcome of that election? >> yes.

>> do you think this would influence some of those votes? >> yes, that's also why hollande is on a very thin line at the moment. he's coming to washington next tuesday to see president obama, but there's an election going on in france at this moment. it's an extreme controversy. the far right -- on another point very quickly, i want to talk to you about something which is chilling, and that went on this afternoon, about abaaoud used the family structure and something also to take into consideration when you talk about terrorism operating in europe. laura haim, and steve clemens, thanks again. fran is set to extend the state of emergency for three months as it torque who root on you militants.

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. french president hollande haw vowelsed to be merciless. the state of emergency is for three more months. a lower hughes approved that bill. it would nabbed curfews, ban public gatherings, close in public places and enable search and seizures.

if the frat approves it, the emergency measures will go into effect immediately. to help us make more sense of this, for the people at home, what would be the most important change if this goes through? >> they're pretty big change that get the this morning to carry out searches to hot people to under house arrest. i think we're at 600 raids since the attacks. they will continue to go on through the end of february. we expect the senate to back what the lower house agreed to today, almost unanimously. there were very view who voted against it. the mood of the moment is action needs to be taken the powers are extremely strong, and that the period asked for, three months is extremely long, much longer

than what the law provides so far. there's a sense that something needs to be done to make sure this doesn't happen again. so the strong powers have been granted for three months. the people are looking very closely to see what hollande does with them. >> we remember after 9/11, the p.a.t.r.i.o.t. act, a fair amount of legislation that was pushed through because of tenor of the moment. >> it's the same kind of debate. you have this debate always between security and the protection of civil liberties. we're having it in france at the moment. of course, the shock of what happened a wee ago tomorrow, the government could almost get through, about you it's precisely that kind of debate. people are saying we're making the same mistakes that the united states made, and particularly the idea that beyond asking for a simple extension of the state of emergency, you might seek to

change the constitution in the heat of the moment in order to allow the president to take future action without having -- -- >> but is that dug to happen? that part of it. >> it is at the moment. this is extremely controversial. they're making most of the fact they have this cross-party support, the support from the public. the poll today says 94% of the french public backs what hollande is asking for, but quickly people will want to see the resumption of the northerlially power. we're still -- the people will want that to happen fairly quickly. the -- yielded hundreds of people, and an arsenal of weaponry has been found in various locations around france. clearly people will be wanting to see authorities move ahead with that, rather than hold back.

>> this brings us to the end of february. if we get to that point, is this the kind of extension that could be extended again? or are you thinking they won't need more than that? >> i think beyond that, we'll have trouble. it should be time to reflect, though and make sure everything is secured. the questions will be about what france did -- europe is -- have been capable of where they failed. take, for instance, abdelhamid abaaoud, we're finding out tonight at no point did european authorities tell them that he had come back. it was assume that moroccan intelligence got the tip-off. >> so the idea that france cannot count on the european partners with whom it's shared space in which there are no borders is hugely worrying to a lot of people, and one of the

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people, our infrastructure, and our way of life. >> the threat here focuses primarily on troubled souls in america who are being inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. >> we want to bring in evan coleman senior partner at flash point global partners. good to have you back with us tonight. when you see the latest video, we know they're propaganda videos. we talked a little bit last night about the lone wolf that could be inspired. is that the biggest concern? >> it is. primarily what we are talking about here in the u.s., the people investigated, that have come to the attention of law infers muppet you're not talking about large elaborate networks, you're not talking about sneaking back and forth. we have not seen any instanceses of that, and isis hasn't

suggested that's the case. most of them don't even get to syria or iraq. they're receiving advice, they're receiving instructions, but in most cases, they're operating largely on their own agenda. if they carry out an attack, that maybe be after being incited by isis and being given instruction, but ultimately it's difficult to say whether this is coordinated terrorism, or simply inspired by isis's message, but there isn't a large organize the network that we have seen yet. >> that message, of course comes from the group that is highly skilled, frankly, when it comes to uses social media. we've talked about that a fair amount in the past. there's been a push to sort of counteract that with its own bit of propaganda. is that the best way to fight

it? >> it might be if we came up with the right recipe of what propaganda could lure in the people, but unfortunately i'm afraid number one, the people attracted to the message are sociopaths. i'm not sure there's any message we can really give that will effectively reach those people. nonetheless there are thing to do that we can find radicalization. one of those things is very important that we make sure muslims living here in the united states feel welcome, feel like they're part of society, that they have the same rights and same liberties as any other american. the moment we start trying to infringe on that, not only do we do ourselves a disservice, but we're losing the war of ideas. we keep thinking about this as a military battle. this is a battle for hards and minds. the reason why france and belgium have bigger problems with terrorist recruitment is there's more alienation, and

less integration in that society, or in those societies. what we are doing here is feeding directly into that. we're doing exactly who isis would love for us to do. if you want to find out what hurts isis recruitment, treat muslim with the fair respect they deserve. don't call each of them a terrorist. >> that's a lot of what we see and hear in europe, as you point out, the talk of the home-grown terrorists who grow up here, but never feel this is their home. in many ways, some people saying that pushes them to seek something out. evan coleman, always good to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. france is calling for the united states and --a to form a collision. after years of distrust, can the nations work toy. hillary clinton calling for the u.s. to intensify its efforts, the steps she's suggesting in her new strategy.

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we're going to defeat daesh. we always said it would take time. we began or fight in 2001, and it took is quite a few years. we hope to do daesh much faster than that. >> secretary of state john kerry. he used the name daesh, that's typically how it's referred to here in france as well. president obama and president hollande will meet next week at the white house, and from there hole lawn hea hollande heads to russia to speaking on the same issues. the big question now, though, whether the three parties can cooperate. there's russia's cozy relationship with syria's

leader. secretary of defense ash carter says it's possible. >> you ask, can we work with the russians? well, it's possible, just possible that in time we will be able to do that. but the russians got off on the wrong food in this. they started out with a strategy that was deeply mistaken, and doomed to fail. that was to not fight isil, which is what they said they were going to do, but instead to support of government of bashar al assad. joins us now, nicholas burns, former ambassador. the simplest question, is can this partnership of three work? >> i think secretary carter is right, it all depends on the russians. they've been directing their firepower against -- very little

against the islamic state. if they have admitted that this plane was brought down by -- then they have a direct reason to go after the islamic state. if they did that it would be more productive member of that coalition, but there are other pont countries here. turkey is critically important. turkey has bombed the syrian kurds and the arab states have not done much, frankly against the islamic state. the gulf state are more focused on yemen, so i think one of the challenges for president obama, and he understands it, of course, is to weave together a much more cohesive and powerful coalition. >> that does seem to be a constant issue. it seems coming back up, we need a broader, more focused engagement from those borders arab nations. what is going to change that? what could bring them in on a

level that's meaningful and impactful? >> i think frankly pressure from the united states and now from france, because france has a direct interest of what just happened to the french people. this is one of the comparative advantages that the united states has, we otread influence, it does take focus, the president and the secretary of state to put this coalition together. if you look at the speech that hillary clinton gave today, she's very tough-minded. she's proposing a big coalition with more assistance, military assistance to the sunni fighting groups and kurdish fighting groups with more intensive astrikes. i think we can see on you this would work, and a lot of strategy was embedded in her speech today. she was was very clear, russia is making things worse. does that rhetoric help or hurt this coalition as you're trying to put it together? >> i think it's a challenge to the russians. the russians need tough love right now from all of us, from

the united states government specifically. they need to understand that if they don't change, they're not going to be part of any effective coalition. what's also at work here, i think president putin would like relief from sanction over ukraine. maybe he thinking by engaging in a partnership with the u.s. and france that's one way to do it. i don't think that's right. i don't think we should play that game. in he's going to be part of the coalition, he's going to have to earn it ode. >> those are the sanctions, of course you were talking about that were put into place after the annexation of crimea. appreciate your time and your insight tonight. >> thank you so much. thank you. coming up, as we just referred to hillary clinton outlines her straek, so what are her plans? and what is the leading republican donald trump proposing on his end? plus honoring the victims of the terrorist attacks. we'll share some of their stories when we return.

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baghdad needs to accept, even embrace arming sunni and kurdish forces in the war against isis, but if baghdad won't do that, the coalition should do so directly. we should immediately deploy the special operations force president obama has already authorized and be prepared to deploy more as more syrians get into the fight. we should also work with the coalition and the neighbors to impose no-fly zones that will stop assad from slaughters opposition and civilians from the area. only the understanding can mobilize common action on a global scale. that's exactly what we need. the entire world must be part of this fight, but we must lead it. republican front-runner donald trump also offering up his ideas, highlighting a sharp contrast. >> we've got to get rid of ice sill, quickly.

let me tell you what i really want to do. i want to get other people to put troops in the ground. we'll bulk them up 100% and bomb the hell out of them. joineding news is david fournier. good to have you with us. "new york times" called hillary clinton's speech a remarkable break with the administration, and noting that clinton seems to align her strategic approach with more closely with those of russia and iran. clearly a slightly different approach from mrs. clinton to the current president. how could soming like this play out? >> it's good to hear her talking about some of the things she talked about, arming groups on the ground, extorting other efforts that will ma make a difference. like a no-fly zone. that's been in the shadow of the administration up until now with

regard to a plan for fighting isis. i would notice say it moves her closer to iran our russia. she has not said she supports keeping assad in power, and that's a major difference between the obama administration, russia and iran. that continues to be a difference with respect to fighting isis and the strategy for syria. so she is talking about some good things, and starting to give some details that could lead to a plan that would be more effective for fighting isis. >> and we alsola listened to donald trump. he also called president obama a threat to the company. he also talked about his plan. are there nuggets in that plan that could be effective? >> i would really call what donald trump has done so far is a plan. it's mostly sound bites. he wants to bomb the hell out of isis, that's great, but we already are. that's not a plan. what he should be thinking about and talking about is how do we

build indigenous forces on the ground, how do we support them better, training them better, build a sunni opposition in syria and iraq that will have legitimacy, so people in the areas have something to turn to. those are the types of things that are planned. so far it's just sonde bites from trump. >> a recent bloomberg poll shows that isis and terrorism are two of the most important issues for voters. 14% said terrorism. so clearly it's not just we're imagines its important to americans, it is important to voters. how will these two plans resonate with american voters? >> it's going to be an important issue, something like the paris attacks really brings it into focus, and the american people are fearful when they seed what happened in paris. the candidates will be evaluated

based on their plans, and also based on their experience. hillary clinton will likely continue to be the front-runner. what she says is going to be very important for he in attracts voters and for developing the policy. it likely will also impact the administration. we don't know if donald trump will you the front-runner going forward. if he is, he's going to have to develop more details, more experience, with a better base of knowledge to convince people he can be effective. particularly because he didn't have any foreign policy experience. >> so push him to give more details. david, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you. still to come here from paris, tonight we remember some of the victims of the attack. we'll pay tribute to their memory, heat. ahead. ry notifications. sign up at myusps.com

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we are back now with continuing coverage of the attacks in paris. one satire line that for sometimes doesn't get as many headlines as we move forward are the victims. up next, almost a week after the attacks, we are learning more about those who lost their lives. 129 killed, hundreds more injured. tonight we remember them.

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finally tonight we remember those lost in the attacks here in paris near le one week ago. 129 people were killed in the series of attacks, hundreds more injured. each day we are learning more details about those who lost their tlims. sisters lice alima and hoda, their dinner was interrupted. their brother who was also with them survived. at that same restaurant. she was going to be married in just three weeks. family members traveled here to paris so she could be buried in her native company. at the le bataclan, the mother of a 17-month-old son. her husband shared a moving her on facebook and addressed it to the attackers. he read it for the bbc, and they

put it together in a moving tribute. >> on friday night, you stole the life of an exceptional being. the love of my life, the mother of my son. i do not know who you are, and i don't want to know.

it is an incredibly moving video. it's hard each time you watch it not to be moved. it's been shared so many times on facebook, really looking to the strength in that letter. of course his wife was killed at the bataclan. the mehmetia there, and i think i said this the other night has been the most moving we have seen since we arrived. it doesn't mean the others are not moving, but the raw emotions we have seen every seen every single day at the bataclan. tonight we were there. there were couples hugging one another, and people i noticed just sort of stare at the bataclan, many of them covering their mothu mouths many with tears in their eyes. they don't have words, so they bring their tribute, their flowers and their signs. many people bring their hope. there are a lot of really moving

lerds there. as we've talked so much in this week, these memorials are also signs of the resilience of the french people, of their determination to continue their lives. as we saw in that her, to find happiness in some way each day. thank for joining us. our coverage continues right ahead. i'm live in paris. "hardball" starts right now. \s. the terrorist ringleader is dead. this is "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington tonight we in the u.s. get confirmation that the police have killed abdelhamid abaaoud. the attack that slaughtered people last friday night. extending first-time