at nbc news, thanks due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. follow lockup producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with the scenes you've never seen. lockup: raw. in the united states prisons only house offenders who have actually been convicted and are serving their sentences. whereas the majority of jail inmates have only been charged with crimes and are awaiting

trial and the resolution of their cases. though jails and prisons are different, they do share things in common. including how they deal with rule violations. >> in almost every episode of lockup you'll see an inmate go into segregation or solitary confinement, the most common method prisons and jails use for disciplining inmates. it's also one of the most controversial issues in all of corrections. >> most jails and prisons require segregation inmates be confined to single-person cells in hours per day along with other restrictions, those could be suspension of phone calls and other privileges that make life bearable. on our first day of filming at jail on long island. we met kevin suswell. he wasted little time in showing us he was a very strong man.

the nower and more modern of the county jails, the day rooms gave suswell plenty of room for his routine. but in the course of our shoot on long island, suswell was transferred to the county's older, higher-security riverhead cell. he was living out in tighter quarters. suswell, who is serving a year and nine months for criminal possession of a controlled substance got into trouble for allegedly smoking a cigarette, which is considered contraband, suswell said it wasn't him but another inmate. >> really didn't do it. they didn't find nothing, they just blamed it on me. it's messed up because you know, it's my word against another inmate's word against an

officer's word. >> suswell has had more than a decade-long hist wi the jail system. he's had several convictions and once served a four-year prison sentence for possession and sale of narcotics. >> i sell drugs, not a violent offender, not a rapist, nothing like that i try to get quick money and obviously i'm here again, i'm not good at it. >> suswell, come on in, take a seat. >> suswell has a disciplinary hearing with sergeant silvaggio and officer nicholson about the cigarette. the alleged violation could earn him considerable time in what's known as the boss or segregation. >> how do you plead, guilty, not guilty, guilty with explanation. >> not guilty, sir. >> not guilty. >> what happened then? >> i've never been through this before. >> yes, you have. >> three years ago. >> this isn't your first charge, we know, come on, man. >> i don't know, the guy said he smoked, i can't get blamed for somebody else doing something. i never had nothing in my hand.

they searched the cell. they never found nothing, they didn't smell nothing, i don't get visits, i haven't been in no trouble. i ain't never, you know what i mean? >> i see you haven't been in any trouble, but just because you haven't had a visit, doesn't mean you can't get tobacco from somebody else. and the officers clearly stating that he saw you throw it in the toilet and flush it. >> i haven't been in no trouble here, man, i'm not trying to get in no trouble. i never been through this, man. >> yes, you have. >> when? >> you really want to know, i'll let you know, back in 2000, you did 20 days in the box. in 2003, you did 13 days in the box. 2003, you did 31 days in the box. you had two other write-ups that you didn't come to the hearing because you were ridden out to nassau in 2003 and you got discharged to downstate. so no, you're not new at this it's just been a while. >> that's what i'm saying, i've changed. you haven't seen -- >> don't sit there and tell me you never did this before.

>> i haven't been here in years, you know, the room. that's what i mean. >> that's the right statement. this is about you smoking and flushing it while officer was doing a tour. it's not about anything else. >> tell you the truth, i really didn't do it sir. i would tell you if i did. with the explanation like you said. >> all right, okay. do you have any other questions, suswell? no? all right. okay. why don't you escort him back outside. >> we're going to jump back into 2 there. >> yes, sir. >> visibly upset, suswell waits outside while the officers decide if he will go to segregation. and if so, for how long. >> i haven't been in this situation, i haven't been nowhere near that for years. i haven't been in a fight, i

haven't been in no type of trouble. they have no type of troubles out of me. this is the hardest part right now. >> i think he was probably thinking of everything he was going to lose when he got locked up in segregation. because although he would have some time out, he certainly wouldn't have the kind of time that he was used to, being out and sometimes i think a lot of it is just that everything else is being stripped away from you. and now here's one more thing and something really significant. >> he was emotional. box is hard for some people. >> yeah. >> it really does, a lot of the inmates when we do give them the 20 days, it changes them it makes them think about doing another infraction inside the facility. with, with some people, they're comfortable in there. i mean this guy, if we put him in the box, he's definitely going to think again about lighting up another cigarette inside the facility. >> even though he's lying at us.

it's been a long time since he caught a write-up and he has been back. so what's your thoughts? i'm think about holding probation on him. >> it's very clear that he was not the inmate sneaking it in because i did check his visits and he didn't have any visits since '05. and i don't think he kept it since '05. >> he could have got it from somebody else. >> absolutely. he's not lying that he's not the one sneaking it in. >> i think he's lying about the smoking part. >> i think he smoked. i think if we put probation on him, as upset as he looks, i think he's going to -- >> it will make him think about -- >> twice about doing something wrong. >> this time, suswell gets another chance. >> we're going to put you on probation, we're going to give you a shot. i don't believe that you weren't smoking. i believe were you smoking and i believe that you flushed it. we're going to see how you act. we're going to put you on probation for the next 30 days. you catch a ticket for anything in that time, you'll owe us 40 days lock time. you stay out of trouble for 30 days and nothing happens with this. you catch a ticket, you get 40

days lock. that's it. >> that's it suswell, back out, man. >> thank you, sir. >> it went better than i thought it was going to go it could have went a lot worser. he didn't have to go that far, i guess he you could say looked out for me kind of. >> for nonviolent infractioninf suffolk county often used the probation option. which kept being inmates out of segregation. and the units themselves were much less isolated than others we've seen. >> it was actually nothing like any other segregation unit i had seen before. >> inmates were confined 22 1/2 hours per day, but could still communicate with each other and were even given time in an outside rec yard. it was stark contrast to the toughest segregation unit we've ever seen. with the people we love. for stuff we can't get anywhere else. and food that tastes like home.

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result in things like hallucinations, panic attacks, obsessive thinking. and we often find in prisons that inmates are in solitary confinement for months, if not years at a time. but what we're also finding, is that jail inmates are also spending more time behind bars. their trials are taking longer to resolve. and as a result, they're spending more time in segregation as well. >> when we travelled to the fairfax county adult detention center in virginia, we encountered the toughest, most restrictive segregation unit we had ever seen. >> you mess up, you're going to be punished and punished harshly, because they don't want you to do it again. and they own this policy and they teach it from the top down. >> why couldn't i just stay calm, man? that's all i needed to do. it sucks, you know. >> at 5:30 every morning we

remove their mattress, we remove everything from their cell except for a towel and a washcloth and one religious item. a bible, koran, whatever religious item they would like to read. they sit in that cell the entire day and at 9:30 at night we return the mattress with their sheets and blankets. >> the other part of what they do is the loaf. which is this vegetarian ball they bake. they make the inmates eat it three meals a day, six days a week. >> it is a nutritional loaf. it is vegetables, mixed with flour and yeast and oil to hold it together, baked in a loaf about four inches wide and six inches long? >> kind of like chunky water. >> we've seen segregation in various facilities. and you know sometimes you ask officers what's the policy about. and they hardly know, they just say that's the way we do it. but at fairfax, it was different. everybody i asked had the same answer. that segregation should be harsh. should be really tough.

because they don't want the inmates to repeat their behavior. they got them there. >> we have found the way we treat displenary segregated inmates very effective in controlling inmate behavior. when i started in '91-92, we probably had eight to ten fights a day. now if we have eight fights a week, that is a large number. >> when we met courtly curtis, he was a general population inmate who would later be sentenced to one year in jail for obtaining money under false pretenses. during the course of our shoot he got into a fight with another inmate over football. >> it was horse playing. you team is balm, never going to win. he got mad. he came on this side of the table and like kind of came in my face. so i was like, like this a little bit. but it attached to his face, i didn't mean for it to attach to him. >> your hand attached to him, like a magnetic force? >> yeah he was coming, i was trying to move him away but it just like this and it somehow hit him.

>> curtis, stated his case to lieutenant suarez. >> mr. curtis, you've been charged with assaulting another inmate. how do you plead? >> not guilty. it wasn't intentionally to put my hands on another inmate. but when i swung to get him, accidentally hit his face. >> your hand made contact with his face. >> uh-huh. >> it's reasonable to sort of think or call that that you hit him. >> uh-huh. >> whether you intended to or not, you hit him? >> it was horse, play, though. >> well, in this jail any sort of physical contact takes it beyond horse play, it's never okay or acceptable for any sort of physical contact with another inmate. any physical violence whatsoever. you understand this, yes? >> yes. >> i'm giving you 15 days ds. i'm suspending ten days of that ds time. you will do five days down here in the hole. try to make this the only time you get in trouble, all right? >> uh-huh. >> okay. now you can head back. >> our disciplinary measures, by

any outside eye are pretty harsh. when i explain them to my family and friends, i kind of get a puzzled look and i've always equated it to being adult time-out. go to your room, you can't watch tv, you can't talk to anybody, you can't read, sit and reflect on the wrong that you've done. it is harsh. but i think it's effective. >> we checked in with curtis the next morning. following his first night in disciplinary segregation. >> it sucks, man. came here 5:00 in the morning, took my mattress. i ain't know what to do after that. >> tell me about this pillow you made for yourself? >> it's my slippers and my inmate handbook and my tissue and washrag, it hurts my neck a little bit. other than that, it's cool. >> tell me about the food? >> it's a protein loaf that i'm not going to eat. because i don't think no human being should eat that. i got toothpaste and i going to open up my taste buds a little

bit. >> courtly was adamant he was not going to eat the loaf. he said he was going to eat his own tooth paste. >> we visited curtis on day four of his segregation stay. >> he we checked back in with courtly curtis, he seemed a little bit beaten down. i think the seg time had gotten to him and his strategy of eating his toothpaste didn't seem to have worked. he had succombed to having to eat the loaf. >> [ bleep ] man. how can they feed you this, man. >> every time i eat it, it gets stuck in my throat. i got to hack to get it out. it's stuck like the beans and the top of the hard stuff on the

bread, whatever it is they call it. it just gets stuck right here and i got to hack to get it out. >> the next time we saw courtly curtis, he had finished his seg time and he was up in a different unit in jail the one thing you hardly ever hear is that the food is good. but when he got back to general population, he was actually saying this food is amazing. >> that loaf is not cutting the deal. so i'm glad to be back. >> he was back to his sort of fun-loving self. you could tell the experience in segregation had had an effect. >> i ain't going back down there, man. i'm done with this. >> all right. coming up, a distraught inmate throws himself down a flight of stairs and it becomes

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most jail administrators we've talked to say they have no other resources besides segregation to prevent an inmate intent on harming himself or others. and while the behavior might be formed by years of outside influences or mental health issues, officers are not trained to grapple with problems best treated by psychiatrists. and mental health units are often underfunded and understaffed. at kent county jail in grand rapids, michigan, lansing hodges spent most of his stay in segregation, locked in a one-man cell 23 hours per day. >> i've been in administration segregation unit for four months now. there's not much to do, write, read, do a couple of push-ups and sleep most of the day. i sleep probably for like ten hours of the day you know. these are my flip-flops on the floor. people throwing feces and stuff.

i would rather not put my hands on the floor. >> hodges was serving time for convictions for domest being violence and for pushing his pregnant girlfriend to the ground and threatening her with a knife. within days of his arrival. he was removed from general population and placed in disciplinary segregation for two back-to-back incidents, in which he was deemed a threat to himself and to others. >> i'm in seg because i got into a fight and i have a violent history. and i can't, i can't leave because i got, had suicide watch because i threw myself down the stairs when i first came. >> then he went into the story about how he threw himself down the stairs. and the way he described it. i really couldn't believe it. i thought what do you mean you threw yourself down the stairs? >> hodges' story was true. lieutenant newman showed us camera footage of the incident. >> the officers out on the block check, which means that the officers are checking cells and mr. hodges will actually propel himself down the stairs and attempt to try to hurt himself.

the officers right behind there, calling for assistance, coming down to check on his well-being. >> hodges did not sustain any serious injuries from the fall. he said he had just returned from his arraignment. but the judge told him because of his charges, he would not be allowed to see his girlfriend or their son until his case was resolved. he says he misunderstood the judge's order to mean he would never be allowed to contact them. >> i was hurting man. you got to be in my shoes to understand. i would rather have physical pain than the emotional pain i was going through. the emotional pain was overruling everything else. act on impulses, i don't know what told me to do it, i i don't know, i can't explain it to you. >> hodges spent several days in the jail's mental health unit for observation before the staff determined it was safe to return him to general population. but before the day was done, hodges was in big trouble. >> mr. hodges is walking down

towards the bottom of the stairs in one of our general housing areas you'll see another inmate coming down the stairs that he is going to confront. and then he goes ahead and starts assaulting that inmate. and you see hodges does not comply with the officer's commands to stop and the officer has to take out his pepper spray and spray him. and that has no effect and he has to actually physically intervene and separate the two fighters. >> hodges says he was angry because he felt the other inmate gave him a dirty look. >> this again impulsive activity. i'm walking around, i never met the guy before in my life. i see him staring at me, i start getting real mad and i walked up to him and started hitting him and picking him up and slam him and [ bleep ]. the c.o.s came and gave me assaulting an inmate of 15 days. >> after spending 15 days in segregation, officials reviewed his file and decided to not

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total three years and counting. >> how long have you been in? >> not that long. >> carney has filmed in more than 50 correctional facilities and seven different countries. and she has met hundreds of inmates, coping with solitary confinement. >> they kind of run of gamut. i've seen people who sleep all day long and all night long. there's almost like this constant state of depression. then you see the ones who are just so, so needing to have their voice heard since they have no one else to talk to, they'll make a tremendous amount of noise, they'll kick the door, they're constantly screaming. mental health issues arise because you are deprived of what's so basic, and that's just interaction with another human being. and i think that that can cause a lot of negative effects on somebody. there's a sadness, to almost every segregation unit i've been in. in general dealing with inmates

who are in segregation, they require a lot more of our time and our attention. because they don't really get to engage with anybody for most of their day. >> such was the case with mark hinkston, who had his own opinion on segregation. >> i believe that administrative segregation makes you extra ultraaggre ultraaggressive, due to the fact that if they cage you like an animal, you will be subject to act like an animal. >> when we met him, hinkston was approaching his eighth month in segregation in cincinnati. >> the staff would describe mark as being one of their most problematic inmates. one of their most dangerous inmates. very violent and volatile. >> come in here and see what's jumping. >> when we interacted he was excited to see us, he was excited to have somebody to talk to he would light up every time we were around. >> those who have dealt with him

warned us, never get too comfortable around mark hinkston. >> we don't know from one day to the next what his demeanor is going to be. he has shown that he can become violent in an instant. >> i feel like i'm going to explode almost every day. it's really hard to keep my cool in this situation. >> hinkston had several violations leading up to his current eight-month-long segregation assignment. he attacked an inmate with a broomstick. threatened the lives of staff and made a shank. his latest violation was for stabbing another inmate with a pen. >> i ain't going to lie, he was stealing from me, i stabbed his ass as many times as i could. i will [ bleep ] him up with anything i get my hands on. i'm not just going fight you, i'm going try kill you if i can, man. >> hinkston was violent outside jail as well. he once served five years in prison for felonious assault and

had numerous other convictions including assault, drug trafficking and robbery. when we met him hinkston was awaiting trial on a new charge of felonious assault for shooting a man in the chest. he pled not guilty. but admits to having shot another man in the past. >> they say a coward dies 1,000 deaths, but a soldier will only die one, man. i'll consider myself to be a soldier, man. you not going to get away with doing nothing to me and kill a part of myself, man. i'm not going to let you degrade my moral self, man. >> jail officials say that attitude is exactly why hinkston must be isolated from everyone else. segregation cells in cincinnati have one feature that many others do not. >> he was from a neighborhood that wasn't too far from the window that he looked out. so i think when he looked out that window, it often would make him think about being free again and i think that helped him knowing that there was a

possibility that he could be out again. >> for hinkston, the window served another purpose, a way to meet women. >> one morning i noticed he had affixed toilet paper on to the window with toothpaste spelling out "big mark." this was at the front entry of the jail. all the administrative staff walked in. >> the plaza below hinkston's window was also used by civilians visiting the jail or doing business in county courthouses. >> and there's a lot of women that walk down there and mark said he was trying to look for somebody to come visit him and possibly start a relationship with. >> since i've been in this cell, i put my name in this window and i wrote it in toothpaste. i also sing one of my little play heads out there. just in case you don't know what a play head is. that's a little female that you run into and happen to establish a little friendship with. the one with the white and black stripe sweater on with the black

pants on. >> i be here for community service for four days now and he been bothering me. knocking on the window trying to get my attention. lock, he rapping on it right now. >> do you know the guy up there? >> no. he is crazy. >> what's his name? >> i want you. >> yeah, like no, you can't have me. >> she smile and she keep lock looking, she keep waving, it's been going on for three days now. >> you ain't getting the memo. >> why do you still stand here and -- >> i don't be having nothing to do. >> we're on our lunch break. >> i be waiting for my bus to come and stuff. >> i think it's sad, they might not have family that comes and sees him. >> aren't you afraid of getting in trouble. >> afraid of getting in trouble? what they going to do to me? what kind of trouble can i get into they keep me locked up 23 hours a day. what else can they do to me.

you feel me? it ain't much more they can do. >> but hinkston would soon lose his view to the streets of cincinnati. he was found guilty of felonious assault and was sentenced to 16 years in an ohio state prison. hinkston would not be the last segregation inmate we met with the long history of violence. or the last to make a connection of our production team.

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>> inmates who need protective custody are often sent to segregation because they face the threat of violence in general population and they wind up having the same restrictions, as the inmates who have actually committed violence find themselves in. the other part of the inmate population, that often winds up in solitary confinement are the mentally ill. oftentimes jail and prison staffs are ill-equipped to deal with the mentally ill in general population so they have no choice but to put them in solitary confinement as well. >> there's another type of inmate also frequently put into segregation, while not an official classification, they are usually described as institutionalized. as a result of having been in and out of jail and prison for decades and displaying difficulty in handling normal interactions with others. >> i'm institutionalized. ain't, ain't, i'm institutionalized. i've been in prison four times, you know. >> we met 48-year-old eric kelly, at the chatham county

detention center in savannah, georgia. he had spent who than 22 years of his life in prison for crimes included armed robbery, aggravated assault and making terrorist threats. kelly was back in jail on a new charge of possession of cocaine with intent to distribute. he had pled not guilty and was awaiting trial, it was a long wait. by the time we met him kelly had been in administrative segregation for 18 months for multiple infractions. >> according to classification and according to the officers inmate kelly is disruptive and there is almost always a case for violence. whether it's against him or from him. so they have deemed it necessary to keep him in administrative segregation. >> i've been in over 1,000 infractions. i've been stabbed, cut. all that makes you just more meaner, madder, crazier. it's called survival. when it gets crazy, you got to get crazier. >> kelly's violence earned him a

well-known nickname. >> i beat a guy so bad i took his blood and just -- did like this here, you know what i'm saying and i yelled. and right from there, i became well known. >> during our extended stay shoot in savannah, field producer jacob hector only saw the light side of dark side. >> it wasn't the person i was expecting to meet after speaking with him for a couple of minutes he stopped me and he said hey, thanks for talking to me that was like having a visit. and you know that stuck with me and that kind of says a lot about people that are confined in segregation. they don't have somebody to just to chat with a lot of the time. >> 23 hours a day spending this here, how it affect me? this here right here is more than, more harder than in prison. >> i liked eric kelly right off the bat, i know he had issues with some of the staff. but he was just very honest,

when we talked to him you know he made us laugh at times and to lear the stories and to hear the officers' reaction and then actually talk to him face to face and find out that he was a big taylor swift fan. >> i love you, taylor. i love you. keep up the good work. i love you. for real. you ever need a body guard -- kelly's here. >> just he makes you chuckle. you know, he's human. he's a human being. >> around everybody, man, you know, come on, man. man, they got me, make me laugh. >> sometimes he would have these huge prison issue glasses that he would wear and we would always joke about them. >> let's do this here, okay? >> are those for me? >> let me see you. >> all of these stories that show sort of a softer side of him. it's hard to imagine the dark

side that everybody talked about so often. i did see it the one day when he sort of lost his cool. >> he taking 15 minutes. >> kevin caught a glimpse of the dark side persona when he was shooting routine footage of kelly during his one hour out of his segregation cell. he grew agitated when he believed officers returned him before his time was up. >> you make my blood boil, you know what i'm saying. i'm telling you, don't play with me, i didn't do nothing wrong. this is how you make me, when y'all abuse your authority, you understand? this will take me back to the old days. >> i finally got to see the other side of him. up to then he had been nothing but respectful. >> kelly opened up to us about the impact of spending nearly a year and a half in segregation. >> this is going on 17 months right here. 23 hours a day spent in this here. sitting here, reading my bible.

and i just started meditating about mice life. you know, tears coming to my eyes. and benefit being locked down. could you think how long have i been in prison, in and out. what's wrong with me? what's going on with me, you know? i'm going to be here more knowledgeable, wiser and a better person. way better. >> i i think it was a very reflective time for him. i don't know if he would have gotten that if he was in a normal unit. >> you guys are good people, you make me smile, you make me laugh. i like being around good people. i hate this, i hate this, this, this ain't me no more, you know? it's not me.

>> our last day of filming, i knew it was going to be kind of an emotional good-bye. >> man. where y'all going back, man? >> leaving here in two hours. >> oh man. >> kelly wrote a poem. that the departing field team. >> we want "lockup," "lockup." brian, this strategy is picture-perfect, expert, captain all his job like 7-eleven. alex move like a rolex. the "lockup" crew know what to do. >> almost prolonged the conversation and kept coming up with more things to talk about. i think he just didn't want to say good-bye. >> i'm going to miss y'all, man. i'm going to miss y'all brothers, man, i'm going to miss y'all so much, man, man, you all like family to me, man. y'all like family. it's going to be hard for me now. >> he got used to having us come in every day. asking how he was doing and see what he had going on that day

and now he wasn't going to have that interaction any more. the one source of human contact he had was going away and i think it really hit him. quiet man. i miss brian, too, man. i miss brian, man. for real, man. all right? though at times kelly's future seemed hopeless, he got a chance for the fresh start he longed for. but it would be a very fresh start. following our shoot, he pled guilty to his latest drug charges and was sentenced to time served. but there was a twist to his sentence as well. utilizing the georgia law that allows for banishment, kelly has been banned from stepping foot in savannah or the rest of chatham county for a period of 15 years. the jail official who heard from him says he's resettled in another state and is doing well. coming up --

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just in 2014 alone, ten states made reforms to their solitary confinement policies. they restricted the use for juveniles and the mentally ill. and were likely to see more reforms for other inmates as well. >> one of those reforms, may very well have to do with placing limits on how long an inmate can remain in segregation. especially if they are already serving a significant prison sentence. christopher trotter would likely support such an idea. when we met him he had been in a windowless segregation cell at the wabash correctional facility in indiana for near lay decade. trotter wrote about the experience.

>> imagine for the last nine years, being entombed in a windowless cell. held under sensory deprivation in isolation from human contact, and only human touch you feel is the unwanted touch of prison guards. the conditions are dehumanizing, demoralizing and every day is a struggle just to keep your mental liberty and self-respect, which are the last two things they haven't taken from you. how long are you going to imagine that i don't exist? this is my life. >> trotter was originally convicted in the mid 1980s for petty theft and sentence fod four years at another state prison. but with only a few months left on his sentence, he became one of the ringleaders in a prison riot. one in which six officers were stabbed. four of them critically. two other officers and a counselor were held hostage for more than 15 hours.

>> i was found guilty of one count of attempted murder. one battery. four counts of criminal confinement and one count of rioting and i was sentenced to 142 years. and it was like, wow. i came in with four years. and ended up with 142 years. >> after the riot, trotter spent eight years in segregation. over the next seven years, he had several shorter stays there. >> due to his behaviors in the past, trafficking, extortions, intimidations, we consider him to be a risk to our safety. therefore he was placed on administrative segregation. >> based on those infractions and involvement in the riot. authorities finally had enough. trotter was placed in administrative segregation for an indefinite period. >> i call this my old man workout. he's locked in his cell 23 hours per day.

but when weather permits he's allowed into an enclosed outdoor recreation yard. >> twor who jumping jacks. >> jail administrators regularly review the records of segregation inmates. to see if they can released into the regular population. >> i'll be honest, there was a part of me that was rooting for him. nine years and to be in that unit with him and see what he's dealing with firsthand. you can't help but you know root for him you know a little bit to get out and give it a shot. >> but not everyone on staff felt the same way. >> if chris trotter comes out into the population, he's liable to hurt staff or offenders and this is my opinion. i'd rather not see him come out. but if they want to give him that shot, they've done it before and he's done it before. that's just his m.o. >> in his cell trotter's only communication was with officers or by shouting to his neighbor,

demetrius white. >> . >> this place does have a psychological effect over a period of time. being locked up 23 hours a day in the windowless cell. makes or breaks you. it's hard. it's real hard, you forget how to communicate. how to social interact. i refuse to lose touch with humanity. when you lose that. that's it. you're transformed from a human being to a prison being. and i refuse to be a prison being. >> today we're going to interview inmate chris tore trotter. he has served the better part of the last ten years on administrative segregation. and there is some staff members involved with the review status. who are in favor of placing him

in a general population setting to see if he can maintain. >> hey, sir, how you doing? >> we follow trotter to his review and two days later we were with him again when after almost ten years he was released from segregation and placed in a temporary housing unit that would transition him back to general population. >> that was some of the most torturous time i've ever did in my life back there. and it took everything i had to keep it from dehumanizing me, demoralizing me and institutionalizing me. it just strips the humanity away from you. a person is actually scarred, you know. it's irreversible. >> do you have scars? >> yeah. i have scars, but i've allowed them to heal.

my whole thing is to prove that after ten years, i'm not a monster. i am you. you know, i'm a human being, i had that choice. and i feel i won. i feel i won. >> he broke down. you know, he literally broke down. after experiencing that long in segregation. it's totally expected that he would break down like that. >> i used to ask myself, how could people be so cruel. it's over with now, though.

>> four years after our shoot trotter was still at wabash and in general population. >> imagine being buried alive in a windowless cell 23 1/2 hours a day. the sunlight hasn't touched your skin in years. you feel like you're living in darkness and humanity has been drained from your soul by the cruel and inhumane conditions being inflicted upon you. imagine being buried alive and being deprived of your basic senses of sight, sound, smell, touch and taste. you're faced with extraordinary isolation. complete idleness. and limited environmental stimulation. which pushes you to acts of desperation and paranoia. imagine being buried alive and losing your sense of time. you can't tell day from night. and each day passes you by just

like the one before. how long are you going to imagine being buried alive? due it mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> deputies respond to a possible gang beating inside a cell. but outside the view of surveillance cameras. >> it appears there's a physical altercation that's transpiring at this time. you can see the