tv Scenes from a Murder MSNBC November 22, 2015 12:00am-1:01am PST
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business. and that paris, one of the most beautiful, enticing cities in the world, is not going to be cowered by the violent demented actions of a few. and that's part of the overall message that i want to very clearly send the american people. we do not succumb to fear. that's the primary power that these terrorists have over us. they cannot strike a mortal blow against france or the united states or a country like malaysia, but they can make people fearful, and that's understandable. because that could have been us. that could have been our families. that could have been our children in these places. and our hearts are broken when we see these images.
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but in addition to hunting down terrorists in addition to effective intelligence in addition to missile strikes and in addition to cutting off financing and all the other things that we're doing the most powerful tool we have to fight isil is to say that we're not afraid. to not elevate them. to somehow buy into their fantasy and we fight them.
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and we beat them. we don't change our institutions and our culture and our values because of them. i want to be very clear about this. i am not afraid that isil will beat us because of their operations. when i see a headline that say ss this individual who designed a plot in paris is a mastermind -- he's not a mastermind. he found a few other vicious people e, got hands on some fairly conventional weapons and sadly it turns out if you are willing to die, you can kill a lot of poem.
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and so it is in our capacity to roll up those networks. now we have to take precautions, we have to take it seriously and we have to go at the heart of the problem that exists inside of syria and iraq right now. and we have to address the broader issues that exist in a tiny fraction of the muslim community but it is a real problem that leaders from prime minister in indonesia and others with muslim popations acknowledge. indonesia has a population of 2 million people and just a small fraction of those are attracted to the ideology like isis, that is a real problem for us.
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and tools of countering the narrative and muslim clairics and community leaders and making sure that our children are not being fed this vile that is critically important as well. but in all of this we cannot respond from fear. and the american people in the past have confronted some very real enormous threats. and we beat them. we vanquished them. this will be no different. kevin corke? >> thank you mr. president. i wanted to ask you about what secretary carter said about expanding the rule of engagement versus isis. what was that conversation like and what did we mean by that? and i always want to ask you
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about immigration. the high court is looking at executive action of immigration and you understand the sensitivity of it. i'm curious, are you where you thought you'd be in immigration reform and what do you say to family members who said we did it the right way and waited our turn in line. how did the other guys get to skip the line f you will. and also the attorney general announced eight indictments of those in mexico against sex trafficking. where is the fight in sex trafficking in mexico. >> you asked all those questions so nicely but if everyone is asking three questions, we're not going to get home. let me see if i can get through
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them really quickly. are the rules of engagement we are in a quiet conversation in the situation room how do we apply force most effectively go to after key isi lirks targets, key isil leaders, their infrastructure, their supply lines, by minimizing civilian casualties. one, it's the right thing to do. there are people who are caught up in mosul right now who are brutalized by isil and to the expect of those being killed that is a concern in any military campaign.
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and if we are not you can isolate what you need to win over. those are the folks that have to drive isil out, stomp it out all the way. the good news is that the u.s. military is very good at this. i think there had been circumstances where the military proceeds in steps and continually re-evaluating, maybe this is a situation where we can in fact take a strike without a lot of civilian casualties. with the recent trucks that were struck there may be ways where warnings can be given to drivers. many will not work for isil they may be just for hire or forced into it. but better abandon the trucks
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before we shoot them down. we are shooting them down. that is the conversation and that is on going throw the process. with respect to immigration reform i can't comment on the ins and outs of the legal case. i have said before and i will say it again. i'm confident that the rules and executive action that i put forward are squarely within the category of prosecutorial that is under a president's power and you have lower courts who disagreed but we think the past president is on our side. subsequently i have 11 million
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people, many who are working, paying taxes, and our co-worker, friends who lived in the united states for a very long time. we are not going to deport them despite what some political leaders would say. it would be contrary to who we are, it could be too costly and impractical. we want to do is allow them to get out of the shadows, get right with the law. pay a fine get back to the back of the line and hopefully be contributors to society. none of this would be necessary if we just passed the legislation in the senate with a bipartisan majority. and i believe the ultimate solution will be one that comes from congress.
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and during this political season it may be difficult for republican leaders in either the house of the senate to resuscitate that legislation. but hope is after the election they will. and i will do everything i can to the immigration ways in a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. and just very briefly with respect to sex trafficking, this is a critical problem. we take it very seriously. we have entire divisions in our law enforcement agencies. and i have elevated it in the white house, we have people specifically focused on ending trafficking and in the international discussions, most specifically out here in southeast asia we are working very closely to promote
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mechanisms that will end trafficking. in fact one of the central peck nisms to tpp, to ensure high labor standards and human rights and human dignity are requirements among the members who are signatories. and they have to the people. and nose of you with me when i visited the refugee center yesterday will recall the 16-year-old sitting next to me, she was somebody who was a victim of trafficking. and it reminds you of the terrible toll that is often placed on children people who are the most vulnerable, the least able to protect themselves
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and every country has an obligation to put an end to it. david mclemore. >> thank you, mr. president. you said that the person who may sl been behind the attacks is not a mastermind and anybody who can get up to the president and willing to die, how should americans feel if they shouldn't be scared in and the washington post and abc news said came out with a report that saying a terrorist attack against the u.s. with mass casualties will happen in the future and 40% say it's very likely. does that in your mind mean the public should not be so fearful meaning the terrorists are winning? >> david, i think that the
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american people are right to be concerned. and to expect that we and the government and law enforcement are doing everything we can to disrupt terrorismt attacks, to intercept the individuals trying to do those attacks thax can cannot gain the weaponry to make it easier to cause terrorist attack attacks. is this is a serious problem. and as someone who has more often than i have liked have met with or comforted families of victims of terrorism. the losses are real and they're
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devastating. so this a serious problem. and we have to work collectively across the board as we have been doing since i became president and since, you know, previous administrations identified the kinds of organized terrorist activity like al qaeda we have seen. we have to do everything we can to stop it. but there is a difference between being vigilant and being concerned and taking this seriously or taking proecautions and in some cases changing our security arrangements as we have done in aviation. there is a difference in smart applications of law enforcement and military intelligence. and succumbing to the fear that
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allows us to abandon or values to abandon how we live. so abandon or change how we treat each other. and the good news is, americans have actually been resilient. they have been tested. we had a mass casualty attack on 9/11 and as i said before i was very proud of the fact that the fundamental nature of america and how we treated each other did not change. i think we made some bad decisions subsequent to that attack in part based on fear and that is where we had to be cautious about it. we have to think things through. but overall the american people went about their lives. times square is filled with people rightly so.
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after the boston bombing attack, folks went back to the ballpark and sang "take me out to the ball game." that's what they needed to do. and so the message i have is that those of us who are charged with protecting the american people are going to do everything we can to destroy this particular network. once this network is destroyed -- and it will be -- there may be others to pop up in different parts of the world. so we're going have to continue on to take seriously how we maintain the infrastructure we have built to prevent this. but it doesn't have to change the fundamental trajectory of the american people. and in that we should feel confident about.
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and the media needs to help in this. i just want to say. during the course of this week a very difficult week it's understandable that this has been a primary focus. but one of the things that has to happen is how we report on this has to maintain perspective and not empower in any way these terrorist organizations. or elevate them in ways that make it easier for them to recruit or make them stronger. they're a bunch of killers with good social media. and they are dangerous and they've caused great hardship to people. but the overwhelming majority of
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people who go about their business every day, the americans who are building things and making things and teaching and saving lives as firefighters, as police officers, they're strong. our way of life is stronger. we have more to offer. we represent 99.9% of humanity and that is why we should be confident we will win. colleen mccain nelson. >> thank you mr. president. you threatened to veto the bill for syrian refugees but a situation that is more constructive in the white house point of view, and do you think democrat wlos are calling for a halt to your program are detraying our country's values. and one last thing, not a
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four-part question. >> just a two parter. >> you met friday with the prime minister who is facing charges of corruption. what was your message about the investment funds scandal and the issue of jailing his political opens. >> with respect to the program, paris just happened a week ago. news moves so these days sometimes we lose track -- it's been so recent and so pervasive in the news and people are understandably concerned how similar paris is to many american cities that i get why legislation in the house moved forward quickly.
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my hope is now that we've got some time to catch our breath and take a look at it carefully, people understand that refugees who end up in the united states are the most vetted scrutinized, thoroughly investigated individuals that ever arrive on american shores. that the process that's been constructed over the course of several administrations, on a bipartisan basis is extraordinarily thorough. and currently takes between 18 to 24 months for somebody to be approved. and so although on its face the house legislation says we
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can just certify and this is not -- along the lines of some of the more radical proposals we were hearing earlier in the week from some presidential candidates, the fact of the matter is if it gums up the work so much, effectively, you don't end up seeing any refugees admitted. if you layer it with more and more bureaucracy that doesn't make us safer because it doesn't do a better job of screening but simply makes it almost impossible to process individuals who are coming in then you're effectively ending the reggiee refugee program for people who desperately need it. and when i referred to the
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betrayal of our values that e we may let christians in but not muslims. so fearful that a 4-year-old orphan will not be let in. and those of you who joined me at the refugee center yesterday and you saw those kids? that's who we're talking about! if you are a parent and you saw those kids and thought about what they went through, the notion we couldn't find a home for them any where in the united states of america? that is contrary to our values. and the good news is the overwhelming majority of people who know that we are screening and al the precautions that are already taken, if they saw those kids they would say, yeah we need to do right by those children. so with respect to prime
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minister najib, i don't comment on investigations happening in the united states. i'm certainly not going to comment on investigations or legal precedings that may be taking place in a foreign country where i'm a visitor, but i did raise issue with prime minister najib and leaders in southeast asia and latin america and everywhere i go the importance of rooting out corruption, all of which hold countries back all of which contribute to poverty and stunted growth and if countries solve those problems even if they are resource poor and landlocked they will do better.
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and if they don't solve those problems, it doesn't matter how much -- how much they are blessed by natural resources or size or geography, they are going to fail. and, you know, i also emphasize the importance of a civil society in a free press and countries thriving. and every country here is at different levels and stages of development, social and economic. and we don't expect that everyone follows the same path that the united states does. but do i think there are principles that are important for us to uphold. as friends and partners to the countries we are talking to. the good news is is, take a country like myanmar, that just went through an important
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election, they are not going to immediately be sweden in terms of the democratic practices. but there is a seat change taking place there and e we want to encourage that and engage it. a lot of the work we do, the partner partnership with the united nations and the principles and rules we have embedded in tpp, all these things are designed to raise the bar, have people set sights that are a little higher and some will go forward. some will slip back. paces will vary but the trajectory is the same. and that is a world where ordinary people are treated fairly. there's rule of law. there's transparency, the
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government is accountable, people's voices are heard. women are treated equally. minorities are not discriminated against. those are profoundly american values, but i also think they are universal values. all right? thank you, everybody. let's go home. >> we just listened to president obama in lumpur. he took questions from several reporters. he discussed russian impact in syria. the fight against isis immigration reform and human trafficking issues discussed at the submits. he is looking forward to the
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paris talks and the most overriding issue that the president remarked upon was the fight against isis and they talked about terrorism. and he said the most powerful tool to fight against isis said we are not afraid. calling them a bunch of killers with good social media. as president obama heads to the united states now, he will be returning. he is discuss immigration reform on his return and look forward to the paris summit. we return to programming here on msnbc. he is bringing a substance that after fire could be melted down and be a milky white substance. do you they is is a coincidence?
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the hour's top stories. some will learn if the city of brussels will lift saturday's lockdown. the subway shut down armed police and soldiers visibly on the streets. our first look this weekend inside the apartment where the organizer of the paris attacks was taken out along with two hours. he was killed in a hail of gun fire in apartments in the suburb of saint denis. and iowa wisconsin, illinois, and indiana slammed by snow saturday. it stuck 6 inches to a foot in chicago. now it's back to the msnbc special.
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what about that substance? for pat, it was from florence county sheriff kenny boone, who said he learned about it from the forensic pathologist. but she told us simply this. as far as she remembers, there never was any milky white substance. here is her autopsy report. i put everything i found in here, she told us. if it wasn't in the report -- and it isn't -- it didn't exist. >> >> reporter: and remember how pat ferreted out tom morgan's fudging about his movements around the time his sister was killed? now in his film, pat used that uncertainty to offer his own set
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of speculations. that tom lingered at his parents' house in myrtle beach for several days after a family reunion ended. and then on his drive home to charlotte, stopped off to kill his sister. >> driving from myrtle beach to charlotte puts him on a route that takes him through the university where his sister was going to school at the time of her homicide. >> reporter: but pat offers no evidence that this actually happened. no receipts, no eyewitnesses along the way that could place tom anywhere on this route. in fact, in that hidden camera interview, tom tells pat he was at work in north carolina, 170 miles away, on the day of the fire. >> reporter: later, at his movie premiere, pat admits he never did check out the alibi. >> were you able to verify any of his so-called alibis? >> well, the last_well, the last alibi, i did not.
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at that point it just seemed like i'd be chasing another one of his lies anyway. >> reporter: you set up a high tech sting operation -- >> yes, i did. >> in this hotel room. >> yes. >> because you wanted to trap him and because you wanted to get him to confess to you that he had killed his sister. and you were terribly upset when he didn't confess to it. when he said, no you've got it all wrong. you've got it all wrong. >> i was disappointed that we didn't get to the bottom of the matter. >> reporter: but remember one of pat's insinuations went beyond all the others. and that was this. based on nothing more than his own analysis of a fictionalized story, pat surmised in his very public film that jennifer's father and brother helped tom get away with her murder. >> if i step on somebody's toes so be it? >> if you ruin their reputation, so be it? >> well, there's a lot of people
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in prison whose reputations i ruined and i don't care. >> yeah, but if they're innocent. >> well, you're saying if. the only way you're going to find out if they're innocent, if you clear tom morgan as a suspect. >> reporter: is he? some people down in south carolina have suggested this is all payback because tom dropped pat from the movie project. nothing to do with it, responds pat. though he does claim tom didn't even have the courtesy to tell him he was dumped. he says he found out about it after the movie was made. >> they can say whatever they want to me. they can say that i'm doing this because i didn't direct tom's film. everything in this documentary is tom saying it and i'm just putting it together. if it takes everybody in the country being mad at me to get justice for this girl, so be it. >> reporter: for pat, this was the way to justice, a film crammed with insinuation, accusation and an angry challenge to the sheriff of florence county.
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>> reporter: we could hardly wait to get back to south carolina to confront with pat moug's theories the two men he'd spent most of his film attacking. >> case that stuck close to my heart for a long time. >> reporter: florence county sheriff kenny boone and tom morgan. by now, tom had spent well over a decade trying to get police to investigate his sister's 1994 killing. had even made his own movie pointing at a particular
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suspect. and we had -- for years -- been asking some, well, difficult questions. this, just after he failed that polygraph. this is really hard and it comes through in your eyes. i can see it is. is part of the reason it's hard for you because you actually did it? >> no. >> you killed your sister? some terrible accident but you killed her? >> no, i did not kill my sister. >> reporter: now, suddenly, 13 years after the murder, tom was very publicly accused. he didn't seem thrilled to be in front of our camera -- again. in your circumstances, this new wrinkle has entered the scene. what is it your mom said? about your 15 minutes? >> yeah, how do you like your 15 minutes of fame. >> so far. it ain't over yet. >> yeah. >> what does that do to you inside? >> it tears me up.
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this whole thing tears me up. >> you didn't really wanna come and do this today, did you? >> no. we have worked so hard to try and keep this in the forefront of people's minds. and to try and keep this investigation going for her sake. and, in rebuilding our lives, you know -- i think the one thing that people don't understand is we're not a typical family. we're not a family that gets together at the holidays. we're a family that talked to each other every single day. we're a family that keeps in close contact, that still goes on family vacations. so when we lose that for people to say, you know, sorry for your loss, you have to let it go.
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maybe it's harder for us to let it go. maybe it's harder for me. but it's not just for me. it's for my parents. it's for our family. we need closure. we want closure. >> listen to what he says and also -- >> reporter: we watched "bold as a lion" together, with frequent stops when tom objected to pat's allegations. >> the interesting -- interesting to that -- >> those apparent contradictions for example, about where he was when his sister was killed. >> yeah, i went back. i was going to fly back out of charlotte back to michigan. >> stop right there. i can remember having this conversation and thinking to myself, man, why did i say that? why didn't i just tell him? why didn't i just tell him? >> clear it up. >> let me just clear this up. and i would have said, pat, listen, i told a lot of people i moved to michigan after my sister passed away. i told a lot of people that. you know why? it's an easy way to say you left michigan as opposed to i was
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having sex with a married woman and i was doing other things that i wasn't too proud of and so i left. >> reporter: we stopped again during the scene at jennifer's old trailer park. that's the time when pat moug suggested tom knew too much about the killing, that he suggested tom knew too much knew things only the murderer would know. >> they took all the sweaters and put those under her bed and doused them with gasoline. >> hold on a second. where did you get the information you're using there? >> we were all speculating at the time. what's interesting about his interview is that we'd all had conversation, and pat as a police officer says, well what do you think about this? or how could this have happened? or whatever. >> he was speculating, too. >> everybody was. you know it's like these bits and pieces of conversation that he's just drawn out to make this into a -- >> to make it look like a lie? >> to make it look -- yeah, to make it contradict itself. >> reporter: then a few minutes
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later, the most damning _ or outrageous _ part of pat's theory. first pat implies tom may have launched some sort of sexual attack on his sister. then, because a couple of accomplices to the crime in tom's fictional movie script seemed to resemble tom's father and brother, pat suggests that the real father and brother may have helped burn jennifer's body. >> the question is why would he want to describe the people that burned a human being after they had been murdered to resemble his father and his brother? >> stop -- yeah, stop right there. it's surreal. this whole thing is surreal. we loved my sister. our family is very tight, we are very close knit. we would do anything to bring her back. we were the people who were trying to keep this going.
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we were the people who were trying to provide them with additional information. we were trying to -- i mean, anything we could do to keep it out there in the forefront of people's minds. we were the ones trying to do that. and then he turns that around and says, well -- >> the key argument that pat moug makes is you put yourself in this movie. maybe because you're a narcissistic sociopath who needs to get -- to taunt people, to get as close as you can to the crime. and that maybe your family has done the same thing. or maybe that you've done the same thing with them. >> he had so many opportunities to sit down with us and say, "hey, i'm gonna make this little like to get everybody's -- >> tell us everything you know. >> yeah, yeah, go through the whole thing. >> he didn't do those things? he's never spoke to my family. and that is absolutely despicable because at that point, he has slandered our family's name. >> he must have had a motivation to do that. >> all i can do is go back to the day that he told me when i
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said that he wasn't gonna make the film that i'd be sorry. >> reporter: tom's mother says she could scarcely believe pat moug could imply such an awful lie about her family. >> i am totally a mother hen, i will fight tooth and nail, i will go to the wall for this. there is no way anyone will come down and ruin my son's reputation without an awful lot of hardcore facts. and i don't think they can give me one. >> you're pretty angry about this. >> angry that my son will be hurt, yeah. >> reporter: and angry, said tom's dad, that police would consider his son a suspect based on what jim morgan claimed were pat's lies. what are you worried about now? i worry about tom. law enforcement can really turn the screws down if they want to. >> reporter: and wouldn't the police want to, in light of pat moug's allegations? and didn't florence county sheriff kenny boone appreciate all of pat moug's suggestions
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about what happened on that warm november day back in 1994? well, actually, no. he would and did not. you cut him off. >> not give him anything, no sir. you know, he's come conclusion that tom is responsible for this, not knowing any of the other information and stuff like we have in our case file. and, you know, it bothered me. i take offense to it. >> reporter: it wasn't at all surprising, said boone, that tom seemed to know things about the crime that perhaps only the killer would have known. >> tom could have been getting that information from the family, cause at that point, you know, i tried to keep the family kind of up to date on what was going on, what was taking place, kind of where we were going. >> reporter: as for pat's conclusion that tom is the suspect in his sister's murder, and that his father and brother may be complicit? >> that tells you what kind of investigator he is to come to that conclusion not having the preponderance of the evidence,
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not all the evidence. >> reporter: but what about that failed lie detector test? well, said both boone and the state police, it was all the available evidence that made them decide that the polygraph result was simply an error and that neither tom morgan nor any member of his family had anything to do with jennifer morgan's death. but pat moug was right about one thing. kenny boone did not cooperate with a fellow police officer, the one from livonia, michigan. >> you know somebody can sit in michigan and armchair quarterback this thing, but i take great offense to it. he didn't work night and day on this case like we did. but i think you've got a patrolman with a rookie attitude wanting to make a name for himself. >> reporter: but the fact is, tom morgan and pat moug may both have missed the real story. murder on a november morning, as
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of course, then i got pounded because i had all the cards laying on the table. >> reporter: in the almost 13 years since jennifer morgan was murdered, her family has grown. tom is now happily married and father to three members of the new generation. it's a family just as close as he says it's always been. and able to laugh again. though the gaping hole left by jennifer's death is, they tell
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us, just as painful as ever, along with the newer wound that comes from being accused. and though tom morgan still wonders if some cop will come knocking at his door, it seems unlikely that sheriff kenny boone, at least, would want to arrest him. why? because, says boone, both tom morgan and his nemesis pat moug have likely both been looking at all the wrong places from the very beginning about. >> well, you know, it's one of my only unsolved homicides and i'd love to be able to solve it today. >> where far from being botched, as both the morgans and pat moug seem to think, the sheriff says his investigation was quite thorough and that he looked pretty carefully at the suspect tom morgan made into a character in his fictional movie, the real life frat boy who seemed to be obsessed with jennifer. but it turns out there was an alibi, says boone, and a pretty solid one.
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>> we were trying to base on a time line, if he had the opportunity to be able to do something like this. at that point, you know, we -- his alibi was clear. but, you know, to me, until someone is convicted, everyone's still a suspect. >> reporter: but you remember family found at jennifer's grave? >> almost as if she was down there tossing it to us. >> reporter: somebody had left a bracelet and a fraternity ring at the headstone. to tom, they were evidence that his suspect, chris, had left them there out of his continuing remorse. to pat moug, they were evidence tom morgan had staged those items to direct attention away from his own guilt. >> it's something detectives call staging. >> reporter: well, as it turns out, they were both wrong. >> actually had a ring -- >> reporter: "dateline" found another of jennifer's college buddies. his name is david dietz. >> just spending around her was like an uplifting thing.
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>> reporter: and guess what. it was he, says david, who left a bracelet and a ring at the grave as tributes to a good friend. >> i guess that's one of life's little lessons that i've learned from her death is you never know when you're going to have an opportunity to express to them how you feel about them. >> reporter: david showed how he tucked the ring into the ground beside the headstone. >> i just stuck it right in that area at the front right under her first name. >> reporter: just where jennifer's father found it. and one more piece of evidence that seemed to point at chris or tom suddenly vanished. these days, chris, the one time fraternity boy owns a radio station here in union, south carolina. he has repeatedly declined our attempts to see him and hear his side of the story. as to the business of not being fully eliminated as a suspect, he's reported to have told a friend, "i'm tough, i can take it. people i care about know i didn't do it and that's good
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enough for me." as for kenny boone, he says he's determined still that someone will be charged with the murder of jennifer morgan. what evidence there is, or most of it, anyway, is still in the sheriff's issue cardboard box. tell me what you know about this ring. there's that ring. and here's the burned bits that once looked like clues. >> and, you know, we go out and we physically try to run those leads. >> reporter: but as we took a stroll through jennifer's woodsy trailer park, the sheriff gave us reasons for his view that the murderer is none of the suspects you've heard about but someone else altogether. >> one of the suspects that we had was right here. >> reporter: in that one right there? >> right here. that window was his bedroom. >> so he could see outside right over to her trailer? >> right. >> and see that she was home alone? >> you know, we can put him leaving this mobile home, walking in front of this mobile home right here and walking down four mobile homes on the right
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to use the telephone to call his girlfriend. >> when? >> at the time the fire was set, right before it was called in at 4:28. >> so if that was a deliberately set fire, you can put him right here? >> right. i can put him in this street but i can't put him in that trailer yet. you never know. with technology like it is today, you never know. it's still a possibility and it's not over. >> reporter: though there's no particular rush to find the man. at this very moment, in fact, he's sitting in prison for a break-in and sex crime which, according to sheriff boone, followed a similar pattern to the attack on jennifer morgan. so case closed? well, not exactly. because now on they go, these three contending investigators down their opposing paths. pat moug, the actor/cop from livonia, michigan, is out there, way out there, with his own cinematic point of view that tom may have killed his sweet
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sister, helped out by his own father and brother. tom, the budding screenwriter, still doesn't believe the sheriff and still suspects the fraternity boyfriend. and sheriff boone thinks they're both wrong, that quite possibility the neighbor did it. kávñéçíúzure ♪ i'm sure it's something i can't do ♪ /]g÷&ipg >> reporter: and so the picture's yellow. the memory of her smile still dances across aging family films. all the possibilities that never were. and at the glacial pace the investigation has moved, the new generation of the morgan family may be in college themselves before tom can finally let it go. but not yet. in spite of all that's happened, not yet. >> i had a conversation with my father the other night. he said, you know, no matter
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what happens, even if you solve it, tom, even if you find somebody who can solve this case, it doesn't bring her back. >> they want you just to drop it? >> and that's when i looked at him and i said, but something the only thing i can say is, when i go to that grave site, when i see her headstone there, she wouldn't have let go of it. she wouldn't have let it just go by the wayside. ♪ whose good-byes won't ever come ♪ ♪ and in my good-bye you'll finally know ♪
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>> deputies respond to a possible gang beating inside a cell. but outside the view of surveillance cameras. >> it appears there's a physical altercation that's transpiring at this time. you can see the bodies jerking back and forth. >> the inmates say it was nothing. >> it was just rough housing, that's all. >> that's for children. >> but one sergeant isn't so sure. >> we know that these
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