hello, everyone. exactly high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." the very latest on the aftermath of the paris terror attacks. the brother of terror suspect salah abdeslam spoke with belgian tv and asked his brother to surrender. our colleague thomas roberts will have more on this interview live from paris in a few minutes. the belgian capital brussels remains at that highest alert level. residents and tourists heeded government alerts to be cautious. new york city police just conducted what they call an active shooter drill. counterterrorism units took part in the exercise in lower

manhattan just blocks from the location of the september 11th attacks. the drill had been planned since september. speaking in kuala lumpur this morning, president obama was clear and direct about the impact of the pariser to er tte attacks. >> that's part of the overall message i want to clearly send the american people. we do not succumb to fear. >> my colleague thomas roberts is in paris. with a good day to you, tell me more about this interview with the brother of the suspect. >> hi, alex. good evening from paris where it's just a little after 6:00 p.m. at night here. we remain in lerepublique. news has started to churn about muhammad abdeslam's interview. this is in regard to his brother because the international manhunt for the eighth suspected attacker, salah abdeslam

continues. he's the most wanted man in the world right now, especially given the fact that people do believe those within the intelligence community, that he might have been wearing a suicide vest, that he may still be capable of planning or carrying out some type of paris-style attack. this is the last time his brother talks about having access to him was two to three days before friday the 13th. and he spoke about his brothers, because his other brother ibrahim, also one of the attackers that wore a suicide vest that detonated outside a parisian cafe. he talked about them in a way in which he did not think the brothers showed radical behavior. he said they enhanced their behavior toward their islamic faith but he never thought they were capable of becoming terrorists in the name of their religion. >> translator: i want to tell him that we are not afraid.

that is partly why i am talking to the press. we would like salah to hand himself in. what does he have to lose? why would he hand himself in? so that he can give us the answers we are waiting for. we, his family, but also the families of the victims. and all the other people who are look at us. we would rather see salah in prison than in a cemetery. can you say that you did not see or suspect anything? you told me about a slight change six months ago. yes, a slight change. but a change that was not worrying, even for me or for the other members of my family. what was the change? when your brothers start praying, it is not necessarily a radicalist change.

when they say they're going to stop drinking, it's not radicalist. we thought that they simply wanted to be a bit more respectful in terms of their religion. they were visibly radicalized? they were radicalized. >> again, muhammad saying he'd rather see his brother salah in prison than in a cemetery. border officials near the french and belgian border who were the last to track salah. we're going to head now to brussels. that is where my colleague ron mott is standing by. they remain there on the highest state of security threat in brussels right now. and this is for day two. so explain how people are reacting to what it means to be living there. >> well, there's a lot of une y uneasine uneasiness, first of all. good day to you. a lot of uneasiness in the capital, quite frankly across

this country tonight. there's a critical meeting going on of the national security council. got under way an hour ago. an hour from now we're anticipating a news conference, highly anticipated news conference where people are expecting to get an update on where things go from here. as you mentioned the terror threat level was elevated to the highest level, level four here, signifying an imminent attack. an ominous threat about the threat targets the government identified which led to this elevation in the threat level. those targets have aparentally changed according to the justice minister. the people they're tracking are very savvy and highly adaptable. now there's a new set presumably of targets they are after. the word went out again today for people to stay away from places like restaurants and bars here in the downtown area. airports, malls, stadiums, things of that sort, movie theaters. people are largely heeding the call for that. these streets that normally

would be bustling with people enjoying another weekend night are pretty much empty. there appear to be a few more soldier oz the streets patrolling this area. there's still a lot of unease here in the capital and an hour from now we're expecting to hear from the government about where the threat level will go from here. the big question a lot of folks around the capital are asking is, what happens tomorrow? it's the start of a workweek. the metro train system and rail system that gets most people in and out of the downtown area was shut down again all day today. no word officially on what happens tomorrow. if the train stations are shut down tomorrow, it's going to lead to a lot of other things, perhaps shutting down. i've heard schools could be canceled tomorrow. a lot of things in play tonight and this press conference in about an hour will be crucial in getting that information out and updated. thomas, back down to paris to you. >> ron, have you gotten from any of your sources on the ground in advance of this update whether

or not there is going to be a development, where they're going to dial it back a little on the threat level so that the work -- the schoolweek can resume, or do you think it's going to be telling everybody, we need you to stay at home at least for another day? >> i get the sense the latter might be true. we spoke to a waiter at one of the popular restaurants here last night. he's thinking this may last a week, two weeks, three weeks even. so with the justice minister saying what he said today, it seems that the terror threat level may remain at four going into the workweek tomorrow. obviously, a lot of people hope that the threat or whatever specific threat the government identified 24, 48 hours ago has been sort of neutralized and maybe the folks who are plotting any sort of attacks here in belgium, in brussels specifically, have had to redo their plans. and that may take some time. so we'll see in ban hour's time whether we're going to get a reduction or they'll tell people, remain at, the metro is

going to remain closed and then people will have to make plans for getting to work if their businesses are open. this terror has led to unease but it's also affecting the bottom lines of these businesses. >> ron mott, thanks. we'll go back to you once that press conference begins and we find out what's going to happen as the people of brussels wait to find out, will they return to work and return to school or remain on lockdown. brussels is the center of this international manhunt for the young belgian suspected of participating in these attacks. salah abdeslam. even his family is baffled as to where he ended up and why he may have been driven to such violence. kelly cobiella is here with me in paris. what's the latest on the search for salah. border officials near the french and belgium border were the last to have any tracking of it.

>> that's the last official confirmation he was sighted, thomas. there's been a lot of talk about where he may have popped up. the assumption is that he's somewhere in brussels or belgium but no official sighting of him since the night of the attacks, the early morning hours of the attacks. there was one possible clue the day of the saint-denis raid. people were called out to a post office very close to saint-denis because someone had reported a person coming in and using salah abdeslam's passport in order to withdraw cash. by the time police arrived there for a raid, there was nobody there. they said whoever it was, they missed him. we still don't have confirmation on that from official police sources, but we believe that's what happened. the search continues in brussels. meantime, all sorts of theories emerging about what he might have done, what role he might have played. suggestions that possibly he had a suicide vest on. a lawyer for one of the men who helped him get back into belgium the night of the attacks said

that her client reported that potentially he had a vest on. a very heavy jacket on and was very nervous. none of that has been confirmed. and i think until they locate him and want him badly alive, we won't know the answers to a lot of these questions and what his involvement was. how he got involved in the first place with all of these people. his brother was involved. but they desperately want him alive. he is the key to a lot of questions. >> and you bring up the brother. ibrahim detonated an explosive suicide vest in front of one of the cafes here. it's the other brother muhammad who also made that point talking about that salah holds a lot of answers. not just answers for their own family but answers for the families of all the 130 victims here. he's pivotal because there is intelligence concern that he is capable of trying to do this somewhere else. >> and there's another -- the

only other link to these attackers right now in custody is this man in turkey. this is the man in his 20s, 26 years old, ahmad dahmani, he was arrested yesterday. and was scoping out some of these sites. he's the only other person with direct contact to these attackers other than abdeslam. so the direction of this is obvious. they need to get him in custody and find out else who he may be associated with and whether this is the end of the cell or whether it's bigger. >> we have new reaction from president obama on the u.s. strategy to defeat terrorism. kristen welker joins me from the white house. what are some of the other thing

as we find the president and president hollande and president putin allied in a new strategy against an unconventional enemy? >> the president during that press conference in malaysia defended his strategy for fighting isis. he also warned against some of the heated rhetoric that's come as a result of the paris terror attacks from gop candidates saying that is playing right into terrorists hands, creating the type of fear mongering that terrorists are trying to provoke. this all comes as a convenient abc news/"washington post" poll shows that 57% of americans disagree with the president's strategy for fighting isis. only 35% support it. some critics arguing the president has underestimated the threat from isis. the administration has pushed back against that saying that isis has lost 20 to 25% of its territory. here's some of what president obama had to say speaking from malaysia earlier today. take a listen. >> when i see a headline that says this individual who

designed this plot in paris is a mastermind, he's not a mastermind. he found a few other vicious people, got hands on some fairly conventional weapons and, sadly, it turns out if you're willing to die, you can kill a lot of people. >> he is currently traveling back to d.c. on tuesday. he's going to meet with french president hollande here at the white house. the administration says it's a chance for the two leaders to reaffirm their commitment to fighting isis. also the u.s. vowing to help france with the investigation. thomas, back to you. >> kristen welker at the white house. we know that president hollande will be traveling to see president obama coming up later this week. and then into moscow to see president putin before meeting with him just two days later. kristen welker, thanks.

that's it for now from paris. we'll have a lot more to talk about coming up. for the moment, back to my colleague alex witt at 30 rock. >> we'll get right back to you shortly. police armed, ready and on guard in the subways of new york. but what you're seeing right there is only a drill. how effective are these practices? we'll discuss it next. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day.

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early this morning, local and federal law enforcement carried out active shooter drills inside lower manhattan's subway system. the drills were planned before the attacks in paris. with me in studio, colonel jack jacobs. colonel, welcome to you. let's talk about the efficacy of these drills. what's learned from them, and how do they work? >> these are devilishly

difficult exercises to pull off. a raid like this. particularly underground or in any urban area, any built-up area is very difficult to do. if you want to be successful at it, you really have to practice it a lot. and that's what they are doing. in an urban area, you have to cordon off the entire area. you have to prevent escape routes. get on top of roofs. in this case, you have to be at both ends of a tunnel. there's lots to do. you have to be able to separate the good guys from the bad guys. kill or capture the bad guys. not hurt the good guys. especially if you don't have a really good handle on what the situation is, your skill at doing all the basics better be top level or it's going to be a catastrophe. that's why they practice it all the time. >> how do they measure success from these drills? one component that may not be there is reality. when the adrenaline pumps in a real situation like this, that may alter certain elements. >> oh, it does. >> what you have to do is do it

so frequently that it becomes second nature. that's what all the special operations force guys do. delta force, s.e.a.l.s, rangers and so on. you have to prepare for just about every contingency. there are different scenarios to go through when you go through them over and over again until it becomes second nature. of course, you can't predict the future. every once in a while you encounter a situation you hadn't planned for and the way you surmount it to succeed in situations like that is the people engaged in that, the police, the special operations forces are so good at the basics that they can react very, very quickly to a changing situation. >> this relatively new special operations force you're talking about with new york city is this exclusively what they're going to do. >> no, although a lot of their time is taken up doing this. there are a lot of situations they have to be ready for right now they are focusing on this. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you for that.

a new call on the sunday talk shows to get more nations involved in the fight against isis. republican presidential candidate marco rubio said a joint u.s. air force is needed. >> we need to have a ground force that defeated isis made up of primarily arab sunnis. there well have to be american operators embedded alongside them. this is not a return to iraq. we're not talking about 100,000 people or 50,000 armed soldiers. we're talking about a significant force of special operators. >> let's bring in california democrat congressman john garamendi. he sits on the armed services committee. hello, sir. welcome to you. how different is the rubio plan from the white house policy on isis? >> it's not. that's what the president said 14 months ago. that if we're going to be successful dealing with isis, boots on the ground had to come from the neighborhood, from turkey, the kurds, the iraqi government, reformed and hopefully better.

as well as jordan and the gulf states. that's not new. that's precisely what the president said 14 months ago, and that's been the finishundam strategy in place. together with air power. what is new is the arrival of russia into this game in a big way. and that is a very important and in many ways a game-changer. it has led to a renewal of the negotiations over the civil war in vienna. and that is absolutely crucial to solving this problem. you've got to stop that civil war and then working with all of the above, go after isis on the ground with local troops. and as rubio said, and this has always been part of the president's strategy, you use your special forces in special ways. and we've seen that play out over the last few months. >> congressman, what have been the difficulties in getting the arab allies in the region to put more boots, a robust number of

boosts on the ground. is it ideology? a hopefulness the u.s. will take the charge? it seems like time is wasting. >> the iraqi army basically dissolved in the face of isil's advance. and that was 14, 15 months ago. so that has to be reformed. that's taken time. there's a question of whether that is being successful. there's been a question about how to involve the kurds. frankly, i think we ought to be much more direct in involving the kurds. we've been working through the iraqi government to the kurds and then you have this very, very complex situation with turkey and the kurds. they've been at a fight for decades, and that has made it much more complex in providing the kind of direct assistance to the kurds. turkey has been reluctant to get involved, but they're increasingly involved as isis has been attacking them on their -- in their country. jordan in and out, but

nonetheless very drebtly involved with perhaps a million or more refugees in jordan. and saudi arabia, here we go into what is one of the most difficult of all, and that is a 1,000-year fight that's been going on within islam. the sunni shia fight. that's made this whole thing that much more complex because isis is essentially a sunni operation. the shias support and saudi arabia also sunni. you look at iraq as it presently is formed. that government has been more shia than sunni. iran, shia. so you go back and forth with this schism within islam that makes this whole thing much, much more complex. but i think we're on the right track here. we're moving towards multiple boots on the ground from these countries. we've seen the kurds and we've also seen russia in this, and

that has really pushed the negotiations in vienna forward much faster. but that ends the civil war and then we'll be in a position to deal directly with isis. >> talk about a comprehensive, complicated answer. i was starting to take notes and stopped halfway through. >> i'm sorry. >> we appreciate the education on that. i've heard friends of mine suggesting they are concerned about travel. you have the holiday season, thanksgiving, the most populate week for travel every year. any concerns here that we should know about? >> well, nothing more than you've seen reported. and that is that all of us, every day, in our daily life, as well as in our travel life, you hear it on the loud speakers in the airports. if you see something, say something. if you see an unattended parcel on the floor, talk about it. have somebody take a look at it. see something, say something. that's something that ought to be everyday life. and we also know, and you gave

an example a moment ago about the drills going on in new york city. those same drills are going on in other places across the united states. all to the good. we're really talking about serious multitasking here. as individuals, be involved. as a community, police force, they also are involved. they need to be prepared. they need to practice. and then you also have the international scene. and one very, very important thing that seems to have been happening. i think you went over this, although you didn't note it in your earlier report just a few moments ago, and that is the sharing of information. you talked about a fellow being arrested in turkey. how was he arrested? the french, the belgiums put the word out to the turks. if you see this guy, arrest him. and similarly, you're seeing that played out. so the sharing of information is absolutely crucial. and, frankly, it wasn't so well done prior to the paris attack. >> to your see something, say something, that's something we hear in new york. it's like part of our dna as new

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hey, everyone. 29 past the hour. the very latest from paris as this has just come out from french police. they've tweeted out this man's picture saying he was seen near the stade de france in the saint-denis area, of course one of the sites of the first attacks where a couple of the attackers blew themselves up and they say was the result of a gas explosion there. he died as well. nonetheless, that happened. this man was seen in that vicinity, and now police say they want to question him. so again, this just being tweeted out by the french police. they are looking for information about and from this man. that is the very latest from paris. we're going to take a short

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the hour. this comes as the belgian capital brussels remains at the nation's highest alert level. the streets are nearly empty as residents and tourists have heeded calls to remain vigilant. the nypd conducted what they call an active shooter drill. it was happening just a few blocks from the location of the september 11th attacks. the drill had been planned since september. let's get more from my colleague thomas roberts in paris. what's the latest from there? >> this latest tweet that's come out from french police. if we can show that image once again, looking for any information about this person that they consider to be a suspect of interest. someone that they are looking to identify. alex, the police here have used social media before in trying to track down the identities of certain people they believe are attackers that were involved in what happened here on friday the 13th and other people they feel

may have a connection. on wednesday we had the raid in saint-denis. and that's when they were able to neutralize and kill abdelhamid abaaoud who they figured was the architect of what was pulled on in the raids and attacks in paris. now out of that, alex, they detained eight people. seven of those people have been released. there's one more person that is left in custody. they have not been charged. it is the person considered to be the landlord of that building. under anti-terrorism laws here in france, they have six days to charge you or release you. so we're getting into that window right now where that person may be released tomorrow. but again, this new development of the french police sending out that picture, via twitter asking for information on that man that you see right there that they think might be involved in what happened on friday the 13th. meanwhile, while we've been here covering this story, and it has been very fluid with breaking

news and developments, we've been witness to other breaking news in another part of the world, in mali. that terrorist attack that happened in africa. malian security forces are still looking for three suspects in the deadly attacks that happened at a luxury hotel there on friday. keir simmons is outside that hotel in the nation's capital with more for us. keir? >> hey, thomas. we've just been inside the hotel there where multiple gunmen opened fire killing 20 people. we believe that three of them are still being hunted. two were killed. the first thing that hits you is the smell of smoke and then the blackened windows and broken windows in the breakfast room where they tried to light a fire. that is where one american that we spoke to hid from the jihadists. he tells us that he was in the street here when he saw four or five shooters running towards him. he ran inside. fell on the stairs but managed

to qual away into the breakfast room. terry kemp picks up the story. >> i went to the left, back into the breakfast room. didn't see anybody in there. crawled back underneath a table. at that time, i heard three terrorists come in. they started shooting the room. they were standing right next to me. i knew i was going to become a victim because all they had to do was look down underneath of there. but for some unknown reason, they never looked under there. they shot a few times. they left after they started to fire, and i was still there. >> the first thing he's going to do when he gets back to florida is hug his family. we were in the hotel, but with mali's president. he was clearly stunned by what he saw and after he looked around, we had a chance to speak to him and ask him some questions.

>> what happened in mali has happened before to paris, in paris. it happened before moscow and could be as happened before, 9/11. so facing the same challenge. so we have to strengthen and to join our efforts so to face that challenge. >> can the terrorists be beaten? >> for sure. i'm deeply convinced of that. >> and it was an incredible joint operation by forces from mali, by french, by even two american security agents. that should be a model for the world in fighting isis and al qaeda. one last note, anita datar, an american who worked for a

company, a group that was funded by usaid, she has been missed by her family. they are paying tribute to her. and hillary clinton, too, knew her. she is describing her as somebody who dedicated her life to west africa to helping the poor. she is clearly somebody who is going to be sadly missed. thomas? >> keir simmons reporting in mali for us. thanks so much. back here in paris in the wake of the attacks in the city of lights there concerns about the long-term impacts on france's already struggling economy. i had a chance to go to one of the places just outside the suburbs. it's the flea market. one of the biggest economic centers around here in paris. and i spoke with france 24 anchor tom burgess watson on whether security concerns will affect the tourism industry. france being the nation's leader in tourism in 2013. 83 million people visited here. it accounts for 7% of france's

economy. >> i think any industry that is dependent on the tourism sector is going to be hurting right now. they're going to carry on hurting. most likely for some weeks to come. but i think people who have canceled trips will rebook them. paris remains a place people, all, everyone wants to go to paris at least once in their lifetime. they'll be back. i'm sure the french businesses, they've got good -- they've got good balance sheets because they have all year round very high demand for hotel rooms, tables in restaurants. getting a table in a restaurant in paris isn't at all easy. there is a lot of pent-up demand and people will be back spending and back out shopping. the tourists will all come back. it's just a question of waiting and being patient. i think isis would like nothing more than for french people to be cowering at home and with the doors locked and too afraid to go to a public place. this country has produced great

philosophers. the french people are educated. they read. they've traveled. france is in the middle of europe. i think people are realistic, and they are aware the risk of being hit by a terrorist is -- the probability is very low and they're not going to be stopped. >> so the economy of paris is built on night life and cultural offerings. after charlie hebdo they saw a 68% drop in business at bars and restaurants. how do business owners feel about what happened here on friday? >> maybe people are a little more careful, a little sadder. but i think people are getting to go over this, to go over on top of this. and we could be part of it. someone can come in here and do the same thing, you know. so we have to be very careful. but we're also very courageous because life has to go on. >> have to go on. it's an attitude of resiliency. that's one we continue to see here at this shrine at le

republiq republique. people to come out and continue to pay their respects by bringing flowers, lighting cameras. this is happening all over paris, certainly where the attacks happened. here at this spot we've been stationed here all week for our shows and our reporting. today is probably one of the busier days we've seen with families coming out. parents with their young kids trying to return for a sunday walk but making sure they stop by here to bring a flower or light a candle. >> i don't think that's going to let up any time soon. thomas, we've been talking about the belgian prime minister's news conference. a media briefing under way right now. we'll listen in for a second. we have a french translator standing by that can help with that a little as well. >> we have taken according with the crisis unit and with the different security offices, complementary measures to the

ones taken yesterday. on the one hand, we keep the presence in the territory of our police and military. the other hand, we keep the recommendations to diminish the number of events gathering many people and we also keep particular attention on the public transportation and confirm that we are keeping the subway closed tomorrow. it will take place tomorrow during the afternoon. finally, i wish to confirm that the schools will be closed tomorrow in brussels. i wish to say that everything has been put in place to find a normal life again or military and police and all the security services are mobilized.

this difficult task, the investigation is ongoing 24/7. we are on alert, and we follow the situation hour by hour. we should have a new evaluation this afternoon. the crisis unit will make new proposals, and the security council will meet again. we thank the population for their serenity and calm in these difficult moments. we remind you to be vigilant. everything is being done to resume a normal life as soon as possible. wish to also say there's a number 1771 which is available. it's a conference center.

this is what i wish to say. now if you have any questions, i'm available, but we will not respond to anything about the ongoing investigation. many people, people who need to go to work are afraid they will have to stay home. there will be new indications, instructions tomorrow morning. several measures have been taken in conformity with the european institutions so there are security measures that have been taken with the european institutions. the crisis unit does not

recommend any further measures than the ones i have already talked about. concerning transportation to work and so everybody needs to be vigilant. that is the message concerning recommendations. are there any other questions? i will not answer about the ongoing investigation. everything is being done with our security services and diplomacy in order to cooperate with all the countries who can help. the universities are going to be closed the same as schools.

schools, universities and all schools are concerned by the decision that was taken. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: everything has been done to return back to normal life.

we are at level three so the decision to go to level three for the whole territory is still ongoing. brussels is at level four, but we are still going to keep a strong security presence all over the country. orienting the different measures according to the situation. concerning day care centers, they are not going to all be closed, but we need to be very cautious. the crisis unit is not recommending to close them all. there are many of these centers.

so it would be dealt with case by case. >> want to let all of you know what you are hearing there is flemish. we do not have a flemish translator, but the belgian prime minister is answering in both french and flemish. picking up little bits of flemish as well. but we're going to continue to listen to this. after two days, this being the second day, the subway remains

closed tomorrow throughout brussels. they'll evaluate that again tomorrow afternoon. because of that, obviously transportation is very challenging around brussels. and so they've closed schools, universities, all places of education have been closed. it's important to note that the country of belgium has, in general, a level three terror alert right now. that's their second highest level. it's brussels itself, brussels proper raised to a level four, and that is why there are these extraordinary measures in that area. the reason brussels has been a hot spot is because of the specific area of molenbeek within the center of town, a residential neighbor that is home largely to turkish and moroccan populations. and so that is an area that's been on high alert. an area in which many, many raids have been conducted. let's go to ron mott in belgium. he's going to have more of the hands on the ground -- boots on the ground knowledge of what's going on in brussels.

you've seen evidence of this, ron, just emptied town, people somewhat weary. give me a sense as we watch the belgium prime minister michel wrap up his media event. >> a lot of people relieved the government is doing its best to keep them safe. i spoke earlier about a waiter we interviewed last night who was watching his livelihood essentially be affected by all of this. very thin crowd. he says if it keeps people alive here across this country, then they will accept that. so this is probably going to be difficult for parents who may have to work tomorrow. their children will not be going to school tomorrow. the mass transit system will remain shut down. the trains, rail system will remain shut down tomorrow. they're sending the word out that they believe the folks who may be plotting something here in broussels are looking to mimc

the attack in paris. i can tell you in the center part of downtown, there are a lot more soldiers and police patrolling than we saw even last night. so if this were the area where they suspected that these people might have wanted to hit, they certainly have fortified the presence tonight. going forward, with the workweek going, starting monday, it's going to cause a lot of disruption because there are obviously some essential personnel, hospitals and the like that need to get to where they are going. so many depend on mass transit to get from the outlying areas into the center of the city. that will be difficult for them to do that. but like the prime minister said, this is an exceptional situation and requires some exceptional measures. they're working hard to get back to normal effort living but that people should be patient until they can get this threat contained, and if they can, eliminate it altogether. >> there's certainly this

unwelcome connection between france and belgium right now. but specifically with brussels, is it all as a result of the ongoing manhunt for abdeslam who is believed to be among those attackers in paris a week ago? >> the question was asked if this elevation to the highest level had to do with this manhunt, this intense search for salah abdeslam. and the answer was, no, there are multiple people involved here. it's not just this one person that has led to this highest level threat here in the city of brussels. it remains at a level three outside of the city. but they believe there's an ongoing threat involving multiple suspects, and they want to find out who these people are and how to track them down. there have been a number of raids over the past five or six days here. police being very quiet about, obviously, where they are going and looking. but the security folks on the ground here, soldiers on the

ground worried about cameras identifying them. and so there's a certain level of tension here in the air but there are people here who want to do as they are doing in paris which is to get back to normal everyday living. a lot of the folks, most of the folks we saw last night on the streets are tourists who just happened to be in town and happened to be in town at a very historic time. alex? >> ron mott, thank you for joining us very last minute like that on this developing news. we're going to not take a break. i want to welcome my next guest for analysis on how the terror attacks are shaping american politics. leslie sanchez is a republican strategist, former official in the george w. bush administration and howard dean, former governor of vermont. to you both, i'm going to apologize for the brevity of this conversation but with regard to donald trump calling for a muslim database and plans to monitor certain mosques, do you think that this is striking a different tone than past comments he's made on the

undocumented immigrants coming from mexico? >> no, just insert a new ethnic group here. that's very clear about him. you cannot defend the indefensible with donald trump. and there are some people with this heightened state of global fear for everyone that we know it calls for sound leadership and calm kind of command of the issues. and that's not someone with donald trump who is exploiting fear. so i think there's a big contrast between donald trump and the rest of the gop contenders. i'm just going to reiterate for everyone, you are a republican strategist. howard, donald trump was doubling down on the comments he made about 9/11. this happened at a rally yesterday in alabama. let's take a listen to what he said. >> i know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. there were people in new jersey watching it. heavy arab population that were cheering as the buildings came down. not good. >> as i said, police are saying --

>> why do you think this is working for donald trump? why aren't republican leaders taking a more aggressive stance against rhetoric that could once again cost them the election? >> it could cost an election. leslie is right about donald trump. but here's the bigger problem. the bigger problem is at a time like this, people expect leadership. what the republicans are providing is followership. they're following the anger and emotions of people who have a reason to be angry and emotional, but that's not what's expected at a time of great national peril. george w. bush did a great job on this issue when the world trade centers were hit. he showed what it was to lead. and we don't see any of that on the republican side. carson is in real trouble in iowa now because his evangelical christian base does not believe he's capable of being president of the united states. trump will probably be the beneficiary of that. this is a short-term strategy that doesn't help in the long term. >> look, i'm looking right now

to both of you to a new poll out of new hampshire which shows that republicans are favoring donald trump as the candidate best equipped to fight isis. this by a 2-1 margin over his closest competitor marco rubio. why do you think he is winning and how concerned are you? legitimately concerned this might ruin your party's chances? >> i think there's a lot that -- the american sentiment that likes the straight talk kind of approach. you saw it with john mccain. that straight talk express. people were tired of the politician and the political correctness so to speak. but that's not a license to go out and basically isolate different ethnic groups and religious groups from the american populous. i think donald trump is at an apex. i think this will continue to wane and you're seeing people like marco rubio, ted cruz, jeb bush coming forward with sound leadership. i appreciate the governor the

point talking about george w. bush. you do not see that leadership even from barack obama and hillary clinton in this failed foreign policy. there's a contrast here but it's not just on the gop side. >> you were all getting along and i knew you were going to do that. but we're going to let that be -- we know what you were going to say there howard. unfortunately i'm out of time. i'll see you both again. thank you, leslie and howard. brussels keeps its terror alert at the maximum level. all of its schools will be closed tomorrow. a complete update from belgium, plus more from paris with thomas roberts at the top of the hour. it's more than a network and the cloud.

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and schools will not open tomorrow. french national police posted a picture of a third person they are now looking for in connection with the attacks. also, we're now hearing from the brother of terror suspect salah abdeslam. he spoke with belgian tv and asked his brother to surrender. my colleague thomas roberts is in paris for us. thomas, you were listening in as we got that update on the security situation in belgium. what overall new information did you glean from that? >> so, alex, as we were all listening together, the biggest development is the fact that schools will be closed tomorrow within brussels and for the country itself of belgium, it's on the threat level three while the city of brussels is going to remain at its highest level four. our colleague ron mott is in brussels. this is where they are living through this maximum security alert for the second day. and, ron, i think when we were talking in the last hour, there was the assumption this would probably carry on and that's because salah abdeslam, the

suspected eighth attacker is still at large from what happened here friday the 13th in paris. >> right. still at large but officials acknowledge that the reason this threat level was raised specifically in brussels up to four was not only because they are looking for salah abdeslam but other people. and so what we've learned here in the past 15 minutes or so, the prime minister holding a news conference to update the public on what happened today with the series of meetings, series of security meetings. we're going to remain at a level four. the prime minister is asking the public to remain patient for yet another day. mass transit will be shut down again tomorrow. schools and colleges closed here in brussels. we just got word in the last four or five minutes that there's a search under way north of brussels, north of town. don't know any more specifics. if we, do we'll bring those to you. they are asking people for another day of patience. the streets here which normally on a weekend would be full of people enjoying the restaurant

bar scene here, it's pretty barren. as was the case last night, most of the people milling around are tourists from other countries near europe n parts further into asia and elsewhere. so the prime minister is asking people again for their patience but said this san exceptional situation and, therefore, will require some exceptional measures. they are fortifying the security presence downtown. we can certainly see that difference from last night until tonight. but the biggest impact is the fact that schools are going to be closed and what impact that's going to have on parents and they have to get to work, some of them, and they suddenly have to find childcare for tomorrow and maybe even into tuesday and into later parts of the week. thomas? >> ron mott reporting in brussels. thanks. i want to bring in kelly cobiella. she's been reporting from paris this week. we know there's been a lot of activity for the people of france.

and they can commiserate with what's happening for the people in belgiumight now because france is under a three-month state of emergency after parliament approved that earlier this week. now we have president hollande trying to build this international coalition bringing together two unlikely resources of president obama and president putin. >> trying to figure out what to do about asasad and bombing syria. president obama will meet with francois hollande coming up this week. francois hollande also meeting with the british prime minister and president putin. he, again, trying to build this coalition and get more military support and more diplomatic pressure to solve this syrian problem. already the french have committed more military resources to the region sending the charles de gaulle aircraft carrier to the eastern mediterranean. it's now in place tonight.

we've heard from the french government that it's going to triple the number of air strikes that france is able to carry out in that region. already over the past week they've carried out some 60 air strikes over syria since the paris attacks happened. leading up to that, over the past year since they've been involved in iraq and syria, they've only conducted a handful of air strikes in syria. only getting involved in syria this september after that foiled train attack. so the point here is, france is saying we're committed to putting our military on the line to bringing in more resources but we also need to talk politics and to get some of these coalition partners on board, thomas, because the uk, you'll remember, was talking about getting into the coalition and striking syria and backed out about two years ago. so that's now a debate that's bubbling up again in the uk. >> france began those air strikes in syria right after this as you report on the

movement of the "charle de gaulle." that puts in place 24 more french aircraft to continue this mission they feel they need to carry out against a very unconventional enemy. this is a very conventional war tactic to do this. the revenge attack, revenge, attack method seems to be what france's cycle is right now. the president made that comment today. he didn't like the headlines about certain people being described from isis at the mastermind. he feels that they might be getting too much attention for being able to carry out harm in the ways that they are doing so in such a chaotic way. so how is president hollande going to convince president obama that they, too, are at war? because france's rhetoric on this is, we're at war. >> and i think he has president obama on his side to a certain extent. the devil is in the details, as always. how far does the u.s. want to go in terms of military action, and

the sticking point of assad? do we now change tack on assad and decide that he's the lesser of all evils and we need to keep him in power and partner with the russians in attacking isis? or, you know, do these various world powers stick to their sides and then, you know, we end up with the status quo. hollande is putting himself forward as theed meia ed med me. today the defense minister said we have to annihilate i.s. we have to do it around the world and do it in syria and iraq. and at the same time, the chief of army in france is saying, it's not going to happen militarily necessarily. and if that's the way -- if that's the direction we're going to go, it's going to be a very, very long road. he was even saying, as so many others have, that it has to be a

political and diplomatic solution. so we're back to that. >> it's been so interesting and you've been watching two different debates that have been happening on european tv shows about what this means moving forward especially for the uk. and the necessity for diplomacy that goes in coordination with any type of military operation. and again, i get back to the sticking point. these are very conventional war methods against a very unconventional enemy. and the big sticking point is that president putin supports assad staying in syria and we'll see if anybody moves the needle on that one after a meeting of hollande to america this week and then on to moscow. >> after the bombing of the plane. after that plane came down, perhaps there has been a shift in putin's stance. we don't know. we'll have to see how it plays out. >> kelly cobiella, thank you. president obama did wrap up his trip to asia this morning and he was very vocal in that

meeting talking about the fact that the world cannot stop, and it will move on. the president is expected to be here in france on november 30th. that is when over 100 world leaders will descend on paris for the global climate summit. now on tuesday, president hollande will travel to washington. he's going to meet with the president and discuss strategy moving forward. topping that agenda will be how to further a coalition effort. an allied effort against isis. we'll find out how that meeting goes and then hollande moves on to a planned meet with president putin in russia. but one thing we're going to talk about when we come back here, the impact that the friday the 13th attacks have had on the hearts and minds of parisians. over our left shoulder here, we have people singing with a string quartet. over my left shoulder, a band that was playing the guitar. we have an organization here

from bangladesh that has brought out candles that they'll be lighting behind me in the colors of the french flag. people continue to pour out here into the square of le republique to pay their respects and also show their pride in moving forward. that isis has not scared them. they'll continue living just the way they have. >> as well they should and they do so respectfully. >> let's go to a developing story here in new york city where law enforcement officials on high alert conducting what they call an active shooter drill. secretary of homeland security jeh johnson was there right alongside mayor bill de blasio and police commissioner bill blatton. >> these exercises are necessary in light of all that's going on in the world at this particular point in time. in new york city at this time we are very well prepared and continually improving that preparedness. >> msnbc's adam reese is in manhattan for us, not too far from those exercises.

what all did they practice, adam? >> alex, this was an active shooter drill. a number of different scenarios they used in the subway downstairs below me. in the first scenario, two shooters on the platform shooting at innocent civilians. two transit officers respond. they neutralize them. killed them. still had a lot of casualties. in the second incident, two shooters. but one of them to had a suicide belt. the team comes in neutralizes them. a number of different agencies here today. fbi, secret service, u.s. army and as you mentioned, homeland security. the secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson, spoke earlier. here's what he had to say. >> we know of no specific credible threat of a paris-like attack directed against the u.s. homeland. we are, and we continue to be and we have been, concerned about copycat-like attacks as director comey said on thursday.

we're concerned about the type of attack we've seen by a so-called lone wolf. this type of exercise is something to address that. >> now part of this operation took part was the critical response team. 500 new officers. highly armed. m-4 special arms. they have new cars. they have new phones, and they have heavy protection. they are part of this operation. they want to learn from what happened here so secretary -- commissioner bratton will send a team over to paris once things settle down over there. they want to learn from that. make -- learn lessons from what happened in paris. they want to learn more about the vests. they also want to learn more about the encrypted apps they believe the terrorists use to communicate with each other and avoid the authorities. what happened in paris so it doesn't happen here in new york. alex? >> more evidence of a sharing information. okay, adam reese, thank you for

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belgian prime minister just wrapping up a briefing on the security situation in brussels. the capital will remain at the nation's highest alert level. the subways will remain closed. schools will not open in effect through at least tomorrow and then thaey'll re-evaluate. they've posted the picture of this third man.

they are looking for information from this man who they believe was seen in the area of the sta stade de france attacks. >> french police have been using social media to put out images of people they were interested in. they've used this method before in trying to track down the one person that they believe they didn't have the identity of that was one of the attackers involved in the attacks from friday the 13th here in paris. a lot of fluid information this week but that is the newest, this image coming out this evening, just within the last hour. and french officials seeking that person for information, possibly connected to what happened here on friday the 13th. we'll remind everybody also the eighth suspected attacker. salah abdeslam last seen crossing from france into belgium early saturday morning on the 14th. remains at large. his brother muhammad gave an interview today to belgian tv

asking for his brother to turn himself in. also saying he did not believe that both of his brothers were radicalized. his other brother, ibrahim, was also one of the attackers here in paris that used a suicide vest to explode himself in front of a cafe. all this week we've been watching people come out here to the shrine that's formed here. a symbol of france, a symbol of paris and the people. a shrine built with flowers and candles. today has been one of the more active days because of the weather, it's a weekend, and many people in paris going about their business today with their kids on a normal sunday walk. we've seen people tonight coming out here into the square to show their respects and i wanted to introduce you to one young man who came out and is building a symbol of candles behind us in the symbol of the french flag. good to have you with us. the conversation about why you have a foundation for young

people that are moving to france from bangladesh. explain that. >> thank you very much. it's a foundation that works for people. the foundation is man for man. we don't only work for the people come from bangladesh to paris. we don't only help them. we help all kind of people living in paris that have difficulties. as i said to you before, when someone come in paris, they -- we help them to show them what they can do to the society and we help them always. >> immigrations is a big issue right now with what we're watching from the syrian refugee crisis, those from north africa that are seeking to move to a better place. and many people are trying to get to western europe. for you when you arrived here

seven years ago, how hard was it to acclimate? >> it's always difficult. it's always difficult for people who come here, paris, or france. thanks to french government, they give us chances for people like me, a lot of people who have a problem in their country who come here. and who want to help from french government. french government help them. and france is a country, liberty. everyone is equal here. and that's why the french government, they welcome us. they give us all kind of opportunities to show -- to live a life. you don't have any difference between the french people and immigrant. they treat everyone the same. there is no distinguishing between an immigrant and french citizen. and that's what many people feel more comfortable to come here.

and it's a country liberty. a country of opportunity. >> these are some of the members of your foundation that have come in to join the shot. explain why you wanted to come here tonight and also what you are building with the candles. >> thank you. the we had a terrorist attack in this area. and it's horrible to see that people, the terrorists they come here and exploiting the name of religion. they are muslims and whatever. we say that terrorism, they have no religion. you can't say that he, like this religion and that's why he's terrorist. but unfortunately, a lot of people think that this terrorist, they are muslim or all muslims are terrorists. that's a message. you see it myself, my name, there is islam. so i am here.

i'm sharing my sympathy and i'm sorry for people that died and i'm saying it's my responsibility to say that i'm a muslim, but i'm not a terrorist. so terrorism and religion is not the same. it can't go the same way. our foundation. we come here. we tried to make a french flag with the three colors and we used a lot of colors. the three colors. and all people, we are here today showing them that we are sorry and we against this terrorism. and the foundation will be always there. we're all about mankind. >> thank you. gentlemen, thank you for being here. we'll have much more live as we continue our coverage from paris right after this quick break. please stay with me. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our running back is a beast. once he hits the hole and breaks through the secondary, oh he's gone. and our linebackers and dbs dish out punishment,

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up a briefing with the prime minister saying the capital city will remain at the nation's highest alert level. the subways will remain closed and all schools, including universities will not be open tomorrow. the attacks in paris prompted new calls for the u.s. to ramp up its war on isis. some of president obama's supporters are now calling for the white house to take stronger action. >> i think the mission that he said is the right mission, which is to disrupt, dismantle and destroy isis. that's the right mission. but i think that the resources applied to that mission frankly have not been sufficient to confront that. and for that reason, i think we have got to be much more aggressive and much more unified in the effort to take on isis. >> let's bring in a member of the house intelligence committee. welcome. >> thanks for having me on. >> is the u.s. doing enough to combat isis, and if so, what more can we do?

>> no, isis is getting stronger, not weaker. we need to get stronger, not weaker. this is an opportunity for us to not just match their escalation in violence but show the most overwhelming force through an international coalition we've ever seen in the 21st century. >> some of the paris attackers were known to french officials, sir. was there a failure of communication within the intelligence community? should these people have been under closer watch? >> what paris demonstrated, what russia demonstrated with their airliner coming down and what we saw in mali and beirut is we do not have a coordinated effort right now. you go back to world war ii. in 1939, you never would have imagined the united states working together to defeat nazi germany, but they did. we need the u.s., russia, nato allies and middle eastern nations that have never thought about boog on the ground to come together to defeat this.

otherwise, ooh sis will continue to attack us all over the world. >> that coordinated attack, is the apparatus in this country prepared to deal with that, either coming into this country or perhaps more concern would be those that are home grown. >> the priorities right now are people from the u.s. who traveled over to syria and have returned. but also isis' reach is beyond just those individuals. through the internet, facebook, other social media websites they've been able to inspire, recruit and really promote attacks against the united stat states. that's the biggest threat. we have to be perfect. they just need one individual to shoot up a mall, and that's a success. the fbi is working around the clock to identify these individuals and work with local police to make sure they are ready when that happens. >> you talk about the coordinated response, the intelligence sharing. how effect sieve the intelligence sharing between local, state and federal law enforcement in this country right now.

is it right where it should be? >> i spoke to the california police officer's union on friday. about 1,000 police officers. all they want to know is, what are they supposed to look for? not just that we're on high alert and the fbi assured me they're pushing this out to local law enforcement. not just be on alert but what are some of the factors. our police, they are the ones that go into the homes. they make the car stops. they likely will be the ones that will stop the next attack because of their ability to be on the ground. >> they are a little concerned about traveling over the thanksgiving holiday. millions of americans will be doing that. it's the most heavily traveled week of the entire year. any specific concerns to be wary of, or is it just in general when you see something, say something, we all have to be vigilant? >> the fbi director assured us there's no specific threats to the united states. however, what we can't see and don't know is what we fear.

again, someone who is plotting based on what they've seen on successes abroad. it really is the beat cop who is out there. the neighbor who notices someone's behavior radically changing. that's what's going to stop an attack. >> california democrat, eric smallwell, thanks for joining us. in just a moment, back to brussels for a live report on what the terror threat level remains there. it's at its highest level. we'll get the latest from the belgian prime moninister after short break. it's our day... to shop small at the places we love... with the people we love. for stuff we can't get anywhere else. and food that tastes like home. because the money we spend here... can help keep our town growing. on small business saturday, let's all shop small. for the neighborhood, the town, the home we love. on november 28th, shop small.

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even through tomorrow. >> before we get to some of the specifics of prime minister michel's comments, the posture here downtown has changed since that news conference. we're told there's a police operation, five minutes from our live location here in the downtown area and that authorities have told patrons of restaurants and bars to stay inside those places until further notice. something is going on very near to our position here and soldiers around town have been told to don their helmets. something we did not see yesterday at all. so we've got a set of soldiers just off camera here. back to the prime minister, he again said the threat level is going to remain at 4 for the foreseeable future going into tomorrow, which means the mass transit system will be shut down again. obviously the start of a workweek. people will have to find other ways to get to work because mass transit is the way many people get into and out of downtown brussels. as you mentioned, schools,

universities also closed tomorrow and we're told that the police will continue going through these various neighborhoods for people they are looking for. we don't have any specifics in terms of how many people but they do believe there were several people plotting some sort of attack in brussels. >> ron mott staying vigilant there, especially with that operation under way not five minutes from where you are. let's go back to thomas roberts who is joining me from paris. >> alex, thanks. this has been a very fluid week here for french policies that move forward under this new state of emergency put into effect by parliament. approved after being requested by president hollande. it will last for three months. threw february. it gives tlees wide ranging powers. they don't have go through any judicial processes to invade places they feel are suspect to take people under house arrest. so it gives them very broad

powers. they'll re-evaluate that in february. in the meantime, president hollande said this is a country at war. it's used to combat against a very uncontentional enemy. i want to bring in bill richardson, former ambassador to the united states under president bill clinton, also the former governor of new mexico. good to have you with me. you know diplomacy all too well of what's taking place behind the scenes of trying to coordinate an allied alliance against isis with french president hollande traveling to see president obama this week and then moving on to see president putin in russia. can these three powerful countries come together against isis if they don't agree on what should be syrian policy about bashar al assad? >> well, they can start agreeing, and i think you're seeing some very strong diplomacy like you, thomas.

i'm in paris, too. i think president hollande is very, very popular here for what he's done both diplomatically and also internal security. i think where the key is, is russia. there's an unprecedented alliance between france and russia now, between putin and hollande. and i think if hollande and the europeans can persuade russia, for instance, eventually to accept the no-fly zone, to join in the coalition, possibly in the bombardment, i think also going to see prime minister cameron soon authorize military strikes if he gets support from his parliament. so you're seeing a stronger coalition. you're seeing the french with aerial bombardments with help from our air force, with raqqah providing targets and intelligence. so i think the coalition is starting to intensify and get

stronger, but it also has to have some kind of ground troops. i think eventually those ground troops will be more from iraq, the kurds. hopefully iran, turkey. i think there's still a lot of players that need to come forth in terms of the ground forces. here in europe, there is no support for ground forces, and in the united states. >> ambassador, you bring up a great point, though, about these regional forces moving ahead. i want to point out that we have the "charles de gaulle" aircraft carrier. france is repositioning itself closer in the mediterranean. that has 24 aircraft on it to continue out this bombing campaign against isis. no wars have ever really been won under a bombing campaign unless we bring up some horrific examples in history about bombs being useful for that.

so without ground forces and without americans on the ground, do you see a real resolution to the isis situation? >> it's going to be steady progress. this is going to be a long fight. but i think, thomas, we are -- we do have 50 trainers that are very active and very effective. we've got 3,500 troops on the iraq border. i'd give them a little more flexibility to train, but i think eventually it's going to take turkey is the big player that needs to step up. they have to open up the refugee quarters. they've got to get tougher. i think iraq, the kurds. i think you're seeing barzani step up more effectively and efficie efficiently.

a strong aerial bombardment if you add to the united states, you add the french that are very effective militarily. hopefully the british also. the prime minister cameron will get authorization. but there's no support, thomas, in europe or in the united states for ground forces. there may be among some republican candidates trying to get some political points, but i think at the same time you've got to have a strong diplomatic effort, and i see hollande, some possibility that putin will finally see that it's in his interest to play ball with europe and with the united states because president putin had an airliner shot down. a russian airliner in egypt. so isis is after him, too. >> they all have a common enemy right now. and something to be allied over. we'll see how it moves forward after this week with all these meetings taking place. former ambassador to the u.n. and former governor of new mexico, bill richardson, thank you. i'm joined in paris by olivia

sterns. she just got finished speaking with a syrian refugee here in france. what was their story? >> thomas, it's very sad situation. people see these terrible terrorist attacks. now they're saying not just here in france but also in the u.s., people are saying we don't want any syrian refugees. that's not the case. most of these terrorists if not all of them, were europeans and had european citizenship. i spoke to a 30-year-old woman. she is actually really one of the lucky ones. she left syria 2 1/2 years ago. spent 18 months in turkey and was fortunate enough to get an asylum visa to come here to france. she has a sister here. well educated. her life is incredibly challenging. i asked her what the hardest part of it was. she said the hardest part was watching her mother, her adorable 74-year-old mother who i had also met, be uprooted from the only place she's ever called home, damascus. listen to some of the conversation.

>> she left her house, she left her business. she left her family just because of me. i can't give her what she deserve. you know, it's really hard to be powerless. >> hard to be powerless. how long do you think it will take you. >> you can do the calculation. i'm going to tell you that we had as now near -- in the center of damascus. how much to get a house in the center of paris? >> never. >> so again, she was one of the lucky ones. upper middle class in damascus. owned their home. several cars. still she feels essentially hopeless in france.

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minister in the last hour wrapped up a briefing on the security situation in brussels having said the capital city will remain at the highest alert level. subways remain closed. schools will not reopen tomorrow. but they'll re-evaluate late in the day and decide what to do for tuesday. new questions following the paris terrorist attacks about what isis should be called. secretary of state john kerry and francois hollande have been calling the terrorist group by another name. take a listen. >> translator: necessary to destroy daesh or isil concerns the international community. >> joining me to talk about this is laura restin.

the word is daesh. so it's daesh? >> it's daesh. >> the emphasis on the last syllable. why have they chosen to use this terminology? >> it's been in use for over a year now in the islamic world. we've been seeing france use the term for over a year now. in september, the french government announced they'd stop calling it isis and start calling it daesh. now in the wake of the paris terror attacks we've seen kerry and president obama use the term daesh more frequently. and there's sort of a lot of names that isis goes by. but daesh is an interesting one. it's an acronym like isis for the full arabic name of the islamic state. and interestingly enough, it's been -- it has some perjorative

connotations. although it is an acronym, it sounds like some arabic words, including ones that mean a bigot who imposes his ideas on others. and the verb "to stomp" or trample upon. >> so isis or daesh, depending on if you want to talk -- daesh don't like the use of this word. they said do not call us this. >> that's correct. in fact, last year the associated press reported that people in mosul, the second largest city in iraq, they had been threatened. isis told them that if they used the term, they would get their tongues cut out of their mouths. so because of these more unsavory connotations, isis hates the use of daesh. >> very good to know. thank you for the latest on daesh. i think it's an appropriate terminology, at least for now. thank you so much, laura reston.

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approaching seven minutes before the hour and more signs of paris and all of france uniting in the wake of the attacks. french president fran what hollande's response has triggered a surge in his popularity. polls show him gaining seven to eight points. also the military has been inundated with requests for information to join the armed services. visits to air force recruiting centers have tripled since last friday. so what motivates isis and what could end its campaign of terror? joining me is graham wood, contributing editor to "the atlantic." a wrote an article shared a lot on social media last week. it's called "what isis really wants." with a welcome to you, what does isis really want? >> isis believes it has the only muslim government in the world. it's trying to create a state on

the model of the early followers of the prophet mohammed. it wants to create that state, the state that all muslims must flock to that implements sharia law in the way they propose. >> an antiquated state in modern times? >> they believe the law the prophet had in the seventh century, those were the ones that apply to all times. they're trying to apply them today and implement them perfectly. >> president called members of isis a bunch of killers with good social media. true? >> yeah, absolutely. that's certainly true. >> okay. that's the analysis right there. for your "atlantic" article, you said you read every isis statement you could find. first of all, that's extraordinary to me. what do you think matters more to this group, is it adhering to the interpretation of religion or is it its role as some sort of an identity movement? >> so they think of themselves as both. you know, they have certainly appeal to identity. they tell sunni muslims in

particular this is the fullest fulfill ment of your religion ad who you are as a social group. when you look at the way they justify themselves, they always appeal to religion. you can debate whether they appeal correctly or not, but they look to texts and islamic history. >> interestingly i talked about how this was widely shared on social media, even by supporters of isis. what did they say about your article? >> many of them liked it. you know, and as a writer, of course, i have mixed feelings about that. >> yeah. >> but they said, look, you talk to us, you read our statements, and you're correctly reporting what we say and that's really the least we can ask of an infidel journalist. >> who was clearly just being -- doing your homework and presenting it was an unbiased approach. we appreciate that. grahamwood, good to see you. before we go i want to bring in thomas roberts. he's been broadcasting in paris. lets get some final thoughts from you. i know there's memorials and the like, but the feel of paris right now for you, thomas, is

what? >> reporter: it feels like it's slowly getting back to a sense of itself. we keep using the phrase this new normal. obviously parisians know that they are vulnerable to attack. they lost 130 people last friday. senseless violence here on the streets, but we've seen people come out today, and alex, this is an image of an artist that came nearby putting hearts, paper hearts, into the subway vent and they were flying in the air and it was this beautiful sight earlier today and she said she just wants to show everybody love. so we've seen this city go from shock to putting up shrines to claiming to be survivors, but knowing that security is what's most important to them right now and taking their lives back from those who tried to take their security away. >> yeah, well, god bless all those folks in paris and great reporting. thank you so much, thomas roberts, from place de la republique. that's a wrap of this sunday edition of "weekends with alex

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this sunday, fighting isis. how do we defeat them, what should the u.s. strategy be, and how safe are we at home? we'll talk to the experts including homeland security chief jeh johnson and former defense secretary and head of the cia leon panetta on what needs to be done. plus, a bad week for american leadership. president obama sounds defensive. >> i don't know what more you want me to add. while the republicans go over the top on refugees. >> i would encourage, you mr. president, come back and insult me to my face. >> i want to surveil. i want surveillance of these people that are coming in. >> how will the isis threat and the politics of fear impact the 2016 campaign? also, syrian refugees and america.