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said -- >> ready. a man unleashes terror. >> he said quietly, hey, little mama, you see this knife? >> and a bus driver goes the distance to save a life. >> she was looking down and kind of teetering. >> ma'am, are you okay? i didn't know what was happening, but i am going to stop. >> "caught on camera, hell raisers and trailblazerers." ♪ i was literally begging for my daughter's life. >> horrifying moments inside a grocery store for a mother and her daughters. >> no one would ever suspect he was getting ready to do what he did. >> june 17th, 2013, it's a weekday afternoon for the midwest city, oklahoma police department led by police chief

brandon claves. just across the street security cameras are recording outside and inside this local walmart. nothing looks unusual including this man sammy wallace who's seen walking across the parking lot and into the store. >> in the surveillance tape you see sammy walk aimlessly throughout the store, going through different aisles, walking around. acting like he is on his cell phone. >> cameras are also positioned toward the back of the store, and the security camera shows that alicia keating is shopping with her daughters 12-year-old ashley and sitting in the cart with 2-year-old zoe. >> mom is going to the milk, produce aisle, taking things and putting them in the shopping cart and doesn't notice sammy wallace walking through the store. zoe makes eye contact with him and you can see sammy looks at her. >> wallace walks by, but a few moments circles back. he walks up to the cart and snatches zoe out of her seat.

when keating turns around, she can't comprehend what's happening. >> here's this huge, huge man standing there with my daughter in his arms. my first reaction was this can't be real? does he really have my baby, who is this. he said really quietly, hey little mama, you see this knife. >> the knife has a five-inch serrated blade and wallace is pressuring it against zoe's side. he hands keating his cell phone and makes a bizarre demand that she call a man named kevin in dallas. >> she is trying to do what he requests but she is nervous and can't get the number pulled up and can't call it. >> i was going to do everything in my power to make sure the baby didn't leave the store with him. so i panicked and started screaming at the top of my lungs. please help me. this man has my baby. please help me. as soon as i had everybody's attention, the store got eerily quiet and everyone crowded

around. >> with zoe under his arm, wallace starts to walk away. >> i followed him along. all i knew is i didn't want to leave my baby's side. >> the 12-year-old sister is in shock because she sees what is happening. and we have a patron who's a preacher, a local preacher here in oklahoma. he blocks wallace's pathway with the shopping cart and he says my name is sammy. you can look at my license and see. and then we got 911 calls. >> there is someone with a knife holding a little girl hostage. >> he is in the back of the store in the meat department and i am trying not to let him see me on the phone. >> moments after the calls come in, police officers rush to take positions around the store and evacuate the area. >> the s.w.a.t. team has arrived. we are trying to take tactical positions so if we have to take a shot, we can do so. captain david huff and sergeant

miller who are our crisis negotiators arrive at the scene, and they immediately start rapport with sammy wallace. we find out who he is, sammy wallace. we start doing a criminal background check and see if anyone is familiar with him. he has a pair of sunglasses on. he throws them on the ground. >> while negotiators engage wallace, zoe's mother is frantically pleading for her daughter. >> he wouldn't listen. he wouldn't put the knife down. i put my hands down and said in jesus name save my baby. please save my baby. >> she is agitating the situation because she is a loving mother. we had to force her from the scene for her protection and the protection of zoe. we wanted to negotiate it in to a peaceful end. >> keating's 12-year-old daughter is taken out of the store, and wallace is becoming increasingly erratic, and according to police he is starting to exhibit signs of

mental illness. >> he is talking about illuminoty which is a secret group that talks about conspiracy theories. he feels like the government is watching him and indicates that president george bush has been watching him. and he continues to ask us to call kevin, this dallas police officer. so we actually get ahold of kevin and kevin doesn't know mr. wallace, only knows he has his numbers and calls him so many times it is almost to an harassing point. >> the negotiators tell wallace they're unable to reach kevin and offer him a chair to sit down. it was a tactical advantage for us, because we knew we had his movement restricted. if we have to shoot mr. wallace the child won't fall from six foot level of height but smaller level. >> zoe is remarkably calm but wallace is deteriorating by the minute. >> he's sweating profusely, he's obviously agitated and irritated. david, who's trained in crisis intervention knows that mr. wallace is having a manic episode. he's trying to calm him down. >> but after more than 30

minutes of negotiations, wallace still isn't cooperating. instead he begins to counting down. >> you better get kevin here within 60 minutes or i'm going hurt this child. then it accelerated to 30 minutes, and then 60 seconds. he went 60, 40, 30, 20, and captain huff knew this is extremely critical, and at the same time he takes the knife from the rib cage and puts it to her chin and neck and the child starts to squirm. that's when captain huff felt the child was being injured. >> wallace's countdown doesn't stop and captain huff is forced to make a decision. >> in this particular case when he has the child clinched so close to him and his head, he knew that he had one option to shoot him in the head, and it had to be point blank range. he tried to squat down to divert sammy's attention.

he looks to the left, which was a good tactical approach on our part. >> captain huff walks toward wallace, points his weapon at wallace's head and pulls the trigger. >> i heard the shot go off and i thought, oh, my god, they just killed her. i thought she's dead. i just started screaming and jumping around. >> the shot kills sammy wallace and saves the life of 2-year-old zoe. >> captain huff takes zoe out of sammy's arms. he immediately hands her off to sergeant miller who rushes her up to alicia, who's at the front of the store. >> when i saw zoe i nearly flew through that door. she had blood all over her. he kept saying it's not her blood. it's not her blood. she's okay. i reached out and grabbed her and pulled her in to me. and it was the best moment. it was the best moment of my life. >> come here. can i have a kiss? >> the s.w.a.t. team approaches wallace, they remove the knife,

throw it to the said and then wallace falls to the floor. that's how we disarmed him. he literally still had the knife clinched in his hand even after shot in the head. >> police discovered wallace had spent the last decade incarcerated in texas prisons. >> we learned from his family that he was paranoid schizophrenic, not taking his medication. >> i felt sorry for him. my heart broke for him. i don't want anybody to die and i pray for his family. >> it's a horrible situation, but we had no choice. sammy wallace dictated the end of the situation. david huff is a hero. this will affect captain huff for the rest of his life. i'm sure his heart was up in the middle of his throat when he pulled the trigger, but he saved that child's life. >> it is because of his decision that my daughter is alive. my hugs are a lot tighter. when i watch her play i've never been more thankful. coming up, an overachiever at dizzying heights. >> i was so nervous about

jumping with her. i had never taken anyone that old. >> three, two, one. and later -- a judge doesn't take bad behavior sitting down. >> did you say [ bleep ] me. >> actually i did. >> did you say that? >> yes, sir, i did. >> oh, you did say that? >> when "caught on camera: hellraisers and trailblazers" continues. the cold truth is... [coughing] okay kids, let's go. no one can really fill your shoes when you're sick. [toy car electric motor] [toy car horn beeping] alka-seltzer plus hot drink mix has

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you may have seen base jumpers before, but you've probably never met a thrill seeker like 102-year-old dorothy custer. with only a few seconds to pull the chute, base jumping is not for the faint of heart. it's a thrill that world renowned base jumper sean chase

nearly every day in twin falls, idaho. >> i have done 2,150 base jumps as of today. i definitely down to risk my life for it still. it's definitely the passion of my life. it's different from skydiving. base jumping is more basic. there's one parachute. no backup because there's no time for one. we pack it like it is the only chance, since it is. >> the bridge sits 500 feet above the snake river in twin falls and it's a hot spot for base jumpers who can legally jump from the bridge any day of the week without a permit. >> i jump off this bridge, i'd say, probably four days a week, about five times a day, on average, about 20 jumps a week. >> three, two, one, see ya! i feel very confident in what i'm doing. i don't feel like i'm taking a huge risk every time.

that's fun stuff. >> living just a few minutes away from the action of the bridge is 102-year-old twin falls resident dorothy custer. ♪ >> there was a guy from new york and he said playing the harmonica is the best thing in the world for your lungs. so i've just kept it up. >> player harmonica hasn't been the only key to her longevity. dorothy believes it is all in her head. think positive and help others. that's why we are here on this earth. >> for her 102nd birthday, her grandson proposed an idea. knowing her love of adventure, he thought she should celebrate a big birthday in a bold way. >> greg, her grandson, called me one day. i told him i would take people

on tandem base jumps and he asked if i could take dorothy. i said i need to meet her and see if she is in good physical condition enough to do it. a couple of days later i went and visited her. she's so sharp. she was actually in really good shape for 102 years old. that's when i decided to go for it. >> he said, would you jump? and i said, i don't see why not. as i said there's only two things that happen. i could either make it or i wouldn't and either way it didn't make any difference. >> june 2nd, 2013, sean and dorothy get suited up for their tandem jump from the middle of the bridge. >> i put her in full body armor, pads made for motocross just in case we jumped in to anything. i didn't want her to get hurt. >> cameras are positioned to capture every angle, on sean's helmet, dorothy's hand and another base jumper who will jump alongside them. >> we had to have her climb over the rail, which was going to be

challenging. so we brought a ladder out. >> i climbed up on the ladder and got over the railing onto this stand. >> then i just grabbed her, because she only weighs 90 pounds, and put her down on the platform. >> he was right there hanging on to me. there was nothing to be afraid of at all. i had all the confidence in the world with sean. >> sean and dorothy are standing on a platform that is affixed to the edge of the bridge. >> we had to turn to where her feet were over the edge. that's the hardest part when they jump because it is not a natural thing. it is the things that bad dreams are made of. >> i wasn't nervous. it didn't bother me a bit. as i say, heights just don't bother me. i climbed too many trees and too

many high haystacks. >> her camera's good? >> yep. >> now there's nothing left to do but jump. >> i was so nervous about jumping with her. i never had taken anyone that old. i asked if she was ready and she just, with this hardened voice she said -- >> ready. >> there was no hesitation. she wasn't backing down. we gave it a big countdown and went for it. three, two, one. then it was just silence. she wasn't pushing against me or anything. and when the parachute opened, then she started laughing. and it was hilarious. i just felt hale real calm hearing her laugh because i knew she was fine. when she was silent i kind of wondered if everything was okay, just from the opening of the parachute. the landing was definitely going to be the scariest part of the whole thing. that's how most jumpers get hurt. i knew with her i had to have the softest landing that i have ever. and i flared the canopy and grabbed her pants and pulled her

legs up so that her feet barely touched the ground. >> i did it. that was so quick. >> all right. >> i can't believe you. [ laughter ] >> yes! >> oh, boy. that was a thrill. but it was so quick. seemed to me it was fast. it was too short. i wanted to go a little farther. that was so cool. >> her jump may have felt short, but it set big records making dorothy a trailblazer as the oldest known base jumper. >> i think i'm the oldest one that was stupid enough to jump off. >> i'm very honored to be part of that. it was a big challenge. i'm happy that i got to do it because now her and i are just best friends. >> you have to play for me sometime. >> come out and i will play anything i know. >> okay. >> "turkey and the straw" or

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[ bleep ]. >> a young woman disrespects the court. [ bleep ]. >> but this judge overrules her hellraising behavior. >> come back again. >> february 4th, 2013, closed circuit television cameras are recording proceeding inside of a miami-dade courtroom when circuit judge jorge rodriguez calls upon his next case,

18-year-old penelope soto. she's charged with possession of the controlled substance xanax, a prescription drug used to treat anxiety disorders. >> penelope soto. you are charged with possession of xanax. >> according to her arrest affidavit, soto had been found the day before with small bags of xanax in her purse that she did not have a prescription for. in order to set her bond, the court just first determine soto's assets. >> ms. soto, are you working? >> yes. >> how much money are you making a week approximately? >> approximately 200 bucks a week. >> okay . and do you own any property of value, a house, car, bank accounts, significant amounts of jewelry? >> yes. >> what do you own? >> i own a lot of jewelry all right as well as -- >> go ahead. >> and a car. >> how much would you say your jewelry is worth? it's not a joke. we are not in a club now. >> it's kind of -- >> it is -- >> be serious about it. >> i'm being serious about it.

you just make me laugh. i apologize. >> it's all right. how much is your jewelry worth? >> like what. >> like rick ross. >> the judge doesn't understand soto's reference to south florida rapper rick ross. >> have you had any kind of drugs in the last 24 hours? >> actually, no. >> actually no? >> soto has no prior convictions, the judge sets her bond at $5,000. this day in court should end here, but soto takes it one hellraising step further. >> bye-bye. >> adios. >> come back, ma'am. come back. come back. let me take her again. count one will be 10,000.

>> are you serious? >> i am serious. adios. >> the judge doubles soto's bond, and the exchange gets a laugh from onlookers in the court. lesson learned, not really? >> come back again. come back again. bring her back again. >> what's up? >> i believe i heard you saying -- >> yes, i did. i'm not going to -- >> i believe you -- did you say [ bleep ] me? did you say that? >> yes, sir. >> i find you in contempt. 30 days in the county jail. >> okay. >> our whole system depends on respect for judges and their orders. when there is outrageous disrespect the judge has to do something meaningful. here it was jail time. >> okay. that is fine. >> 30 days in the county jail.

>> after spending four nights in county jail, soto is once again facing the judge and this time she's not laughing. soto's private attorney, steven h. rosen, has filed a motion to have the criminal contempt charge dropped. >> mr. rosen, miss soto. >> stand up. >> as you know -- you may sit down. >> thank you. >> i want you to understand that there is case law that specifically says that what you did, flipping the finger and what you said -- >> i'm sorry. >> listen, do not say a word. >> i just -- >> relax. this is not the end of the world. >> okay. >> flipping the finger and what you said is contemptuous language. contemptuous behavior. you get contempt. it makes you a convicted felon

and that will be with you for the rest of your life. >> now it's the attorney's turn to plead soto's case. >> her judgment on that day was impaired by her ingestion of drugs and alcohol prior to her coming to your courtroom. that impairment, even though i don't condone her actions, led her to the conduct that was contemptuous before you. >> soto's attorney brings forward an administrator from an outpatient mental health drug and rehab facility who evaluated soto while she was in jail. >> she presented symptoms of anxiety. this is common for substance abuse and she consumed alcohol, they combine it with xanax and it is dangerous. >> soto's mother is next to testify. >> tell her about miss soto and her behavior with you at home. >> sweet.

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we are watching the developing news and at any time we are expecting a a news conference from the belgian federal prosecutor. these are the microphones where he is is expected to speak sh t shortly. six arrests have been made in the capital city of brussels, an meanwhi meanwhile, the city is on lockdown and the schools and offices will be shutdown tomorrow in what officials are calling an imminent terror threat. we will have a live news conference from belgian when it happens. now, back to the regular programming.

skiers take on a back flip of record-breaking proportions. >> whoa. >> he may only be 21, but mikhail kingsbury has already scored major athletic fetes as a member of canada's skiing team training for the olympics. just outside of montreal, is kingsbury's training ground and it's there he got the big idea to break a world record. the source of his inspiration, a 35-year-old photograph of a 19-person back flip on skis. >> i saw the picture here in the bar. i was thinking about it for a couple of years. i was sitting here with the owner of the mountain and i asked if it would be able to do it again and not beat the record

by not a little bit but much more. he told me, if you find the people, i will build you a jump, and we'll do it. i said, cool, i nknow a lot of people who are a good skier. >> a april 14th, 2013. at the top of the mountain, kingsbury is prepping for a potentially record-breaking day with a whooping 30 skiers ready to perform the jump. friend friends and family are waiting in eager anticipation capturing it all in their cameras.

>> i went like this. and i was moving, moving. i was like, oh, we're going to be limit 25. the jump is not large enough. so i was kind of nervous at first. >> for their first practice run, kingsbury starts small, performing the back flip with just one other person. so far so good. so kingsbury ups the ante, each time adding more and more people. >> we did a group of 12, then two group of 12 so people could practice. then 18 so we don't break the record now. we did 18. okay. let's put everyone now. >> all 30 skiers get in to formation at the top of the jump, and off they go. they make the flip. woo! >> once airborne, some of the skiers lose their grips and

their hand-to-hand chain is broken. the group sets up to give it one more try. >> everybody was excited and we said three, two, one, go. and then the people that were higher because it was flatter had to go first. and everybody jump pretty much at the same time. >> this time, a record-breaking success. >> the landing was perfect. >> a photographer catches the jump frame by frame. >> it's impressive to see 30 people at the same time do a back flip and land pretty much all at the same time. it wasn't just to beat the record a cool event to have fun and the dvd went worldwide. from a moment of greatness that's one for the record books to a moment of greatness that's the difference between life and death. >> miss are you all right? >> october 18th, 2013, nfta bus driver darnell barton is working his route in buffalo, new york at the beginning of the evening rush hour. he picks up students at a high school and heads across the overpass.

the bus's closed-circuit camera is recording when he notices that a woman who has crossed the guardrail is leaning over to the narrow edge. traffic is rushing by beneath her and the woman appears to be on the brink of committing suicide. >> she was looking down and teetering a little. i thought it was fake. pedestrian walked by, a cyclist rolled by. that added to me thinking that it was not real, because of the normalcy going on around her. >> even though others are passing the woman by, barton decides to stop his bus that's full of passengers. >> i thought that if this were a loved one of mine, or if this was me, what would i want someone to do for me? we are interpreting the regular programming for breaking news out of belgium where a series of police raids have been under way. we will go to the press conference which is in french as well as in belgian, and so we

will have a translation for you. straight to belgium. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: i will read a press release and there is no questions or answers or interruptions today. we are going to do this in order to not interfere with the ongoing investigation.

[ speaking foreign language ] >> can you translate, because you are on the air? >> yes, he is speak dutch, and you have to wait for him to speak french, because he is speak dutch now. as you heard from the translators what is happening is that the belgian officials are going to be giving the news briefing and reading from a written texts, and some of it will be in french and some of it will be in dutch. and the translator assigned to this, and it is very clear to state that as it is going from one language to another when it is french, she would be able to

translate. so we will dip in and out and try to get what the results are from that translation. and we will go back to that right now. okay. it appears that the briefing is still being conducted in dutch, and perhaps we will then see a delivery of that written notice in french, and perhaps english as well. we will bring in ron mott. ron, we are watching it carefully, because in the last five or six hours tlshg was much action in the very location that you were at and we believe that perhaps they may be able to give us some information about what that raid or series of raids may have been involved in, and all of that activity that is behind you. can you give us a time line, and the background to what brought us to this hour?

>> well, tonight, richard, there was several blocks from where we were going live for much of the evening, a lot of the police started to respond a few blocks away. we are in the area called the grand place area of downtown brussels, and so we scrambled over there, and the police had cordoned off several blocks there, and now we have since learned that one tof the suspecs arrested was wounded in that area. now i have just gotten a note handed to me as the prosecutor continues his press conference that 16 people, 1-6 #, 16 people are arrested tonight, and apparently a car attempted to run over the police allegedly, and the police opened fire on the vehicle, and we believe that is where the one suspect was injured. we don't know exactly the location of that, and whether it is in fact the grand place area, but as we know one of the people arrested to the night was injure ed, and so that is perhaps what we are seeing the last few hours

here. and it happened not far from here. >> okay. maybe a translation of the briefing. back to the briefing. >> translator: those raids happened in the districts of the area, and three other raids in la charte. 16 people were arrested. the dutch will decide tomorrow what will be their detention status. during one raid in mollen be beak -- mollenbeek, there was a shot, and a vehicle left the

raid, and he was arrested. right now, it is difficult to say if there is a link between the raid and the investigation. the other raids did not occur in a particular incident concerning the objects and the identity of people arrested, we cannot give any more information at this point. at this point, no weapons or explosives were discovered or found. saleh abdeslam was not found during the raids. the element of the investigation needed an intervention this sunday evening. the investigation is ongoing, and in the interest of the investigation we cannot communicate anymore details at this point. the federal prosecution and the police wish to thank the media, but also to the yusers of socia

media for having are respected the ongoing operations. yes. a total of 19 houses searched in the brussels region, and the searches took place in molenbeek and also three house searches a and those were carried out in la charte. the judge will determine more. and in molenbeek, the vehicle

tried to run over the police, and the suspect was later found and arrested. the man who was hurt -- we cannot confirm. >> translator: no further information can be given about the objects found. nor about the identity of the persons arrested. until now no firearms or explosives were found. saleh abdeslam is not among the persons arrested during the searches. specific elements of the inquiry necessitated the operation are of sunday night. the investigation continues. in the interest of the further inquiry currently no more details can be given. the federal prosecutor's office

and the police offices insist on thanking the press and the users of the social media for having taken into account the needs of the ongoing operation when covering the operation. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming. for the time being that will be all. good night. nothing. really, nothing in the interest of the investigation, we cannot have any further comment. thank you. a very short statement in french as well as in english and as well as in dutch. you saw that as they made through the report, the prosecutor, and the other officials there in belgium giving us the latest which is the headline here that the

eighth individual, that eighth attacker salah abdeslam, 26, a belgium national is not part of the activity that happened that they are reporting on tonight. that is the headline, but 16 arrested in those police raids that our own ron mott was telling us just before we had to go to their statements, and nbc's ron mott is still with us. ron, early reports that it was six and now hearing that it is 16 individuals, and they are making no correlation here to what happened in paris as of yet. but this entire activity set was a place that you were at, it appears from with what they are saying there, and describe it that it was only four or five hours ago that we first learned about this? >> that is correct. and we have to, because of the statement by the federal prosecutor, and by the way his name is eric van dersit, and the

police apparently fired into the vehicle and the driver was wounded an arrested. it is not at this location, but apparently occurred in the molenbeek area of brussels, and so 16 arrests in all, and sounds like multiple locations around the city tonight. as you mentioned, salah abdeslam was not among those arrested and taken into custody, and tomorrow, and today rather, because it is past midnight here, and whether any of the announcements with the links of ongoing investigation into the alleged plots they are trying to break up for terror here in the city of brus sells to see if any of the 16 people arrested may have had some involvement in that. that is the latest here,

richard. as you obviously mention ed the headline is that the person that they are most interested in apprehending was not among the 16. >> and ron n the minute we have is here, another piece of information they gave us, no weapons found, no bombs. where you are at, what did you hear if anything? >> well, very little. it is little activity and most of the interesting color from that particular location where people were getting past the police barricades and getting a mouthful from the police. that is pretty much all we could report from that location. there were at the very end two cop cars whizzing past our location with the lights flashing which seemed to signal the end of that particular location. we don't know what went down there, but apparently, you know, there was an arrest effected in that area. >> right. a good parallel to what was happening in as well paris, although you did not necessarily

hear much, and the sirens occasionally, and there were many arrests that resulted are from the police raids that were happening in paris early on after attack on friday. nbc's ron mott reporting live for us there from brussels, and very early hour there, and getting on to 11:00 a.m. again, and we heard from the belgium officials and including the prosecutor there that they have not found abdeslam in the arrests. they were arresting 16 individuals, and three houses looked into in the process, and as said, no weapons or bombs involved in this one. and so, we will continue the follow the story on msnbc in terms of what is happening in belgium. we will be right back after this break.

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>> we don't follow the coverage out of europe, this out of

belgium as we continue the cover the paris attacks, and now at this moment jim cavenaugh our nbc law enforcement expert. and the reason we want the bring you in, jim, for those just joining u and you as well, they have just announced in the last 15 minutes, the arrest of 16 individuals. they did not find the key number eight. the eighth attacker, and the the manhunt now going on for more than a week for abdeslam, and the interesting part, jim, they found no weapon, no bombs and yet they did have a vehicle according to the reports actually drive towards the law enforcement officials there. what are you making of the facts that have been given by the officials just within the last ten minutes, jim? >> well, yes, richard, it is looking to me like they are going right to the heart of the people who are maybe harboring abdeslam. he is who they want. maybe he had a suicide belt on, and they really want him bad.

they have done 800 raids, and what happens when you do multiple raids like that, you get a whole lot of information and center in on the key play s players, and that is what happened in saint denis, the tips and the information. this is is a follow-up to that. they want him bad. remember, he drove to the three suicide bombers to the soccer stadium and came south. the brother this, we have since found out went into the cafe, and his suicide vest low ordered as we say in the business, and it did not completely detonate. it did not kill any citizens and blew a foot hole in the abdoemen and his brother died. so the bomb on his brother, was a malfunction. and now, did salis is a la -- bomb not detonate or was he like

the tactical leader abaaoud who was going to live to create more savagery? >> well, the part is that the law enforcement officials were so clear in thanking the public and the media for the standing down, if you will if they were in the area or if they had access to pictures of the operations that were going down, there in belgium in the last at least five or six hour sh, and it is so important i guess that as they go through it that they asked for the very acceptance of those in the public, and something that we didn't necessarily see in paris. >> right. you want to get on top of somebody quickly, and move before they are there and look at the saint denis raid, and the tactical team used an explosive entry, but when they put it on the door, it was armored and that alerted the occupants inside to strap the suicide vests and grab the kalashnikovs and engage in the battle.

if they had breached the doors, the tactical officers could have gotten on top them of them before the suicide vest, and they say, don't alert the people in the area, and don't alert them, and they won't have time to get them to the arms and we can get to them and secure it. and these in belgium were quietly, and no firearms there, and they are looking for the associates who could be harboring salah. they are worried that he could carry out an attack by himself or associate, and if he is there, helping to hide, and if not, he is slipping on a cord and trying to make it to syria. the future is bleak, because when they recruit you to the death cult, you are expendable. >> and many are looking for him. and his bro her thrs' interview today so informative and

important certainly to the investigators there, and i want to bring in ron mott to summarize for us in a moment, and i was just talking to the social media aspect, ron mott, and they are saying for us and others not the say anything, and this is as they are undertaking the quick-moving raids tonight. >> yes, and it is part of the dna as journalists, richard, to give as precise a set of information that we can, and sometimes, it is information working against the police a officers who are trying to as james said there, trying to get on top of the folks before they know that they are there. this is a world where many people are on social media and they are live tweeting what is happening in the neighborhoods below. these arrests are not going to affect the level four terror

threat assessment maintained today, and that means that tomorrow is going to be another day, and essentially what the capital will be shutdown. >> another day so tough for the folks there. ron mott, thank you, and our law enforcement expert jim cavenaugh. right here on msnbc, we will continue the follow the story, but for now, we will go back to regular programming. behind the online pictures, they are the desperate ones. >> i want to go