emergency vehicles and taking off. so we assume that if anything transpires here, if the suspect himself is wounded or needs medical treatment, they would come out of this location. matt prich artchards is there. traffic is being turned away at all locations. andy cohen at the parking lot in coronado high school. what can you tell us, andy? okay, we lost andy cohen. but last word, we had spoken with andy. he had interviewed a gentleman by the name of dirk, whose niece -- >> we're listening to local coverage from our affiliate kaoo in colorado springs. as they are trying to piece

together what's going on at the king supers shopping center. where there's an active shooting situation under way. there's a huge police and fire response. it's been going on now since 11:38 local time, when somebody in the vicinity of the planned parenthood that is in this shopping center, reported an active shooter. that shooter has not been found. that is according to police just a short while ago. the situation is not considered contained. people in the stores, whether they are customers or work there, have been holed up for hours now, have been told not to let anybody inside or outside as police try to contain the situation. there are three officers confirmed injured. we know that a local hospital has received three injured. we don't know if those are the police officers or if they're civilians. there are reports of an unknown amount of civilian injuries. we don't know how serious any of these injuries are.

a spokesperson at the hospital that we spoke to just a short while ago didn't know either. that's how fluid the situation is. there are any number of reporters heading to the scene and they're trying to get more information. it's hard to do when police don't know everything just yet either. let's bring in clint van zandt who is one of our experts on situations such as this. in fact, you have been in many situations just like this, clint. tell us what's going on from what you can see. >> both as an fbi hostage negotiator, as a first responder, and of course as a criminal profiler, deal in situations like this. i think you did a very good job resetting where we're at. the challenge for the authorities right now is that we're told at least three police officers have been injured. the story we have so far, of course, suggests that a call came in, ostensibly from or near the planned parenthood office in this small strip mall,

suggesting there was a man with a gun. the first three responding officers, we believe, came in, in three separate vehicles, all were engaged by a gunman with a long gun. when we hear that long gun, that suggests normally either a shotgun or a rifle. of course on a worst case, a semi- automatic weapon, something such as that -- >> clint, sorry, i just want to interrupt you for just a second, because it looks like we saw a couple of civilians being rushed out by law enforcement on the scene. we are seeing this live picture. a s.w.a.t. vehicle just came rushing back -- or is rushing back out again. we've seen that same vehicle do that a number much times so far. there are two ambulances right there, it looked like two women who were being run from the scene by police officers. we don't know where they came from. they might have been inside a car. we know that people might have been in their cars at the time. we know that people are stuck

inside stores as well. so i just wanted to point out that that's what's going on right now, and please continue. >> yeah, one of the things law enforcement would have done is told everyone in the shooting itself, if they couldn't escape, or in the businesses nearby, to shelter in place. i'm watching the same shot that you just commented on. and again, that could suggest that they're evacuating nearby buildings to get innocent people out of the way. or they may even have active negotiations going on with the shooter and that could be individuals released. we don't know right now. and of course the challenge for law enforcement, even if they have, let's say a shooter in custody, or a shooter down, they don't know at this point, if there were multiple individuals or not. so, like every other scenario we see like this, you're going to see law enforcement continue to press until they have at least one shooter in custody.

and then they're going to have to make a decision, are there other individuals involved? what type of vehicle did the shooter use to get there? is that vehicle still there? so it's a highly fluid situation. we see on the right of your screen, the tactical officers that are there. we're at least an hour's drive from denver. so even though the local law enforcement is very good. to get tactical teams on scene can easily take an hour, two hours. and again, here we are, the day after thanksgiving. we were all leaning forward in the saddle, thinking if we were going to have a terrorist related situation, it likely would have taken place on thanksgiving, but again, we never know the minds of someone who would do something like this, and why they would do it. sometimes the thinking is, let's wait until the day after and law enforcement will be less prepared. so right now, we don't know a whole lot about this situation. we know there's a lot of law enforcement on scene. we know there are tactical

teams. i just saw a shot where there was at least five ambulances, stacked up, waiting, unfortunately to see if they were needed to transport other individuals. we know there are three officers that are injured. we presume shot and down. we know there are three people in the hospital, and we also are hearing that there may be multiple other injuries. and that seems to be the extent of what we know right now. hopefully law enforcement knows more. for example, do they have a shooter? do they have him or her contained in one location? those are all the things they need to find out. >> let's talk about what we're seeing right now. these ambulances have been sitting there for hours, waiting. now we see two circling and a stretcher coming out of two of them. i counted one just a moment ago. and somebody, it looks like a uniformed officer is being loaded onto that stretcher right now. >> i see the same thing,

unfortunately, and obviously that suggests, we've told three officers have been hit. that may be one of the three, and it may be a fourth officer. but what it also suggests is that if there was a wounded officer, they would have got him or her out of there just like a civilian, as quick as they could. seeing that we're two hours into this situation and we're still getting people evacuated, that's not a good sign, because it suggests that there may have been people injured for the last two hours or more that law enforcement has not been able to get to until this very moment. so this is a very dramatic scene right now. we see law enforcement working as hard as they can to get the injured out. and realize, of course, their responsibility dealing with the snow, the weather they're in, is to find the shooter or shooters and make sure that person doesn't have a chance to injure anyone else like the presumed injured people we're watching

right now be evacuated from the area. >> are they able to contact people inside a store? what's the priority when they cannot reach them? >> one of the things they'll try to do, try to contact in multiple ways. they'll toll the telephones inside stores or buildings. number two, everybody has a cell phone and there may be people who have already sent text messages or called out. that information would have been provided to law enforcement. so as you suggested earlier, they'll have a mobile command post on site. and they'll start trying to determine how many people they know they have in a given location. again, this may be multiple store fronts that they may have people barricaded in, hiding in, or injured in. while they're trying to figure out what they have, how do they get to them and how do they avoid anyone else getting shot. >> clint, hold that thought. we're going to take a break as we gather more information on this developing situation in colorado springs.

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we have more live pictures from colorado springs at a shopping center where there's an active shooter situation under way as we speak. the gunman has not been found. police don't know if there's one or more. the situation is described as unstable. and for hours now, people have been holed up inside stores, inside the shopping center, whether they were shopping at the time, or working. they are still hunkering down as police have told them to, inside those stores. joining me now on the phone is karen kesterson. she's inside a super cuts on centennial boulevard that has been shut down. describe your situation. >> i don't know if it's something wrong with the phones, but i keep having a guy and a girl talk to me. so if i get confused -- >> it's just me now. my name is melissa. >> um, okay. pretty much, we were sitting down on the chairs and then we

saw -- we saw two cop cars driving by really fast. so of course, we were like, whoa, what the heck is going on? so we got up and we looked outside and it was almost immediately we heard gun shots. >> how many, do you think? >> oh, easily over 20. >> really? >> easy. there was a lot. and so my brother-in-law is a police officer. so i immediately called him. and, you know, he was off, and he's just like, calm down, it's okay. and i was on the phone with him, still looking outside, and i saw an officer fall to the ground right after i heard a gunshot. i guess later it was confirmed that he was shot in the hand. so that's good, if it's true. and then we just watched and saw yelling and more cop cars pulling up and more gun shots. and then a police officer was walking up and down the

sidewalks, telling everybody to get in a back room, lock the doors, don't let anybody in or out. since then, we've been in our back break room. so we haven't really heard anything. and they called all units out. so that means my brother-in-law had to go out too. >> so how many people do you have inside your store, and how are people holding up? >> it's just me and my manager. so just two. at first, we were shooken off. we're still shaken and crying on and off, but everybody is calling us from the news and radio, so it's kind of keeping us busy. so -- >> you said that your brother-in-law is a police officer. did you hear from him that they called all units and he's out there? >> my sister said that all units were called out. and then at first, they were like, no, he doesn't have to go

yet. and then almost two seconds later, he got called in. >> have you heard any news about how they're doing from there? have you been able to talk with your sister and get some more information? >> well, everybody's texting me and saying that, oh, he's contained. and then two seconds later, oh, no, he's still running, he's still loose, and so we honestly don't know what's going on. >> did you see the shooter? >> not at all. >> we have a tweet. can you stay with us for just a moment? i want to read a new tweet that we have from planned parenthood if we can get that. this is it on your screen. >> we're monitoring the situation at the colorado springs planned parenthood center. right now our concern is for the safety of patients, staff, and police. that is for the planned parenthood which is right there in the same shopping center as you. caren, how close are you to

there? >> we have about maybe a quarter mile between us. all the shooting went down at the chase bank. and then the chase bank is right in the middle of our store and the planned parenthood. about how much time between you hearing shots and were they in rapid succession all at once? or were they spread out over time? okay, go ahead, i'm sorry. >> sorry. some was spread out. some was rapid. and wait for a second and then another rapid shot. you know, so -- >> i know it's a hard question for you to answer, but does it sound like there was one shooter or two? >> i don't know. because you don't know if it's the cops shooting or the guy shooting. >> right. that's fair. how long when you hearing gun shots did you see the police? >> oh, no, we saw the police before the gun shots. police pulled up right away and then like almost instantly, we

heard the gun shots. >> so how are you holding up? are you -- at this point you said you were balling your eyes out earlier. have you gotten any kind of encouragement from police? have they knocked on your door again or -- >> not yet. >> it was just that initial, get inside. what exactly did they say to you? >> he said get back away from the window, lock your doors, don't let anybody in or out. >> had anybody tried to come in and seek shelter? >> there was one guy, but -- there was one guy, i'm pretty sure he might have just came in for a hair cut. this was when it first started. but he said don't let anybody in or out because you don't know if that's the gunman or not. >> is this a busy day, being

black friday? how would you compare this day to any other before all this happened? >> very slow. we usually are pretty slow, though, on black friday. >> i'm sorry. could you repeat that last part? >> we were slow, and we usually are very slow to black friday anyways. >> thank you very much for joining us. stay with us, because we would like to check back with you. and we're glad you're okay. >> thank you. >> and we are just following the situation that you're seeing live on television. this is the very latest that we have from colorado springs. there at the king supers shopping center, your typical suburban shopping center with a supermarket and lots of stores. among them, a ups, and a super cuts and a planned parenthood. it's very unclear what was any possible target. we just heard for the first time

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>> we are getting the latest now from colorado springs where there's an active shooter situation. ten tenial shooting is still active. officers are encountering gunfire. joining me now, karen kefterson inside a super cuts on centennial boulevard. caren, can you hear gunfire? >> yeah, i've heard -- yeah. >> you're safe, right? >> yes. >> you're staying away from the windows and the doors, right? >> we're in the back break room. and we keep hearing it and then immediately my sister is texting me, saying a deputy just got shot in the leg and then a sniper got shot and then another shot in the leg. >> how many gun shots do you -- we just spoke two minutes ago. how many gun shots do you think

you've heard since then? >> maybe like three. but i'm freaking out and talking to myself. so actively, three. >> we absolutely understand, and you don't have to worry about being exact. i'm just trying to sort of give all of us an idea of what's happening there. and it sounds at the very least, very chaotic and dangerous, especially for the officers who are out there. one of whom is your brother-in-law. i'm sure you are very worried. >> yes. [ voice cracking and crying ] >> yes. >> hang in there. hang in there, okay? caren, we're going to come back to you. stay on the phone with your sister. we know you have a manager in

there with you. and i'm sure police will keep you very safe. just stay away from those doors and windows. okay? we're going to check back with you. all right, joining me on the phone is another eyewitness, bridget wolf. she works at a business on the same street as the planned parenthood center. i understand that s.w.a.t. teams came to your business, is that right? >> uh, yes, they are still here. >> they're still there? >> yes. >> outside or inside? >> inside. >> the s.w.a.t. teams are inside with you? >> yes. >> what are they telling you to do? >> they're telling us to hide. >> how long have the s.w.a.t. teams been inside your business? >> for about probably ten minutes. >> okay. do you get the sense that they're using it as a command post? do you get the sense that this is happening very close to you? >> i feel like it's happening

close to us, but i don't think it's a command post. >> okay. are you getting any sense of any kind of a plan here? because we understand that in the past two minutes or so that more shots have been fired. have you heard those shots? >> i personally have not heard the shots. our place of business is pretty enclosed. so we don't really hear too much. and so of course we've had the doors locked and closed since this has been happening. even now with the doors open, we're all the way in the back and so we've not heard anything. what is the -- i don't know what the word is to use, it's not coming to me. but are the officers calm? how are they behaving in the situation? are they trying to calm you down? what are they doing and saying?

>> when they first came in, they just asked if they could come in. because we have windows that are facing the planned parenthood. >> okay. >> and, um, so but then just a few minutes later, one officer started just like yelling at us to hide in the back where there's no windows, and just make sure that there's four walls around us with no windows. >> we have just found out that the colorado springs police department have asked the fbi to respond to the situation as well. so we now have local police and we have s.w.a.t. teams and we understand the fire department, and we understand now that the fbi has been asked to respond to this situation. that is ongoing if not escalating in the past few minutes or so. we have heard eyewitness reports and confirmation that shots have

been fired, including from a woman inside one of the stores whose brother-in-law is a police officer on the scene. she is on the phone with her sister, who is telling her various reports that we don't know are confirmed, that officers have been shot. three have been injured already. along with an unknown number of civilians. we really don't know what that means. that could be zero. it could be several. we know three people have been taken to a local hospital. we don't kw if those are the three officers who have been confirmed injured. we don't know anybody's condition at this point. we do know the gunman has not only been contained, but just a few minutes ago, they didn't even know where the gunman was. but just a few minutes ago, we've heard there's more gunfire being heard on the scene. and we are waiting for more information. you're watching msnbc. plaque psoriasis...

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we have just been notified from a white house official, the president has been notified by his homeland security adviser, lisa monaco, and we'll be updated on the situation as necessary. we are trying to reach our kristin welker, and i'm sure she's on top of all this. she's up? okay, kristin welker, what do you know? >> hey, melissa, just moments ago, you're right, a white house official confirmed that president obama has been

notified about the shooting in colorado. he was notified by lisa monaco, his homeland security adviser. this is typical whenever there is a shooting situation like this. we anticipate that the president will be notified and he will continue to monitor the situation throughout the afternoon, throughout the early evening. now, he is currently out playing golf. the big question is, will we hear from him in some way, shape, or form? no indication that that is going to happen at this point. but clearly the white house closely monitoring this situation. this say presideis a president o speak in the wake of a number of shooting incidents, which have claimed multiple lives. the president has of course pushed for stiffer gun control. that has never happened, so this has been a politically thorny issue, of course one that is

painful for everyone across the country. and to hear the situation happening yet again. we'll bring you any updates we get and of course update once the president returns. >> we know you will, thank you very much. we want to go to some sound from colorado springs. kathryn buckley, who brought us up to date on everything they know at this point. >> 11:38 this morning, received a call for service of shots fired in the area of the planned parenthood, the 3400 block of centennial boulevard. we had officers respond to the scene. when officers arrived, they did encounter active gunfire. we do have three officers that are injured. we do not know the extent of their injuries. we have an unknown number of civilians that are injured. we are still working through the situation. >> joining me now on the phone is former fbi profiler clint van zandt. clint, there have been some developments in the situation since we last spoke, including more gunfire heard from people

who are holed up inside of stores in that shopping center. what can you tell us? >> well, unfortunately, that suggests we have at least one barricaded subject who is shooting out now. as you're well aware, we've had previous reports suggesting some of the initial gunfire took place at or near a bank that's in that same complex. but we've not heard the sheriff's office suggest the deputies were responding to a bank robbery. that may have been the case where the subject tried to escape and wound up in a planned parenthood office, which would make it a crime, but more of a generalized criminal activity, as opposed to a potential domestic terrorist activity. could it have been dedicated for planned parenthood? either way, lfaw enforcement ha a situation where they're bringing in other resources. there will be resources from

denver. we know the fbi has responded. they have offices in that local area. but as far as bringing hostage negotiators, that would come from denver, but that's only an hour's drive. atf is on the scene too. what they'll do with an active shooter involved, and we've already seen a truck set up with antennas going up as a mobile command post. they'll try to establish contact inside a planned parenthood, if that's where a barricaded gunman is. they'll try to get him, her, or them on the phone, find out what they're doing there and see if there's a way to talk them out. as a hostage negotiator myself, i know that if you have someone talking, they're not shooting at the same time. so everything says, let's get this person, if he is inside of there, let's get him talking and realize one of the considerations law enforcement has is that as we're talking about all this, and all the other major networks are

covering this, if that gunman is inside, he likely has access to television, so he's watching what's going on. so i think it's prudent as usual, for the television networks not to show direct police activity. in essence, what the tactical teams are doing, if anything, and if that person is inside, and they can hear you and i talking, the very best thing they could do at this point is talk to law enforcement. they're not going anywhere. they're barricaded inside. there's a strong tactical perimeter around that facility, so the very best thing a shooter could do right now is to accept that call from a negotiator and find a way to get out without anybody else being injured. >> clint, i couldn't agree with you more about us not giving away police movement. and i do promise our viewers that we are very, very mindful of that, even in our questioning when we don't have visuals. obviously the police are in grave danger right now, and we

are very mindful and respectful of that. you are a former profiler and you are a former hostage negotiator. you have been in these situations. what, if you got to contact this person, what's the first thing you would say? is that a question that i can be asking? i don't know. you tell me. >> yeah, one of the first things i would say, is hi, i'm clint van zant, i'm a negotiator with the fbi and i'm here to help you get out of there. nobody wants to see anybody else get hurt, the shooter, anybody who may be left inside of that building. we don't know the reason for the shootings, why they took place. we don't know if it was a domestic squabble, to a domestic terrorism. we don't know right now. the shooter knows, and what the negotiator would want to do is establish contact, to lower the stress and anxiety level of that

person inside and to help him or them find a safe way they could come out and everybody else come out. we don't want to see anybody else get shot. we want this to be resolved peacefully. and it's all right now in the hands of that gunman who is supposedly inside of planned parenthood, who has been shooting outside that window within the past 15 minutes. all that person has to do is pick up the phone and talk to law enforcement, talk to the negotiator, and they will create an environment where he, she, or they can come out without anybody else being injured. if this person has a complaint, if they have a statement they want to make, this is the time to do it when they have maximum media coverage without anybody else being injured. your shot right now, shows multiple ambulances standing by. we don't want to see any more of those used. and the person inside is likely

right, he is in charge and he's making decisions and he can help resolve this without any other injury. >> clint, i want to ask more about that in a minute, but right now, let's bring in nbc justice correspondent pete williams on the fbi's involvement in this operation. we've heard local police have just requested that. what can you tell us? >> for a time they didn't. the fbi had offered assistance and the local police said they didn't think it would be necessary. now they've asked. the fbi will provide probably special weapons, s.w.a.t. team, and evidence response technicians. but frankly, this is very much the local police making the calls here, and i suspect by the time that the fbi responds and gets there, this will be very much in the hands of the local police. there may even be, you know, the thing may well be over by the time the fbi gets there. but once the situation is resolved on the scene, in whatever way, whether the gunman is arrested or there's some

other end to it, that won't be the end for law enforcement. they have to do a lot of investigating, to figure out who he is, why he's there, and whether it was as clint suggested, a bank robbery, where the gunman was trying to hide, or whether it was an attack on an abortion facility, that will all have to be worked out, who is he, where is he from, was anyone else involved. those are the things the fbi can help the police with. at this point, it's very much in the hands of the local authorities there in colorado springs. >> well, pete, we'll certainly like to talk with you again. and hopefully you're right, this could be resolved before they even get there. but let's just hope for that right now. we are continuing to follow this breaking news out of colorado springs, active shooter situation. in fact, there have been gun shots fired as recently as just a few minutes ago. we know that there's at least one active shooter. in situations like this, they always operate on the principle that there may be more than one.

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we are back live in colorado springs, colorado, where both law enforcement officials and civilians are in a very precarious situation. for the past several hours, there has been an active shooter situation, which is ongoing. gunfire has been heard as recently as just a few minutes ago. we know that several officers are injured, along with an unknown amount of civilian injuries. we know that at least three are in a local hospital and there

has been an outpouring of response from law enforcement, and we now know the fbi has been called in to help as well. we do know that people have been hiding inside of stores, both customers and employees, since all this went down at about 11:38 this morning. colorado springs time. we're told that as soon as shots were fired. police were on the scene, if they were not there already. the situation is very fluid, and we are trying to get as much information as possible as we can bring it in. we're also trying to find information for you about the condition of those who have been brought to the hospital. as of now, there are a number of ambulances on the scene. we have seen some movement there but not in a little while now. but this is the scene in the, paing lot outside of a shopping center. it's called the king supers shopping center in colorado springs. it's your basic shopping center in a suburban area with lots of shops. there are a couple of banks.

there's a lot of activity surrounding the planned parenthood that's in this shopping center. we have spoken to the phone with people who have been told to hide inside their stores. they are doing just that. they are staying away from the doors and windows. they've been told not to let anybody in and to not let anybody out. but at our last check, the asso shooter was still active, not contained, despite the overwhelming police presence there. let's go back to our local affiliate there in colorado springs. >> -- a waiting emergency vehicle there. no one on that gurney right there that we can see. i got to think that police are going to move their vehicles in front of these live cameras as they move on. we've seen this process for the

last hour and a half or so. but more pronounced here in the last 45 minutes, of people being transported, transferred from one emergency vehicle to another. the latest word was shots fired, exchanged. our photographer on scene believes that lieutenant captain kathryn buckley said it was the planned parenthood building to begin with. report of shots fired, four officers wounded, the extent of their injuries, we don't know. >> as they brought that patient out, we understand the s.w.a.t. team with that bearcat went in and they have now transferred those. that one patient that we just witnessed, into the awaiting ambulance.

folks that have been hunkered down for the better part of 3 1/2 hours have been tweeting out and contacting loved ones about their situation. we heard from king supers, for example, that 150 people were sheltered in place there at the shopping center. safety protocol. >> we've been listening to our local affiliate in colorado springs, koaa, as they continue to follow the story in their own neighborhood, as it develops. joining me on the phone is caren kesterson, you're inside a local business. update us on what you've seen and heard since we last spoke, please. >> um, well, they said that the gunman was moving and i think he was -- now he's in the bathroom. they're listening to the police scanner. so i got that pulled up on my computer now too.

then my sister said that a deputy got shot in the leg, and another shot in the leg and i guess they showed him on the camera or something and he has an ak, the shooter does. i don't know if -- either the deputy or one of the officers, but my sister said, one in the hand, one in the leg, two in the shoulder. then she texted, because she's listening to the police scanner. her husband's updating her and they said that he was moving and he was in the bathroom now. >> we do just want to point out that all of this is unconfirmed at this point. we do have confirmed four injured officers at this point and an unknown amount of civilian casualties as well. we can hope at this point that there won't be any more and

caren, have you heard any more gunfire since we last spoke? >> yes, i heard three. >> about how long ago? >> i don't know. time is going by so slow, so i want to say, maybe like 20 minutes, i think. >> has law enforcement contacted you at all with any new information as to what you should do? >> no. >> all right, caren, thank you very much. we'll check back with you, and i'm glad to hear that you're still safe inside your shopping center there as are so many people hiding out at this hour, as we continue to follow this breaking ns in colorado springs, where an active shooting situation is still in progress and very dangerous.

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>> for those of you who may just be joining us, we are following breaking news out of colorado springs, colorado, where there's an active shooting situation in

progress. it's been going on since 11:38 local time there, with at least one shooter active, as much as just a few minutes ago. police are still operating under the possibility that there may be more than one, but at this point, we do know that there's at least one active shooter in this shopping center in colorado springs, and since the first shots were fired this morning, local customers and shop keepers were told to stay inside their buildings and away from any doors or windows, called sheltering in place, which they have been doing for hours now. i want to say something that i think is more important now than -- that this has escalated, clearly, that we're not mentioning business names anymore. we're not going to say certain things that in our judgment would compromise police activity there on the ground in any way, because the last thing we want

to do is put anybody, police or civilian in danger. so going forward, please just know, so i'm searching for the right words. we're trying to be very careful here. joining me now is june izu, who is an eyewitness in a nearby business. and tell us, we're on the phone. tell us what your experience has been from the start right up until this point. >> um, well, about 11:30, i think, police started to come over and started closing off the roads and everything and telling us that there was a shooting, you know, near the planned parenthood, which, you know, so, we were told to lock up the door and just stay put. >> so, police told you

initially, came to the door. >> no, they didn't come -- we were trying to go outside, and they said go back in the building. go back inside, stay away from the windows, you know, because we are very close from the planned parenthood, so -- >> and tell us, as far as you have seen and heard, we have spoken with people who have heard gunfire relatively recently, within the past half hour. >> be honest with you, where i'm at is very close to planned parenthood. i haven't heard anything, but i'm sure there's police -- they are in my building right now, where we are, telling us to go hide in the back room where there are no windows. so we don't get caught in fire. >> so you're inside a business, you have employees and customers, both inside? >> yes. yes. we're hiding, you know, next to the heavy walls, not next to the

windows. >> have you been given any idea as far as whether it's close to being resolved in any way? >> i have no idea. they are in front of the area, where all the windows are. they just told us to just stay put, you know, go hide behind heavy walls. >> how many hours has it been for you now that you have been hiding? >> well, that started about 45 minutes ago. about. what happened was, you know, from where i'm at, i could see everything, to the planned parenthood and everything. >> did you spot the shooter? >> no. no. no, not at all. >> how is everybody holding up in there? >> we're okay. we're holding up really well.

we know there's police officers in this building, so we feel pretty secure. so -- >> okay, jun, aizu, thank you, joining us from a local building. jim cavanaugh, we're looking at a very cold, snowy day, with an ongoing, very, very dangerous situation for everyone involved. both for the civilians who are hiding out, also for the officers who are putting themselves directly in harm's way to resolve this situation. what is the latest you can add given all the developments since we last spoke? >> well, you've developed a lot of information in the last few minutes or so. and colorado springs pd s.w.a.t. appears to be inside the planned parenthood and they have engaged in gunfire with the barricaded suspect. that's been clear from all the witnesses and the reporting you've been having. so he's located.

that is critical. we went for a couple hours today, where they did not know where he was. colorado springs pd had put out a new report that they did not know where he was. but they did find him inside the planned parenthood, it looks like, and they're engaging with him. that's what they want to do. they got to press the contact. the on-scene commander is pressing to contact. because you have to find the guy. once they found him, you started seeing injured come out. they're coming out behind s.w.a.t. so s.w.a.t. is able to press forward. if there's injured, they're bringing some is of them out, the injured officer, the injured people. it's not over, there's a lot of action going on. but they have located him. they've been exchanging with him. he has an ak-47, according to witnesses. an ak-47 is a devastating weapon. you see them on the news all the time, they create really awful wounds. so that's what the officers are

up against. colorado pd s.w.a.t. is in, and the sheriff s.w.a.t. is also there, they're the backup. they're going to squeeze him down. they're telling the occupants of the nearby businesses where other officers are and other tactical officers, to get down, stay away from the windows. this guy could get in an elevated position and he may have run some of the building, that's a pretty large building when you see the pictures of it, with windows all around. so if they can squeeze him down to a room, a hallway, a stairway, that's what they're going to want to do, but he's going to want to be running around and shooting obviously. >> earlier, we had this whole discussion about what it means to have a gunman contained. i do want to point out that a lot of this is not confirmed for us. but in this situation, if it's a situation where he's holed up in a room, is that what you would consider having a gunman contained? >> well, yes, you have him