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at msnbc headquarters. we want to get you up-to-date on the mass deadly shooting. at this hour, 14 people are dead and at least 17 injured. we can tell you the two suspected shooters are also dead after a late afternoon shootout with police. there were reports throughout the day, a third shooter, police now believe it was just the two shooters. this all happened around 11:00 a.m. local time at the inland regional center in san bernardino, 60 miles east of los angeles. police say a man and a woman came in heavily armed and open fire in a conference room during a christmas party. the inland regional center is a sprawling government complex where residents obtain social services. we will learn the names and faces of the victims. right now, we do know the suspects. police say one is 28-year-old syed farook. we know he was a u.s. citizen, working for a local department of public health in the division

of environmental health services. the other is 27-year-old tashfeen malik. syed's brother-in-law confirming to our affiliate knbc, that the two were married and had a daughter. >> i cannot express at how sad i am, people lost their life. i wish a speedy recovery to them. i in shock something like this could happen. i have no idea, why would he do that. i have absolutely no idea. i am in shock myself. the reason i'm here is to talk to the victims and to express my family, how sad they are at what happened. >> in the meantime, the fbi is raiding a home in the nearby city of redlands. police tell us it's one of the many residences listed for syed farook but it's unclear if he is there. let's go to msnbc's jacob

soboroff who's in san bernardino. take us through a timeline of events over the past 14 hours. >> we noted at 11:14 pacific time, the first calls came into dispatch center. according to the police chief, the police chief of the san bernardino police department, but first responders arrived on the scene within four minutes. we heard from the police chief earlier on the east coast. he said this had to be some degree of planning that went into. indeed, there are three active crime scenes in the san bernardino area. we know one at the inland regional center where the shooting tragically and the loss of life of 14 people took place. also where i am right now at san bernardino avenue where the two

shooters were engaged with 4 law enforcement personnel, and they lost their lives and finally, as you mentioned in redlands, which is six or seven miles to the east where we are in san bernardino, where the home of the suspect syed rizwan farook was raided by law enforcement personnel. tonight an ongoing investigation. on the east coast, an ongoing investigation and active crime scenes in san bernardino county. >> can you take us back to the beginning of the scene where we know that potentially he had been -- syed farook had been at a meeting, supposedly got angry and walked out, and came back armed. do we know anything about that scenario? >> reporter: what we know about farook is he was, according to a police chief, an environmental specialist for san bernardino county. and he was at this party, some

sort of holiday party, that took place at the inland regional center. there was a confrontation. he left the party early. according to the news briefing late last night, he returned to that center intact c tactical a gear and that is when the shooting took place. >> we know when this first happened, how the scene was total chaos. what is the scene like now? >> reporter: i can tell you where i am. the crime scene where the two suspects were engaged with the active shooter, it's very quiet. we'll see what happens as the sun comes up here in the morning. >> jacob soboroff, thank you so much. in san bernardino, reporting for us now. last night our local station knbc interviewed a social worker who was in the same building

where the shooting took place. she was told to take cover. she recounts what happened. >> two gunmen came in and open fire on everybody. just started shooting everybody and just taking lives of innocent people in that building and nobody knows why. >> they didn't say anything? >> he didn't say anything. >> and he ran under the table? >> the young man ran under the food table and stood there until they could get out a side door or something, and then he ran out. >> did you see victims when they were escorting you out? did you see where people were? did you get a sense of what was going on around you? >> when we were escorts out of the building, i did see clothing to some of the people, the gurneys with paramedics and firefighters. just people in a panic and a frantic all over the place,

screaming and yelling and just like a bloody war path. it was crazy. >> have you thought at all about how you will get past this? you're a social worker. you deal with a lot of things most people probably don't have to deal with. i know it's brand new. just wondering what your thought process is. >> my thought process is i'm going to go to the gym and just let the gym workout take me wherever it takes me. i'm a prayful person and i just pray for all those families that lost their loved ones. >> do you know someone who lost a loved one? did you meet anyone who -- >> no, i did not. >> you believe all of those people were in that conference room, from what you -- >> yes, yes. >> we thank you so much. thank you for talking to us. >> thank you. >> whoous waiting for you inside? >> my twins are. my kids are. >> two girls? >> a boy and a girl. >> were they texting you information about what they knew of this mass shooting while it was going on? you said you didn't have access

to a television or radio so you didn't know what was going on. were they communicating to you like, mom, this is what heats? >> yes. mom, this is what's happening. they had a black suv. the news is saying there were three men. they got away. did you eat all day? are you safe? my phone died so i couldn't talk to them therefore. >> going back to work? >> we will be closed until monday, from what i understand. >> how do you think you explain this to your kids? i know it's very early. >> never take anything for granted. >> a witness from the deadly scene. a woman who was in the building during the shooting. earlier the san bernardino police chief gave a news conference with the details. >> thanks for being patient. we initially planned on doing

this about 9:00. we wanted to vet that information, really get it established to come out and give you guys some better information. we're here because of a shooting we had at inland regional center just up the street here. latest count is we have 14 people confirmed dead. 17 people that are wounded. initial information was 14. that number is now 17. that is wounded. i don't know the status of the wounded in terms of numbers that are serious or critical or what that is at this point. and that afterwards we had an investigation, one of the tips we followed up on took us to a house in redlands where we made contact with with a suspect vehicle, that resulted in a pursuit, which ultimately came back into the city of san bernardino. on san bernardino avenue between richardson and mountain view avenue, that pursuit terminated. last count i was told we have 20 or 21 officers involved in that gun battle with suspects.

the two suspects in that car are both deceased. have i their names. first one has been identified as syed, s-y-e-d, rizwan, r-i-z-w-a-n, last name farook, f-a-r-o-o-k. he's 28 years old. i'm told he's u.s. born. the person that was with him is a female. she's deceased as well. her name is tashfeen, t-a-s-h-f-e-e-n, last malik, m-a-l-i-k. she's 27 years old. i do not have any additional information on where she is from at this point. the reason and how we came across that, and i'll just talk about the investigation a little bit. i'll talk about the investigation a little bit. there were some confess you asked about a person that had

left the meeting angry this was a meeting, christmas type party event taking place with county plea impooes. mr. farook is a county employee. he works with title as environmental specialist in the public health department, has been employed there for five years he was at the party. he did leave the party early under some circumstances that were described as angry. that is the information we were following up on when we encountered him back near this residence in redlands. as we've now confirmed, he's one of the deceased a little about the response we had, some questions asked earlier. from the time we received our first 911 call of a shooting take place inside the residence -- or inside the business, the inland regional center to the time the first police unit arrived on scene was four minutes. almost immediately after our

arrival, we had multiple units arrivi arriving. they immediately entered the building, responding to an active shooter type situation where they encountered victims and they were in search of the suspects. multiple teams were going into the buildings and doing that. from the time we were able to start extranl tracting those victims, from where we first found the victims to the time we actually -- from the time we extracted them, got them to the triage center just outside of the business where they were treated by paramedics was 15 minutes. it was fairly fast for a situation such as this. so, with that, any questions? >> do you know the relationship between the two dead suspects? i. >> have been -- we have gone back and forth between information that they were married or that they were engaged but there was a relationship. i don't have it definitive as to exactly what that is now.

>> the gentleman they're holding, who is that? >> i've not been able to get an update as to whether that person was involved. as i said, when the officer-involved shooting occurred, the initial officers we had had information from did not see anybody specifically fleeing the vehicle. there were other responding vehicles that saw this person running away from the scene, stop him and detained him. for that reason we don't know if he was involved or what his involvement is at this point. >>. >> we initially put out we had information there were upwards of three shooters. as we continue to drill down on information and the witness statements we have, it really looks like we have two shooters. we're pretty comfortable the two shooters we believe went into the building are the two shooters that are deceased up on san bernardino avenue. >> how many places have you searched thus far? >> we have this crime scene. we have the crime scene up on san bernardino avenue. we have a house in redlands,

which is where the pursuit took us to. as i said, mr. farook was a county employee so we have secured his office space. >> in the redlands, is that a residence of his? >> it is a residence listed for him. i don't know if he was living there. >> what's the motive? >> we don't have the motive at this point. i'm really being careful. we know when these things happen, we've seen this happen time and time again, there's a lot of information that comes out in the first couple days and that information changes significantly in the days that follow. until we know the motive or we have a clear -- something evidentiary based, i don't want to comment. >> have you ruled out terrorism at this point? is that still on the table? >> we have not ruled out terrorism. >> chief, is there any

information supervisors were killed? >> either boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife, something of that nature. >> any information that mr. farook's supervisors or bosses were killed in that shootout there? >> i had indicated earlier on we have victims at the scene. up until within the last couple of hours, we were working on what we felt were explosive devices left at the scene. we confirmed we believe those were explosive devices. the bomb squad disposed of those items. we're just getting in there and starting to process the crime scene, per se. i don't have information on any of the victims at this point. >> i don't know what precipitated it. i don't. i don't know. >> can you saw he arrived 25 days ago with a man and another

woman and that they were seeing with -- >> mr. farook has been a county employee for five years. >> can you say he was at that townhouse, arrived about 25 days ago? >> i don't know that. >> do you have -- >> he was born in the united states. >> do you have a date of birth? >> the exact date of birth, i don't. born in 1987. >> are you certain there is not a third suspect still out there? >> we are reasonably confident at this point we had two shooters and two dead suspects. as i said -- i do have information on what they were armed with. both suspects were armed with what was essentially a 223 caliber assault rifle. one was called a dpms, model a-15. the other was a smith & wesson mmp-15 model. both suspects also were armed with semi-automatic handguns. one was manufactured by lama and the other was manufactured by smith & wesson.

>> did farook purchase any of those weapons? >> i'm going to leave that. at tf is doing the workup on the weapons. >> chief, about the explosive device, i'm sure i couldn't hear you. whether explosive devices found on the scene? >> at the shooting scene here at the inland regional center, there were devices we felt were explosive devices. they have been exposed of. >> how much? >> three all together. >> are you naming the woman at this point? >> i did. >> can you say one more time? >> the woman's name is tashfeen t-a-s-h-f-e-e-n, last of malik, 27 years old. >> do you have criminal records on either of them? >> i personally have not been in contact with them. we're in contact with a number of family members so they are being interviewed but i don't know what their statements have been. >> i do have any information on criminal records.

>> do you have any idea how much time elapsed between the time mr. farook left the event and returned? >> not the exact time. i've been told -- i've been given figures anywhere from ten minutes to half an hour. >> was the woman present at this event as well? >> i have not been told that sdm. >> was this planned out or spur of the moment. >> i think based upon what we have seen and based upon how they were equipped, there had to be some degree of planning. i don't think they ran home, put on these tactical clothes, came back on a spur of the moment type of thing. >> were they saying anything during the shooting? >> we don't have information they said anything. >> any motive? >> we don't have a motive. >> anything in this attack that's connected to isis? >> sorry? >> isis, any connection? >> we're still searching that motive component of it. we do not have information on that and i'm not going to weigh in on that part. >> it's been a tough time for

this city. what's your message to the residents as they go to sleep tonight and wake up tomorrow to this really setting -- >> so the message not only for the city but the entire region, we understand people are scared and we understand there's concern there may be more folks out there. rest assured, we're doing everything we can. we've brought every single asset to the table we have available in this city, in this county, in the state and with the help of the federal government to do everything we can to make people safe here. if we get information we think there's another potential threat or something people need to be concerned about, we'll put that information out to protect people. >> do you believe others are involved -- >> the redlands home -- >> that's still an active investigation down there. we are not far enough into that investigation to put anything out about it yet. >> did the female suspect live there with farook as well? >> we have indications -- i don't know where exactly they lived. we have multiple addresses for them. one of the addresses was the

redlands. i don't know if they lived there or if it was something they had listed or another family member. i don't know that yet. >> are you aware if the suspect was invited to this party, if he was to be there originally or if he showed up spontaneously? >> it's my understanding that he is a county employee. that was part of the party or event that had taken place and he attended the same event last yee year. >> this was a party, not a training session? >> i've told it was a meeting from a christmas meeting gathering luncheon this county office was having. >> is there any evidence his job was in jeopardy? >> i don't have any information on that. >> the explosives that were found, pipe bombs, propane tanks, complicated devices? >> i don't know exactly. i think we're leaning more towards a pipe bomb type design but specifically what was made of i don't have any information.

>> did law enforcement have any previous interaction with the suspects? >> not that i'm aware. >> we're still working that angle. >> any other weapons? >> i gave you everything we had in the vehicle. the rifles that i listed. >> what's that? i can't understand you. >> i mean, the -- is it possible to open to media at some time? >> at some point we'll render this a little more safe and compress the crime scene down and at some point we'll allow media in to get more pictures. i would imagine maybe some time overnight. >> were there pipe devices thrown from the vehicle? >> there was a device that was

identified at that. we rendered it safe and i don't think it was explosive in nature. >> folks, real quick. i'm going to wrap this up. i do not know if we'll have an additional press conference tonight. we've been talking to staff. we'll probably come back out and address the press very early in the morning to address at least the east coast morning news shows and stuff. >> you said 20 some officers involved. how are they holding up tonight? how is your department holding up? >> i think our department is stretched pretty thin, obviously. we're a decent sized department. we can bring a lot of assets to the table but something of this nature has stretched us thin. weldon be doing nearly as well if it wasn't for our partners in the county, and l.a. and federal officers. if anybody heard that on the radio, that was flat oheroic whn

they tracked down those suspects and engaged them. one officer was wounded. he's resting at the hospital. his injuries are not life-threat nging. thank you. >> that was chief jarrod burguan of the san diego police department. he identified two suspects in today's shooting in san bernardino, both of whom were killed in a shootout with police. the two suspects he identified, syed farook, a 28-year-old man and tashfeen malik, 27-year-old woman. both of them shot and killed in a shootout with police. many things the police chief saying, one thing, we have not ruled out terrorism. we're joined by andrew blanksteen.

what have you learned her? >> in terms of motive, they didn't want to rule anything out or in echoing what david bowdich, not ruling out anything. there's a lot of work to do in terms of backgrounding these suspects and trying to get the trajectory interviews. there's a lot of work to be done. one thing i found interesting, the multiple devices, pipe bomb. that was interesting. we saw some pictures in terms of detonating one of the devices and then hearing other responses. that was a firm number we heard there. the relationship between the two

suspects. we heard this obviously from sourcing but giving the name and saying that definitively. >> eugene o'donnell about the question, does this seem spontaneous, provoked by something that happened today or was this planned, he said because of all the equipment involved, this had to be planned. the l.a. times is reporting that syed farook was at that party gathering in that center. his coworkers saw him there. he's well liked by his coworkers and the account in the l.a. times today, and that they said right before this were getting ready to pose for the group photograph, he disappeared. and then the next time they saw him is when he was coming in there with that gun. >> it's fascinating. there's more questions as this thing rolls on. they're saying there's no indication he was preexposed to this type of violence. interesting the fbi did not

participate -- >> i was struck by that, they hung back, let the chief do this. other press conferences they've been stepping up on their own to offer a little something. >> also, they can't gat coricly -- this many hours later they can't categorically say it's terrorism and they can't say it's more than two people either it's a little earlier but having police take the lead it's not bona fide terrorism. maybe someone with mixed motivation. >> also in the l.a. times' account of what they have on syed farook, they have spoken to his cubicle mate in that office there, in the center where he worked. patrick baccari, and he says farook traveled to saudi arabia

where he met his -- where he got his wife -- met his wife, who he had met online before traveling to saudi arabia. and as patrick puts it, it seemed like he was living the american dream. >> you'll recall 9/11 hijackers, many of them lived under the surface and there was no indication people who knew them that they were going to carry out such a brutal, horrific attack. >> we'll be back with more live coverage of the situation in san bernardino thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around. aren't you lactose intolerant? this isn't lactose. it's milk. ♪

. nbc's blake mccoy joins us live near that shooting scene in san bernardino. blake, you were at the press conference chief jarrod burguan was at. did anybody get any questions in there, as they were walking away? >> reporter: we had a lot of new information. one, the relationship between the two killed in the car, they were either married or fiancees. we have the name syed farook and tashfeen malik, 28 and 27 respectively. something that came out of this press conference, which is what we've been hearing and reporting all day, farook who was a county employee for the past five years, was at that party initially. got in a confrontation, left angry and came back. we have confirmation that's what police believe happened. he came back with his fiancee or

wife and open fire. police confirming there were explosive devices found inside the regional center. they have detonated those devices, three of them, we believe. that's why it's taken so long for us to be allowed to get close and for them to process the crime scene. they say they are just now beginning to identify the deceased because they haven't been able to fully access that building until those devices were exploded. very interesting they say this suspect was there initially at the party, got in an argument, left and came back. i know we've been saying this was a planned attack. and police believe it very much was. just because he got in a fight and came back 20, 30 minutes later doesn't mean it wasn't planned. he may well have intended to xom back. he came back with explosive devices, with heavy artillery and also dressed in police-like gear. so, it does not sound

spontaneous, even though he was at that party initially. >> andrew reported to us earlier that at least two of the weapons that the authorities recovered were legally purchased but in the press conference tonight, the chief wasn't willing to say anything about the origin of the four weapons. >> reporter: we know it's a .223-caliber assault rifle and two semi-automatic handguns. two of the serial numbers have been traced to one of the suspects. they're still working to trace the other two serial numbers. i think that's why they're being reluctant to give information on that. the atf is still working that angle of the case. >> we're being joined by morgan radford, at the hospital in san bernardino. morgan, how many patients are at the hospital where you are tonigh >> reporter: lawrence, there are currently 5 of the 17 who were injured at the hospital behind me. two are in critical condition,

two are in fair condition and one patient is still undetermined. amidst all of this chaos, even while i was standing here at 2:30 p.m., a bomb threat was called into the hospital. just an hour later, it was lifted. that just goes to show the amount of chaos at the scene. i was actually inside the emergency room an hour ago. when i was inside, it was packed. i could hear one man complaining on his cell phone, saying there were simply too much police presence. part of that is because there are so many family members coming in, just trying to find out whatever information they can about the family members who are waiting inside. >> how about the family members who were there, are they being allowed to spend the night with the patients they're visiting? >> reporter: honestly, it was hard to tell. it appeared some were family members and others were treated

for normal casualties. the hospital said they were not expecting any more victims from today's shooting to come to the hospital tonight. they said tomorrow they would resume business as usual. >> morgan radford, thank you for joining us tonight. eugene o'donnell, the tracking of these weapons is going to tell us a lot about the planning, the premeditation, how much premeditation. >> at least two of them sounds like they're legally possessed so that will be a slam dunk in finding out when they were bought. the other two weapons, the assault weapons, that's going to be a much more interesting question where they came from, how long he had them, where they were stored. you also wonder, again, whether these people -- whether family members or others who have some inkling that this guy is a weapon-carrying person up to no good. >> but it could easily be they don't, right? in your experience, the notion that he basically kept this to himself and his co-conspirator

and never -- what we're hearing in the l.a. times' account from the guy in the next cubicle with him at that workplace where he created this homicidal madness toeshgsd he had not the slightest suspicious this guy could ever be capable of something like that. family members could have exactly the same sensation and no awareness at all this was possible. >> it's well documented that many of these people, the first time you find out they have these kind of designs, they act. in is not unprecedented. >> we're joined by jack rice, former cia special agent. what did you pick up from that press conference tonight with the chief? >> one of the things i thought about immediately was the use of the pipe bombs. if we take a look at exactly what it is that was being used, i want to know how he learned how to make them. if he learned how to make them on the internet, tear his computer apart. did he go to a general site or

someplace specific obviously the chief was very, very careful in terms of avoiding making a direct connection, if there is a terrorism connection here. if there is potentially a connection here, you might find it right there. that might be the spot you look. if he picked up the 223s legally, then that's going to be sort of a dead end. but the bombs, that's a different angle all together. >> it sounds like the bombs could be the thing -- of everything recovered, the things that tell us the most about this. >> oh, i think it may be the case. that's one of the benefits. i think it would follow up the lead on the fiancee/wife here. you don't want to make the lead -- again, you need to leave everything on the table here it is important to be careful because we don't want to jum to conclusions. we don't need to be making mistakes at this point. again, i thought the chief really did a fine job in

clarifying as much as we could without jumping to conclusions himself. i was impressed. as a former prosecutor i thought about how i would have handled this. on the circumstances, he's doing it right. on the intelligence part, there's a lot of leads they need to follow up on and they need to do that. >> jack, the l.a. times reports that, quote, his coworkers at this center who suffered this horrible tragedy today, never suspecting, saying he's a very nice guy. they report in there that he was a devout muslim. they say in the next breath, there's absolutely nothing suspicious about him ever, at any point. everyone enjoyed working with him. that's what the l.a. times was able to pick up by talking to half a dozen of his coworkers today. >> that is one of the scary aspects. what we've seen in the past is the ability to categoryize their lives. they have the ability to have this front for some people.

it's almost trite when you hear about some horrific incident and you'll talk to a neighbor who said, he's always such a nice guy. i can't count the number of times i've seen that where some people you see something specific and then you have this ulterior motive, this alternate life almost where this other angle is being taken. you can see it with coworkers. you can see it with neighbors. can you see it with family directly. as you alluded to earlier with one of your previous guests here. it's possible his family is even unaware of that. >> we'll be back with more live coverage of the situation in san bernardino. we sent two women into a real guys night out

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example, that relationship between these two people, not even knowing whether they're married or not, for example. why would it take this long? why would they not have documentation on whether this was a married couple? >> it's bobble, even the spellings of their name, dates of birth, immigration issues. the are things they'll be at the entire gentlemtrajectory fr childhood to today to see if there are any signs of this. a lot of things, law enforcement people have told me recently, they're particularly concerned of in these kind of incidents is somebody who takes kind of a quick descent or quick turn into rage, anger, ideology, what have you. some of these things may explain why coworkers would say, well, i think he's living the american dream and suddenly turn around and then we have answer incident like this. it's hard to believe, lawrence, in the last week, i was just

thinking back to a week ago, we were all talking about potential terrorism ahead of thanksgiving. then we have the colorado springs shooting and then this. it's been staggering in succession, these incidents. obviously, thanksgiving coming off the french attacks. it's just been after the other. you think about kind of our reaction to this. it's an amazing kind of time as a society, and obviously policing that we have to deal with these things. >> mike, what was your take on the press conference we just heard and what the chief added tonight? >> i think the chief did a great job. right now there is the issue, the question, are we looking at a case of terrorism or are we looking at a case of workplace violence? and we have this dual image. there is credibility on both

sides. in terms of terrorism, many commentators have pointed out, look how well planned this attack was. the black assault style clothing, the masks, the assault rifles, the explosives. i mean, this looks like it was well planned and methodical yet on the other hand you see evidence, investigators have evidence that one of the shooters, farook, the main man, walked off angrily. that there was possibly some dispute there at the party. this was a party he was invited to attend. he was at that party last year. he worked for the department of health there five years. but there's also some evidence coming out that there's a lot of

turmoil in that department over the last year. many workers had left because of problems with management. there could be a lot of anger on the part of farook. this well could have inflamed him to the point where he turned radical. in other words, looking for a vehicle to express his rage at the workplace. so, it's possible here that you have a blend of both. you have the terrorism image and in the wake of paris, everyone is thinking it's terrorism again, but on the other hand there's some very interesting data here about the workplace issue. >> we're showing now the picture of syed farook, obtained by knbc in los angeles, which they've released and has been confirmed. this is the one photograph we have of him.

that is from -- it's a facebook posting by him. that's where that photograph comes from. and, mike, you're saying that we may not get a very clear thread of explanation here. that it's one thing that provoked this. that you could end up with have mixed motivation. certainly the targeting much this workplace now is less mysterious. since he worked is there. so he wasn't confused about what he was attacking. he knew exactly where he was hitting and why he was hitting it. we don't yet know why he was hitting it, but he did. >> that's a very good point. if it was clear-cut terrorism, it would be rather odd for a guy just to shoot up a center like

that rather than making a big public display like the boston bombers or what occurred in paris. it would have been a much more grandiose exhibition. the fact that this was very targeted, the fact that supposedly he walked away angry and connect that, you still need to know what's been going on at that workplace. there's much to be discovered. i see both explanations of validity. your last speaker point out so well, i've seen in so many cases, serial and mass murder, where it's easy enough to play nice guy. there is an alternative life. that there could be a guy loaded with rage and you don't pick up on it. just like what happened at ft. hood a number of years. guy seemed to get along, ee easy

going, became radicalized and shot all those at ft. hood. nobody suspected he was capable of doing something like that. >> we'll continue our live coverage of the situation in san bernardino after this break. the only way to get better is to challenge yourself,

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rizwan, r-i-z-w-a-n, last farook, f-a-r-o-o-k. he is 28 years old. i'm told he is u.s. born. the person that was with him is a female, she is deceased as well. her name is tashfeen, t-a-s-h-f-e-e-n, last of malik, m-a-l-i-k. she is 27 years old. i do not have any additional information on where she is from at this point. >> back with us is eugene o'donnell. eugene, the chief there identifying now the two shooters. this case got smaller over the last few hours, where we thought it was expanding to the point of possibly there were four shooters. the police theory he advanced in that press conference tonight was believing it was only these two. that they can confirm did the shooting. going back with eyewitnesss at

the event and determining how now we think it's two. surely as you and others have pointed out, some eyewitnesss might have seen some of these people more than once and not realized they're seeing the same person a second time so they're counting one, two, three, when they've only seen two. >> right. they were identified as males initially. >> all males. >> one fascinating report is the dehumanization necessary to carry this kind of attack out. whether this ends up to being an act of terrorism, it reminds you -- you're almost thinking of these folks as enemy combatants who deserve to die to get into that mind set to do that kind of damage. the unarmed people sitting in a room. >> one of the interesting things so far in eyewitness accounts, of which there are not many. the l.a. times seems to have some of them, is no one is quoting him as saying anything. there is no declaration of any particular rage or any particular point about this.

maybe that will come out in the next 24 hours. maybe he said "x" or something. right now we don't have anything verbally from him. >> it's also going to be interesting to see what kind of training he has tose weapons. sometimes these guys are so interested in killing, that that's what they spend their time on. 's lost time to make a declaration. you could be killing. >> yeah. and it seems to have been a surprisingly quick exercise with a quick exit plan. and it may be that the plan changed while it was under way. there was an escape plan that became something else. they were at a spot in california where they had freeways that could have taken them anywhere in america, in any direction, north, south. route 10 could have taken them all the way to florida. they stayed there. >> did he go to pick a fight? is that the idea? was that the precedent to setting this up? once and for all, he would show them? we'll have to wait and see.

>> the notion that hours later, this event would end roughly where it began, when they had an opportunity, they had pretty far away, that was the first big surprise in this. hours later they would be found so close. >> unless they wanted to be killed by police. ultimately -- >> in that case they could have stayed on the scene. the killers who end up that way tend to stay on th scene and wait for police. that's where they get that. that's why these things just don't add up in the way we've seen them add up before. >> the common thread is invariably they're dead in the end. they're not going to face justice in a court of law. that's not the plan. >> we'll learn a lot more about this tomorrow. we'll find out what the relationship was between these two people. that we don't have it confirmed tonight what that relationship is. stay with msnbc for our continuing coverage of the situation in san bernardino and

the mass killings that took place there today.

good morning. welcome to a special edition of "way too early." it is thursday, december 3rd. i'm craig melvin in san bernardino, california, the scene of the latest mass shooting in this country. this morning we are learning more about the two suspects, including reports of recent travel to the middle east. but we start, we start with the moment the holiday gathering among coworkers took a horrific turn. >> went behind that suspect vehicle, the black -- shots fired. >> they're shooting at us. the suv -- lots of cross fire. >> -- shooting at us.