daughter jennifer is shot in the stomach, but she is going to pull through. >> i didn't get the phone call that the other families got. i feel so fortunate. she just keeps saying, i never heard a gun before. i never seen a gun. i didn't know they were so loud >> and fam areallies are asking for prayers and support, and like so many people in the country, asking why. i'm kate snow for msnbc live, and right now, "hardball" starts. is this isis? this is "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews, and in washington the fbi is now investigating the san bernardino massacre as an act of terrorism, and base on what we are hearing tonight, this could be the first successful isis-inspired attack within the united states. chilling new details tonight about what may have motivated

the attackers. say yeed farook and his wife tashfeen malik to leave her daughter and commit this m massacre. and now shown here, she pledged allegiance to isis leader abu bakr baghdadi on facebook. and we are also told that farook was in contact with isis sympathizers that encouraged him. and now, earlier today, there was a family who described the wife as conservative. >> she was a housewife that came over in 2014. >> she was a very private person, and kept herself very isolated. >> she was con sservative. the brothers did not see her face, and they did not see her face, because she wore a burqa.

they knew her -- >> totally covered? >> yes, totally covered and they knew her as sayed's wife. >> and they described him as introverted and no friends to identi identify. and james comey spoke to reporters today to tamp down fears of a terror cell in the u.s. >> so far, we have no indication that the killers are part of an organized larger group the or formed part of a cell. there is no indication that they are part of a network. again, i quickly add, it is early, and we are still working very hard to understand, but i wanted you the know that so far we don't see such indication. we know it is very unsettling for the peoplef of the united states. what we hope that you will do is not let fear become disabling, but try to channel it into an awareness of your surroundings to get you to the place where where you are living your life

and if you see something that is not making sense, say something to somebody. >> and we are getting unprecedented a access to the killers' home. and the press was allowed to go inside after authorities had raided it for evidence. it was surreal. baby toys and toys strewn throughout the box and there was shredded papers and korans. and there was also a look at the rig that was used at the scene of the accident that was meant to ignite. and we now begin with the chief justice correspondent pete williams. >> chris, the fbi is calling it a terrorism investigation, and certainly a new chapter, but it is not functionally changing anything, because the fbi has been all-out on the investigation from the beginning. the fbi director told us today that the agents investigating the case have developed indications as he put it, the

kill es were becoming radicalized, and that there is indication of influence of a foreign terror organization. he would not be specific about which terror organization and didn't say whether it was isis or any other, but he did say that he didn't think that the couple from san bernardino was part of any larger cell or network or group, and they have not identified anybody else who was involved, including the person who three or four years ago bought the assault rifles for syed fafarook. he said it is true that he had been in contact with people in los angeles who in the past had been investigated by the fbi, but nothing about the contact that elevated anything more or suggested anything suspicious. one other piece of information about this that became public today, the agents disclosed or the investigators disclosed that the wife, tashfeen malik posted on her facebook time line just as the shootings were beginnings a statement of support for the

isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi, and comey was asked about that today, but he declined to comment. he did say that they were aware of it, and continuing to investigate it. i am joined by blake mccoy who is outside of the attackers' home itself. and what were you able to find? we were out there watching it in the beginning today, and what more have they discovered in the house? >> well, chris, we mow that the fbi ramped up the search overnight which is how the reporters are allowed in today. the landlord came right in and took down the plywood and let people inside. it is mostly personal items inside, although we did see the computer monitors, and the hard kroois taken as you would suspect, but in the courtro courtrooms -- court documents we are learning ta in the garage there is a bomb-making factory.

we knew we found 12 rounds of ammunition, and we also are learned that there are materials to make more bombs. so it appears they were making the bombs on site, and things like metal tubing, wires, powder, and so, you know a bombmaking factory here at the apartment. and also at the site of the shooting where those 14 people were killed, authorities did recover two crushed cell phone, and they have taken them away for analysis, and they are hoping to get forensic evidence out of this, and in their words, they are thinking that the computers and the crushed cell phones could have quote golden nuggets that could shed more light on the motive and who these people were spocorrespond with. >> and now, you are there and we looked what is a regular american home, the baby crib, the teddy bear and the toys and so westernized. they were raising this, and

hoping to me, it seems to raise this kid as american as anybody else with all of the american paraphernalia of the middle-class working family, and yet, and yet they are terrorists. how does it look like when you looked at the house? did you see that dichotomy of the attempt to assimilate of americans like the rest of us, and a clear cut plan to blow us to hell, and i am trying to see what you can see that i don't see coming together. >> it doesn't add up, chris. we spoke with the landlord and said, when they signed the lease in may, did you notice anything different, and he said, no. it was a couple with a new kid, and seemed nice. he had five applications for this very apartment, and he chose this couple. and so this is a koum by all accounts living the american dream, and we know that farook made $70,000 a year, and he was not marginalized and or hurting

and had a good job with the k n county, and it is baffling. it is baffling to the residents in this community saying if it can happen here in redlands county, san bernadino, california, it can happen anywhere. >> thank you, blake mccoy. and now, joined by shawn henry, the assistant director of the fbi, and skrichbs king -- scrivens king, part of the project. and now, tell me, they are raising this kid like joey smith or joey whatever, but at the same time, they are plotting to blow up america, itself. what are the thoughts? >> well, i listened to the lawyers on the lead-in to the show, and she is regular housewi housewife. well, regular housewives don't carry assault rifles and go day-to-day. >> and you doubt the testimony

of the relatives? >> well, she is not a regular housewife, and she killed 14 people, and involved in the m d murder of americans. >> and you think that aggressiveness might be a available to people when they hang out to somebody, and you'd see it? >> you would think that they would. >> and when they are carrying an ar or something. >> yes, with the training i would imagine not only in the way she was engaged at the scene of the murder, but post when she was engaged with the law enforcement officers an engaged a firefight. my whole concern is what are we looking back in saudi ar rabia d pakistan and was she the wub who came here to radicalize him, and that is what i am concerned about and something that the fbi and along with the intelligence services in saudi and pakistan are are going to be working with. >> and you think that she could have agreed to marry him with a plan afoot to use him as a t terrorist? >> it is a supposition, but it is an investigative angle that

law enforcement, and the fbi should pursuing. if she was on a dating site or a way to get here to the united states. it is something to pursue, and to rule out. >> okay. shawn, another simple question. i go back to the normal american question, when you have a young couple and in my family i have got them, and they raise kids and the whole life is around the kids, and they eat, and burple, and change diapers and that is all they to. and the other kid they are raising is a classic american with the teddy bear and the whole routine, and why are they doing it at the same time fighting or waging jihad against our culture? >> perhaps looking to fit in and assimilate into society that others see them as a classic american. part of the larger ruse. >> is it a village or a ruse. shawn, your view?

skr skrifen? >> yes. >> and what about all of the pa paraphernalia of americana, and the can cultural statements are all over the place, and then we find down in the garage an arsenal. >> yeah, it is an interesting sort of dichotomy that is is going on here. i would like to address a few points. >> well, how about putting the dichotomy together. and have you ever seen a case like this where the terrorists are trying to assimilate? >> sure. we ask intelligence operatives to do the same when they go overseas, and you know, it is about establishing a cover. >> i get you. >> and so, i would imagine that it would be a matter of operational protocol for a group like isis or the sympathizers for that matter to avoid detection by assuming a regular as you put it american life.

>> what do you mean? do you agree with that is >> well, it is part of the ruse, and a assimilate and act like they want to belong, and then assimilate. >> all right. is scriven, how much of this is passive and lone wolf. somebody on the behalf of the isis, they want to take them, and blow up americans, go ahead, and do it. you macgyverish, and put together a bomb, fine, go ahead and do it. how much of this is operational from overseas? >> i don't know if we can determine whether it is operational overseas or not, but isis has been clear to do whatever you can do to support the caliphate. you don't have to come to syria or iraq, and fight where you are, because you can carry are the fight to the west. >> shawn? >> yes. >> this is part of their whole operational strategy, and they

have had it for some time as shawn had pointed out earlier where they the allow you to take it upon yourself to be an independent franchise. this is not going to necessarily a new thing with isis or the groups after fill yated with them, or the groups a that they formally belong to. we saw the same thing with al qaeda. it allows them an opportunity to use the lone wolves as an extension of the ability to do what they need to do most which is to kill at will. >> we had the fbi director comey say that he had no idea, no reason to believe that there is more to it than what we have seep, but they didn't know that there was this to begin with, scriven, and so they didn't no e, that and so my question is, your hunch here that it is part of the web or the single thing in sap bernadino, california, out of 350 million people, and this is the one thing we are

looking at by itself or a part of the series of attacks that we are going to be seeing? >> sure. i will engage in a little supposition here. i will firmly believe that it could possibly be or some inclination of a sort of an isis sympathizer vibe here. i don't think that there is any thing indicative of the chain. for instance, we want to to see the claim of responsibility from isis in a passion statement that these are the organizers and this is what we have done. we have not had that, and also, other things, the lack of operational security that they took post attack. they the left house intact, and with which if you are going to be planning an attack, and concerned about future attacks, you want to security that and not build bombs in the same

location this the you are going to be building bombs in the same place where you are going to be discovered, and so this is more indicative of the sympathizers. >> and sympathizers, operation or not, and so shawn henry and scriven king, sorry are about getting your names mixed up. and so, it is friday night here. and the tools that the terror groups use to the recruit the americans like we have been watching here. that is ahead and our coverage continues after this. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet?

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indicated radicalization by the killer killers and inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. >> welcome back to "hardball." that is fbi director james comey commenting on the uncovering of the investigation. and now, while there is isis influence in the united states, and the threat of homegrown or homeland terrorism, and just before thanksgiving, isis released a propaganda video saying that times square was a target for the terror group, and one of the public attempts to inspire and recruit potential sympathizers in the country, and however, the effort is so much less overt. and then tuesday, a report

released by washington university are saying that people are spreading their message on line and vetting people, and identifying about 300 americans are identified with isis, and their strength is narrowed with face-to-face c conrelationsh conrelationships. and in 2015 in the u.s., there have been 56 individual arrested in connection with isis. and now joining me is the author of "jihad joe" americans who go to war in the name of islam, and so i want to start out with you

here, jay. if a woman in her 20s marries a guy, a sort of mail order bride and meet over in the hajj in saudi arabia and get married and go to the mecca, and then they come over here and start to arming up, and ordinances and semiautomatic pistols, and thousands of rounds of ammo, and these are the facts. how do you put it together? >> well, there is a lot that we don't know about the case yet. we are really getting the dribs and drabs of information. it is premature to try to figure out exactly what happened. i do think that there does there seem to be a connection to isis, and nexus here, and it is unlikely to be specifically directed by isis, but everyday we hear something new and reported yesterday is wrong, so i don't want to get too far ahead of the facts. >> what do you make of the fact that the woman in the case, tashfeen malik, and we finally got a picture of her to derek and she is so quiet and humble, and a humble housewife and yet

she is putting out the facebook postings in the very moment of the crisis when she is involved in shooting all of the people, 35 people, that she manages at that time to take the time to put up a posting of herself and her e doe voegs to the he-- and her devoegs to the e head of isis, and what do you make of that? >> well, if that is what happen and what has been reported, it makes sense. because you want to attribute your terror to what group they were supporting. it does not always happen like in the boston bombing. but more common to indicate a bread crumbs of why you are doing what you are doing. >> and shane, there are a lot of facts. a lot of rounds of ammo. a lot of pipe bombs, and a lot of evidence that these people were up to something for a good bit of time. >> that is exactly right. in the program of extremism, we looked at the isis recruits here

in the united states, and looked at over 7,000 documents and found that 56 people were arr t arrested this year alone, and we also started to look around a alia online, and there is a gamut, rich, poor, educated and not, and young and old, and so it is hard to paint a picture on this. >> and when you say integrated, assimilated that they want our culture, and at the same time they want to blow it up. you have seen cases where on the surface they seem to be trying to fit into our culture? >> absolutely. and the vast majority of the people in the legal system are u.s. citizens, and they lead relatively normal life, and they grow up here and play soccer, and things like that, and at some point in their life they decide to take a radical shift which can take place over a matter of weeks and months. >> and what about a mole who

comes over here as a mail order bride, and comes through social media to answer this guy's quest for love, if you will, and somehow from the time they marry over in mecca, they come back here and radicalize. is it more sense that she came radicalized with a mission or radicalized while she was a quiet housewife in san bernardino, california? what is more logical? >> well, the role of the women in terrorism is not novel. but what is novel is a woman who is a mass shooter. and possible that she was radicalized before she came over here, but it is possible that she was radicalized here. when you look at the isis case, it is echo chamber and reinfo e reinforcing the beliefs, and we see it online and in person. >> and those arrested in the isis related charges, the paer jor ti were american citizens and converts to islam, and

religious converts, and 55% of the arrests were carried out because of a tip from an informant or a law enforcement sti sting. and j.m., give us a sense, if you were not aware of this case, and i understand the need to be prekaus shouse because of a professional need, but what about this possible mail order bride situation, and whatever the technique to get people in this country to be radicalized. >> well there is two pieces of recruitment in the united states, and the first is systemic and heavily staffed, and there are isis supporters who are stalking all kinds of online communities looking for people who might be vulnerable to the message, and people who might be expressing support or unhappy innoceniness in the unis or where they can get a wedge n in. and we have seen on the ground recruitms on ground, and seamus' report talks to that. and in minneapolis, we have seen

plenty of that and people on the risk of being isis recruiters, and isis supporters, and it is a social media that gives them a lot of power that they did not have before that the oldest e jihadist networks didn't have, because they can scour thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of people, and looking for a few people who are unbalanced or unhappy or politically disenfranchised or something that gives them an opening to worm into their head s. >> would it fit that pattern for a lonely heart, a guy having a hard time to meet someone that he wanted to the meet a young woman, and perhaps the standards by mr. farook, i want somebody from any cull xhur in the world, as long as they are religious, and wear a burqa, and not much of a demand, but it was leaning towards a traditional woman. >> well, the facts of this case are still unclear, but i have seen certainly isis recruiters

do follow matrimonial sites and sites to fix up muslim marriage s, and they are looking for anybody that they can kind of work with. we talk about ate some, and it is a study of it, but it is an underdeveloped area of study, but we see that marriage is important for people who are recruited to go the isis. people who go to isis territories, and the success of recruiting women is partly based on the promise of making some type of love match when you get there. and is so there is an element of this that has an appeal to people. it is lonely people are vulnerable is the simple way to put it. >> fair enough, and the case with the english girls as well. they are active on the youth front which is desiring to find a partner in life. thank you, seamus, and j.m. burger. and when we come back, look at the numbers of donald trump and the huge numbers.

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only 38% said that trump had the best chance to beat the democratic candidate who we presume is hillary. april ryan, and my friend who is from american urban radio networks, paul singer, and megan murphy is the bureau chief for bloomberg news. and all three of you take all of the time that you feed for up to a minute or two, and what is the connection between paris and everything else that is going on, and the weaker candidates, the inability of ben carson to talk about the foreign policy or the toughest kid on the block bully boy? a april, that simple? >> no, it not that simple. we are in a time when there is a threat against this country and other world countries, and we have to have somebody there who knows foreign policies and how to be diplomatic, and when called for. >> does trump have that? >> well, no.

and i am going to give you car s carson and coming to trump. >> are you fighting the polls? >> i am giving you -- >> you are fighting the polls. >> whatever. and it is time the to be hawkish when it is time to be hawk hawkish, but donald trump feels that he is a bully and has a lot of people around him who have bigoted ideas and now when you put them together, there is a section of the country that believes that he and this bullying attitude can push forth and do something on foreign policy, but we are at a time when we need somebody who understands -- >> you would not vote for donald trump? >> i am not telling you who i am going to vote for. >> it is friday and that is a strong case. and why is trump, and april is certainly right, and 36% of the republicans registered voters could be 18% of the country, 1 in 5 and that is all. >> and trump benefits to some degree to the paris attacks and my joke is that donald trump is

not burdened by self-doubt, and the american people are at the moment afraid. people are, my mother calls me, and have you seen what is on tv here. and people want to be assured that there is a strong man, super man who can sort of -- i got it all. >> and we have the candidates on the right that they normally would have not voted for when we had the iranian crisis. >> that is right. and it is a four-decade long clash with the republican party a and this is trump when this might be the economic and ideological tipping point of the party a wway from, this is the anti-free trade and anti-immigrant and anti- -- into someone that they believe is telling them the straight talk and giving them a sense of connection back to the america they once knew, and the strong america, and the america that provided for the families and an america that you could seek a better opportunity, and that

message, and nobody at this message or nobody in the media thought it would resonate. >> i have not predicted it. i think it is a failure of the political establishment, and this rabble rauser comes out and says, they can't solve it, because they keep talking about it. they can't talk about the loss of industry in every american cities, and i will do something about it. and by the way, 55% say they handle trump to handle the economy, over a majority, and they trust him most to handle immigration. and 46% say they trust him to handle isis, and 30% trust him to handle foreign policy, and he is apparently the tops in all of those, april. >> well, the economy, because he is a billionaire and rich, and has celebrity and that is what he made the life around, the mon money, and the celebrity came, but it is a whole different areas than being in politic, but it is a different game.

>> and it is something. some of the jokers who run for office have never done anything. what has jeb bush ever done? >> but fighting isis is different. >> have you seen the book? it is all of the phallic skyscrapers that he has built, and if he could put up those buildings, he could do someth g something. >> but trump is authentic in the politician sense the way that other politicians don't, and remember that the republican accusation against barack obama is that he use as tell proms a r and trump doesn't. >> and obama has policy with the teleprompter, and he has bullying from the podium. >> and he is tapping into the people who are feeling disrupted and diskwon next and they don't have anything to hang on to the, and he is giving them what they need to feel like they are part of this. >> megan. >> and it doesn't matter if i dis disagree, but that is what is happening. >> and like harold, you never know, because you could have a

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jamal bryant who is upset with donald trump meeting with the black ministers last week, and he is going to be not only having the meeting, but take to a walk in the area where freddie gray was murdered. >> just bernie sanders. >> yes. i am betting $10 that we won't hit the december 11th deadline for hitting the government budget, and shutdowns will be threatened by thursday, and we won't do it. >> because ryan won't do it? >> right. because ryan won't do it. >> and boehner gave him a great deal. >> and the d democrats are going to have to swallow something they don't like. >> and donald trump is releasing the medical records next week as he going to be combat iting the accusations that he has not been transparent about the tax business and now his medical records. >> who has been asking for them? >> some reporters are asking about it. >> what do they believe he has?

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let's get back to southern california now to gabe gutierrez who is with us. he has been talking to the muslim community out there in riverside. gabe? >> hey, there, chris. good evening. we are hearing that one of the two mosques where farook was worship i worshipping at the mosques and what members of the community say they have absolutely no idea how he could have become radicalized and when he worshipped at the mosques, he was a devout muslim who very much kept to himself, and he even offered to help the members of the community with the other problems that they had and for example helping one person whose car had broken down, and today, members of the muslim community here in afternoon prayers they got the together and they wanted to emphasize that this, these actions in no way exemplify the

muslim faith. we spoke with one person who knew farouq, and this is what he had to say. >> i just found out. i am in shock. i found out a few minutes ago. i am hurt. i'm hurt. because this is, like i said, i have been coming here for 25 year, and almost never the community knows me, but they don't have a personal relationship with me like he did. >> again, many people in the commu community just expressing disbelief and expressing how they had no idea that mr. farook could have done this. they also expressed disbelief in any suggestion that perhaps his wife may have played any role in the radicalization. they say that his wife pretty much kept to herself and many people in the community did not know him, but again, members of the muslim community wanted to stress ta they conde terrorist , and they fear a backlash both

here and throughout the country. >> if they fear, that i have a right to do it, but the people watching this show understand that you don't criminalize a group of people, because one person has commited a terrible act or two people, and one who came to this country joining a person, and you nknow, there is a -- almost 2 billion muslims in the world. we better not get into that. thank you, gabe gutierrez. >> that is exactly right. thank you. >> and thank you for joining us with that point of view. we will be right back. where our next arrival is... red carpet whoa! toenail fungus!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine used to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. are you getting this?! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling,

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inside ♪ >> what a show. we are back pand it h, and our show this friday night with a real star. carole king. besides being one of the great songwriters of modern times she hasn't been shy about sharing her political views. she's an avid supporter of hillary clinton, an outspoken advocate for wilderness preservation, and this weekend carole king will be among the five performers honored by the john f. kennedy center for the performing arts at their 38th annual celebration of the arts. carole, thank you so much. you're now in -- i went through the list that won the kennedy center awards. frank sinatra, mary martin, bruce springsteen. it's quite a list to be on now. >> it's absolutely -- i think katharine hepburn's on that list, too. which i did not know. >> yes. >> it's amazing. it really is amazing. sometimes, you know, it's so big i can't take it in. >> well, something else is going on in your world besides being a great songwriter.

everything's in my head now from going over your songs. even "locomotion" with little evie. i wrote that. let me ask you about hillary clinton. >> okay. i am an avid supporter. >> what is it? >> she is the most capable. she's really smart. she does her homework. she relates to what people actually need. and there's been all this demonizing of her for a reason, because she is so capable they have to find some way to get after her. but i just think she's great. and the fact that she's a woman is certainly a plus, but it isn't about that she's a woman. it's about that she is the most capable person. >> what do you make? we've had suffrage in this country since 1920. >> and can't get an e.r.a. >> women have had the technical right to vote going on exactly a century. i look at all the states. not all the states are equal in this department 37 states like california and new york are very

good for women. you've seen that. even new england's very good. massachusetts. pennsylvania and ohio not so great. the south not so great. >> other than idaho. >> not so great. >> so it is an uneven situation in the electoral college for hillary to do. i expect she will carry certain states and have a hard time in some others. >> first of all, it depends on who's running against her. >> let's talk about -- >> by the way, she is not yet the nominee technically. >> i know. >> so we're going to assume we have to get -- >> you can assume that. i think she will be. but let me ask you about it. i think bernie sanders had his run, and i think that run sort of wore out there. but let me ask you about her against trump because right now trump, most republicans now believe he will be the nominee. extraordinary fact, but it's true. her against him. how's that look? >> i think she wins. but there is a key to that. and that is that i'm one of the people who are absolutely horrified that a person that full of hate, that spews that hate would be our leader. and i know there are a lot of other people, i talk to them

from both parties, independents who are equally horrified. but the way we don't have him be the president is if all of us who are horrified get out and vote. >> could it be that people are so disgusted with the establishment? i mean, there's some reason why they're going to this guy. he's never held office. >> i would say look at who's in charge now. in terms of the congress. >> 9% approval of the u.s. congress right now, carole. 9%. that's almost as low as jeb b h bush's. almost as low as jeb bush's numbers. >> well, that's another story. but no. you know, here's an example. yesterday i was on the hill, and there's this zadroga act, which is the 9/11 first responders bill to get them health care, which i think hillary worked on when she was a senator. carolyn maloney worked on it. i was out there with these people. they won't renew that, and mitch mcconnell won't bring it up for a vote. why is anybody from any party not bringing this up for a vote?

it's ridiculous. these were our first responders. >> yeah, they're the ones -- our heroes. >> yeah. >> everybody cheered them after 9/11. >> no wonder people don't like congress. >> carole king, thank you. by the way, good luck saving wilderness country. i love places -- i went out there a couple years ago to montana and wyoming. it's unbelievable. and idaho. >> it's -- >> sun valley, places like that. ketchum. >> ketchum. >> the premier saloon. you wait three hours for a steak and it's worth it. it's fantastic out there. carole king, it's an honor. you're going to be honored along with people like katharine hepburn, bette davis, frank sinatra. what a list you're going to be on. thank you, carole king, for giving us something good to talk about in this show. we'll be right back after this. and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.

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let me finish tonight with some joy for a happy weekend. i say it to all who live in our country tonight but especially to those who are deeply and personally committed to its ideals. when you think about, it there

is one truly different fact about we americans. it's that you can become one of us. all you have to do is love this country and commit yourself to it, make america your country with all your heart. well, part of that commitment is accepting the commitment of others who've done the same. i say this for the obvious reason, don't you think? it's out of the fear that the very worst will come out of this horror in san bernardino, that a lot of us americans will start to reject the basic american fact. again, it's that you can become one of us. so not being much different than anyone else watching right now, listening to me, i know the emotions that come up with this kind of thing happens. i'm as nationalistic as anyone. you know that. but i also know on my better moments that being an american nationalist means rooting for our compatriots who came here from different places. because unless we stick to what that is and what our country's based on we're going to see a lot of coming apart that's truly scary. a blowing up of what holds this country together and makes it exceptional. and that would be an explosion far worse than any pipe bomb

could cause. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from san bernardino, california. i'm chris hayes. tonight for the first time we're seeing the face of the second suspect in wednesday's mass shooting. tashfeen malik, 27, who along with her husband, syed farook, age 28, killed 14 people and wounded over 20 at a center for the developmentally disabled. that attack is now as of today being investigated officially as an act of terror after authorities uncovered evidence. the two suspects both now dead may have been radicalized and inspired by terrorist groups overseas. in a joint statement with attorney general loretta lynch, however, fbi director james comey said the attackers appeared to have acted on their own. >> so far we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized larger group or form part of a cell