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processed, being analyzed and being gathered. and more to come. so what i would say to people is that this investigation has already been stated as a marathon and not a sprint. >> fbi agents saturday raided and searched the house where a friend of gunman sied farook lived. the friend originally bought the assault style weapons used in the attack. he's not considered a suspect in the attack. and police trying to learn more about syed farook and tashfeen malik. authorities will be able to obtain records for the past two years directly from phone companies. let's get more on the president's address to the nation tonight. ron allen is at the white house. what do we expect to hear from the president? >> this is obviously a big moment for the president and the nation. we expect him to try to reassure the american people that everything is being done to keep the homeland safe.

we also expect him to explain what happened in san bernardino and what's being done to keep it from happen again. >> it is entirely possible these two attackers were radicalized to commit this act of terror. >> president obama in his weekly address all but saying the attack in san bernardino was terrorism. he called for stricter gun laws. >> this is a war. >> this is a very dangerous world that we live in. >> we are in the midst of the next world war. >> republicans running for president warning the commander in chief it's not up to the challenge of defeating the so-called islamic state. >> people come in and blow up people and shoot people and kill people. i don't rule out anything. >> donald trump now calling for a crackdown on the families of suspected terrorists. beginning with the relatives of tashfeen malik and syed farook. his sister. >> i had absolutely no idea he

was involved in anything like that. >> she lied about him. she knew. and a lot of other people knew, too. >> ben carson slipping in the polls says he'll stop immigration programs like the one malik used to enter the country as a fiancee. >> that vetting resulted in missing someone who could carry out such a horrendous crime. that should be the end of the argument right there. >> others vowed to take the fight to isis. >> if ielected to serve as commander in chief, we won't cower in the face of evil. we need to do saturation carpet bombing directed at isis. >> in his remarks tonight, we expect the president to say his strategy is to degrade isis with coalition and air strikes and troops on the ground will be successful in time. we expect him to talk about what happened in san bernardino and to reassure the public the homeland is safe. >> ron allen, thank you for that.

joining me right now, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee, congressman adam schiff of california. it's a big conversation. let's first talk about the president addressing the nation tonight. what's the most important message that he needs to deliver to the american public? >> i think he needs to try to connect with the american people's fear about what happened in san bernardino. i talked to a number of people in los angeles who feel this acutely in a way they haven't felt since 9/11. they are deeply worried about all of these mass shootings but those particularly motivated by terror. they want to know what can be done about it and the fact that these two may have flown under the radar, may or may not have had contact with a terror organization and they may not have talked with anybody either in person or social media makes it difficult to address. that's a grave concern for people. first and foremost, the president has to acknowledge with what the country is going through and set out his vision for how we're going to attack

this problem. >> let's take a listen to what the president said yesterday in the weekly address. >> we are americans. we will uphold our values and our free and open society. we are strong and we are resilient, and we will not be terrorized. >> president obama took a bit of a tougher rhetorical stance there on terror. critics are suggesting for the sake of reassuring the country he needs to strike an even more aggressive tone. what's your take on his tone? do you think he should sharpen it? >> we'll have to sharpen our approach and that should be conveyed as part of the president's message. ron allen when he was saying that over time we'll take care of this threat, we'll defeat this scourge, that's the critical phrase, over time. do we have enough time? are we proceeding fast enough to deprive isis of this space in iraq and syria? this place where we can draw resources. they can inspire people around the world, and i think we're

going to have to be more aggressive in going after them. that won't be the end of isis, even when we eliminate their so-called state. they'll become more like al qaeda. but it will dramatically reduce their ability to plot and plan attacks like paris. so i think the president will need to be more aggressive in dealing with this problem. ultimately will have to consider things he hasn't wanted to in the past like the establishment of a safe zone or buffer zone. things that can dramatically change the conditions on the ground. we're making some slow progress but the battlefield has been stalemated for a long time and that's a real problem. >> here's what the chair of the homeland security committee said about what he wants to hear from the president. >> he has to get off this rhetoric. this is not workplace violence. it's an act of terrorism. i wanted to tell the truth to the american people about what the threat nature really is. and what the threat itself is and that's radical islamist

terrorism. >> congressman, in trying to understand the president's measured approach, how much of it is an effort not to be ala alarmist and not give isis the satisfaction that this country is terribly alarmed by its actions. is it part of his calculation? should it be? >> it should be part of a calculation that he doesn't want the country to do things that would be counterproductive. if we simply lash out at the islamic community or isolate our own islamic community at home that's not productive. we have to view this as a key ally on extremism. particularly here at home where members of the community have worked closely with law enforcement to alert law enforcement when there's evidence someone is becoming radicalized. that's a very important component of the solution. foremost the president wants to make sure the cannot understands this is the strategy we need to defeat isis at home and abroad and make sure we're not changing

the character of the country, not ignoring the values of the country or doing things counterproductive. in terms of the chairman's comments about workplace violence, the other thing the president wants to make sure is he doesn't get too far out ahead of the facts. in the first 24 hours, there were reports there was some kind of an argument at work and then he returned with guns and shooting people. that was certainly one potential indication. even now as the attorney general was saying early this morning, there is a lot we don't know about what motivated this couple. so i think the president is being rightfully circumspect. there are big pieces of the motivation still missing even if we can tell at this point there was a radicalization at work. >> congressman, to underscore what you mentioned earlier about the sentiments of your constituents there how far can a president go to allay the citizens' fears? >> i think the president can do

a great deal to inspire the country to communicate that, yes, this is a problem, but let's put this problem in context. if you look at, for example, the number of mass shootings we've had around the country, far more people have been killed by everyday gun violence or by mass shootings that were on the basis of racism or on the basis of whole host of other problems involving mental health. so i think the president can put this problem in context but nonetheless, he needs to communicate a determination to eradicate this scourge of terrorism, to defeat isis and al qaeda. but convey that this is going to be a long struggle. we need to be smart about how we do it and underscore that we're not going to change who we are. we're not going to turn into some people we don't want to be, cracking down on the rights of americans in effect allow the terrorist to succeed in changing

the future of america. nk given the import of an oval office message, do you expect any policy announcements from the president? for example, an executive order on gun control? >> i don't think we'll hear about that in the statement tonight. i think the statement tonight is going to be designed to reassure the public to put these attacks in context to talk about how the president is taking the fight to isis. i think that will be the paramount message tonight. but i do think the president may make an effort this evening or in the subsequent days to talk about the overall problem that america has with gun violence where we're becoming known around the world for our mass shootings. that is not what america wants to be known for. there is a lot we can do about it. obviously the approach we need to take to terror cases is very different. but nonetheless, there is a great deal we can do to stop this now weekly if not daily occurrence where people going to the movie theater or mall or to

work have to be concerned about being mowed down by someone with high caliber weapons, with high capacity ammunition clips. >> and yet as you are well aware, california has one of the strictest gun laws in the country. yet the attacks still happened there. is there a law that could have been put in place that would have stopped the attack? >> there's no law that is going to stop all of these attacks, and this is a key point because with respect to any particular attack like in san bernardino you san say, this remedy wouldn't have affected this attack. that may be true, but it affects many other attacks, and there may be something that can be done that would have affected the san bernardino attack. if the attack in san bernardino was solely an isis-inspired terror, we're going to comb through, were there any signs we missed about this couple that we should have seen and hopefully we'll find something that we can learn from to say, okay, we need to do a better job with this or

that. we have to acknowledge the possibility, though, that some of these attacks may not be preventable if these people didn't communicate with others, didn't share their radicalization with others, didn't obtain the weapons illegally, flew under the radar. that's a very tough thing to spot or to stop. >> defense secretary ash carter appears before the house armed services committee this past week. here's part of what he said as the military engages more in fighting isis. >> to build on that momentum, we're sending on president obama's orders and the chairman's and my advice, special operations forces personnel to syria to support the fight against isil. >> and that, as you know, is in addition to an earlier boost in special ops forces a few weeks ago. do you think it will have an impact on domestic security? >> i think it does have an impact on domestic security. there are a lot of questions

about whether we'll have enough special operators to move the needle on the battlefield. depriving isis of the luxury of being able to plot and plan and drive resources to attack us does have an impact on our security here at home and if we can deprive and when we do deprive isis of their territory, that takes a lot of the inspiration away, even for the home-grown radicals. right now isis likes to convey an aura of invincibility. this is very inspiring to people who have been radicalized and to the degree that you can take away that orenvincibility. that has an impact on the security very much here at home. and we're not immune from a paris-style attack. they aspire to attack us that way, if they are given more time and the luxury to plan and plot. they may have the capability of doing that. so it has a very direct link to our security.

>> do you want more boots on the ground, sir? >> well, i want us to do something with our allies around the world to change the dynam ic. i don't want to see us with another massive occupation of a muslim country. i think that's the wrong approach. to me, the lesson of afghanistan and iraq is that we can send in massive numbers of troops. we can win the battles, but unless we deal with the political problems there, they don't stay won. and we don't report to have to occupy these countries indefinitely. we need to do more to address the political problems. and the political problems both in iraq and syria are you have a large group of disenfranchised sunnis who either, a, have no place in the iraqi government. they aren't meaningfully part of the iraqi security. they feel run by a tehran-led shia regime in baghdad or across the border in syria, they feel they are disenfranchised by an aloite regime barrel bombing their populations. until they feel they have a stake in their own governance

and security, isis is always going to have a space in both those countries. >> california's congressman adam schiff, always a pleasure, sir. >> thanks, alex. we invite all of you to watch the president's speech tonight on msnbc. chris matthews will begin our special coverage at 7:00 p.m. eastern. now a bit more on the california shootings investigation. at an fbi raid in the area this weekend, blake mccoy is in san bernardino for us. good day to you. what do we know about that raid? >> we know the raid was conducted with a search warrant by the fbi. the person who lived in the home is enrique marquez. he's described as a childhood friend of farook, the shooter. he is also who authorities believe purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack. we know farook himself purchased the handguns. as you can see, authorities went into the garage with a blow torch and also were very cautious going into other parts of the home using bomb-sniffing

dogs ahead of themselves. we can tell you that marquez is not considered a suspect but what authorities want to know is those guns were purchased in 2011 and 2012. when did farook get the guns? did them at that time or more recently. the two had grown apart in recent months despite being childhood friends. for an update, nbc news spoke with attorney general loretta lynch this morning. this is what she had to say. >> we are trying to learn as much as we can about her life before they met, after they met and frankly after she came here as well. what we are trying to focus on is what motivated these two individuals? what led them not just to commit the act but to choose this particular place. >> and she also added that 300 interviews have now been conducted in regards to this investigation. she cautioned it's a marathon, not a sprint. and she also told us that authorities in pakistan and

saudi arabia are cooperating in the investigation. we know farook's wife was a pakistani national and they both spent time in saudi arabia. >> blake mccoy in san bernardino, thanks for that. bullets at his home and car. you'll hear from a man who witnessed the dramatic shootout between police and the san bernardino attackers. feel like there's so many incidents that have occurred, you know, it's just -- where is it going to happen next? i just think society is just changing. this world is just changing. he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened;

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residents are finally being able to walk out of their houses. [ gunfire ] >> the gunfire you're hearing was recorded by one of the residents. once the gunfire ended, they were forced to stay inside their homes as law enforcement officials began investigating the scene. joining me now exclusively here is david alvarado who lives on that block. david, extraordinary what you've experienced. but let's start from the beginning. did you know the extent of what you were witnessing when the gunfire began? >> what had happened was all over the news so i had just gotten home and no longer than three minutes did i hear gunfire. and it shook the house. it's just -- you felt the shot goes through your body. so, yeah. it was absolutely terrifying.

>> so you knew what had happened from the news. you get home three minutes before all that chaos and pandemonium starts right outside of your door. what exactly did you see and hear, david? >> i just heard the gunfire, but not only did we hear it, we felt the gunfire echoing through our bodies like the sound was -- the base of it you felt. we right away ran for cover and just ran for safety. i called 911. yeah, unexplainable. >> i know some of these bullets hit you and your landlord's car, also your house. and those cars you say actually helped save some lives. can you show us with the help of our cameraman there what happened? >> sure. the first bullet i saw was from the house and it hit right here.

going that direction. and then another one we saw was here and it's going towards the house here as well. and then we have another one that is here. and then there's more on the back side. >> we can take a look. it goes through the truck, through the bed of the other side. and then it carries on to the next house which is at an angle that is directly to the front door of the house. and then this one as well. and there's more. we have the whole back of this one here and then two more up top. >> it's kind of hard to -- >> and the door as well. >> i'd say it's probably about a half inch -- >> i'm sorry? >> i was going to say, it seems hard to even believe that it

came this close to you. and where were you, david, at this point? had you already gotten inside the house? >> yes, i was inside the house. i had heard the gunshots and just ran for cover instantly and then called 911 and told them i live on san bernardino avenue and there's gunshots being fired right now. they just said stay down. so that's what i did. >> i bet you did. during the last few days, have you been able to see any of the investigation from your vantage point? did police talk with you and your landlord? >> there was -- everybody doing their job, running, taking care of business, measuring, taking pictures. a whole team of experts taking care of business. >> you know, we are hearing, david, from our fellow citizens from all over this country now saying that they are living in a state of constant fear as a result of what happened wednesday and all the other recent shootings. do you feel the same given the shooting happened just ten minutes or so from where you

live? >> my learning experience is through all of this is i thought, how could it happen? but you don't know when it's going to happen. i'm referring to it as you never know when lightning is going to strike because at any time, any place, anywhere, there could be crazy disaster that just turns your whole world around. the crazy part is we have to live with this and we have to feel the bullets echoing through our ghobody and know that our street was ran down by gunshots. it's a scary thing for anyone to have to go tlhrough. i want to say a prayer for everyone out there affected by this. and i'm sorry that there are people out there that will do this to others. >> yeah. >> i wish it didn't happen. >> i tell you. you're echoing the sentiments of all of us. how has your neighborhood changed in the aftermath of this

shooting? >> the streets aren't so busy anymore out here. people are staying inside. people are nervous. they're scared. we're afraid. but nevertheless, we have to go on with our lives and be strong and just take care of each other. keep an eye on one another. it's our neighborhood. >> david, i hope you have loved ones with whom you can hunker down with in the holidays if you choose to stay inside. thanks for sharing it with us on msnbc. take good care of yourself. developing now, former president jimmy carter says an mri scan showed his brain cancer is gone. the 91-year-old announced the good news to attendees at the sunday church class he teaches in plains, georgia. he underwent radiation treatment for several spots on his brain and liver. more from what we expect to hear from the president when he speaks from the oval office to the nation tonight.

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a sign of normalcy in the hometown of syed farook and fasc tashfeen malik. they held the christmas parade last night. residents could not escape the shadow of the violence that claimed 14 lives wednesday. >> it's in our minds, for sure. we have two boys that are dancing in the parades today, but it's important for us not to give in to what the terrorists want. >> i think it's important to live our lives the way it was before all this happened, and it's important to have a sense of normalcy and i really -- i trust our police department. they've done a wonderful job with everything so far. >> i think they're doing great. i think they are. a lot of hurt and a lot of healing. everybody with their prayers. it's going to get better. >> nbc's morgan radford is in

redlands for us. give me a sense of how people are coping there. >> well, alex, as you just saw this sunday morning, this community is starting to stitch itself back together piece by piece. just last night an interfaith vigil. in part they were saying this is our time to reintroduce ourselves. there was a young 12-year-old boy there last night. he says when these things happen and he goes to school, sometimes he's made fun of for being muslim. this is his chance to show he's a friend, not an enemy. there was a christmas parade. yesterday as you can imagine there were some heavy hearts. take a listen. >> my personal feeling about it is that each of us as individuals need to get out and get to know who we're living next door to because that's how a community grows. this is not redlands, and i hope

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." new reaction from presidential candidates in the aftermath of the shooting in san bernardino. >> if a developmentally disabled center is a target, then every place in america say target. that's why it was so long for congress and the president to pull back on our surveillance capability with the nsa. >> there's no reason we shouldn't be putting out countermessages and no reason we shouldn't be attacking their servers and trying to disrupt their messaging when we see it's radicalizing people. >> we have to upp our game against terrorists abroad and at home and take account of the fact that our gun laws and easy access to those guns by people who shouldn't get them. these are two parts of the same

approach that i'm taking to make us safe. >> gun control is not part of a strategy to defeat radical islam or take isil down. >> immediately destroy isis in a coalition on the ground. mark my words, we'll ultimately have to do it. and the longer we wait, the more complicated and more costly it will be. >> attorney general loretta lynch gave an exclusive interview to my colleague chuck todd and told him what americans should expect to hear from president obama tonight. >> what you're going to hear from him is a discussion about what government is doing to ensure all of our highest priorities. the protection of the american people. he'll talk about the actions we've taken, not just since 9/11, but since paris to help keep the american people and american interests safe. you may hear him call on congress to review measures nrd take action as well. but what you'll hear the president stay is to call on the american people to pull out the best in themselves and not give in to fear at this time. >> for more on all of this, i'm joined by leslie sanchez, former

vermont governor howard dean and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. with welcome to all three of you, jeremy, i'm going to begin with you. what should we expect to hear from the president tonight? >> one of the things i'm going to be listening for is how he tackles the issue of gun control. this is a priority of the president. something he has tried to get congress to act on. they have not. but one of the things he needs to be careful about and i'm reminded of the debate over immigration is not antagonize republicans. every time he talks about doing an executive type action that would bypass congress, that's what ends up happening. they become -- republicans become more entrenched and a bipartisan solution becomes impossible to get through. >> so what can he say that he has not already said, do you think? >> i think he has to be very careful of stepping into the gun control issue at all. i think listening to loretta lynch there, it sounds like this is going to be a more general speech rather than something

focused on any specific particular policy. and i think right now the country needs to hear that. they probably don't want to be engaged or swept up in a policy debate. >> let's all take a listen to michael mccullough just a short time ago. here's that. >> before paris he said isis was contained. before san bernardino, he said that americans were safe from isis. it was not an exstensial threat. he wants to downplay this threat all throughout his campaign narrative into his presidency. and i think the american people deserve to know what the truth really is. >> at a time when some people are doubting if he's addressing these terror threats directly enough, what do you want to hear from the president tonight? >> i think jeremy had it right. first of all, let me, since i've been a critic of "the new york times" in this campaign, let me say how fantastic i thought it was for them to put the gun control editorial on the front

page of the paper, to have sort of the paper of the country, official paper of the country do that after 95 years is an extraordinary thing to do. the answer here as far as i'm concerned is all of the above. i did hear hillary clinton this morning. she made a lot of sense. i thought ben carson made a lot of sentencse. attacking their servers and so forth. we do have to do all these things. i'm fairly sure we are doing some of those things. the president knows what he's doing. he gets briefed. we don't. there's an all-encompassing strategy. we don't have to take everybody's guns but we don't need semiautomatic guns floating around in the community. we don't have to eavesdrop on every conversation but we need to do more surveillance. one of the smartest things that was said about this was patty on the program just earlier who talked about reinstating our communities and getting people to know each other. these things are less likely to happen when people know their

next-door neighbor. that was a very smart thing to say. >> i agree and echoed that sentiment. leslie having worked in the bush administration in the aftermath of 9/11, do you think critics of the president are failing to take into account that perhaps his approach is calculated so he doesn't appear alarmist and further instill fear and anxiety? >> with respect to the president's actions, it's going to be very interesting the balance that we hear. i don't think we can anticipate how much people are concerned about the threat of terrorism and our homeland. it has been a constant drum beat, even before 9/11, but certainly after. and they are looking for leadership from this president. that's what's interesting about the political debate. this is about terrorism, not about hunters and individuals that are going target shooting. this is a very serious concern and almost feelss like the white house narrative is something that this global economic terrorism is something on the

side, not something that's a domestic policy issue about guns. it's critical the president sets the right tone and does reach out across to republicans and look for -- and talk about a comprehensive strategy. something we have not heard from with respect to the obama administration and something that the more hillary clinton ties herself to obama and this foreign policy, the more it's a detriment to his overall. >> how much do you expect the president's approach is factored into the legacy he wants to leave behind? this may consume a lot of his final year. >> it will. this is going to consume a lot of his final year. this kind of stuff can't be happening. the only terrorists not from isis. we have a lot of do midwestic terrorists. people who shot up planned parenthood. i actually think that terrorists meet the definition of being mentally ill. there's a thin line which really doesn't exist between lunatics

and terrorists. isis is not an islamic thing. it's a death cult hiding behind islam. hillary clinton was right about that. i think we're going to have to do more surveillance of american citizens that's all of us, not just muslims. that doesn't mean we have to invade everybody's rights. we'll have to do something about semiautomatics. the point about semiautomatics that the opponents of gun control make. if that guy had a pistol, some people would have been killed but probably not 14 of them. so a lot has to be done here. i think hillary laid out a pretty good set of things to do this morning when she was on with stephanopoulos. >> i have to go back to this point. this san argument the left makes all the time. the point is the guns are not committing the crime. people are. and there's not an enforcement of background checks, that there's a fault in the system. that's a fair point. there needs to be judge approic

approach. but this is not the issue. >> can you really separate the people from the guns in these teak attacks? >> there's two different debates going on. one is this issue of terrorism and does the president have a strategy to protect american homeland and looking forward, what do we need to do globally? the other is, of course, the issue that there's a fair debate here. the narrative should not be conflicted. i think this is just a default argument the left makes and it really undermines the fact that isis has declared war on us but we do not have a strategy that can respond to that. that's where the american public is and that's the response they'll be looking for from the president tonight. >> i want to pick up on what howard had just set. some are suggesting the president's tone and perhaps less vocal approach leaves room for some louder and incendiary voices. is that valid? >> well, i think donald trump had it right the other day when he said bad things happen and my number goes up.

there's a certain segment of the population, republican population, about a quarter of it that wants to hear somebody like donald trump. that -- and that, i think, is where you are seeing a lot of the really bellicose language bubble up on the republican side. ted cruz right now knows he cannot be the republican nominee with donald trump in the way. he sounds angrier and more frightened than he would otherwise. and this latest ad that he has saying that we will go out and kill these terrorists. the language that they are use -- >> carpet bombing and the like. >> exactly. the language they are using is so dark and overheated. and it's a level of demagoguery that we have not seen in american politics for a really long time. >> what's your reaction to that? i want you to also couple in with your answer taking a listen to what trump said at a rally last night. he was accusing syed farook's family and neighbors of knowing about the guns and the materials in the garage and knowing what

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british air strikes on isis targets in syria. and oil field in eastern syria was hit friday. the british defense secretary says the goal of the new missions is to hit isis, quote, where it really hurts. but a recent article in "the new

york times" suggests air strikes may not do enough to hurt the terrorist group financially. and joining me now, one of the authors of that article, steven lee meyers. welcome to you. we have known about isis smuggling oil, stealing from banks, looting antiquities, ransoming kidnapped foreigners. but there are other sources of income isis has? what are they? >> essentially isis created a form of government in the areas that it controls. and like many governments tax services. they do it in an extortionary way but charge services for all manner of services, including electricity, fees for travel documents and so forth. small businesses are taxed and they are able to generate by some estimates more money from that than they do from smuggling oil across the borders. >> how much money are we talking about? >> the estimates vary and there's not a lot of precise knowledge but in most estimates they can smuggle somewhere

around $500 million worth of oil a year. that's a high estimate. but these services and fees, extortion, by some estimates are nearly a billion dollars. >> that's extraordinary. what about everyday syrians? syrians and iraqis. what do they have to say about these fees. are they resentful? >> they don't have a lot of say in the matter. they have to pay the fees. they can't really resist them. some of them are punishments for what we'd call syntaxes, smoking is forbidden. some of my colleagues talk to inside of the terrorist, describe it as something people really can't resist, can't afford to resist because the fear they feel. >> there was a time the islamic state tried to portray itself as a governing body and paid salaries well and so forth. despite their murderous ideology, they wanted to show they could provide security in

all of that. and i think it is somewhat taxing on the people inside, somewhere between 6 million and 9 million people who live inside isis territory are subject to this fund-raising. >> can this be something as benign as wearing the wrong clothes? does it go down even to that level? >> i don't think it's so much the clothes in terms of the money and so forth, but it's things -- certainly smuggling there's an aspect to that. cigarettes are forbidden items. but mostly it's ordinary business, mobile phones. things we all take for granted. >> the bombing campaign has been targeting the oil fields. many experts say that's not going to hurt isis much. why not? >> well, i think it actually will hurt some. obviously, in the last few days, both the americans on one side and russians on the other have stepped up the attacks on these convoys. they've resisted largely up

until now because of the fact the drivers of these are civilians, not fighters. but there's a recognition you have to go after every source of revenue you can. the fact is oil is only one part of their revenue stream and as long as they control territory and are able to extract resources from that through taxation or extortion, you're not really going to be able to cut them off entirely from the money they need. >> give me the bottom line. what could seriously disrupt the revenue stream for isis? >> i think ultimately the solution will be retaking territory from them. you have seen efforts and some progress made in northern iraq. the iraqi army is pushing on. ramadi, one of the main capitals they control in iraq. once they ressam or that territory is taken from them, then they'll lose those revenue streams. without that, it's going to be hard to do it entirely. >> from the not in steven lee meyers, thank you. what to expect from president obama's rare speech to

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in seven hours from now, president obama speaks to the nation from the oval office. four days after the san bernardino shootings. what he's expected to say. what do americans want to hear? hello and welcome to "weekends with alex witt." 10:00 a.m. in the west. the point of that speech to address the investigation into the shootings in the broader terror threat facing this country. what a white house release calls obama's top priority, keeping americans safe. meanwhile, fbi agents saturday raided and searched the house

where a friend of gunman syed farook lived. they believe the friend originally bought the assault-style rifles used in the attack though he is not considered a suspect in the attack. attorney general loretta lynch says investigators are trying to learn more about syed farook and his wife tashfeen malik. >> we are trying to learn as much as we can about her life before they met, after they met and frankly after she came here as well. what we are trying to focus on is what motivated these two individuals. what led them, not just to commit the acts but to pick this particular place. >> we have reports from blake mccoy in san bernardino, ron allen at the white house and morgan radford in red lents. blake, what do you know in riverside? >> riverside, a nearby town to san bernardino where the attack hand. marquez is described to us as a childhood friend. enrique marquez, the person who lived at the home. he originally purchased the

assault-style rifles used in the attack. he purchased them back in 2011 and 2012. what the fbi wants to know is did farook get the weapons at that time or acquire the weapons more recently. a witness, a neighbor who witnessed the raid there tells us the two had fallen out of contact in recent months and the fbi says he is not himself a suspect in the shooting. alex? >> how about investigators at the scene which as i know near to where you are, the scene of the shooting. has everything been wrapped up there? >> there were originally three crime sxeens the intersection where that suv was ritled with bullet holes. that's been cleared out. the fbi has left the home of farook and his wife. the scene behind me where the original shooting took place is the last remaining scene. we do not see a lot of activity out here right now. the investigation has moved behind the scenes conducting interviews and doing forensic

testing of a lot of the evidence that's been taken away, including the computer evidence and those two crushed cell phones found near the home. >> blake mccoy, thank you so much. from southern california to the white house, where president obama will deliver a rare oval office address later tonight. he's expected to discuss terrorism in the wake of the shooting in san bernardino. joining me now, nbc's ron allen. what are you hearing about the message the president will deliver? >> i think the essence of his message is that he is very concerned about this. he is aweare of the fears out there and he's going to try to reassure the american people we believe that everything possible is being done to protect the homeland. we expect to hear more about the investigation. what exactly happened? something a lot of people want to know. something the president has not really explained. he's going to talk about the broader sense of the evolving terrorism threat the country now faces. something different from back

during 9/11. now it's more concern about lone wolf, lone actors inspired by terrorist groups. not terrorist groups necessarily planning large-scale attacks. the president faced a lot of criticism on both sides of the aisle. representative adam schiff -- >> the president will need to be more aggressive in dealing with this problem. i think ultimately he'll have to consider things he hasn't wanted to in the past like the establishment of the safe zone or buffer zone. things that can dramatically change the conditions on the ground. we are making some slow progress but the battlefield has been stale mated for a long time and that's a real problem. we're not immune from a paris-style attack. they aspire to attack us that way if they are given more time and the luxury to plan and plot. so it has a very direct link to our security. >> talking mostly about the fight against isis in iraq and

syria. the air campaign, coalition of forces. working with local ground troops from iraq and syria to try and take out isis there. what he wasn't talking about is what going to happen on the homeland. how things may change here. now the administration is going to call for more vigilance in the public. people looking at their neighbors. keeping their eyes and ears open to spot this home-grown terrorismy in n y iphenomenon. we hope to hear more on that from the president. >> ron allen at the white house, thank you for that. there's been an increased pressure on congress to make changes when it comes to counterterrorism efforts as well as gun control. joining me is democratic congressman pete aguilar whose district includes san bernardino. congressman, thank you for joining my. it's a difficult time for you and your constituents. what are they telling you they want to hear from the president tonight? >> you broke up a little bit

there. what we're doing here in the city of san bernardino is looking at moving forward. what we're doing is starting to come together as a community, making sure that we honor those folks appropriately who lost their lives here, but we also come together as a community and look at the next steps and be gin that healing process together. >> i think doing it all in tandem, everyone working together is how you'll have to move forward, sir. with regard to the president and the expectation from his address to the nation tonight, what do you want to hear? what are your constituents telling you they want to hear? >> i think what people here in the san bernardino community want the president to say is that the resiliency of the folks here in our community is what matters. we have been coming together with candlelight vigils and events honoring each other, praying together. that's what this country is about.

i think that's the important piece. clearly we're going to need to talk about these horrific acts, the role guns played in this, and we're going to need to talk about what we need to do to combat isis and terrorism moving forward. but here in the community of san bernardino, the want the president to acknowledge that our first responders did an incredible job, and that the families here are going to be affected for many, many years to come. and now begins this healing process. >> congressman aguilar, some are saying despite california's tough gun laws, the shooters were still able to get their hands on these weapons. should lawmakers be focussing on gun control to prevent these types of tradition and what gun laws should california and other states consider? >> well, at a minimum, at the national level, i think we need to ensure that those folks on terror watch lists don't have access to weapons. that's a vote that i took the day of this incident as i walked

off the floor of the house after voting in favor of opening up debate for that measure. that's when i started getting text messages and calls from the community. at a minimum, we need to do that. also the cdc ban on researching gun violence and safety in our communities. at a minimum, we need to address those two things. california isn't on an island. and we have arizona and nevada with different rules and different regulations. within a few hours drive from here. that's why we need comprehensive federal solutions to this as well. >> i spoke with one of your constituents yesterday who attended the same mosque as syed rizwan farook. let's listen to what he says worries him in the wake of the shooting. >> we are sorry. we are also mourning with our fellow citizens and community members. this is my city. i was born and raised here. i take it personally. this is something that affects

me. and like you see me dress. this is the way i choose to dress and fight the stereotype with the stereotype. this is my dress and just because i look like the people that are on tv saying that they're going to kill you and stuff like that, i'm not one of those people. they've hijacked my religion. >> are you worried there's going to be a backlash against the muslim community in san bernardino and throughout this country? >> that's why i've joined hands with muslims here in the community. we've attended vigils and innerfaith gatherings yesterday and i'll do so directly from this event right now from this interview. but we need to come together. muslims in the san bernardino community and throughout this country are outraged at what took place here. so i think that's the important lesson is we don't buy into the continued islamophobia message that's been going on by some folks on tv. we need to move forward as a community and san bernardino

county muslims i know stand against this horrific act. >> i'd like you to listen with me to some of the reaction from presidential candidates on the campaign trail. here's that. >> why on earth did the obama administration not know this ahead of time and stop this before they carried out the terror attack. >> you're too dangerous to fly in america, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in america, in my opinion. >> you think terrorists are going to buy a gun the way you think they are? terrorists are terrorists. they're not just criminals. they are terrorists. this is how silly their ideas are and we're going to continue to expose that. we know that's going to lead to victory in november. >> on the heels of what senator rubio said. we should say all four of the guns in the attack were purchased legally. >> i can't hear anything. >> are you not hearing me, representative aguilar? >> i'm sorry. i couldn't hear the question at all. but i will say that those messages that continue to feed

into the extremism and the islamophobia that you just saw, we can't stand for that. that's not what america stands for or san bernardino county stands for. we're going to continue to fight that message by talking about tolerance and peace in san bernardino county. that's the important thing right now. >> california congressman peter aguilar, thanks for your time. let's go from there to redlands and morgan radford. good day to you. how are people there coping some five days after the attacks? >> good afternoon, alex. representative aguilar said this community is saying it's time to move forward. just last night there was an interfaith vigil organized by the local muslim community. they says this is our opportunity to reintroduce ourselves. there was a young 12-year-old boy there who said sometimes when these things happen he'll go to school and people make fun of him for being muslim. he said now is his chance to prove he's a friend and not an enemy. yesterday there was a christmas parade.

that's when this small community comes together in full force for a day of celebration. yesterday, hearts were heavy. a lot of the thoughts were with the victims. take a listen to what the answer of sierra clayborn, one of the deceased, had to say. >> it doesn't even seem real. like it's kind of one of those things where you think i'm going to wake up and she'll be calling me or she's going to -- sorry. she's going to text me and say i'm okay. or call me and say, it's a mistake. but unfortunately, it's not going to happen. >> alex, sierra clayborn was described as a true gentle spirit and real lady. hearts all over redlands here

are breaking when you hear families like that. today there are two church services being held to not only pray for the victims but to pray for those families. alex? >> that was heartbreaking to hear. thank you so much. before we move on, we remind you the president will be speaking to the nation from the oval office. it's slated for 8:00 eastern. msnbc live coverage begins at 7:00 eastern with chris matthews. in a minute, the fire power unric unleashed in san bernardino. >> potentially learn how to use this gun? >> potentially learn how to use this gun in two minutes. >> it's easy? >> that easy. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. and when you're ready to travel, just book the flight you want, on any airline, then use your miles to cover the cost. now you're getting somewhere.

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san bernardino attack. nbc's stephanie gosk has the details. >> police say the attack on the holiday party didn't take long. roughly 75 rounds in just a matter of minutes. law enforcement searched a house belonging to a friend of syed farook who they believe originally purchased the assault rifles used in the attack. they do not consider him a suspect in the mass shooting, but they want to know when the guns were transferred to the couple. >> it's an urban tactical weapon that these individuals use in a capacity for terroristic acts. >> the semiautomatic weapons have been used in some of the deadliest shootings in recent history. 2012 in aurora, colorado. james holmes used a smith & wesson m&m to kill 12 people at a late night movie. less than six months later, adam lanza used the bushmaster to kill 20 children and six adults at sandy hook elementary.

assault rifles like these are relatively light and easy to use. >> could i potentially to use this gun in an afternoon. >> you could potentially learn how to use this gun in two minutes. >> the couple tried to alter one rifle to make it fully automatic but their attempts failed. they also used illegal high capacity magazine clips. the state of california says a magazine can only hold ten rounds. the shooters had magazines that can hold 30 and they had them taped together. when one magazine finished all they had to do was flip it and use the next one. >> investigators took security and financial records from this gun range. with rifles as easy to use as these are, the couple may not have needed much practice. >> the man who bought those assault guns has been unable to tell officials when and how he gave them to the couple. the man is too emotionally

distraught to provide that information. let's bring in the former assistant director. the fbi raided yesterday the home of the man who originally purchased two of those weapons, those assault rifles used in the attack. the man is not considered a suspect in the shooting but explain that part of the investigation. what do investigators hope to gain by tracking the gun's history? >> basically what they are trying to do is find out they will know and i'm sure they know now where those guns came from, when they were bought and by whom they were bought. what they need to find out is how long they've been out of the possession of the buyer and into the hands of the shooters because as stephanie pointed out, some work had been attempted on those guns to make them -- bring them from semiautomatic to automatic. you look at what these people did, how they change the magazines on site while they were shooting. you just don't tape two magazines together and hope it works. you have to know how to do that so when you turn one upside down

and put it back in the breach, it fits. how did they come by these weapons? when did they come by these weapons? and buying the ammunition. all of those things have to be put together to form the picture of how this all occurred. the individual that they are talking to right now is going to have to give him a lot of that information to get everybody started. >> at this point, emotionally distraught to communicate in full detail. the fbi as you know is not going to be able to access the nsa records since the government's ability expired under a court order one week ago today. exactly four days before the attack. are there other methods of tracking phone conversations of the two attackers? >> i'm sure that some of the information in terms of not the actual conversations, alex, and that's what confuses a lot of people when they say the fbi -- they can't listen to the conversation. when they were tracking probably they go back to the provider and be able to put context, when did

this phone turn on, when did it turn off? what numbers did it call and what numbers were the incoming numbers for this phone and try to put things together like that and get the records for those phones. in terms of what was said, that's not available from the cell phone companies. it's just a contact between other people. >> just logist ics of who has call maybe who and where. they are working with the government of pakistan to learn more about tashfeen malik. what kind of details do they hope to learn from them? >> ever since the very first day, our legal attaches overseas went to work trying to resolve some of the questions overseas. it isn't like we had to gather information and then transfer it and be delayed by 48, 72 hours. we were there immediately because we have people on the ground to do those kinds of things. what they are trying to learn is

where was she? how did she, from her pakistan residence and then coming back over, it's -- what did she do, where did she go? i understand she used some sort of illegal address or nonexistent address in some of the background information. they'll want to pore back through that and find out how all this happened? who interviewed her? how did she get the visa that she got. all those things will be revisited and i'm sure it's going to be uncomfortable for a few people going through that all over again. >> you were the former assistant director of the fbi's new york office. how daunting is the undertaking in front of law enforcement trying to stop these types of attacks before they happen? >> alex, it's a daunting subject because there's two things we have to look at here. number one, we look at -- we see the focus now on the individual or a couple of individuals going up to soft targets from a

terroristic standpoint. and while we're trying to look at those folks and determine who they may be before the catastrophe, we also have to look at the hardened targets and what group or groups of people are trying to do that. we live in a country, this wonderful democratic republic that we're in and none of us want the government involved in everything that we do. but when things go sideways, that's exactly what people wanted the government to be involved to know these things. you can't have it both ways all the time. nor in a republic like ours should you. you have to have a dynamic equilibrium between all of these things that occur and when that -- when you are trying to do that, sometimes, quite truthfully, things are going to fall through the cracks. they do. >> phil gavin, many thanks. in just a moment, amid the tragedy of san bernardino, a message of unity and hope. sb strong. i've smoked a lot

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so much attention is paid to the investigation of the san bernardino shootings, the community is trying to keep focus on people who lost their lives. an interfaith service will be held tomorrow to honor the 14 people who lost their lives. one of them, isaac amanios, the oldest of them. he emigrated from war-torn africa. his son can't believe he's gone. >> he sat me down on the couch. turned on the tv and watching the news. that's what he does every day he comes home from work. >> the people of san bernardino are uniting in their tragedy. the sb strong phrase flourishing in the city and on the internet. meanwhile, the united way chapter established a fund to help those affected by the attack. the president of liberty university speaks about muslims in a way that virginia's governor calls repugnant. so what did he say?

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with alex witt." president obama slated to address this nation from the oval office. he's expected to deliver remarks on the san bernardino shootings, the broader terror threats facing this country and what a white house release calls his top priority, keeping americans safe. senior law enforcement officials today tell nbc news they do not yet know whether it was isis that played a significant role in the radicalization of syed farook and tashfeen malik. loretta lynch spoke earlier about the scope of the investigation. >> four days, over 300 interviews. several locations searched. a lot of information being processed, being analyzed and being gathered. and more to come. but what i would say to people is that this investigation as it has already been stated is a marathon and not a sprint. >> meanwhile, there's fallout over comments by jerry falwell jr., president of liberty university, in reaction to the

shooting. >> i've always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those muslims before they walked in. >> falwell later clarified he was speaking about the san bernardino killers there. he is nalways good to see you, congressman. your reaction, sir, to jerry falwell jr.'s comments and similar rhetoric we're hearing on the campaign trail? >> i walked on the ground in afghanistan, a muslim country, and i also served with muslims. and those muslims that i served with would have laid down their life with me, and i for them. i think if he wanted to talk about how to prevent terrorism, how to protect his students,

rather than denigrating a faith, perhaps high would have been worthwhile listening to. so i just think his call for what he wanted to do is, yeah, i can use the word ridiculous but it's exactly what's wrong today. here's a leader of a public institution that sknt even understand the public. and that's what i think was amiss with his statements. >> what do you want to hear from the president tonight? >> i would like to hear two things. americans are rightfully, as i am, a bit alarmed. a bit unsettled. we're that way because we saw paris, when the bombings intruded on to our -- as we were going out to speak in paris just to a theater. now all of a sudden at home at a holiday christmas party, things happened right there. americans are rightfully unsettled. i think he should say several things. first of all, he should make sure that overseas, where this threat, the ideas of it emanate from that he has to recognize

for america that we will take down that state, that caliphate, isis, but then i want him to say what is our day after strategy going to be? where does it end? because if he is going to take it down, we want to know, like when it was -- we took down saddam, that we're not going to have to remain there with a threat after a threat after a threat. in short, it's not as someone said, the first step of policy that matters. it's the last step so that you leave behind a durable order. number two, i would like him to talk about here. the tools that we don't have and we should. or the tools we want to take out of the hands of the terrorists. assault weapons is what a terrorist likes because they're brutally efficient with great speed to do their damage here. how can we let them get it here at home? and number two, we can't even go back beyond two years to find out that this couple, that went

to saudi arabia, from pakistan, who did they meet over there? who did they talk to? because a few days ago as you well know, we shut down the program where we could go back several years. instead of making sure we had the proper warrant to go in and search, we just ended it. he has to address the issue overseas for a durable peaceful strategy for the day after so we're not there forever and here at home that we have the proper tools taken out of the hands of the terrorists and hands for nsa and others to make sure it doesn't happen. >> do you want to hear a gun control message, and is tonight the appropriate place to put that message forth? >> it's not what i want to hear. what i want to hear is that the president actually has a strategy. that this threat, isirks that actually is a state, controlling 6 million people, that has upwards of $2 billion a year of money coming in from its oil fields and others, that he

actually is going to be able to tell us that a strategy is something beyond just 50 special forces today and, by the way, we're going to insert a few more a week later. what's the end game so that we're not there forever. when isis goes away, that we're putting those special forces with, is it the kurds or sunnis to fight with. afterwards, working with russia. working with iran, there's a durable order there that isis is gone and there's no one that can occupy a place there because we left a vacuum as we did after saddam hussein went away. part of that is here. i voted for a bill in 2007 to study home-grown terrorism and it never got through the senate. gun control in the sense of an assault weapon can be part of this. but also, the nsa should have a larger role to play with proper judicial oversight to listen in a lot better to those that may be damaged as long as a warrant is there. it's a myriad of an approach but a strategy we look today.

>> to your point about a military strategy, sir, defense secretary ash carter appeared before the house armed services committee this past week. let's listen to part of what he said as the military engages more in fighting isis. >> to build on that momentum, we're sending on president obama's orders, and the chairman's and my advice, special operations forces personnel to syria to support the fight against isil. >> and in addition as you know to an earlier boost in the special ops forces a few weeks ago, as someone who served on the armed services committee, do you think an increase in u.s. forces there will have an impact on domestic security? >> i think the proper increase of military might is absolutely something that could help us on domestic security because i believe, though, that the way that the president and secretary of defense have approached this, it's almost like a day-to-day thing. all of a sudden we're sending

more over. no, he has to recognize that -- >> what do you see as being the proper increase? >> first of all, recognize isis is a dangerous state. not just a terrorist organization. that changes what you go after. we should be annihilating the oil fields from where it gets at least $600 million a year. we should be destroying the government bureaucracy that we know where they collect all the money, oversee the illegal smuggling and yet we gave that intelligence to the french to strike them. and this is most important, diplomatally, stop saying russia. we're not going to talk about anything. we have common interest with russia and iran on bringing them together from being uncoordinated forces there. it's not liking isis but having

different interest also. bring them together in a practical way. accept that assad is going to have to stay around for a while because iran and russia want him to. but then pivot them towards a common threat of isis and then most importantly, tell me where it ends. if you're going to put more special forces in and put them with the kurds like we did. but the kurds will take over the sunni land that's there. are they going to stay there afterwards and dominate and not let the sunnis come back? has the president thought through that when he uses force, what is the aftermath of who we're helping there so that we have afterwards not an ongoing fight between the shia and sunny. not an ongoing fight between the sunnis and kurds but rather properly placed our military strategy like we did in world war ii to have an end game by which we could have a durable peace. it won't be a perfect peace but better than saying today i'll throw in some more forces.

that's my problem. >> end game strategy is something we all want to hear. thank you so much. once again, our coverage of president obama's speech to the nation tonight begins at 7:00 eastern with "hardball's" chris matthews. the investigation into the san bernardino shootings is focussing on what radicalized syed farook and tashfeen malik. let's bring in lorenzo. he is the director of the program on extremism and author of a new book about how isis recruits in the united states. with a welcome to you, i know that you state in your report, the size of the isis related radicalization and mobilization is unprecedented. so what stands out most about the isis efforts to radicalize people in this country? >> it is unprecedented because the numbers we see are very different from what al qaeda used to be able to do. we have 900 investigations,

according to the fbi, opened on isis sympathizers in the u.s. we never had those numbers with al qaeda. the other part is staggering is the diversity of profiles. it's impossible to really profile the individuals who are attracted by isis ideology in america. teenage girls and 40-year-old men. all kinds of socio economic backgrounds. geographically dispersed. it's absolutely impossible to profile. and the last part is the social media aspect of it. the ability of this individual who radicalize and self-radicalize have to connect with isis to connect with like-minded individuals whether here in america or overseas. and that in some cases accelerates the mobilization. the passage from being just online radicals to actually carrying out acts of violence. >> so if there's no such thing as a typical isis sympathizer,

is there a common thread? >> well, the mostly tend to be american. that's probably the one common characteristic. for example, of the 71 individuals who have been arrested in the u.s., basically since march 2014 for being linked to isis, the vast majority of them, almost 90%, are u.s. citizens. most of them born and raised here. again, very different backgrounds and profiles, and most of them are americans who in different ways have embraced isis ideology. they're attracted by different parts of the isis narrative, whether it's the more violent part, the beheadings, shootings and in some cases we're talking about 17, 18, 19-year-old kids. it's almost like an extension of a video game. others are attracted more by the religious aspect of it. others by the deeply political message. so isis' ability of being able to capture different people with sort of a diverse narrative.

>> so from what you know about these two california shooters, can you clean anything from that that gives you a sense of their motivation? >> it's very difficult. there's a lot of questions marks still there. she in a way is a bit different because she recently arrived to america. now there are rumors that she was already radicalized when she came here. she was radicalized between pakistan and saudi and she was reportedly the one who radicalized him. that's what his relatives are saying. we'll find out more over the next few weeks, if so. it's a typical profile, his. well integrated well, adjusted. quick radicalization, but few people notice. >> from george washington university, lorenzo, thank you. another story we're following comes from paris where u2 is delivering on a promise. the group is performing in the city of light tonight and tomorrow to make good on those concerts wapostponed after last month's attacks.

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oval office on national security. meanwhile, the head of the house homeland security committee just a short time ago said what he wanted to hear from the president. >> before paris, he said isis was contained. before san bernardino he said america was safe from isis was not an existential threat. he seems to want to down play this threat all throughout his campaign narrative into his presidency, and i think the american people deserve to know what the truth really is and we also want to hear from him a military strategy to defeat and destroy isis, drain the swamp so the swamp from syria can't come into the united states and san bernardino is an example of the swamp coming to the united states. >> i'd like to bring in msnbc analyst and author of "the center holds: obama and his enemies" jonathan alter and "washington post" correspondent paul singer.

jonathan, you have had access to the president aes 's inner circ. what can you tell us about the timing of this speech four days after the attacks in san bernardino? >> well, it was clear that the president had to address the nation on this. there are too many loose ends that haven't been pulled together and he needs to explain to the public what his strategy is for combatting isis and for moving forward in that region and at home. the amazing thing is it has been five years since he delivered an oval office address to the american public, and that's because he doesn't really think it's his best, most effective venue for speaking. he prefers speaking to a joint session of join or a press conference or other ways of addressing the public, but this is one that calls for an oval office address, and he needs to i think not just outline a strategy, but explain that we

cannot be terrorized and will not be terrorized by these folks. >> jonathan, do you have any sense do the people in his inner circle feel he has not been strong enough in his message? >> yes, i think there was a clear sense in his inner circle. i talked to somebody very close to him just last week that after the paris attacks, when he was abroad, remember he was in turkey and he had a press conference, and he was a little tone deaf in that press conference, and he was not -- he was a little peevish and he was not really addressing the issues, and they were looking for an opportunity for a kind of do-over and they got it in the last couple weeks. he has addressed the public in a more assertive way recently, but not in a prime time address. so he clearly needs to kind of pull everything together, do this, and most important explain as he said it's not an existential threat. maybe that word existential is

too highfalutin, but he has to explain this will not destroy the united states, this will not undermine our values. we will not be intimidated by these people. and that will be a strong message you'll hear. >> and certainly speaking from the oval office is about as powerful of a mess an as you can get from the president of the united states at any point. paul, what do you think we will hear? what do you want to hear? >> i think jonathan is right. part of what the president has to do here is project a sense that we are in some control, that the american people don't need to panic, that the government does understand the problem and has some strategy for addressing the problem. i think what you're seeing and hearing amongst the american people is a great deal of just genuine fear. we don't know who these people are, we don't know where they come from, we don't know that the government is doing anything to really fix the problem. and i think that is something that the president really needs to get a grip on and to give people a sense that somebody adult is in charge and is able

to make some sort of difference. that's going to be the key issue, what can obama say tonight that gives the american people a sense that we are able to make a difference and protect you when you go to the mall or when you go to the movies? that's the thing he needs to get to. >> do you think, paul, that given that this president is speaking to every single citizen in this country, he's going to stay away from the gun control issue because it's so polarizing? >> no, i would not be at all surprised if he says congress needs to pass more gun control. he has been very clear on a couple of provisions particularly, expanding background checks and this so-called terrorist no-fly list where people should not be able to own guns if you're on that list. i would not be surprised to see obama say we need to get to these things and congress has to do some of these things or we'll do some other stuff ourselves. >> jonathan, 15, 20 seconds, do you agree, gun control? >> i agree. i think he believes, he said he thinks its insane that people who are on a no-fly list and we don't allow on airplanes we

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