on american islamic relations, talking about donald trump and the news we just reported a moment ago, trump calling for all muslims to be forbidden from entering the united states. the council on islamic american relations, telling us, donald trump sounds like the leader of a mob, not the leader of a great nation like ours. he's doing the work of isis. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" begins right now. if it's monday, and as president obama tries to calm the country's fears over isis and terrorism, the republican party's front-runner for 2016, donald trump, wants a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the u.s. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.

>> and we start with donald trump saying that it's time to block all muslims from entering the united states. in a statement within the last hour, trump justified this severe proposal, saying, quote, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. but the extreme rhetoric that servesas trump's hallmark may be wearing on voters. he just tweeted. just put out a very important policy statement on the extraordinary influx of hatred and danger coming into our country. our new msnbc telemundo maris poll said that 58% of americans say they think donald trump is hurting the republican party's image. only 24% believe that he's helping it. and when matched up against democratic front-runner hillary clinton, trump loses to her in our poll by 11 points.

however, trump does get high marks from republican leaning voters who believe that he is the best candidate to handle terror. but also, according to our new poll and we should note, this was taken after the paris attack and during the colorado shooting, but critically, before san bernardino. according to this poll, americans are split on whether that is their biggest worry right now. many americans say their minds are on gun violence. again, that was before san bernardino at least. trump is not an advocate for gun regulation. katy tur is live on the phone in mt. pleasant, south carolina. she's been traveling with trump. he seems to be calling not just for an end -- if i'm reading this right, not just for an end to the immigration of muslims to the united states, but a complete ban on anyone who is a muslim coming into the country at any time for any reason. have you learned more about the proposal? this really seemed to coming out of the blue in the last hour.

>> this did definitely come out of the blue. his campaign manager and the associated press, it means a ban to any muslim coming in even on a tourist visa. he's not saying no muslims can emigrate here, he's saying no muslims can enter the country. unclear what he would do if anything with the muslims that are here in this country. i think the next question would be, would you want to deport them as well as the undocumented immigrants that he's called for deporting? that would be the next logical step in this already very extreme and very hard-line rhetoric. we've seen him really evolve as a candidate. some might say devolve as a candidate. becoming more hard-lined, more extreme, more to the right, and more black and white. calling for muslims -- for there fb a database, then surveilling muslims and shutting down mosques, now a total ban on them

emigrating. so for a lot of us covering this campaign, we all just got the e-mail blast from the campaign at the same time, that he's calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the u.s. in the statement, he also invokes shari'a law, saying that muslims in america should have the choice of being governed by shari'a law and that it poses unbelievable harm to americans, especially women. he invoked the idea that there's a lot of hatred towards americans from the islamic people. and he's using that to justify what he thinks is unnecessary steps to stop terrorists from entering this country and to protect americans. an interesting thing in the poll that we released today, you mentioned that 60% of republicans are saying compared to on gun violence, they believe

terrorism is their biggest concern, that they're most concerned they'll be victim of a terrorist attack. and when you see donald trump really seizing on that idea of being very black and white when it comes to how he would approach terrorists, saying that he would bomb the hell out of isis, and bring back water-boarding, saying how he would restore the patriot act and he would be stronger than everyone else, when everyone else has been weak so far. this sis a black and white issu for him, there's no diplomacy. and his supporters are really responding to that so far. >> katy tur in south carolina, traveling with donald trump. thank you for that. let's bring in our panel. mckay hopkins, writer for buzzfeed. haden a reporter frr the "wall street journal" and nbc news political reporter perry bacon joins me from washington. perry, let me start with you. some people have pointed out, there are two new polls from iowa, one has good news for donald trump.

one earlier today put him behind ted cruz in iowa. first time he fell behind ted cruz. there were some suggestions out there, that this is donald trump who obviously we know, very responsive to polling. is it plausible that he saw that poll and said, i need to do something extreme here to get those numbers back up? >> it is possible. how extreme this is, the u.s. does not have tests of religion or any other kind in which you can enter the country. we were talking about barring refugees from syria. he's talking about any muslim person from any country in the world, who could not come to the u.s. this is a really broad and even for donald trump, kind of surprising proposal. i want to talk about, first of all, and yet it comes after a night in which the president on sunday night talked about the fact that it was important in his view not to pile on and attack muslims and look at

muslims as being part of the country. now you see donald trump's statement like this, which goes in the opposite direction, saying we're going to bar all muslim immigrants. the question going forward, how do the other republican candidates deal with something like this? where you've seen, the polls shows a lot of weariness about islam and muslims, it's the kind of view that may tnot be helpfu in a general election. >> as we say, from a practical standpoint, if you want to take this policy at face value, it raises a lot of questions and "the new york times" just talked to an immigration specialist who can't recall any president denying entry into the country based on religion. but looking inside the republican party, tell us, this is what you've written about. who is he talking to here? these voters he's going after with a message like this, who

are they and what are they responding to? >> this is one of the stories that the republican party, that's told the story of the republican party for the last few years. donald trump laid the ground work for his political rise with birther conspiracy theories. it was a far right, fever swamp idea that very few people believed in. he popularized it. now donald trump is running and he's realized that there's an entire right-wing apparatus and media eco-system on the right that incentivizes the kind of outlandish things that he put out today, and spreads them and doesn't punish any candidate for saying things like this. it's entirely outside the gop establishment. i saw bill crystal tweeted something just now that trump's statement wreaks of desperation. but every time he says something like this, he goes up in the polls.

>> his fellow candidates right now, how are they going to respond to this? are they going to say, i can't attack him on that, because then i'm part of the pc police? >> yes, that's the big question. i think it depends on whether the candidates are catering to the traditional old guard establishment, rubio, jeb bush, they will push back against this, my guess. but if you're ted cruz, you're not going to push back against this, because your entire like base of support is in this right-wing kind of fringe establishment, this counterestablishment and you're relying on that for your popularity. so i can't imagine that ted cruz in any meaningful way will push back against this proposal. >> and the timing on this is interesting. we had the new poll out today, and the republican party looked up after the 2012 election, and one of the things they talked about was needing to build support outside of white voters. new polling data showing that donald trump doesn't seem to be taking them in the direction of achieving that, he comes out with this.

>> i know. and that poll particularly was with hispanics who trump has also gone after. two points i wanted to make. during obama's speech yesterday, donald trump was live tweeting the whole speech. and after the speech conclusion, we said the one thing that obama doesn't say was islamic radical terrorism. that's a phrase that when i've been with senator cruz he's said over and over again. when will obama say islamic radical terrorism. so just based on that, i would not think cruz would attack trump for this. and again, with the timing, i received this statement, this two-paragraph statement. about half an hour ago. there's no precedent for this. it's coming on the heels from a poll by monmouth university that showed that trump for the first time was not in that caucus state, that senator cruz had surpassed him. so i think the timing is

something people need to think about and analyze. i don't think this was accidental. >> and perry too, i'm wondering too, not just within the republican party, but obviously from the media, from the left, from the democratic party, there's going to be widespread outrage of donald trump, but politically speaking, this plays into his hand, doesn't it? >> yeah, "the new york times" did a great story on saturday or sunday, talking about, donald trump is setting new records as far as demagoging and comments that border on if not are outright racist. so he's really made some controversial remarks in this campaign. i do think this kind of barring certain people from the country, will be among the most notable of them. i think you're right, you've seen in the polls he's able to say whatever he wants to say, and it's not affected him. the polls suggest that people do don't want immigrants in the country and want to deport more immigrants are trump's biggest

supporters. so does it affect his support level among his core base? no, i don't think it does. and ultimately, if he's the republican nominee, big problems there. >> stay with me. we're going to keep an eye on this and all the reaction to it. but right now, we want to tell you that homeland security secretary jeh johnson is speaking to the press following a roundtable discussion with a virginia area muslim group. >> my message today is this. in responding to this new environment, we must not vilify american muslims. we must not throw a net of suspicion over american muslims and an entire religion. we must not force american muslims to run and hide and retreat to the shadows. this would be counter to our homeland security efforts, and

it is unamerican. now, more than ever, it is time to work together to protect and defend our communities, our families, and our homeland. the reality is that there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. it is the second largest religion in the world behind christianity. one in four people on this planet are muslim. within the muslim faith, which spreads across every continent of this planet are sects as diverse as christianity. within this country alone, there are about three million muslims, including african americans, egyptian americans, syrian americans, and many others of different races and skin colors. the overwhelming -- overwhelming -- majority of american muslims and muslims

worldwide are men, women, and children of peace, who seek to live their lives in peace and want nothing to do with terrorism. anyone who does not understand that does not understand islam. the very essence of the islamic faith is peace. the standard greeting is peace be upon you. the principal victims of the islamic state and al qaeda are muslims. the four million men, women, and children, who have left their homes in syria, as refugees are fleeing the very same terrorism and violence that we are concerned about. i hope you know that as long as i'm secretary of homeland security, i will continue to speak out against the

discrimination, vilification, and isolation that american muslims face in these challenging times. now i have an ask. it is an ask of the people in this room and all muslims across this country. terrorist organizations overseas have targeted your communities. they seek to pull your youth into the pit of violent extremism. help us to help you stop this. if you see something, say something. this is more than a slogan. if you see someone turning toward violence, say something. say something to law enforcement. or to one of you in your community, or your religious leaders. when people self-radicalize, someone close to them is almost always in a position to see the

signs. help us to help you, amplify your message about the true meaning of islam as a religion of peace. help us help you warn young people about the barbaric, oppressive, and dangerous nature of isil, and the danger of traveling to a place like syria. encourage your youth to challenge their peers. encourage your youth that if they see someone attracted to isil's message, they tell them that there's a better way to change the world without violence. most of all, do not become bitter. do not lose faith. have faith in this country. over and over again in the life of this nation, there have been classes of people who, by virtue of their race, religion, or nationality, exist on the margins of society, who are the object of prejudice, scorn, and

suspicion, and who seek to win acceptance. it is also the tradition of this great nation that ultimately those who once existed on the margins of society become part of the fabric of our society. in 1949, during the mccarthy era, the red scare, my own grandfather was called upon to testify before the house on american activities committee, to deny that he was a member of the communist party, and to defend the patriotism of african americans. today his grandson is responsible for the homeland security of this entire nation. one month before my grandfather died in 1956, and this was in the era of jim crow, the segregated south, before the civil rights movement, he said something that i believe today. quote, bitterness grows out of

hopelessness and there is no hopelessness in this situation. however uncomfortable and menacing it may be at times, faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of this nation as a whole, has always been stronger than the impulse to despair. thank you again. thank you to the adam center for welcoming me back. as i said before, now, more than ever, it is time to work together, build bridges, and pursue a more perfect union. thank you. [ applause ] >> that is homeland security secretary jeh johnson, talking to a group of muslim americans in northern virginia. the timing on this really of that event and what we've been talking about at the top of this show, really striking. jeh johnson warning against the

discrimination, vilification, and isolation that american muslims face in this difficult time as he's making that statement, though, we are talking about donald trump, the republican front-runner for president, putting out a statement of his own. saying and he points to what he says is polling data that shows muslims around the world, many muslims around the world, he says, believe in the idea of jihad. he says without looking at the various polling data. these are donald trump's words here. it is obvious to anyone that hatred is beyond comprehension. until we're able to understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people who believe only in jihad and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. if i win the election for president, we are going to make america great again. that's a statement from donald trump just in the last hour, calling for a complete stop to allowing any muslims into the

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>> we've heard from homeland security secretary jeh johnson taking questions at a roundtable with muslims outside of washington, d.c. he emphasized the importance of muslim communities in preventing extremism here in the united states, a message the president also relayed in his address last night. all of this coming as donald trump has just in the last hour, put out a rather startling statement, saying, quote, our country cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. trump calling for an immediate end to muslims being allowed to

enter the united states. the president's bottom line message last night in his speech, though, was that freedom is greater than fear. that is not necessarily hitting home to an anxious american public, though. while the san bernardino attack may have americans split as to their fears of violence, they are afraid nonetheless. our new msnbc telemundo maris poll which was conducted after the paris attacks and partially after the planned parenthood shooting, but before the san bernardino shooting, that poll finds that 36% of americans say they worry most about a terrorist attack. 31% say their bigger worry is gun violence in general. another 17% say they're most worried about police brutality. again, that was conducted before san bernardino. now, to be sure, there are serious political and demographic divides within these numbers, but the investigation into the san bernardino suspects seems likely to put americans on even more edge. the fbi's latest assessment this

afternoon offered some chilling information. >> as the investigation has progressed, we have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and have been for quite some time. we do have evidence that both of these subjects did some -- participated in target practice in some ranges within the metro area, or within the los angeles area. that target practice on one occasion was done within days of this event. >> i'm joined now by nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, co-founder of flash point laith alkhouri. laith, i want to start with you on this trump comment, this trump call for an end to muslims entering the united states. you were starting to make a comment off the air that i thought was interesting about

the effect a proposal like this you think has on the muslim world. >> i think it has actually a massive effect on the muslim world. we're already seeing a lot of muslims discussing this. but i think the bigger picture is that marginalization of muslims, even the idea of it is maxization of isis goals, so they can recruit them, you're in the west, they're not treating us well. or come join us in the land of the caliphate where you are protected. this is something very serious. we're seeing how isis and its supporters are playing into this and trying to capitalize on this. >> richard, i had a mini focus group of sorts during the president's speech. there were six americans across the political spectrum. one of the questions i asked them, do you think there will be another paris or san bernardino style attack in the united states within the next six months. all of them raised their hands. now we have the news that both killers were radicalized.

>> is that really a surprise? they were both in the back of a car shooting at people and just massacred 14 people. >> seems like news like that will only feed that reaction that i got from that room last night. >> well, i think it is possible that we could have another attack. and this last attack could have been a lot worse as well had these two killers been more professional, i would say, in their act of terrorism, had they chosen their target more efficiently, had they made better bombs, had they brought their ammunition along with them. it could have been worse. i hope it doesn't happen, but i think we could easily have another attack in europe or in the united states. by the way, i agree with laith's comments. marginalizing the whole muslim community only makes that kind of attack more likely. these people were radicalized. i don't think there's any big revelation today that they were radicalized. we pretty much knew that already. but by forcing people into a

corner, you're going to radicalize more. what does it even mean? are you supposed to have them show up at an airport and put an m on their jacket? >> how do you test for religion? >> that's what isis does, by the way. when the attackers went into the hotel in mali just recently, bam ako, before they executed people, they asked them, are you muslim? and they asked them to prove it. at airports, are we going to ask people to prove they're not muslim? >> when donald trump does appear before the press, obviously one of the many questions he'll be asked, about the practicality. >> there are plenty of people who come from middle eastern countries who are not muslim. are we going to have a quiz at the airport about their faith? >> lorenzo, i want to bring you in. listening to the comments from jeh johnson, one of the things, he was addressing the american muslim community. he was saying that when somebody

self-radicalizes, the signs are there. it is possible for the people in their lives to see this, to recognize this. so many times it feels like, in these news stories, we hear, nobody ever knew, nobody saw it coming. is that true, are the signs always there? >> it depends on case to case. i think in many cases indeed there are certain signs. what happened, there's been sort of a polarization between parts of the muslim community and the law enforcement community here in the states with a lack of trust between the two. and in many cases parents or relatives or friends see signs of radicalization, but they are reluctant to go to the fbi and report those cases. lot of people would argue and remember the summit that the white house organized last february. the deal creating middle men, have religious leaders as middle men, people are less likely to report a case their sibling or

son radicalizing. they might go to a municipality, to a religious leader or authority. there needs to be a system. because the fbi, law enforcement cannot do everything. we cannot arrest our way out of this problem. it needs to be some kind of a system where you get a larger group of people, amongst the communities, religious leaders, many organizations that would have to do this kind of job. i would argue also the education system, schools in many cases could play a role there. lack of trust between the fbi and the counterterrorism community in general, and some muslim organizations and the muslim communities at large, i think has been very problematic for counterterrorism activity. >> practically, i understand what the secretary's saying, but when you look at it, police your own. turn people in, report suspicious activity to the authorities. does that create a culture within the muslim world and the united states that is realistic

to expect? >> i think it makes people feel like they're being watched and scrutinized, that they're all terrorists, they should be spying on each other. that's the worst kind of jingoism that you can have in a free society. that's terrible. but to your other question, are the signs usually there when people are radicalized? sure. i think sometimes the diaspora communities don't know what it's like to be a muslim in the muslim world. you know, this -- the woman relatives who were saying, well, we just thought she was shy. they never saw her face. she wore her fail all the time inside the home. that's not normal. that's not normal in saudi arabia. but if they don't have a sense of what is acceptable and the baseline of beliefs, even back home, then i think perhaps they don't recognize. but we also need to hear more from the islamic world itself, you know, to establish some sort

of norm, say, listen, this is going too far. but we haven't really heard that and we're not going to hear much. >> that point that the president was making last night and some people felt on this issue, of course the criticism from the right so often is he won't use the term radical islamic terrorism, some variation of that. he didn't really do that, but a lot of people felt he did go farther in addressing that subject than he has before. and he called on the muslim community to step up more. what specifically, though, needs to happen? what needs to come from that community? >> look, i think we've heard before officials say we have got amazing tips from the muslim community before. there's been a lot of different cases where muslims went to the authorities and said, we suspect a, b, and c is happening. check it out. but when we hear rhetoric like this from donald trump and other rightists, i would say, in the government, or running for president for that matter, when they try to marginalize muslims,

you may have muslims now saying, i don't know if i want to trust the government anymore. i think i would rather stick with my muslim brethren and not question their beliefs, but actually question the intentions of some rightist politicians. >> thank you all for joining us. appreciate it. still ahead on "mtp daily," the demonstration's strategy on combatting isis, we'll also ask about donald trump's new proposal. but first, morgan brennan has the cnbc mark wrap. >> stocks fell across the board. the s&p shedding 14 and the nasdaq ending down 40 points. another tough session for crude oil, fell more than 5%, closing the lowest since february of 2009. the selling dragged down exxon mobil and chevron. but shares in green mountain from keurig surged more than 70% today. the firm is being taken private.

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if we're to succeed in defeating terrorists, we must enlist muslim communities as some of our strongest allies. that does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some muslim communities. it's a real problem that muslims must confront without excuse. >> that was president obama last night emphasizing that american muslims need to do more to root out extremism that may take hold in their communities. that speech last night, though, was before donald trump just this afternoon called for a ban on all muslims traveling to the united states. and already trump's republican rivals are beginning to respond. jeb bush tweeting just minutes ago, donald trump is unhinged.

his policy proposals are not serious. lindsey graham saying donald trump has gone from making absurd comments to being down right dangerous with his bombastic rhetoric. and kasich saying this is just more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath and another reason why he's entirely unsuited to lead the united states. martin o'malley and bernie sanders also joining in the condemnation and white house press secretary josh earnest joins me now. i have to start on this proposal from donald trump. he appears to be calling for an outright travel ban on all muslims worldwide from entering the united states for any reason. what is your reaction to that? >> well, steve, i think first you're being generous by describing it as a proposal. i think what mr. trump is doing is something that he's been doing over the course of his entire campaign, which is seeking to tap into a darker

side, a darker element and try to play on people's fears in order to build on support for his campaign. he's doing it in a way that singles people out based on their religion. that's entirely inconsistent. not just with the constitution and not just what the vast majority of americans think, it's entirely inconsistent with the kinds of values that were central to the founding of this country. and it's quite disappointing and it's, you know, certainly runs contrary to the strategy that the president laid out last night, that not only is it contrary to our values, but if we actually want to have a comprehensive strategy for combatting extremist elements in the muslim community, then we actually need to work with the muslim community, work with muslim leaders to root out those voices and to root out that messaging, but also to help insulate those who are vulnerable to being radicalized from being taken over by this kind of extremist ideology that

isis is working so hard to propagate. >> i'm wondering too, do you think politically he's trying to bait you, trying to bait the president, trying to bait the administration into getting into some kind of fight with him over this issue? and i wonder if he's done this before throughout the campaign, where he can then turn to the base of his party and say, look, i'm standing up against the white house, i'm fighting their politically correct agenda. is he trying to bait you into a fight here? >> i have no idea what he's doing. i think what he's doing, he's dividing america in a really cynical way. and i continue to have confidence in the american people, i think the president does too, that ultimately playing on divisive rhetoric and trying to mobilize support for his campaign, you know, may show some short-term benefits in the polls, but over the long-term, it doesn't serve the country well, and you know, we'll have to see what impact it has on his campaign. >> i want to turn to a couple

questions about the president's speech last night and this is why we wanted to talk to you. in the last segment, the president said muslims in the united states must confront without excuse extremism within their own community. who is what specifically is he talking about there? >> well, i think the president's simply making the case that the muslim community, particularly leaders in the muslim community, have an important role, have a responsibility to essentially root out these dark extremist forces that are trying to make inroads into their community. and certainly the united states government and other leaders in our country will assist them. but no one will be more effective, no one has more credibility inside those communities than muslim leaders themselves. so they have a responsibility not just to try to prevent, of course, violent acts of terrorism, but also to speak out against other extremist views and ideology that sometimes is

propagated by extremists. some of that ideology is misogynist, some of that ideology is otherwise divisive and undermines the kind of values that are so broadly defended in this country, including by the thousands of american muslims that serve in our military and wear our uniform and defend those values and put their life on the line for those values every single day. >> i want to ask you about some of the criticism in the speech last night, the president saying he believes isis is something that can be destroyed, that is something that we will ultimately defeat. he laid out his four-point plan for kpraconfronting isis. i took a look and i've heard people say, these are points we've heard him make over the last year and a half. what do you say to people who say, he's still pursuing the same strategy he's been talking about for a year or two years

now. the difference is, we've had an attack on american soil now, and there's no change in strategy. what new does he have to offer to people? >> well, steve, i think the first thing i would observe is, we're in a place right now where you hear republicans actually accuse the president regularly of not having a strategy. so in some ways, washington pundits need to decide what the criticism is and we can confront it. >> he talked about supporting local forces, getting an authorization for military force through congress. we've heard him say all these things for the last year or two. we just had an attack on american soil in san bernardino, shouldn't there be something new to add to that, or are we still in the process of destroying isis with the same strategy? >> we are in the process of continually refining elements of our strategy that are yielding progress. one of the things we've done, in

the last month, the president announced we are going to increase the amount of assistance that we're providing to forces that are operating on the ground. we have seen those forces succeed in driving isil out of 25% of the territory they previously controlled. that's important progress. we'll continue taking strikes at isil leaders and just today, the department of defense confirmed the isil leader in libya was killed and taken off the battlefield. just three weeks ago, the department of defense confirmed that probably the highest profile isil leader, this jihadi john, who tried to promote himself online by appearing in the grotesque execution videos, he had been killed by a u.s. air strike. so there is some progress we're making there. we're also intensifying our efforts around shutting down isil's financing. republicans in congress continue to block the financial expert that the president has put forward to lead that effort, but secretary of the treasury jack lew will lead a meeting at the united nations in a couple of

weeks, to convene the international community about our strategy to shut down isil's financing. the president announced we'll put special operations inside syria for the forces on the ground. so we're constantly looking for ways to intensify parts of our strategy that are yielding progress, but it will require sustained commitment. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate that. stay with us. we are going to have much more on donald trump's call to block muslims from entering the united states. we will have some exclusive new sound from ted cruz. stay tuned.

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back with more now on donald trump calling for a ban on all muslims entering the united states. in a statement last hour, trump justified this severe proposal, saying, quote, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. and now an nbc exclusive, we have fresh reaction to trump's proposal from his rival, senator ted cruz. >> listen, i don't believe that most americans are using language against muslim americans. we're using language against radical islamic terrorists. >> donald trump is using language -- >> i'm going to focus on the language i use. i've made it a point repeatedly to praise muslim leaders, people like president el sisi in egypt.

>> katy tur is with the trump campaign in south carolina and hallie jackson is live in greenville. hallie, i got to go to you first on the ted cruz cruz reaction. that is striking because we are watching the reaction pour. in john kasich, jeb bush, lindsey graham condemning in no uncertain terms what donald trump is saying here. put a camera in front of ted cruz, he doesn't want to touch it. >> i don't know that that's necessarily the case. he was asked about it not just inside his greenville campaign office here. we talked about it with him a couple of minutes ago. i specifically tried to get him nailed down here on whether or not he supports this policy, this idea of refusing to allow any muslims into the u.s., including tourists. i want you to listen. this is his exact response to us. all right. i'm going to read you.

i said this is your policy? he said no, that is not my policy. he said i believe the focus should be on radical islamic terrorism. cruz turned to what he made a central part of his candidacy is the need to fight radical islamic terrorism. you heard in that sound byte earlier, donald trump is not just talking about radical elements of islam. he's talking about all muslims entering this country. from the campaign trail, this is not something donald trump often says things other candidates get asked about. other candidates don't necessarily like being asked about everything donald trump says. we heard other candidates say things like if i had to spend all my campaign responding to things trump said, it would consume my candidacy. given you have the republican front-runner says he would should the united states borders to all muslims, it is a fair question to ask others looking to seek position of commander in

chief. >> katy tur is with donald trump. as we talked to you at the top of the hour, reaction from trump's rivals. jeb bush calling him unhinged. ted cruz saying he does not support the policy, but we are not hearing the same condemnation from him. do you get the sense the trump campaign is ready for this? >> i think of all the candidates out there he will be the softest in his words on this potential ban donald trump wants to put in place. the trump campaign didn't give any hint they would put this out. the campaign manager told the asorted press that includes everybody, including tourists coming into this country and his spokesperson said that also includes american citizens. unclear if that's american citizens coming back into the country or if that is calling

for deportation of all muslims in america. there are about 3 million muslims in this country. i'm not sure how he would get that done. that especially on top of the deportation of all the undocumented immigrants that he wants to come into this country, so far that is what the donald trump campaign is saying. his supporters are saying they like it. they believe it is the right thing to do. it is the wise decision. from the ones we spoke with here, they said no comment but they would still support donald trump. we expect to hear much more on this from him coming up in just a couple of hours when he takes the stage here. >> that is a new twist saying this also applies to all american citizens, trying to figure out what that means. katy tur, hallie jackson, thank you for joining us. martin o'malley is going to join us to react live to donald trump's call for a ban on

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just over 90 minutes ago, donald trump said it is time to block all muslims from entering the united states. in his statement, trump justified the severe proposal saying, "our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people who believe only in jihad." joining me by phone is democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley.

governor, we heard all the candidates start to weigh in on this. your thoughts. >> i think this is the sort of fascist demagoguery every responsible citizen in the united states has the responsibility to speak out against. this sort of language and the context of a presidential campaign, of all things, plays right into the hands of isil. this is exactly the sort of behavior from unscrupulous politicians that is bad for our country's security. it's bad for the fabric of america and it does damage to the very values that we need to hold tight in order to confront this threat. i just find this language absolutely appalling. who is he going to start with? start with muslim americans in our armed forces? they can't come home? who is he talking about? engineers that do business abroad? it's just outrageous behavior.

it is the sort of demagoguery that oftentimes precedes fascism. all of us have the responsibility to speak out against it. >> democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley, thank you for joining us. we'll go back to our panel. let me ask you in the short time we have, does anybody think -- we are saying does this stop the trump tide. does anybody think he pay as price for this? >> i don't think so. we've seen of the people at his rally today in south carolina, people like it. he's gotten bumps of support after making these kind of outrageous comments in the past. i wouldn't think this would be any different. >> the problem is we're talking about it here, we have to talk about it, it's our job to hold candidates accountable, but every time, every word that is said with donald trump's latest provocation, every headline, every negative, every fact check only reenforces his message that he's crusading against the evil

media liberal elites. i think this will help him. i don't know how to stop that. >> we have condemnations from lindsey graham, jeb bush, their poll numbers, you add them together, they are a fraction of what donald trump's poll numbers are right now thank you all for joining us. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." erica hill picks up our coverage now. leading this hour of msnbc live, not the end of the problem, but the beginning of the solution. chicago's mayor makes a promise to the public after the feds launch a probe into the city's police practices. also tonight, chilling new details about the san bernardino shooters and how they were radicalized. the fbi now shifting its investigation in response. breaking news from the 2016 trail. donald trump, never one to hold his tongue. his latest comments have some