people have more time for the family and it's been one of the most rewarding experiences to hear people saying: "the metro has really changed my life." guy. >> amen. okay. >> we have a problem in this country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he's not even american. but anyway we have training camps, really, wanting to kill

us. that's my question. >> we'll be looking at a lot of different things. a lot of people are saying that. a lot of people are saying bad things are happening out there. we'll be looking at that and plenty of other things. well, good morning, it's tuesday -- >> what one of those things was. >> december 8th. welcome to "morning joe." with us this morning we have former communications director for -- >> how is your dad doing? >> she's taking the easy route. >> we started out talking about donald trump. i think that we were all wondering if there was a line that he could cross that would start to make people open to other candidates i think he may have made people open to ted

cruz. >> we're going to see and well get around the table. >> we have pulitzer prize winning columnist, an msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. and managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin with us as well. so let's get right to it. >> donald trump is calling for a ban on muslims entering the united states of america. trump made the proposal in a statement released late yesterday afternoon to last until quote our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. when asked if muslim-american citizens currently abroad would be included mr. trump says everyone. the "new york times" lead story calls it quote an unprecedented proposal by a leading american presidential candidate and an idea more typically associated with hate groups. last night, the billionaire businessman described his proposal as reaction to president obama's speech on isis and the san bernardino terror

attack. >> i watched last night and i watched the president truly that didn't know what he was doing. he didn't -- he didn't know why he was there. he refuses to use the term "radical islamic terrorism." he refuses to use the term. i on the even know if he knows what the hell is going on. i don't. last night we all saw and witnessed something that i thought was highly inappropriate. in fact, i tweeted, is that all there is? about the president's speech. and i wrote something today that i think is very, very salient, very important and probably not politically correct but i don't care. you know -- [ applause ] -- we had a situation in california very recently where somebody was making bombs in an apartment, the mother saw them,

the mother didn't notice anything wrong. i watched the sister being interviewed, believe me in my opinion, she was lying like crazy, i watched that interview. oh, my brother was such a wonderful guy. didn't know. i didn't know. i didn't know. and i watched the next door neighbor saying oh, well we didn't report them because we didn't want to racially profile or we didn't want to profile. give me a break. give me a break. we're like the stupid country in so many different ways. can you imagine what our great leaders of the past would have said with the kind of crap that's happening with us? donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ]

we have no choice. according to pew research, among others, there's a great hatred towards americans by large segments of the muslim population. they want to change your religion. i don't think so. i don't think so. i don't think so. not going to happen. mr. trump stated, without looking at the various polling data, it's obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension of such a big portion. where the hatred comes from, and why, we'll have to determine. we're going to have to figure it out. we have to figure it out. we can't live like this. it's going to get worse and worse. you'll have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse, folks. we can be politically correct or we can be stupid but it's going to be worse and worse. >> trump's proposal was met with outrage from democrats and

republicans alike. hillary clinton call it reprehensible and prejudice and divisive. jeb bush said donald trump is unhinge. lindsey graham called the idea dangerous. bernie sanners said trump wants us to hate all muslims. john kasich denounced the divisive. marco rubio said the plan is offensive and outlandish. here's what other republican candidates and high-profile members of the party said about the proposal yesterday. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what their talking about. we do not need to resort to that type of activity, nor should we. >> unfortunately, i think donald trump's overreaction is as dangerous as president obama's underreaction. president obama isn't prepared to do anything, which is clearly foolish, but donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears and saying we're not going to let a single muslim into this country is a

dangerous overreaction. >> i think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more muslims, and just ban a whole religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in. i mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from. would you support a policy that prohibits muslims from wren terrifying this country including tourists? >> no that's not my policy. i believe the focus should focus on radical islamic terrorism. we need to be directly focused on threats to the united states. we need a commander-in-chief that perceives what the threat is and that targets all of our resources to protecting this nation against radical islamic terrorists. >> and the state party chairman of iowa, new hampshire and south carolina have also come out and condemned the proposal. matt moore the chairman of the south carolina republican party tweeted quote, trump's bad idea and rhetoric send a shiver down my spine.

new hampshire's jennifer horn wrote quote there should never be a day in the united states of america when people are excluded based solely on their rays or religion. it's is unrepublic, it is unconstitution and it is unamerican. however the co-chair of new hampshire veterans for trump respond what he's saying is no different than the situation during world war ii when period put the japanese in camps. from a military mind standpoint, all donald trump is saying is to do what needs to be done until we get a handle on how to do background checks. yeah. we want to put 120,000 people into the camp unconstitutionally. willie, when this first came out yesterday, i said okay, a republican is going to actually have the guts to come out and speak out against it. was this the line that he crossed that others wouldn't follow? we found out very quickly it was. the reaction was swift and

overwhelming. >> i was happy to see every single republican candidate dick cheney all the way down the line, democrats coming down hard on this. this is a bad day for the country when refer to the chinese exclusion act as the only precedent for something like this happening keeping a certain group of people out of the country. he also said u.s. citizens muslims traveling abroad would be included in this group. talking about keeping americans from their own country from coming back in. and this was a statement. this was not an off the cuff line he made. this was a statement he put out. when journalists followed up with his campaign they said quote, he means everyone. >> mark halperin, i was watching your show last night, and you and john at the end started talking about it and you said that this might be the time that he crossed the line finally. you and i have been together laughing at people that have been predicting his impending

doom because of one overreach or another. but, actually last night you actually came to the conclusion, okay, this may be what finally does it for donald trump, separating him from any hopes of being the mainstream republican candidate and it looks like after your statement if you look what republicans have said it looks like this has divided him from the republican party. >> you can give him every benefit of the doubt and still say that this was morally and substantively legally and politically a horrible thing to say, a horrible thing to espouse, condemn not just the united states but around the world. those who are saying this makes america less safe by saying it are accurate. he has to back down. if he doesn't or even if he does the chance he becomes president of the united states are substantially lower because of this statement. >> i don't know. >> i do think the likelihood now

of a brokered convention, of a republican party saying this man will not represent us no matter what possibly even donald trump running as an independent and helping to elect hillary clinton actually happens. i want to read -- i want to find this. hopefully i can find it. in the latest ppp poll in new hampshire they came out, they did the cross tabs that showed an overwhelming number of new hampshire voters who support donald trump. actually support a lot of his anti-muslim rhetoric and his anti-muslim policies including surveillance of mosques, shutting down mosques. why don't we go and play some clips from last night and i'll look for those numbers. pretty frightening. >> again, i think i guess what worries me i'm not sure this gets in the way of him winning and you have to sort of look at

the reaction and gauge it because people haven't been right about donald trump. >> the question is winning what? winning the republican -- winning the most republican delegates? yes. 20%, 30%. >> that would tell us something where the country is at. >> not any more than 35%, 40% of democrats -- hey not any more than 35% to 40% of democrats believing that george w. bush deliberately launched 9/11. we've had this discussion before. there are extremes in both wings of the party. i think it's just as offensive as 35% to 40% of democrats believe 9/11 was an inside job by george bush and dick cheney, that believe what donald trump is saying right now. i'm saying that extremism gets you through the early parts of the primaries, especially if there's 14, 15 people in the field. what it does, and donald has to

make a decision whether he'll back this up. he done like to back up things. what this does is effectively stop the republican party from allowing him to win the nomination unless he gets the delegates outright. there will be a bloodbath at the convention. they will not let him win. it will not -- mark it down. you want to know what impact this statement has unless he breaks down if there's a brokered convention the party will kill itself before they let donald trump represent themselves. >> moments after the plan was announced by trump nbc news asked some of the people attending last night's rally in south carolina what they thought about it. >> i think it's a good idea with everything going on in the world right now. it sounds harsh but reality is reality. >> i think that's a very wise decision made very prudently after due diligence and i'm impressed with the fact he's bold enough to come out and do that.

>> i have to think about it for a while. i have to think about that. >> i'm a veteran para trooper. been in two different campaigns, both iraq and afghanistan, and i've had too many brothers and sisters lost over there in those two wars to just let them come here free range in our country now. it's a kick in the face to every veteran there is that's fought in those wars to us trying to protect our homeland from them coming in. and then the current administration letting them in. >> let me read these numbers this from the latest poll. mark halperin i want you to follow up on what i said earlier. see if what your take is. 58% of trump voters in new hampshire think thousands of arabs in new jersey celebrated the attacks in 9/11. 12% who don't think it. 53% of trump supporters are in favor of the national database for muslims to 22% oppose that

concept. 49% of trump supporter want to shut down the mosques in the united states, only 18%. shut down. 49% want to shut down the mosques in the united states. to only 18% against that requested. overall only one fourth of republicans support doing that, 44% oppose it. here you have, mark, every one of these proposals proposed by the overwhelming majority of republicans and yet among trump supporters these extreme positions are supported. so, what is the long term impact? >> well, joe, i have no doubt that a lot of what trump is propose cigarette popular with some people. i don't doubt he proposed this because he believes it not because he fell behind in one iowa poll. he's responding what he thinks is right for the country. if he somehow became the republican nominee now it's almost certain that republicans

would run someone as an independent. there's just too many people in the republican party that don't want him to be their standard bearer. that would ensure hillary clinton to become president. he could become the republican nominee but this statement makes it much less likely he could ever become president of the united states. >> nicole i talked to a fundraiser in the republican party yesterday who told me without right after this announcement, if trump is the nominee i'm voting for hillary clinton and i'm giving a democrat money for the first time in my life. i talked about a democrat a couple of days scratching their head about barack obama. i heard one of the top republican contributors in america said he would give money to a democrat for the first time in his life. and vote for her if donald trump is the nominee. >> you talk to a lot of republicans. the same ones i do. could you vote for trump over hillary, could you vote for cruz.

i think after this, you will hear more and more people saying i just -- not just republican establishment people who everyone is public enemy number one but swing voters, independent voters, women who make up the largest chunk of sort of late deciding non-ideological voters, we'll hear this and think there must be another good option. laura ingraham described ted cruz as a bad boy who is slightly less dangerous. ted cruz stands to benefit enormously from this proposal yesterday. we were talking sort of under our breath about how people will respond favorably. but i think the impetus now is on his opponents to say something that speaks to their fear but isn't unamerican. >> i think you're starting to hear that yesterday from those candidates. gene robinson, a bit of good news. i'll bring the good news. an appalling idea and

ridiculous. any legal scholar says this could not happen it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny, the supreme court would strike it down, violates international law, u.s. law. we're in this moment right now. what's your take on it and long term impact? >> it's ugly. it's a vicious kind of proposal directed at a religion. although the likes of which we don't hear in american politics. people just don't say things like this for good reason. so, number one, it guarantees that no one will get to the right of donald trump on fear and loathing of islam. no one will get to the right of him on that. and given the current environment, i think nicole is right, this could -- this probably won't hurt his numbers in the short term and might give him a bit of a bump. remember, this is december. so we got a couple of weeks

until the christmas break and politics shut down and then january a mad rush to the iowa caucus. there's not a lot of time. he'll rack up some delegates in these first primaries, and then we'll see when we get to super tuesday. but we could be looking at a convention scenario, the likes of which we have not seen in many, many years because i do agree that the republican party, the party of lincoln, this makes a joke, a cruel joke of the idea of the party of lincoln. i just cannot imagine the republican party will allow donald trump to be its standard bearer. >> what scares me is that our sort of shock and for me this is for the first time i'm certainly nervous about what i'm watching to be very honest. i think he actually had really brood appe broad appeal and i mention ad

week ago he was squandering that he had a momentum whether you agreed with it or not. i think he still does. what scares me about this is that he is pretty brilliant man and knows how to tap into what people are thinking and saying. there's a vacuum for this created not just by the obama administration but the george w. bush administration. the events of the past decade have made this country ripe for these feelings and he's tapping into them. >> george w. bush as well as dick cheney and this statement we just showed, aggressively spoke out against this type of rhetoric. >> that's great. >> it is great. >> you want to go into why this vacuum exists, it's everything that's been happening in terms of foreign policy, and wars and now continued problem in syria. and isis hitting here at home. this is all not just popping up

out of nowhere. this has happened over the past two administrations. and caused by serious foreign policy blunders. >> serious foreign policy blunders by george w. bush and barack obama, but that still grants no excuse for this type of language. >> absolutely. >> i do think, though and alex told me if you're scoring at home constitutional scholars and we have a lot constitution scholars -- >> basically willie. >> tens of thousands of people right now. get your scorecards out. get your scorecards out. we'll talk about assault weapons next block. i know you'll be excited about that. but donald trump's proposal, you can mark it down, mark it first amendment, path check by that it violates the first amendment. it violates the fifth amendment at the same time. it violates the 14th amendment. check that one out. and also it violates, flip the

page over to the fourth page and this is article 6, spirit of article 6 violated in the constitution. other than that, though, it will pass constitutional muster. but anyway, so it happens. but, willie, i would not want to be the lawyer defending this occasion in front of the supreme court. >> there's no defense. that's the one glimmer of good news. it's horrifying and appalling on its face but it won't happen. >> does donald trump -- i wonder -- i don't know. i don't know. does he have a political death wish? does he want -- >> no, unfortunately. >> does he want to win? >> listen, to put this to the voters. you heard from the veteran. he has a right to speak his mind and whatever his politics are. he agrees with this.

it's incumbent on the rest of the republican field to speak to this man's desires. >> we're disconnected from america if we don't understand he's tapping into how people feel. it may be ugly, may be wrong -- >> i think political correctness, backlash of what's perceived to be extreme political correctness, that soldier did three tours in two wars feels that no one other than donald trump with his rhetoric which is way over line is speaking to their emotional, their primal desire for what their government will do for them. it's also a failure of the rest of the candidates to speak to that. >> we talked about a void from what barack obama has said or has not said, a lack of leadership. i think it's important for the republican party and its leaders to step up and do what ike did in 1957 when he went and visited actually the islamic center in washington, d.c. there needs to be -- there needs

a show of solidarity between republicans and law-abiding muslim-americans who are pursuing the american dream. >> that's the majority. >> that's the overwhelming majority. mark halperin last comment. >> watch paul ryan. he hasn't spoken out about this. i think he will but i think it will be forceful and important. >> still ahead on "morning joe" we'll get reaction of donald trump's plan from one of the leading muslim groups. also ahead, ted cruz seems to be winning over iowa. but can he shore up support outside the evangelical stronghold? nbc's hallie jackson has been covering the campaign and joins table. plus new information on the san bernardino shooting investigation, a big question this morning whether anyone else knew that the married terrorists were planning an attack? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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you know, you just have to let something sink in. >> yep. >> the new hampshire ppp poll, 49%, almost 50% of trump supporters support shutting down mosques in america. shutting them down. is this what germany looked like in 1933? i'm serious. >> people have to ask themselves that question. >> is this what germany looked like when 50% of a candidate's supporters support shutting down houses of worship for an entire religion? there's such a responsibility from conservatives, from republicans to get out there and explain why this is wrong. >> joining us now -- >> because so many people won't listen to what barack obama says

but maybe listen to what ted cruz says or what mike huckabee said yesterday on this show. >> speaking of ted cruz joining us now nbc news correspondent hallie jackson has been on the campaign trail most recently with senator ted cruz. two new polls out of field in iowa tells do different stories. monmouth university poll shows ted cruz surging into first place up 14 pints since october up 22%. donald trump is second at 19%. marco rubio at third at 17%. ben carson following 19 points from first place to 13%. >> right, there one and two will go back and forth most likely. look at ben carson, your don't recover from a 19-point drop. that is the headline. a lot of people are distracted by the top of the poll. ben carson and his elimination as a respectable candidate, that's the story. my new 19.

>> ted cruz in the krn/orc poll. donald trump is at the top followed by ted cruz. cnn used self-described likely participant which includes more people and large terrify poll the better trump performs. >> mark halperin dig through those numbers. >> look, according to the private data i've been told about cruz either ahead or close to ahead those two twice are taking up a very big percentage of the vote. while rubio is the leading establishment candidate his organization there is not as good. so, i think that you could say that trump or cruz right now is the front-runner in iowa and hard to see anyone but earth of those two guys winning. the winner of that showdown at this point is in the driver's seat i think for the nomination along with the top

establishment. >> with that, ted cruz, what are you seeing? >> you go out clearly you're seeing support's of carson go to ted cruz. he's picking carson's pocket. these are folks who saw these guys maybe in the same lane deciding between the two of them. who are your top three. most people would say cruz, carson and trump. i spoke with a guy at a south carolina event for senator ted cruz and said for a long time i've been ashamed to be a republican. he and the sense you're getting from these cruz supporters cruz is a guy who will take to it washington and be that anti-establishment -- even though he's still part of the establishment and fight and get things done. we talked about and joe you talked about this this last couple of days this anti-muslim rhetoric we're seeing in a lot of places. i asked the senator about that. he said i'll focus on my own language. he likes to talk about radical

islamic terrorism. he's very consciously not hit trump in a personal way, he has drawn distinctions on policies but this seems to be part of his broader strategy to pick up those supporters if they do leave trump which they may not. you look at the cnn poll compared to the monmouth poll these voters may turn out for trump, they may not. >> donald trump supporters are a lot stronger than ben carson but this poll is instructive how fast things can fall apart. ben carson had a bad weeking talking about foreign policy. he's down 19%. a massive drop. he was at 32 now down to 19. not like he was so impressive on foreign policy up to that point he reached a critical mass where people said to themselves i don't think he should be commander-in-chief. >> look organizationally too. events usually shape these polls and events seem to have had an impact.

is cruz benefiting from that? >> i think so. you hear him when he talks about national security and foreign policy he's very tough sounding. he wants to carpet bomb isis. he told me that yesterday. people respond to that in a way that they hadn't prior to the paris attacks. organizationally too, ted cruz spent months, eight months ever since he announced building up a strong ground team in these early states not just iowa. they had their eye on the long term ball since the moment they got in this race and you're seeing the fruits of this labor. >> that's one of the things we don't talk about enough on in the media. we certainly talk about it but others don't. that's the ground game. and, again, marco rubio, well-liked by a lot of people in the media, establishment republicans, but there's a question about that ground game in iowa. >> the ground game and also delegates. those two are connected. cruz put people in referee i congressional district in the early states in every part of

the first four states that vote and he's got the money. you know one of the other things about rubio is he's not doing gang busters in fundraising, cruz is. that means if there's a showdown between those two guys and maybe a third candidate the guy that has the money going into march will have a big advantage and right now that's ted cruz. >> former senate majority leader and republican presidential nominee bob dole is weighing in on the state of the 2016 race in a new interview with andrea mitchell. here's what dole had to say about the surging ted cruz. >> could you support ted cruz when he ends up with the nomination? >> well, i would -- i might over sleep that day. >> just somehow not get to the polls. >> used to make these speeches. remember president dole. remember president mccain. remember president romney. the inference we're all a bunch of liberals and only he is the

true conservative. and he uses the word conservative more than he ever uses the word republican. so it would be -- it would be difficult. >> might over sleep that day. >> you can see that interview in its entirety on andrea mitchell reports at 12:00 eastern. >> a lot of people feel that way. george bush doesn't speak ill of too many people and definitely not in public in front of fundraisers and he expressed earlier this year his feelings. ted cruz sim men'sly talented and intensely disliked. he's sort of the -- >> you go talk to people on the ground they love him. he can shake a hand and look you in the eye. they love him. >> it's not up to, you know, the establishment. >> hallie jackson thank you so much. coming up the supreme court declines to hear a challenge to cities and states that ban assault weapons. we're going to talk about that

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a moment. there's new -- >> was it hard getting on set? getting up fifth avenue past trump tower? >> i'm very lucky i managed to get back in the country before they closed the gates. >> that's what you said coming on set. >> oh, my god. >> all right. so before we talk about anything else we got talk to you as an american about how you feel this morning not as a muslim, as an american. how do you feel this morning? >> in all serious. >> take off the reporter hat. >> i don't know if i can do that to be honest. one of the points that was made that was more interesting was about american veteran who served in iraq and afghanistan and had lost a lot of american lives and what i would really say to him if he knew there were american-muslim soldiers fight ago long side him in the marines and muslim officials at work in all of the law enforcement agencies in the military, in

intelligence, and ask him and ask donald trump and ask all of these folks what do you want to do to them? if you get rid of them you'll be making this country less safe. if you're asking muslims who serve in the intelligence community, muslims who are analysts at the cia, muslims who play important roles in our diplomatic core, our marines, get rid of them -- >> and muslims who have given their lives fighting isis across the world arc lot more muslims have been killed by isis than christians. >> we have muslims on the front lines on the war on terrorism. i would like to hear from donald trump and everyone else, are they not serving this country as everybody else? >> and this is not -- i'm about as tough on barack obama's lack of response to paris as anybody. i believe we need to go and wipe occupant isis. this assistant feel good piece. i only care about law enforcement. i care about getting the bad guys, capturing them or killing

them. i want you to be blunt with me. can we win the war against isis without our muslim allies side-by-side fighting with us and helping us? >> in my estimation, absolutely not. we need that coalition of people that understand, you know, the isis mentality that can say things that will resonate to those people and get them to turn the other way. we absolutely need support from our muslim partners. >> we hear a lot about community policing in new york and across the country. it only works when you have community policing. can you explain how critical it is to keep muslims who are american citizens engaged in this fight and feel like they have a stake in reporting when they see something going amiss. >> absolutely. we hear the saying if you see something say something. right? the people that are closest to being able to see something and

then say something are the friends, the family, the people in that community. so it's absolutely critical that we have the trust and support and the connection. >> this morning we're learning new details about the couple that carried out that deadly san bernardino attack. according to the "new york times" the fbi is now leaning away from the idea that the wife radicalized the husband. agents believe he was already down the path of jihad when he married her. we've also learned that employees of san bernardino county's environmental health services division underwent active shooter training last year in the same room as the attack. the "l.a. times" reports it's unclear if the gunman syed rizwan farook attended that training. stephanie gosk is following the latest on the san bernardino attack and has more on the investigation. >> reporter: a photo taken at chicago's o'hare airport showing tashfeen malik arriving in the u.s. for the first time in 2014.

syed rizwan farook at her side. >> both subjects were radicalized and have been for quite some time. >> reporter: the fbi confirms the couple practiced their shooting skills just days before killing 14 and wounding 21. nbc news has learned that syed rizwan farook was at the magazine number range in riverside as recently as sunday and monday of last week. a source closely tied to the range said he was there for hours and was a pretty good shot. the range turned over surveillance footage to the fbi in the hours after the attack. investigators say they are meticulously trying to recreate the shooting inside the inland regional center. >> do you have any sense who was in control during the attack? did tashfeen fire the first shot? >> we don't have any sense who was in control. >> reporter: his father made no comment after telling an italian newspaper saying his son was obsessed with israel and shared the same ideology as isis leader

bag bag. syed rizwan farook's mother was questioned by the fbi for hours after the rampage. lawyers for the family said she lived in the same rented house and helped take care of the baby. >> the mother stayed to herself. i think she stayed upstairs and so she would have been separate and not really known much about what was taking place in the rest of the house. >> reporter: the house is not large just over 1100 square feet with two bedrooms. law enforcement says the garage which is detached from the building was turned into a bomb making factory. the company was stockpiling ammunition and parts enough the fbi said to make 19 pipe bombs, though not all were assembled. the justice department says they are inned in what syed rizwan farook's mother may have seen or heard. >> you said something about muslim mothers. you're not buying because muslim mothers are always up in your business. your mom doesn't live with you -- >> listen, joking aside when you live in a small apartment like

that it's very common families are very tight culturally speaking in muslim cultures. i just find it unusual, very bizarre that the mother who lives in a small 1100-foot square apartment is not familiar with what's going on in the house. it would have to demonstrate some type, i'm not passing judgment but some type of breakdown in the family structure which is exactly opposite of what you're seeing. >> also small place like this, they are ordering chemicals, going to firing ranges, they got assault weapons, they have a bomb making -- >> walking out of the house with them. >> strange people coming in and out of the house. >> sitting around the dinner table what your talking about? you're not talking about the college football rankings you're talking about your ideology and what you plan to do. i agree. i think it seems not logical. >> let's bring in "new york times" reporter with new reporting on the terror suspects

and from london professor of security studies at kings college in london peter newman. he serves as director of the international center for the study of radicalization. >> michael, tell us what you learned in reporting of this story about how they were long radicalized? >> well, the initial theory last week is that she had been more religious than him and that when they got together she had huge influence on him, really set him down this path. my sources tell me the fbi found people that date back before her, before 2014 when they got married that showed he was interested in this ideology and he was very into it. so it was not something that she set him up on. the other thing they are looking at, their time in pakistan. what happened there? what kind of influences were there and they are working closely with pakistani officials to figure out in that special region of the country was there a group that influenced them. was there someone that set them up. what kind of training did they have. a fair amount of investigation

is focused there. >> michael, as you point out the fbi has not gone out publicly and said there's any link they received direct order from some terrorist group overseas whether isis or another one. have they not found any connection or are they just not saying so at this point? is it possible it was an isis inspired attack? >> reporter: very positions-inspired attack. what they are saying publicly is what they understand in private too there's no direct evidence that the order came. there's so many communications they haven't been able to get. they smashed their cell phones. they tried to delete their laptops. labs are trying to get as much information out of those electronics as possible. and they still don't know everything yet and could be a lot more time. those cell phones are really damaged. >> peter, what's your observation of this? here you have people that have long been radicalized.

and in going undetected despite the fact that you have people coming in and out of the house, they've been doing target practice for quite some time, they have been basically turning their home, their ranch house into a bomb making factory. how does this slip through the cracks? >> well, it is very unusual. with lone actors or lone wolves, people who are not part of the chain of command of their terrorist organization it's true they do not communicate, they do not associate with known extremists then it becomes very difficult for the police to detect anything because police is always looking for communication and associations. so if they have been very careful and have not communicated their intentions to anyone it would have been difficult for the police to pick up on these people. however, going back to the poin y -- point about the mother

that's why it's important to activate family members, friends that may be the first one to observe something. the mother was part of the picture and didn't alert anyone or didn't observe anyone is indeed unusual. >> peter, i know there's been some studies in the past including one from british intelligence that suggests there no direct correlation between rogersi i religiousity and radicalization. is one an indicator of radicalization or vice versa? >> not necessarily. you can have very religious people who are not ever going to become radicalized. at the same time my center looks at a lot of people who are traveling from europe to syria and iraq who are young muslims from western europe, who essentially religiously illiterate. they do not know their own religion. it's precisely because they do not have a firm grounding in

their own religion that they are so susceptible to extremist messages. again precisely because they are not religious they are easy to recruit into this particular organization. >> all right. peter newman thank you so much. michael greatly appreciated. ayman thank you. good to have you. >> good to be here. i'm not leaving. >> stay right there. >> until 2016 is over. until we know who wins. >> up might go to new zealand and report from there. >> can i stay with you >> you sure can. you always have cover with me, man. coming up there's -- i will say those. this is what we do want to underline. i've been tweeting for the past week or two talk being about muslim brothers and sisters and we got to connect with our muslim republicans, got to be supportive of muslim brothers and sisters. i'm not doing that as a feel

good exercise. we don't win this war on terror unless muslim-americans feel they have a stake in this fight and are side-by-side with us and muslims across the world, ayman. the insanity of this all we're undercutting our own efforts, our own self-interest. >> you asked me earlier what i felt as an american. i'll say, on every level, strategically, on a value level it's extremely disheartening to hear those kind of commentaries. >> it's like a gift of god too to isis it plays in a narrative this is a war on religion. so many people are recruited because of that narrative. it's absolutely very dangerous. >> it is a minority sentiment by far in america. the minority sentiment of what we're hearing out of the trump supporters. we'll be right back. ♪

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welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, december 8th. back with us bloomberg politics mark hall bin, pulitzer prize winning columnist, gene robinson and robert costa and kasie hunt. . >> coming up we'll be speaking to donald trump interviewing him asking him about his statements about keeping muslims out of america. and we'll be asking him about that plan and mark halperin

reporting he's not ruled out the possibility of internment camps much like japanese-americans had in the 1940s. we'll be asking donald trump about that as well. mark halperin you were reporting about that this morning. >> i did an interview with "time" magazine in which he was asked about internment camps he didn't denounce them. probably considered one of the most egregious violations of liberty the united states government has ever committed and one of his big supporters in new hampshire is comparing trump's current proposal to that. these are big historical issues. i think donald trump will back down his view on this and if it doesn't it will seriously impact his chances. >> we do believe he's going to limit it. we shall see, though. we'll talk to him in 30 minutes. >> all right. donald trump is calling for a ban on muslims entering the united states of america. trump made the proposal in a

statement released late yesterday afternoon to last until quote our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. i just talked to one of his people who said it could be very temporary. if muslim-american citizens currently abroad a spokesperson said mr. trump everyone. i just spoke to someone very high up in the trump campaign, and he said that muslim-americans who are out of the country can come home. so a little bit of conflict there. last night the billionaire businessman described his proposal as a reaction to president obama's speech on isis and said the san bernardino terror attack. >> i watched last night and i watched the president truly that didn't know what he was doing. he didn't -- he didn't know why he was there. he refuses to use the term

"radical islamic terrorism." he refuses to use the term. i don't even know if knows what the hell is going on. i really don't. last night we all saw and witnessed something that i thought was highly inappropriate. in fact, i tweeted, is that all there is? about the president's speech. and i wrote something today that i think is very, very salient, very important and probably not politically correct but i don't care. you know -- [ applause ] -- we had a situation in california very recently where somebody was making bombs in in a apartment. the mother saw them. the mother didn't notice anything wrong. i watched the sister being interviewed. believe me in my opinion she was lying like crazy. i watched that interview. oh, my brother was such a wonderful guy. didn't know. i didn't know. i didn't know. and i watched the next door

neighbor saying oh, well we didn't report them because we didn't want to racially profile or we didn't front file. give me a break. give me a break. we're like the stupid country in so many different ways. can you imagine what our great leaders of the past would have said with the kind of crap that's happening with us? the mainstream media wants to surrender our constitution and our constitutional rights and i don't want that. i want isis to surrender. [ cheers and applause ] okay. i want isis to surrender. we don't want to be tough people. we don't want to be tough and nasty, we believe in the constitution more than anybody but we can't let people use and abuse our rights. we can't let people kill us. they want to kill us. they want to destroy us. we can't let it happen. >> trump's proposal was met with outrage from democrats and

republicans alike. hillary clinton called it reprehensible, prejudice and divisive. jeb bush said donald trump is unhinged. lindsey graham called the idea down right dangerous. bernie sanders said trump wants us all to hate all muslims. john kasich denounced the outrageous divisiveness. marco rubio said the plan is offensive and outlandish. here's what other republican candidates and high-profile members of the party had to say about the proposal yesterday. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. we do not need to resort to that type of activity, nor should we. >> unfortunately, i think donald trump's overreaction is as dangerous at president obama's underreaction. president obama isn't prepared to do anything which is clearly foolish but donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears and saying we're not going let a single muslim into this country is a

dangerous overreaction. >> i think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more muslims, and just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in. i mean, religious freedom has bean very important part of our history and where we came from. >> would you support a policy that prohibits muslims from entering this country cluing as tourists. >> no. that's not my policy. tibl focus should focus on radical islamic terrorism and we need directly focused on threats to the united states. we need a commander-in-chief that perceives what the threat is and that targets all of our resources to protecting this nation against radical islamic terrorists. >> the state party chairman of iowa, new hampshire and south carolina have also come out and condemned the proposal. matt moore the chairman of the south carolina republican party tweeted donald trump's bad idea

sends a shiver down my spine. jennifer horn wrote there should never be a day in the united states of america when people are excluded based solely on their rays or religion. it's unrepublican, unconstitutional and unamerican. that's why we are right now as we await to speak to donald trump himself in just few minutes. we can ask him about this. i feel like the message he put out yesterday is being tweaked a little bit as we dig deeper into it. we'll ask him personally. >> we'll see. there are a lot of polls coming out of iowa that some people believe may shine a light on the way donald trump did this. "new york times" suggesting he fell behind in one poll in iowa. i'm with mark halperin. i don't agree with that. it was more of a reaction to barack obama's speech than anything. >> yeah. for donald trump this rhetoric doesn't come out of the clear blue sky. this is the culmination of

months of things we've heard from him whether it's the idea of keeping lists, closing mosques or saying muslims celebrated on rooftop on 9/11. let's look at the latest new survey from public policy polling. 58% of donald trump's supporter in new hampshire believe that thousands of arabs celebrated the 9/11 attacks in new jersey. only 12% believe it didn't happen. meanwhile 53% of trump supporters in new hampshire in favor of a national database for muslims. only 22% oppose that. 49% of trump supporter in the granite state are in favor of shutting down mosques in united states while only 18% oppose doing just that. so, gene, that's what joe is referring to there. this is the kind of thing if you watched that event last night, as appalling as it was to most people in the room donald trump got a stand ovation, loud cheers from a big crowd for all things he was saying. >> that whole event was appalling to tell you the truth.

i watched it actually on the set here in the studio in washington with chris matthews. and it was not just the, what he said about banning muslims. he also, in a very sort of vicious way went after the press who were there and went after nbc's katie by name and paraded her as a third rate reporter, called all the other reporters scum and sort of egged on the crowd to join him in this castigation of the media. there was an air, you know -- look i'm always the last person to bring up the world war ii analogies. but there was an air of mussolini about that rally that has to be deeply worrisome for anybody following, you know, who cares about this country. >> mark halperin where does donald trump go from here?

>> well he's not backing off. he has clarified this morning that it does not apply to u.s. citizens and emphasizes it's a short term thing. let's hear what paul ryan speaker of the house has to say. let's see if george bush speaks out. i think he'll be isolated more than he ever has even if he keeps strength in the republican party. >> robert costa, any idea where this came from? was it a reaction to the monmouth poll in ay that has him in second place or reaction, are you hearing more to barack obama's speech on sunday night? >> trump is keeping close watch on the polls and it's notable it comes after president obama's speech but as mark said after a poll showed, one poll showed cruz leading in iowa. i sat down with trump a couple of days ago in a asked him before he made these comments before he came out with this policy was he going to do any outreach to muslims. he said maybe. maybe. but there's something going on

with muslims in america. there's something going on. i found it was an interesting, almost ominous comment. this has been long in the works in his thinking. >> he has said that on the phone to me. i know he said to it you too. he thinks there's something going on with muslim, and i just wonder whether mark is right that this isn't a cold political calculation, to play to people's most base instincts, but this is something he just believes. and he's proposing policies that are unconstitutional and would never pass. >> you know, i don't think that he sit there's and stops and thinks what will this do and what impact will this have and how will this help raise my poll numbers. i think he's in a constant extemple possibe

performance saying what he thinks. most of what he thinks reflects what a lot of people in america think which is why, you know, this is happening right now. there's a void that's been created by others. we can have that conversation. but a lot of these polls were taken -- did you say -- he put his plan out before the rally. >> yes. yesterday afternoon. >> obviously msnbc talked to people, they loved it. they were really supportive of it for the most part. >> right. >> donald trump has watched this campaign the same way we have which is that he has said things that may be offensive and he's watched his numbers go up. the lessons he's learned in the last six months the more he pushes the envelope, the more he speaks his mind the more support he gets. there's no consequences. he may have pushed it an inch too far this time but maybe not. we'll see when we look at the numbers. >> i never thought there would be a day where i might appreciate hillary clinton's campaign how they sit and think about every word and every poll

and every, you know, impact of every scene setter that they put her in which is so planned and sometimes hollow, but at least -- this i have to say -- we'll talk to donald trump ourselves. this makes me really nervous. >> let's go to kasie hunt. we all have been talking about how he gets away saying with whatever is on his mind, and usually his poll numbers go up. but there does seem to be a great divide now between donald trump and the rest of the republican party. i was wondering how aggressive the party would be, mika read out those statements. there's a massive divide now between -- there's donald trump and then there's everybody else. >> i think that's the overarching question. what is the republican party itself going to do? even before these comments, my reporting was starting to indicate an increased level of

nervousness, despite donald trump's rise in the polls, despite his crowds, there have always been these republicans that believe this was something, a bubble that would burst at the end of the day when voters went to the polls they wouldn't vote for donald trump. increasingly there's a fear that that's not the case and that they frankly haven't had another candidate step up and fill that void. they thought it was going to be somebody like a jeb bush. that hasn't worked out. increasingly this is going to fall to the party leadership and i think these comments frankly path whole new level of pressure on them to figure out what to do. i have to say the sources i'm talking to are mentioning names like mitt romney again. there's a real question about whether the party can find someone who is capable of standing up to this that they can get behind or whether the apparatus itself will have to do something, raising questions about an independent bid which could be equally dangerous for the gop as an constitution. >> at that recent msnbc poll

shows the majority of americans believe trump has marred the republicans image. republicans are more divided on the question. 40% say he's hurt the party's image compared to 43% who say he's helped it. they give trump high marks for style. 71% said his rhetoric is telling it like it is. 25% called it insulting and offensive. >> robert costa, we remember when you had ben carson suigett in trouble suggesting a muslim should never be president. we talked about the monmouth poll and the cnn poll that has him way ahead at 30%. you wonder if these statements that offend 75% of the republican party doesn't do even more to cement his support with

that 25% who strongly so believe him. in this case in cnn, 33%. >> we're turning the corner to the holidays. this is get the vote out. strategists said no one is airing ads against trump. they are not going on an anti-trump effort. at this point all the gop can hope for is someone to beat trump in the primaries. that's why people think cruz is so strong. he's ready for the long haul. at this point it's not an act. it's a long haul ad that will take trump out. >> up see the collapse of ben carson which actually is one of the headlines out of the monmouth poll. what you've been saying for some time for ted cruz to win, ben carson must lose. that appears to be happening now. >> cruz is surging. last night at midnight the bush super p.a.c. put out a new ad that goes after rubio and cruz but also after trump and could

be the beginning of the bush super p.a.c. using their money to take down trump. >> you look at the bush numbers 4% in iowa. what's the strategy moving forward? what is bush's strategy turned 4 into 8 into 16 into 32? >> become the trump alternative and beat rubio in iowa. >> bob costa, what are you hearing? >> bush is in a very difficult spot until someone like john kasich gets out of the race or the establishment lane becomes very crowd bush's path ahead is very difficult. >> kasie hunt, robert costa thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," pete williams with his reporting on the supreme court's decision not to hear a case on assault weapon ban and we'll get an update on how lawmakers are trying to change the gun culture on capitol hill, congressman mike thompson is trying to force a vote in congress while senator joe manchin tried to bring back

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the supreme court yesterday declined to hear a challenge on whether cities and states can ban semiautomatic high capacity assault weapons. the high court turned away the challenge to a chicago suburb's ban on weapons like the ar-15. which means similar laws already on the books in seven states across the u.s. will remain in place. >> with us now let's bring injustice correspondent pete williams. pete, obviously big setback for the gun lobby. this is, of course, a chance that the supreme court had to expand what they did in 2008. but they are not willing right now to say that assault style weapons are protected by the constitution. what's the long term impact >> well there's two federal appeals courts that now said states and cities can ban these high capacity ammunition clips and assault weapons. the two dissenters were justices

scalia and thomas. justice thomas wrote the dissent. if a broad ban on firearms can be upheld based on the conjecture public might feel safe the second amendment arrogants nothing. he couldn't get that traction with the rest of his colleagues. basically ever since the supreme court said there's an individual right to own a gun in the information self-protection, for self-defense, a lot of cases have come to the supreme court trying to extend that ruling to conceal carry laws, for example, to assault weapons ban, and the court really doesn't seem to want to have anything further to do with the second amendment for now. so this is definitely a green light for other states and other localities to enact these assault weapons bans if they want it. doesn't appear there's an constitutional impediment to it. >> is the state of the law, the state of the second amendment as interpreted by the supreme court is, americans have a limited right to owning hand guns and possessing them in their homes.

but -- >> for self-defense. >> for self-defense. doesn't really extend a reading of heller yesterday suggests, does it not, that's what it's limited to? >> you know, every time somebody brings a case to the supreme court to try to look at gun rights, restrictions on ownership, by age, for example, or these conceal carry permits, carrying guns outside of the home, self-defense outside of the home the advocates that dome the supreme court say look the lower courts are eviserating. they are limiting it too much. come on get in the fight. every time the supreme court has declined to do that. >> thank you, pete williams. if you actually read heller the language of held certificate very limiting. says d.c. doesn't have a right to tell people they can't have hand guns in their own homes from text themselves from home invasion. and clear reading of heller shows it's not any more

expansive than that. you wonder why gun rights ad voluntary case appealed that decision -- he had should have known and if they are smart they are going drop the appeal of the connecticut law because it's sort of like what happened with curt flood and free agency, major league baseball never appealed it because they knew they would lose it. >> joining us now the chairman of the house gun violence prevention task force, democratic congressman mike thompson of california. democrats in congress are trying force a vote on legislation that would ban gun sales on those, for those on the no-fly list and congressman thompson filed a discharge petition yesterday which requires the signatures of a majority of house members to force a vote. >> congressman, what's the number? how many people have sign your discharge petition so far? >> joe, we just filed it yesterday. members weren't here. there was a small number of people. but i suspect that number will

run up today. >> so, you know, you talked to opponents of this legislation and we certainly have pressed them on this show. what they will say is ted kennedy was once on the no-fly list. other well-known people have been on the no-fly list. anything in your legislation that helps tighten the restriction or that helps tighten exactly who gets on this list and who doesn't so we make sure we're not infringing on law-abiding citizens second amendment rights. >> the bill i filed the discharge petition is peter king's bill. the same bill. if there's problems with people on the list we should scrub the list. we need to make sure only those folks that are of concern are on that list. in the meantime we shouldn't allow people who are on the terror watch list to legally by guns. >> congressman thompson, it's willie geist. do you think bhoerm on that list should be charged with something at least. right now it's just a list of suspicions.

taking away their rights seems unconstitutional. is there a way to have a list that's more concentrated, people who are not just suspicious but been charged with something >> you're right. these folks are being watched. there's concern that they could be a problem. and i believe that in itself is enough to make sure that we slow down this process and don't let them stockpile a bunch of weapons and ammunition while they are being watched and then somehow be able to turn that around and hurt people, kill people, wreak havoc in communities. >> thank you very much, congressman thompson sapp. let's bring in democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. good to have you on the show. >> joerks we talked about this since newtown. i saw a new poll that shows 89% of americans still support expanded background checks. sort of thing we talked about since the day after newtown. that 80% of republicans in early

primary states iowa, new hampshire and south carolina also support background checks. 80%. why can't this get passed through congress? >> joe, i can give you that answer. i wish i could. i think that's why people are disgusted with what's going on, a lack of what's not going on. when something makes this much common sense and let me reiterate, joe. this is not private transactions, as a law-abiding gun owner we won't sell guns to strangers, to criminal, to shows severely mentally ill. but shouldn't we close down a loophole when you can go a gun show, not knowing the person for whatever purpose and be able to sell and trade back and forth or on the internet. does it make any sense at all if i order a gun on the internet from another state that has to be sent to a licensed dealer and i have to have a background check. if i do it intrastate i don't

have. this is common sense. people agree. we can't budge that because of the toxic atmosphere we have in washington. it's awful. >> we were talking also several years ago about how you had actually a terrorist who is on the fbi's top ten most wanted list saying hey it's easy to attack america because you can go gun shows, you can get assault weapons and you can go out and murder a lot of americans randomly. it was almost like a prophecy of what happened three years later in san bernardino. >> the common sense is we had a piece of legislation yesterday a couple of days ago we voted on that basically said if you're on terror watch list no, fly list you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. on the other hand, if you're on a flno-fly list and you go a gu show and go to a table you can buy a gun. you can buy a gun on the internet.

it doesn't make scene. we'll don't fight and put thunder and people should say, they say it wouldn't have prevented anything. you know what? if you can't do the common sense things that might prevent future tragedy, then what's our purpose in being here? >> we're in -- >> we're fighting this thing. we're not giving up. >> we're in a very new world. the terrorists, i would say they are coming but they are already here. >> last night there was talk about and you might see it on the omnibus bill that basically those countries that are involved, sir area iran and all that if the waiver visa waivers that will be discontinued and you have to have a waiver process you go through, diane feinstein and an awful lot of us feel very strongly that biometrics scanning should be for anybody from the 38 favored nations, anybody coming to this country whether muslim or non-muslim we should know who you are and the purpose of your

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joining us now, republican presidential candidate, donald trump. donald, good morning. >> good morning. >> all right, a lot going on with you. and i'll start out here i'm not blind to the emotions you're tapping into but i also think there's a number of americans you're scaring right now including me. i'm worried this is rhetoric that is fueling hatred and

alienation and possibly something worse. >> well, i think you should be more scared by what's going on and, you know, this morning we learned that $28,000 was poured into this guy's account, this horrible person that did the shooting along with his wife, his radicalized wife. you should be more scared about that by far than anything oimg saying. i'm using common sense. i spoke in front of thousands of people last night. thousands of people your reporters are reporting it. thousands of people outside of this tremendous ship that couldn't hold all the people. it holds, you know, biggest crowd they ever had on the yorktown and thousands of people couldn't get in. they gave a stand ovation as soon as they heard it. first sentence they gave a standing ovation and wouldn't stop. this is common sense. remember this until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on, mika, because we don't know what's going on.

you had the world trade center one. you had the world trade center knocked down. people are forgetting. they tried to knock it down a number of years before that. should have taken out bin laden and i did mention in my book and joe was mentioned enough to say wow trump talked about bin laden before the world trade center came down. joe will confirm that. nobody else did that. >> donald? >> yes. >> almost every high ranking member of the republican party and candidates they are all condemning your plan and your comments. do you see what's happening? >> they condemn practically everything i say and then they come to my side. they were condemning the wall, they were condemning illegal imgrace, they were condemning all of the things i've been esspoue espousing. >> but donald -- donald. >> i see a couple of people that said they would come out. not everybody has condemned it

if you look at it. i don't want to get into names. not everybody has condemned if you want to be a specific about it. but if you look at illegal immigration, and the wall and the strengthening borders and things we have to do for safety of our country, everybody was against me. i took heat like nobody did. this made like baby stuff the first two weeks when i announced i was running for president. now everybody is fighting to be tougher than me on immigration. >> donald -- >> illegal immigration, i took more heat -- >> i understand that. >> everybody now agrees with me in one form or another. >> let me ask you this, do you believe that we need members of the muslim-american community of the muslim community around the world to help fight war on terror and perhaps this is incredibly counter productive? >> no, i think it's something that has to be done.

it's a temporary move. i'm not looking at this long term. we have to get our hands around a very serious problem. look at what happened in paris the horrible carnage and frankly, mika, if you look at paris and i hate to do this because the commerce department of paris, the chamber of commerce is going to go crazy. paris is no longer the same city it was. they have sections in paris that are radicalize where the police refuse to go there. the police refuse to go in there. we have places in london and other places that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives. we have to be very smart and very vigilante. we have to find out who gave this guy $28,000, put it in his account. how many other $28,000 checks were made? are there thousands all over the country? when you say you're afraid, i think you should be afraid. you should be afraid of the other side not my side. i want to get our hands around a very difficult situation. >> all right, donald. >> one other thing -- >> you got let us ask questions.

you can't just talk. you got to let us ask questions. you're just talking. >> i'm not just talking. >> donald, you're not going to keep talking. we'll go break if you keep talking. >> go to break, then joe. >> go to break, everybody. go to break right now. we'll being right back with more "morning joe."  this holiday i can  count on being slammed with orders. we're getting slammed with orders. and my customers knowing right when their packages arrive. totally slammed! introducing real-time delivery notifications. one more reason this is our season. they come into this iworld ugly and messy. ideas are frightening because they threaten what is known. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are.

yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. we're back with donald trump. donald, we got a lot of people around table, willie, nicole, mark halperin wants to ask you a

couple of questions. first of all, it seems going after all muslims, banning all muslims from coming here is as counter productive as those pictures you see little 7-year-old kids being screened by the tsa. just in terms of policing we should focus, we should target on the muslims that we have a reason to believe need to have the most law enforcement focused on them. isn't it counter productive and unconstitutional to have this broad approach to all muslim? >> it's not unconstitutional keeping people out, freeze warningly until we get a hold of what's going on, joe. then you look at franklin roast, a respected president, highly respected, take a look at presidential proclamations back a long time ago, 2525, 2526 and 2527 what he was doing with germans, italians and japanese. he had to do it. look, we're at war with radical islam. we're at war. >> i agree with that, donald.

>> right. >> you certainly aren't proposing internment camps. >> not at all. i'm not proposing that and that's not what this -- you have to look at his presidential proclamations. it was tough stuff. it wasn't internment. we're not talking about japanese internment camps no not at all. we have to get a hand around a very serious problem. it's getting worse. you'll have more world trade centers if we don't toughen up, smarten up and use our heads. >> willie. >> donald, it's willie. you said you want to do this just for a few weeks not a long term plan until we can figure out what the hell is going on. how will you know when the coast is year for muslims to come back into the country? >> i didn't say a few weeks, maybe it could be a few weeks. hopefully we need people to get their arms around the situation. it's a terrible situation. i will go a step further. you have to look at areas that have become radicalized in other

places. they are not the same places, willie. they are places that you do not want to go to. you do not want to take your family there. you do not want to walk through the streets, even take a look at the radicalized areas, the muslims areas in paris. >> where are you hearing that? >> it's all over the place. i know paris. take a trip to paris sometime, joe, and enjoy yourself. >> you know, i hardly ever get out of the florida. i might go to staten island. >> i'll go to staten island. do you know what parts of paris specifically? >> i can get you the information. it's well known, well documented. >> what you're talking about is finding solutions to a huge, global problem. how will you know when it's time to open the borders of the united states to muslims again?

>> all it can be is a feel or a touch. we have to find it out. how many more people have got i don't know -- gotten checks put into their accounts? i hope the fbi and our great law enforcement are able to figure this out. i said knock out the oil, nobody listened to me. i said check the banking systems. they have very intricate banking webs, isis i'm talking about. they have tremendous money. how many other people are given $28,000 or more or less to go out and do destruction like these two animals did the other day in california. we have a very, very serious problem and we can solve the problem but we have to solve it through intelligence and through toughness. >> do you -- this is nicole. >> hi, nicole. i hope your father still likes me. >> i was going to ask you about

your supporters. they have been drawn to your strength and straight talk for many months now. you've been on top of the republican field for many months now. do you feel any obligation to them to balance your issues in the wake of the san bernardino attacks -- >> not just to my supporters, i feel i have great obligation to the country and i think i'm saying something that has to be said. not all the candidates have come out and scorned me for this. i'm using common sense and i'm using something that we have to use. but you're going to have other world trade centers, you're going to have other cities being blown up and we don't want that to happen. that's going to happen. we have very, very lax laws. we have a president that's incompetent. at the end of the speech i said what did he say? he didn't say anything. >> i agree with you on that, too. let me ask you this been a week

or so ago you said you've got muslim american friends, that most muslims are good people, do you still believe that most muslims are good, wonderful people? >> i do have friends and my friends agree with me. they say when they become radicalized, they become different people. >> dwight eisenhower went to an islam being center in washington, d.c. what if you and i go to an islamic center in washington, d.c. or we can go to a mosque in new york and talk to muslims. would you be interested in doing that? >> i would. talk is cheap. talk is very easy. if you talked to these two horrible people. >> said they were normal, they were not radicalized. the fact is that many people knew, joe. >> you and i both know if we're going to win the war against

isis and we're going to stop terror in america, we have to make sure the muslim community is tough on -- you were tough on crime in new york city. you had people coming together for community policing. >> i've always been tough on crime. >> doesn't n't we do the same t where muslims feel like they're on our side and doesn't we reach out to them? >> many people knew what was going on in that thug's apartment. i watched his sister being interviewed. i think she's lying. >> many more didn't. just imagine if we can engage

the muslim community more actively, it's more likely those thugs will likely be reported. >> i think that's right, joe. the sad part is? you just look at this example of what just took place in california, many people knew there's some really strange and bad things going on. one guy said and even more than one guy about racial profiling, i didn't want to report him because i didn't want to be a racial profiler. give me a break. what i'm saying is this, joe, we have to use our heads, we have to be strong, we have to be vigilant and until we can get our hand around a situation, we have to do something and we have to do it now. if you look at some of the statistics that came out, i don't know if you read this but 25% of those polled agreed that violence against americans here in the united states is justified as part of the global jihad. these are people living in the united states -- >> is that the frank gaffney

poll? >> that's a gaffney poll and they have a pew research poll. >> pew's a lot more respectable than gaffe aney's poll. >> dick cheney is not running for president and i think he's a man people respect. he disagrees with what you're saying. >> we is a president that doesn't know how to fight the war. we have a president -- >> explain that point of view. you said you have sympathy for it. what do you think it means when he says it goes against everything we stand for? >> i think he means -- i opposed

the war in iraq. i fully understand what people say and hopefully this doesn't take long but our people, law enforcement in particular, has to get their hands around the big problem. how many other checks were isn't to people all over the country that have been radicalized? joe, nobody knew this guy was radicalized. his wife probably radicalized him. >> you agree this goes against american values? >> no, because fdr did it, if you look at it. they said the same thing when i said we have to do strong borders. in 1954, dwight eisenhower, i like ike, everybody liked ike, he did it. >> it the japanese inturnment

camps go against -- >> we have to be smart, mark and vigilant. and we have to be tough. and if we're not going to be though three things -- >> did the inturnment of the japanese violate american values? >> you're asking me a different question. doesn't ask me that question. >> did the japanese internment camps violate -- your sense of american values? >> why want to respond to it. you know why? that's not what we're doing. you're asking me a different question. >> but for some people the same values are at stake. >> it wonderful that you ask me that. that's an entirely different question. it has no relationship to what

i'm talking about. >> gene robinson, jump in. >> donald, your campaign has changed. >> gene, i hope you still write well about me. >> when you started your campaign, you were appealing to people's aspirations, you're now appealing to their basis fears. do you feel good about that? >> no. no. i want to see a country where we can live in peace, where buildings aren't going to be blown up. but i really want where people aren't going to walk into a place and shoot everybody and have no protection. i mean, gene, we is a world trade center got knocked down almost twice. people forget the first time. but we have other things happening. we have isis that wants to destroy us and we take people openly and then we find out they've become radicalized. and what you do is you have to

look at other parts of the world and see what happens when that happens. it's a very, very serious problem for our country. >> it's the top of the hour. we're talking with donald trump about his controversial proposal that has certainly made waves in the political community over the past 24 hours. along with this plan you're proposi proposing, i know that you and joe talked a little bit about engaging muslims and you called it beautiful words but i do want to teak it further and ask you along with your plan, let's say it could actually be carried out, what would you do alongside that to engage the muslim community here in america and around the world? >> well, i would want to engage the muslim community but the muslim community has to help us, they're not helping us. the muslim community is not reporting what's going on. they should be reporting that their next door neighbor is making pipe bombs and they've got them all over the place.

the mother in the apartment, his friend was buying him rifles. the muslim has to help us. without the muslim community we would have to get very tough and much tougher and i don't want to do that. but the mus imcommunity, it's a not a one-way street. the muslim community knew what he was doing and his heavily radicalized wife, they knew what they were doing was wrong. nobody called the police. nobody said this is what happened. one person said he didn't call the police because he didn't want to be a racial profiler. >> you can't generalize and say muslims aren't helping law enforcement officers across america because they are. >> i don't think they are much. but not nearly to the extent that -- i man, look, not nearly to the extent that they should be. >> willie. >> i want to go back to what you call temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states. i get the concept but how does it work practically. let's say a man and his family

travel -- >> willie, there's certainly going to be exception made like for instance sporting events and other things. hopefully this wouldn't take very long. but you know what, by doing this what we really need help from are the muslims that do know what's going on, the neighbors of people that are looking to do harm, they have to call the police. >> i understand that and you've made that point. i want to know how it works. religion doesn't appear on a passport. would there be questioning at the border before they got to the united states? would it happen here in america? >> it could happen at the site, it could happen here, it could happen at many forums. >> the customs agent would then ask a prn his or her religion? >> they would say are you muslim? >> and if they said yes, they would not be allowed in the country? >> that's correct. >> mark halperin. >> i gather you're supposed to

attend a national reeb committee fund-raiser tomorrow and now you're not. >> i don't know. i honestly don't know anything about it. i'm funding my own campaign. i don't need money to put it mildly so i don't know anything about a fund-raiser tomorrow. >> a fund-raiser for the republican party was announced you were attending. >> i don't know if i'm going or not. i didn't know it was on my schedule, frankly. i'm not getting money from the special interests, from the lobbyists and from the donors. >> when you said some of the other republican candidates hadn't been critical of you, who are you referring to? >> i haven't heard from cruz. i haven't heard from rand paul somebody said came out with a proposal that was similar actually, similar and in many ways more broad. i had heard that. i don't think he commented. i wouldn't say i'm his favorite person. of course he's not doing too

well, maybe because of me. but rand paul i think has got a proposal that was pretty severe. cruz's proposal was pretty severe. but not everybody. most of the ones that are, guys like kasich, he's got no polling number, he made a fool out of himself. he's one of the worst debaters i've ever seen. some of the others are ones who are just hanging around. >> some are accusing, including the "new york times," say you chose to make this announcement because one poll showed you behind in iowa. >> i call it the failing money losing "new york times." let me tell you something. cnn came out with a poll yesterday that has me clobbering everybody in iowa. there was another poll that came out where i was a little behind cruz in iowa. . nationwide leading in every poll. one outlier came out yesterday, but cnn, which does do very good

polling and highly respected came out with a poll where am i correct, mark, or do you want to correct me? i was absolutely clobbering everybody. do you agree with that? >> you were ahead in that cnn poll -- >> not ahead, mark. how much ahead was i, mark? >> way ahead. >> mr. trump, you are ahead in the polls. how do you think your first meetings were leaders of say the united states arab emirates, they're a superb al lie, flying missions over isis, they have women in their army. how do you suppose a meeting will go? >> i think i'll get along great with them. i've even got i don't know along with joe and mika for years. if you can do that, you can do anything. by the way, you know who who is not a unifier is president obama. he's a disaster, the greatest

divider. >> you're at the top of the polls, you seem to be on track to be our party's nominee. you don't see any danger to our relationships around the world when you propose banning the world's 1.5 billion muslims from entering our country indefinitely? >> let talk about our relationships around the world. we don't have relationships around the wold. every country that we're supposed to -- russia hate us, china hate us, we're not talking too much with muslim problem there. the middle east plow up around heavily, iran just took us to the cleaners with a deal of, within tn years they'll have more nuclear weapon than of had. for the most part, we have no relationships with or countries. i'll guarantee you or o be part

better than they are right now. with have a. >> of course i would. >> so from 141 to 19 1, donald, we werin gajd in a cold war where the actual -- the balance of the human race hung in the balance. we feared nuclear war. we still let russians come to america, though. despite the fact that the danger was actually greater. if you looked at the cold war and mutually assured destruction. if we had banned russians from emigrating to this country, coming to this country, we wouldn't have google. >> i'm not looking at that, joe. take a look back at roosevelt and the alien germans, they

called this many whether you like it or not, we are at war with radical islam. >> donald, i grief with you. >> the president doesn't agree with you. >> it seems to me that your approach divides muslim americans and don't make them feel like they have a stake in the american dream. husband limbs americans have boying power great entrepreneurs that are will you abiding, muslim americans, they employ -- ewant muslims on or i'd. >> "they," you say "they." if we have 0%, don't they want -- you're great at making

deals. you understand, you make deals by drawing people in and getting as many emyour odd. >> joe, by doing this, you ultimately will draw them in. >> we win this war against isis. >> we're not winning. >> no, i'm talking about how we win the war ultimately. >> right now we're not vau drawing them in. things are going on right now that you don't know about be this you have so-called people you think are on ouroid that we work with and we protect and we

pro teb them militarily they're sending massive amounts of money to isis and al qaeda and -- >> who are you talking about there? >> because you're running for president. >> joe, joe, other countries are giving massive amounts of money. people from other countries are giving massive amounts of money. >> are you saying the saudis are doing this? >> course they're doing it. everybody knows that. any other countries? >> they are but i'm not going to say it because i have a lot of relationships with people but they are. and you know that and everybody knows that and nobody says it. >> you're not even saying the countries that are doing that right now. >>io, joe, all you have to do is check your record and one of them happens to be saudi arabia assadar yab why don't you think

we are? >> because i think we have an incompetent president. >> is he the on president that is -- had a policy basically -- >> did no, i think our previous president did not do the job opinion i want sack will if i -- i would have had. >> it looks like the or candidates are against you -- >> joe, that's been from the beginning. >> if you go in with delegate, will you brac away from the republican party -- >> i can't tell you, that joe.

>> so let turn page from politics really quickly. i want to talk policy. right now ted cruz is taking if you tw did he ever tell atabts on the foss got double that the united states need to seasoned more ground troops in as part of an international i'd take offer the oil and i'd keep the oil. i've been saying that for three years. >> but you'll need ground troops to do that is this. >> yeah, you'll need ground

trips? >> what do you think, 10,000? >> i'm not giving back the oil. i'm keeping the oil. that's a big difference. >> i think we have ted cruz coming on later this week and -- >> the on way you're going to beat isis is to tack their financing away. and the on way to do that is by banki banking. >> well, i've been specific -- >> joe, joe -- >> i'm talking specifically about grand crews. >> joe, i've been more civic than any of would you support a tho ground troops? i want to knock out their capital and take it offer the oil so that the oil is self-. we're going to give some of the

profits to our wounded war why are and to the veterans and to the family be so how many troops why in who would you be comfortable you say russia and you brought up the sawies as part of the big are international force. >> i would. i think it beautiful if raur want to drop bombs on isis. >> ted cruz is ahead in within poll in iowa,or ahead in all the others. is it had cruz your main competitor? >> i don't think so. >> ben cart are done 19 points. that seemed to me the headline,

is ben carson finished as a prospective republican nominee? >> well, i think he's a very nice man, i like him very much. yes, i think he's finish as a nominee. >> who is are. >>om so far had. >> you ought to see the crowd last night in north carolina. >> we saw it. >> largest crowd in the history of that ship. >> final thoughts. what's your final -- here's your opportunity as the guy who right now is the highest obviously grabbing the one with the most had we want to get back to a

normal, peaceful life. >> donald trump, thank yo -- >> at one point i will admit i wrote this, "i want to eat glass." >> why do you say he survives this? >> this is his pattern where i talked i think a few months ago about the thing is if he get better. hoose got yp better that the impls is to california californ

california. you sort of reprimanded him 309on, i wrote i want to eat glass" -- in, of,. >> you go in, you show up and she wrote a note halfway through it saying he survived there. >> and rose wrote he's going to went. mark hal present as yous will i don't know to donald trump, he says things that are offensive

to americans and then listen it him talk for 30, 45ment and you do understand even if you strongly disagree with -- and it sound like you have a garbage truck -- >> is he making a latte? >> but donald trump is speaking to the fears that americans have had about islamic extremism sin the early morning hours of september 11th, 2001. and that is a strong fear. and, you know, yesterday i was thinking in the past i've compared him to reagan as far as sort of his ability to be underestimated and prevail. yesterday as i was walking past trump tower, it struck me he's more nixon than he is reagan and that he knows how to appeal to fears in the primary will you you watch donald trump in the general lek, he is going to take a sharp, sharp turn to the

middle. just like nixon always did. >> he's a great politician and many people have been underestimating. on this controversy and whether it's going to be different, i think he did two significant things in this interview that makes it more likely that he survives and thrives. number one, he emphasized that it was temporary and of a short duration. number two, he said it didn't apply to u.s. citizens. the litmus test will be people like joe ryan and joanie ernst who have run and hid. do they today speak out and denounce this or do they do what they've done in the past, which is avoid being caught up in donald trump and his controversies. >> gene robinson, a lot to digest over the 30, 45 minutes there, his final comments to muslims, we love you.

muslims doesn't feel -- i would get muslim americans don't feel particularly loved this morning. >> no, and why should they. and he still, charming as he can be, he came on and he talked, all that's great. however, he's still talking about banning people from the united states because of their religion. an entire religion. he's telling muslim americans, we don't like your kind, woo don't want your kind here. w we don't want people who believe in your god to come to the united states. and that is an outrageous thing to say and you can't -- >> for a period of time. >> you can't soften that. >> we have to get it correct. >> for one day it's unconstitutional. >> it opens the door to the closet where we keep our deepest fears and anxieties and all that

stuff that we as americans, we put it away for good reason. it's called civilization. and that's really what he's attacking and eroding with this. it is still an outrageous thing. it's really awful. and we'll see, you know, how the party because the republican party is implicated here, has to respond, has been responding up until new now. >> they actually responded pretty harshly, didn't they? >> and so far they did. >> so far they have, willie. i do look forward to going to an islamic center with donald trump. i'd like to get other republicans to go as well. >> he said time and again the muslim community needs to be more vigilant, turn in people acting suspicious. if you turn into bill bratton i

have been very vocal about our need to reach out to our muslim brother and sisters in america. i'm not doing it because i'd like to teach the world to sing in because they want it win the war isis. and muslim american have fought and died for our freedoms, for the american flag and weep as americans, i will say personally we as republicans, mika, need to reach out to muslim americans

and let them know that we dismiss this talk and we are on the same team and let's fight and beat isis together. >> so just one other topic before we go to brac and we got to go, a little transparency here because i'm hearing from other candidates who are very j alex, is there anyone that would not take a call from clayton, bush, hillary clinton, brpy standers. spond become. welfare reform, and we spend to trump. but they're not. >> i'm hearing from self on

often. but i think there is -- all right, our thanks to mark and, gene, thank you very much. we'll talk about this more but this is also an issue as well because donald trump is sort of in a category of his own in his ability to -- >> he made international news yesterday, though. >> and he comes on and talks. we welcome any other candidate, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, call us up. we're here. we have steve kornacki here. and plus more chicago protests in response to an officer-involved shooting. the police department is the target of a justice department

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don will -- how will you get your message to what he should be saying to a counterweight to what trump supporters will be saying? >> woo have a muslim reform movement that's bipartisan that include many leaders that's you've spoken to. it's not just confidents. it's about liberals. it's about the equality of men and women, about progressive ideas of free speech blasphemy laws. this is not party politics and yet the muslim minority, just because we're 1% of the population in america becomes a ping-pong between the left and the right. meanwhile a quarter of the world's population is going through seizures after the arab

awakening. we need a commander in chief and many other candidates are looking at how to see this strategically and use this as a time for education, as teaching homes. and unfortunately we're not being attention to. one person let's her talking points from the qatar institute and the or candidate wants to marginalize us, who has hypocritical stances when he's doing bess with trum map dubai is enslaving muslims. >> and muslims americans, there is such an entrepreneurial class there. that are a part of the american dream, are pursuing the american dream or what the american dream is all about.

>> i think when you look at the numbers put out either by economic institutes and that focus on some of these american institutes, it shows you the number of they pli very important rolls ins aboutthey play an encredible important role there terms dpft, continue prert are. >> absolutely. . willthis front lynn. they fighting, sacrificing, he said here is my muslim i.d. and said where is yours, donald trump? it gets lost in this type of doof bait because everybody is focusing as one prn as steve

mentioned bombastic comment, divisive comment and in the end we lose sight of the past. >> ands that a message not on on here in north carolina knock be match catch. >> it is an interesting moment when you hear all the voices throughout. it does mack me wonder when look at some of the public opinion polls and ask do you think islam is fundamentally compatible with american values, large number have been saying no. i do wonder if donald trump making a comment like this and causing a discussion like this, might start it change all this. >> still ahead, chicago releases another -- video of another deadly police shooting being, the second in two weeks. now the department finds itself

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>> the bottom line is you need to reject this without hesitation. puts our troops at risk overseas. they were worried about his statements and behavior even before this. >> you know, lindsey, you saw the crowd last night in your home state. massive crowds. they love him. and there's no other presidential candidate on the campaign trail that can draw that type of audience. what does that say about where the republican party is right now? >> well, when you look at american history, what you're

actually supporting is a wrecking ball for the republican party, race baiting, religious bigot. i think that's who you're supporting. time will tell. >> what worries you most about the comments he made over the past 24 hours and the proposal. >> he's putting people at risk. remember when the guy was threatening to burn the koran? the enemy takes statements like this and use it against us.

it just helps the enemies and puts our soldiers and diplomats at risk and it's ruining the republican party. but the good news is, joe, that most people in responsible positions are pushing back and that is goodness. >> all right, senator lindsey graham, we greatly appreciate you calling. we hope you call up tomorrow and we'll talk about it. >> coming up, mayor rahm emanuel seems to be changing the course. we'll have the latest when this very fascinating "morning joe" returns. exhale.

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right now on msnbc, a defiant donald trump defending his plan to ban all muslims from coming into the united states. republicans and democrats say he's unhinged and ridiculous. >> donald j. trump is calling from a complete and total shutdown of muslims coming into the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. >> it's sounds harsh but reality is reality. >> no, that is not my policy. >> i think that is a very wise decision. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. >>