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kids are not getting a hover board. >> i apologize. john thank you for being with us. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. mpt daily begins right now. >> it's friday. the message is get used to it. those words from donald trump himself to his own party. we have just over 50 days until actual voting. it starts right now. st iowa caucuses are a short 51 days away. the holidays will gholobble up n more time. 2kru6r7 is the unquestionable candidate to beat, maybe. party leaders have moved on to confronting trump a new normal
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in the gop. how did we get here? >> we looked at it this morning. six factors have helped him catapult to the top. terrorism, the growing fear on voters' minds. how could the fear change over the course of a month? after the terrorist attack in terrorist and here in home in san bernardino, terrorism is the top concern. economic insecurity. despite a 5% unemployment rate, the economy hasn't helped everyone. those recovered tend to be not on the east or west coast or in rural america. trump is running on his business record. the president desperately wants any free trade. a third factor is a growing divide in the gop. one wing is open to compromise.
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the other wants to hold the line on principle. it's an all out battle to figure out what conservative is. where mitt romney fell short, trump isn't leaving doubts on his position. even if he's left out a lot of details on his policy. factor four, trump says he's giving voice to a silent majority. it's a potent minority, if not a majority. this country's demographics are changing and those same fears and resentiments are alive today. trump isn't just dropping him. this dog barks and he calls political correctness a big problem. americans have also lost trust in the fact checkers. trump's outlandish claims get called out by opponents.
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the public believes the news media has a negative effect on the way things are going in america. look no further than the third republican debate where the media was the main target. the final factor in our list of six, the changing of the guard. voters have a habit in history for looking for a president who is the opposite of the person leaving office. in many ways donald trump might be the perfect opposite caricature when it comes to barack obama. trump isn't frustrating just the others. his ban on muslims entering the united states has drawn the ire of many. just when you think donald trump can stoop no lower, they do. senator flake visited a mosque today telling those gathered that he hopes the isolated voices calling for division are overwhelmed by a coarse of
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the -- chorus of the many. with me is senator jeff flake of arizona. senator, i know you spent fan prayers -- afternoon prayers with them. >> i had never gone to a mosque and given the atmosphere out there and the comments of donald trump, i thought that i should do so. i called the local imam and he met me and my family. >> what did you hear from them? what did you hear from various people that you met today? >> one, that they are just very upset and dismayed at what happened in california and the suspicious that's -- submission that's -- suspicion that's cast on their community. i feel badly for them and they
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were anxious to let people know they deplore the activities that have happened. they've helped where they can and this community does thot stand for what some people think they stand for. >> there are a lot of ideas about how to reare stror trust between in this case political leaders and the muslim community. maybe it's between the muslim community and nonmuslims in america. what are some ideas that you have in restoring this trust, that they have in restoring the trust? >> well, i hope that more senators and members of congress will visit a mosque and invite families there and ask the leadership there to visit their churches as well. it's tough to dislike and misunderstand those you get to know, and i think if we can do some more of that, it will do us all a world of good. it wasn't -- you know, for -- just for them. this was for me and my family.
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we needed to understand more what this is all about. it was very helpful, i have to say, and they were extremely welcoming. >> it was interesting when pugh came out last month that a majority of americans said the values of islam didn't fit the values of america. how would you answer that yourself? how would you till somebody that they're wrong and how would you explain it to them? >> well, muslim americans have fought and died in every war since the revolution. there are a couple of thousand muslim americans serving in our military right now, sacrificing the ultimate price sometimes to hold -- you know, to restore, to assure that we have the freedoms that we have here. a group of muslims got together and raised more than $200,000 for the victims at san bernardino. so this is a community that is mourning along with those of us
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who are sickened by this kind of violence and in particular for them, they realize that, you know, suspicions are cast on the entire muslim community and that shouldn't be the case. >> well, you obviously did this. you felt the need to do this because of what donald trump said and did. 234ub one, as a republican, are you going to be able to support the republican nominee if his name is donald trump? >> donald trump will not be the nominee. >> that's not answering the question. that's the favorite way to answer it. will you be able to support him adds the nominee? >> knows who don't want a republican in the white house want republicans to say this, because the most likely scenario, if there's a nonrepublican in the white house, it will be because donald trump runs as a third party candidate. if republicans say now we will not support the ultimate nominee, that gives donald trump license to run as a third party candidate. >> by the way -- >> the primary --
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>> senator, that was an honest way of answering the question. you believe the reason why nobody will answer definitively is just what you said? the fear of trump going third party? >> yeah, yeah. and frankly, we would like to see -- i would like to see and i think if donald trump subjects himself to the republican voters through the primaries that he will not be the ultimate nominee. let's let him do that, but he won't. if we say from the outset that donald trump will not receive my vote. so i don't think that donald trump will be the republican nominee. let's let the process go forward. >> well, i think that's the big question here is does donald trump represent a majority of the public or doesn't he? we'll see later, senator flake. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. what is the republican party? other republican leaders are trying to distance themselves from trump. here's trump's take on what he
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calls the new normal in the republican race. >> i think i'm going to win, i think i'm going to win. i'm not one of these other guys who goes down. i don't go down. i go up. >> do you have a warning for gop leaders? >> i say folks, i'm sorry you did this to you, but you got to get used to it. it's one of those little problems in life. >> is he a reflection of the party? i'm joined by two people. mr. klein, you wrote this. you took the caricature side. he said in trump liberals has found a -- this has delighted liberals who now feels vindicated. sir, your thesis. political parties are not 1259ic. the party is a reflection of its
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membership. when the identity or character of the membership is altered. so i guess the question is, you guys sort of don't agree here. is he a reflection of the party or not? >> i think what i was getting at was sort of the caricature liberals have had is every republican victory is rooted in some sort of combination of white resentment. that's bizarre to republicans who came of age and lower taxes. >> children of reagan? >> yes. >> an optimistic way of looking at conservativism. >> in trump, he has a candidacy that so far has been book ended by talking about mexicans being rapists and excluding muslim immigrants from entering the u.s. and clearly on all the sort of
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litmus test issues, he's not a conservative, whether it's taxes, health care, abortion, et cetera. and so if he wins, it would give more credence to that view that this sort of republican is more dominant within the party. >> so phil's trying to make the case, that he's not a real republican. you're potentially arguing that what if he is? what if the republican party has changed? >> right. i think it's entirely possible to be both caricature and the vessel of real trends in the republican party and nationally. i agree with phil. if you were to sit liberals in a room and ask who is the person who most represents everything you fear and hate about conservatives, you would come up with donald trump. old, white, billionaire, nativist, protectionist. that said, there's a global trend now toward nationalism on the center right. >> look at europe.
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and that's interesting to me. usually our politics, we export to europe. europe's exporting his politics to us. >> i think something changed, chuck, last year, with the immigrant children showing up at the border and the president's response to that, and the right response to that, and in the president issuing the executive order of the daca after the election. >> galvanized -- >> i think it said immigration laws are not working in this country. the governing elite are corrupt or inept and we need to go elsewhere, outside the political process for someone to save us. i think the people who believe that are supporting donald trump. >> phil, are you willing to concede that the party is changing, or do you think he's just a -- >> i think part of that is obviously going to be determined by voters, whether or not he actually people show up who say they support him now. but i was in new hampshire a few weeks ago and i spoke to a lot
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of his supporters, and what i heard consistently was, political correctness is killing us. things are really bad, and maybe we need someone kind of extreme. not that they necessarily agreed with everything he said, but they liked the fact that he was willing to say those sorts of things and not be cowed like a lot of other republicans when they come under fire by the media. >> so, i guess the question is, what does the rest of the party do? you talk to folks, we just heard a very -- like i said, it was an incredibly honest way for jeff to respond to my question, about will you support him. and he said i'm not going to say it and here's why. it was refreshing to hear that. but that's the fear here. i've talked to some republicans who say -- [ inaudible ]
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>> of course we can't answer that question, because he might bolt. that's the problem facing the republican party. forget about whether if trump goes third-party, what if he doesn't win the nomination, what are the republicans going to do at their convention? we have this myth about what pat buchanan's speech about a culture war, about what that did. what is a donald trump speech going to do to perceptions of the republicans party in 2016? trump represents a decisive shift on the right. and it's because of not only the failure of our governing elite, but also widespread changes in the multi ethnic character of this nation. >> there's a cultural thing going on here. >> a feeling of loss of control. and the republican party has only begun to grapple with this. >> is this a fight to define what a conservative is too? >> i think it's more a fight to define what a republican is. i think that trump isn't really running as a conservative.
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in my piece, i make a distinction between the republican establishment, the sort of national party, and professional conservatives, who are the conservative commentators, the policy professionals, activist groups, all of them. they don't think of trump as a conservative, and trump isn't really running as a conservative or attempting to. >> he's got a third way. >> yeah. >> it will be interesting. on a day that a plethora of great stuff to read, you two had good stuff to read. i hope folks check it out. thank you. matthew will stay with us. we'll have him later in the show. donald trump picks a twitter fight with ted cruz and guess who didn't take the bait. much more action from the trail straight ahead. and tune in this sunday for a "meet the press" exclusive, one of the three front-runners these days. it's cruz, trump, or rubio. well, florida senator and republican presidential
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well, today was supposed to be the end of the u.n. climate summit in paris, but talks will continue at least one more day, as diplomats try to hammer out an agreement. now negotiators from more than 190 countries are making a final push for what they're calling a global consensus on long-term climate change strategy. basically it isn't a treaty. a major sticking point is how different countries would share funding. a trillion dollar transition to clean energy around the world. no matter what is agreed upon, it's not subject to approval. it's just a guideline to the united states, which means the next president can choose another guideline. coming up, affirmative action before the supreme court. we'll hear some audio from this
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we're hearing for the first time today the audio of wednesday's supreme court session when the justices heard oral arguments in a case that challenges the affirmative action policy at the university of texas. included in that audio is the comment from justice anthony scalia that "the new york times" report drew muted gasps in the courtroom. here it is. >> there are those who contend that it does not benefit african americans to get them into the university of texas where they do not do well. as opposed to to having them go to a less-advanced school, a less -- a slower-track school where they do well. >> joining me now is nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. what was that? >> well, the question here is, how much of a favor the justice
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was asking, does the university of texas use by using race as a factor in admitting 1/4 of the school. he's citing a brief that makes sort of the same point, although perhaps not as bluntly. it says when you take students from high schools that are not as good, where they're struggling academically and plunk them down at elite university, they're constantly trying to keep their head above water, trying to catch up. they feel like they're a token. they feel like they're isolated. >> that's not what he said. he did a blanket statement. i mean, is he going to is antho assume no. >> certainly not. he referred to the brief at some point in his comments and that's what he was trying to ask about. >> let's go to the crux of what this case is. is affirmative action going to get struck down or not?
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a lot of it is in the hands of justice kennedy. i'll play another excerpt and have you explain what he's talking about here. take a listen. >> it does seem to me, as justice alito's question and frankly some of the other questions have indicated, that the litigants and frankly this court have been denied the advantage and the perspective that would be gained if there would be additional fact-finding under the instructions that fisher sought to give. and that just -- we're just arguing the same case. it's as if nothing had happened. >> they've had this 10% rule, they take the top 10% as eligible to go in, but they said it didn't do enough for affirmative action. they wanted to diversify their pool in all of this. this has been challenged before.
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some form of it got sent back. that's what he's referring to. explain what he was doing here. >> this case comes to the supreme court without a trial. it was based -- the appeals twice to the supreme court are based entirely on the lawyers' written briefs. so the fact-finding that justice kennedy is talking about, where you would have in a trial, where experts come in and testify, that doesn't exist here. what he seemed to say at that point is, maybe we would benefit by understanding this program better. maybe there should be a trial. however, toward the end of the argument, he seemed to say, well i'm not sure that a trial would really make any difference. so you're right, i think he is the deciding vote. remember, there are just eight justices that are going to decide this one. justice kagan is sitting this one out. she worked on this question when she was in the solicitor general's office before she was nominated to the court. so you can't have a tie here. there's a prospect of a 4-4 tie, that would affirm the lower court's ruling, which would be good for the university of
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texas. it takes five justicine ings toe this case. kennedy is the decider. he has a hard time voting for affirmative action in practice. >> do you think it gets sent back and more fact-finding and we deal with this question again in three years? >> hard to say. i don't think they'll do what the people who brought this case want them to do. they might strike it down at the university of texas because they have the top ten program or they might send it back for a trial. >> all right, pete williams. do you being we'll hear from scalia, some attempt at walking that back? >> i seriously doubt it. >> thank you, sir. up next, the heads of state. meet the man taking on the monumental task of restoring these presidential statues to their old glory. and later, ben carson takes a threat from the trump playbook.
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you've heard of all the president's men. but what about all the president's heads? meet the press producer who took a trip to a monument graveyard that's trying to give new life to some presidential head honchos. >> for americans, hour heads of state are hard to top. larger than life men become larger than most things monuments. and people flock to them. two million saw mt. rushmore last year. the national mall gets 25 million. this one's not a head scratchers. if there was a place with all the presidents, people would flock to it, right? well, there was, and they didn't. you're looking at the remnants of what used to be called president's park, a tourist attraction in virginia that shut its doors after facing tough economic head winds. that's where howard hankins comes in. he was hired to destroy the busts when the park went under. but he fell in love and kept
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themselves himself. >> i couldn't see destroying them. we picked them up out of their steel frame and got them up here. now the busted busts of 43 u.s. presidents, some standing 20 feet high and weighing between 15 and 20,000 pounds lie in state on hankins' 400 acre farm in virginia. and the gang's all there. the gipper, both roosevelts, lincoln and harry truman and joushr george w. bush. fillmore grew a bee's necessary. washington was decapitated and wilson has seen better days. but hankins has a plan. i'm going to build a park for them. for kids, education, tourism. help the community. and if that plan gets off the ground, hankins is ready with a model of president obama and whoever might come after. >> do you follow the current presidential race? any one of them you think would make a good bust? >> i think thinking about
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calling donald up. he would want a big one, might even out of gold. >> and until that day, here they sit, giving new meaning to the phrase washington is broken. >> hankins said it costs about $1,500 to repair each statue and the plan is to re-open it near colonial williamsburg. >> i'm a biography nut. i want to go to this park. can people go? >> that's the thing. he doesn't have a roadside attraction permit. but he's gotten some strange requests. someone asked to get married next to lincoln. >> naturally. >> he gets the gambit, but he can't do it. he's a couple million short. >> is there a website? >> nothing. he's off the grid. >> hasn't figured out how to raise money yet. >> crowdsource this. go fund me. go fund howard hankins. good work, man.
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>> thank you. >> i can't wait to visit it in real life. come on, let's do it. still ahead, ted cruz takes on donald trump. sort of. ben carson follows the trump playbook with a threat to leave the party. and jeb bush was so concerned to not make mitt romney's mistakes that he ended up making muy ones. but first the cnbc market wrap. >> we had stocks ending lower for the week. the dow slides by 309 points. the s&p off by 39. the nasdaq drops 111 points. more than 2%. one of the factors, falling crude oil. ending down at $35.62 a barrel, off 10% for the week. dow chemical and dupont are merging to create a chemical powerhouse, worth about $130 billion. shares of both companies ended lower, after rising earlier this week on word of that deal. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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in just a couple of hours, donald trump will be at another rally and everyone will be looking to see if he'll go after ted cruz. "the new york times" released audio of cruz talking about trump and carson. >> with both of them, gravity is pulling them down. we've seen that. carson is further in that descent. but you look at paris, you look at san bernardino. it's given a seriousness to this race, that people are looking for who is prepared to be a commander in chief. who understands the threats we face. who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? >> well, early this morning, donald trump tweeted, quote,
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looks like @ted cruz is getting ready to attack. i'm leading by so much, he must. i hope so. he'll follow like all others. it will be easy. but cruz is not taking the bait. this is what he tweeted back. the establishment's only hope, trump and me in a cage match. sorry to disappoint. donald trump is terrific, #deal with it. katy tur joins me now from des moines. katie, i don't know who trump's going to attack today, could be you or me, could be ted cruz, could be "the new york times." who knows. i assume cruz doing what he did probably gave a little bit of a heisman to trump today, no? >> maybe. we've heard cruz say in the past he doesn't think donald trump will be president. we've asked him, and he has always said he thinks cruz is a wonderful person.
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this is as far as we've seen him go against tom cruise -- ted cruz. saying that he needs to say what he says to his bosses out publicly. that was a not so veiled critici criticism. while donald trump is not taking money from donors. but he's adamant when he says he doesn't like to attack first, even though he often does attack first. i do feel like in this instant, he's going to wait for ted cruz to come out firing against him, so he can really unload. and what are those attacks going to be? i imagine they're going to be fund raising. i also think we'll see something about winning and losing, two of donald trump's favorite words. donald trump likes to paint himself as a winner. and paint ted cruz has a loser, he's had no winning in congress. >> quickly, i'm curious at trump
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iowa events. do they look prepared, that they're signing up people? are you noticing that in these early moments? >> so far, you haven't seen many volunteers at this event. but that would be the first one that i haven't seen a ton of volunteers at in a while. then again, they could be in a separate room. this is a very large place. because we've seen them at the last six, seven events, a ton of volunteers, casking them how to caucus and showing them out. >> all right. katy tur, in des moines, thank you. let's bring in our panel. coming back, matthew kont netty and from the center for american progress and ashley parker. >> what did ted cruz say that there was an attack on donald
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trump? >> it is a little hard to characterize it as an attack. one thing donald trump might be able to seize on is that he did it behind closed doors, so it feels hypocrite cal, it's something that he's not willing to say publicly. and trump tweeted, if you're going to say this, say it publicly. so i don't think it was an attack, but it gives trump the opening if he wants to. >> is that a washington gaffe? >> yes. it's kind of ridiculous that he immediately took it to, oh, you're attacking me, come and say it to my face. i'm enjoying this immensely. >> sure you are. [ laughter ] >> they're having a good time with it. >> indeed. although, i do wish that everything was a little more elevated. i think this is serious times
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and donald trump is entertaining, but i think we've moved beyond that point where it's not funny anymore. like, he may win the nomination, and that should scare people. >> i think that was the point of your column today. it's like suddenly a lot of people said, it's time to stop pretending this is going to go away. matthew, isn't donald trump the best thing to happen to ted cruz? because the establishment hates cruz. you know, and yet trump has made cruz nominatable. >> it's that concept of the window, framing the acceptable choices in politics. before trump, cruz was on the edge of that window. trump comes in and he moves the whole thing to places where we would have never expected. so he makes cruz more establishment even by comparison. i think it was an attack on donald trump, for this reason. he was, for the first time questioning donald trump's judgment, saying he doesn't have the judgment to be commander in chief, and he was also being an
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insider, as ashley said -- >> love the judgment thing and i have now doubt cruz's campaign being so well organized, the first thing when they say, finger on the button, that that's the thing that can move voters. let's take a quick break, you're all coming back. up ahead, we'll look at the impact of a contested convention, that it could have the race, in the next days, weeks and months. up next, the new place where all the letters you've signed and sealed can now be delivered for the first time in 50 years. julie? we've already given more than 175 million free fico credit scores to our cardmembers. apply today at discover.com this holiday, i can count on my going off list.again, and knowing right when my packages arrive. so that's two things.
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time for the ws. the who is willard scott. long time member of our nbc news family here. he's retiring next week after 35 years with the "today" show and 65 years with the network. we're going to miss those birthdays, that's for sure. to the what, it's your hover board. next time you get on an airplane, you better leave it at home. three airlines have all banned the popular holiday toy over fire risks from their batteries. now i have another reason to tell my son he's not getting one. the where, it's cuba. which will have direct mail service with the united states for the first time in over 50 years. it is another step taken by
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president obama and president castro towards normalizing relations between the two countries. and now to the when. a new york judge ruled that daily fantasy sports constitute illegal gambling and called for companies like fan duel and draft kings to stop all business in the state. comcast and nbc are among the investors in fan duel. and now the why, justin trudeau and a throng of supporters welcome syrian refugees to canada, the first of 25,000 that canada promised to take in through february. as for the why, the promise to fight back against anti-muslim rhetoric. up next the how. how republican candidates are reacting to the possibility of a contested convention. stay tuned.
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well, add ben carson to the list of candidates that may threaten to break with the republican party if there's some manipulation going on at the convention. responding to reports that a couple of dozen party leaders or former party leaders discussed about how to deal with a potential floor fight in cleveland, carson said this in a statement, quote, if this was the beginning of a plan to sub vert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, i assure you, donald trump won't be the only one leaving the party. carson was asked to elaborate on what he means by his statement. would he run as an independent? here's what he said. >> hopefully i won't have to decide that. because hopefully the leadership that we have now is different than what we've had in the past. i hope this is not really
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happening. i hope we have gotten better than this. >> you hear a lot of chatter on the subject. the last brokered convention was democratic in 1952. rules changes since then have made a contested party much more unlikely. still this is a primary unlike no others, as peter hart has been saying. let me bring back the panel. matthew, let me start with carson's statement. i think i know what he's trying to get at here, this better not be some orchestration to nominate somebody that didn't even run and nominate somebody that doesn't finish in the top tier of the campaign. >> right, and that won't happen until the brokered convention. so he's got his chronology wrong. i think with the meeting that he was responding to, it's basically a logistical one. what happens if we enter the republican convention without any candidate have a majority ever the delegates necessary to
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win? which some political analysts say is a possibility. >> it's all in the hands of donald trump. we know there's normally been two wings of the part, and trump's created this third thing. but in this day and age of transparenc transparency, of a diversified and fragmented media, ideological people, there's no way a smoke-filled room is going to be tolerated by anybody, right? >> right, no. probably not. although i do have to say, it would not be good for the republican party to have any of these nominees break off and run as an independent. and one thing that was interesting, the rnc was very bullish about getting everyone to sign this pledge they would run as a republican. and they thought they had this trick to nail donald trump down to not run as an independent. but of course donald trump will run as an independent or third-party, he has no problem breaking that pledge. but it's tied all the other republican nominees who have to sit there and squirm and say, i would support donald trump if he's the nominee, even though
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that won't happen. >> it has. i guess i just go to this whole transparency thing. this won't be -- so, for historical be so multiple ballots in '52 and in '44. since then we have had this magical way of picking a nominee through actual voters going to primaries. >> there is no way that this process was going to be hidden from anybody. i will say i think it is a little much ado about nothing. >> it wasn't a formal meeting. >> having dinner and i think you do your due diligence to talk about all possible outcomes. the thought of a brokered convention makes me want to clie. >> it is an early convention.
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the throwback is he is doing as early as a convention as in a long time. >> given the track record of the reforms to the primary process in the hopes of not repeating mistakes of 2012 i fear even that will back fire. >> hillary clinton has been sort of overshadowed of late. she puts out a policy position probably every couple of days and doesn't get a lot of attention. at what point is she so overshadowed that people don't know what she is talking about? is there a concern among you folks -- >> i don't think there is a concern about her being overshadowed. as closer we get to iowa the focus turns back on the race again. i think folks are focussed on the republican side. i don't think there is danger in her message not getting out. >> out of sight out of mind?
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romney's mistakes reporting in conversations months ago the bush team tried to learn from mr. romney's mistakes. also with me are matthew and daniela. it's weird at this point for a candidate stuck tht low digits, someplace mitt romney never was. it is a head scratcher. >> i think the campaign which has a lot of veterans realized early on their candidates have a lot of the same similarities which as one obama adviser put to me as obama's awkward dad. their policy wonks, they inspire tremendous loyalty but they can't quite connect with voters. you hear from both of them if only america could see the jeb bush, the mitt romney we knew. so they looked at that and used mitt romney as a reverse play book and said what can we learn
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from this? the things they decided were romney didn't talk to the press that much and created a vacuum. they have jeb talking to the press all the time. he does a lot of interviews, he stops and answers questions. and they are trying to show the embrace the dorky side of him rather than cover it up. >> i don't think this is really about tactics. isn't this about he's burdened with the last name in a year of anti-elitism. >> absolutely. what i liked about ashley's piece is how it revealed the thinking of the bush campaign when they entered the race which is we are going to be the inevitable candidate. we will be the hillary clinton on the republican side. we will have the money and wow everybody. we will have the name, the brand and we are just going to intimidate people. the only person they seem to have intimidated was mitt
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romney. all the other people have stayed in and we have watched as not only the last name is hurting but as i believe the party has moved beyond bush years. >> what is funny is as of a month ago you talk to clinton people they were still convinced that they were -- they are thinking in the old way. they still haven't figured out. they will figure that out. >> i don't know if they are still saying that today. >> am i right? >> i don't understand how he can think his name wouldn't have been a henderance coming in. >> i think they knew to a point. >> when you look back and compare the brothers like everyone said jeb is a better campaigner and candidate. it is totally proven not to be the case. i don't know what lessons are out there that he can learn that is going to get him out of the position he is in right now. >> i want to go to trump.
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des moines register poll is coming out. they use a system of caucus goers. if it is the same trend as we saw with the moth poll and cruz is ahead, how does trump respond? >> he will attack iowa which he has done before and i think he will attack ted cruz. it didn't take much for him to go after ben carson when it looked like carson was gaining on him. >> attacking works. >> when has trump's attacks not been effective? jeb bush, low energy. >> rubio is the one exception. >> the brilliance of his attacks is they have more than a grain of truth in a lot of them and something the voters can pick up on. you are talking to voters in an event and you hear it with jeb and low energy. voters said his posture isn't great. he seems a little low energy the
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way he moves his shoulders. it's the trump attack. >> we'll see about cruz because cruz is somebody who continues to want to suck up to him and usually is softer. thank you all. we will all be back at some point. we will be back monday with more. if it's sunday it's meet the press. marco rubio and then some. we will have more from the wall street journal poll. erica hill picks up our coverage right now. tonight on msnbc live, donald trump gets high marks in yet another new poll taken after his proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. the daughter of mohammed ali joins us more on her thoughts. we are live in san bernardino where divers continue their search. a rough end to the week on wall street with more tur
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