tv Lockup New Jersey--- Extended Stay MSNBC December 12, 2015 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
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>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> i'm trying to make it easy. you're not going to get hurt. >> a distraught inmate is placed in the jail's restraint chair. >> i can't breathe. >> now staff must unravel the mystery of what has him so upset. >> please. >> how much time have you done in this jail? >> about 31 years. >> a familiar face struggles to
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exit the jail's revolving door, but there's a catch. >> he's islamic, and he wants to go into a christian program. that's a problem. >> another inmate has pled guilty to manslaughter, but now in an unusual legal twist, he may have to stand trial for murder. >> they had stated that i was a monster, that i would go out there and kill somebody. >> and a convicted murderer stands trial for a gruesome related crime. >> i remember the words she said. you got to gi god give me another chance. i said, god is not here. >> many of the small towns in bergen county, new jersey, are considered wealthy suburbs of nearby new york city. but bergen has a notable city of
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its own. hackensack. just outside downtown is the county's legal district, home to its courthouses and the bergen county jail. >> it's a state of the art facility. we currently have 277 sworn officers here as well as 58 civilians. >> plus 900 male and female inmates. most have only been charged with crimes and are awaiting trial and the resolution of their cases. >> we all here man. we're in the belly of the beast. >> many of those cases are resolved within days. but others can drag on for years. a challenge for those inmates is learning how to cope with monotony and confinement, fear and anxiety. [ screaming ] >> some meet the challenge better than others. >> dixon!
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>> inside one of the jail's high-security units, inmate paul dixon is having a difficult time. >> paul, nobody's hurting you. just put your hands through so we can get you out of here. >> dixon is naked in what is known as a single-person special management cell. he was placed there earlier in the day due to erratic behavior. his clothes were replaced with a tear-proof gown to prevent self-injury. >> originally he was in a mental health housing unit, and he was medically cleared through a psychiatrist, and he was put in the general population. he lasted about ten minutes. he was flipping out. brought him back to medical. they placed him on special management. >> put your hands through. nobody's hurting you. paul, put the gown on. paul, i'm trying to make it easy. you're not going to get hurt! >> sargent turry has decided to
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remove dixon from his cell and place him in a restraint chair so he can be safely evaluated by medical staff. >> paul, relax. >> for legal reasons, jail policy is to videotape incidents such as this one. >> nobody's hurting you. listen, nobody is hurting you. okay? relax. >> go right there. >> nonviolent. we're taking him to intake. >> dixon is back in jail on a parole violation. he had been sentenced to 101 days for third degree theft. he's had prior convictions for theft as well. >> please don't put me in there. >> we have to put him in the restraint chair until he calms down, gets evaluated by the medical staff, and we'll take it from there. >> paul, nobody is hurting you. we're here to help you. all right? relax. look at me. the nurse is going to come in, check you out. everything's going to be fine.
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just relax. relax, man, relax. >> this is for the safety of himself, staff, the institution. it's basically a cooling off period supervised by a custody staff. medical checks him out. >> roughly an hour later, the officers return. dixon has calmed down, and they feel he's now ready to be moved back to his special management cell. >> we're going to take you out of the chair. we're going to bring you to south one. >> i want to stay in the chair. >> it's not what you want. you don't get what you want. this is -- you know, you can't stay in the chair. >> i can't be in that room. i'm claustrophobic. i feel crazy in there. i can't breathe. if you put me in medical, in the suit, i won't say a word. please, i'm scared of that room. it's so small. it makes me feel crazy. >> it's the same size room. you have a window where you can see the outside. in medical, you have no window.
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>> please. i'm not lying. i'm starting hearing things and everything. >> going over there, you chill out, you eat something and you come down and you'll be all right. >> dixon continues begging to be housed elsewhere. but after several minutes of coaxing, he agrees to return to his cell. >> like i said, you'll see mental health tomorrow. >> in a nearby cell is edwin estrada, a friend dixon met during prior stays here. estrada says he didn't know dixon was on the unit until he was awakened by his anguished cries. >> i hopped off the bunk and my port was open. so i looked, and i couldn't really see his face, but i remembered his voice. i'm like that's paul dixon. i know him. >> estrada was surprised that dixon, who's been to jail numerous times before, was so distressed. >> i'm not saying he was faking it or anything like that. but sometimes you really do stress out here. there's people that are not
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built for this. >> estrada is going through some stress of his own. several weeks earlier, he pled guilty to aggravated manslaughter for killing an 88-year-old world war ii veteran. the victim lived alone and was killed in his home. he was described by his family as a vibrant and active great graf grandfather. >> i don't want to go down for what happened. i don't want to spend the rest of my time in jail. >> what had happened was i was smoking angel dust, and i had ended up in one of my friend's grandfather's house. angel dust gets you really paranoid, and i went crazy. i lost my mind. i went into the kitchen, and i had grabbed a pan. i hit him twice or three times. the velocity of was so fast, was so hard, that the pot in itself was bent. it was bent in.
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i heard him yell, turned around, and i started running. and i remember the only thing like i really do remember was me grabbing like the wallet that he had left on the table. >> six days after the attack, estrada was arrested when he attempted to use one of the victim's credit cards. the man regained consciousness but died 11 days later in the hospital. he was able to tell authorities that he was sitting on his couch watching tv and was attacked from behind. estrada was originally charged with first-degree murder. in a deal with prosecutors, he pled down to aggravated manslaughter and was sentenced to 27 years in prison. but then his case took an unusual turn. estrada's deal was approved by a judge who was sitting in for the presiding judge while she was on vacation. when the presiding judge returned, she overturned the deal. she was swayed by complaints from some of the victim's family members that 27 years was too light a sentence for such a
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brutal crime. >> the judge, she's more towards the family, and i understand you have to be sympathetic towards the family. they had stated that i was a monster, that i would go out there and kill somebody again. >> estrada will soon return to court to find out if the judge is open to a new plea deal or will make him stand trial for murder, a crime punishable by life in prison. >> the judge, she just wants me to do life. if it goes to trial, i'm screwed. >> coming up. >> islam teaches about paradise. that sounds good. right now it sounds good. >> edwin estrada seeks a new religion. and a talented artist with a gruesome past. >> when i finished, i said what i going to do now? if you had a dollar for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save you by switching, you'd have like a ton of dollars.
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county jail in hackensack is a very different world. in the maximum security unit, surprise searches for contraband are a regular part of life. >> shakedowns here in the bergen county jail are performed on a continuous but sporadic basis. >> spread your legs. >> i don't personally like they get too comfortable being anywhere. i consider it my house. you're a visitor. you get in there and get too comfortable, too bad. >> we're looking for contraband. anything that doesn't belong. >> can be used as a weapon. >> contraband can go as far as a weapon, and it also goes to excess. inmates are able to buy newspapers on commissary. if they have 50 weeks of newspapers, it's got to go. >> these guys are here usual ly
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for long term so they accumulate more stuff. >> today, julio will lose some excess items in his cell. inmates are only allowed two pencils. anything over that is confiscated. >> how many pencils do you think you lost here today? >> i lose like six, seven pencils. it's very important, the pencils. >> flores relies on pencils to create his art. it brings a small touch of beauty to an otherwise stark jail cell. he says it's a talent he discovered in prison. >> god helped me to draw. i never draw in this way. god really showed me his favor. even when you are a killer. >> flores may believe his art comes from god, but says he was on his own five years earlier when he strangled his 28-year-old ex-girlfriend. >> i remember the word she said. god, give me another chance.
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>> while you were choking her? >> yeah. i said, god is not here. >> flores kills his ex-girlfriend inside his bronx new york apartment. he pled guilty and received a sentence of 19 years to life in a new york state prison. now he has been extradited to new jersey to stand trial for a related crime. >> so why are you in new jersey? >> for bringing the members, human. >> the body parts? >> body parts. try to hide them. >> flores admits that after he murdersed his victim, he dismembered her body. >> when i finished to kill her, in a moment, i says, what i going to do now? because something come in my mind and says, you know what? now you got to disappear the
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body. >> flores placed the body parts inside plastic bags and drove them to a vacant home in bergen county, new jersey. he then placed the bags inside buckets. >> how many buckets? >> four buckets plus the big buckets. five buckets for all. i used the cement too, concrete to put, you know, all over in the buckets. >> the owner of the house happened to stop by, found flores in the front yard, and questioned him. >> i said, listen, man. i got some body there. >> he look at me, what? >> yeah. i killed my ex-girlfriend yesterday. >> now in addition to his conviction for second-degree murder, flores is charged in bergen county with desecration of human remains. [ speaking spanish ] >> though he's openly admitted to the act, this time he's pled
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not guilty and will soon stand trial. he says god led him to that decision. >> why are you always smiling in the newspapers? >> in the moment, he forgive me my sins, and i feel all my guilt is out of me. i am so happy. i don't live with bad memories no more. i believe she is already free. god is love. >> while flores may face incarceration for the rest of his life, paul abdul wiggens hopes that his days in jail are nearing an end. >> how much time have you done in this jail? >> about 31 years. >> off and on, yeah. >> so you got 19 years on me. >> yeah. >> wiggens has pretty much been a regular at bergen county since age 18. the jail no longer has his earliest mug shots on record, but wiggens says whether the conviction was for robbery, theft, possession, or dealing,
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all his crimes have centered around a voracious drug addiction. >> so this is every time mr. wiggens has ever been incarcerated in this facility, and it's 10, 20, 30, about 40 times. >> when he first comes in, it's on edge. >> yeah, because he's high usually when he comes in. >> he's coming off of drugs. >> he doesn't want to talk. he doesn't want to be bothered. he wants to be left alone. >> you know, he's dope sick. once he comes around, he thaws out. he's usually pretty good. he's one of our frequent flyers, you know? >> wiggens says that after all these years, he's finally had enough. >> next year, i'll be 50 years old, man. this is the time that i'm really starting to wake up to all the things that i've been through in life, and i'm finally at that stage where i see things so much clearer, man. i mean a whole lot clearer. >> wiggens is currently in jail on his latest drug possession
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conviction. this time, his judge gave him a choice. either serve five years in prison or enter a long-term residential drug rehab program. upon completion, he would be released on probation. wiggens is working with staff to get placed into a program. but until then, he must remain in jail. >> you know, sometimes it's difficult, man, to explain to people, you know, like how many times i've been in and out of this system. and it's sad really. now you see a guy that's anxious for change. i never thought i would live to see 30, but i'm here. i have a beautiful granddaughter that i'm crazy about. i want to be there when she graduates high school. i want to be there when she goes to college and graduates. i was tln't there for my daught. when i think about it, it hurts.
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she doesn't deserve that. i was afraid to change at one time because i was so comfortable being where i was at. it just became my everyday routine. but now i'm willing to take that challenge. >> wiggens, who works as an inmate food server, has spent so much time at bergen county, he's seen staff come and go and advance up the ranks. >> you know, there's lieutenants, captains, wardens. they was officers when i first started coming here. >> l.t. >> paul, what's up? >> 25 years ago, paul acake yoes was a rookie here. now a lieutenant, he's one of the jail's highest ranking officers. he's now wiggens his entire career and says the younger version was a handful. >> everything was a fight. >> yeah. >> and, you know, we wouldn't be standing like this with each other those years. he'd be fighting, rolling around on the ground. and it took him a while. but i do believe that everybody
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should be given an opportunity, and he told me, he said he never had an opportunity. so he's getting one now. and i think that if he walks the walk as he's talking the talk, he'll make it. yeah, i do. >> coming up. >> okay. why are you picking these programs? >> the program has a lot to offer me. >> paul abdul wiggens pleads his case to a skeptical staff person. >> i promise you i will not help you at all. >> then officers get to the bottom of paul dixon's breakdown. ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do.
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>> behind the walls of hackensack new jersey's bergen county jail, paul dixon recently had what appeared to be an emotional breakdown. he had just spent time in the mental health unit for a routine evaluation before being released to general population. a short time later, he began wailing and was placed in a restraint chair. >> i won't say a word. please, i'm scared of that room. it's so small. >> dixon later calmed down and
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returned to his cell. and now officers have determined the episode was not a breakdown but an act of manipulation. >> he definitely is manipulating the system. he was comfortable in the mental health housing unit, and once he was cleared for general population, he realized that it wasn't too comfortable over there. so now he's doing his best to get re-evaluated and get put back into mental health housing. >> how much was real, and how much was fake? >> um, all of it was fake basically. i just -- it was like a whole act that i was doing. >> why? >> so i could just get to the other housing unit. so i wouldn't have to come to either here or go to the general population. >> it's not uncommon for inmates to want to spend time in the mental health unit. there are no cells, fewer inmates, and it's a quieter setting. >> i just like it to be quiet where i could watch tv. >> you're a heck of an actor.
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>> thank you. >> yeah, i seen a lot of people throw temper tantrums before, say that they're hearing voices and suicidal and all that. if you're going to do something, you got to play it out to the fullest. >> while officers say they won't take risks if an inmate appears to be in a state of distress, it's not the first time they've heard one cry wolf. >> you kind of get to know after a while who is pretty much playing a game and who's for real, you know? it kind of becomes like a spidey sense so to speak. >> dixon never made it back to the mental health unit, but he said he's glad to be free of the restraint chair. >> trust me, no one could get out of that car seat. i don't care if you're houdini. you can't get out of that thing. >> inmates in this housing unit are only released from their cells a few at a time. they can visit with each other when they're out. >> what's up, man? >> now dixon's old friend,
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estrada, has stopped by. >> you was going crazy, bro. you was going bre serk. they pulled you out naked, see your little [ bleep ]. >> estrada, who had admitted to killing an 88 yl-year-old veter with a kitchen pan, is awaiting to see if he will get a plea deal or stand trial for murder. his original plea deal was overturned by a judge for being too lien yepenienlenient. >> what did they talk about giving you? >> life. >> are you serious? >> yeah, bro. >> they can't give you life for that. >> yeah they can. it was a murder. >> how old was the dude? >> he was old. >> estrada has confessed to killing the man, a fact he knows could hurt him at trial and possibly result in a life sentence if found guilty. but he's equally concerned about what happens after. >> i'm really afraid. i don't want to spend the rest
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of eternity in hell. we're all going to die one day, but it's like where are you going to go? you know what i'm saying? >> estrada was raised catholic but says now he's trying something new, the religion of islam. >> i'm religion shopping. >> so you're just going to go through every religion possible? >> maybe. maybe whichever one i'm hungry for, you know. >> and of late, estrada has been hungry quite a bit. it is the start of the muslim holiday of ramadan which requires fasting every day at sun down for a month. >> i never ate that bologna sandwich. i feel more towards peace with islam because for some reason it's helped me settle my anger. islam teaches about paradise. right now it sounds good. i really don't want to go to
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hell. >> you told me he want to be muslim. i said, all right. it's fine. >> edwin estrada struggles with his new religion. and the jury returns a verdict for julio flores. >> i'm so happy. really, i'm so happy. something touched me here. ♪ these hands were made to work so i can't waste time with stripped or rusted fasteners. that's why i love the craftsman extreme grip line. screwdrivers with diamond- coated tips deliver 4 times more grip than standard ones... and sockets that fit snug on rounded bolts for 14 times more gripping power to keep me moving. craftsman hand tools are protected by a lifetime full warranty. this holiday put craftsman at the top of your wish list. ♪
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>> the original bergen county jail, completed in 1912, looked for like an ominous castle compared to its modern replacement, which opened next door in 2000. paul abdul wiggins is one of the few inmates whose long record of coming in and out of jail spans both facilities. >> i'm a man of my word, sir. i got to keep my word. that's all i got. >> wiggins has had more than 40 stays at the jail and a litany of drug, theft and robbery convictions that he says all stem from addiction. >> it was something that i allowed myself to like when i should have been hating it at all times. >> now a 49-year-old grandfather, wiggins says he wants to change. >> i ask my creator to erase this taste from my mouth. take this taste away from me.
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i believe i'm strong enough now to fight that demon that's inside of me. >> wiggins' opportunity lies in his sentence for his latest drug possession charge. his judge has told him he can either serve five years in a state prison or enter an approved drug rehabilitation program at a halfway house and stay clean. >> i think that somewhere in his life, he's reached an epiphany, if you will. he realizes he can't do this. you can't do this your whole life or else you wind up dying in here, or your family dies while you're in here. and i think that that's become very real to him as he's gotten older. >> wiggins' ability to get into a drug program lies with dawn breeden, who has tried to help him in the past without much luck. >> all right. i'm going to see, mr. wiggins. >> breeden is the jail's inmate advocate. part of her job is matching inmates with community
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resources. but breeden has a problem with wiggins' request. >> he's islamic, and he wants to go into a christian program. that's a problem. i know from my past experience if someone who is of a different religion goes tiinto a christia program, they usually have a problem following the spiritual guidance there. that's why i want to find him some place that will be more amenable to his faith. >> if you look at it and stop looking at half of the picture -- >> i'm looking at the whole picture. >> no, you're not. >> yes, i am. >> you're not seeing it like i'm seeing it. >> right. that's the whole problem. you ain't been seeing it right for the past how many years? >> that was a low blow. >> you just -- >> that was below the belt. >> okay. why are you picking these programs? >> why? because the program has a lot to offer me. >> but the foundation that your faith is built on, the foundation -- okay? >> that's the only thing we can
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go on. >> but it's your foundation. >> you know i don't want to go there, miss dawn? because that's my old stomping grounds. i'm too familiar with all that. i need to be somewhere where i don't know nobody, i don't know where i'm going. >> everyone wants to see him try harder this time. and like he said, he's done this before. so i want to give him a good start. i'm going to call the salvation army program. i'm going to ask them if they will accept someone who is islamic. if they say no, i'm going to let them know to take him off their list. now, if you come back here again under any circumstance, i promise you, i will not help you at all. no matter how many lieutenants, captains, or anybody comes and says, you're going to help him, right? >> you know the sad part about it, i believe. >> i'm telling you the truth. >> i believe. i believe you. >> okay. >> as wiggins waits to find out
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if he'll be accepted into the program, he continues his job as a food server. this week, that might be more challenging than usual. wiggins is observing the month-long islamic holiday of ramadan and must fast until sundown. he converted to islam during a jail term and took the name abdul. >> abdul means servant, like serving god. when i'm doing right and living right, i'm god's servant. that's why i chose that name. >> about 10% of the inmate population is muslim. and for those who request it, the jail provides halal meals, which meet the religion's dietary requirements. >> it's blessed, like the kosher. >> we've got to wait for another list. so i know estrada. he can't wait. look at him.
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he can't wait to eat. >> i haven't eaten in 19 hours, man. it's driving me crazy. >> edwin estrada says he embraced the religion because among other things, he fears going to hell as taught by his catholic upbringing. islamic inmate has served as a mentor but says he has to keep an eye on estrada. >> i got to watch him because he ask me for canteen. let me fast. i said here, you got to fast. >> estrada said he hoped he would find peace in islam, but now he's not so sure he's cut out for him. >> i just thought i not going to do it. >> i've been telling you that. nobody can force religion to you. i've been telling you that. you know, you wanted to -- you told me you want to be muslim. i said, all right. that's fine. but then you act all -- >> i'm just too immature is just
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the bottom line. i can't wake up every day at 4:00, wash my hands, wash my feet, everything and pray and then i got to do it again three hours later, all of that. it's just too much discipline for me, you know. i'm done with that. i don't want to act like i'm somebody that i'm not no more. you know what i'm saying? and i'm not going to do it. you're not going to catch me praying at 4:00. >> you just answered my entire time i was telling you. >> you're not going to catch me at 4:00 a.m. praying, facing that way. you see what i'm saying? >> you see it's not in that way. >> it's my fault. it's been a while since i prayed. >> you probably never did. >> outside the unit, wiggins continues his food delivery route. he only delivers trays to the door of each housing unit, and that's a big relief, especially when it comes to one unit. >> i just bring it to this door, and that's it. it's a wrap. i don't go in there. lockdown.
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max. that's max right there. them are killers in there. i'm not a killer. >> one of those convicted killers is julio flores. after strangling his ex-girlfriend inside his bronx, new york apartment. he pled guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 19 years to life in a new york state prison. because flores was actually arrested in new jersey, with the woman's body parts concealed inside buckets, he was extradited to bergen county to stand trial on an additional charge, desecration of human remains. earlier today, it took a jury less than two hours to find him guilty. >> so tell me about when you first heard the verdict and what your reaction was. >> he couldn't believe me because i'm so happy. i'm so happy. something touched me, and i can't explain. i feel like happy. i can't explain. it's out of this world, and all people look at me like crazy. >> you're at peace?
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>> yeah. i'm right in the hands of god. >> flores was sentenced to 20 years in the new jersey state prison system, which he will only serve if he is ever released from prison in new york. ironically, he could serve a longer sentence for desecrating his ex-girlfriend's body than he will for murdering her. >> are you so sure, though, you've been forgiven for your crime? >> of course. >> you think you'll see your victim in heaven? >> that's not depend on me. >> do you want to see her in heaven? >> if god wants, it's all right. >> what would you say to her? >> what i going to say to her? if i see her in heaven? i think everybody when they go to the heaven is already forgiven, so you don't need to ask for forgiveness. just hold and love them. just say like god love you, and that's it. what i going to say? i'm sorry for kill you or something? no, you don't need it because it's already done.
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>> coming up. >> inmate estrada came to be earlier about feeling depressed. he suggested if inmate sanchez can be his bunky. >> edwin estrada requests some company but might receive more than he bargained for. >> i've never seen anyone clean like that man cleans. if i was able to take him home, i would take him home and allow him to clean my house because that's how good of a cleaner he is in here. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around. aren't you lactose intolerant? this isn't lactose. it's milk. ♪
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cell. now he's on his way back to general population and says he's changed his tune. he's also gotten his clothes back. >> i guess i was in the chicken suit, graduated back to the orange uniform, you know, behaved, did pretty good. >> how does it feel to be in this? >> much better. i learned that if i ever do come back, which i'm not going to come back to jail, i'm going to do it the right way and take it like a man. it's not worth putting these guys through all types of hell. >> dixon is in jail on a probation violation for third degree theft but will soon be going home. >> i went to court today, and they granted me time served, and they terminated my probation. so i'm waiting a little bit. probably another hour or so, i should be going home, you know. now i can see my kids, see my family again, and work my way up. get back into school and be successful and accomplish things in life. i'm too old to be coming to
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jail. so take that advice and don't come to jail. >> dixon's friend edwin estrada faces the possibility of never living in the free world again. he will soon appear in court to learn if his judge will entertain another plea deal or order him to stand trial for allegedly killing an elderly man with a kitchen pan. >> i really do feel bad for what happened. inside it's hard to live with. at first when i first got here, i was sort of in denial. i was like, you know what, i don't need to be here. but in the back of my head, i'm like somebody died. i need to pay for what happened. that's the reality of things. i messed up so much in my life that at some times, it's like could it get any worse, you know. i really don't think it can get any worse from now. i don't want to say that and jinx myself, but that's how i feel. >> estrada had hoped that his conversion to islam would help relieve his stress, but he
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recently decided that it wasn't for him. so now he's looking for other ways to cope. >> i don't know. i feel like a need a bunky. i'm just losing my mind being by myself. you want company. you need somebody to talk to to express how you feel. >> inmate estrada came to me earlier about feeling depressed, not talking to anybody. he suggested if inmate sanchez could be his bunky. if it helps estrada in any way, then it helps me out because, you know, i got a lot of things going on. we don't want any suicide attempts and stuff like that. >> grab your stuff. you're going to 48. >> now? i need to clean the room. the room is dirty. >> no. he cleaned. >> oh, yeah? >> alfredo sanchez is known at the jail for being clean, gentlemen cleavery clean. >> i've never seen anyone clean like that man cleans. >> i was going to clean the whole room because sanchez is coming. my mom always told me when you clean, it has like cleaner
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energy. you feel better and stuff. >> do you have any concerns about them bunking together? >> no, not at all because sanchez, he's a good worker. estrada, sometimes he still gets depressed, and they can watch each other. >> shortly after sanchez moves in, there's a problem. >> he thought the room was clean, but he didn't give me a chance to scrub the floor. so we got to do that when we come out right now. >> we got to clean. that's it. >> you see my toilet? my sink too. >> he's the cleanest man on -- >> you should see my toilet and the sink. not like that, bro. [ bleep ]. >> inmate sanchez is a unit worker. we need to keep the units as clean as possible, and he does the best job out of all of the workers that we have. so i use him as often as i can. he'll go in and scrub from ceiling to floor, and i mean the
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ceiling, the walls. then he takes the squeegee and the bunks get clean. all the metal gets clean. >> the smell is good. >> i'm telling you when he leaves, it's clean. i even allow him to clean the officers' bathroom because he does such a good job. if i was able to take him home, i would take him home and allow him to clean my house. that's how good of a cleaner he is in here. >> my mother tell me, he said your room clean? very clean? yes. >> so, edwin, did you count on this? >> no, i didn't. it smelled like a rat died in here. >> coming up. >> i'm working trying to get something like 15 to 20. >> i just want you to be realistic. >> a counselor tries to temper edwin estrada's high hopes before he heads to court to learn his fate. and -- >> two of my greatest fears is me dying in prison and my mother passing while i'm in here. i don't want that to happen. >> paul abdul wiggins stares
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>> compared to prison where the inmates have all been sentenced and know how long they will serve, life in jail is a world of uncertainty. >> spread your legs. >> but nearly every day, resolution arrives for someone. >> all right. we're going to take you out of the chair and take you to south one. >> i can't be in that room. i feel crazy in there. >> paul dixon put on a show in order to manipulate his housing assignment. >> listen, i'm telling you right now. you're going to south one, and if you cause problems, you're going to end up back in the chair. >> it didn't work. but one month after that incident, he's a free man. >> paul dixon, you violated probation for the original charge of third degree theft and was released yesterday. >> dixon will still be on probation, but now he has another chance to make it on the outside. the future seems less bright for
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his friend, edwin estrada. after admitting to killing an 88-year-old man by striking him numerous times with a kitchen pan, estrada's plea deal of 27 years was revoked by a judge who decided the sentence was too lenient. estrada is hopeful for a new plea deal, but he also faces the possibility of going to trial for murder and a potential life sentence if found guilty. helping him through is, his mental health clinician, jackie gil. >> because edwin is facing serious charges and his case has taken some twists and turns we didn't expect, i've been seeing him the whole time he's been here. >> what's up, jackie? >> good morning. we've just worked with the possibility of life. that's the reality, that he is going to prison for a long time. so to skirt around that issue would do him a disservice. >> i'm working trying to get something like 15 to 20 with this new attorney. >> that would be a lot different
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than -- >> i'd be happy. >> -- than what we planned for in the past. >> i would be content. >> how realistic do you think that option is, the lower? >> the lower number? >> i just want you to be -- you know, we've talked about this all the time is being realistic with what the situation is and realistic of all the possible outcomes. >> yeah. >> so, you know, whereas 15 to 20 would be great, we've also talked about 28, and we've also talked about 40 and life. >> that's crazy. >> it is crazy but -- >> there's no way i'm going to accept a plea deal for 40. i might as well go to trial. you know, that's crazy. i'm not going to do that. like you say, you have to be realistic. at the same time, i need to look at both sides, you know what i'm saying? i have to look at being realistic, and at the same time, i have to look at being hopeful and stuff. >> there's always hope, but it's a slippery slope because you don't want to bash their hope or hinder their hope, but you got to balance it with the reality.
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>> hopefully everything goes well because i can't do -- i can't do life. >> the next day, estrada leaves jail for the court hearing that will change the rest of his life. >> the victim's family, i guess they want me to do life. if i was in their position, i could see where they're coming from, but i just don't think, you know, i deserve to do life. >> just before he enters the courtroom, estrada is summoned to a private meeting with his attorney, where he will presumably learn his fate. moments later, he has his answer. >> there is no deal today. they want to bring me to trial, and i'm fine with that, you know. >> i thought earlier you said you weren't? >> i guess i can't do anything about it, so i have to accept the fact that i'm going to trial. if i lose, i end up getting probably life.
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>> estrada was 18 when he was arrested for this case. >> watch your step, gentlemen. watch your step. >> the same age as paul abdul wiggins when he first came to jail on an armed robbery charge. that was 31 years ago, and wiggins has been in and out of jail 40 times since then. but he says now he's finally ready to take advantage of the opportunity afforded him to do better. though she had some concerns about his muslim faith being a good fit, inmate advocate dawn breeden was able to place wiggins in a christian-based halfway house where he will receive drug counseling, job training and life skills programs. >> today the lieutenant called me down and informed me i was going in the program, and i should be leaving sometime next week. i'm just hoping the program is right for me and it will do me some good because this ain't doing me nothing. >> this is your first program. all the years you've been going
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. investigators are trying to figure out what prompted a man to start shooting at police in hackensack. >> a crime involving law enforcement, we take more personally. >> a police shootout leaves an inmate in the hospital with 14 bullet wounds and two other men are arrested. >> i didn't shoot the cop but i sold the gun. >> he had this thought in his head that he wanted to kill
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