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>> the dog is a loser. frankly i pity it. this dog did bad deals this dog is an idiot. and poor mr. bear must feel like an idiot valeting his pt cruiser. oh the places you'll go on your yacht, on your plane with your suits from milan and your wives from ukraine or the buildings you'll bimd or the wealth you're ammass or the people all around you kissing your ass. there's two kinds of people which one had you rather be? a loser like them or a winner, would you like to finish? >> like me. >> oh my god. that was good. good morning everyone. >> wow. >> it's thursday. >> did you get that yet? >> george is getting that for
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christmas. >> i want to read that. he and i connected. >> you did. >> i like him a good bit. he's intuitive. what an elegant young lady. >> hey, by the way, we have an update breaking news, mark halperin not here. he was at the airport trying to bring some contraband in from the airport. he's on the phone. where are you? >> are you okay? >> i'm just excellent. i'm getting close to 30 rock. i'm in an undisclosed location in manhattan with my contraband and i'll be there soon. i'm straight from the donald trump rally in arizona. >> okay. are you bringing something for me? >> he's bringing something for
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everybody. >> something for everybody. you can't get in new york city, the city you can get everything. >> i know what it is. did you put them through tsa screening? >> the problem is everybody wanted it. >> that's a problem wherefore you go, mark. everybody wants it. i'm glad you're getting close to us here. >> welcome to morning joe. here to start things off is treasury official. >> glad he's here today. >> and political reporter from the washington post robert costa as well. >> let's talk about the story. the federal reserve finally did something that did months of speculation by announcing it was going to raise short term
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interest rates. this was nearly the first time in a decade they had done that. they really signal a historic turning point. they intend to raise rates gradually only if the economic growth turns. what's the short term impact? >> the short term impact is small. this is adjustable. if you're a saver, the interest rate should be up from your bank, whatever would go up a really bit. it's not going to have a material effect. as you said it, it's a symbolic first move reversing nine years of flat interest rates and setting the stage for increases in the future. >> the good news is obviously, the economy strong enough to handle it according to the feds for the first time in a long time. >> this is a much debated subject. we have charts later that shows
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this. the private sector is not as convinc convinced. >> the charts lighter. >> no. idiot. can't wait. >> i can't wait. >> i can't wait. >> the charts are hot. >> the charts are hot. >> lawmakers introduced a sweeping year end spending and tax break package that breaks through a budget limit with $66 billion in new spending for 2016. the deal itself is worth over a trillion dollars and includes an array of tax benefits which will reportedly add over a half trillion dollars to the federal deficit. the house will vote on the deal tomorrow. president obama is expected to sign it. >> a lot of good things on this deal actually. i like the way they ended the oil expand.
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i love the fact they ramped up spending. that is a top priority. the biggest problem is something you as a democrat and me as a republican have been concerned about for a long time. that is whenever you do these sort of deals at the end the deficit always goes up and we just added about $500 billion to an already $19 trillion debt. >> so i agree with you on your first two points. really on everything. the fact is they put $66 billion of extra spending in for this year and $500 billion of tax cuts of one sort of another how fast you get to appreciate your
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resources. >> there's a lot of junk in there and a lot of stuff you wouldn't want to have. >> i did. it's early in the morning. >> i thought it was interesting the bank whose always got a poison pen out for everybody. he's a tough writer. he talked about a lot of the republican presidential candidates making fools of
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themselves. paul ryan did make a difference and there was an all out war on capitol hill. >> that was his deal when he became speaker. >> he's also still riding a great wave of feeling. there's a lot of stuff on the bill that people on the far right don't like and there's a good feeling down there toward him. everybody swallows and says let's do this one. >> the red rick hetoric encount everything. >> this is the last line from that piece.
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>> let's go to politics. >> all right. fresh off his debate performance tuesday night donald trump flew into arizona for a campaign rally with thousands inside an airport hanger. look at this entrance. with less than seven weeks to iowa trump talked about his campaign and said he could deal without the support of jeb bush. >> everywhere i go i have crowds like this. we have the biggest crowds by far because there's a movement going on, folks. this isn't let's go have a great time. someone said trump's a great entertainer. that's a lot of bull [ bleep ]. we have a message. the message is we don't want to let other people take advantage of us. last night i had jeb come at me. low energy. i'm standing there and all the sudden i hear this donald trump
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did this. he said it just the way his pollster told him to say it. he's spent over $40 million for adds. he's at two. donald trump to this point has spend $211,000. i don't know why i spent it. i have endorsements from incredible people. the people i want. i don't care if a guy like jeb bush never endorses me. it wouldn't bother me at all. i think it's a negative. i hope you go out and vote. we have a little structural problem where the republicans have a disadvantage at an election. unless it's going to be a movement type of event where we can run the table on them. unless it's going to be something like i see happening, look at you in the middle of the
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day, you don't want to be here sitting in a hanger with thousands and thousands of people. something is going on and it's beautiful to see. >> you know, first of all, something is going on. >> yeah, it's been going on for a long time. >> it has but it's kicked into over drive for the past week. maybe it's the muslim comments, maybe it's just the momentum of the past six months. maybe it's that a lot of undecideds have decided nobody's going to step forward. donald trump is now leading another 20 point lead. he's in the 40s, 38, 40s in the latest georgia poll. this guy is averaging 40 in just about every poll out right now. something's happening. >> he's, our assessment
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yesterday was jeb bush and chris christie did well in the debate. if you look at a series of polls on who won the debate americans say it's donald trump and it wasn't close. there is something going on that the media is in denial about. he's withstood all these controversi controversies, he's gotten stronger through them and watching candidates one by one fall by the wayside. people with more resources and been in the game longer in single digits and all he does is keep rising. >> robert, i think most telling and i can't believe it's happening. i saw the news unfold yesterday throughout the day and i can't believe it's happening. >> the entire news sites where the guys in second, third, fourth, fifth place tearing each
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other's eyes open. you don't catch the guy in first place by everybody underneath the guy in first tearing him up. why's this happening? when his campaign began to rise was back in august. he's taken it ever since then. you think about cruz's problems now being asked about legalization and rubio's problems being tagged to the 2013 bill. let's talk about again the biggest fights yesterday between ted cruz and marco rubio.
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it's getting ugly and both guys are scoring it. these two guys are fighting each other. >> he is a favorite for some, rubio, but he doesn't have a state yet and that may be a problem for him moving forward. >> that's been a problem for a long time. he's not showing up in iowa and new hampshire. he's not a candidate in the deep south. that's the question people. >> trump's rejection of jeb bush
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came after reports bush would not say he would back trump as a nominee. they banned the strategy that could result from bush being dropped in south carolina, kentucky and utah. it seems like everyone's sitting there head strong but say what i don't think. say what you think. >> hawks now flying freely. before we have you talk about
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it, let's hear some of the more hawkish candidates and how they sound at the debate. >> you're an american citizen and you decide to join up with isis, you're going to be treated as an enemy combat. >> we need strength. >> we have to go massively like we did in the first gulf war where we destroyed the ability to take kuwait. we need to have a coalition that will stand for nothing less than the total destruction of isis. america is at war. our enemy is not violent extremism. it is not some unnamed force. it is radical islamic terrorist. isis and radical islamic terrorism will face no more determined foe than i will be. we will utterly destroy them by targeting the bad guys. >> yes, we would shoot down the planes of russian pilots if
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they're stupid enough to think this president is the same weak link we have in the oval office right now. >> bob, the debate and the divide on hawkishness appears to be over. >> most party leaders tell me the mood echos the mood ahead of the 2002 election. they told me at that time you had a president to calm the party. >> by the way, i'm getting reports in, he's in the building
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and he's been inspected. he went through an x-ray machine. willie, you'll be glad to know the appropriate body cavity searches have been performed. >> you can't get this in new york city? >> why didn't he fly back on donald trump's plane? >> he was going to l.a. and he's coming here. >> is this the best pizza in america? >> one for everyone. good. >> so you've been up all night? >> how was the rally? you like it?
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t >> the most striking thing. i interviewed a lot of people before a rally. i've never viewed supporters that sounded as much like their presidential candidate. they all say exactly what he says. he's not owned by anybody. he's the only one who can stop hillary clinton. he's not politically correct and there's things, they all knew things we talked about here. insulted the reporter, john mccain and they said that's not -- they're totally focussed on him. this is not a casual thing for them. >> we notice the polls jump from
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the 20s. from the teens say july to the 20s and august and september slipping into the 30s in october, november we're now crashing over the 40 boarder in one poll after another. are you picking up even more intensity throughout or is it about the same? what's happening out there? >> i think nobody has been an alternative. i ask everybody if you don't like trump, who do you like. a few said i like cruz. a few said i like rubio. they just think he's the only one who can do it. why are cruz and rubio going after one another? their hope is he can be the only one standing against it.
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>> i heard what dave said. we should know. the secret service do the math. there were 7,000 people. they were delighted. it was the middle of the day. noon local time. >> a couple of weeks ago mika was concerned you felt the need to have herman cain in georgia. can i ask you why donald felt the need to have a sheriff at the front of his rally and just trashed it. he doesn't need that, does he. why would he reignite the debate when he's in the 40s right now on the way possibly to a general election? >> well, i think he's been
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noticed. second, the scarborough move. mr. trump is moving about 110 miles an hour. they don't think much about things that a normal campaign would say oh, this could hurt us. >> so he thinks i like him. >> trump is, he brought the rally at a guy who appeared whose son was killed by an illegal immigrant and trump understands emotion. the biggest thing in politics is emotion. trump brings emotion but so does sheriff joe to the con stitch -- rally. >> a guy whose said horrible
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things. >> there were people at the rally who were democrats who voted for john kerry and barack obama. if he were a normal candidate he would be talking a lot about the election already. >> now that we're into the holidays, we have a couple of weeks left and it's a one month sprint to iowa. can you see anything that changes the current dynamic that has donald trump way ahead? there's ted cruz and marco rubio. what changes the rates that haven't changed in the last five months. >> today the only two people to win iowa is trump and cruz. today, no one can win south
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carolina but trump. he's far ahead in south carolina. every campaign. >> nobody can win massachusetts right now. >> i think the key is new hampshire. he's ahead in new hampshire. without a doubt. new hampshire voters as we've seen can upset the race. often, we saw the democrats in 2008 they said against all odds we don't want barack obama to win the first two because if he does, it's over. new hampshire is the key in terms of who can change things. >> let's say cruz won iowa and let's say trump, you know, looks wounded and any of five other people could win it. ted cruz could win new hampshire with 23% of the vote. christie, bush, kasich, rubio. new hampshire is going to be a wild card. >> all right. we'll talk about this a lot
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28 past the hour. the pentagon acknowledged. i can't stop once i start. >> no, you can't stop. the pentagon now yesterday, the defense secretary used personal e-mail and personal e-mail account for government business during his first month on the job. the new york times reported they had 72 work related e-mails carter sent or received against
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their personal account. in a statement to the times as reviewing the e-mail practices earlier this year the secretary believes his occasional use for work related business even for routine administrative issues backed up to his official account was a mistake. as a result he stopped and further limited use of e-mail all together. but the white house and defense department officials tell the times he continued to use it for two months after reports surfaced about hillary clinton's use of the account. while the pentagon statement acknowledged the personal e-mail, one former aid to carter tells the times his staff feared he would be hacked. the paper also reports they declined to answer a question about whether or not he violated the policies. the one thing though, one difference that obviously people
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do you rule it out? >> i never supported legalization and do not intend to support legalization. >> that was one of the exchanges on tuesday night's debate between senators marco rubio and ted cruz on over where the texan stood on undocumented immigrants. cruz introduced an amendment to the measure which would eliminated a path to the
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citizenship but offered a root to legal permits and green cards for those in the country illegally. cruz said he never supported the bill last night. >> the fact i introduced an amendment to remove part of the bill does not mean i support the rest of the gang of eight bill. it was a mess. what the rubio campaign is trying to claim. >> that is not what you said. yahoo dug up these quotes. you said if the amendment were to pass, it would increase dramatically. a few weeks later cruz repeated belief. it's a compromise that can pass and you repeated later in princeton that if my amendment were adopted this bill will pass. it sounded like you wanted the bill to pass. >> of course, i wanted the bill to pass, my amendment to pass. it took citizenship off the
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table. >> why don't we bring in everybody else and see what they think. >> joining us now, casey hunt and in washington the washington postand nbc contributor. >> mark, is that the first time you've seen ted cruz stumble? >> he stumbled a little bit on this previously. that was not typical. neither of them have hands on this. rubio's hands are dirtier. rub yeah dio did a masterful jog to defuse his biggest link with republicans. >> the thing is, casey, it was a pois son pill. he knew is amendment was going
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>> it's damaging for two reasons. one it's danling with the people loyal to him already. it also hurts him with people on the fence. we were talking to conservatives, registered republicans, people who caucused before and not ready to caucus for cruz. their concern is he comes across as political. that's what they're dealing with iowa. >> again, i'm surprised that cruz has done everything right tactically. really stumbling over this. yes, you know what, i was trying to stick it to the democrats and trying to stick it to the main stream media so they couldn't write nasty headlines. i wanted to kill the bill, sessions wanted to kill the
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bill. marco rubio is a guy that stood with chuck and wanted the bill and somehow ted cruz is losing this debate. marco has managed to muddy the waters up. it's stunning to me that marco has somehow saying cruz is the same as immigration when nobody in washington believes that's true. >> at the time, two years ago ted cruz made a speech saying i wanted to bring these people out of the shadows. i don't know what the down side is at this point. just explaining the politics of it. i was trying to sink this. if you're here illegally, you shouldn't be here. that would make sense to his voters and supporters. >> rubio in the debate
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overshadowed. it's not possible now. that's basically jeb bush's position. somebody's going to come after him with paid adds on that point and then i think he'll be back on the defensive on immigration. for now, i think you're right. he's slammed cruz on this and produced that uncharacteristic weak performance. >> they will prooiivately say h was trying to project a path. i progressed cruz a number of times on this. i asked is legalization amnesty and he wouldn't answer. he seemed to change in the debate and go ahead and say that's the case. i had trouble digging that out. >> rubio's people are right. the best case scenario for ted cruz is you kill the bill with a poison pill and then turn around in a general election and say wait, wait i said i wanted this bill to pass and wanted to bring
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people out of the shadows. i put an amendment on the floor that would allowed it to pass and get immigrants out of the shadows and help contribute to the united states. pretty shrewd but now he's been called out by marco rubio. he's going to have to tell the truth in the primary or stick with the story in the general. >> it would require him to be cynical as held you would put it. the thing i find interesting is there's lots of candidates who have weaknesses and for one reason or another when you get hit with questions like the weaknesses, they're not prepared. we have that situation with jeb bush when faced with the iraq question and his brother, and here immigration both rubio and cruz have a problem in their work on the immigration bill and as you said, rubio, his hands
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are dirtier if you will with regard to republican primary base. rubio knows his weakness and was fully prepared to handle it. the fact that ted cruz is not ready to answer the question without stumbling is pretty spectacular. >> while you've been saying all that stuff, donald trump just called the control room and mark, he would like you to know 15,000 people were at this. >> hold on one second. i can't believe you would do what the lame stream media does and under estimate. >> what did i do? >> that donald said there were 15,100 people there. >> it was an extraordinary crowd. it was like a general election crowd. it was mass i and impressively staged and the people were enthusiastic.
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>> 15,100. i had the clicker right there, willie. >> if you look at the staging, you look at the purely aesthetic here. a plane pulling into the hanger with trump on the side. >> it was the theme to air force one. >> there were in las vegas the day before the debate. the scale of this event, the staging of it and the energy. >> that is one of the incredible things. trump is getting up to 10-15,100
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people. these other candidates trying to compete with him, sometimes rubio can't break a hundred, jeb can't break a hundred. cruz gets larger crowds but there's a stark difference isn't there in drawing power. >> extremely. >> so before we go to break i think you have to see one of these. up close and personal. propose a date that you and i take david to one of these with a small camera. please. i know he's a little mad at me. >> he's not mad at you. >> no, he's mad. i would like him to experience
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this. >> it would be good. i want to watch. >> casey, thank you so much. jonathan, stay with us if you can. coming up next we are joined with exclusive reporting. why did the obama administration not do that? >> who did that? >> music: "thunder clatter" by wild cub ♪ ♪ ♪ most weekends only last a couple of days. some last a lifetime. hampton. we go together. always get the lowest price, only when you book direct at hampton.com
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lay this out for us. what are we talking about, when did it happen and who said we're not doing it? >> great questions. we don't know who said no. we just have this breaking for the first time this memo out lining what everyone has been calling for, the review of social media, facebook, et cetera for people who are oply can'ts for visas. >> that memo is focussed on terror threats. >> it said national security can one of the reasons you would want to look at this. at this time we have a source, the former official who said not only was this not done but people in the customs offices had firewalls from preventing them to get on the sites. this was an attempt to do this. this went up the line, a year of reviews, it would authorize this type of access and try to create
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this program. it was ultimately not adopted. >> let me stop you there. you're telling us not only did the administration say no to this proposal to review social media accounts but they actually enacted firewalls to prevent people from taking a look at an applicant's social media page, facebook pages, twitter accounts. >> they existed to keep people from goofing off on the job. fine, maybe for some but we had folks that prevented this type of review. i called and spoke to marsha there and she said the department is actively considering additional ways to dispute the ways. they don't dispute this internal memo and they also say they began pilot programs and willie was mentions it's something we talked about. what's interesting here is this is four years ago under review and not done. >> so if you were the attorney general or the president,
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whoever didn't do this or said no to it, what would be the argument against it? what's your best argument? >> one of the things we heard from folks involved in the policy making process is there was concern about privacy, civil liberties and the rules that do govern because this program while it effects the national applican applicants, it effects the u.s. residents. you basically have to have protections. that is a legal thicket and something people care about. obviously, i think the headline is if this is okay to do now which is what the administration is saying it's exploring, it's striking that years ago they couldn't get it done in moving forward. >> it's striking though they're concerned about private si for people out of the country that want to come into the country that have no privacy rights going through the process. >> that's right. if your a nonresident seeking entry from the united states, you don't have the kind of
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rights an american would have. in addition, the memo notes this. we're posting most of this on nbc.com. it even says look, if this is publicly available. >> here you post something on facebook there's no process of prief si -- privacy. >> that makes it complex. the big frustration from sources we spoke to and many who didn't want to be modified, there wasn't an interest in fixing this ordealing with this.
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>> the idea until there's a crisis i think is a point of public interest. >> and there was a person helping run the attack was actually praising isis and jihad on her facebook account. >> fbi officials said they're not clear how public it was. we don't know if the communications. a lot of things were frozen for a long time. >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. we're going to be looking through reporting throughout the day and on nbc.com. a new report suggests isis has been verse identified so well it could be keep running for years. we're going to talk about this with david. those new glasses?
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from jeb bush. donate $25 to the jeb bush campaign today and he won't send you an e-mail. for a a hundred dollars jeb will drop out of the race all together. >> jeb bush doesn't want to be here. >> i pay good money for the candidates to stop e-mailing me. are you getting e-mails? >> i think that's not happened to trump yet. >> welcome back to morning joe. still with us we have manager editor mark halperin. morning joe economic analyst steve ratner.
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aspen institute walter and associate editor for the washington post david ignacious. that intro was almost the whole show. we'll start with breaking news. we just learned federal prosecutors have decided to bring charges against markez. he's the neighbor of san bernardino shooters farook and malik. he told them he bought rifles for them as a favor so that farook would not have to go through background checks or be on the record. several law enforcement officials tell nbc news charges could be filed as early as today. meanwhile, president obama travels to san bernardino
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tomorrow. we also learned the two shooters responsible for the attack have been married. the burials took place tuesday. >> this markez kid they're going to incite really cooperated with the police. didn't get attorneys, just went right in and started talking and helped with the investigation. i wonder if they'll take that into account when they sentence him. >> one of the things they told them is he talked to farook in 2012 about a plot. maybe that's part of the problem with him now. he did cooperate. having provided the weapons for the assault and having talked with them previously about a terror plot seems to me. >> he went for mental health issues, right. didn't he check himself in. >> in the aftermath of the shooting. >> who knows, that was a break down. >> he seemed though to be disconnected even before if you read the stories in the years
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beforehand. >> that was the type of people to deal with these types of situations. you got to figure out the best way to navigate that. you want to immediately demonize every one. some of the people are right on the margins. >> yeah. exactly. >> well, the federal reserve finally did it yesterday and much speculation by announcing it would raise short term interest rates for the first time in a decade. an increase was widely expected and signals a historic turning point and only if economic growth continues. steve, the immediate impacts. >> the immediate impact pretty small. as you said it's just a quarter of a point. it's a symbolic turn for the d feds. this is now the fed has signals this is the beginning of increases.
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a little bit more but probably no disearnable effect on the economy. >> do we sing happy days are here again? is the economy rolling back? it's not rolling back but the feds doing this, we see some in the headline unemployment going down but you don't really see wages starting to go up and the inflation. they haven't gotten near 2.5% target. >> no, inflation down 1.3% at the moment. >> everybody waves their hands and yells and screams about the fed. could the fed have done this any better? this is pretty good, right. >> it's pretty good. it was a unanimous vote. both sides are happy. the more liberal left group is saying let's not raise them at all now. i think the fed did find the
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middle ground here. >> we're trying to make it in a world where we could have both sides a little unhappy. >> the one thing to know is the feds have been more optimistic about the state of the economy and path of interest rates. they believe interest rates have stayed lower for longer. >> david, we're about to take a turn and start talking about politics. before we do that, i want to talk about a piece you've been working on and something you've been looking into for some time for all the bluster coming out of the republican debate on how they're going to make isis pound sand. >> i don't hear details about
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what the special forces should have. i'm going to hear carpet bomb, isis areas. that's almost nonsensical if you did heavy bombing, it would make it harder to establish future governments in those areas. i don't hear people talk about the future shape of the region so we don't have continuing problems for the next 20-30 years. it would be really nice as the republican campaign moves forward if there was more clarity and more real strategic. >> now you say the heavy bombing. all the heavy bombing does is level cities and kill civilians and turn things up more. >> think if your task was to think about clearing and holding for the future the areas around raqqah in north eastern syria, if you end up with a pile of rubble and bitterly angry population, the chances of stabilizing that area is much
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less. republicans really do need to begin to take seriously. the white house does, why shouldn't they. >> according to a new report, bombing the oil infrastructure of isis will not be enough for the group's financing. several senior intelligence officials tell the times without a ground campaign it will be hard to stop isis from financing its corporations and paying us more than 40,000 fighters. unofficial estimated isis had enough reserves and income streams to keep the military operation stunning at current levels for three years. the investigation reveals isis makes close to 900 million a year. isis has seized parts of a libyan coast in an attempt to grab oil wells and established a headquarterers for northern syria strong hold. with two rival governments and no functioning army, living authorities have been powerless
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to stop the insurgent si. >>. >> david, yet another war to come back and haunt the united states. it looks like it is isis' more and more, back up plan. let's talk about the fact that this is a billion dollar enterprise if you look at the report that we just read. is there any way to stop that flow? is the financial times report right? the only way you stop that flow is by getting ground troops in there and breaking up the government and taking the land back? >> i think this is an area where bombing can be more effective as there's better intelligence. the limits on bombing the oil infrastructure of isis in syria have been largely political and it's time that they end. a lot of this oil goes out through turkey, our nato allie. that's one thing the u.s. has to look in the face.
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turks have been getting rich off the oil deals with isis effectively. a scary problem is libya. libya is a vastly wealthy oil state and if isis can put down roots in those areas and get some of that revenue, that's a much worse problem. >> steve. >> i will answer all that. isis revenues come from a lot more than oil. they have a tax system they put in place and get a couple million dollars a year from farming. they raided the iraqi banks and got money from them. they got a multiple set of stream of revenues they're financing off of which makes them different from the organizati organization. >> it's the effect of a great series they've been doing.
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exactly where it coming from, other ways they're hiring financial experts to run a pretty sophisticated treasury department and irs department there. it would seem to me and i'm no expert there must be multiple ways you could take down a financial system whether it's from cyber or stopping the flow of oil in turkey. this is a really important way, especially as they're going to try to do this and get in libya. >> and to david's point, the republicans want to offer opportunities or alternatives as opposed to criticism to the president's strategy. >> blow up the oil fields. blow up the entire infrastructure. they should have done it several years ago. they said it in real time they should have done it several years ago. i'm worried about people suffering, i'm worried about 12 will have year-old girls being
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sold in slavery. i'm worried about them using a billion dollars buying a nuclear bomb planting it three blocks over. we can clean up the oil wells and the oil infrastructure after they're driven out of there. that's a great place to start. we've got to take our gloves off and go to war. >> beyond that, a lot of the solution including what they said the ground troops. are we ready to do that? does this country want to put a lot of american men and women in there? >> no. you look at the polls and right now they do. >> the polls say that. do you believe when those first troops land in turkey or some
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place. >> now it comes to syria asan bernardino and another town near you. >> you probably don't need italians coming in. >> right. i agree with you there. it has to be part of an international force. >> you watch them say they're putting something together. that's what's got to happen. donald trump flew into arizona for a campaign rally for thousands at an airport hanger with less than seven weeks till iowa trump talked about his
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campaign and said he can do without the support of jeb bush. >> everywhere i go i have crowds like this. everywhere. because there's a movement going on. this isn't just like let's go and have a good time. someone said trump's a great entertainer. that's a lot of bull [ bleep ] i'll tell you. we have a message. we have a message and the message is we don't want to let other people take advantage of us. last night, i had jeb come at me. you know, low energy. he's at two.
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donald trump has been $211,000. i don't know why he spent it. we have a little structural problem where republicans have a disadvantage at an election. unless it's a movement type of event happening where we can run the table on them, unless it's going to be something like i see happening, look at you in the middle of the day you're sitting in a hanger with thousands and thousands of people, something beautiful's going on. >> you gave us color in our last hour. i'm wondering, we talk about this off air.
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is there a part of donald trump that still can't be done? he talks about getting off a plane and seeing people at noon in a hanger. >> both of those things are true. it's part of his success so far and part of why he got such ahead of speed which is because the people who wanted to stop him now didn't see what's happening. the people said they believe in his message exactly. they carried it back exactly.
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he knows on the other hand the answer is most of them are professional politicians and that's not the move of the republican electorate right now. >> you look at the debate two nights ago and what dynamic changed from the debate that would drive trump's numbers down. are we going to see much of a change between now and the end of the year based on what happened at the debate? these are the working class who rallied trump and frustrated
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with immigration and unhappy with what the country is doing in national security. a lot of these people are people who moved to arizona and they see their champion. it's the transplants everywhere. >> are you surprised the debate didn't move the ball at all in a way that would stop trump's momentum in a two week dead zone for the holidays? >> we've been talking for months about the rise to donald trump and his ability to sustain, not just sustain but to increase his support despite tons of really politically inappropriate racist things and i think he's been able to remain there because he's tapped into a very angry part of the republican party base that is angry for a lot of
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darkening. a lot of people supporting him and a low ceiling with a lot of people in the republican party still quiet antagonistic to him. that's what we'll find out in the next few months. >> thank you. and congratulations to your family. look at this baby grand daughter. >> that's my grand daughter and it's a wonderful moment. >> she's gorgeous. >> well, she's a nice little baby. >> she's perfect. >> perfect. >> i love it. >> she's absolutely perfect. congratulations. wonderful news. jonathan, robert, thank you as well. still ahead on morning joe, halley jackson caught up with
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marco rubio and will bring us that conversation plus rubio's response when she pointed out his plane was much smaller than donald trump's plus ted cruz and marco rubio dominated the debate but the new york times jeremy peters says there's another line developing and we'll be back with his report. (phone ringing)
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steve works closely with somebody who i can't imagine wakes up and looks in the mirror and says if this thing doesn't get so messed up with trump winning the nomination and hillary. >> i don't think mike or any other serious person wants to be a spoiler. the second problem is we have this little thing called the electoral college and unless you get 270 electoral votes it goes to the house of representatives where they're all republicans and democrats and if you run as independent. >> they don't vote as individual membe members. >> they almost elected hubert
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hump free and you sit back and wonder if a republican will not zwrump in the race and deny the victory to donald trump. i think yes. i think haley barber and a lot of the republican leaders would much rather hillary clinton be president of the united states and have donald trump represent them as a republican. >> he could be very, very well and still not coming in cleveland. >> then it gets ugly. i suspect if we keep going the way we're going right now where donald trump is skating by, he says 15,000 people while rubio and cruz are killing each other
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and christie is getting in the middle of the fray and kasich and establishment is chopping each other up, it's very likely mitt romney gets urged to run. >> he's ahead in 50 states. from massachusetts to georgia he's in the high 40s. >> you're all assuming he would lose. >> i think he'll lose sometime.
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>> a lot of people are going to drop out. he might pick up their support. >> why would mike or someone jump in and take a bullet for the party? they want to be president of the united states. the problem with michael blo bloomberg in 2012 is because it was all calculated and couldn't see how the numbers add up.
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>> if mitt romney jumped in today he would ride in a campaign in new hampshire and completely change the aura of who mitt romney is. he wouldn't be calculated and guess what, look at the polls, he would win. >> and the other person who would do something. >> and he couldn't get on the ballot in a lot of the other primary states. >> he could in 90% of the other states. it's probably too late to get in south carolina. all the big states after that, new york he could, connecticut he could, california i'm sure he could. he could get on enough to get 50% of the vote. >> i still think you have to look at that time possibility of a brokered convention and somebody like paul ryan. >> we'll get to halley after a break thanks to you, you and you.
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putin joins. >> it will be trump on one and putin on another. >> that will be one thing to bring him down. it's not our business to join the methods of popularity. >> really? thank you. >> the florida senator found himself in between a rock or hard place on the debate stage. >> we didn't talk about donald trump riding around in a golf cart shirtless. it was a wide ranging conversation. we talked about it. we talk bd about the missed
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vote. i'll tell you guys, it was a very different scene. take a look. >> donald trump sticking the landing on a victory lap like he's already the nominee after promising if he's not he won't run as an independent. >> i am totally committed to a republican party and feel honored to be the front runner.
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>> i do not intend to support legalization. >> cruz's counter punched aim at citizenship. part of the immigration reform he tried to pass in 2014. now a liability. >> do you regret having been a part of that prosncess? >> no, we can't do it comprehensively. >> our interview part of a fast moving day on the campaign trail. >> it's a good day between you and mr. cruz. >> in a state where he's campaigned less than ted cruz.
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both still sit behind the front runner fra runner nationally. there's donald trump and then everyone else. >> one of the things we talked about too and you guys have talked about on the show is the fact he's solid identifying this position. >> he may not like it and even though chris kritsty and folks like john kaskich may be the new hampshire rubio seems to be getting some sutd port in that lane. >> finally, good to have you. >> finally. let's go from washington to the new york times reporter jeremy peters.
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jeremy. it's interesting. we're all looking at the cruz and rubio battle but you're looking at another rip that you think may be the most interesting dynamic of this race right now. there's an interesting dynamic playing between christie and rubio. christie is making an attempt of painting rubio as low energy just like donald did the bush. he says marco doesn't come here and doesn't show up. that's the fight. it's the fight to be the nontrump in the race. it's almost as if there's two campaigns going on right now. there's the cruz trump race and the establishment race. the establishment race for once is splintered in all these different directions in new hampshire.
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christie, rubio, bush, kasich. >> a lot of conservatives and also the big winner of that, mark halperin again, donald trump. they're killing each other while trump is floating by. >> jeremy's right. there's now another context of both bush and christie and some trying to take rubio. i'll tell you now, i believe, different from what i thought up from now, this could be a two person race and the establishment may not have a candidate in the race. if cruz and trump are one two in iowa and one two in new hampshire and one two in south carolina and they're dividing the vote, there may not be a three person or four person race after south carolina and the establishment will be hard pressed to stop trump or cruz from getting majority at that point because there will be two guys. >> look how this lines up. you get cruz killing rubio, rubio killing cruz. christie killing rubio. paul going after rubio.
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jeb going after rubio. again, the establishment, they're just tearing themselves to sleds and the two winners are the two guys who signed the equivalent of the ribbon drop pack. >> it's smack in the battle for second or third place. when you watch that debate, jeb bush was the only one who tried to go after donald trump and did it a couple of times. i guess you know better than i do, the candidates are not effecting the strategy. everyone's whose gone after donald trump has slipped in the
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polls. if somebody does negative adds against trump with big money he'll come back at them with his own negative adds. >> which they don't want either. they don't want dond trump to attack them. >> thank you for that perspective. up next, the remarkable evolution that secretary of state john kerry has had about the future of syrian president. we'll go next to the state department and speak with the special presidential envoy. we'll be right back. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac srx. get this low-mileage lease
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has the ability to be able to lead the future syria but we didn't, you know, we focus today not on differences about what can be done immediately about isad, we focussed on a process, on the political process whereby syrians who have been making decisions for the future of syria. >> that was secretary of state john kerry after a meeting with russian president putin on tuesday act nonling a bit of evolution on america's approach. joining us from the state department is the special presidential enjoy for the global coalition to counter isil, bret mcgurk. and the washington post's david is back with us for the conversation. bret, i'll start with you. explain to us has there been an
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evolution in the approach? >> no, i think what the secretary the speaking to is the fact nobody wants to see a collapse of state institutions and collapse of the army, a collapse of the entire global structure. that would lead us to a world war in iraq in 2003. there's not only views with u.s. and rush she but all the countries together in what we call the vienna process. i think as a reflection of reality we all need to work together and keep the institutions in tact while we work on a political process that ultimately leads to a political transition. in vienna, for the first time since the series of wars started everyone is around the table and everybody agreed about three weeks ago on a process for transition and in new york, tomorrow, we'll be back together at the level to try to lock some of this down.
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>> so david, i'll let you take it to bret. i think people sometimes really can't make sense of the fact we might try and keep parts of syria's government in tact or keep isad there. >> we want to make sure that the principal is in tact. they met in saudi arabia last week and agreed we need to keep the institutions in tact. there's no future for syria and ending the war in syria unless they lead to the end of isad. they're trying to work on what a consensus of what it would look like. we deescalate the conflict between the opposition and regime in order to free up
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forces to focus on the extremist groups and isil. is this difficult? yes, it's extremely difficult. so the political transition in vienna. >> bret, just to ask, did secretary kerry hear anything from putin that would suggest that the russians are moving, that the russian position on isad's continued hold on power is changing enough that the political transition kerry is seeking might be possible? anything new? >> you know, dave, we have seen a shift in the russian views. if you go back to when they began their air campaign in syria, i was there in new york with secretary. they were aggressive they were going to come in syria and make a dramatic difference in a few weeks. that clearly hasn't happened. there was a real shift in their
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position. they were constructive and led to this extraordinary statement. something important happened between those two vienna meetings. first, their progress on the ground has not been what they expected and secondly, the metro jet shoots down ov. it can be serious in syria and they want to find a way out of it. we're having serious conversations with russia most of their air strikes are not against isil. since the attack, they have increased their air strikes against isil but not the extent we want to see. the meetings are important. it's a test to see whether we can mature this process in vienna. some of the signs we've gotten, the two meetings between obama and putin suggests we can make progress.
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it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5 a.m. out west. we have former treasury official steve rattner and political reporter for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. >> the federal reserve finally did something after months of speculation by announcing it would raise short-term interest rates. while the increase of a quarter of a percentage point was widely expected, it signals an historic turning point. officials make clear they intend to raise rates gradually only if this economic growth continues. steve what's the long-term impact and short term impact for consumers? >> short term, it's pretty small, it's a quarter of a percentage. if you have an adjustable mortgage, it will go up a bit.
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if you're a saver, your c.d. rate will go up a little bit. it's reversing nine years of declining and flat interest rates and setting the stage for increases in the future. >> and the good news is obviously the economy strong enough to handle it according to the fed for the first time in a very long time. >> this is a much debated subject. the private sector is not as convinced as the fed. >> lawmakers introduced a sweeping year-end spending and tax break package that breaks through a previously agreed to budget limit with $66 billion in new spending for 2016. the deal itself is worth over a trillion dollars and includes an array of tax benefits, which will reportedly add over a half trillion dollars to the federal deficit. >> i like the fact they ended
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the 40-year oil export ban. it's a brave new world as far as energy goes. we're on the forefront. we need to be able to sell oil across the globe and sell in some places where we'll be more money than we'll make here. i love that they ramped up spending for the national institutes of health. i think that is a top priority, should always be a top priority. the biggest problem, though, steve, is something you as a democrat and me as a republican have been concerned about as a very long time and that is whenever you do these sort of deals, at the end the deficit always goes up. and we just added about $500 billion to an already $19 trillion debt. >> i agree with you on your first two points. i actually agree on everything. they put $66 billion extra spending in for this year and $500 billion of tax cuts, including how fast you get to
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depreciate your race horses, joe. >> thank god. there's only one person at this table that has a stable of horses and it's not me. willie -- you walked into that one. >> in any event, the good news is they got deal done, they didn't have a shutdown, didn't have another round of brinksmanship but there's a lot of junk in there, a lot of tracks benefits for special interests. >> steve, i am very surprised you walked right into that. >> i did, i did. it's early in the morning. i'm not thinking clearly yet. >> i thought it was interesting, mika, that dana milbank, who always has a poison pen out for just about everybody, he's a tough writer, actually talked about a lot of the republican presidential candidates were making fools of themselves, that paul ryan is actually going about the business of governing.
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just think about this. let's talk about the biggest deal, we don't have a government shutdown. paul ryan did make a difference and there was an all-out war on capitol hill. >> i feel like that was part of his deal when he became speaker was i'm not doing this so you have to work with me. >> he also still riding this really great wave of good feeling. there's a lot of stuff in that bill that people on the far right, joe, don't like and people on the far left don't like but there's an air of good feeling toward him and everybody kind of swallowed and said let's do this one. >> he came out, for example, on the muslim ban immediately, he came out right when he got the job and said we have to be a party of solution, ngoing out t say he's going to be a different leader. >> and the presidential
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candidates are campaigning in hysterical thoughts. >> donald trump flew into arizona for a campaign rally with thousands inside an airport hangar with less than seven weeks until iowa, trump talked about his campaign saying he could do without the support of jeb bush. >> everywhere i go, we have crowds like this everywhere because there's a movement going on, folks. this isn't like let's just go and have a good time. somebody said trump's a great entertainer. that's a lot of bull [ bleep ]. i'll tell you. we have a message. the message is we don't want to let other people take advantage of us. last night -- oh, i had jeb come at me, you know, low energy.
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no, i'm standing there and all of a sudden i hear this "donald trump did this --." it's just like he said it just the way his pollster told him to say it. jeb bush to this point has spent over $40 million for ads. he's had two. two. donald trump till this point has spent $211,000. i don't even know why i spent it. have i endorsements from incredible people, the people i want. i don't care if a guy like jeb bush never endorses me. it wouldn't bother me at all. i think it's a negative. i just hope you go out and vote. we have a little structural problem where the republicans have a disadvantage at an election. unless it's going to be a movement type of event that i think is happening where we can
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actually run the table on them. but unless it's going to be something like i see happening. i mean, look at you in the middle of the day, you're sitting in a hangar, thousands and thousands of people, something is going on and it's beautiful to see. >> you know, first of all, something is going on. >> yeah. >> and -- >> it's been going on for a long time. >> it has but it's kicked in to overdrive over the past week. willie, maybe it's the muslim comments, maybe it's just the momentum of the past six months, maybe it's that a lot of undecideds have decided there is nobody in the establishment that's going to step forward. you have ben carson's collapse, maybe that contributed. but donald trump is now leading a reuters poll came out, another 20-point lead. he's in the 40s in the monmouth poll, 38 at abc news, 40s in the latest georgia poll. this guy is averaging 40 in just
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about every poll that's out right now. something's happening. >> our assessment yesterday that was jeb bush did well in the debate, that chris christie did well in the debate. if you look at a series of polls, america says it's donald trump won and it's not even close. there is something the media is in denial about. he's watching candidates fall one by one by the wayside, people who have been in the game l longer than he has and he keeps rising. >> robert costa, i saw the news unfold yesterday throughout the day and i can't believe it's happening. you've got donald trump ahead by 20, 25 points and the entire news cycle for 24 hours after one of the last debates where
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the guys in second, third, fourth and fifth place tearing each other's eyes out on the campaign trail. you don't catch the guy in first place by everybody underneath the guy in first place tearing him up. why is this happening? are they afraid to attack trump now? >> it's partly a testament to trump's sustained strength in the polls. the battle for republican is really a battle for second place. looking at those images from the arizona rally, joe, what a book end. a homecoming of sorts for trump. if you think of when his campaign began to rise, he's taking the immigration issue and he's taken it ever since then. when you think about cruz's problems now in immigration, you look at rubio's problems being tagged to the 2013 bill, the gop base still puts immigration and national security at the top of their list and that's pushing trump forward. >> you know, robert, let's talk about again the biggest
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political fights yesterday between ted cruz and marco rubio and it's getting ugly and both sides are scoring it. rubio's people put out a youtube clip yesterday that they thought helped him. i don't know that it did. i mean, it didn't help ted cruz either but, again, that was pretty much the dominant story yesterday, these two guys, number two and three, four fighting each other. >> you do have two freshmen senators, both with cuban roots, conservative favorites. they're full of ambition, they're battling each other. cruz has a better path based on my reporting in iowa. the question for rubio, where does he win early? he doesn't have a state yet. that may be a problem for him moving forward. >> that's been the problem for a very long time. where does he win? he's not showing up in iowa, not
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showing up in new hampshire. he's not a natural candidate of the deep south. >> trump's rejection of jeb bush came -- bush aides recently explored whether he could break his pledge to the rnc and declare himself opposed to trump after his recent campaign on muslims. the campaign abandoned the strategy once they concluded it could result from bush being dropped from the ballot south carolina, kentucky and utah. tuesday night trump said he would support the republican nominee, quote, with enthusiasm. >> what? >> i don't know. it seems like everyone is thinking so hard but just say what you think. say what you think. >> you can unleash a torrent of criticism and say everything but that. so, bob, you co-wrote a story on the front page of this morning's
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"washington post" saying "hawks now flying freely in gop nomination fight." let's hear some of the more hawkish candidates and how they sounded at the debate tuesday night. this is a change for the republican party. >> if you're an american citizen and you decide to joint up with isis, we're not going to read you your miranda rights. you're going to be treated as an enemy combatant. >> we have to go massively like we did in the first gulf war where we're destroyed saddam's ability to take kuwait. we need to have a coalition that will stand for nothing less than the total destruction of isis. >> america is at war. our enemy is not violent extremism, it is not some unnamed malevolent force. it is radical islamic terrorists. >> isis and radical islamic terrorism will face no more determined foe than i will be. we will utterly destroy them by
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targeting the bad guys. >> yes, we would shoot down the planes of russian pilots if in fact they were stupid enough to think this president was the same feckless weakling that the president we have in the oval office is right now. >> so, bob, the debate and divide on hawkishness appears to be over. you have rand paul alone in one camp and it looks like everybody else is ready to go to war. >> and even senator paul is using tough language. the mood in the republican party echos the mood after the 2001 terrorist attacks ahead of the 2002 mid-term elections. but as tom cain, the former chairman of the 9/11 economic told me, at that time you at least had a president to calm the party, especially when it came to the muslim question. now there's really no leader on that front. it's a battle, it's heated rhetoric, it's hawkish. >> still ahead on "morning joe,"
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another top obama official used personal e-mail. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> two storms on the map. first one is a huge storm in the gulf of alaska. it's bringing moisture straight into the northwest. they've had an incredibly rainy fall season. seattle i-5 all the way to portland is the worst drive, the snow levels are very high. let's bring you to the east coast. rain is locked in from just about outside of atlanta, outside of south carolina is getting drenched. here we are in the middle of december and we're only dealing with rain, no ice, no snow, nothing. at noon, d.c. to philadelphia to baltimore steady, heavy rain through the chesapeake, rain arriving in new york city. we could have minor flooding in the few spots but i don't expect a lot of problems. it's about a half inch to an inch and a half of rain.
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by the tail end. evening rush hour, southern new england will get the rain. the only cold air on the map today will be from denver to minneapolis to chicago. that's where it feels like winter. this weekend a cold shot of air will move through the northeast but it's brief. next week as we approach christmas, we do it all over again. we reload with the cold and the west and the snow and everywhere in the east will be looking at near record highs, 20 to 30 degrees above average, christmas day in southern new england could be in the 60s. you may want to think about barbecue plans for your christmas. amazing opinion you' amazing. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. opportunity has no slow season. no off-days, or downtime. opportunity is everything you make of it.
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surfaced of hillary clinton's use of an account. one former aide to carter tells the times he used personal e-mail accounts so long, his staff feared his would be act. a and. >> the one big difference in the reading of the times story is he backed up his e-mails to the dod servers, which is the requirement. if you're going to do this, the regulation passed in 2009 was that you had to back it up to the server of the agency where you were employed. >> we should see how this plays out. i don't think it's a big deal. seems like hillary clinton has survived it and is going to thrive in this election.
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>> if it's such a dog gone good idea to bring people here that we really don't know who they are and obama thinks that we're being unchristian to not do it, i've got a suggestion. let's send the first wave of them to chappaqua, martha's vineyard and the upper east side of manhattan and to the south lawn of the white house where we'll set up a camp. let's see how that works out. if they behave wonderfully, that finds. i don't want someone lecturing me on what it means to be a christian that i should invite a terrorist to my back yard. separation of church and state, no discussion of religion and then the left wants to tell me what it means to be a christian. >> that was former governor of arkansas, presidential can't mike huckabee.
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and bianna joins us as well. that was a good enough sound bite to launch off of. obviously i think many understand the concern that americans have of refugees coming over at this point from war torn lands where we can't do a proper vetting. you, though, certainly understand americans' concerns about a full-out like ban of muslims coming to this country, the proposal donald trump put forward, right? >> sure. i never said that was constitutional or practical. they're refugees because our failed policies have allowed a group like isis to flourish, chase these people out of their homes, their communities and countries but importing them 8,000 miles from home doesn't
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ma make sense as much as it would to get these areas safe again and let them get home. >> one candidate suggests carpet bombing until the sand glows. how do we do it? >> we have to obliterate every supply line, we have to be less concerned we is to blow up some oil wells and financing. oil on the ground is better than having blood on the ground. we have to recognize it's going to require ground troops, not just of americans but the other day the saudis said that they and 34 other countries would join in and go after isis. well, let's take them up on it, make sure they are serious about it because it is going to take a coalition of forces and you can't do it all from the air. but the air campaign has to be more robust than the one we've
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had. the president boasted about 9,000 sortis flown over 18 months money during the gulf war we were flying 3,000 sortis a day. the rules of engagement have to be dropped so we can drop the ordinances and not just fly over and wave and scare them to death. >> if you were the president and they said assassinate assad, would you authorize that? >> i wouldn't rule it out. i want to be careful because technically it's not legal for us to assassinate foreign leaders. if i said i would do it, i would be admitting that we'd be violating our own laws. so i probably wouldn't say it on tv. >> so why wouldn't you rule it out then? >> well, because you always want to put american interests at first and make sure that we're doing everything we can. but i'm not sure that that's the best strategy is assassinating assad. >> does assad need to go or are
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you in the ted cruz camp where we can live with assad in power? >> i don't like him in power and i wish he could go but i don't think -- i said this the other night in the debate, i don't think that assad is our most pressing concern. he's done horrible things, he's a dictator, he's a tyrant, he's a murderer, he's killed 250,000 of his own people so let's not give him the nobel peace prize but let's also recognize he's not the number one enemy of america right now. to make it as if somehow he were to go, things would be good. we got rid of gadhafi, things didn't get better, got rid of mubarak, things didn't get better. just because you get rid of one dictator didn't mean things are going to get better in a region unless something replaces that
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is better and stable. >> virtually every single countries that agreed to take in refugees. what would you do if you said we're going to be the exception but we still want you on our side and we still want you taking in the refugees. >> it doesn't mean we wouldn't be of assistance, whether it's to provide food, humanitarian aid, assistance to set up camps but close to their region so that when they are ready to go back home, it's not an 8,000 mile journey. how does it help them if they don't speak language, they don't have jobs, the kids won'tab abb able to function in our schools. let's give a grant, set up a genuine humanitarian effort to
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them. >> my parents didn't speak the language when they came to this country as refugees, they learned it quite quickly. >> well, good for them. we're not going to be just bringing in refuges, we're going to be bringing in refugees who may be terrorists. we have a situation now where we have this incredibly insidious evil called islam being jihadism that will lie, steal, cheat. the syrian -- not syrian but terrorist who is came in fully vetted, shot up the san bernardino school, posted all over facebook and social media that she was a jihadist but we didn't look at that because we didn't want to somehow violate her privacy. we have a terrible vetting system. we don't have one we can trust and that's one of of the problems, the american people don't trust the government.
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the reason i said what i did the other day about martha's vineyard, the upper west side, chappaqua and beverly hills for that matter, where are these people going to go? which neighborhoods are they going to go to? the people who strongly advocate to bring them to america are not advocating they come to their own personal neighborhoods. that's what i want to see happen. >> governor, this is steve rattner. i happen to have a house on martha's vineyard and we would be happy to have some syrian refugees come and stay in our neighborhood and in our house for that matter. >> there you go. i'll make a call. we'll see if we can bring them over, steve. i'm sure they'll enjoy themselves delightfully so. >> they might want to wait till april or may when it's a little warmer but we're happy to have them any time. your historic strength has been in iowa, you won it in 2008 particularly because of the evangelical vote and now you're polling i think at around 3% at the moment out there.
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so if you don't do well in iowa, is that essentially the end of the road for your candidacy or where did you go from there? >> let's see how i do in iowa before we do the autopsy. nobody had it figured out that donald trump was going to be riding higher now than he was when he first started. if i depended on what pundits predict or think or assess, look, nobody got it right. let's wait and see when people vote in iowa and then we'll talk about what happens next after votes are counted. >> so let's talk about in closing how frustrating this race has been. up talked to news max and said it's kind of bizarre this year that people with experience, people who have actually run things, who have actually been confronted with crisis in government and figured out how to work through that, they're the ones that seem to be punished in 2016 at the polls. >> you know, joe, i think it's
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because people are so angry and so distrustful of government. look how republicans feel after this budget deal was passed. they felt like they were just socked in the gut. you work so hard to get these guys elected, they go up there -- look, if planned parenthood is celebrating the budget deal, there can't be anything wonderful in it for conservatives. so in a sense everybody who has any experience at all is virtually being punished for it. but i think the problem is a lot of americans haven't stopped to ask themselves what is the presidency? is it an entry level job? is it a place that you go without any government executive experience, walk in and say, yeah, i'll just learn after i get here. you wouldn't put your kids or your grand kids on an airplane flown by a volunteer who had never been in the cockpit before. no way would you do that. why would you put your grand kids' future in the hands of a chief executive who has zero experience in governing, never having even shepherded significant legislation as a
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legislator, much less served in the executive branch. so it's just an unusual election season. i know you guys talk about that all the time but bthis to me is maybe the most stunning example. on the undercard the other night, the four of us had more combined governing experience than all nine of the others by twice. in other words -- >> that's staggering. >> twice as many years. that's stunning if you stop to think about it. >> that is just staggering. wow. especially staggering for a political party that was critical of barack obama, myself included, for not having enough experience to be the next commander in chief. and yet we've gone in an even more radical direction than the democrats did on experience back in 2008. all right. former governor mike huckabee, thank you so much. always great talking to you. >> thanks, joe. great to be on.
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he should have raised prices more and he lamented he should have paid millions of dollars for the only existing album of wu-tang clan. >> why did we have to do it right in the middle of all this? >> i think a lot of it was just his attitude. you even saw in the interview when he just had that smirk when asked if he would lower prices. >> i'm no fan of the guy. i just don't know it's any senator's business what he spends his money on. >> did this guy draw the attention of the feds because of his bad p.r. or was this something that was brewing for a long time? >> i'm not sure if this is going to enhance or take away from all
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any time soon but they are all across the board increasing their prime lending rate, something you can borrow at. you name them and they're boosting their prime lending rates. >> thank you so much. you have a closer look at these interest rate hikes. >> just to give you a little perspective on this, we've had very low interest rates for an extraordinarily long period of time really since the financial crisis when interest rates essentially hit zero back in 2009. and if you put that -- look at this in historical context, in the past we've had much higher interest rates, particularly in the periods right before a recession or when an asset bubble was occurring. this is a very unusual period. the real question is this the beginning of more increases and when are they going to come and how big are they going to be? what's also interesting is how long the fed held off doing this increase. if you compare this to other recoveries, you can see in 1981 in the early reagan recovery,
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the recovery is so sharp that the fed raised interest rates after just about three quarters. and back in 1991 in the george h.w. bush recovery and after the dot-com bubble, the fed rated about three quarters and here we waited almost seven years before raising interest rates and that's because this recovery has been slower. the real question is where do we go from here? the fed publishes its forecast of where they think interest rates are going which is the dark blue line you can see here. but they have historically been too optimistic about where they think rates are going. six months ago they published a report and they had interest rates being higher sooner, but the market, which some of us anyway have a lot of confidence in actually thinks that rates are going to stay lower for longer. so can you see here that when you get out in 2018, the market
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thinks the rates may be as low as 1.5% versus the fed thinking they're going to be over 3. the fed has consistently been too optimist being about where interest rates are going and the state of the city. >> what was interesting to me was this was a unanimous decision. for a long time now, at least a year, we heard from other fed members that now is not the time to raise rates and some are concerned we may see a downturn in the economy. >> there was a poll of economists, 58% of economists think interest rates are going to be back to zero in the next five years. 63% of economists thinks the fed is going to be doing qe again in the next five years. people are still very worried about the economy. >> they really had no or choice. they would have lost all credibility if they hadn't moved yesterday. cool.
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today believe it or not, we are just one week away from christmas eve. a chill just went up my spine. i got some christmas shopping to do. this holiday season as in previous years, make a wish america is doing some really, really great work, for people who need help the most. this year subaru of america is teaming up with make a wish. they are partnering with more
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than 640 charities to support local causes and hometown projects across america through their share the love campaign. with us, we have the president and coo of subaru, tom dahl. subaru is sponsor of nbc's the more you know campaign. mike halperin. >> let's start with the make a wish part of this. explain it works and what people can do if they want to contribute. >> people when they come into the subaru dealership have the option of contributing $250 to any charity they want and many of them select make a wish because of the tremendous impact that make a wish has. >> talk about make a wish and just what you guys have done through the years and what you're doing now. >> every year about 27,000 kids are diagnosed with a life threatening medical condition. when that happens, that family's life just turns upside down and
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we come along and ask a very simple question to the child, if you could wish for anything, what would it be. it helps that child wish for something other than the illness. the wish involves the entire family because the entire family is involved when a child gets sick. >> talk about when you've executed that people can understand concretely what it means. >> in 1980, the very first wish, a young boy had leukemia and he had a favorite tv show chaalled "chips." he wanted to be like eric estrada. and people volunteered and sewed him a uniform and he had a helicopter ride. >> and ryan had to have a bone
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marrow transplant in order to sur rife and got the opportunity to participate in a subaru commercial and the family was just great. he didn't want to necessarily be involved in a commercial initially until his mom said that, listen, this would actually help other kids and his wish was to go on a beach and subaru helped make all that happen. >> and, you know, obviously for the families their wish is for the miracle that their children be cured. i was touched by one make a wish story i had seen about a woman who had also been a make a wish recipient and decided to give back and she survived her illness and as an adult gave back. >> people think about a wish being just a great day or a great week, but now since we've been around for a while, more and more children are surviving their illness and in fact wanting to give back later as
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adults. so some of our greatest wish grantors and board members and employees are former make a wish kids and they know what it's done for their lives. >> subaru has reached over -- you've contributed over 65 million local and statewide and nationally. >> we'll have contributed more than $65 million after this year is over, all over the country. the impact is unbelievable. in a world today where people doesn't like each other and so forth, to bring this happiness is unbelievable, the impact we're able to have. >> it has to have an impact also in your own business, in your own community. it has to bring everybody together as a community, doesn't it? >> once you get to beyond a certain level, a business has to have a core purpose and reason for being.
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it has to be able to give back and make our society and communities better. that's what we're here for. >> thank you. greatly appreciate it. coming up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? ♪ rocking around the christmas tree at the christmas party hop ♪ to stir up the holidays, before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store, even before they got 3% back on gas, all with no hoops to jump through, daniel, vandi, and sarah decided to use their bank americard cash rewards credit card to sweeten the holiday season. that's the spirit of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you. apply online or at we heard you got a job as a developer!!!!! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines
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losers." it's for children. >> winners aren't losers, they're winners like me. a loser is a loser, which one will you be? winners do deals and winners get rich while sadly losers just sit there and [ bleep ]. >> could be a big seller. >> my daughter loves it. >> the dog is a loser, frankly i pity it. this dog did bad deals, this dog is an idiot. and poor mr. bear must feel like a loser, valeting that 2006 p.t. cruiser. >> that is brutal stuff. >> news from cleveland, the rock 'n' roll hall of fame, in new inductees, cheap trick, chicago and steve miller band all will enter the hall. who didn't make the cut? 9 inch nails, the smiths and chic.
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chic has been turned down a record ten times. you are now a voting member -- >> yes, i am. >> how did you do? >> three of my five got in. the two that did not, yes and the spinners. >> the spinners really should be in. >> the spinners should be in. >> three out of five. that would get you into the baseball hall of fame. >> a lot of fun. >> what did you learn today? >> the residents of martha's vineyard woke up to some news, they'll be having some syrian refugees taken in at steve rattner's house. >> the upper east side, which is where he lives. >> vineyard, the east side and chappaqua. if it's way too early, it is morning joe. what time is it now? >> time for jose. >> msnbc live coming up next.
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and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. we are following breaking news this morning. federal prosecutors have decided to file the first criminal charges related to the san bernardino mass shooting. >> good morning, jose. several law enforcement officials tell us that these charges could be filed as early as today against enrique marquez, the long-time friend of one of the san bernardino shooters and is a former neighbor of farook's. he's been questioned by the fbi since really very shortly after the shootings because he was quickly identified as the person who originally bought the two assault rifles that were used in the shooting. although he has told investigators that he did not know about the plans to c
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