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"hardball" starts right now. obama grabs the mic. let's play "hardball." good evening. today president obama trying to find his way into the news. he pushed his successes, climate change agreement in paris, the opening to cuba, initial trans pacific trade accord. he first had to push past concern over terrorism, a topic of which he had little good news to share today. we heard was a tale of two cities. he wanted to talk about the first paris and the media and
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public were concentrating on the attacks. greg bacon, susan page is usa today washington bureau chief and nbc news presidential historian. let me get to this whole thing about the president. this was the parting shot from the president to the united states people. he asked the american public to stay vigilant because some attacks like mass shootings may be nearly impossible to detect ahead of time. >> it is very difficult for us to detect lone wolf plots or plots involving a husband and wife in this case because despite the incredible vigilance and professionalism of all our law enforcement, homeland security, et cetera, it's not that different from us trying to detect the next mass shooter.
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you don't always see it. they are not always communicating publically. if you are not catching what they say publically then it becomes a challenge. this is a different kind of challenge than the sort that we had with organization like al qaeda that involved highly trained operatives who are working as cells or as a network. it does mean that they are less likely to be able to carry out large complex attacks but as we saw in san bernardino obviously you can still do enormous damage. >> the president also characterized the isis threat as dangerous for quite some time to come. here he is. >> isil's capacity both to infiltrate western countries with people who have travelled to syria or travelled to iraq and the savviness of their
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social media, their ability to recruit disaffected individuals who may be french or british or u.s. citizens will continue to make them dangerous for quite sometime. >> i didn't hear much to calm the nerves because he said we can't catch lone wolves ahead of times. we can't tell they have the problem because they don't talk to anybody. then he said isil will be there a long time and dangerous because they are recruiting in this country. >> he was careful of saying. in the past he said isis was contained and was very much trying to avoid using phrases like that. he all but said this could happen again. he really does not want to -- george bush made his -- i'm fighting terror. you can tell obama does not want to do that and wants to talk about iran and climate change. he hasn't changed and adjusted his presidency to say terrorism is the number one and the number
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two and number three thing. he wants it to be broader than terrorism. >> can you get away with it. >> he is correct, accurate in saying it is impossible to stop these lone wolf attacks, these self inspired terrorists. it is politically unsatisfying. that is not an argument you hear from people running for president. they will try to make the case that there is something to do. >> there is no way to be accountable in the campaign. >> not until they are elected. >> they can make any promise they want. >> it is a promise of a president trying to be the one who is restrained. you saw this with president carter in 1980. a lot of people saying why don't you bomb the iranians and get hostages out? and he was in a position of saying no. unlike carter in '80, barack obama next year although he is not running is going to be
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confronted with the specter of you are donald trump who is not as polite as ronald reagan was in 1980. he will say a lot harsher things. >> the first reporter today was basically challenging saying we understand there is nothing planned right now. but then he admitted we can't tell if there is anything planned. if we say there is nothing planned it is meaningless. >> he keeps saying there is nothing we worry about at this point. we don't know what happens tomorrow or the next day or what happened in paris. >> so isrr difficulty of being in power as opposed to seeking power. >> that's the advantage of the out party. the threat of terrorism in the wake of the san bernardino and paris attacks dominated today. it was clear that president obama wanted to talk about the other paris where u.s. and world leaders inked a massive climate
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deal. the president slammed republican rivals for resistance to that deal. >> right now the american republican party is the only major party that i can think of in the advanced world that effectively denies climate change. it's an outliar that many key cigsignatories to this deal, architects of the deal come from center right governments. even far right parties in many countries they may not like immigrants but they admit we have to do something about climate change. >> somebody said i care more about my tooth ache than starving in ethiopia because it is close in hand it bugs you. you are thinking about that tooth ache. terrorism has grabbed our attention and it is almost like everybody sits down and goes i
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believe in science. i took chemistry there is climate change. what am i thinking about right now? that airplane i'm getting on, train i'm taking, movie theater i'm going to. >> that is why it is hard to make the argument. i think if he were running for election next year that would not be a powerful selling point. >> climate change has become part of a battle. >> is that business talking? we don't want to -- >> i think it is also that there is a big divide and you are either on one side or the other. >> we heard a hawkish tone today when it turned to the dangers of
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syria. >> when you have a leader that is killing hundreds of thousands of his own people the notion that we would just stand by and say nothing is contrary to who we are and that does not serve our interests because at that point us being inclusion with that kind of governance would make us even more of a target for terrorist activity. >> the president went a step further saying isis could not be stamped out unless assad was first taken out. >> in order for us to stamp them out thoroughly we have to eliminate lawless areas in which they cannot still run. our long term goal has to be able to stabilize the areas so
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they don't have safe haven. so long as assad is there we cannot achieve that kind of stability inside of syria. >> compared to trump everybody begins to seem like jeb bush because you turn your head a little bit and first thing to do is get rid of assad. and then we get around to isis. the people want to get rid of isis next tuesday. >> the reporter asked the president a great question. is assad going to be leading his country longer than you are. the reporter asked twice. you noticed obama never answered and conceded that in some ways like trump would have said we are getting rid of him tomorrow. the president is suggesting assad may be there longer than he will. >> that puts us in position to wait for all these things to happen. >> it makes americans more uneasy and it makes a political
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election to succeed and more perils for hillary clinton who i assume -- >> do you think he has turned the page already? >> when he worries about getting up in the morning, is he focussed on the larger legacy question? >> probably but also knows part of that is electing a democratic president. the problem here is look at the the last 43 years the way republicans get elected is president often times is to say we are stronger than the democrats are who are weak and this is a moment of national -- >> nixon, two bushes. >> in '60 jack kennedy. >> i'm saying 43 years and not going further back. they do that extremely will and this is getting set up to make it very easy for donald trump or someone else. >> this hint that they are not really loyal, that the democrats are secretly muslim, secretly this and don't want to call islamic radical terrorism.
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this is trump talking. not just they are not strong but may not be on our side. >> that's why next year may be something like we have never seen before because you had politer people than someone like donald trump. >> they used to call carter weak but never suggested he was working on the other side. >> every republican said why won't he call it radical islam. hillary clinton does not come off as weak. it will be hard to run and say she -- obama is like an academic all the time. hillary does not do that as much. >> even the guys who are older guys are convinced hillary is a tough person. >> used to be like last year that people would say the problem is looking tough enough,
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not hillary clinton's problem. she was more muscular on military affairs than barack obama when she was secretary of state. >> thank you. coming up, mitt romney is leading the establishment charge to stop trump. as richard nixon said if ever you hear a stop movement bet on x. jeb bush is on the ropes right now. he is taking what may be his last shot. will this be jeb 's ticket or will it be his exit strategy? and the round table is here tonight. we have three top reporters. jeb bush's exit strategy. let me finish with a tale of two cities. this is "hardball," place for politics. our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain... but you can feel confident
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bernie sanders presidential campaign filed suit against the democratic national committee accusing the party of trying to undermine its campaign. nbc news learned four sanders staffers allegedly accessed clinton information on voters after a glitch on a database left it vulnerable. the sanders campaign fired one staffer but filed a federal lawsuit to regain access to voter data. >> what we are doing is following our memorandum of understanding, agreement with each presidential campaign. they are prohibited from accessing information and we have ability to sususpend that access in order to make sure we preserve the integrity of the
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voter file and ensure there is confidence. >> in their action the leadership of the democratic national committee is attempting to undermine our campaign. this is unacceptable. individual leaders of the dnc can support hillary clinton in any way they want but they are not going to sabotage our campaign, one of the strongest grass root campaigns in modern history. centrum brings us the biggest news in multivitamin history. ( ♪ ) a moment when something so familiar becomes something so new. (impact on metal) introducing new centrum vitamints. a multivitamin that contains a full spectrum of essential nutrients you enjoy like a mint. new centrum vitamints. go to centrum.com for a $4 coupon.
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last night we asked the round table if they can tell the difference between statements made by donald trump or vladimir putin. in nearly every instance we got it wrong because you cannot tell these guys apart. yesterday in the year end press conference putin praised donald trump calling him bright and talented and the absolute leader of the presidential race. today trump took his bromance
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with putin into overdrive. this morning he took visceral towards president obama saying leaders said to have killed journalists is a better leader than president obama. >> you like vladimir putin's comments about you? >> sure. especially when the person heads up russia. >> also a person that kills journalists, political opponents and invades countries. >> he is running his country and at least he is a leader unlike what we have in this country. >> again, he kills journalists that don't agree with him. >> i think our country does plenty of killing, also, joe. there is a lot of stupidity going on in the world.
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a lot of killing and a lot of stupidity. that's the way it is. >> washington bureau chief. howard, i did like to be reminded that we are overseas killing people. not civilian killing. not picking out somebody you don't like but we kill lots of people because we decide to invade that country and kill people who got in our way. we did that decision. our president. >> but the point that donald trump was making was that there is a lot of stupidity going on but what is wrong with more of that? >> that is one interpretation. >> basically he is selling unbridled strength in at least in talk. that's trump's brand. and the other brand is to attack
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barack obama and everything about barack obama any possible way he can. when he does that those are both things that play directly to the base and the emotions of the republican party and those kinds of comments including this one are why he is in the lead. >> is this the sophisticated or trump version of you think you are better than me? because he is saying you knocked off governments. you are involved with syria and libya and bush w was knocking off the government in iraq. your reaction. >> i don't know what he was talking about. he said we do killings overseas comparing drone strikes to what putin does. >> maybe he did mean that. >> he didn't tell us what he really means. he throws out rhetoric. my theory is that donald trump sees the world, his world as one big green room with bold face celebrities. if you are one of those guys like putin that is good enough.
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it doesn't matter you are a thug, corrupt, whatever it might be, you are a leader and big the way donald trump is big. being big is what counts the most here. he sees himself on the level with the big vladimir putin even if he is a repressive leader. it is absolutely ridiculous saying i'm glad that joe brought that up again but really there is something that trump that lets him get away with this stuff. anybody else had said this, anything positive about putin they would be laughed out of town. imagine what hillary good etc. >> it's not just bigness. it's the type of leadership. he is basically -- >> hugeness. >> he is saying i'm going to be the american vladimir putin. i'm going to be the american vladimir putin and i'm not going to listen to any guff from anybody and not going to worry about the niceties.
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i'm going to shut out the muslims and do this stuff that is borderline dictatorial because that is what america needs and they need me to doit. it is a cult of personality. >> you guys both know foreign policy. >> this is what goes on all over the world over much of the world he is the strongman is the model and he is basically taking the latin american model of political leadership and applying it to the united states and it is working. >> in the early days of fascism there were leaders here who looked at people like mussolini and hitler and said i like a strong leader. they are cracking down on unions. these guys are strong. and then people wanting to see a strong leader here during the depression when things felt very chaotic and the country looked
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like it was going to held in a basket. so here you have donald trump playing the same game with putin. i don't care what he does to people he is strong. he wants to say i won't take my shirt off to ride on a horse. >> we can hope. >> that might hurt him. that might hurt him. he wants to be tough and strong and have nobody get in his way and say you can't really do that. >> i remember he said look at my stomach. look how it works when the knife comes at me. after hearing trump's high regard for the russian president the establishment is heading after trump. today 2012 gop nominee mitt romney tweeted important distinction, thug putin kills journalists and opponents. jeb bush tweeted this is what donald trump thinks is strong
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leadership. lindsey graham tweeting i suggest mr. trump visit ukraine and syrian refugee camps to see if president putin is respected and deserves praise. john kasich joined in our next president needs to stand up to him and not befriend him glmpt is the people you mentioned, mitt romney, jeb bush, john kasich and lindsey graham are the people that trump enjoys rolling over like a mack truck. and you didn't hear ted cruz and the other candidates castigating donald trump because they understand that he is going after obama and when you go after obama in this way that is what sells like popcorn at the republican base. the strong and this notion that
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barack obama is not only weak but something mysterious about him where he is being weak because he has another agenda. >> because he is one of them. the sneaky dirty part. at the worst moments of the carter presidency when people will say anything saying he was weak. >> and they never said that the russian leader was better than the u.s. president. they're comparing putin to obama and trump saying i would rather have putin. he is a leader. >> i think he is going for the right here. >> you think so? >> thank you. happy holidays. >> i want to invite you to join me for a special hour citizen trump. why don't the rules apply to donald trump? join me for the documentary citizen trump. up next, a look at the movie
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"spot light" about "boston globe" reporters exposed to scandal within the catholic church. we might be looking at the oscar winner right here. this is "hardball." the place for politics. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do
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so you're going to work on a train? not on a train...on "trains"! you're not gonna develop stuff anymore? no i am... do you know what ge is? cover up story, unless i get confirmation. >> are you out of your mind? >> this is our town. everybody knew something was going on and no one did a thing. we have to put an end to it. >> don't tell me what i got to do. i helped defend these scum bags. i was doing my job. >> yeah. you and everyone else. >> welcome back. that was a great scene from "spot light" hailed as one of
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the best journalistic dramas, a team of "boston globe" investigative reporters exposed sexual abuse of children at the hands of catholic priests and the decades long cover up. uncovered systemic pattern of abuse navigated around sensitivities. here is another scene from "spotlight." >> what? why are we hesitating? this is law. >> told us to get the system. we need the full scope. that is the only thing to put an end to this. >> we will take it to ben when i say it is time. it's time. it's time. they knew and they let it happen to kids. it could have been you. it could have been me. it could have been any of us.
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we have to nail these scum bags and show people that nobody can get away with this, not a priest or a cardinal or a freaking pope. >> it stars michael keaton, rachel mcadams. it was nominated for three golden globe awards including best picture, best director. joining me is ben bradley jr. oversaw the group of journalists investigating the catholic church known as the spotlight team. it's an honor to have you on. what we liked about it is the low key way. it seems to me from a dramatic point of view the way journalist works you are thinking about the film as reality. >> who would have thought that a
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procedural investigative reporting in the raw if you will, looking at documents, spreadsheets, working the phones, the making of the journalistic sausage, so to speak, could be interesting on film even riveting. these guys, tom mccarthy, the director and the screen writer really found a way to tell a powerful movie. >> i love the way they showed where you have to tie the thing down and go inside on the other camp, the church camp thrks lawyers protecting the church and get somebody to wave you in the right direction. somebody has to secretly outside somewhere say you got it. you got the goods here and you can go with it. >> that was a key moment in the film. and a source of walter robinsons
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on the spot light team. we were at a critical stage when we needed confirmation. and as keaton said in that great scene we weren't going to run it without that confirmation. and he picked a very dramatic way to confirm. >> he has the personality that where have seen from marty barren. i thought it was good the way they showed his class and guts. the idea of an outside guy coming into the boston world saying you have to buy into red sox and patriots and the culture including church dominance. here is a guy who is not part of that and he sees criminality. he doesn't see the respect for the cardinal. he sees criminality and this is a secular issue which is fair
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game for a secular press. >> sometimes it does take a pair of fresh eyes and marty had that. this was not an unfamiliar story to us. we had gone after sexual abuse in the church quite aggressively but were never able to get internal church documents that we were able to get in this case which made the story bullet proof. the church couldn't ledge catholic bias or anything of the sort. i might have been a little skeptical initially because we had made a very aggressive run at another priest referenced in the film and we did very good work there but we couldn't get the internal documents. so i was a little concerned about overkill initially and being fair but marty had this
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idea and it wasn't long before the spotlight team was uncovering some incredible stuff. so we were all in. >> powerful statement. thank you so much. print looked very good in that movie, better than tv. you had time and effort and owner and publisher and editor ready to commit the resource and talent. it would certainly improve the credentials of everybody in journalism. thank you for the movie. thank you for the story behind the movie. it is in theaters. if you want to see a good movie see this one. jeb bush takes on trump. marco rubio takes on ted cruz. will it narrow down the field? i hope so. i want to see a narrow field of people who could be elected president. you're watching "hardball."
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here is what is happening after weeks of negotiations congress passed a $1.1 trillion spending bill. martin resigned as ceo of pharmaceuticals after charges from another firm he ran. he made headlines by raising the price of a life saving drug by 5,000 percent. back to "hardball." welcome back. jeb bush has been languishing in the polls nationally and in early voting states. he is hoping some fraternal support will bolster his base.
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former president george w. bush said on a private conference call that jeb is a candidate who is peaking at the right time i guess is the best way to put it. i feel very good about our chances. that's w. talking. and the jeb campaign put out this ad knocking donald trump. >> this is another example of the lack of seriousness. we are at war. two months ago donald trump said isis was not our fight. >> let syria and isis fight. why are we -- >> he said hillary clinton would be a great negotiator with iran. >> i think hillary would have -- hillary always surrounded with very good people. i think hillary would do a good job. >> ted cruz and marco rubio undiffing each other with the first primaries around the corner. it is about the battle coming in close enough. i'm joined by the "hardball" round table. dana billbank and abby philip
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and senior politics reporter. should jeb just get out? what is he fighting for? is there honor in fourth and fifth place showing in new hampshire? >> i go further and say he should get out and it is his patriotic duty to get out. not just him, several others, christie, kasich, they may have made -- >> why are they still in this? >> because there is unlimited funding. it used to be you do poorly and your money dries up. it doesn't dry up anymore. >> why is carly fiorina in this -- >> there is theory that this is all about new hampshire that after new hampshire reality will hit voters and the people
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milling around will have oxygen and new hampshire voters will get rid of trump and the field will open up. >> who says that? >> or the alternatives are that the republican insiders will rise up in rebellion after new hampshire. there is that theory, too. >> they all think they have a shot because they don't believe trump is real. they don't think cruz can be the nominee. the problem is if jeb -- >> he's not -- take the second tier. they think christie, kasich, jeb , marco, they are going to be the guy. if jeb is not within the top three in new hampshire he is going to get embarrassed in south carolina. >> what do you think of his chances? >> the more he flounders the more voters are saying i don't want a bush/clinton matchup. he is the weak link. i think that dynamic will come to play. >> i call it the march of the
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narcissist. if you put their support together rubio, bush, christie, all of them, then you have a viable contender to defeat trump. i don't think ictha afford to wait. i think they can't afford to wait. >> let me put your words together. are you suggesting you think trump is a plausible nominee? >> if the sensible -- the party is still sensible if you put them all together. if they fracture that then -- >> absolutely he can be plausible. you ask me this in august i thought it was sort of a joke like everybody else. the consultants i talked to said this will end in september. it is late december and about to go into christmas they are a month out and i didn't see any urgency. they think he is going to self implode. there is a new poll out today. he is still at 34% nationally.
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he has gone up since the debate. >> you think he will explode? >> i think voters are warming to trump. even republican voters. i used to talk to voters and they would say i really dislike trump. some are saying he has a point about terrorism or these other things. that is a phenomenon. >> i think san bernardino did a lot to him. donald trump struck back at jeb and the whole bush family. he tweeted. the last thing our country needs is another bush, dumb as a rock. something about tweeting and the word tweet that plays to school yard stuff. it is one liners. and then you type it. you send it out. >> of course, that was trump's genius. you can see in the debate -- >> dumb as a rock. >> they were basically insulting each other like they were on the playground taunting each other. it has become a series of
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insults. >> i went to school with a lot of tough kids from the city. they talk like that. who is moose? you talk to moose? he is the tough kid. you have to talk to the neighborhood kids. it was all about toughness. >> this is all about political correctness for republicans. >> i think trump is speaking to a desire to get rid of political correctness. he has the most fun on twitter. one of the things folks love about him. >> dumb as a rock is a campaign message to the american voters. >> it can go unfiltered to 5 million followers and not have to respond. >> all weekend we are talking about it. ted cruz, marco rubio and chris christie are clumped together behind trump in a poll out today. those three are climbing but jeb bush isn't making head way with
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voters in the state. if after new hampshire mr. trump is trumping republican candidate whose aren't going to make it, should he be pressed to sacrifice himself to narrow the field and let the viable nontrumps rise. jeb bush by stepping down could become what he wanted to be this year, a hero, a history changer. she wants to walk off the stage. >> i think that is the biggest concern. his legacy is taking a blow right now. the longer he stays out there the more damage he does to himself. when you watched last tuesday's debate he stumbled. that was better than his previous ones. that is a problem. >> to play devil's advocate why doesn't christie or kasich get out? >> he was carrying the banner for the establishment into the fight and he can't win.
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>> i think new hampshire may be too late. if trump rolls through new hampshire with 34% how are they going to coalesce? >> the reason he is in this race is his name and the reason he is going to lose is probably his name. i don't think there was a nod between the two bushes. >> you lose a lot less if he gets out now in a statesman like way. >> ted kennedy walked out in 1980 with jimmy carter and gave a speech where he gave a liberal speech what he believed in. i think jeb should talk about being married to a woman from mexico and be proud of the assimilation process in america and say i'm not going to walk away from that. the round table is staying with us. up next these three tell me something i don't know. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. ♪ we're back with the round table. david, tell me something i don't know. >> chris, we're talking about the winnowing process. when does this republican field get smaller? well, it's not going to get smaller after iowa. a lot of these establishment candidates are ditching iowa. they're going all in in new hampshire. so i think after new hampshire, february 9th, february 10th, we'll have a lot smaller field. christie, kasich, jeb are going to have to make some hard decisions. and lindsey graham, who gets out afterwards and endorses before south carolina. >> somebody else. >> somebody else. >> abby. >> i think voters' eyes are glazing over in this fight between bernie sanders and the clinton campaign over allegedly stolen data. i've been told that situations like this have occurred in the past, 2008 and 2012. we've never heard about it. the fact that we're hearing
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about this now tells us a little something about where the clinton campaign is in terms of how they feel about the sanders campaign and how they're doing, how the dnc as well. >> dana. >> well, i'm going to tell you something you don't know because i didn't know it until the last couple of weeks in criticizing trump i've received a number of e-mails, messages and other things from the trump supporters out there informing me that among other things i am a commie [ bleep ] and a [ bleep ] supremacist and that because i am jewish i am loyal to a foreign state and i want to kill christians to get their gold. i've also been -- i've had many ugly words used about me suggesting that i am gay while also suggesting that my girlfriend is a gross jewess. now, i'm saying all these terrible things on your air because i think it needs to be said that this is what donald trump is stirring up and that conservatives and republicans need to ask themselves if this is what they want conservatism to be and what they want the republican party to be. >> a little more information. there's a word we never would like spoken but you speak it in context. >> i've never uttered these
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words before. >> and politically important i think. how wide is this? when you look at your e-mail is there 50 of these? 20 of these? 30 of these? how many of that sort have come in? >> it's a proportion of them. certainly not all of the trump supporters. but a significant minority of them are quite vulgar. and it's about me. it's about muslims. it's about women. it's about latinos. it's about african-americans. >> i'm glad you reported it. you know, maybe this will stifle it a bit. but that has no place anywhere in our politics. and that word especially. thank you, brother, for coming on. thank you to the round table. dana. abby. david catnese. i'm in a good mood right now. when we return, let me finish with a tale two of cities. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... ...in our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor
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let me finish tonight with a tale of two cities. in fact, both tales are about paris. the paris of the terror attacks. and then there is the paris of the world climate talks. what was clear today, that the media at president obama's press conference wanted to speak first and foremost about that first paris, the one hit by the historic attack of this autumn. it was clear that the president had no good news for them. he said that lone wolf attacks like the one that struck here in san bernardino, killing 14 people, is very, very hard to detect ahead of time. if the killers don't communicate with anyone else as they may not have in the san bernardino case, the government has no way of knowing what people are up to or even that they are people to be worried about. the president also threw water on the notion of sifting through
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the social media traffic of those applying for visas to the u.s. he said we can only see what they put up on social, on public sites, but there's really no way of getting to look at what they do on e-mail or other private transmissions. so not much good for the president to report there. certainly not for a country on edge about a future attack because if we don't know if someone is going to attack some lone wolf, how can we say they're not? what brightened up the president today was the question about the other paris story, the successful talks on climate change. clearly barack obama wants to be the president who achieved a number of historic breakthroughs. climate change is near the top of the list along with of course obamacare, the opening to cuba, the initial transpacific trade deal, which is yet to get congressional approval. these are legacy achievements placing him on the world stage for saving the planet, working for peace among nations as the accord with iran and cuba and enhancing trade relationships among countries.
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this president wants to think about the long-term matters affecting his time in history while the country itself, led by the republican presidential candidates wants to focus on the hour to hour issues in the news reports. we'll see who wins this battle for the country's attention. and for its respect. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> the leadership of the democratic national committee is now actively attempting to undermine our campaign. >> the dnc brings down the hammer on the sanders campaign after a data breach and the sanders campaign makes devastating charges of its own. >> in this case it looks like they're trying to help the clinton campaign. >> tonight the campaign manager for bernie sanders and dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz join me live. >> the sanders campaign unfortunately doesn't have anything other than bluster at the moment. >> then donald trump responds to putin's praise. >> at least he's