this morning, my question -- is martin schirelli finally getting acquainted with a little thing called karma? plus the race factor in 2016 politics, but not the one you expect. and the sports person of the year. but first, the democrats throw down in manchester, new hampshire. good morning. last night's democratic debate was one of the last opportunities of the year for candidates to make their case before the nation on a nationally televised stage. it wasn't exactly the biggest of stages given its placement in the television graveyard of saturday night programming, but

it was the last debate of the year. there's only one more debate remaining before primary elections kick off with the iowa caucuses in february. so the candidates needed to make it count, especially if you're bernie sanders. if you're bernie sanders, those three hours of exposure on network television were a chance to make up for the media's collective "meh" when it comes to covering your campaign. a recent analysis of election coverage by the tindall report which tracks network nicely news programs found bernie sanders received just ten minutes out of 857 minutes of campaign coverage in 2015. compare that to 234 minutes for donald trump, and 113 for hillary clinton. well, this week may have been a reminder to the sanders campaign to be careful what you wish for because those minutes of coverage increase exponentially when the sanders campaign became the center of a good old-fashioned political controversy this week. his coverage went from no news to bad news with the revelation

that four sanders staffers took advantage of a software glitch to access confidential voter data belonging to the hillary clinton campaign. what followed was a stand-off in which the democratic national committee cut the campaign's access to its own voter data and the sanders campaign responded by suing the dnc and accusing it of putting a thumb on the scale in clinton's favor. by saturday morning the dust had settled, the dnc restored previously blocked access to the voter file. the sanders campaign agreed to cooperate in an investigation of the data breach, and this morning politico reported that two more sanders staffers had been suspended following the campaign's data director who was fired on friday. the clinton campaign was "pleased" with how it all turned out. of course, beneath the surface of all that making nice was heightened anticipation about whether the debate would turn nasty because the data breach scandal was predictably the first question out of the gate last night. >> when we saw the breach two

months ago, we didn't go running to the media and make a big deal about it. and it bothers me very much that rather than working on this issue to resolve it, it has become many press releases from the clinton campaign later. >> does secretary clinton deserve an apology tonight? >> yes. i apologize. >> so now that i think, you know, we've resolve your data, we've agreed on an independent inquiry, we should move on because i don't think the american people are all that interested in this. >> once that was out of the way, the debate was a chance for senator sanders to have a game-changing moment to recapture the news cycle and build momentum going into 2016 and he took his best shot at having a moment. >> excuse me. do not tell me that i have not shown courage in standing up to the gun people, in voting to ban assault weapons, voting for instant background checks, voting to end the gun show

loophole and now in a position to create a consensus in america on gun safety. >> would corporate america love a president sanders? >> no, i think they won't. the ceo of large multi-nationals like hillary won't like me and wall street is going to like me even less. >> senator clinton, meanwhile, told the line between brushing off attacks from her opponents and staying the course in her position far ahead of the pack. >> the american president has to both keep our families safe and make the economy grow in a way that helps everyone, not just those at the top. that's the job. i have a strategy to combat and defeat isis without getting us involved in another ground war and i have plans to raise incomes and deal with a lot of the problems that keep families up at night. >> should corporate america love hillary clinton? >> everybody should.

>> aggressive martin o'malley came out swinging! >> we need to address the economic issues around the kitchen table, and if people want a more high-minded politics and want to move our country forward, go on to mart martinomally.com and help my campaign move our country moves. isil training videos are telling lone wolves the easiest way to buy a combat assault weapon in america is at a gun show, because of the flip-flopping political approach of washington that both of my two colleagues on this stage have represented there for the last 40 years. >> whoa. whoa. >> joining me now, democratic chair and congresswoman deb which wasserman schultz. >> thanks, joy. >> i think the democrats had a successful debate last night but it was on a saturday night. it was one of a very few debates. only the third one so far. and there have been suggestions from supporters of both bernie sanders' campaign and martin

o'malley's campaign that that was designed to help hillary clinton. so i'll just ask you straight up -- is the democratic national committee putting its thumb on the scale in favor of senator clinton? >> joy, i mean let's think about this. does it make any sense at all that the chair of a national party would want fewer voters to see our candidates? i don't control the schedule of the networks. we have three of our debates that are on network television, and those are on saturday nights. we have three other debates that are during the week. unfortunately, broadcast network programming is less flexible than cable network programming. if you look at the republican debates on broadcast networks, those are on saturday nights, too. it is unfortunate but i can assure you, i didn't ask for our debates to be on a saturday night. we have a combination of schedules between the candidates and the networks and our partners that really result in the way our debate schedule falls out. this one fell on a saturday night. that's all it is. nothing sinister.

>> well, should there be more debates and will there be more debates because there have been calls for that as well? >> there will be six debates an we've had a number of candidate forums. there will be more going forward. but again, i've said this many times, i'll say it again -- we need a wide variety of ways for voters to get a good look at our candidates. we have the 100th anniversary this year -- we are having the 100th anniversary of this year of the first in the nation primary in new hampshire. those voters take their responsibility very seriously. they like to kick the tires. they get the most up close and personal look in the entire arc of the campaign at the candidates. and debates are time consuming. they take a candidate off the trail for preparation an their whole team gets fully engaged. so we think that a six-debate schedule, particularly with three candidates in our race, is about the right number to make sure that we -- our candidates can do the wide variety of activities necessary to make sure voters can get a good look at them. >> the first question out of the

gave the was about the data breach and the recent scandal over sanders' campaign staffers accessing information from the clinton campaign. the sanders campaign has accused you, has accused the dnc, of bias in favor of hillary clinton. and i ask the question of one of the vice chairs yesterday of whether, in his view, you personally favor hillary clinton over the other candidates. i want to play you what he said. >> do you feel that the chair favors the hillary clinton campaign? >> i think the chair's job is to be fair and i think the job of all of the vice chairs is to make sure that happens. we have really robust conversations about what balance is, and it's not easy. >> okay. >> there is no doubt about it. but i need people to know that there is a group of people who are part of the leadership of the dnc, and i will make damn sure as a vice chair, and so will others, that we do everything humanly possible to

have a level playing field. >> madam chair, that didn't sound 100% like r.t. rybak, the vice chair, was saying that he thinks you are impartial. are you impartial as to who the next democratic nominee will be? >> of course i am, joy. i'm 100% impartial. i'm -- my responsibility is to manage this primary nominating contest neutrally and fairly. let's think about this. i am a member of congress. i do have a choice as to whether or not to continue as dnc chair and be neutral and do everything i can and put in the kind of time and hours and days on the road that i do to make sure that we can elect democrats up and down the ballot and elect a democrat as president. or i could not be chair and go work for the candidate of my choice. i'm choosing to remain as chair so that i can fight like hell to make sure that the jokers on the other side of the aisle aren't able to get hold of the white house. that's because i care deeply about this party and our agenda

and making sure that we can continue to build on president obama's legacy. any suggestion i am doing anything other than manage this primary impartially and neutrally is ludicrous. >> there's been a fair amount of criticism for letting this squabble between sanders and clinton campaigns spill out into the open. as we both know, campaigns and primaries can get ugly. there are always messy squabbles. this is the first time we've seen it born out in the public and the dnc getting involved. there is a fair amount of criticism of that. how do you respond to the notion the dnc should have kept this in the family and not have it become a public scandal? >> well, we tried to keep it in the family. it was not us that blew this open into the press. what we were doing was trying to simply get the information we needed once we learned from our vendor after the software glitch occurred that there had been a breach by the sanders campaign staff, which i was glad to see senator sanders acknowledge that was wrong and apologize for.

but his staff was simply nonresponsive for at least a day. so much so that i actually am the one that had to call bernie sanders and inform him of the breach. he didn't know about it at all. so i called him. but we didn't go to the press over this. we simply tried to get the answers to the questions that we had so that we could maintain the -- or restore the integrity of our voter file. when. wasn't forthcoming, the only tool that we had available to us to make sure that his campaign, if they had access to hillary clinton's proprietary information, was to suspend their access until they answered our questions. once they answered our questions, once they agreed to cooperate fully with an independent audit we were able to get it back. >> thank you very much for your time, debbie wasserman schultz, thank you from manchester. my panel here in new york, basil smilky, jr., dory clark,

joe kottison. let's talk a little bit about this democratic scandal. joe, i'll start with you. it is unusual to see such an intermessy fight. we know that these happen between campaigns. to spill out into the open this way, is that the fault of the democratic national committee? >> i can't really tell if it's their fault or not. at some point people start issuing press releases, they start responding. they feel they have to get their response in the press was something else has come on. but had this been reveal some other way, had it leaked out instead of having the campaigns and the dnc discuss it openly, we would now be talking about how they tried to cover it up. right? the obsession with these process issues always cuts in two ways. either they are talking too much and they've screwed up, or they're covering up. i think it worked out fine

because the two grown-ups, senator sanders and secretary clinton, decided to put this to rest last night and that there's been more than enough discussion of this. i tweeted last night, hillary, i've heard enough about your damn data breach. we were done. and she reciprocated what sanders had done on the e-mails. at least there are two people who get where this campaign should be going, how it should unfold and focus on issues that they disagree on in some ways. but that they think are worth discussing. >> as our resident brand expert at the table, up to now we've really been mostly talking about the republican brand and their brand problems. but for democrats, i think the enduring sort of messaging that at least i'm hearing -- maybe i'm the only one -- is that sanders campaign supporters feel he is an outsider to the party, he's not a democrat, he was unfairly treated, and the chair,

whether they admit it or not, they are on hillary clinton's side. does that present a problem for democrats as they try to unify the party going into a general election? >> in the long term i don't think that it does. ultimately where are sanders supporters going to go? if you have a nominee like a donald trump or ben carson or someone like that they're going to be so motivated by keeping that person out of the white house. you're going to migrate to clinton's campaign. i don't think that's going to be an issue. >> especially since the two hugged it out. up next, senator bernie sanders' campaign manager will join us to give us his take. camy to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... are you completely prepared for retirement? okay, mostly prepared? could you save 1% more of your income? it doesn't sound like much, but saving an additional 1% now, could make a big difference over time. i'm going to be even better about saving. you can do it, it helps in the long run.

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perceive as bias. i don't know if you were able to hear my interview with dnc chairwoman wasserman-schultz. she says she's skrcrupulously neutral in this race. do you buy it? >> good to be with you this morning. listen, when this event erupted this week we worked very, very hard to try to get to the bottom of it. as you know, last night senator sanders and secretary clinton i think both addressed this issue and clearly want to put this sort of acrimony behind them in terms of the campaigns. but look, what the dnc did is they issued a death sentence on the sanders campaign. we had to go to federal court to get back day that that we owned with be that was paid for by the 2 million individual contributions we have received in this campaign, that was acquired by volunteers and staff of our campaign. that data belonged to the political revolution that bernie is leading. not to the dnc and not to debbie wasserman schultz. >> yet we awoke to the news two more staffers for the sanders campaign have been suspended. you suspended or fired your data

director. the senator took responsibility, apologized last night. is that enough? i mean are there going to be more revelations? are there more employees of the sanders campaign who improperly accessed files and data belonging to the clinton campaign? >> well, look. that's what we're investigating right now. if we find that people did, they will be disciplined. but look, let me tell you this. two months ago in october, we discovered a significant data hole in the dnc's security wall. we alerted the dnc. we didn't run to the media. it was all resolved in house. everybody's data was at that time perceived to be protected, although we have strong suspicion that maybe some of our data was compromised. this is what we need in this case, to put an end to any questions. we need and independent audit -- not just of this event but of the dnc's handling of data security from day one of this campaign to the present. that's what we need. that's what we're calling for.

that's what senator sanders called for last night on stage. sounds like secretary clinton agreed. on monday i'll call my counterpart, a fellow vermonter, we'll work this out. i'll call the o'malley xeem. we'll bring the campaigns together with the dnc and jointly agree on an independent outside firm to look at this and it is going to be -- we're going to look at data security at the dnc from day one to the present. candidates have the right to know how secure their data has been and i think we in this case really need to restore confidence of candidates in this case and in future races that their data is going to be secure if it is at the dnc. that's what we need going forward. >> sounds like you're not ending the war with the dnc but very quickly, the clinton campaign -- >> no, no, joy. it's not a war with the dnc. what this is, this is for the good of the party. this is not about -- we got to put the good of the party above personal agendas. we need to find out the truth. transparency and sunlight are always the best remedy. right?

sounded like secretary clinton agreed with senator sanders' suggestion last night that we do that. i think that's very positive. we'll call the o'malley people and get them on board and get to the bottom of this. people need to know what happened. >> we'll leave it there. jeff weaver. our panel will help us make sense of all of this right after this message.y. is the kind where everyone gets what they wished for. make this holiday extra happy when you buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones... like the samsung galaxy s6. buy one get one free. so spread some cheer. and capture every minute of it. right now at at&t, buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones. and i'm still struggling with my diabetes. i do my best to manage. but it's hard to keep up with it. your body and your diabetes change over time.

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>> he has to do everything he can to gain some traction here. when i first saw him speak at the dnc conference in minneapolis in the late sum, people sitting next to me from maryland saw him very fiery and passionate and said they want to see that of him all along. now where he's at in the polls -- >> like 3%. >> something like that. you'll see him come out more this way, sort of make this generational appeal. i don't know how impactful that will be but this is what he has to do to gain this traction. >> isn't that part of the problem? martin o'malley isn't under serious consideration to be the vice presidential candidate. you have got to think the democrats are thinking this he need some ethnic contrast between the vp and the presidential nominee. isn't that part of the issue? he has nowhere to go from here. >> what's interesting in this election, for democrats and certainly republicans, governors who typically command the stage aren't commanding the stage in this election cycle, especially with things that have happened

in baltimore recently. he's in a very, very tough spot. he's trying to work his way out of but in relation as you talked about earlier in terms of how much time that hillary's gotten and bernie has gotten, he's got to find that niche and it's become difficult. >> i think one of the favorite beltway narratives is this idea that at the end of the day if there's a divisive primary, how will you bring these two sides together. it was the narrative in 2008. turned out they came together fine. is there a realistic chance that bernie sanders and bernie sanders supporters would abandon the ticket if and when hillary clinton is the nominee? >> the contrast between the two parties is now so strong that i think senator sanders has summed it up himself several times. he's said on her worst day -- whatever that means -- hillary clinton is infinitely better than any republican. and you will see, i believe, when this is over, if she's the nominee, he will be her most

powerful and strongest supporter. no question. and he's going to take credit for positions that she's taken and she'll have to live with that. but that's also okay. he will be there for her and i assume most of his supporters will, too. >> but at the same time, in the interest of the democratic party, to have a fight or at least have the theatrics of a fight -- because they have to also worry about their voters being enthusiastic enough and being ready to get out there and line up at the polls. >> i think theatrics is really the operative word, joy. from the minute that hillary clinton entered the race she has been, without question, not only the front-runner, she is going to be the nominee. there has never been a serious question about that. but we are we are a country that does not appreciate koecoronati. if the public believes it's been hers all along, they're going to react unfavorably to that. saying we respect just goiaren'

give it to her. but ultimately it is going to be hers. it has been hers all the time and people will be brought together. >> to that point, the contrast with republicans, almost no matter which republican is nominated. right? because they are taking such similar positions. has hillary clinton's positioning to the left, to joe's point, that she's being moved to the left on domestic issues, does that complicate in any way a potential fight with republicans? >> no. if you look at the fact that trump was the only thing that was discussed did shall. >> about eight times. >> exactly. in raising the specter of a donald trump, no matter where hillary clinton is on the democratic side, the specter of a donald trump nominee is what is going to drive -- and in part, what's going to drive people to the polls. but i do think that the combinations of policies, whether mass incarceration, whether talking about black lives matter -- >> which barely came up last night. >> it barely came up last night but i know the candidates have been talking about it on the trail.

i think there is enough room tla particularly on conversations around foreign policy where hillary seems very conversant on those issues there is enough room for moderates and republicans in the general election. >> i think last night showed hillary clinton will be fine on that issue. >> the irony, what was suppose to be a great vulnerability of hers, the iraq war vote which she's acknowledged was a terrible mistake, has lent an aura of strength in a funny way. it was a strength but on the other hand, she's now seen as hawkish enough to lead the nation. if you look at polls, she's considered the toughest in a field of men. that's no small victory for her going towards a general election. >> martin o'malley may be louder -- thank you very much. up next -- the pharmaceutical executive loathed around the world and the part of the story you haven't heard. details coming up. amerivest selects the funds and manages your portfolio.

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google the phrase "the most hated man in america." and this guy is one of the first people to pop up. a 32-year-old drug company entrepreneur and former hedge fund manager who has a lot of money and loves to talk about how he spends it. like the $2 million he dropped to purchase the only copy of the woo tang clan's "once upon a time" only to tell bloomberg business week he had no immediate plans to listen to it. he recently said he's working on paying another $2 billion to bail out a brooklyn rapper out of jail. but this week, shkreli shifted his legal troubles to his own because thursday he was arrested by the fbi. charges -- two counts of securities fraud, two counts of

conspiracy to commit securities fraud and three counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. seven counsels. federal officials summed up a securities fraud trifecta of lies, deceit and greed. charges are linked to a biotech firm he founded in 2011. as reported by bloomberg, prosecutors are accusing him of running a ponzi-like scheme saying he illegally took stock from that firm and used it to pay off debts from unrelated business dealings. the same day he posted $5 million bond and was released, and by friday he was resigned as the pharmaceutical company turig's ceo. he took to twitter on saturday, tweeting i'm confident i will revail. allegations against me are baseless and without merit." for the past three days many in america have been treating his arrest like an early christmas present. but here's the thing. his viral infamy, his status as the so-called most hated man in

america is unrelated to these charges. the real reason his name is synonymous with greed these days and incites vitriol is because earliyer this year his company jacked up the price of a life saving antiviral drug used to treat aids patients from $13 to $750. but there's another drug pricing controversy you probably haven't heard of. he is the ceo of another company and earlier this month the company announced plans to submit a treatment for a pare say t parasitic disease which is the third most common parasite disease in the world and affects mainly latin americans. untreated it can cause fatal heart problems. right now doctors say in -- doctors in the u.s. can obtain the decades-old treatment for free through the cdc but that may soon change. in public filings, shkreli's

company plans to price it at $60,000 to $100,000 for a single course of treatment. joining me now, daisy hernandez, assistant professor at miami university and she's been researching this the disease for more than a year. carrie geiger, reporter at bloomberg who has reported on the martin shkreli case. daisy, people who haven't heard of this disease probably need to get just a bit of an explainer on why this is such a crisis to have the price of the treatment for it go up so sharply and you have a personal connection to it and can explain. >> absolutely. shaggot's disease in latin america is a silent killer. part of the reason is because you might not have any symptoms for 10, 20 or even 30 years. then in 1 in 3 people it leads to terrible heart failure. there are eight million people

have that the disease. 300,000 immigrants here in the united states. one was my auntie actually who passed away from this disease. there was a lot of silence because it is a disease of poverty. so it has that social stigma with it. >> a lot of people would be surprised that a course of drugs for all of this time has been able to be accessed by the cdc for free can suddenly be in a sense almost privatized by this company. >> martin shkreli's kind of catapult in the american public really is about these drug pricing strategies which a small group of companies -- it is a niche business strategy. it very much echoes kind of a hedge fund like capitalistic approach to pharmaceutical pricing. obviously it doesn't go down very well with public health officials, with the public, because any time you are laying out a business strategy that of

course is going to -- shkreli himself has said this many times -- create shareholder value, return on equity and it is going to make a lot of money, it doesn't settle well if it reduces access to life saving drugs. that's really why this whole thing blew up. the fact that he got arrested is pretty phenomenal for basically ripping off investors allegedly, of course, with a series of hedge funds that he did before. so he's got a pattern of behavior, if you kind of lay out what's in the indictment, of being a little bit duplicitous on how he's doing his business deals. what he's doing, it's really important to know with this pharmaceutical approach, both the turig pharmaceutical is legal. there is nothing illegal about this. it just doesn't sit well with a lot of people, and particularly in the health care industry. i think they are looking at ways that say if this should or shouldn't be brought under more

regulatory scrutiny. >> i think that's the point. whether or not people think that martin shkreli is the worst person in the world, he's the symptom or problem of a larger industry. he just may be a symptom of this larger problem and a broken health care system which is largely because the cost of medications is just so incredibly high. are we focusing so much on this one person rather than looking at the larger system? >> absolutely. i think he is symbolic of a much larger problem. patients and doctors who have been working on chagas disease have been so excited that the fda might approve this drug. never in their wildest dreams did they think it would then be priced out of reach for them. you already have patients that are in low-wage income jobs. they're just struggling with so many structural issues, to then have this drug priced out of reach -- >> is this the only drug -- >> this is the preferred treatment, yeah. there is another drug but this is considered more effective and the pediatric dose am of it is not considered an essential

medicine which the world health organization. >> it is interesting this is not what martin shkreli if he winds up going to prison, it won't be because of this. i think that's what shocks a lot of people, that this is perfectly legal. >> it is perfectly legal, and it is also a little different from the broader kind of large discussions that we have over the drug pricing industry. of course with the hepatitis c drugs that came up, a lot of that is of course the business strategy recouping r & d costs which can be in the billions. but what i think angers people specifically about this strategy is that it will -- it's an old drug that there is no r & d cost to recoup. so the excessive profits, as a lot of people see this as, particularly for the drug that went from $13.50 to $750 a pill, that definitely falls into the category of excessive, pure profit, for profit say. of course companies need to make money so they can develop more drugs. there is obviously this really

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dr. rachel marcus, cardiologist and medical director of the latin american society of chagas. doctor, daisy explained a bit but can you give us a very brief layman's understanding of what the disease is? >> sure. chagas skis is the long-term consequences of a parasitic infection of the heart. it was traditionally thought of as being a disease of rural poverty in central and south america. the parasite causes an acute infection generally in a child. and then for anywhere between 15 and 30 years patients will live with the parasite in them and then suffer long-term damage to the heart and to the esophagus and the gastrointestinal system. >> how is the medical community responding to the idea that the one treatment, the main treatment for it, could increase so exponentially in cost? >> well, you've asked a great question. one of the problems in the united states dealing with chagas disease is that the

medical community really doesn't appreciate that it's here. those of us in the community of people who are treating chagas disease actively are shocked and really horrified because most of the patients that we see have no financial resources whatsoever and generally are uninsured. two essentially probably put to a halt our ability to treat this illness. >> so my understanding is that the fda did add chagas disease to a special program for neglected diseases. would that theoretically incentivize other countries to come in and maybe produce other treatments that could compete with this one? >> we are certainly hoping that that will happen. unfortunately, thus far the drugs that are in the pipeline that have been tested have not found to be as effective. right now it is the mainstay of therapy for people with chagas disease. >> keri, that is really the point. right? this is not a sense of innovation and competition increasing prices because some other company is coming in and competing with martin shkreli. this is literally a monopoly.

i think daisy, you made the point this is a monopoly. >> yeah, absolutely. because it is a neglected disease, he would probably have a monopoly of at least five years, maybe even longer. you could have another company as is happening with the aids drug say we'll do it for a lot less so he would just have monopoly on this price. >> while this is not a part of what shkreli's being indicted for, there is the overall picture of somebody who's milking profits really off of patients who are poor in order to finance at least what appears to be a lot of debt being built up in other businesses. >> that's definitely what happened with his previous drug which is just to make clear is not under investigation at this time. it is just shkreli himself for his actions at that company. but that's really where you get the controversy in this, is where is it fair to kind of draw the line on profits versus offering the drug at a low cost to people that need it. now his company turig has said it will offer the drug to people who can't afford it if they need

it. they've been pretty transparent about that. but it is just this whole process and this whole strategy of this niche group of pharmaceutical players that has people really scratching their heads on what to do next. >> doctor, if this treatment becomes so expensive that impoverished patients can't get it, what is the alternative? >> there is a second-line medication. unfortunately, you have to take it for longer and the risk of serious side effects is much higher. so it is really not a very palatable alternative. >> we thank you very much for bringing us this information, dr. rachel marcus in washington, d.c. coming up, the new surge of children crossing the border. is this the beginning of a new migrant crisis? that's next. ok, we're here.

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as the refugees crisis unfolds across europe, another

is looming in our backyard. the number of children crossing the southwest border unaccompanied has quietly surged more than a year after president obama referred to the problem as a "urgent humanitarian situation." according to u.s. customs and border protection, more than 10,000 unaccompanied minors crossed the southwest border in october and november. that's a 106% increase over the same period last year. the children, some as young as 5 years old, are fleeing their home countries in central america, countries like honduras, el salvador and guatemala where spiraling drug and gang violence have worsened. their journeys to the u.s. can be dangerous and harrowing as they face the risk of rape, extortion, robbery, assault and even death. the number of family units crossing the border has increased as well. more than 12,000 families have crossed into the u.s., nearly triple the number of arrivals during the same time last year. joining me from san diego, carmen chavez, attorney and

executive director of a legal organization that provides representation to some of the unaccompanied minors and families who have crossed the border. thank you so much for being here, carmen. what your clients saying about the conditions they face and the reasons for this journey? >> what we hear from the children we are interdviewing here in the san diego-mexican border, they are from central america, the northern triangle area of honduras, guatemala and el salvador. what we are hearing are extreme gang violence without an opportunity to get protection from the government or from the police. additionally, murder rates are extremely high. so there is the children are especially susceptible to forcibly being recruited into these gangs. additionally, young girls are being raped and used as victims

of trafficking and i can tell you the story of tadessa, a young 15-year-old girl who was attending school and caught the attention of one of the gang leaders who went to the school, took her off premises, no one was able to do anything or protect her. she was forcibly taken to another place, raped and kept there for days. then returned and the process repeated again. eventually she was able to escape and she escaped with a younger sister to the united states. that's one of our clients. i could tell you another story of antonio, a 14-year-old boy who the gangs were trying to forcibly recruit him into gang life. he refused. he was stabbed. now earlier in the year his cousin had been stabbed and now he was able to flee and he took the long journey from his home country through mexico to the border. as you stated, it is an extremely dangerous road for

them to travel. it is a long trek and they face so much more violence on the road. >> carmen, these stories are so harrowing, but one of the pieces of these stories that's missing is talk of these children's parents. why is it that they wind up, as you said, fleeing and escaping alone? >> right. well, for many, they -- there is an extreme fear. some of them might have one or two parents here in the united states. others, it is an opportunity to send their children to safety and they're not able to accompany them. i did personally have a case such as that where the mother said you need to leave, if you don't leave you're going to be killed and i don't want to see you dead. i can't go with you, for whatever reason. maybe because there's other family members there or there's other children. and in this case, that youngster was 16 years old and she did put him on a bus to try to find

safety. you know, lot of people say, what kind of mother leaves these children -- allows their child to travel and to take this dangerous, dangerous trek? well, the choices are very slim to none. it's either the child stays and potentially is killed, oftentimes in her presence, or there's an opportunity to find a safe haven and so these are the children that we're seeing in our practice and the children that we're interviewing. >> quickly, carmen, when they come to you, what is happening to the kids on this side of the border? where are they being housed? >> sure. sure. so once they come to the border, between the u.s. and mexico, and a large number of them are going through the texas border. and so the texas border and the california border and the air r arizona border. they are detain by authorities. many turn themselves in to authorities. others are apprehended.

they are placed in temporary shelters and when they are placed in a temporary shelters that's where we come in and provide the legal representation. in a very real sense we are the legal first responders for these children. >> carmen chavez, thank you very much for bringing those stories to our attention. coming up, how race factors into the race for 2016 and why serena williams is the best sports "person" of the year. period. more ""nerdland"" at the top of the hour. for years to come. how can you help? by giving a little more, to yourself. i am running for my future. people sometimes forget to help themselves. the cause is retirement, and today thousands of people came to race for retirement and pledge to save an additional one percent of their income. if we all do that we can all win. prudential bring your challenges®

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quinnipiac poll with senator ted cruz hot on his heels at 27%, and senator marco rubio a distant third. trump's popularity and his longevity in this race has stumped political insiders and purveyors of conventional wisdom. why has this person with no political experience, who has long been a symbol of he wealwed excess, who says outlandish and outright racist stuff why does he still lead the republican primary field after months and months and months. to find out, data found trump's supporters differ from the republican general electorate in a number of important surprisingly, more antiimmigration. 80% say immigrants are a burden on america taking jobs and ho s housing and health care away from native-born americans compared to 56% who support

other candidates. 74% of trump's supporters think discrimination against white-americans has become just as big a problem as discrimination against minorities, compared to 57% of other republicans. 42% of trump supporters say white men face a lot of discrimination today, while only 30% of non-trump republicans say the same. this may have something to do with who trump fans are. a majority of trump supporters are both white and working class. but those white working class votes make up only one-third of those supporting other republican candidates. these disaffected white republicans who form trump's base may be an overall minority of american voters but they are emerging as powerful constituency in the republican primaries. it is a constituency that other republican candidates are eager to win over should the donald's campaign falter. notice that his opponents are careful not to go after the

front-runner with too much gusto, lest they alienate his supporters. as buzzfeed noted to last week, only jeb bush trailing badly in the polls would attack trump directly for his statement that america should ban muslims from entering the country, a proposal a widely panned as racist. or consider that after "the new york times" reported that senator ted cruz had been privately questioning trump's judgment, cruz was request quic tweet -- trump is terrific. #dealwithit. but it trump who cruz finds terrific or is it his supporters? joining me now, executive director of the new york state democratic party. daisy hernandez, assistant professor of english at miami university. brittany cooper, professor of of aftrican studies at rutgers university. and live from washington, d.c., robert jones, ceo of the public

religion research institute which conducted the american values survey that i just mentioned. thanks for being here. good to see you again. you've really dug into some of this data that talks about white working class angst. tease it out for us a little bit. where is this anxiety among white working class voters coming from? >> well, it's coming from a variety of places. i think that's really important. on one hand it is absolutely economic. what we see is that if we look back over the last few decades we've seen a real decline in jobs, the kind of jobs you can get without a college degree. we've also seen a real decline in wages in terms of real dollars over that period. but there's also a kind of cultural component that has both a kind of racial, ethnic and a religious aspect to it. one's insight into this is if you look at the changing demographics in the country, particularly if you look at seniors, two-thirds of seniors identify as both white and

christian. but if you look at americans under the age of 30, that number drops to 30%. only 30% of americans under the age of 30 identify as white an christian. so when white working class voters i think particularly baby boomers and older white working class voters kind of look at the country, what they i think are reacting to and they are seeing what trump is tapping into i believe is this sense that a kind of cultural world and economic world to sustain that for better part of the it 20th century is in many ways slipping away. >> let me go through a couple data points from the survey that you guys did at the american values survey. this is interesting. you found that white americans believe that the american way of life has gotten worse since the 1950s, while african-americans and latinos by a large margin say the opposite. meanwhile you also found that white americans are more likely to say that the cultural influence of white men is declining. the really interesting thing is when you do the overlap between

that, that nearly 6 in 10, 58% of americans who believe that the american culture has changed for the worst since the 1950s as agree that white men are losing influence. talk just a little bit about that. >> another number that goes along with that, 60% of white working class americans also say that america's best days are behind us. there is a real sense of pessimism, anxiety, i think disillusionment among this group. what we've seen i think with the decline of kind of the christian right that played an organizing principle in gop politic and even the decline to some extent of the tea party brand, what we're seeing is donald trump stepping in as really catalyst to animate really the most disaffected portion of white working class voters. one caveat to make sure i get in here, donald trump's favorability among white working class voters as a whole is only about 40%. that's about the number that he gets among white working class

republican voters as well. but having said that, he is absolutely animating the most disaffected group of this kind of -- this important group in the american public. >> i want to bring in the panel. whitney, you've been seeing this in real time. when you are out talking to voters what are you hearing from this most disaffected group of white worning class americans. >> they realize there is a huge shift in their world. what's interesting, in rethe a if you look objectively at the numbers, let's be honest. like the influence and the huge, huge proportion of resources that the white male americans especially still have in this country, it is really not declining significantly. we have better health, we make more money, we have better education, all this. but it is changing. it is changing. one of the things when i see this anecdotally or see how

people respond to this, i see why it is such a big part of the political discussion now is i'm one of those people who still believes that the barack obama administration really affects how people see the world. because it is a very different representation of what america looks like. for me someone who's a liberal white male who's worked on social justice issues for a long time, still when i see a barack obama on tv i don't really think about him racially. what i see the white house christmas card and i see that black american family in the white house? it still catches me off-guard that there is a black first family. and i think that that in all the things, that that really, really, really affects how people see the government, why it is such an issue in the republican race. >> brittany, that is the fact, right? you do have this sort of new look of america. not just barack obama and his family but the coalition that elected them. that's still resonant for a lot of white voters. >> there is this real deep

psychology that's rooted in white dominance. right? there is a sense that seeing white people in leadership, particularly white men, gives a people of safety to the white working class. that's historically been true. there's a great book called "the wages of whiteness" where he talks about this ideology created in the 1850s to keep the white working class from allying with enslaved black people even though their working conditions were incredibly splar. one thing that's happening is we see the white working class actually voting with the party that does not have their economic interest at heart and historically whenever we see that it tends to be because the ideology of racial dominance feels like a safer bet than allying with a party around issues of class. >> robert, i want to come back to you on that. there is a very strong tendency of white working class voters even if they are at the lowest end of the economic scale, to still vote with the party that doesn't tend to favor assistance to those of a lower economic scale. did you find anything in the data to explain why that is?

>> well, a couple of things is going on here. the biggest thing in terms of understanding the white working class and it not being a mo monolith, there are strong regional differences that play a role both in politic and in terms of support of kind ever economic issues versus cultural issues. and one interesting thing to note is that if you look back across the last 50 years of elections, it really is white working class voters in the south that have been disaffected from the democratic party and have left the democratic party by about 20 percentage points here. it is really largely over racial politics, post-civil rights disaffected democratic party. if you look at white working class voters in the rest of the country, democratic share of the vote has actually been quite stable. what we're seeing here is not sort of across the board things happening with the white working class but really a kind of regional disaffection that kind

of plays out in these cultural issues where you have a more culturally conservative segment of that party, that group in the south. >> thank you very much for giving us that data support. robert jones in washington, d.c. stay right there. because up next, the voices in the crowd. a closer look at what's happening inside some of those huge donald trump rallies. earn once when you buy, and again as you pay. that's cash back now, and cash back again later. it's cash back déjà vu. the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one sided. i tabut with my back paines, i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus

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this monday at a rally for donald trump in las vegas, several protesters disrupted the candidate's speech yelling out "black live matter," or messages in favor of gun control. as security was removing one of the protesters, a young black man, people in the crowd could be heard screaming at him. >> [ bleep ].

>> well, that last bit was, of course, a salute used by the nazis in world war ii era germany. now i'm not saying that a majority or even many of trump's supporters act this way. there is no reason to think that donald trump himself knew exactly what was happening at the time. but this is the latest in a series of altercations between protesters and rally attendees that have sometimes turned physical. it speaks to the anger that's felt by some of trump's most vocal supporters and the sometimes alarming way they express it. in fact, just two days after the vegas incident, at a campaign rally in mesa, arizona, a washington reporter witnessed one trump supporters punch a protester in the side. in another, taunt to latinos in the parking lot calling them "tacos" and telling them to "go back to mexico." daisy, to you on this. i feel like there is a substantial way that the anxiety

of some of these voters -- they're white voters. we don't know they're working class -- are really focusing that anger not on programs so much but on latinos. >> absolutely. i think the support he has with these voters shows how we failed at immigration reform. succeed be would i a lou us to help these white working class families recognize how much they have in common with the immigrant families arriving and we failed at that and this is what you get now. >> not only just failed at it, the sort of uber latino savior for republican, marco rubio, who's supposed to go to washington and get immigration reform done was forced to back off of it. now he and ted cruz are competing to see who could be -- run from it the fastest. how would you be able to do immigration reform if the base of the party is so opposed to it? >> i think you have to find a lot of courage and go against the molded. rubio did do that and he won't be able to walk away from that because he took action. cruz has a little more room, he

can sort of play the rhetoric and get around it. but rubio is in a tough spot for that. >> this republican report after the 2012 election said one of the things they needed to do was get right with the latino community so they could do better than the 27% romney did. is that feasible in a party that's so fundamentally -- all the statistics show it -- fundamental organically opposed to the idea of doing immigration reform because it will change the demographics of the country. >> it's not just immigration reform. they tried to do that with black folk, too. they were in balloon, new york trying to recruit program ministers and others to the cause and it just didn't matter because of the kind of rhetoric we're hearing. there's research out of the center for american progress that says even if you look at deferred action for parents, households could be incredibly active in this process in 2016 but as you said, you have rubio and cruz trying to figure out who's best at talking about how to keep people out and keep them from gaining a path to citizenship. so it doesn't look like the republicans are at all

interested in growing their party. to the earlier. point, they're becoming far more regional as a party, not national, not inclusive. ultimately that hurts them in the end. when donald trump is saying make america great again -- like when is again? what part of history are we talking about? but clearly there's some anger that's being tapped in to there that as we've talked about earlier, we wonder if those folks are actually going out to the polls. >> i think there is a sense that you have sort of the elites in the republican party insisting that what daisy said is true, that you have to do immigration reform, but even that it seems like it feels like talking down to these voters that you've gone out and talked to who say we don't want. a couple of quotes -- this was a woman at a trump rally, the same trump rally in arizona where reporters talked to a couple of people who were at the rally. one of them said it is like we're being invaded. it's like i'm a minority here. another said, it is like my son

said, to be a white man is like a sin now. isn't it the case that even for the elites of the republican party to push immigration reform is seen to be marginalizing and talking down to and defining the base of their own party? >> absolutely. it is really incredible. what's so interesting about this whole race is that it's kind of as if donald trump has set the debate in unreality. this idea he said, okay, i'm going to decide all humans can fly and we all debate like at what altitude. that's kind of what's going on with the immigration debate. every study has shown immigrants, no matter where they're from -- whether they're here legally or not legally -- that their rates of incarceration, of violent crime are historic -- are much lower than -- i hate to say native americans, but legal americans. it's really interesting, one of them said since like 1993, that

immigration has increased -- legal immigration has tripled and violent crime among immigrants has gone down by 48%. so it's not a rational argument and it goes back to a lot of things i see when i i'm doing the whiteness project, there is a fundamental disconnect from the reality of people's experience, objective experience, what the people actually is objectively if you look at the data, and how they're experiencing it. it's very, very strange but it is no question that that cohort of working class americans are really trying to deal with this new reality. >> if i can add, since barack obama has been president of the united states democrats have lost almost 1,000 seats in legislatures across the country. it is the operationalizing of this kind of attitude and angst that i think as a party we are wrestling with now. >> that must make it really complicated to be a black or

latino or republican. because they have very different asks being made of them. >> we are the integrity of marco rubio or ted cruz, their whole goal of their party is they don't want to let people into the country. the fact that this is the thing we demand? but one of the things we see with people of color who happen to be republican is that they fundamentally believe in this notion of the american dream, that this american project is an inclusive project and we can push for it to grow. they concede this integrity of these white working class voters suggest is not actually the case and that's the challenge. but the other thing is that the gop, this is really their chickens coming home to roost. it is easy to blame donald trump for this and to suggest that he is the cause of this kind ever incendiary rhetoric but they've been engaged in this kind of dog whistle poll tickeitics to the r

a couple of decades. now they're getting embarrassed because he's so blatant about it. welfare politics, et cetera, this is the way they do things and now they're just being called out. >> so glad that you mentioned ted cruz and marco rubio because it just so happens when when we come back, cruz, rubio -- oh, yes, it's so on. e) (mic screech) there's a big difference between making noise... (mic tap) ...and making sense. (elephant noise) (donkey noise) when it comes to social security, we need more than lip service. our next president needs a real plan to keep social security strong. (elephant noise) hey candidates! enough talk. give us a plan.

two top-tier candidates in the race for the gop presidential nomination, senators marco rubio and ted cruz, finally mixed it up this week over immigration reform. >> there was a time for choosing, as reagan put it, where there was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like senator rubio, to stand with barack obama and chuck schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. >> as far as ted's record, i'm always puzzled by his attack on this issue. ted, you support legalizing people who are in this country illegally. >> i led the fight against his legalization and amnesty bill. >> does ted cruz rule out ever

legalizing people who are in this country now? >> senator cruz? >> i have never supported legalization psh. >> do you rule it out? >> i have never supported legalization and i do not intend to support legalization. >> daisy, i am fascinated by this fight between two latino republicans over who can be more opposed to legalizing largely latinos. >> it is painful to watch. absolutely. i think what's interesting to me is, absolutely, it is a race to whiteness. who can be the whitest person in the room right now. i think it is less representative of the latino community which is what i find fascinating. it is more representative of where the u.s. is right now. where actually i think rubio in a lot of ways is the future. he can talk about race, engage and compromise. ted cruz is that other side. he's the donald trump side. >> let's listen to marco rubio talking about -- today, just this morning on "face the nation," he continued this tag. what he's done really is to bait

ted cruz because ted cruz also actually used to support -- he proposed an amendment that he said would improve the immigration bill that marco rubio helped to negotiate with chuck schumer and others. this is marco rubio going after ted cruz for what he says is hypocrisy on his position this morning. >> when you run by telling everybody you're the only purist in the field, you're the only one that's always consistent, conservative, well i think then your record is going to have a light shown on it and in this case it's proven that in fact well after the immigration debate had ended he was still talking about how he was open to legalizing people. >> this is not marco rubio talking in a very subtle, sophisticated way about race. this is hub saying you see? i'm the one who's more pure. he was the tea party guy who still has to prove his bona fides as against legalizing undocumented immigrants. >> the way they are talking about legalizing people the way they talk about legalizing marijuana is very interesting rhetoric. i think we should call that out. right? what we are talking about is

that folks who contribute to this country and who have been here for generations and also folks whose parents have been here and who have been making a life for them are being denied a pathway to citizenship even though in many respects they have more of this american ideal that we celebrate than any of these guys is talking about. as an african-american person who stands in solidarity with other people of color, i think it is important to name the way that this rhetoric plays out in the public that it becomes really problematic. right? but also, again, there is the way that republicans engage in politics around race which is why they're becoming a party that shows themselves to be increasingly unfit for the demographics of the country in the 21st century because they require that people of color, whether we are talking about african-americans or latinos, pledge their loyalty to republican ideal by denying any of the sort of legitimacy of any of these social issues that matter to people of color constituencies and we have to reject that. >> i want to play now ted cruz.

i think ted cruz in my opinion is probably the republican candidate who's most situated to unite these various squabbling factions of the republican base should trump not be able to go all the way to the nomination. this is ted cruz trying to explain his position on immigration and whether or not he did offer an amendment to support what they're calling an amnesty bill. this is him talking to fox. >> the fact that i introduced an amendment to remove part of the gang of eight bill doesn't mean i support the rest of the gang of eight bill. >> that is not what you said at the time. yahoo! dug up these quotes. you said if this amendment were to pass, the chances of this bill passing into law would increase dramatically. sounded like you wanted the bill to pass. >> of course i warranted the bill to pass. my amendment to pass. what my amendment did -- >> you said the bill. >> -- takes citizenship off the table. it doesn't mean that i supported the other aspects of the bill which was a terrible bill. >> he sounds like he's in

confession, that he's trying to explain his sin. but ted cruz, despite that moment, does seem to have the alchemy, he seems to have found the formula that does make him more appealing to these very voters that you interviewed in the whiteness project. >> i think it is that idea that there's certain types of latinos, certain types of black people, certain types of asian people that white voters really like. what i actually think is really interesting is i did a bunch of interviews with some people who were half latino, half white. this idea of how you become white when you're latino and talking very directly about what it means to leave that -- leave your heritage behind. this was a real desire for it of this group i interviewed in dallas, about leaving that -- the latino heritage behind because it allowed them many, many more opportunities. so it's very, very, very strange to see. as i said earlier, i just think that the thing that's most confusing for me is this debate

about immigration as a bad thing. it's just fascinating to me where -- look. we're all anchor babies on some level. this idea that somehow you are trying to reject that heritage and make a connection to something that simply doesn't exist. >> it's interesting, i agree with your point that if there's not donald trump, i think it is ted cruz that's sort of the inheritor of that kind of demographic. but when you talk about marco rubio, it's interesting that he could be for republicans what clinton was for democrats in 1992 as a candidate. he is now sort of getting into this conversation with ted cruz about legislative politics which most americans don't understand. you could transcend that and he's chosen not to. >> and he's at 11%. i do think it is important to point out, if you look at that republican field, their debate stages have a lot of diversity. democratic stage, oh, the irony. up next -- "saturday night live" gets to have its say.

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last night, "saturday night live" once again spoofed the most recent republican debate. >> before we go to commercial, we'll give jeb one last chance to make an impression. >> guys, listen. if we work together, we can stop donald trump. if combine my numbers with yours, yours, and yours, we'd almost win. >> hey, jebra, shut your pie hole. >> you know what? you're a jerk. you're never going to be president, donald. >> yeah, no kidding. none of us are, genius. >> then because life imitates art, let's listen to real jeb bush talking about donald trump today. >> just one other thing i got to get this off my chest. donald trump is a jerk. >> actually, that was on saturday. now let's listen to real donald trump responding today on "meet the press." >> look, his people gave him that quote. you can see he was just saying,

okay, i'm ready now. i'm ready now to say it. jeb is a weak an ineffective person. he's also a low-energy person which i've said before but he is a weak and ineffective person. >> at a certain point it is hard to tell which is the parody and which is real. >> donald trump has not done this on commercials or spending money on advertising at all. >> he doesn't even have to show up to be on tv. he just calls in. but the interesting thing about jeb bush while we are talking about him is jeb bush is not just the guy who used to be the front-runner, the guy who raised $100 million. he's also the guy who had the ability at one time in his career to translate the politics of immigration in a way that seemed rational and seemed like it would be helpful to the party. why has that not worked for him? has the party just passed him by? >> what's so funny about watching those clips. i don't want to say it is my original idea but i read a great

article about comparing donald trump to -- the debates -- the campaign to a boxing match. everybody's boxing. and donald trump is a professional wrestler. they're trying to score points with their hits and he's hitting them over the heads with chairs. jeb's been out of office so long, campaigns and tactics with social media have changed a lot of. you don't have the evangelical wave that rode his brother into office. he hasn't been able to capture that for a period of time. a lot of what i think jeb had counted on to get him to do well in these debates and in these polls has actually dissipated and been eaten up by all these other candidates. >> have the makes of campaigning changed or have we seen a part of the republican base simply decide to draw a line in the sand on immigration and trump is on their side of the line and jeb is on the other? >> i think they have drawn that line. jeb bush i almost feel was surprised by his own party, and

didn't know how to show up because he is actually region to compromise on immigration and is willing to come toward the center. right? but his party isn't. they're not there anymore. >> i wonder what the implications are, if we continue to move to these different polls, by having one party which is the party of multi-culturalism, the party that has all of america he a racial identities in it and one party that is almost entirely white. what's that mean for the country? >> i'm hoping that anybody that's on the side of multi-culturism wins. i mean this is the win that we need. what i think is that this is white supremacy's last hurrah. i've been saying this for a while. what i mean is folks have lots of anxiety about the fact that the demographics of the country are changing. we simply will not be a majority white country in just a couple of decades. that is what is true. those are the facts. so i think that -- but what has not changed though is the amount of power that white men in particular but also that white middle class and white upper

class has. so what they are doing in terms of policy is building a scaffolding so that if we're not careful, if we're not vigilant and if we don't get some real structural policy agenda on the left that actually attempts to change this, what we're going to have is a situation in which white people still retain a lot of power even though the demographics of the country look more colorful. that's a thing we don't have. >> what does that mean for the non-economically empowered white american? >> you know, the non-economically empowered white america, stein beck said they always consider themselves as embarrassed millionaires. i think that's one of the problems. they identify can rich people. but i think one of the issues, one of the things that really concerns me, we sit around the table and criticize what's going on, and we say this is bad what they're saying and we aren't necessarily making the positive argument on the other side. whether you look at the sam's club flap or anything like that,

mult multi-culturalism isn't an opposition to something that's bad. it is actually something that's good. it always confuses me we always make these binaer dry distensio. >> the supplier wanted to see more diversity. >> but she didn't say why. in my world, i want a diverse team of people working on all my projects, not because i'm some sort of like do-gooder but because it is good for me. it makes my -- i only have a single narrow vision of the world and i have a wide range of opinions to experience on my team benefits me, it makes what i do better. i think when you talk about multi-culturalism in the country, it makes the country better. it is not just some arbitrary concept. >> no one is making that win-win argument in a way that's compelling to these voters. i want to thank you my panel. bringny co brittany cooper will be back in a bit. up next, he has virtually no chance ever being president but he just might be the king of the

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in his quest for the gop presidential nomination, south carolina senator lindsey graham is currently polling at near zero. and perhaps those not-so-great expectations have freed the struggling candidate to speak the truth as he sees it and to crack wise in ways his competitors wouldn't dare. senator graham did just that on tuesday night during cnn's gop undercard debate, affectionately known as the kid's table delivering a performance in the li lindsey graham style that's become an entertaining staple in the 2016 debate season. it set up the gut punches he threw at other candidates, mainly donald trump. he ridiculed their rhetoric, side-eyed their policy positions and of course he managed to save a jab or two for president obama

and democratic front-runner hillary clinton proving that sometimes the undercard offers a better performance than the championship bout. for those who missed it, here are a few unforgettable moments with senator lindsey graham. >> to my good friend, ted cruz. please ask him the following question. you say you would keep assad in power. i will tell you that is the worse www.possible thing that could come out of an american leader's mouth. his favorite move is apparently "princess bride." "princess buttercup" would not like this. >> i'm not afraid of a guy riding around on a horse without his shirt. the guys got a pair of twos it and we got a full house. >> george w. bush made mistakes but he did adjust. i blame obama for isil. not bush. i'm tired of beating on bush.

i miss george w. bush. i miss he were president right now. we wouldn't be in this mess. >> if you're worried about somebody having your phone number in the government, don't be. the only thing you need to worry about is if you're talking to a terrorist and a judge gives an order to listen to what you're saying. we're at war, folks. they're not trying to steal your car, they're trying to kill us all. >> donald trump has done the one single thing you cannot do. declare war on islam it ef is. isil would be dancing in the streets. they just don't believe in dancing. this is a coup for them. and to all of our muslim friends throughout the world, i am sorry he does not represent us. for god's sakes, mr. trump, you're asking to be the commander in chief, the leader of the free world. up your game. >> i would stay. i would hold the hands of those who are willing to live in peace

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this year, "sports illustrated's" sportman of the year is a woman, even though a lot of folks thought the title should go to a male. serena williams is the first

individual woman athlete to snag the honor in more than three decades. the magazine gave us a laundry list of why. she won three titles, went 53-3 and provided at least one new measure of her tyrannical three-year reign at num bir one. twice as many points as the ranking number two. it triggered an unprecedented public outcry. unprecedented because the haters were hating because the winner is human. that's right. "sports illustrated" named their champion, an online poll gave the magazine readers a chance to weigh in. serena received just 1% of that vote while american pharoah, the horse that won the triple crown this year got a whopping 47%. adding fuel to the fire, the "los angeles times" asked, who is the real sportsperson of 2015? appearing to grant legitimacy to an already problematic debate.

serena is taking the whole thing in stride. >> i've had my shares of ups and downs. i've had many struggles, blood clots in both my lungs, at the same time, and i lived through tragedies and controversies and horses. i had to say it. >> american pharoah, meanwhile, had no comment because he's a horse. back with me is brittany cooper. she wrote a salon.com piece on serena. the truth about serena and american hero. here's the real reason why the comparison is so insulting. what's the really reason besides it's a horse? >> because people aren't horses and black people in particular are not animals. but that is actually a thing this country has struggled to acknowledge. we built this country on the fundamental idea that black people were property, of no more value than animals. folks are acting outrage saying

black people are being hypersensitive when american pharoah had an awesome year. we can't understand this comparison outside of this long history of always seeing black people as animals first rather than seeing their humanity. for the "los angeles times" to suggest a horse is a person is absurd and outrageous and we have a right to be mad. >> the supreme court thinks corporations are people. the religious right thinks fetuses are people. such ideas necessitate -- necessarily undercut black people and black women in particular conveniently goes unacknowledged in public discourse. the idea of expanding personhood is ironic given the history when the humanity of african-americans is just bald down to can we just say black lives matter. >> we have a social movement whose job is to say that black lives have value. there's this lack of structural

acknowledgment that we have a long ways to go in terms of conceding the inherent value of black people. i'm thinking of something said many years ago. i hate this quotation but she said black women are the mules of the world. i reject that but i understand that black folks certainly often want black women to bear the load and weight and burden of american racism and then to deal as serena did with such grace and power and beauty even when that's not well deserved. >> so that becomes part of the challenge here. but also another thing is serena is absolutely excellent. she's so wonderful they had to name the serena slam after her because she defied what we already know. we're in a moment where the supreme court is deciding a case about affirmative action that is a case about whether excellence is the thing being rewarded or not. we have a country saying we don't want black people to receive special considerations

and then serena showing up, exploding all of the rules and then people saying she's not even as good as a horse. >> i have to show this cover. it's so fierce and she's so gorgeous. another component of the outrage and the response to this serena williams cover. you talked about it in your piece. i want to read what was written in the dale i beast. there's been a anti-serena element because she didn't fit the stereotype of the old-fashioned elegant white female tennis player. she was big, muscular and black. let's be candid about it. there's been plenty of that unspoken prejudice against serena. and then quoting a longtime horse racing broadcaster. >> there's this long history of unsexy black women. serena talked about it in her remarks. they criticized me because i didn't look like other people. i looked stronger. but her femininity has been called into question.

the "sports illustrated" cover tries to celebrate her femininity. this is the classic sojourner truth, ain't i a woman where she wears the truth. sojourner had to bare her breasts to prove she was a woman. strong black women's bodies, that strength we love to celebrate about black women we claim it unsexes them and makes them not feminine and disabuses them of the right to make a claim to womanhood and the protections that come with it. i appreciate the way serena has said my womanhood is fine. my strength is fine. you are the problem. >> she's gorgegorgeous, fabulou fierce. thanks to brittany cooper. thanks to you at home for watching. now time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt." >> i'm the biggest fan of serena williams. her talent, her beauty. get on you for that conversation. to all of you, a private moment

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