due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> i got 30 years to spend five for probation. if the judge got sentenced to 30 years, you know, he would be freaking out. >> i don't think about the days. i just go day by day. i go by each meal. try to sit and be good at each

meal. >> i never heard of such a thing. 12 years old, go to treat them like an adult. >> kids are coming in, it is rough. i feel sorry for them. >> 25 years i could not comprehend. i wrote a good-bye letter to my family and hung myself.

>> a maximum security prison unlike any other in the state of indiana, home to a cell block of 53 kids, sentenced as adults. >> i am colt, 15 years old. it is overwhelming just to know that there are people in here that could be my grandpa. it is quite odd. everybody calls me young and i am always treated like a little kid. they made it sound like i was horrible, cold-blooded. i am not the person that they may think i am from reading something. i am way different from that. >> 15-year-old colt lundy at the start of a prison sentence for conspiracy to commit murder in the death of his stepfather. the boys fled in the victim's

car. what would drive two kids, neither who had a brush with the law, to commit such an unthinkable act. reports showed no explanation. >> i got 30 years to spend, five for probation. i never thought i could go to prison. i just thought the worst would be probation and boys school but you don't realize it until after the fact that every decision that you make and every choice has a repercussion whether good or bad. this could happen to you. i looked outside. dark outside. look up in the sky and it is totally black. i see the brick buildings and i think just thinking wow. this is something that sometimes just hits you.

>> sometimes like a dreamlike. >> teenagers like colt and his roommate are not alone. across the united states 10,000 kids under the age of 18 are serving adult time in prisons. >> somebody got stabbed in the mouth. they tried for the neck but missed and got him in the cheek. another got hit with the lock sock. the prison weapon. lock sock, put it in a sock and then you tie it right here so it does not come out. and another sock so it doesn't rip and you got a weapon. this is deadly. another guy not too long ago got beat to death with a lock sock, to death. >> in indiana all adults are

incarcerated in the youth unit. without all prisoners kept separate. the young offenders are isolated from their adult counterparts and rarely leave their own cell block. >> this is your whole life. i spent five months in county. if they let me out then that would have been a wake up call for the rest of my life. >> once a youth offender turns 18 they are transitioned into the adult population either here or one of indiana's other adult facilities. >> you know you just don't know what to expect. you are just surrounded by people thaw don't know and you don't know how they are or what you are go to do. your whole life is controlled by somebody that you don't know and any time something could happen.

>> my name is miles, i am 17 years old. i am incarcerated. i did not care about anything. i started marijuana at the age of 7. i personally think i became an alcoholic and only drank hard liquor. i was 13 and turned 14. partying all the time. when they sentenced me to 36 years, i was really speechless. i just looked in awe as the judge walked out of the courtroom. >> at 16 miles was sentenced for nel me robbery and criminal confinement charges and still keeps the local newspaper headline from what he calls the worst day of his life. >> 16-year-old miles fulson went to the bathroom in the jail

carved i'm sorry on his chest and attempted to hang himself. he was arrested before he died and told the judge he is a changed man. the deputy prosecutor said she did not buy the change of heart and that claim was not enough to overcome the young man's violent history. the judge sentenced him to 36 years behind bars. even 25 years i could not comprehend. i wasn't thinking clearly. it hit me. i wrote a good-bye letter to my family and i hung myself. another inmate heard noises or something. he had found me and called for the police. finally they picked me up. it was a slip knot and pulled it from around my head. >> some might find it hard to reconcile the miles in the

newspaper story with that one. he serves as an educational tutor for new kids. he earned his ged in prison and has a coveted job in the kitchen and clean up crew. >> this is prison. you can only do so many things. if you do nothing, then you become nothing. i started to write kids in a group called risk that i was in that i failed. i tell them what it is like for me in here. there are many open cells. i don't want to see them. >> when we come back another child behind bars and a court ordered stand will see the youngest kid in indiana history behind adult prison walls. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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>> young kids serving hard time in the state of indiana, only

one prison is their final destination, wabash valley. kids spend their times behind the walls in the wabash unit. kids at wabash rarely leave the unit due to the danger posed by the adult prisoners just outside their door. >> at night when you don't have anything to do that is when it gets to you. you think of all of the king you could have been doing on the outside, everything that you are missing out on. >> the kids incarcerated in indiana did not come in a one size fits all package. colt is a 15-year-old with no history in the system doing 30 years for conspiracy to commit murder. 18-year-old robert bealer committed battery and threatened to kill a police officer. he is serving a two-year sentence.

>> i am in ccu for a fight. >> bealer is at the start of a three-month stint in segregation. >> we were playing cards. got into it. he smacked my face with the cards. i hit him a couple of times. he is on the ground and started kicking him. >> what brought to you wabash? >> i wanted to see my brother so i got in some trouble on the outside. >> you wanted to come to wabash. >> yeah. it worked out that way. day before i got there he was here. >> what is your first memory of getting in trouble or doing something bad. >> i was 9. i was at school. i got in a fight. knocked back a chair and threw it at the teacher.

i grabbed his watch and split his wrist open. they locked me up and sent me to juvenile and i liked it. >> when it comes to kids and punishment, the question needs to be answered do kids, no matter what the crime, belong in adult prison. mike is in charge of the youth services at the department of correction. >> they are still juveniles. they are still young in mind, body and spirit and in everything. yet they have committed some pretty serious crimes against society. the natural reaction, particularly for kids going into an environment like that learn survival skills. it is not a positive environment. >> we have to basically rely on somebody in here that you can

halfway trust because you don't trust anybody in here, nobody. other than that you are on your own. >> we are standing by wherever you are clear. >> for 15-year-old kids coming in having 30 years to do. users and abusers all over this place. >> greg knows what it is like to be a young kid serving hard time. he was convicted for the murder of both of his parents becoming the youngest person in indiana history to be sentenced as an adult. at that time there were no separate facilities for younger facilities. >> i had guys trying to tell me don't tell them you are 15. tell them you are 17. first guy to ask me. i said i am 15. he is like what. you know how quickly that spread throughout the prison? you know how many people wanted to be my bunkie at the time for

the wrong reasons? >> he was 15. i remember him coming in and pulling over and talking to him. he looked so young. he had that baby faced type of thing. >> the prison superintendent knows him well. he was superintendent of wabash when he first arrived. both now at kokomo, indiana. he remembers the intense discussions that took place as staffers prepared to put an eighth grader in a cell with an adult. >> you are going to live with somebody. we got together. we screamed who is going to be in there with him. we have a duty to protect everyone. we tried to go in something that would be a positive direction. >> it was scary. i was tense.

i had never been to prison. what if i have to do things i am not supposed to do. kids coming in, you know, it is rough. i feel sorry for them. >> three offenders will be coming in. we will be processing them to the facility. two are the youth offenders. >> all right. come on. >> stand on the right. >> all of your clothes in these bags here. put your shoes in this bag. the clothes in this bag. all right. >> all right. >> the majority of them are quiet, not knowing what to

expect. it is totally different than where they came from. >> at first when you get here you are nervous because you don't know how it is going to be. the comfort level is a nine or ten all the time. >> hold it below your chin. >> on any given day in the united states more than 10,000 kids under 18 are held in adult jails and prisons. today 17 years old aaron and harrison become two of the statistics. >> hey, this isn't bad. >> yes, sir. >> you can't imagine on the outside what it would be like. >> it is crazy, ain't it.

>> yeah. >> home, sweet, home. >> never call this place home. >> got to be tough. >> got to prove something to somebody. >> you just have to be yourself. >> here in 101. >> this is home, man. >> i need to be punished for what i did. nothing is go to take that away. but it shouldn't have been just punishment. not like i just walked out into society and took a random person. there is a reason it happened. there is an understanding behind this. i have been locked up for 18 years and i still never had a chance to get the counselling

for why i killed my mom and dad. if everyone has such a great opinion, where were you before? where were you in school when i am showing all the signs. where were you then? >> my name is michael stanley. i am 18 years old. i am in wabash correctional facility. i have seen murderers, a lot of high crimes all the time. i thank god every day that i got the time that i got. i wouldn't know what to do if i had 30, 40, 50 years. >> what are you in for? >> robbery. >> michael and arulius woods are best friends and cell mates. they could be shipped out to the

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>> i was kind of scared. i didn't know where i would be and everything. >> 12-year-old paul gingrich is one of the youngest kids in indiana history to be sentenced as an adult. he was a friend of colt lundy's when the boys fired two shots. paul was sentenced to 25 years but due to his age and size department of correction officials placed the seventh grader at pendleton maximum security prison which only houses juveniles. >> it is not the first murderer here. but he is not the tal thing you would see. you would expect a larger, scarier kid and that is not the case with him.

he is kind of a little guy, even for his age. it is hard to imagine someone of that age being in that position. >> had you ever been to juvenile? >> no. this was my first time. >> gingrich's age and lack of criminal record caught the eye of -- monica foster. >> he never had a juvenile referral. zero juvenile referrals. to treat a 12-year-old as an adult is for the system to say we give up on you. there is nothing that we can do to rehabilitate you. and to me that is selling the justice system so far short. it is selling a kid like paul so amazingly short.

it is just ridiculous. >> monica and paul's mother hope to keep paul in a youth facility. but as it stands now paul will transition to wabash soon as officials feel he matured enough to make the move. >> i think he should be held accountable for the part that he had in this. and i will suggest counseling, therapy and programs to help him. >> mike dempsey has other reasons for wanting to keep paul in the juvenile system. >> the fact is you can't put a 12-year-old child in that type of environment and expect him to have half a chance. you can't do it. i think that there are probably some adult defenders who sincerely want to try to do the right thing and help. but there are a lot of predators out there as well that will eat

the weakness up. they can get into serious trouble very quickly, life endangering trouble. >> this is different than i thought it would be. i wasn't expecting the razor wire. it sucks. you don't want to come here. >> there are a lot of hurt feelings that happened with these cases. understand when people are out there and they are angry and they are hurt. somebody needs to pay for that. but not just one person. you don't want to throw the kid away. don'ts don't just wake up one day saying i am going to kill somebody. >> a lot of people may think that, you know, this is a good place for them. lock them up and throw away the key but it is not that simple.

>> miles full sson learned the hard way. >> i learned i had a 1 1/2-year-old son. >> after two years behind bars miles is prepping for the biggest visit of his life. the chance to meet his little boy. >> it feels scary. i am more scared about seeing my son than i am being in prison. i don't know if i am going to try to hold him and if he is going to cry or reject me. just thinking about it hurts. >> hard as it is for miles to serve his time in the youth unit thinking about his son, what lies in store will be tougher. >> a turn 18 in a week. it was told me on my birthday or the next day they will be transferring me over to the adult side.

>> officer maggie miller is used to dealing with the range of emotions that accompany the change. >> they don't say a lot about it, you know. they don't tell me a lot about their feelings of how it is to transition. but you can tell that some of them do get very nervous about it. >> michael stanley learns how it feels to be told it is time to move to the adult cell block. >> they will move you over there. >> usually pretty quiet. >> is it as big? >> oh, yeah. it holds up to 200. 100 to a side. two to a cell. >> my counselor came and talked to me. i am getting packed. talking to my roommate.

guess i was the first one up to go. i ain't really mad about it though. >> stanley won't be transferring to another prison with his best friend after all. he will be staying at wabash instead. >> it is going to be cool. >> later today stanley will walk through the massive prison gates and he will make the move with someone else that he knows. >> i hope the transition is smooth. i know i will be talking to everybody. i have to be associated with everybody. he does too. hopefully he follows my lead. i know how to conduct myself around adults. it is going to go pretty smooth. pretty smooth. >> coming up. >> we are adults now.

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colt lundy lived behind adult prison walls at the wabash prison correctional facility after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit murder in the shooting death of his step dad. >> i couldn't believe what happened. how could i be in this situation. i went from a's and b's to be in jail. i did not even know what to think at the time. every day i think, you know, if i did one thing different. it is a waste of time to do that. once it is done, it is done. >> lundy's 12-year-old friend was sentenced to 25 years for his role in the crime but due to his age and size department of correction officials placed him in pendleton juvenile correctional facility which only

houses youth. >> both kids we get in will be here 6 to 12 months tops. that takes on a different dynamic when you have someone like paul who is 12 and already knows and recognizes that he will have to grow up, go through puberty ain a correctional facility. >> it is these reasons paul and his lawyer keep to fight him in. >> trying to go to the indiana supreme court to try to get an appeal. >> sentenced as an adult but held at pendleton juvenile paul is stuck in legal limbo. >> this is the kid i had that is a legal adult in a juvenile facility. we are learning as we go how to

deal with this and what his situation brings to us. until he is 21 we could do that. i don't imagine we will have him until 21. >> i think the juvenile justice system is capable of dealing with this situation and in fact they are fully dealing with it right now. he is in the juvenile justice system. if the judges' order stands he won't be here much longer but he is thriving in the system and doing terrific. >> mike dempsey knows special steps must be taken. >> regardless of the offense they may have committed you have to weigh the fact that it is a 12 or 13 or 14-year-old child and they are not fully developed. you have to weigh that against the nature of the crime that was

committed. it becomes very difficult. >> along with the possibility of being moved to an adult prison paul must grapple with the idea of spending at least the next three decades behind bars. >> i go by each meal. try to be good at each meal. >> if you want to build a permanent underclass of people that go out and commit terrible adult crimes you just send all of these juvenile kids to adult facilities because that is what you will end up with.

>> it has been a year since michael stanley and alexander rankin arrived at the youth unit at wabash. today they transition to the adult population where they trade a unit of 53 kids to a cell block of adults. >> secret word is no. >> got you. >> feel like i am going home. >> it's clear. >> we are adults now.

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people don't know much about prison but what they see in the movies and stuff like that. the food is horrible. you got to wear a jumpsuit every day. only come out of your cell a couple of hours every day. you are on guard all the time. you don't have any freedom. freedom is the worst part. >> right here door on the left. >> for the next few years this cell block will be home for alexander rankin and michael stanley. >> small. small as hell. >> you are not going to get the

people that want to fight, probably got those that don't care about other people. i get along with everybody. i catch on quickly. i will be able to know what is going on. >> 18 years earlier, greg went through the same transition as a 15-year-old. >> well, they are going through feeling extremely paranoid that a lot of guys are checking them out. i was 15-year-old and baby-faced. you have guys in for sex crimes that molested guys my age. i am doing i'm along side them. i am in the shower with them. >> i was 21 years old as a correctional officer for the first time, i was petrified and i was just going in there to work. obviously for a kid going into an environment like that, without question, has to be the scariest thing they have gone

through. >> it is extremely sensitive and crucial that you think for yourself and you do what you think is right and not what you think someone else wants you to do that you know yourself is wrong. >> while stanley and rankin face new challenges in their adult cell block, 12-year-old paul gingrich has similar issues even in a juvenile prison. >> it is difficult to keep him safe. a type of kid that liked to mess or pick on the smart kids. he is an easy target, even in a juvenile facility. >> do you think about wabash at all and what that is like? >> i try not to. i don't know what i will be

expecting. >> for now wabash will remain a mystery to paul gingrich but for others it is a second home. >> i always get in trouble. i have been in juvenile, went to vegas to boot camp. i am always in trouble. >> bealer landed in prison on charges of battery and threatening to kill a police officer and currently in segregation for starting a fight. >> name off the people in your family that are in prison. >> my brother, cousin, cousin, uncle williams. my cousin james. my ruuncle rickey. >> your mom or dad? >> my father was killed in front of me. >> how?

>> well, we were at the house. somebody knocked on the door. my daddy opened up the door. dude is like you -- pushed him and started shooting. my dad ran back in and he fell on the ground. he started fighting for breath and stopped breathing. >> how old were you? >> 14. >> what did you do after that? >> made threats. that's all i could do. >> my parents, you know, they had the paperwork to bring them down with him. but she didn't want to. never had the visit. never had the visit. >> this is not a kid that we should say there is no hope for you. it is unfathomable. >> when i get out i am never messing up again. i know what it is like in here. not just on tv but really what

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surreal landscape when you meet the young kids serving hard time in america's prisons. inmates like robert beeler in the juvenile system most of his life. dad killed in front of him. seven family members behind bars. kids like paul gingrich, never even in trouble with the law suddenly locked up at age 12. now serving 25 years in prison. you can't spend time with these kids and not ask the question -- where did it all go wrong? >> growing up, i never really realized the path that i was headed. like it's not that i couldn't have seen it. but i just never took the time out. it really, it didn't hit me until the judge sentenced me to

36 years. and then it's like oh my god, the rest of my life could just be gone. i don't believe that there was anything that could have helped me besides for this. >> six months after we met miles we went back to see him at wabash. now in the adult population we asked about the visit with his son. >> never had the visit. yeah, never had the visit. my parents you know they had the paperwork to bring him down with them. but you know, she i would like to tell my son i love him. you know and hopefully if i get out, he never remembers any of this. because he's still young. >> a lot of people, like day one all over again. >> i hope some of my friends are listening to me you know. some of my friends out there running the streets with me, doing the bad things we did terrorizing people. it could all change one day by the decisions you make.

>> as for paul gingrich, lawyer monica foster continues to fight to have his sentence appealed. >> i would expect that we'll have an opinion by the end of the year or very early next year. >> we'll be asking for oral argument and i'll be making a pest of myself as best i can within the rules. this isn't a kid that we should say, there's no hope for you. it's just -- it's unfathomable. >> i like to keep things perspective. i've almost been locked audiotape year now and i don't remember what it's like to be outside you know. and do those things. and i just -- you got to keep that mindset like you know you're going to, i'm going to be able to do them again some day. you can't be thinking about negative things. if you do, you're just going to sit in here and just destroy yourself every day.

>> for me, it's, it took 13 years for me to actually say it sounds a little cliche, maybe to me it sounds cliche because i've heard it so much. but actually i forgive myself. it took me 13 years. i could understand why i did it. and tell a story about why it happened. i know what i was thinking back then. i know what i was feeling and i know i didn't want to do it. but i felt trapped and no one was helping me. even though i was asking and pleading for help, no one was helping, and it happened. i'm able to tell myself now that i have something to offer and i'm actually, i like to think i have more to offer because i've been on both sides. >> i mean i'm remorseful for what i did it takes more than that. i mean once you've done something, you can say sorry all you want, but there was a crime done and you have to serve your

punishment. you know you learn from everything in your life. everything you do, cars, you know who you become. if you do nothing, you become nothing. >> if somebody would come here and just like give me a second chance, i would just be so happy. because i know now that when i get out i'm not ever messing up again. i know what it's like in here, really, not just on tv, but really to experience it. >> i don't wish nobody bad or nobody, i don't wish nobody would ever have to get locked up. people do what they do, all they can do is learn from what they done. next time you see me, it's going to be out there sre positive. yo, for sure. best believe that.

dear crew, how have you been doing, i hope good. i was thinking about it the other day, i'm definitely not the person described in the old newspaper article. but really it wasn't far off from what i used to be. sometimes i read the article and it just seems crazy to say that was me. i was so lost. i've learned over the years that i'm a person of extremes, that can be a really good thing or a really bad thing. when you have a person like me on the wrong path. it gets bad quick. but likewise if i'm doing the right thing, i can't be stopped. i can't explain how a place like this can make a person feel. i can promise you that you never appreciate how beautiful the world is until you've seen it from behind this fence. someday when i get out, i hope i'll be able to show you and everyone else the person i've become. until then i'll work harder than ever to keep my head up and keep smiling. sincerely, miles. >> dear karen, i received your letter tonight. since the last time you were here i've changed a lot. day-to-day life in prison is

very taxing on your mental state. tough learn fast or you will get ripped off and what not, but i'm doing pretty good. it was funny the other day i heard someone on the phone say -- she was dreading to have to spend three hours at her grandparents. and i was thinking to myself how wonderful it would be to stay at my grandparents' it amazes me how different life is in prison. it's like a whole different world behind these walls and i remember how i was an think of how many kids are out there being dumb. they don't even realize it only takes one bad choice. that's all it takes to take away a good chunk of your life to this horrible place. if i could send a message to all the kids around the world it would be something like this -- you're not untouchable. have fun and do what you want, but always think before you do something. nothing is worth being locked away from your family, friends and freedom. i'll go for now, sincerely, cole lundy.

>> announcer: due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. thank you. >> good luck. >> you, too. >> good luck. >> open 501. >> like a dog like in a cage. there ain't nothing you can do. >> during the crime there was a lot of panic, fear. things just got out of hand, you