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hormones and drugs, there's an excess condition where the body makes too much growth hormone. and that causes a disease called acrow meggaly where people get overly large. their muscles get larger. their hands and feet, bone structure, their skull gets larger. they're not good athletes. >> i wish we had more time. we had that breaking news. thanks so much for your insight. always appreciate you. that is going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm craig melvin in this afternoon for kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now ♪ if it's monday, the new hampshire new hampshire man donald trump, dubbed a low life, is here to respond. you're going to need a sledge hammer to bust up these granite counters. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now.
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good evening from new york. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. with just 42 days to go now before voting. live free or die may be taking on a new meaning for the republican establishment in new hampshire. that's where it's increasingly looking like a do or die situation for that establishment on the road to the republican nomination. right to rise, the super pac allied with jeb bush is looking for help on a letter-writing campaign, aimed at undecided voters in new hampshire. that's not all. "the new york times" reports that the group has received over $10 million in tv ad time ahead of the primary. that includes two spots set to air during the super bowl. just a month ago, the "union leader" new hampshire, a major political player in new hampshire threw its support behind chris christie. the new jersey governor was flailing nationally, but that endorsement breathed new life
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into his campaign. he's spent the most time in the granite state. both christie and bush say they're counting on new hampshire to vet the field. that's an open plea to knock donald trump off his pedestal. ahead of trump's rally tonight in new hampshire, he's been less focused on bush and christie. instead, he's sitting his sights on hillary and bill clinton and he says attacks on bill clinton are fair game. >> i think he is fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very troubled, to put it mildly, because of all of the things that she's talking to me about. i mean, she's mentioning sexism. but we have to fight fairly, and she's playing the women's card and it's like, give me a break. >> thats a sharply different tone from trump back in 2008, when he showered the clintons with compliments. >> hillary's a great friend of mine. her husband is a great friend of mine. they're fantastic people. you know, the thing, they get a
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bad knock. she's a very nice woman. people think tough, tough and i guess she's tough, but she's a very nice woman and she's a very nice guy. we know all about the smarts, how smart they are, but they are good people. >> and the clinton campaign's reaction today was simple. they announced that the remember toer president will be campaigning for his wife in new hampshire one week from today. some critics of trump's tactics say that going after bill clinton would cross a line, but for trump, that complaint is now common place. a big newspaper backing christie, the "union leader," said that is exactly what disqualifies trump from the presidency. in their cover page today, he uses a side by side of donald trump and the character biff from "back to the future," dubbing both of them bullies and saying the trump campaign insults new hampshire voters. trump responded to that front-page editorial by calling the publisher dishonest and saying that christie may have
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cost republicans the 2012 election. >> he's backing chris christie and it's ridiculous to back chris because i know chris very. look his state is number 50 out of 50 economically. he was so warm and so happy to have barack obama in the state of new jersey that i personally think it could have cost romney the election. he had asked me to speak at events, joe mcquaid, he's a real low life. there's no question about it, and then on top of that, he does this. and i knew he'd do it because i didn't do his debate. his debate turned out to be a total failure, i didn't do his debate. >> voters lack consensus in new hampshire. take a look at the latest poll. trump is the clear leader in new hampshire. rubio, cruz, christie, bush, kasich. if you add all their numbers up, it would be enough to overtake trump for first place in the state. but the key question, can all of
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that establishment support consolidate behind one of those candidates before primary day? remember, not included in that establishment lane is ted cruz. cruz is tied for the second-place spot, he is counting on iowa evangelicals to help him shift support from trump to capture iowa. snagging either iowa or new hampshire has been a must in modern republican politics. no one, no candidate in the modern era has ever won the gop's nomination without either state. and joining me now is the publisher behind that searing trump editorial, joseph mcquaid of the new hampshire union leader. i'm sure you've read or heard the response from donald trump. he calls you a low life, he krits a number of examples, favors you asked him to do, and says in the end, this is what you chose to do. he calls you a low life. want to get your response to that. >> well, it's long overdue. i've been awaiting something
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like this since we endorsed our governor christie, who, according to trump, i'm christie's hand puppet. the reaction doesn't surprise me at all. >> what about specifically that accusation from him? he says that you are incahoots with chris christie. he said chris christie is behind this editorial, it was his idea. >> yes, yes. no, it's all nonsense. he says a lot of things in that diatribe, including that i invited him for lunch. i think it was actually him inviting me after he gave a speech up here. and i chose my country club, which happens to be the municipal golf course in manchester, steve. i could have you there too. the membership is 780 bucks a year. it's absurd. his other claim is that i wrote this editorial because he wouldn't do our debate last
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august, which was actually a forum, because the rnc wouldn't allow us to do the debate. he wrote me a letter two days before the debate, saying that he was a great judge of business and his instinct was that i was not going to endorse him, so he wasn't going to do my lousy event. two days after the event, he sent me another letter, which i have in my coat pocket, in which he says, the debate was terrible, bush was terrible. everybody said i was a genius not to do it, and, oh, by the way, when you get around to it, would you please endorse me for president. >> asking about this editorial, we know the "union leader" is famous for doing front-page editorials. what was the impetus for you to say we're going to take sunday's paper and make the case against
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donald trump? >> it was actual today's paper, which is monday. and donald trump happens to be making another one of his fly-by visits to the state this evening. and as i said in the editorial, he'll no doubt draw a good crowd in nashua, the state's second largest city, and he'll say all kinds of things. it's getting down to the point in one more week when people here are really going to start paying attention. you and i do, and the twitter-verse does, but now people who are making up their minds are going to do so. and i can't stand or sit by and not call out trump as being not what is good for the republican party or america. >> let me ask you then too, the concern, i've heard this expressed by a number of republicans who do not want donald trump to be the republican nominee. and they look at the situation in new hampshire right now and they say, look, marco rubio has a lot of support. jeb bush has a fair amount of
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support. the "union leader" is pushing chris christie. john kasich has spent a lot of pony. those four candidates are basically dividing up the non-trump vote and making it possible for trump to win that state, unless that support consolidate around one candidate trump wins new hampshire. do you agree with that? >> i do agree with that statement. my editorial said that the majority of republicans will disabuse trump of the notion that he should be in the white house in the new hampshire primary. but as you say, there are at least four serious contenders who would be much better presidential nominees. and if this was a perfect world, i, as the hand puppet of one of them, would tell the others to get out. but they won't do that until the new hampshire primary, which is what is great about the new hampshire primary. the people there will winnow the field, and i think kasich or bush or christie or rubio, whoever doesn't place in the top
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three, let's say, will read the writing on the wall and will make a graceful exit, because they know that they've got to coalesce to stop mr. trump. >> all right, joseph mcquaid, publisher of the "union leader" in new hampshire. today's paper still in my head, but today is monday. thank you for taking a few minutes. >> okay. see you soon. all right, i'm joined now by our panel, kasie hunt, carolyn ryan from "the new york times" and james pinnedel from "the boston globe." james, you know a thing or two about the "union leader" and his role in politics. joe mcquaid wants to get the vote consolidated behind chris christie. how much sway does the unileader have to stop trump in new hampshire? >> i used to write for the "union leader", so you're right.
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one of the most important roles they play right now is to make people take a second look at chris christie. that's been their role. chris christie before the endorsement and after the endorsement, it's night and day. he's got a lot of momentum. what they can do against other candidates like donald trump, this is only going to reinforce the notion for a lot of people that the media and the establishment are out to get donald trump and they help him. but i'm not sure how many donald trump supporters are reading the "union leader" or they may be seeing this on tv. >> i think something bigger is going on here. what you're hearing from joe mcquaid and really a fight for relevance. people in iowa and new hampshire have felt like the nationalization of this contest and the overmemp sis of polls has diminished retail politics and places like the union leader are used to having a formidable impact on the race. it's a message to new hampshire voters, if you want to matter, you can't just ratify trump.
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>> and it's the extent that that one-on-one contact works, kasie, the town hall meeting and all that, that would seem to play to christie's advantage. but what about that idea, you have that log jam, trump at 30% and everybody else bundled at 10% and none of them will get out of the way before the primary. >> it may come back to bite them. that's what he heard from scott walker too. he essentially made a plea, i'm getting out of this race, maybe some of you who also have some common sense want to step out and leave a little bit of space here. but i'm not sure that there are so many of these candidates who are hanging their entire future on the state, i have trouble seeing a world in which jeb bush drops out before he gets a chance to take a crack at new hampshire, especially with the millions of dollars that are going to be on the air. john kasich, little bit of a question mark. i think rubio's path forward depends in part on how he performs in iowa, but again, his team has been stockpiling cash. i have a hard time seeing that
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he drops out before and i do think this idea that they're all going to suffocate each other and a significant one. and i think to james's point, the "union leader" backing christie and christie having this opportunity, they are in many ways, trying to point the support in one direction and to give him a little bit of a life raft. the reality is, he may have the strongest natural political skills in the bunch and that makes him stand out in a place like that. >> when you look at the establishment lane, i know they would recoil at the label, but if you put christie, rubio, kasich and bush in the establishment lane. christie's running with the "union leader" leader endorsement. does one of them have a leg up now in terms of consolidating that support? >> rubio's been having buzz for the last month or so, but he's getting criticism for his ground game in the state. the largest team in the state is jeb bush, in terms of actually having staff and people.
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and they are the most talented group on the republican side to have. but chris christie has been all over the place and getting a lot of credit. kasie's right. you have these people creating this log jam. the reality is, iowa and new hampshire are worried about the relevance, particularly how 2015 has played out. the weird thing though, at the end of the day, the traditional role of iowa and new hampshire to winnow down this field could be just as strong as ever, because we have such a large campaign and such a large field of candidates. if these candidates do not perform well, you can see a number of candidates dropping out after new hampshire. george pataki and john gilmore, but john kasich is done if he didn't perform well. ron paul if he didn't perform well. chris christie if he doesn't perform well. and carly fiorina if she doesn't perform well in iowa and new hampshire, is probably done. so you see a number of candidates, that if no one breaks through, a lot of them
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have to probably get out. >> please stay with us. trump will be live at 7:00 p.m. tonight in new hampshire. much more on his chances and his new targets on the trail later in this hour. and next, a big win for iraqi forces over isis. a look at what that means for the global anti-isis strategy. stay tuned.
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today a grand jury decided not to indict the police officers who shot and killed 12-year-old tamir rice. the officers say they thought the boy was pulling out a real gun. it turned out to be a pellet gun. attorneys for the rice family released a statement this afternoon accusing the prosecutor of mishandling the grand jury process. a short time ago cleveland mayor frank jackson spoke about the case. >> this has caused the city of cleveland with the loss of a child at the hands of a police
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officer to do a lot of soul-searching. and in the midst of that soul-searching, we have made some changes. >> the cleveland police department is now undergoing an internal review and cooperating with the justice department. meantime, chicago mayor rahm emanuel is cutting his vacation to cuba short to address the fall-out of this weekend's police-involved shootings in chicago. right now investigators are releasing very few details about what happened on saturday. we do know that it started as a domestic disturbance call. police say it ended with two people shot, one accidentally. 19-year-old man armed with a baseball bat was killed after police say he was, quote, combative. and a 55-year-old woman was, quote, accidentally struck. mayor emanuel has already instituted some reforms and police say there's an independent review under way. the police department is also under federal investigation over its use of deadly force. demonstrators have for months
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major developments in the fight against isis in iraq today. after months of failed attempts, the often criticized iraqi army, made a successful push back into ramadi, a critical city 80 miles west of baghdad. re-taking the governing center from isis with the support of u.s.-led air strikes throughout the operation. iraqi security forces released this drone video showing their fighters raising the country's flag from the complex's roof. iraqi military leaders first claimed the city was fully liberated, but later they clarified that parts of the city remain under isis control. u.s. military officials tell nbc news that small pockets of militants still need to be cleared out of the suburbs in the north and the east. secretary of state john kerry commended the iraqi army and labelled the operation a major defeat for isis in the region.
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with us now to dig deeper into what recapturing ramadi means for the fight against isis, chapman bell in london, courtney cubey at the pentagon and ron allen who is covering the president in hawaii. chapman bell, let's start with you. what have we been hearing from iraqi leaders today about ramadi? >> iraqi leaders are hayling this a victory. the spokesman of the joint operation command in iraq going on television today and calling it the happy news of victory by iraqi security forces liberating the city of ramadi from the occupation of the terrorists of isis. this was followed by flag-waving and troops celebrating as they secured that government complex. we're also hearing from a spokesman for the counterterrorism forces. he said that government forces are still working to -- on ieds in the city there. a brigadier general and spokesman of the ministry of interior and baghdad operation
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command tells nbc news there are areas within the borders of ramadi still under control, but these are small areas, mostly in the north suburbs and that there are plans to secure and hold the city once it's totally libera d liberated. he said security forces launched a major operation in fallujah. also we've heard from the prime minister saying we're coming to take mosul and the final blow to isis will be next year. >> thank you, chapman. courtn courtney, what are you hearing? >> u.s. military officials say ramadi remains in a state of combat, despite weeks and months of the iraqi security forces isolating the city and beginning to move into it several weeks ago. there was intense fighting during some of that. once they reached the government city center in the last 24 hours, they met very little resistance from isis.
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and military fishes here aoffic saying some of isis are melting back into the population and some are leaving. isis has been taking some of their large equipment and fighters out. so they met very little resistance. what this means really, this is a symbolic victory. in addition to being a tactical victory, it's symbolic. ramadi is one of the largest cities in the country. it sits on a critical highway that links iraq to syria and to jordan. but of course it's also a confidence boost, fact that the iraqis have taken much of it back now. because back in may, when isis took over the city, it was a humiliating defeat for the iraqi security forces. now they can look at this as a confidence boost, work with the sunni tribesmen to take it back, if they can hold it, which is the next big challenge they're facing. this might provide them enough of a boost to take back mosul. >> thank you, courtney cubey.
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now to honolulu and ron allen. the president's taken a lot of grief, certainly over his isis strategy, certainly having faith in the iraqi army as well. i imagine, this is something the president and the administration are pleased with. >> reporter: yes, pleased. but they're not declaring victory. and because they're watching the situation still as courtney and chapman were pointing out, there's still a lot of fighting going on. but for the administration, this would be a big victory, because it's essentially the strategy working. u.s. air strikes, hundreds of them over the past few months, 600 or so, and local forces, most importantly, iraqi forces, taking the city. taking ramadi back. now, it also on another layer is important to note that these government forces are primarily shi'ite forces and they're taking back a sunni town. so they can essentially say that isis is not winni ning in a sun area which is significant at that level, because that's been the big problem, trying to get
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the sunni-led government of iraq to take back -- the shi'ite led government of iraq to take back sunni areas and hold them. but in the big picture, this seems to be the strategy working at a time when the president has gotten a lot of criticism for not pulling off a lot of victories. and fallujah lies just down the road and this moves on to mosul and to raqqah, that's the ultimate objective of the administration to beat back isis in those areas and win the war. so, again, no declarations of victory here. but clearly a lot of support, a lot of statements of support and congratulations to the iraqi forces because the united states really wants to motivate that army, motivate those forces to continue on fighting, because that's the key to victory against isis on the ground. >> all right, ron allen in hawaii, as you can tell from that incredible background behind him there. thank you for joining us.
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severe weather is still impacting a big stretch of the country today and the 2016 campaign trail isn't i'm mun from its effects. chris christie and marco rubio canceled events in iowa today. town halls in dubuc and davenport for christie. a stop in burlington for rubio that would have kicked off his bus tour with congressman trey gowdy who is endorsing him. both campaigns are expected to get back to schedule tomorrow. but of course the weather is doing much more serious damage than simply changing campaign plans. at least free people have now been killed in seven states over the last few days. and millions of americans are
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under weather advisories right now. new mexico under a state of emergency after snow pummelled that area. flash floods killed eight in missouri, including four international soldiers studying. in texas, nine tornadoes hit the dallas area. four county disasters have been declared as thousands are left without power. nbc's charles hadlock joins us from garland, texas, where an ef-4 tornado barreled through, leaving 11 people dead. this is bad enough. could this get worse? >> no. the storm has moved out of texas now, but the lingering effects here will be affecting at the people in the dallas county area for quite some time. we're in the city of garland, hard-hit by the storm, an ef-4 tornado. take a look at the landmark apartments on the southern edge of garland. complete destruction here of some of the buildings. about 200 units are here.
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about 15 to 20 people were injured in this apartment complex. no one was killed here. the fatalities occurred out on the freeway. interstate 30 passes right in front of this building and eight fatalities occurred here saturday night when the storm came through. it swept several cars off the freeway. they didn't know it was coming. luckily, though, a lot of people heard the warnings and were able to seek shelter. that's what a lot of people are crediting, the sirens went off early. also television and cell phone were sending out alerts about this storm on saturday. steve, back to you. >> charles hadlock, thank you for that. still ahead on "mtp daily," donald trump's personal attacks -- attacks get personal. we'll see how his comments are being received on the campaign trail. that's next, but first the cnbc market wrap. >> we saw a steep drop in oil
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politics. donald trump will hold a campaign rally in new hampshire in just over an hour from now. this morning, the biggest newspaper in that state called trump the equivalent of a middle school bully on a front-page editorial. trump didn't mince words in response, calling the publisher of the paper, joe mcquaid, a low life. i got his reaction to that exclusively just moments ago. >> it's long overdue. i've been awaiting something like this since we endorsed governor christie, who according to trump i'm christie's hand puppet. the reaction doesn't surprise me at all. >> in the past 48 hours alone, trump has gone after both hillary and bill clinton, also chris christie and the biggest newspaper in the leadoff primary state. so who might be on trump's list for tonight? joining me live from outside trump's rally in nashua, new hampshire, nbc's hallie jackson. i guess it's always a guessing game with donald trump.
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>> yeah, don't ask me, steve. >> you don't have a target list for tonight, do you? >> i think we can go off what we've seen from trump so far. particularly when he got to twitter over the holiday break. it's bill clinton, hillary clinton and even trey gowdy and marco rubio, some of his republican rivals. the cast of the usual suspects. but the bill clinton attack is a new line for donald trump, hitting hillary clinton's husband for what he likes to call a penchant for sexism. trump flipping hillary clinton's words about trump to use them against bill clinton. he's in a state tonight, steve, where he's welling the polls by double-digits, the latest boston herald poll showing trump with 26%, followed by rubio, christie and ted cruz even. but it's a place where donald trump can expect to find some support. i just walked over from around the corner where there's a ton of people waiting to get inside. i spoke with one couple from nashua and they like donald
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trump for the same reasons that you hear people talk about, that he speaks it like he is, and he's not like other politicians. i said, you'll vote for him? they said, not so fast. they're still making up their minds. chblt like donald trump, they don't want to give away their leverage. they know they have it. hallie jackson, thank you for that. as hallie mentioned, trump hasn't taken his eye off the republican competition. he went after trey gowdy after reports that he would endorse marco rubio. >> i hope he does a better job frankly than he did in the benghazi hearings. they were a total disaster. he didn't win with those hearings. it was a total not good for the country and for republicans. i hope he does better for marco than he did for benghazi hearings.
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>> kasie hunt, carolyn ryan and james pindell here. let me ask it this way. let's give up saying trump is going to have the meltdown moment. but you look at the strategy of ted cruz, say nice things about donald trump and trust that republican voters will be sort of like what hallie was just describing. they show up at the trump rallies. they like him and what he's saying, they hold back from supporting him because maybe he's not presidential enough. is that the risk for him, getting into fights with the clintons and trey gowdy? >> yeah. and it's mysterious strategically why he won't engage ted cruz. obviously he seems incapable of going after anyone who says nice things about him. but it has been brilliant tactically on cruz's part to essentially draft behind trump, figure out the parts of his message that work for cruz and just keep rising in the polls. i do think the mysterious part for me on the democratic side
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is, why hillary clinton seemed to engage trump, when she was running through a very good period, very much in control of the primary race, and now she's dredging up the bill clinton stories and i don't feel like -- there are very few people who come out of a back and forth with donald trump enhanced by the process. so for a dominant person on the democratic side to get into it with trump seems bizarre to me. >> one thing i've heard, stuff gets out there that otherwise we wouldn't be talking about. monica lewinsky and the clinton scandals if trump didn't fight back. is that the down side? >> and trump has a way of hitting the nail on the head in a way that's not always polite, that maybe people talk about at cocktail parties, but don't want to say on television. part of the reason his attacks have been so effective because he's hit on an underlying truth that people don't want to admit. it's part of, he hit on the fact that jeb bush was not a strong
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campaigner, and it took bush a while to go back after him. but the reality is, this is about the base of the republican party. so the calculus for hillary clinton is much different than for these republican primary rivals of his. and i think in many ways she benefits. you remember how president obama made fun of the birth movement. that's what trump tapped into, that's what particulademocrats when they think of trump. so to a certain extent, it's less of a risk for her. >> to ddo you have an idea, amo republican voters, trump is bringing up republican battles from the 1990s, he's trying to dredge them up again. is there an appetite to go down that road among republicans? >> certainly an appetite to go against president obama and say whatever bad thing you can about
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the couple minutlintons. trump has tapped into that. if you can remove both of those particular figures, it's not surprising that deep into primary season, you have the democratic front-runner looking past her primary opponents and onto the republican side and the republican front-runner doing the exact same thing. but then clearly we get into the personalities of trump and clinton. >> and carolyn the date, january 4th, next week, bill clinton's first campaign appearance formally for his wife, going to new hampshire, two events that day. do you think he's going to get into this battle with donald trump publicly? >> it would be interesting to see. so far, he's been above the fray and they clearly see him as having a very special connection with new hampshire and for that to be kind of an uplifting moment. but as you've seen in past campaigns, bill clinton staying on script is not a given. so, you know, there could be some unpredictability here. >> that's what we saw in 2008.
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seemed that bill clinton got baited into a lot of these self-destructive public moments by something barack obama said. one of his supporters said. donald trump knows how to get under people's skin. >> he does. but when that happened in 2008, hillary clinton was losing. and right now that is not the case at all. so i think the question is whether trump goes so far as to do something that really gets under bill clinton's skin. honestly, we've seen him be more defensive of her, as long as his attacks continue to be centered on him. i'm not sure he's going to react the same way necessarily. he's certainly weathered worse than what donald trump is throwing at him right now. >> january 4th, on monday, you not only have bill clinton in nash nashua, that night, donald trump in lowell, massachusetts, 20 miles away on the same day. circle that date. >> the town i grew up in is halfway between, like the neutral zone. >> by design. >> i love it. >> people in new hampshire feel
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shots i've known in my life. with a lot of lemon flavor on it. >> that was the harlem globetrotters meadowlark lemon during his induction into the basketball hall of fame back in 2003. today we learned that lemon has died. his combination of hook shots and humor won him fans around the world and earned him the nickname the clown prince of basketball. lemon was a member of the globetrotters during the team's hey day in the 1950s and '60s. he played in more than 7,500 consecutive games. according to the globetrotters website. he played in over a hundred countries during his 24 seasons as a globetrotter. during those years, they played for the pope, for kings, for foreign leaders, including the soviet union in moscow at the height of the cold war. and here at home, the globetrotters' 1948 win over the
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minnesota lakers is widely credited as being key for the push for integration if the nba. this is meadowlark lemon with secretary of state henry kissinger. kissinger trying his best to spin the ball, globetrotter style. the globetrotters said today they are dedicating their 90th anniversary tour to lemon and to a fellow globetrotter who passed away in may. meadowlark lemon was 83 years old. pump up your look plumpify your lashes with new plumpify mascara
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with a who. it's hillary clinton. an annual gallup poll named her the most admired woman in the world. for the record 20th time. barack obama was named the most admired man in the world in the same survey. >> now jeb bush on the art of the selfie. >> it wasn't that long ago that people wanted signatures on thing. i want my damn selfie and i'm not leaving until i fwet it. so we spend a lot of quality time doing that and hoping the person has a long enough arm or i will take just for the record, young people do it better than people. we'll go through a training class here. it's cooler to do it diagonally rather than straight up. remember that, and it's better to do it higher than lower, because you look skinnier.
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national security become top issues on the campaign trail, it's putting a stark spotlight on the differences between marco rubio and ted cruz. in a new "new york" magazine piece, jonathan chain explores how that is leading the gop in existential conflict. the feud reached fever pitch at the last debate of the year. cruz tying rubio to, quote, more aggressive washington neocons and rubio going after cruz on national security. rubio echoed the bush era view around the globe saying in his own doctrine, i will support the spread of economic and political freedom and advance the fights of the vulnerable. as cruz calls for a, quote, america first foreign policy," flirting with a type of isolationism often found within the libertarian wing of the party. attacking rubio saying, "one of the problems with marco's foreign policies, he far too often supported hillary clinton
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and barack obama. we need to focus on killing the bad guys." our panel is back with us. kasie hunt, carolyn ryan and james pindle. the only real major voice in the republican party dissenting on this bush era foreign policy doctrine was rand paul. now you have ted cruz getting there you have donald trump out there saying iraq was a terrible mistake. they add this other element that the polls don't talk about. they talk about a strong military. they talk about bombing, but they don't talk about big ground troop commitments. it seems a certain strain of thought re-emerging in the republican party. >> it's an interesting interior psychological conflict. you see it playing out in the republican party. on the one hand, there is a lot of skepticism about american
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misadventures, a sort of hangover from the bush era. if you remember back in 2013, this sentiment seemed to really take hold of the republican party. that's when rand paul was riding high. obviously, people feel less safe now. they feel threatened. they're reacting to things happening both here and in europe. there is a sense that we've got to do something in there is a desire for aggressive action. there is still overlaid skepticism about the money and the cost of some of the wars we've undertaken under bush. you're seeing that play out. one thing you brought out which is really important. people talk about how cruz has benefited from trump. what they don't talk about is the way he co-opted the rand paul activism energy. >> hearing cruz use the term neocons, i couldn't think of the last republican besides rand paul to say something like that. >> if anything underscores the ongoing feud between ted cruz
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and the bush family, this contributes to it. a couple of things. you have seen -- cruz taking this posture is not a new thing. it evolved the past few years. i covered him and rand paul in the senate. cruz was on that filibuster for drones right beside rand paul. now rubio is in some ways trying to turn some of these steps cruz took in the senate against him. i also think it's remarkable rubio is taking that tack. the reality is he is able to do it where jeb bush can't. if you think about why the american public hasn't seemed ready to accept another bush, the iraq hangover is a big part of it. jeb bush struggled for months to try and answer questions would he have gone into iraq knowing what we know now? he stumbled and flailed around a bit. it was the beginning of that slide we saw in the polls. rubio doesn't have that baggage. he has this, both cruz and rubio
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have this cuban heritage that allows them to speak personally to these issues. >> i'm sorry we ran right out of time here. we'll get you next time. thank you for joining us today. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." erica hill picks up our coverage next. tonight on msnbc live, three big developing stories. >> he was frantic because his wife was still trapped at the end of the house inside. >> twisters. golf ball size hail, flooding rains, freezing rain and blinding snow. a weather nightmare after christmas for tens of millions of americans. plus, this -- >> the police officers and the police department must live with the awful malice that their mistakes, however unintentional led to the death of a 12-year-old boy. >> a perfect storm of human
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