. welcome to morning joe. it is thursday, december 31st. >> i am excited. i know you're excited too because tonight new year's eve i know exactly what you're going to be doing. >> what am i going to be doing? >> you're going to be getting some ribs and you're going to be getting some wings. you love wings, right. you're going to be getting some chips and salsa. >> i'm going to get in my bed and i'm going to eat it all by myself. >> you're going to eat it piled up while the family is out celebrating. >> and i'm going to watch the ball drop. >> and you're going to watch the ball get kicked aufd and watch the university of alabama and we'll probably win by about

three touchdowns. >> i think i'm going to watch on a loop steve harvey screwing up the miss universe pageant because that's the biggest fail ever. there's something about it that makes me insane. >> here we are at the end of the year. that obviously was quiet a moment. what are some other moments this year from 2015 as we draw it to a close either personally or profession professionally? let's do what time magazine botched up. what's the biggest story of the year for you? >> i think it's the presidential election and donald trump leading in the polls for so long. >> i think he's redefined so much. i think trump is the person of the year or story of the year. you want to wait and see if somebody collapses and names him person of the year last year or next year. you look at the debate that has been fundamentally reshaped by the presidential campaign.

we have a guy named jeb bush who was suppose to run away with it. >> and was ready to. >> and was ready to run away with it and the play book got ripped out of his hands, got torn to shreds and you now have donald trump and ted cruz, two outsiders, now dominating the political discussion. >> we have a lot to get to our next hour including our conversation with donald trump in manchester, new hampshire. >> plus a morning joe exclusive. we set down with billionaire businessman charles coke. why he hasn't backed a candidate yet for the presidential race and he still at the end of the year not sure they're going to get involved this year. >> then the mayor of new york city says he announces the endorsement of hillary clinton. why did it take so long to offer his support? >> also, bernie sanders seeing a

fair amount of republican backers who are attending his massive rallies. >> first, donald trump joined us in new hampshire hours after the republican debate in milwaukee. >> a big massive beautiful plane. >> we kick things off by discussing an emerging fault line when it comes to national security and foreign intervention. >> let's talk about policy. big battle over what the united states should and shouldn't do. the united states has been run by neocons. you have marco rubio who wants to spend a trillion dollars more on national defense. and then on the other side you had rand paul. where exactly do you stand between those two polar opposites? >> i would say i'm the most mill t -- militaristic on the stage. i tell the story of you when you almost fell over.

i was talking about osama bin laden going to come on our shore and do some bad stuff we better be careful and he said when was that book written? it depends on what we're talking about. we have to be top of the line military. frankly, it's a great exp expenditure. people are looking at us as weak. they have a lot of bad things going. >> you say that the united states should not be the world's policemen. >> we owe $18 trillion. >> i think i'm a little bit more on the let's go side than that. at the same time i love the fact that putin is bombing the hell out of somebody. the people he's bombing right

now have to be isis to some extent. that was a russian airplane and went down. i assume it was a bomb. they don't want to say it. having putin dropping bombs on isis is a very positive thing. we don't have to do 100% of the bombing. >> jeb bush says it's wreckless and irresponsible. >> i think it's wreckless for us to get bogged down in syria and end up in world war iii and millions of people going all over the world and nobody knows what's happening and frankly, assad is a bad guy. we're backing people we don't know who the hell they are. we're backing people we don't know who they are and they're getting the hell knocked out of them anyway because russia is taking care of that one. i spoke to a general two weeks ago who is really up on it and they said donald, we have no idea who that is we're giving all this stuff to.

what do we have? we don't know if it's going to be worse than assad. what are we doing? in other words, what are we doing? we shouldn't have gone into iraq. we destabilize the entire middle east by doing it. because of that we have isis. look at libya. it's 10 times worse than it ever was when we had gi -- our bridges are falling, roadways falling. i see airports and most beautiful things you ever seen. i can name 20 different places and then you land here with potholes in the runway. the place is falling apart. >> but, there is a beautiful trump airplane at the end of the runway you see every time you land. >> oh please. >> it's every time you land. >> when it comes to the infrastructure we have, there's so much that needs to be done

here. last night i heard you say you would keep the minimum wage as is and not raise it. explain how that's necessary good for the economy. $7.50 an hour. people can't live off that. >> we're becoming a noncompetitive country. that's the problem. we're becoming noncompetitive. i would love to say make it $50 an hour. it's great. it's a tough decision politically. the best thing for me to say, i'm running for the first time in my life i'm a politician. i never respected politicians. now i'm a politician. >> do you have people working for you making $7.50 an hour? >> maybe i do somewhere along the line. i got thousands of people. we have to become competitive with the world. everything's too high. we have to compete with other countries and if we're going to say hey, i just seen in new york where they made it $15. >> you can argue our wages are

flat. >> what's going to happen is people are going to start firing people. you know the old story. it's happened a hundred times and always happening. i'm not saying from that standpoint, mika. we have got to do something to compete with the rest of the world. our country is not competitive anymore. that's why we're losing all the manufacture. it's currency manipulation and all those things i talked about last night. a lot of currency manipulation. china is a tremendous abuser of the united states. i said the other day in the history of the world there has never been a greater theft than what the united states, how we've been taking care of by china. it's one of the great bank robberies of all time. >> explain that. >> china has manipulated our currencies, taken our jobs, our base and so much out of us. we have lost hundreds and thousands of companies and millions and millions of jobs. >> isn't that better though for

the consumers that yes, maybe china can build something cheaper but it comes back to us at the end of the day where we actually. >> it's better for china. not better for us. we're losing our jobs, everything. we're losing manufacturing, base, everything. now, we can change it. last year. >> would you be a protectionist? >> no, i'm a free trader but we have to have better deals. last year and this year will be almost $500 billion in balance with china. $75 billion u.s. trade when you talk about an imbalance with japan. $55 billion with mexico. so we're going to lose 55. it's not actually a loss but it really is a loss. to say it's not a loss, it really sort of is. $55 billion trade balance with mexico. you can go right down the line. >> so you've ridiculed trade deals that the obama administration has made. are there any good deals?

>> not too many. >> one? >> i can't name one. the iran deal maybe the worst i've ever seen negotiated and i'm not talking about between countries. maybe the worst deal ever negotiated. the iran deal they get 150 billion and get everything they wanted. they cave point after point. >> what do you do on day one if you're president of the united states? you said before obama made the deal and trump has to live with the deal. >> the biggest problem is they're getting the 150 billion. no matter how good i do the money is gone. i hate that the money is gone. i've always liked money. i hate that the money is gone. $150 billion will be gone. hopefully, when i get there, i'll do such a good job, mika. you'll be so proud. >> really? >> the money is gone. >> so let's talk about money. you have talked about using united states laws to further your business. you've used bankruptcy laws and

often to your benefit. what happened to those investors after you filed bankruptcy? >> let's go back. every major person that you've had on this thing in terms of business has done the same thing. >> i don't disagree, donald, i'm not arguing that. i'm just wondering what happened to the others. >> i used the laws of the country to make good deals for myself and also, i've had hundreds and hundreds of companies. three or four times i've done a reinstruction so people could keep their jobs. i did one deal where i bought the accompany, it was a terrible accompany, the guy made a terrible deal. he was a friend of mine and down and out. i bought it and immediately threw it into a chapter. beat the hell out of the banks, those poor banks, and made a good deal out of it. it's called business.

good business. you do those things. you use the laws of the country, the laws of the land and i did and so have, i go one, two, three. name the top 10 business people you know and i can tell you most of them have done the same thing. >> also, major companies whether it's delta or others that have done the same thing. >> take a look at atlantic city and almost everybody is in bankruptcy. ceaser's just filed for bankruptcy. >> thousands of jobs. >> black, smart guy. just filed for bankruptcy. many of the top business people. we do it because it's good. >> let's talk about immigration. last night you get pounded from all sides mainly from john kasich and jeb bush saying your plan to deport illegal immigrants is not realistic. >> first of all, we have a country, we're a country of law and have to abide by certain things.

you need boarders. i will build the wall and get the wall paid for by mexico. >> how exactly do you get mexico to pay? >> it's easy. trade imbalance between 45 and $55 billion. they were going to spend 12 billion on the wall and i'm going to spend 7 and it's going to be bigger and better and nicnic nic nicer. >> to close out, canada decided to hire in his cabinet. will you have women in your cabinet? >> i have many, many women in my accompaniment probably almost more than anybody. maybe more than 50%. i'm not one that has to make a

pledge and i wouldn't want that because i'll tell you i want the best person at each position and i think you would want to hear that. i want to get the best to endorse me. i'm going to get carl involved with china. i'm going to say carl, watch our trade deal. it stinks with china and we're going to say wow, all the sudden things are getting good for chien sna. >> still ahead on morning joe senator bernie sanders running his presidential campaign on the most aggressive platform. >> why is mayor bill de blasio supporting hillary clinton? >> plus our conversation with senator sanders himself is on the way. plus charles says he's failed at picking political candidates plus he responds to harry reed's alk ewization he's un-american.

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now to our interview with

charles coke. they've given relatively few interviews about what's driving their roll in today's political landscape. >> we set down with charles in his childhood home in wichita, kansas for this wide ranging discuss. >> how discouraged are you at the current state of the republican party from what you see on tv every day, from what you see in the debates where so many issues that matter to most of you and me are not talked about. >> i've don nottobeen discourag long time. i've been involved in these ideas for over 50 years and for 40 of them i wasn't involved in politics because i was so disgusted with both parties. and then in 2003 i thought well, maybe george bush will advance

some of these because in his campaign bush 43, i'm talking about. in his campaign he touched ond some of these. well, maybe there's hope. by 2003, three years later he was going to opposite way and was one of the biggest spenders of all time and created more destructive regulations along with the fed pumping all this money into housing to create an artificial boom and bush pushing it and fanny and freddie creating this whole corrupt system that then when that fell apart brought the whole economy down. and then getting us in wars that made no sense to me at the time. and so we said we got to oppose this. >> when bush came in we had $155 billion surplus. when he left we had a deficit that was up to 500 billion, the

national debt doubled. it's doubled again under barack obama. the question is, i know that you have worked hard with your brother to elect republicans. are you about to get discouraged and get out of politics again or do you think there are republicans out there that can fight and carry your message or democrats or independents or anybody? >> no, i don't care what party. i just want to be whose going to advance these ideas to take us away from this two tiered system getting involved in all sorts of fun productive things and all this waste and like our total funded that and unfunded liables are probably over a hundred trillion now and going up to the sky. so we're headed for disaster. >> do you see a candidate out there? >> not in great measure.

i take it it's not donald trump. >> i made a vow and i'm not going to publicly comment on any candidate. david said some nice words about walker and that was written up to give millions to his campaign. >> i hope none. zero. >> good profit right there. >> no. i like scott an awful lot but if things don't turn out. >> and another example, ted cruz, we haven't given any money to him. some other people who support some of our things gave money, gave 15 million to him. so that was atributed to us. >> are you a registered republican? >> yes. in kansas.

>> have you ever voted for a democrat? >> yeah. i've voted for a democrat. david has voted for more but he's in new york. >> there's a new york times article and i'm sure you saw it a couple weeks back saying 150 families have contributed overwhelmingly to the candidates in the race right now. the overwhelming amount of money. that's not a way to run a democracy, is it. 150 families basically funding most of the presidential campaign. >> it depends on to what end. if it's to get policies that will create, open up opportunities for people and get rid of all this corp. zamoratism and corporate welfare where in what? seven of the richest counties in the done there acountry are in d.c. and have two year presidential campaigns. that's all anybody focussed on. why is that?

that isn't random. it's because the government is picking winners and losers. you want to be a winner more than a loser. you slant it your way. the money that we raise which we hope to raise 250 million for all elections, not just presidential next year whether we can or not because i'm going to give very little to that because most of mine goes to my foundation and other things to advance these ideas. so what we're working for is to get that picking winners and losers out of it. then we won't have two year presidential campaigns because people realize it's more important to run their own lives rather than trying to control part of the government. >> aren't you still getting caught up in the same cycle of buying influence? >> no. so far, we're largely failures

at it as you can tell. >> but you want to -- >> yeah, but the perspective is all wrong because we're trying to raise 250 million to fight all this stuff. there are hundreds of billions being spent to advance it because you look at all the money going out in these districts that then come back to the congress people, get them votes and build more power and the whole system is one two re-elect income bans. somebody's got to fight it. do you see other large companies fighting this? we're about it. if we didn't do it, who would be trying to stop this racket? this is a huge racket that's wrecking the country. >> i want to ask you something personally. mika and i talked about this when we spent a little time with liz and you before about how

surprised you seemed a few years back at the level against you and your family, even harry reed calling you un-american. something we talked about on our show time and time again. >> it's too bad that they're trying to buy america and it's time that the american people spoke out against this terrible dishonesty of these two brothers who are un-american as anyone i can imagine. >> what kind of personal impact did it have on you and your family and are you shocked on the level? >> to get in this business, you've got to realize that harry truman was right. if you can't stand the heat, don't go in the kitchen. i recognize that. i mean, people aren't going to scare me off. i mean, i've been doing this for 50 years. politics only what is that, 12,

i had been involved in this for 12 years. i'm kind of like martin luther when i'm on trial. i dedicated my life to this. these ideas we've been talking about transit form my life. it's my mission, i feel moral obligation to help other people learn these and transit form their lives. but it's frightening for the future of the country to have these public officials try to hurt and destroy private citizen when oppose what they're doing and maybe have a conversation and find areas we can work together on, on things we agree to make the country better instead of this dishonest attacks. >> up next, bill de blasio ran

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welcome back to this knnew year's eve edition of morning joe. we're bringing you top interviews from the resent weeks including a sit down with the new york mayor bill de blasio. >> bill and hillary worked to get de blasio elected mayor of new york city. >> for several months he held off on endorsing her second bid for the white house telling chuck todd this in april. >> let me tell you this, are you for her now or are you waiting to see if she takes your advice on moving to a more aggressive agenda? >> i think like a lot of people in this country i want to see a

true vision. >> so your technically not yet endorsing her. >> no, not until i see and i would say this about anybody, until i see an actual vision where they want to go. >> i think she's one of the most qualified people to run for this office. we need to see the substance. >> six months after that meet the press appearance. we wanted to know what changed to go public with the support. >> you have an announcement. >> i do. we have to look at the election a year ago where democrats wouldn't talk about the tax with the wealthy and they have consolidated their views. the candidate who i believe can fundamentally address income and equality effectively has the right experience to get the job

done is hillary clinton. i've seen her vision and platform develop over the past five months. she has a history of fighting issues that convinces me. >> you say it's developed. has she gotten more sensitive to the plight of the poor? the knock has been just like chuck shoomer. if you're a senator from new york like chuck or hillary, you got a lot of people on wall street that say you got to protect us. do you think hillary has evolved a bit in her thinking on income and equality over the past five months? >> i think what's missing here in this discussion is who hillary has always been. when she was working on the children's defense fund before anyone heard of it, when working on behalf of the kids in need, when she took on the health insurance companies in 93 and 94 if you'll remember was an intense struggle. she was up against a lot of power and money and she stood

her ground. that's the hillary clinton i know. i give her tremendous ability to fight on these issues. >> you have said over the past five months she has evolved. how has she developed? >> i think this is what's happening in the entire democratic party. we need to see our whole party come to the realization we have to have more tax regression and raise raises and benefits and have to go to issues like working family paid sick leave and pre-k for all. the beauty of the democratic party moment verses the other is democrats are challenging each other on spositions. republicans are comparing body parts and poll numbers lt i think that's happened here as you've seen with each successive speech, hillary has filled in the blanks forcefully. not just on economics, very

passion notally voting rights, constitutional amendment to end the effects of citizens united. >> i agree with you about looking at who she has been all along. do you think the problem with seeing that though has been partially her responsibility as well. what has taken you so long to get to this point because you could have done this a long time ago. secondly, she's run into problems with e-mails and this and that and things getting in the way of who she is. actually think when she's turned loose on her own, she's the best. >> i know having the honor of a campaign manager, i know when she speaks from her experience and she speaks about the changes we need, there is a powerful vision and authenticity there. i think what happened very fairly, at the beginning of the campaign a lot of candidates say

we're going to do this in stages. it's also fair for people all over this country to say wait, we need to see a vision for these times. right now, this is not hyperbole. it's fact. they have been stuck. >> why do they take so long to see a message. >> i think it's fair for any candidate to have to lay it out. candidates have to put the pieces on the table for us. >> we and i may disagree on a lot of issues and agree on a lot of issues but i know where you're coming in and you know where i'm coming from. you're not a guy that's going to support keystone one day and oppose it the next. that's going to say ttp is a gold standard one day and a couple of years later go actually no, it's deeply flawed. you have to be a bit concerned. >> would you see yourself doing that? >> he wouldn't do it. >> you're asking the question the wrong way. the question is what do you

stand for? >> no, i'm asking the question. >> i'm saying this from the heart. what does she stand for. >> and that's the problem. once she becomes president, is she going to do the exped canadian thing or do what you think is the right thing. >> i'm convinced and look at the trade issue. it took from my point of view some real courage to come out and say this is my standard to protect the american workers and this package doesn't do it. >> it was the gold standard. >> she said very clearly here is a standard i see met to protect american workers and when she saw the problem. >> after she said the gold standard. >> i will excuse you but you know. mr. mayor, i'm trying to complement you. >> that's a mean way of giving a compliment. >> she flip flops. are you concerned she's going to

be -- >> no. i saw her take on the health insurance companies for not one year. >> that's 1993. that's who she is. we saw it with our eyes. >> by the way, the nation was rivoted by it. there's a lot of spine there, steel there. we saw this in all those hours of the benghazi hearing. >> i would love you to explain

the sanders support. a lot of people supporting bernie sanders would say bill de blasio is more in line with my views than bernie sanders. maybe look to camera three and. >> where's camera three? >> right there. say i'm endorsing hill kri lin ton over bernie sanders because. >> hey progressives, i'm endorsing hillary clinton enthusiastically because we have to take on income and equality and it's the issue of our time and we have to restore the middle class and hillary clinton knows how to do it, will get it done and has a progressive platform that speaks to all the changes we need including progressive taxation and uplifting. >> it didn't explain why should be better than bernie sanders when many of his views on health care and trade are closer to yours than hers. >> why not pick the guy whose views are closer to yours?

>> hillary clinton has presented a very complete progressive ageneral gentleman for taking on equality. >> it is clear about the political changes we have to make on voting rights and addressing citizens. it's a power f platform. she has the capacity to be a great president. the question is who has the combination of vision and ability to get things done. what's going to be a very con ten, environment. >> let's strip it down for people. you think she is more capable of actually executing the vision. >> i think she's the most capable of executing the vision. >> other than of course the jim web. >>. >> i think this field has spoke

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welcome to morning joe. senator bernie sanders has come a long way from small town mayor to full fledge rock star on the campaign trail. >> this guy has drawn thousands upon thousands of people in a beloved message. the policy has come with a pretty happy price tag. we've recently sat down with a senator to talk about infrastructure and the middle class whose fighting for their life at the end of 2015. first, his reaction to attracting stadium size crowds from coast to coast. >> it's very exciting. i see bernie and 20, 30, 40,000 people out there. it's like i worked with this guy. it's almost like going to high school with paul mccartney. i know you have to be as surprised as we are. not that you have a lot of supporters and followers but

this thing has really taken off. >> well, i tell you, joe. i thought from the beginning we had a real message that would resinate with the the american people and that is people are disgusted with the fact all new wealth and incomers going from the top 1% not dealing with climate change that we have a campaign finances system as a result of the citizens united which is corrupt allowing billionaires to buy elections. z. >> anybody that loves their country and politics, it would be self-serving if you said this. it's going to be exciting that a guy who doesn't want to talk about the process and the horse race but is obsessed with the issues he's been obsessed with since the early 1960s is actually getting a voice through the people.

>> it is. you know, you have to be up there on a platform and look out at 20 or 30,000 people and a lot of young people and a lot of working class people who want to make fundamental changes in this country and are responding to that message. joe, something else that i always say and i want to repeat it now. this campaign is really not about bernie sanders. it's about transit forming america and the only way we can do that is revitalize american democracy, bring millions of people who have given up on the political process back into it and be prepared to stand up with very powerful people today who will have just the incredible power over our economy and political life. >> let me ask you this. >> by the way, joe. sorry to interrupt you. you would be surprised. there's more than a few

republicans for bernie sanders out there. don't be surprised if we do well with a number of republicans. >> i won't be surprised. we've heard people say why you can't win from the very beginning. i started to hear people talk and saw a focus group and said this is starting to remind me of what i heard republicans, my fellow republicans tell me when i went to demonies in late 2007 and they said i think i'm going to vote for this obama guy. talk about it, if you will, about how there is a lot of cross over and whether it's republicans distrust of trade deals or republicans just as angry at wall street and bail outs as progressives. >> i think that's right. let's not dismiss the fact there's strong differences of

opinions. >> working class republicans are equally disgusted about a campaign finances system that allows billionaire's to buy elections. i think the message, we have got to come together to say that wall street and corporate america cannot continue to dominate our political and economic life. we need an economy that works for working families and not just the 1%. a lot of republicans respond to that as well. >> your message is resinating with tens of thousands of people that come to hear you speak. what about your policies in terms of addressing what ails this economy. some might say you were way too far left to win the general election. what we what will you actually do and

what policies will you put into place that will address the issues you have in your message? >> very fair question. everything i've talked about i've been criticized for saying well, we're spend a lot of money. we are. on the other hand, we're going to pay for what we're proposing and the way we pay for that is to understand in the last 30 years there has been a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class and working families of this country to the top one tenth of 1%. yes, my policies will demand the top 1% and largest corporations start sharing their taxes. real unemployment today, not official, but real unemployment is 10% and youth unemployment is 30, 40, 50%. i believe we should rebuild the infrastructure and reinvest in your roads, water systems and rails and airports and create up

to 13 million jobs. i believe we should raise the minimum wage over a period of seven years to do what los angeles and seattle are doing. i believe we have to devise our trade policies so corporate america invests in this country rather than china. three out of the four largest banks today are bigger than they were when we bailed them out. i think we should break up the large finances ins taugss that have too much power. you got to overturn citizens you nighted and move public funding of elections. let me tell you on another issue. i'm afraid republicans are really way, way out of reality. that is climate change. the scientific community is virtually unanimous.

climate change is real and caused by human activity and causing devastating problems. we got to work with china, india and russia sand transit form or energy system away from fossil fuel. those are some of the issues out there. >> so there's balance. by the way, i certainly, i agree with you and the scientist that climate change is real and that it's caused by human activity as well as other forces. you'll have some democrat that believes the democratic party goes too far in some of their policies and hurt working class americans. how do you balance those two things? obviously, it's very easy for a billionaire in san francisco to complain about climate change and get on his corporate jet. if you're a coal miner in west

virginia it's different. >> we put a significant amount of money into dealing with that issue. it's not the fault of the coal miner the product he's producing is causing climate change. he should not be blamed for that. investing an amount of money to make the people holt. it's opportunities, job training opportunities and do our best to precisely invest in those communities that are hurt by this transition. you're absolutely right. there are people who will be hurt. it's not their fault. they have got to be protected. >> that does it for this hour of morning joe. we want to wish you a very happy new year. feel the burn. >> and roll tide. >> keep it right here on msnbc for continuing conch verage of the day's top stories.

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