if i run against hillary they're saying it's going to be the largest voter turnout in the history of the united states. which i agree, right. i agree. the largest and everyone's walking to the polls because i'm number one. even some of the candidates, i said where are you?

why do i talk about it? because i want to show the tremendous crowds that we get that we're kicking assess together. we're all kicking ass. whoever the hell broke this mic system, don't let them put it in. the stupid mic keeps popping. hear that, george? don't pay them. i believe in paying. but when somebody does a bad job like this stupid mic, you shouldn't pay there. >> okay. wow, we have a lot to get to. that's one thing. donald trump in pensacola, florida. your hometown. >> my brother introduced. >> thank you, george. >> it's thursday, january 14th. >> it's ashame nicole's father couldn't go.

>> yeah, that would been a perfect pairing. >> with us on set mike barnical, fo fo form -- >> no matter who it is, no matter how big, stars in hollywood. you know barnical, what's he like? >> how's barnical? >> i set down with matt damon and i said mike barnical said hi. and he's barnical. >> in pensacola, florida managing editor of bloomberg

politics, mark halperin. >> i do want to talk to mark briefly. >> really briefly because ge is leaving connecticut and bernie sanders and hillary clinton are neck and neck in iowa so go ahead, quick. you have 20 seconds. i was in the stages of the unbelievable presidential race in early november. i saw reagan come to pence cola twi -- pensacola in 1980 and saw the crowds. i guess seeing it in your own hometown, i can't believe i'm saying this. i don't get it.

it's nothing i saw with reagan, bush or any other candidate. what i saw last night. >> it's not one of the biggest i've been to but one of the biggest i've been to. people have always wanted to come see him and joe, the biggest thing in pensacola in a long time but that's true in the northeast when he appears in massachusetts and the south. trump does not have every

advantage in the world but there's no other candidate in any race in either party. >> so my friend called me up at 10:00 in the morning yesterday morning and said people were already lined up around the civic center and tell me they turned around thousands of people. we saw all the people inside the event but you said they turned away thousands and thousands of people who couldn't get in. >> yeah, i mean, this is the supply and demand issue that trump tends to book the biggest venue he can. barry is coming to the same thing. a couple of weaks, i'm not sure he'll draw quiet as big of a crowd. this ability to bring people in, remember, it's not just for show and cameras, these are people trump has a chance to reach and speak to.

>> i think it's safe to say marco would reach, get 150 people in an event. >> right. >> ted cruz would probably get troub trouble, 3 or 400. >> this is not like eight years ago. this is different. there's something different going on. >>. >> bernie sanders also. >> we have a new poll number out. hillary getting strong about bernie. also, boston's paper, mike barnical's boston paper has two stories. ge leaving connecticut. second of all, who is elizabeth warren going to endorse and why it's so important. we have an author of that article oncoming up. >> and mike barn c, you're talk about the editorial right here.

i said it when i was a florida resident and i'm saying it now. it began a decline of the great state economically. this is a state down two tax increases the past two years, devastating. here's the worst part of it. general electorate warned them. they said if you pass this tax we will have no other choice to look at other states. you won a tax break so you can get on bigger yachts on the weekends. that's what the majority leader said. do you know why general electric

left connecticut? it's not because of the taxes. they could have gone to texas orthopedic florida if they wanted to lower taxes. >> they could have gotten a major pacific deal. >> yeah, they could have gotten the deal. they left because connecticut and other states are hostile. road island had the problem too. they had a democratic governor now doing an incredible job. this isn't even about being a republican or democrat. it's about whether you want people in your state to have jobs or not. >> it's devastating. you have the schools, bio tech centers, ge's.

the beginning to move from technology to engineering. if you're worried about the republican party, you go to massachusetts and have a young republican. >> i'm not worried about the republican party outside of washington d.c. they're doing pretty damn well. >> steve has charts on both angles of this ge story coming up. the -- this time in south carolina donald trump will be front and center. ted cruz goes into tonight's debate having to deal with

another issue. an investigation found cruz did not report a major loan used to fund his 2012 campaign. >> i'm sure the loan came from a small texas savings and loan. he's a man of the people. >> it was discovered in his personal disclosures later filed. >> the loan was by golden and

sacks. >> if they were not filed like they require, our finances are not complicated. we put in the entirety of our savings and taking a margin loan against other assets and those facts are clear and transparent and a technical inadvertent filing error doesn't hurt that at all. >> that means you put up stocks less than that. that's fairly conventional. by the way, i never thought i would be defending ted cruz.

cruz said he was going to put back every net worth in 2012. he seems to have not sold the stocks and borrowed money against them. >> the thing is, the banking laws in canada are so different. >> that's the point here. donald trump, it's another thing he has to -- >> donald trump weighed in on an interview on respect. >> ted cruz had not reported properly the loan. are you concerned about that? should voters be? >> i heard it's a big thing. i've heard nothing about it. i think he's a nice guy and -- >> do you think it's possible there's lots of things about him, background that now as he

becomes a leading candidate should be investigated? >> i wouldn't know. he's been very, very nice to me, very respectful. my whole being he's been really terrific. i hope that's not a big problem for him. >> donald, mika and i have always said donald has a big heart, mark. he was really concerned for ted on the whole canadien citizenship thing. he's really concerned here too. i think again, i'm so glad love hasn't gone out of style. it's like an early 1970s show that you remember, mark, love american style. red, white and blue. >> two reasons, one is it brings up ted cruz's highs.

it's probably the worst brand name possible to be associated with and then i think it puts ted cruz under the microscope. he's in the barrel to deal with the story. >> also, mark. >> as well as he's done he's not been scrutinized all that much. >> the big complaint when you talk to the republicans, especially the ones you work with, bush campaigns and past administrations, they say he's a hypocrite, phony and preaches pop ewe lichl a-- pop ewulispop. he was mr. republican establishment. it's plugged in that he's east

coast establishment as you could be and then 2010 the tea party movement erupted. i wonder if that's why this story stings so much? i'm not saying that, you've heard it too. i didn't know ted before this. but that is a constant knock that he's a phony and this seems to feed into that, doesn't it. >> it's a constant knock and it's one that he's well aware of and again, princeton, harvard law school, golden and sachs doesn't get more east coast. there's a battle between trump and cruz. those are the two front runners and the establishment is looking at those two guys. you see some given what you just said about ted cruz we can deal with donald trump.

there's people saying we could live with ted cruz. they both recognize their chances are better longer to be the nominee and win the general election if they win the side bar contest as their main emphasis. >> and so both of your points, in 2012 ted cruz ran as a tea party candidate. one of the central themes was to real against the government bailout. it does pay good. he paid the loan back. i'm not sure this has a terrible amount of legs but it does speak to what you've said which is he represents himself one way and behind closed doors to other things. >> this will launch two mayor conversations we'll have this morning, that about the republican debate in south carolina tonight and a huge race tightening for iowa and new hampshire and a report talking

about a possible shake up in the convention. let's get to some of the other major headlines. we get to breaking news where police say seven people are dead after militants set off a series of explosions and lead gun battles with police in the indonesian capitol this morning according to reuters, an isis linked terror group is claiming responsibility for the attack. at least 10 have been wounded. authorities say the attackers m imitated the paris terror attacks. u.s. stock futures up this morning. pessimism of weak oil prices and dive on wall street has caused global markets to creep. this morning the sailors detained by iran have been

released. videos are raising questions and a lot of shock this morning, especially among republicans. this footage aired on iranian state television. sailors on their knees heads clasped behind heads on the deck of their own vessel. they also broadcasted this. >> that was a mistake and we apologize. the iranian behavior was very fantastic while we were here. we thank you for your hospitality and assistance. >> a hostage video. the iranians staged a hostage video after having americans put their hands on their heads. i will just ask you your reaction and bite my tongue. >> you can understand why donald

trump and ted cruz and marco rubio are making something of this saying it looks shocking and allies don't take hostages from each other. in the broader picture, you have to say it was resolved remarkably quickly. far quicker than when britain had 15 hostages held by the iranians for two weeks in 2007 and there were mocking videos made of them. much more tense. this time around they were taken and within 24 hours out again. both sides, the iranian and american side seemed overwhelmingly keen to having this issue resolved. it's a very different tone. how long that lasts once the iranians get sanctions released and access to oil money, we don't know. >> i've heard people apologizing for barack obama and john kerry and the administration saying the same thing.

>> they were grateful because it got resolved within a day. this is sick. >> no. i won't start a hunge debate. i totally agree with you. having said that, they are home. they are free. they were released 10 hours later. so ted cruz had a singing review and kind of took this 10 times more than you did. i understand. it's am in addition for critics. their home and what did you expect us to do. >> you know, there are also a washington post reporter coming up on 600 days not home.

there's three other americans that are still being held hostage that are not home. it was only a couple of weeks ago, i believe it was, that the u.s. harry truman had a missile fired at it from the iranians that hit a thousand yards away. the iranians already questions whether they have. >> they would not be home and the video would be out there. >> the question is, why are we dealing with these people? >> we will at a later date on this show. we have three hours, we will talk about what you think should be done. >> i guarantee you if they had not released those soldiers or those sailors, they would been released without the iranians doing it. if you, again, if we have gotten to such a sad pathetic state in america now we want to pat ourselves on the back because

our u.s. troops only have to put their hands on their heads and have to do hostage videos for 24 hours, that's a sad state and that's all you need to know is to why donald trump is doing so well. >> i'm going to give you the last word because that's the only way to get to break. still ahead, james carville reacts to the clinton surge and how far with hillary clinton go to win over senator elizabeth warren and the nation's magazine is ready to throw its weight mind one of the candidates. which white house contender is picking up that key endorsement? tomorrow we're going to iowa. morning joe live at java joe's to break down all the big moments in tonight's debate. donald trump will be there among other big names. are we ready to announce that?

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a new poll shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a race in iowa. clinton leads sanders 42% to 40%. that's within the poll's margin of error. sanders leads clinton 52% to 34% among first time caucus goers. 62% to 21% and 59% to 27% among people under the age of 45. in all, 59% of likely caucus goers say their minds are made up while 40% say their decision could still change. >> what a tight race this has become. >> tight race. it's funny. i've never encountered a democrat who does not believe hillary clinton has the credentials and would be a good

president of the united states. there is always an occurring weariness about her. >> why? >> i think because she's been around a long time and has a certain amount of baggage she carries from the 90s from the clinton administration and because of bernie sander's passion he's brought to the campaign and the passion his believers and followers have. >> the campaign has gone afterbernie sanders the last two weeks. >> they're raising a lot of money for bernie sanders.

>> i agree with you. i think there's also a philosophical difference. i think that this is also a little bit of a battle over the hearts and minds of the democratic party where it's going. bernie sanders does have positions that are distinctly different from hers. this is not like barack obama and hillary clinton in 2008. they had different visions of how they think the government should engage itself and it's a little bit, democratic version, of what's going on in the republican side. >> with other state polls showing hillary clen ton under increasing pressure, the former secretary of state was asked and she's nervous about sander's newfound momentum. >> no, i'm not nervous at all. i'm working hard and tend to keep working as hard as i can. i think we're in that stage of the campaign now it's time to call some contrast.

one of the big ones is where sanders has been a reliable vote for gun lobby and i have sfwabe standing against him for a long time. it's unfare and inaccurate statement. >> we have a difference in health care. i want to build on the act. they laid out a very specific plan and take everybody's health care and hand it to the states. my view is we shouldn't be ripping up obama care. >> let me ask you about the issue with obama care and the

fact you like to rip that up and get back to the beginning of a single payer public health care system. correct? >> yes. medicare for all. now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. in 2008 i was attacking obama. i would hope secretary clinton tell the american people does she support universal health care. >> marx, whk, what do you think? >> the clinton camp has been dismissive and saying the lead there is bigger after our poll has come out this morning. they're not denying this race is closer. some of them seem hardened secretary clinton is ahead in the poll. they know now they're all in iowa and new hampshire, there's no turning back and i think you

saw in the clips senator sanders and their interviews. he knows how to respond on taxes than he has. he's come a long way since his first debate with hillary clinton where he didn't seem to understand how modern presidential politics works. he's now a better candidate and she's fighting to save herself. if she loses the world will be a very different place. >> let's talk about another angle. national political reporter for the boston globe. good morning. good to see you. why is the elizabeth warren nod so important? >> particularly for clinton because she's fighting so hard to protect her left flank which is where she's losing support

and losing to sanders and those liberals. if she could have elizabeth warren get on a plane and fly out to des moines after a debate this week, that would change the ground for her. that's something that doesn't appear to be on elizabeth warren's list right now but that would be what hillary would like to see is to change that in iowa which isn't looking good for her. >> elizabeth lines up with bernie sanders better than she does with hillary clinton. they have been speaking about the same issues for years and years. what will go into this decision and why isn't she jumping into bernie sanders. >> i think that's a great question. why isn't she jumping behind bernie sanders. i think she would have done it already. right. so, you know, yes. e liz beth warren's views do

line up. she also has a pragmatist and when you lock at who she's endorsed in senator races she has picked a different acandidae whose more pure. she's not on a time line at all. she can wait until iowa is done and new hampshire is done and massachusetts before she decides what she's going to do. at any point her endorsement will be valuable in the clinton campaign. she brings with her that army after support right now following sanders and is excited about sanders. >> real quick, you're reporting behind the scenes, off the record, whatever it was. does she get a feel about which way she's leading? is she talking to the campaign? >> elizabeth warren holds her cards very close. she's talking to both campaigns. i thought it was striking she's talking to gary in clinton's

job. it's a very different dynamic than eight years ago when the clinton camp was looking for an endorsement from the senior senator from massachusetts and there was a real charm offenser going on and a really aggressive attempt. >> it's a fascinating piece from the boston globe. thanks so much. >> all right. coming up. the new york times, nicholas joins us for the must read opinion pages. morning joe back in a moment. why do some cash back cards keep throwing obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way. you simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. you can't dodge the question... what's in your wallet?

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i've looked at the candidates, ted cruz is the man. >> wow, he looks like a golden and sachs man. >> that was controversial duck dynasty star phil robertson getting off the sidelines at the presidential campaign to back senator ted cruz. >> can we see that picture

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confirmed. alex is that confirmed? >> i'm not sure. >> that would be amazing. i don't think there's been official confirmation. but we had a wonderful time talking to her in 2008. >> she was, remember new hampshire? >> we have donald trump in the coffee shop with us. i don't think i've ever seen him in a small iowa coffee shop, have you? >> he hit his first diner the other day. >> was he okay? >> i can promise you this, donald trump's visit to the coff coffee shoppe was the greatest any politician has made. >> wouldn't it be so fun to be back there. >> it is. >> general electric not so fun story here, the nation's largest industrial accompany i guess unless you're in boston, is moving from fairfield, connecticut to boston. the accompany said they were attracted to boston, the boston

thriving community. ceo jeff said the echo system seeks our aspirations. massachusetts will give ge incentives and grants up to $120 million and boston offered 25 million in property tax relief. >> all while connecticut and their leaders were insulting. yes, they were insulting general electric talking about yachts and alike. general electric, actually, the tragedy is they didn't want to leave. jeff loves connecticut. i know jeff. in fact, he lives fairly close to me. he said the last thing he wanted to do was uproot all of his ge family members who loved

connecticut as well. i said it before. connecticut, mike, has one of the top quality of living standards in america. unfortunately, it has one of the worst business climates in america. it's been driven out. they've driven out their most important asset. >> the accompany met privately with 11 governors as states sought to lieu. steve, that brings us to your charts. most and least friendly states. >> there's a lot to which joe said. let me talk about taxes to start with. when you look at the map of all the states and see how they treat companies from a tax point of view. you'll see and maybe not surprisingly that of the ten worst states in a dr-- new yorks number 49 for tax treatment of business.

connecticut is number 44 and massachusetts is number 25. so massachusetts which we use to think of as sort of tassacusetts has gotten better in terms of how it treats its businesses. let's scroll down and look at the actual tax rates people pay to get a sense of what that means. if you look at connecticut you'll see connecticut's corporate tax rate is about the highest there is matched by unanimousnew jersey and we look at the economy. new york is actually down at 7.1%. new york has done a descent job of cutting its corporate tax rate. massachusetts in the middle at about 8%. if you look at the individual side, you'll see that again connecticut is at 6.7% and joe, you said earlier in the show, connecticut didn't have an income tax until 1991. one of the reasons why connecticut did so well,

particularly suburban connecticut, is because people could live and not pay any taxintaxe taxes. now you live in connecticut and pay taxes almost as high as new york. it's changed that balance. in massachusetts, the personal tax rate is 5.2%. again, massachusetts, again, which we use to call tassacusetts has done well on the tax front. final finally, you see how it shakes out in terms of economy with the states. if you look at connecticut with the 44th rankings in business climate, there's an unemployment rate higher in capita. >> a lot of that is coming out of grimmage, connecticut. >> in massachusetts the growth rate is 2.3%. really, what i think is

happening, we had lunch with a good friend of mine that lives and works in connecticut, connecticut, two things have happened. one, they priced themselves out of the market from a tax point of view. if you're going to pay the same taxes in connecticut as new york city. secondly, there's another kind of noneconomic thing going on here which is that young people want to be in urban environments and connecticut, unfortunately, doesn't have that kind of urban environment to offer the way boston, new york, san francisco and places like that do. >> also, mike, what doesn't show in the numbers? what they don't show there intangibles. do you feel like a state is on your side or do you feel like they're openly hostile to you? rhode island's business is not -- ge looking at providence, boston. boston is not texas orthoped fl.

they have all these things that the state has leveraged. they've been begging the connecticut legislature to create a high tax sector from hartford all the way to new haich. they've ignored him and instead raise taxes on computer services this last year. another brilliant idea. why don't we tax the computer services, the growth regime. >> there are several items that don't show up in the charts and steve, it's a good rhythm to use, the echo system. in rhode island and massachusetts you have two governors. you've also got in massachusetts an echo system, a young population around greater boston and you've got i think more affordable living in greater

boston in the suburbs. you've also got bio tech. a huge community and the growth of the hospitals. heavily involved in research. it seems to me, steve, i don't know as much as you do but it seems general electric is trying to take corporate if i lophilos away. >> that's totally what they're trying to do. that means taking it away from fairfield, connecticut where you have a suburban life style into all the things you listed are in terms of echo system boston has to try to create a digital accompany. >> mika, following up on what mike said, you can't lift a hammer, can you. >> what? >> i love that add. >> i love that add. >> maybe a long time. >> it's all right. you can change the word. >> you can change the world. one of my favorite adds in a long time.

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i was worried. you see, in africa, when an outgoing president starts talking beyond his term, that's the first sign he's trying to cling on to power. for a split second i was like is obama's african side taking over right now? i felt there was a voice where they're like obama, it's all yours. take it now. take it now. >> i have to give it back, it's a democracy. >> democracy, what is that? take it. >> welcome back to morning joe. it's thursday, february 14th. good to have you with us. joining us is steve, washington anchor for bbc world news america, good to have you all on board.

we'll start with donald trump who returned his campaign to delegate rich florida last night. his win or take all primary takes place two months from tomorrow. over 10,000 people turned out on a wednesday night in pennsylvania. >> if we had a real president, not a president who made a speech where everybody fell asleep at what he said. look, so what happens at what obama was saying, president obama, we have to treat him with respect, yes. just think of this. so you have a president whose african american. good, i love that. except less has been done for african americans than anybody. they're having one of the worst times they've ever had. african american youth. ted's been really nice until the last couple of days. ted cruz has been really, really

nice other than the last couple of days he's been a little testy. i've been waiting. got a little problem. got to sort of make sure you can run. you got to make sure you can run. a lot of lawyers say you can't run if you do that. you can't be born in canada and be a canadien citizen. suppose he runs and everybody's banking on him and then the courts rule he can't run. that's not so good. give the election to hillary clinton or crazy bernie? right. >> wow. >> so much going on there. >> wow. of course, willie, you should know obviously, donald trump watches the show every day. obviously, he was channelling tavis smiley who came on and said african americans are doing worse than in the last eight years before.

maybe donald could write a blurb. >> on his second comment about ted cruz it's fascinating to watch this. when he went with president obama it was a crazy conspiracy theory. now with ted cruz it's a constitutional session. >> by the way, nancy suddenly, clair, suddenly it's a funny thing wihere a couple of years ago he was a racist and horrible person. if it's against him, cruz, my favorite is john mccain. >> because he doesn't -- >> everybody's like this. i don't know. so let's talk about trump for a second. i was just commenting it last hour. i miss my hometown. i'm looking at it through that prison at one of my first campaigns and it was reagan coming in 79, reagan coming in the general election. i remember bush 41.

bush 43 a couple weeks before. none of his biggest rallies big as this. here we are in january in election year, that was in late october, i think. it was the first time i've ever said this about trump. i don't get it. i don't get why the crowds are that massive. i understand donald is popular. where are these people coming from? it's pretty remarkable. >> yeah, and remember this is suppose to be a summertime at the no, ma'phenomenon. >> what strikes me about trump supporters is he has more core support than anybody else. he has more people say i have decided donald trump is my candidate and i'm not considering anybody else. it's far away bigger than anybody else.

the flip side is he has less second choice support. if you ask people, if trump is not your guy, who are you going to be with, ted cruz gets a lot of support, when you ask a rubio and cruz supporter, trump doesn't come up nearly as much. he has a bigger core support than anybody. >> that's where i've got my answer but i've got to hear from caddy. >> i think one of things that strikes me when you watch the trump rallies is how much people seem to be enjoying themselves. you look at the crowd and they're having a blast. that generates this level of the excitement amongst his quarters so much so they're also saying his soo supporters, if he leavee party i'm going with him. they are die hards. how many will turn out in iowa and new hampshire? we'll find out in a couple

week's time. this debate the interesting because now he's up against somebody who can claim the mantle of front runner in the early state of iowa and how that puts cruz on the spot is going to be a great debate for cruz. he likes this and the contestedne contestedness. he responds much better than the other candidates have to trump's attacks. >> we'll see. that will be fascinating to see what happens. i've got to say though, here we have donald trump, a relative newcomer to politics pulling in all of these people. hillary couldn't pull in these people. jeb couldn't pull in these people. i mean, people, i use those two because they've dedicated their entire lives to politics. >> and that's the problem. >> and they probably know more than anybody else on either one of their sides and probably the most quote qualified. >> yeah. >> and yet they couldn't get a tenth of that.

>> if you watch that clip and the clip before it, it's kind of the same thing. it's a comedy routine, stand up, performance, fun and funny. if you have been to a political rally and a speech to iowa, it's boring. it's not super exciting. it's by the numbers and most politicians handle them in a conventional way. the talented ones. donald trump is something else entirely. >> donald trump will pick a topic on like a saturday and he'll go this week i'm going to talk about ted cruz's citizenship and then you spend the next seven days as a candidate answering questions who do you think about donald trump saying this. he said he keeps the pace moving. he said it's the most brilliant thing he's ever seen in politics

in his life. >> my answer to who are those people? if you look at it, it's not just pensacola, florida, it's not just massachusetts, it's not just alabama, des moines, monroe, it's everywhere he goes and those are americans. i'm sorry. they're not real americans or whatever kind of americans we saw in racists past where we got into fights. it's everybody. they want to be at his rallies. a lot of them are voting for him. a lot of them are very interested in him because he's a television star and he's the host of the apprentice and he's donald trump. they're listening to him and david is cringing right now. all sorts of people are cringing right now be what i'm saying but those people are americans at a political rally. >> i don't think david is cri e cringing. >> oh, yes he is. i think a lot more people are starting to understand on the republican side and democratic

side this is a primal screen. i guess my questions are rhetorical. i know these people because most of them voted for me when i ran down there. this is my face as a populous conservative. i guess i'm saying who comes out in the middle of the week in january 11th months before a campaign and that's why when i was looking at the shots from the top, i said who are these people and i'm trying to get in their head what drew them out to this guy and draws people out to bernie sanders that hasn't drawn anybody out this early. >> bernie does the same thing. >> there's people sick of the way the game has been played forever and ever and ever and they're sick of not just the political process, they're sick of the media and the banks and all these institutions they feel have screwed them over the years and finally, there are people with donald trump and bernie sanders who exist somewhere

outside the system who bring a fresh perspective. th's passion. people aren't showing up in obligation. >> by the way. >> they're lining up because they want to be there in the same way. >> by the way, they're also not showing up to be entertained. he's entertaining. he's fun. like you said, it's fun, right. but those people aren't lining up at 6:00 in the morning, 7:00 in the morning as they were yesterday in pensacola, florida with 5,000 being turned away. if you're going to wait in line for 12 hours and sit through a speech like i've said before, you're going to drive to the elementary school two blocks away from your home and vote for this guy. >> here's the problem for your party. nikki haley caught so much for saying we can't respond to the angry voices, we have to have restraint. we all agree with that. everybody was like thank god somebody said it. it was a great republican response especially relative to

others because with what donald trump said, i'm angry and she's right. everyone's like yea because they are. it's not just a temptation that they're falling to. as you said, it's a passion. here's where we're at. ted cruz getting testy with donald trump. for what some see as a dig at cruz and playing born in the u.s.a. at trump rallies. >> that's awesome. >> you can't help but laugh. >> here's what ted cruz discussing that earlier this week. take a look. >> what's he getting at there, senator cruz, with born in the u.s.a.? >> i think he may shift in his new rallies to playing new york, new york. donald comes from new york and embodies new york values. listen, the donald seems to be a little bit rattled.

any time someone is attacking your faith, that starts to suggest they're getting really nervous about what's happening in the race. i would be happy to invite donald to come to church with me any time he would like. he would certainly be welcomed there. >> what are new york values? as a life long new yorker, what are you getting at there? >> i'll tell you, the rest of the country knows exactly what new york values are. >> you have new york values. is that a criticism to you? >> we took a big hit with the trade center, worst attack ever. they attacked civilians and people having breakfast. frankly, if you had been there and lived through that like i did with the new york people, the way they handled that attack is the most incredible things anyone has ever seen. here we have these massive buildings coming down with all

the death and destruction and even the air, the atmosphere and smell of death and very few cities could have handled it like that. i'll tell you something new york city and new york got a tremendous boost all over the world because very few people, now you look at the area and it's incredible what they've rebuilt. when people want to knock new york, first of all, you shouldn't do it. when you're not new york, you got to go through me. new york is an amazing place with amazing people. >> i've got to say amen to that. we talked about it on the anniversary of 9/11 and talked about how incredible new yorkers were and how those attacks, that's why ted cruz sounds he's out of 1987. i came up as a guy who lived in the deep south my entire life and i looked at new yorkers and walked around the town and i was tearing up. it's extraordinary. we talked about this on the anniversary of 9/11, what an

extraordinary city this is on the frontlines of terror in america and how america sort of put their arms around new york city and adopted this great city because they knew it's on the forefront of a war against terror. but willie, again, this goes to the hi pogh pock zamora si of t cruz he was talking about before. would he like to talk about golden and sachs values? i have great friends in work there. does he want to talk about those values, harvard values, princeton values, lawyer values? ted cruz again, being a hypocrite here by acting like he's some poor country lawyer that just fell off a turnip truck and he comes to new york city and speaks differently about same sex marriage in new york city fundraisers as he does

when he's in middle america. it doesn't seem like a smart line of attack. i've got to say that's one of the best answers donald trump give the entire campaign. got probably 17 million people cheering for him in that answer. >> i think ted cruz and his team thought they had a good hit on donald trump with that line. i think overlooked with the bluster and show of donald trump is how good he is at this. you know he doesn't have a big team of people. they didn't poll test that answer. they came back and said if you're talking about new york, we're talking about the first responders. you're talking about the people who came in and rebuilt that city. that is political skill on display. i'm not here to defend donald trump. i don't agree with a lot of what he says but he's good at this. >> and as he added value of being true. what he said about new york city. what he said about first responder. i was really surprised by the

tone daeafness and really sort f the stupidity of ted cruz attacking a city that's been on the frontline of terror since 2001. >> i agree with everything you and willie, joe, said about that response. i'll add a slight different point. that was from the heart. that is not as good as he is as a politician. that was from the heart. he loves new york. his defense was passion nate. i agree with you this may not be the best fight for ted cruz to pick. there's a reality. donald trump has been tested in the national spotlight. in this campaign he's gotten a ton of scrutiny and he knows how to handle himself. we discussed a taf lon that goes beyond reagan to survive flaps. ted cruz hasn't gone through any of that. he's not gotten any scrutiny. when he lashes him out to trump he opens himself up to

counterattack and you saw trump there. >> it was from the heart and the other way trump respontds is from the gut. >> i got to say another thing too because i'm from the deep south and people ask me, i've been on the upper west side for the better part of 10 years. they said how horrible is that? you know what i found out, people on the upper west side want the same exact thing for their children, parents, countries as northwest florida. after i moved up here and went to what was suppose to be the liberalism of america, i would go say to my friends in the deep south they're just like you. they want the same thing as you. maybe there's some wedge issues we're different on but it was shocking to me how much alike everybody was. >> well, tonight we'll be talking about what appeals to everybody in terms of the

republican presidential candidates and they will square off once again joining us from north charleston, south carolina. msnbc political correspondent casey hunt. whack what can we expect tonight, casey? >> hey guys, good morning. you talked earlier about the new story. there's questions about whether or not he can handle intense scrutiny there. you have jeb bush previewing attacks with parker laying out again what he might do talking about in this particular case donald trump, look for him to talk about the limo parking lot that was dozed for the home in atlantic city. but the other thing going on too in south carolina is the republican national committee has been meeting down here and raising the possibility of a brokered convention. there's going to be a meeting thursday with some of those folks to talk about the logistics of okay, if we don't

know who the nominee is going to be, whose going to pick the hotels out, whose going to decide who gets the nicest green room. they do say though some of the chatter might be a little bit premature because of just how strong donald trump is at this point and guys, i have to raise the question for you. can you imagine the party donald trump would throw if we win? >> it would be a very big party. casey hunt, thank you very much. i've got to ask, steve, what are they trying to figure out with a brokered convention? whether she could be her father's vice president. the way things are going, it seems to be breaking away from ted cruz and if trump wins iowa, they can sit in their back rooms all they want but it's irrelevant. >> everybody throws up their hands and say this is the year, we're finally going to have a

brokered convention. i went back and found news article up to news article and the last time you had one and the plurepublicans went there a there was real suspence, it was 1962. 68 was before you really had primary system we had in there, hump free can show up at the convention and win the nomination without a single primary. in 68, the fact he was able to do that caused the democrats to revolt and change the primary system. it's how we have the primaries now. the republicans, you can say you got gold water in 64. there was consequences when that happened. the reality is if we did get through this primary process donald trump was short if winning and short of the delegate threshold. i can't see how to republican party would deny him the nomination because you would be inviting and kill the party. >> all right. steve, mark and caddy k, thank

you so much. nick, stay with us, if you can. still ahead, we are joined by tom and james and we're going to ask james about a new report ted cr cruz was hosted for an event in his home. >> this is a bad day. >> you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. >> bad day for cruz. [vet] two yearly physicals down.

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>> a new poll shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a race in iowa. 42-40 clinton leading. another poll found sanders leads clinton. he's at 52-34% among first time kau sus goers answer 62-21 among independents. now great honor to have with us nbc news correspondent. i've got to go now, and a great honor to have james.

i saw you on hal trperin and yo said something so damn f fascinati fascinating. this trump thing is whatever, people just want to go see him. more people standing in line for trump than they did for bush in the campaign. >> i have a place. i drove by it. >> people saying they're not going to go vote are dreaming, right. they said they had to turn 5,000

people away. >> people are not going to evaporate. if you're going to the rally, they're going to show up and vote. how many of them will peel off, i have no idea. >> tom, this picture, look at this picture, tom. it's january. >> i don't think you can undere underestimate and i think we all have to some degree. if they have some of that going on in iowa which a couple of people are competing against say they're better in iowa than you would think at this point and that could lead to something that could really effect them. i always call this area right now where we are the kind of presuper bowl time before the kick off. sitting around talking about what's going to happen and looking at deon sanders and charles barkley and we want to hear the trash talkers. but then the ball is kicked off. my guess is trump is in iowa and

the race is third place. if anybody's going to survive. >> is mark with us? >> no. >> i just, what is the trump organization because we went to take an interview in the old, they ripped down the apprentice set. it's a cement room and there's seven people. >> here's the g's of it. you go in the trump organization and it's wires and they got seven people. you know where they are? out in the field. they're out in the field. >> you know what the greatest turn out in the history of politics is, a reason. if people feel they have a reason to photo, that's going to get you out more than a phone call, a knock on the door, more than anything else. to a certain democrat, it took people our age that didn't go to college and their lives have not turned out well, trump is offering an explanation. they're saying his life didn't turn out well because of politics and immigrants.

they have a reason and maybe he doesn't make as sm phone calls as organizations but if people are motivated, if he thinks he's going to change their life, that's a turnout. >> on the democratic side let's talk about bernie for a second too. they're pulling out a lot of people. mika said this the other day. we all sit around obsessed. what's hillary doing? maybe bernie is doing things right. maybe it's not all about hillary, maybe bernie is doing the same thing on the left. >> it reminds me of 1972 frankly going into the race and the other democratic establishment going at it. there's a lot of democrats who want to go from a governor and they were speaking his language in a way and wanting to take on the establishment. the other thing is if you watch sa sanders on the podium, he's a platform podium. he's reasonable and speaking to

the concerns they have. he's been kind to her at a critical time. so the other thing is she's been around a long time and you know, people are. >> like jeb. this year, it doesn't matter. >> on bernie sanders we just heard in an interview with savannah guthrie, she wasn't surprised. they were able to ignore him. >> i think some people said this was going to be a long haul and not easy. if you look at the actual king of pain, they've raised more money. they're well organized. right now, jeff sanders is generating some momentum and they're going to have to deal with it. >> don't you think there will have to be a little surprise on

how well he's done. >> i would say a little surprised. if you're 42-40. you think about it, it never goes, it never goes like it's suppose to. >> by the way. >> if you have been in this cycle. >> bill clinton and the seven dwarves, 1991, there was no way as you know, there was no waybiwa way bill clinton was going to get close to the white house. >> they came up with the great line, the come back kid. >> they're tired of the same old same old. they're looking for someone who has another point of view of some kind. the saturday before howard dean lost in iowa.

we're all told he was going to win. i've been out there when george bush beat ronald reagan and pat robinson was a big winner in iowa. >> who would thought, nobody. >> nobody. the morning of the new hampshire primary in 2008 when sitting around the set, i never seen a politician kicked around more than really ri clinton was that morning. it was over and there was a horrible cover on the boston harold. it was vicious. there was one voice and one voice alone that said you know what we ought to do? we ought to wave until the voters lose their voice.

hillary clinton may have won. >> she was left for dead. she was done. >> i was stunned. i was in houston texas. tim was calling me and said oh my gosh. i literally, it's, you know, that's literally what happened. >> that night joe seasonedand i up at a theater in massachusetts the night before she was at 9:30 at night till 6:00 in the

morning and still going. >> do you think hillary clinton can do to bernie sanders what barack obama did in 2008 which is to take away and shock him and take what's hers? >> i would say i hope for what they worked for it to be. i think she'll be okay. i do. right now, she's been the discussion. she's been center stage. i'm pretty confident about it. >> nobody's been looking close at ted cruz because they've been looking at trump.

>> there's issues about where he was born and the loan. that won't cover a lot in iowa. >> you did a fundraiser for him. >> my wife did. i talked to him because i want today see how my investment was doing. i talked to the man for six or seven minutes. >> how's it doing. i asked about organization in iowa and he was very high on it. i had him in iowa.

>> it wasn't but 26-27 towns he went to. he was a different guy. if you watched how he was engaging with the voters, he was not doing the kind of flame we're going to burn down the barn thing. >> by the way, we'll be on. >> you're going bill haguer on me. imitating me. >> so yes. i love how you'll go like a house will be on fire that you've set on fire.

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bromance. cruz turned and hit trump for the new york values, for apparently being liberal and trying to portray him as such to make a splash with evangelicals in iowa. we're looking ahead to that. we're going to see how the goldman story plays out. will it hurt cruz, how damaging will it be, will trump go after him about it? they're trying to get the hashtag trending. here's how cruz himself responded to it at a rally just up the road last night. >> we borrowed against the stocks and assets we had under ordinary terms. if it's the case they were not filed exactly how the fcc requires, we'll amend them. we put in the entirety of our savings, we did so through a come by nation of savings account and selling assets and taking a margin loan against other assets. those facts are clear and transit parent and a technical

and inadvertent filing error does not change that at all. >> so we are watching trump and cruz and watching who is going to try to come out and make a splash. you know marco rubio tends to do well at these debates. will chris christie come out and try to get himself back into the narrative and the story line and then you got to look at whose not on the stage and whose not coming to south carolina and that's rand paul. i know you've had him in new york the past couple of days. the fact he's not participating in the under card debate could be difficult for him moving forward. >> people are going to debate whether this is going to hurt cruz or not, the goldman sachs thing. i don't know about underlining the loan and all that but he plays the populist. he's so wired on the east coast and runs against the east coast. >> laws are there for a reason.

you can't get a loan for a special interest if you're a campaign. it's not a laughing matter or a joke. number two, this is a guy whose wife works at goldman and sachs and went to presence ton. i have always been amazed and marbled at how he's able to sell himself as a burned down washington kind of guy. he was nurturing washington. that's his place. >> he's a product of the east coast. i mean, you talk about, from goldman and sachs to harvard and princet princeton. this morning the magazine officially endorsed bernie sanders for president. it's the third time they've endorsed a candidate during the primary race. i'll ask you what i asked about the rallies, bernie's rallies are extraordinary.

>> extraordinary. >> what is he doing that is energizing the democratic base? >> he is speaking with truth, honesty and he of -- he is summoning people to participate, for taking back our democracy, fromming abo big and he's connecting a movement in our time, the immigrant rights, fight to take on climate chang and war and peace, peace and justice. and so the nation believes that this political revolution is not on necessary, that it's possible, that we can no longer

live with status quo poll tex, status quo economics. joe, this is a plutocracy that we're living in. and bernie sanders has shown the ability of an insurgent campaign through small donations, millions of small donations to tack on the fund-raising machine of the clintons. >> we've talked about the average $27. let's talk about hillary clinton -- >> the editorial also says hillary clinton is a candidate of grit, of strength, of intelligence, who has been moved by the populist moment.

sheep has spoken for women's rights. >> let me ask the question because you're giving the answer. if hillary clinton is the nominee, the nation certainly wouldn't see that as a loss for the democratic party. >> i would ask people to come to the nation.com to read our information. this country would be a better country if we had two real parties. i want to say about donald trump, you know, there is a reason the media's covering donald trump. it would be a disservice not to. but it struck me particularly last summer how shamefully the corporate media was lavishing attention on donald trump when bernie sanders was attracts as many or more people to his rallies and inspiring a young are generation to politics. >> i think it took the corporate media, who by the way hates donald trump -- >> well, they like the money. >> i think the corporate media, it took them a while to connect

all of those dots and we'll be honest with you, it took as you while to look at bernie. the big moment for me was the $27 per donor. i said this is beyond a political movement. it's a revolution. >> we began this bhok by talking about ted cruz. one of the things about bernie sanders that has sustained his popularity over the years is you know who he is. ted cruz, who is he? that's a real underlying weakness of ted cruz. >> bernie sanders is the small deal. what moves me is that millions people -- >> hasn't hillary been fighting your fight for 30 years? >> bernie sanders has been a

consistent advocate for issues the nation has championed for close on to 150 years. hillary clinton is -- let me say that this began more than a year ago when the nation called for contested primaries. you remember how it was all inevitable. we laugh now as we sit here on the eve of iowa and new hampshire, but it was. contested primaries not on help a candidate, they help the country,democracy. and we are witnessing a clash of ideas, and in that sense the nation is proud to endorse bernie sanders.

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if i run against hillary, they say it's going to be the largest voter turnout in the history of the united states. everyone says why do you go over the polls? because i'm number one. even some of the candidates,

donald, why do you keep going over the polls? well where are you? i'm not number. >> i want to show the tremendous crowds that we're kicking ass together. we're all kicking ass. all kicking ass. by the way, i don't like this mic. i don't like this mic system. the stupid mic keeps popping. do you hear that, george? don't pay 'em. don't pay 'em. i believe in paying but when somebody does a bad job like this stupid mic, you shouldn't pay. >> okay. wow. we have a lot to get to. that was one thing. donald trump in pensacola, florida. >> our hometown. >> welcome to "morning joe." >> my brother introduced him.

it's a shame nicole's father couldn't go there. >> that would have been a perfect pairing. with us, contribute mike barnicle. >> veteran. >> i like it. it's mine and i'm going with it. it's true. have you read his work? a little google, billy. >> former treasure and economic analyst steve rattner. >> it is interesting. you talk to anybody in boston and they come up to you and it's mike barnicle. no matter who it is, doesn't matter how big they are, stars in hollywood, it's "you know barnicle, what's he like? >> last week i interviewed matt damon, i said before we started mike barnicle says hi. his eyes -- "barnicle!" . >> and katty kay in washington

and managing editor of bloomberg, mark hal preseperin. >> i do want to talk to mark halperin. >> real quickly. you have 20 seconds. >> i was at george w. bush's campaign rally in 2004 in the final stages of that unbelievable presidential race in early november. i saw reagan come to pensacola twice in 1980. i saw the crowds, i've never seen anything like that in my hometown before. it's absolutely staggering, here we are in early january. i'll be honest with you. i guess seeing it in your own hometown, i don't -- i don't -- i can't believe i'm saying this. i don't get it as far as the size of the crowds go.

this is like nothing i saw with reagan, it's lying nothing i saw with bush, it's nothing i saw with any political candidate. what i saw come out of pensacola last night, mark halperin. >> it's not the first big trump rally i've been to but it's one of the biggest ones i've gone to. it would be great for any person interested in politics to go to. people streaming in, waiting in line, happily waiting in line. there's a carnival-like atmosphere. and when he talks, he knows how to work the crowd. john and i talked to him last night. we talked to about his long-time experience as a speaker. he said people like to hear him talk. the biggest thing in pensacola in a long time.

but that's true in the northies when he appear in lowell, massachusetts. there's another other candidate who can put on the kind of performance he did last night. >> my friend called me up at 10 in the morning yesterday morning, said people were already lined up at the civic center. you tell me they turned away thousands of people. we saw all the people inside event but you said they turned away thousands of people who couldn't get in. >> it's a supply and demand issue. barry manilow is coming to the same venue in a couple weeks. i'm not sure he'll draw quite as big a crowd. this ability to bring people in and remember, it's not just for show, it's not just for the cameras, these are people trump gets to breach or speak to.

it would take others, i don't know, a hundred events. >> i would say marco with maybe get 150 people at an event, ted cruz would get double, 300 people at an event. >> and this is different. there's something different going on. >> you see it with bernie sanders on the democratic side, too. >> i know. we have incredible new poll numbers out on bernie sanders and his response to hillary clinton getting strong about bernie, it's getting really tough. also your paper or boston's paper, front page has two stories. first of all, ge leaving connecticut. second of all, who is elizabeth warren going to endorse and why it's so important. we have the author of that article on coming up. >> and mike barnicle, you're talking about the editorial right here. i've been saying it for years.

i said it when i was a florida resident, i say it now that i'm a connecticut resident. everybody saluted connect in 1981 when they passed the income tax, it began the long, precipitous decline. this is a state that is in tatters. dannel malloy's leadership has been devastating. and ge warned him. he said if you pass the tax, we'll have no choice. their response was oh, you just want a tax break so you can buy bigger yachts for the weekend.

that's what the majority leader said of the legislature. you know why general electric left connecticut? it's not because of the taxes because they could have gone to texas or florida if they wanted lower taxes. they could have gotten a deal. they left because connecticut and other states are hostile. rhode island had the problem, too, but they've got a democratic governor now who is doing an incredible job. this isn't even about being a republican or democrat. it whether you want people in your state to have jobs or not. and there as a great democrat being governor in rhode island that gets it. you know what, they were thinking about going to rhode island. they ended up going to massachusetts. it's devastating. >> it's devastating for connecticut. i was stunned with the decision to move to boston. i can understand it in retrospe retrospect, you've got the schools, you've got the medical

b b biotechs centers, you've got ges beginning to more away from engineering. but you have in massachusetts now, you've got a young republican governor, charlie baker, who is the future of the republican party. >> by the way, i'm not worried about the republican party outside of washington, d.c., they're doing pretty damn well. >> tonight the gop presidential candidates will debate again, this time in charleston, north carolina. donald trump will be flanked by marco rubio and ted cruz. and ted cruz goes in to tonight's debate having to respond to another unforeseen issue. the "new york times" broke a story on senator ted cruz's finances that was apparently news to ted cruz himself. an investigation found that he did not report a major loan that was used to fund his 2012

primary campaign. >> i'm sure the loan came from a small texas savings and loan. he's a man of the people. >> the loan was not listed in his financial reports, it was discovered with his personal disclosure. the loan was from goldman sacks where his wife -- >> it's not a community bank? what? goldman sachs? >> it's where his wife, heidi, works and is now on leave. it was also a loan from citibank. reporters watched as cruz apparently read the story on his phone after an event last night. >> we borrowed against the stocks and assets that we had under ordinary terms. our finances are not complicated. we put in the entirety of our savings.

we did so through a margin loan against assets. a technical and inadvertent filing error does not change that at all. >> we're trying to sort through this because nobody gives us million dollar loans. >> he essentially got a margin loan from goldman sachs. i never thought i'd be in the position of defending ted cruz. >> that's what we're asking you. >> from what we know now, i think it's a little bit of a foot fought. the things that are odd is cruz said he'd put every penny of his liquid net worth back into the campaign but he seems to have not sold his stocks and borrowed against it. >> what further complicates the fact is the banking laws in

canada are so different. >> organization, stop. that i think is the point here. >> flag. >> throw the flag. >> donald trump weighed in during an interview that will air tonight on "all due respect." >> big story tonight about ted cruz and his not having reported properly a loan he got in a senate campaign from goldman sachs. are you concerned about that? do you think voters should be? >> i heard it's as big thing. i know nothing but it but i hear it's a very big thing. i hope he solves it. i this he's a nice guy and i hope he gets it solved. >> you've been in the public eye for years and years. he's new to the scene. do you think that now he becomes a leading candidate he should be investigated? >> he's been up until the last few days and the reason is i'm doing well and i can understand it but he's been very, very nice to me, very respectful, my

ideas, my whole being he's been terrific. i just hope that's not a big problem for him. >> mika and i have always said donald has a big heart and he was really concerned for ted on the whole canadian citizenship thing and he's really concerned here. i'm so glad love hasn't gone out of style. it like an early 1970s show that i know you remember, mark halperin, "love american style," red, white and blue. >> he was very restrained in talking -- >> is it a big deal? >> i think it's a big deal for two reasons. one is it brings up his ties to goldman sachs. his wife worked there, is on leave. and goldman sachs is probably the worst brand name possible to be associated with and it puts ted cruz under the microscope. it means he's in the barrel to

deal with the story. he did disclose it in some forums, there's no illegality here but it does provide a moment of testing for ted cruz. as well as he's done, he's not been scrutinized all that much and it's coming. >> the big complaint when you talk to republicans, especially republicans who worked with him bush campaigns and past administrations, they are say he's a hypocrite, they say he's a phony. they say he preaches populism but he went to the best ivy league schools in america, deep ties with goldman sachs, he was george w. bush's -- at the center of that campaign he was mr. republican establishment, is as plugged into the east coast establishment as you can be and then in 2010 the tea party movement erupted and suddenly he

became a tea partier's partier. you've heard it, too. didn't know ted before this but that is a constant knock is that he's a phony and this seems to feed into that, doesn't it? >> it's a constant knock, and it one that he's well aware of. princeton, harvard law school, goldman sachs, it does not get more establishment than those institutions. the establishment looking at those two guys, you see some people in the establishment saying given what you just said about ted cruz, you you know what, we can deal with donald trump. therei seas some up side there. you know what, maybe because of his background we'll live with ted cruz as our nominee. they both recognize their chances are better long to to be

the nominee and win the general election if they win that sidebar contest, even as their main emphasis is -- and what was the central themes of the tea party mission was to go against firms like goldman sachs. he represents himself one way and behind bars is doing other things. >> new polls show bernie sanders in striking distance of hillary clinton in iowa. maybe that explains the new attacks between the two campaigns. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> i know you haven't been able to sleep wondering about the fate of that frozen vehicle. we finally have the resolution to the frozen car. it kind of boring.

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a new poll just out this morning shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a two-point race in iowa. it's within the poll's margin of error. the poll shows clintsanders lea

clinton. he's ahead 59% to 27% among people under theage of 45. in all, 59% of like live caucus goers say their minds are made up while 40% say their decision could still change. >> mike barnicle, what a tight race this has become. >> tight race, it's funny, i have never encountered a democrat who does not believe that hillary clinton has the credentials and would be a good president of the united states, but there is always an undercurrent of wariness about her. >> why? >> i think because she's been around a long time, because she has a certain amount of baggage that she carries from the 90s from the clinton administration. and on the other side of the

coin because of bernie sanders's passion that he's brought to the campaign and the passion that his believers, his followers have. it tops whatever passion there is around hillary clinton. >> the way the clinton campaign has given over bernie sanders, misrepresenting his views on gun, sending chelsea clinton out to speak against bernie sanders. if last summer they could dismiss him as as sort of a whacky, socialist -- >> and the attacks are raising a lot of money for bernie sanders. >> i think there's also a philosophical difference. this is also a little bit of a battle over the hearts and mind of the democratic party and where irrelevant going. this is not like barack obama and hillary clinton in 2008

whose positions were pretty darn similar when you cut through it all. they have very different positions on how they think the government should engage itself. >> so with other early state polls showing hillary clinton under increasing pressure, the former secretary of state was asked if she's nervous about sanders' new-found momentum. >> no, i'm not nervous at all. i'm working hard and i intend to keep working as hard as i can. i think we're in that stage of a campaign where we've each been introducing ourselves, we've been talking about our particular views on issues and now it's time to draw some contrast. one of the big ones is on gun safety where senator sanders has been a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby. i have been standing against them for a long time. >> i have a d-minus voting record from the nra.

in 1988 i probably lost a congressional election because i said maybe we should not have assault weapons being sold in america. to say i'm kind of a supporter of the nra is really a mean spirited and unfair and inaccurate statement. >> we have a difference on health care. want to build on the affordable care act. hoose introduced legislation neen time -- he's introduced legislation to take the health care and wrap it up in a bundle and hand it over to the states. >> let me ask you about the fact you'd like to rip up the health care act and get back to a single payer system, correct? >> it's funny, now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. in 2008 she was attacking obama

because obama was attacking her because she supported universal health care. i will help hillary clinton will tell the american people does she support universal health care. >> mark halperin, what do you think? >> the clinton camp up until now have been dismissive of this many and basically think our lead there is bigger. after our poll has come out this morning, fresh reporting from the clinton camp, they're not denying this race is close. some of them see heartened that senator clinton is ahead within the margin of error in this poll. they know they're all in in iowa and new hampshire, there's no turning back, that sanders has a strong momentum in both states. i think they may be underestimating what the sanders team has built. he now has more of his footing, more of his confidence about how to roo spond to attacks and how to go on offense than who has. he's come a long way since that

first debate with hillary clinton where he didn't seem to understand how modern presidential politics works. he is now a better candidate and she is fighting to save herself in these two states where if she loses them both, the world will be a different place. she still can win obviously but the world will be a very different place. >> coming up on "morning joe," one of the most iconic corporations is packing its boxes. why ge is leaving connecticut. >> al jazeera is shutting down -- >> in america or across the pier? >> here. much more in business before the bell.

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if we had a real president, not the president who made a speech last night where everybody fell asleep, look -- >> what he said, president obama because we have to treat him with respect, yes? >> no! >> you have a president who is african-american, good, i love that, except less has been done for african-americans than anybody. they're having one. worst times they've ever had,

african-american youth. >> actually, ripped not from the headlines, not ripped from the headlines, actually ripped from the mouth of tavis smiley yesterday who basically said the same thing. >> let's see where in conversation goes. joining us now, chair of african-american studies at princeton university, author of "democracy in black," how race still enslaves the american soul and president and ceo of the urban league. we were talking to tavis about this yesterday. it has to be so frustrating for black americans who said we had a black president, attorney general -- i mean, go down the list, national security adviser and yet we seem to be falling

further and further behind every year. the stories coming out of chicago, coming out of ferguson, coming out of baltimore. how do you square all of this? >> that's the great paradox. we thought we had turned the corner. >> if i went to princeton, i would say the great paradox is -- >> remember when he was first elected, we entered a post racial area. but over the last eight years african-americans have fall i don't know behind in almost every major statistic cal category. we know african-americans are still struggling in terms of the labor market. >> youth unemployment, especially for young black men, staggering. >> right. but that's been there for a long time. been that way a long time. >> i know it has. so much let me ask you -- so we've seen a lot of other

americans white americans, hispanic americans, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. is it usually just magnified for african-americans? >> we usually say when white america catches a cold, we catch the flu. so if the context of this book, we just want to say -- >> let me make this point. the request is what's the baseline for comparison? is it january 2009 when the black unemployment was higher than it is today? are the problems and the exacerbation a function. great recession? and the fact of the matter is because i've been involved in this, is that even ideas put forward by the president to alviate this unemployment issue called the american jobs act introduced in 2011, never saw the light of day because of a senate filibuster. so there's responsibility but

there's responsibility to go around. and i think that's important. >> by the way, we're not blaming -- i'm not blame ig anything on president obama in this case because the biggest problem is since 1973, average wages have gone down. >> for everyone. >> for all americans. this is a republican problem, a democratic problem. but again, the great paradox is so many african-americans had to believe when president obama was elected, okay, now -- >> but some of us never bought the post-racial rhetoric. >> i'm not talking about what people are saying in manhattan. i'm talking about what people were saying in ferguson the night that president obama won. >> and folks were celebrating and then many of them woke up to foreclosure in thes on their

home. there's something we have to confront and i call it the value gap. it's this fundamental believe that in this countries that committed to democracy, that for so much of our spry, white people have been valued more than black folk, and no matter what the inputs are outputs will be the same. even if up get an african-american in the white house. and folks are talking about recovery right now but we haven't recovered. >> and it's going to require -- >> at the start of your book and even in the introduction, you're very tough on barack obama, tough on jimmy carter and bill clinton. with barack obama, though, is it your feeling that who just want black enough? >> no, not at all. i just say we green screened it. we made him what we wanted him to be. we wanted hip to be anty war

candidate, we wanted him to be the progressive savior, we wanted him to be the person who will resolve all of our country's history. >> what did he not do that you wanted him to do? >> i wanted him to be builder. >> this is the problem. we don't elect emperors. we don't elect lead that's can rule by decree or edict. we elect a president who manages a democracy with three branches of government. so, you know, at the -- >> at the same time, though, mark, you say, this president obama his first couple of years had an overwhelming majority of democrats running the house and the senate, could have passed so many things he's been blaming republicans. i'm not giving anybody -- >> but the problem is -- >> you're obsessing about barack obama -- >> no, i'm not.

you all are talking about barack obama -- >> no, i'm not. we're trying to have a conversation about the past 40, 50 years. >> yeah. so what about bush? what about reagan? what about the impact they had also? >> of course. >> again, the past 40 or 50 years. i'm trying to get at the heart of this, though. what do we do moving forward? what happens next. what was not done offer the past eight years, the past 80 years. >> i say we need a resolution of value. weep need to change how we government. we need to chang how we view white people.

s that what black lives matter is all about. we know we matter. the point is that white folk don't matter more. and we can't be greedy, we can't be selfish, we can't be narcissistic. we all the, sighting energy around bernie sanders, that's just simply occupy, making self known in a political campaign. part of what we have to do is challenge of what's happened at the very heart of this country and that is that green hayes taken over democracy. >> a and we need to have thought leaders talk about that. weep needed to devote at least an hour to this issue and so so many other issues right now that so many americans are talking

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