senator sanders called him weak, disappointing. he even in 2011 publicly sought someone to run in a primary against president obama. >> 2008, i did my best to see he was elected and in 2012 i worked as hard as i could to see that he was re-elected. >> your feelings towards president obama are a little strange given what you said about him in 2011. >> good morning. >> do we really want to go back in the vault and see what people said about president obama standing up on that stage in 2007 and 2008. hillary, it's fine. it's a fine thing to do if you

have always supported president obama but if you said things like hillary and bill clinton said in the past even not behind closed doors, that's not what you want to be using as your line of defense. >> not only that but the whole tone of these debates on both sides, i want to know where we're going, not where we've been. where do you want to take us? >> i think it comes down to who the person is, what they've done and integrity and consistency. that's what you have to look for. these candidates were in a heated debate last night. >> we were here in 2007 and 2008. we saw all the stories. >> i was surprised senator sanders didn't go back at her with that. >> he's so disciplined about not

getting ugly. >> that was a fascinating debate because the previous two or three she was able to look past even. now she was going after bernie sanders every time she spoke. >> that's a big change. mark made sure he got in there. >> can i have 30 seconds? >> you can have more than 30 seconds this morning with everything going on on set. mike barnical, richard haas and in charleston, south carolina managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin. we'll get more to the debate in a moment. first, it was a fast paced weekend in relations between nine states and iran as elements of the nuclear deal went into effect. new sanctions were put into place and five americans were freed from iran -- iranian

activity. the u.s. and allies released billions in iranian assets and opened up opportunities to trade. president obama reacted yesterday at the white house. >> this is a good day because once again we're seeing what's possible with strong american diplomacy. for decades our deals with iran meant our governments almost didn't speak to each other. it has created a window. >> as the mt celebrated the progress, the u.s. slapped new

sanctions on the countries said to be involved in the missle program. he announced the message with a message to iranians. you have to opportunity to begin building new ties with the world. we have a rare chance to pursue a new path. a different and better future that delivers progress for the people of our world. that's the progress of the iranian people. >> speaking directly to the iranian people, richard haas, what do you make of that? >> the administration is caught in two slightly different narratives. one is the big nuclear agreement when they're saying yes, we gave up a lot. then it goes back and forth on

whether this is also about a transformation in iran and in the u.s. a rairanian relationsh. there's a certain tension in the administration position. a narrow nuclear agreement and the broader transformational preview. >> and the prisoner swap saying it was part of it and in case there was any doubt on saturday we learned the ransom price. 100 billion and a prisoner swap of iranians who violated the laws. it can yield a diplomatic fall. >> not quiet. the money was linked to the nuclear deal. it was actually what they have done in the significant

reductions. and its center fusions. that's a big deal. >> the united states was never going to release the $100 billion until the hos danls were released were they? i don't know if there was informal linkage. >> there was no way they could move forward with this deal with iran as long as the washington post reporter was riding in jail for over 500 days, was there? >> probably not. i think one of larger stories. >> there was a parallel process. >> i want to hear what mike said. they were released on implementati implementation. >> they were not going to release the money. >> exactly. come on. everybody in america knows that. >> but the largest story, i

think, in developing all this is the divisions in the iranian leadership that was, it was like skating on thin ice for over two years for secretary kerry and the president. >> we're not dealing with the quote unquote a country with quote unquote a government. no other country we deal with, probably the single most difficult for us to figure out. >> it's been interesting in adds. i was tweeting on saturday going forward, it's fascinating the interplay between the sites and

actually you get a sense that the guards, the revolutionary guards overreached when they seized the u.s. vote and they overreached when they violated the geneva conventions by forcing them to do a hostage video. and in so doing, gave more of the main stream iranians the leverage they needed to say okay, now we're going to report it and you're going to resign. i think that over reach actually, it's all linked and fools out there that write their little blogs, that don't, they think everything is neat and lined up here and there. don't understand first of all how complex iran is. it's the number one question i love asking when people come on.

>> we're glad they're back but let's not overstate the great kploem s-- diplomacy. >> this is the second time. second time in a week that good things have happened and applause for iran's heinous actions. one, they get our troops, make them hold their hands over their head and violate the geneva convention and we're all like this is such a great thing. >> whose applauding that? >> it's the same thing with now they release a hostage after 500 days. you're right. dw why are we sitting back going this is a victory to have them home. >> it is a victory to have them

home. am i being too harsh? thanking them too much is silly? >> you're not being harsh. the people arrested on our side violated law. >> iranians, clearly. >> people on our side doing this, the people they arrested were not doing espionage, they were doing their job as journalists. >> there's a great debate here we're going to have. let's bring in the washington post executive editor. jason is freed this morning after being in prison 500 days. nobody's saying thank you, iran. we are all saying thank god. >> tell us how things are going and what's the latest from there? >> well, we're feeling good, of course, that jason is here.

we're relieved he was released. he's in the hospital and being treated and evaluated. we had the opportunity last night to speak with him. >> and tell us when you got the news, how did you get the news on saturday? >> some of us, the authority had given us a heads up we thought something might have been imminent so we made our way to europe. we had a telephone call saturday morning telling us that the release was about to happen.

>> he told us last night he felt better than he did 48 hours earlier and better than several months ago. we don't have a full evaluation of his medical condition and that will be private to him and perhaps his family. we don't know. we haven't had the opportunity to meet with him in person. we'll have the opportunity to do that today. we'll know more when we're able to can that. >> marty, as well as doug, chime in on this. can you talk about the difficulty, the dree of difficulty in covering the story you were so intimately involved in on so many different levels? >> it's not easy.

the washington post news room continues to report on jason's well being and security. it was our reporting that given us a sense that a release might be coming. >> thank you so much. >> those two guys should be commanded. >> there's so many layers to the story. >> we reached out to fred ryan over the weekend. fred is a great guy obviously. pu publisher of the post. so thrill and so beyond words. i'm going to follow up on what you said. i read this over the weekend.

policy makers face a hazard if they do not face on that provocation we seen it twice, the rewarding of the postal taking him hos damage and taking u.s. soldiers in a way. and the reversal of the underlying heinous action of iran. >> even the washington post said we need a stricter u.s. policy or this is going to happen again and again. >> i don't know whose saluting

iran, do you? >>. >> no. >> it's the longer term question. we have not only the nuclear agreement but the entire regional threat posed to iran which is fundamental to our interest. and there's still fundamental questions. these limits run out after 10 or 15 years. in the meantime, what will iran do with the wind fall of the resources? >> let me ask you this, richard, over the weekend a lot of president obama's supporters say we've dismantled iran's nuclear program. it's worth releasing a hundred billion dollars in sanctions. >> they're still keeping in place and there's no way you can

eliminate the foundations of a nuclear program and the expertise and equipment and again, the same point. after 10 years, they can do whatever they want. >> right now though, is the deal worth it to you? >> the trade, would this have been the deal i would negotiated? no. once i negotiated it, i thought it was a mistake. this was an expensive deal. we did not deal permanently with their fluk leer deal. >> bottom lining if you had to have an up or down vote on this deal it sounds like you would have voted for it. >> i would not have negotiated this deal. once we negotiated this deal, i would supported another.

in a dangerous violent world do you want to be a part of an on going enterprise or bring them into an alliance with civilization? >> that's the question. is that going to happen? was their treatment of the united states sailors suggest they were moving in this directi direction? was there shooting a rocket a thousand yards away from the u.s.s. harry truman a month or so ago? what did that show? violations already of other treatments. >> if it pays off we all won the

power ball lottery. he failed and we're still paying for it and will for the next 30 years. but mike, you tell me. is this regime going to live by its word? >> especially over the weekend with the hesitation to put the entire family on the plane can this adwreemt, can continuing dialogue between the united states or arena get iran to a point where the republican guard action is estranged? >> and it goes back to really, this is not a question and you brought this up earlier. it's not a question of whether iran is going to be a good actor in international affairs as much

as it is on what actor is going to end up being the battle between the guards, between people like the leaders and reformers. >> this has been going on 36 years. this agreement will work against that. it provides resources in iran having fundamentally changed. in some way this strengthens the affairs. j i'll read from the new york times. they say a deal is a testament to patient diplomacy and president obama's visionary for

the nuclear relent. i also think when you're dealing with hostages, it's hard to criticize the moment. there are news organizations that did not report the news. i think it's tough to criticize in the moment. >> israel has a history of paying an awful lot to get its people back. the release of resources, what are the odds? having iran becoming a descent citizen of the world. >> joining us from teran, chief

correspondent richard angle. what's the reaction been to the lifting of the sanctions and the prisoner swap? >> there is a lot of optimism here. i just came back from the main bizarre area and speaking to people who sell carpets and this is the main economic heart of the city. people are hoping they can engage in more trade and there are more tourist coming. i was the only foreigner there at the time. they were saying americans are welcome, they should come and buy. the economy in this country has been devastated by the sanctions put in place.

that has a huge psychological impact. the money hasn't started flowing. we're not seeing immediate differences. weav we're hearing whack only be sounding like encouraging signs. the president is talking how the country is going to grow economically next year and this is the time foreign investment should be pouring in. the tens of billions of dollars that are being unfrozen also don't appear to have made their way to the economy yet. mostly we're seeing a lot of expectation and hope. >> all right. richard haas. thank you so much. richard angle thank you so much.

willie, how would you like to have an 8-track tape player back throughout the 1970s and you're not allowed to sell any of them and then 1981 comes and people start using cassettes and they go now you can sell your 8-track player. i mean, iran comes out and oil's at 29. are you kidding? they'll be fine. they're going to do very well. it is, at 29. the world has changed dramatically. >> they've got something like 40 million barrels floating in reserve they've been ready to sell. but they're going to be okay. they have 120 billion dollars trade open to the west and joining the world now. >> even at a lower price, that's still real money. >> and it helps consumers here. the flooded market becomes even more flooded. >> we have to talk about the democratic debate.

secretary of state john kerry joins us live in his first interview since the americans were release from the iranian jails. plus hillary clinton and bernie sanders turn the heat to south carolina. we'll be right back. if you misplace your discover card, you can use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it, you can switch it right on again. ♪ you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com.

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well, here we are. you are so wrong. we so disagree about this. you are not fifing me equal time on this. >> i am hoping i am wrong. i have said for a decade if you can turn iran, they have been at the center of terror since 1979, if it can be turned then it is one of the great, great, i would put it up there as one of the

great post war vooechlts. >> can you agree this is one of the things that could take decades? >> it could take decades. if things turn, if it works and president obama's instinct he has had since 2007, a lot of people don't remember, this has been his vision since 2007. he was criticized by hillary clinton. you're talking about going in and talking without preconditions which offended people like hillary clinton and me, democratic voters.

hillary clinton and me offended by this. if you're going to create great things, you have to have that sort of vision and he's had a singular vision to open up iran since 2007. >> can i say what frustrates me about the critics of this and then we can move on. everyone says this president doesn't know how to make deals. i'm sorry, he made a big deal here. he made a deal that appears to be working. no deal do you really like to outcome of? >> i would premier he make deals with people other than iran and cu cuba. i'm not saying go to war.

that's the stupidity that the administration has covered. there's an in between. i hope somebody will write a column and talk about the treatment of iran verses egypt since president obama came into power. iranians shot down, gunned down in their own streets in 2009 and president obama for the most part gave them a free pass. egypt has protests and president obama says of a 30 year allie they must go. there's a double standard here and it scares a lot of our friends in the middle east. >> i think looking back on it

they say that's a mistakes even though they didn't respond i would argue to people in the streets and the soonny world. i think that's a legitimate question. the other thing is, it's not a question ordeal or no deal. the question is against the falling price of oil, was this the deal? i think that's what historians argue. the question is given the leverage we have from this kind of price of oil were we too anxious for a deal? if you want to go to a car lot, you'll leave with a car. should we have gotten the deal? that's the argument out there. >> i want to let you know, mika, i'm for this fact. for the war weary america, there's a lot of republican candidates opposed to this deal. in the long run, i'm overwhelmingly in the minority of this and i think you're in the majority. most americans are willing to

make this gamble with iran. >> also, there were so many critics and things happening behind the scenes that had brought them home. maybe we could have more trust in it. it just might be. let's get to politics. december pate running neck and neck with bernie sanders and most polls out of aiowa and new hampshire, hillary clinton leads sanders 54-39 among democratic primary voters nationwide however sanders continues to out perform clinton among younger voters. he leads 49-44. last night, the three democratic candidates for president faced

off. in what was seen by many anz attempt to neutralize hillary clinton's most frequent attacks against him, bernie sanders backed his announcing of legislation that would change a 2005 law giving gun manufactures legal community. >> i think secretary clinton knows what she says is disengenius. by the way, it's a senator from a rural state that has virtually no gun control. i believe i'm in an excellent position to bring people together. >> sensor, you answered the question you changed your position on the -- >> what i said was the bill had

good provisions. i said i would relook at it, i will support stronger provisions. >> would you like to respond? >> yes. look, i have made it clear he has voted numerous times. 90 people a day die from gun violence in our country. one of the most horrific examples not a block from here where we had nine people murd murdered. now, i am pleased to announce sanders has already introduced

legislation. does that attack stick? >> well, it's certainly the one place where she's been able to get a beat on him from the left and talk about change and being bold because within the democratic party you site it being bold and popular. she's trying to find a message to close with. the greatest bernie sanders has right now has been for several weeks. he's closing with the message he starts with. he knows what he wants to talk about over the next few weeks. she faces choices now. does she want to talk about guns, health care, barack obama? she is still trying to find a closing message and make no mistake. he has a momentum on the ground in iowa. >> did you do anything, mark, last night in the debate to stop that momentum? >> i didn't see anything.

she was fine and i think he was better. this is the last debate before iowa and i don't think she stopped it here. i think she tried to have some arguments and we'll see which one she chooses going forward. she did not put the brakes on what is still a confident, not just sanders himself but a very confident sanders operation fired up on the ground in iowa in a way that she's going to have to match. the mechanics are strong but you need the emotion and last night she was is candidate for stability. >> i'm sitting there watching show time and the circus comes on. i have a prediction here.

this will change not only the way we look add politics, it will change the way we watch tv, eat, sleep, vacation, how we live and what survival seeds we buy in fact after iran gets a nuclear weapon. this is an important show. not the region but a world that will transit form the universe. >> mark, you anticipated, hillary clinton provoked president obama's name again and again and on things like the affordable care act she suggested bernie sanders wanted to undo it and start over. what's the strategy there?

>> she's exceeding the popular and democratic party at large. like i said, she's got to figure out where she wants to close. that's harder and more broadly than she has in a forum like this. that seems to be one of the things she wants to do. at the same time, president obama represents the status quo. he's been in office. she's hugging him because she sees that has one line. we saw her triathlon last night across the board and again, she's going to have to figure out which she wants to close with. >> let's bring in president of the national action network. reverend al sharp ton. good to see you. what did you think as you watched the debate last night? we talked about the poll nationally up bay 2y 25 points.

>> i think last night was a good night for secretary clinton last night's debate was hosted in south carolina where they had issues with former president clinton saying derogatory things about president obama in 08. there were a lot of reasons she wanted to make it clear and she was embracing president obama and that she had some specific and detailed policies around issues that could serve after ri can americans. i think she did a good job. i don't think senator sanders hurt himself. the polls, i don't think you should get too caught up in. i remember in 04 when i ran and secretary kerry is coming on the show. we ran in the same race. howard dean is ahead and we got to iowa a couple of weeks later

and dean came in third. i wouldn't go by polls. i don't see anything last night that would change the because yachl and commitment of sander's followers. >> and reverend al, thanks so much for that. i want to ask what you are doing today for martin luther king day and talk about his legacy in 2015. >> i am in washington where we have a breakfast here annually and this morning, we are honoring the charleston nine massacre's families. the pastor of the church's family is here, he was killed in bible class. we're also honoring former attorney general, president attorney general will be with us then i fly back to new york

where we're having a king forum and we're having a march around economic justice. we do two cities. i think his legacy is you can use nonviolent direct action and a less reform to change the country. dr. king and others. let's not act as though he was alone because he would not say that. he seg reguised a movement that would change the landscape of the country. that has been good for all of us. he did it without harming others and without abusing others but he did it by confronting what was wrong and the legacy, i think, is that america can grow and change if you're committed more to the change and become the change yourself. that's what the king represents and represents so well in history. >> reverend al, thank you so much. up next, david live for the

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on the secret track and all the senior u.s. officials kept trying to get him free along with other americans being held i think is good. most israelis regard with credit. >> you could extend that out also obviously to the arab league members, couldn't you, especially soonny arabs. >> absolutely. >> we'll have to see. president said this is a turning point for our country. certainly, what the iranians gave up on implementation day.

it's show me. fur changing and they said more actions are going to be necessary. >> it's good to see you this morning. what's the best case scenario as you look at it? if it plays out the way president obama hopes it will, what does it liook like in five or ten years and how does it play out in the middle east? >> as iran opens to the west, as it does more business and the iowa rain canadians travel they will change as much as china

did. diplomatic issues are important for both countries. secretary harry has been able to get iran and saudi arabia around on a negotiating table even with the tension on those two countries. if, over the next several months iran is serious about playing a roll in the future of this region, that's the place that it can do it. finally, people need to focus on the iranian elections. february 26th, iran will elect a new parliament. you'll know from a composition of the parliament if there's a chance for a more moderate voice to be heard in iran? >> richard. >> david, i was going to ask you about the elections because they're five or six weeks away. do israelis sense this will put wind behind the sails or do they think essentially because the rulers can decide who runs that

if anything it will go the other way? what's their reading on the situation? >> the israelis have always been somewhat more skeptical of the president and his foreign minister than the u.s. has. they're looking as you suggest at who is allowed to run. if the hard liners are able to scratch a lot of the candidates, a lot of the moderate more pragmatic candidates, this is going to be a rigged election and no chance of getting a good outco outcome. i'm told not by israelis but americans who follow this carefully, there's so many moderate candidates who have entered the list, it's hard to get rid of all of them. the pace rancic israeli view is high degree of skeptism in washington. >> really quickly. we do need to go, david. i seen a news report yesterday that iran's hard line guardian counsel had barred the overwhelming majority of

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now our governments are talking with one another. following the nuclear deal, you, especially young iranians have the opportunity building new ties with the world. we have a rare chance to pursue a new path, a different and better future that delivers progress for both our peoples and the wider world. that's the opportunity before the iranian people. we need to take advantage of that. >> i like when he spoke to the a

iranian people. that was brilliant on many levels. >> that was great. >> we are joined by mike barnical, president of foreign relations, richard haas. managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin and president and ceo walter. and political analyst robert costca. >> let's start with you, mark. what was it? break it down. >> i gave a b plus to bernie sanders and b to hillary clinton. she acted in some ways like the underdog. she's the heavy favorite to be the democratic nominee. bernie sanders, you see it in the polling and on the ground in iowa and new hampshire it's been his game plan to win those two states and see where he is.

he displayed himself last night. he's more confident than he's ever been and her campaign is still struggling for a strategy in the final two weeks. >> you know, probably the most con ten, part of the debate came when the question turned to wall street reform and bernie sanders actually was asked a question on how he would differ from the issue on wall street reform to hillary clinton. this is how it went. >> first differences, i don't take money from big banks. i don't get personal speaking fees from goldman and sachs. >> where we disagree is the comments senator sanders made that don't just effect me. but he's criticized president obama from taking donations from wall street sand president obama has led our country out of the great recession hi r had you

ev -- >> in 2006 when i ran for the senate, barack obama was kind enough to campaign for me. 2008 i did my best to see he was elected and in 2012 i see that he was re-elected. he and i are friends and worked together on many issues. we have some differences of opinion. >> your comments are strange given what you said in 20 is 1. i have a plan most commentators said is more effective and comprehensi comprehensive. >> you're not to only one so i don't mean just to point the finger at you but you've received over $600,000 in

speaking fees from goldman and sachs in one year. >> mark halperin. >> it went on. >> it went on and on. >> i've got to say it's bizarre hearing hillary clinton act as barack obama's champion especially in south carolina when you would have to go back to the 1988 bush or the 2000 bush-mccain smack down there to find an uglier primary fight than clinton-obama in south carolina in 2008. that was strange. how did that come across in the hall? >> he's a wildly popular figure here in south carolina with democratic con sich juan sis.

she's trying to windem cat rancic election. she's clinging to the commander in chief, the president, the leader of the democratic party and yes, someone's she's fought with in public way more than bernie sanders. >> so, i want to finish the thought bernie sanders was making. i think we got the zinger in there, not the real point. he said you've received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman and sachs in one year. i find it very strange that a major financial institution that

pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the law, not one of their executives is prosecuting while kids that smoke marijuana gets a jail sentence. he said so much in that one 20-second period of time. not only did he say hillary clinton, you're in bed with them, you've taken money from them for speaking fees but there's something majorly wrong about the entire picture and i'm consistent on that. i want to ask you am i crazy to think if this prolongs and people really start to take notice of bernie sanders in the media like voters are, will hillary clinton have to do something like make elizabeth warren her running mate? >> i don't know. i don't know about that. i do know that listening to bernie sanders last night in the debate and also listening to what he was saying on mark halperin's show on show time, he

said the same thing. i notice something else about the clear message bernie sanders was getting on the left and donald truch was getting on the right if those idea logical descriptions match up as much as they use to, i'm not so sure. but halperin they went around and you go to a ted cruz event and they were impressive and there were 30-40 people there. you can go to a hillary event and there could be 200 people there. they showed bernie sanders going on stage rock star. he was a total rock star. it looked like you were introducing you too. then they showed donald trump in pensacola walking on stage like the biggest rock star in the

world and you just wonder. >> the crowd is showing this building up in the country. it doesn't usually sway american politics in the long run and i think you can have that sort of excitement. i'm not sure it's going to be trance la translated into the voting booth. >> i just don't know. i understand populous resentment seems like an understatement. everyone keeps calling this a band of voters or swath of people. you go to these rallies and it's

a mix of americans. >> you get a camera kbhiend donald trump and again, rock star status. i wonder a year from now are we going to look back at the crowds and think how foolish we were as not seeing this as a foreshadowing as where america was going this year. >> cruz had some bigger crowds. they were in more rural areas where you're not going to draw hundreds of people. all three of them are hot candidates now because they're outsiders and because they're staying out with the status quo.

i think mika's right we're wrong to say this is a niche thing. it's a big part of the elect electorate. even some of the candidates do not like the current state of the country. the wrong track number has been high for a long time. donald trump has said he's been surprised at what a big reaction it gets when he says it can't be bought. i get how politics works, i use to be a donor and got special treatment because of that. same with bernie sanders. that is the commonality between them which drives a lot of these big crowds. and energy at the end. particularly iowa. all three of them right now are hot. can they get hot at the end?

clinton is again in a commanding position. the sanders people wouldn't deny that. she needs to do well in iowa and new hampshire. that means getting hot and she didn't leave here any hotter than she came in, i don't believe. >> no. mike. let's talk with the crowds here for a second. in terms of the intensity, the three candidates mark just mentioned, cruz, sanders and trump. what's your incite, if any, you've taken from seeing the crowds that each of these three candidates attracts at their rallies? >> i think senator sanders and donald trump have the most intense crowds. it didn't always start out that way. they've been intense for much of the past 12 months. trump's crowds have gotten more and more intense. people have gotten enthusiastic about his candidacy. cruz's crowds are growing and

there's a thing there about values and faith and the culture driving his enthusiasm. >> do you sense one group, cruz, his group seems to be more really angry. an angrier crowd than the other two attract. >> trump's crowd is more angry. cruz has more anger on what's happening on social issues. you don't see the anger about marriage and abortion with the same level as the trump rally. it's different sate by state. >> i feel like that's sarah palin's crowd, cruz's crowd. after clashing in last week's debate donald trump and ted cruz kept the rhetoric hot. trump unleashed a string of tweets against cruz and he attached the senator for reports of loans not fully disclosed during his 2012 campaign. >> it really was curious to see donald trump begin the day with

a passionate defense of hillary clinton and andrew and bill deblash ode blasio and for much of his life he was writing checks to hillary clinton and an due. it's a fair inference he supports their policies. >> you give up campaign contribution to ted cruz, you get whatever the hell you want. whatever you want. you have to get, right, you have to get well, excuse me. he didn't report his bank lo ba, excuse me. say whatever you want. he didn't report his bank loans and has bank loans from goldman and sachs and from citi bank and acts like robin hood. say whatever you want but it doesn't work that way. >> the truth is he's a nasty guy. he was so nice to me. i knew it. i was watching.

i kept saying come on, ted, let's go, ted. he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him anywhere once they get to know him. he's a very, he's got an edge not good. you can't make deals with people like that. not a good thing for the country. very nasty guy. >> we saw the tweets. put those tweets back out. ted cruz said he didn't know he was a canadien citizen. >> i think ted cruz made a great point about ted cruz not being liked in washington. how do you make deals if everybody hates your gut sns. >> i wouldn't say hate your guts. i will say ted cruz doesn't have one other person. he couldn't get one other senate colleague to allow him to move

forward. >> that's a problem. >> and have a floor vote. that's really unprecedented and unheard of in the united states senate. you always have one person that will give you his time. ted cruz has so offended everybody in the united states senate and brags about it. if you have 99 senators loading you while they're working with you, i think his supporters have to ask the question, what would happen if he's president of the united states? if while they're working for him, he can't get one person to say, we'll go ahead and give you a floor vote because he's off d offended 99 people. that's one thing being an outsider, it's another thing being a -- that's a recipe for getting nothing done. >> it's going to show how someone would govern. it's not clear to me people are thinking on govern. that explains. whose leading at this point? he's not asking how they would

do if elected. >> say what you will about donald trump. donald trump, mike barnica wi will -- can make deals. bernie sanders has made deals. bernie sanders, running the veterans committee has worked with a guy that replaced me, jeff miller, in northwest florida. a very, very conservative guy to help veterans move forward like most of these people out here know how to make deals. ted cruz doesn't. >> the only way you can govern and co-exist is be able to cut a deal. on the floor of the senate and house and life itself. >> exactly. >> robert costca thank you so much. mark, thank you as well. we love the circus. more to come on that. still ahead, secretary of state john kerry joins us live after a land mark weekend and we'll get ambassador wendy sherman's take

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for decades our differences with iran meant our governments almost never spoke to each other. that did not advance america's interest. as i've said many times, the nuclear deal was never meant to resolve all deferences with iran. engaging with the iranian government with a sustained basis has created a unique opportuni opportunity, a window. >> president obama speaking yesterday after a fast paced weekend in relations between the united states and iran as elements of the nuclear deal went into effect. new sanctions were put into place and five americans were freed from iranian activity. joining us is former secretary

of state for political affairs, ambassador wendy sherman. she is the lead u.s. nuclear negotiator with iran. you were in there. i guess i would like to ask you to respond to critics of the deal. what is the missing link? what makes this deal possibly a very, very, very good development between u.s. and iranian relationships? >> thank you, mika. very good to be with you all this morning. it makes it a good deal because it insures iran will never get a nuclear weapon which has been president obama's objective and objective of the world. it does that by shutting down the pathways to the material, the matter you need to create the fuel for a nuclear weapon. indeed, if for some reason iran does not comply, it has inside that deal all the mechanisms to make sure u.s. can unilaterally or with our partners snap back

all the sanctions and of course, we have the other options at our disposal as well. i believe this deal will get implemented and i'm very grateful this weekend and now the international atomic agency will continue to watch over this deal as will the rest of the world to make sure iran complies. >> we have the president and counsel of foreign relations, richard haas with us. >> good morning. i understand you say this deal will make it hard for iran to get a nuclear weapon. i don't understand your use of the word never. you know as well as anyone they expire after 10-15 years. how can you say this agreement makes sure iran will never get nuclear weapons. >> i said it insures it because if iran doesn't comply and starts to cheat off the deal then we have all our options at our disposal.

the reason i said never is because a, the commitment will never get a nuclear weapon. second, even though the number goes up and research and development progress can be made after the 10-15 years, for 20 years, the international atomic energy agency has eyes on the production for 25 years. all of the iranian development will be watched from the time it comes out of the ground to the time it's made into any kind of material whatsoever and iran has been signed up for the protocol which means that the international atomic energy agency can inspect any site where they have concerns that iran is doing something it shouldn't. so the insurance, richard, is not just the commitment that iran has made, not just the oversite, but the fact that we maintain our right of action if iran cheats. this is important. you know, i'm hearing everyone.

>> we have a lot of people that want to get to you. let me take it to walter right now with the next question. walter. >> ambassador, congratulations on the work you've did on this. what we've seen is they have complied with what they're suppose to do shipping out the iranian. they've also worked well the sailors that have drifted into the waters. they've done quiet a few other things including the prisoner swaps. is this now more than a nuclear deal and would you hope that step by step we have serious relations as we did 40 years ago with the persian people and the iranian government? >> well, walter, thank you for the congratulations. it goes to a credible team and secretary of kerry who will be on in a little bit. what this means is we have a

channel for dialogue and sustained way to have communications with iran. there's a lot of concerns about iran that remain. there's great concern about their destabilizing actions in this region. we all have to be mindful of that. i don't expect the irgc to stop what it's doing tomorrow. we've got to have eyes on their activities that aren't helping to bring peace and security to the world even while we look for those roads, those passes, those avenues where we can find common cause. >> ambassador, david ignacious was just talking a short while ago. he talked about how the israelis still have set the israelis on edge as well as most of arab world. what assurances can you give our israeli allies and arab allies across the middle east that this deal does not disadvantage them and they don't need to now start

developing their own nuclear weapons to counter balance iran's possibility of iranian nuclear program? >> obviously, this is quiet crucially important and david and i are both here at the security studies conference where people in the region are trying to come together on a strategic vision of what's happening in the middle east and how to encounter the concerns we have whether with iran or with isil, so we need to keep that going and find ways we can collaborate together. the president did that when he brought all the gulf arab states together. secretary kerry did that when he followed up with another meeting and counselless meetings to make sure we have that common vision. this is a work in progress and critical work for all the reasons you just said. >> thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. walter, thank you as well. we love having you.

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32 past the hour. >> also, we have nbc moderator meet the press and host of mtp daily, chuck todd. also chief correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports. >> great job last night, guys. >> also, we color coordinator. >> member of the wall street journal board and host of opinion journal, mary. zbla thanks for having me. >> we're going to. >> what was your take away from the debate? >> bernie sanders is going after her on wall street on all those connections. he sees it's working for him in iowa. i was told by he and chuck as well after the debate that he has a much better organization here in south carolina which is counter intuitive because everyone's been talking about south carolina as being her firewall when they come south

after the first other three contests. the fact is he's doing were here as well which is surprising and that's depending on what happens in iowa exactly two weeks from today. it was a very combative contest on health care. one reason was clinton was hammering him for not having details for the single payer plan and he came out with the details at 7:00 p.m. eastern two hours before the debate. including his whole income tax bract. she went after him on that. >> we have been raising questions about the nine bills that he introduced over 20 years as to how they would work and that would be the impact on people's health care. he didn't like that. his campaign didn't like it either and tonight he's come out with a new health care plan. >> secretary clinton didn't answer your question because what her campaign was saying, bernie sanders who has fought

for universal health care for my entire life, he wants to end medicare and medicaid and the children's health insurance program. that is nonsense. what a medicare for all program does is finally provide in this country health care for every man, woman and child as a right. >> i have to say i'm not sure we're talking about the plan you just introduced tonight or the plan you introduced nine times in the congress but the fact is we have the affordable care act. now, there are things we can do to improve it but to tear it up and start over again pushing our country back into that kind of con ten, debate, i think is the wrong intersection. >> i have to talk about something that's actually working in our state. >> no one is tearing this up. we're going to go forward. we're not going to tear off the affordable care act. i helped write it. we are going to move atop of that to a medicare for all.

>> chuck todd, if you were just watching the debate, you didn't follow any of the polls, you would think bernie sanders is ahead. of course, he is ahead in a lot of iowa and new hampshire polls, boy, hillary clinton took the gloves off and acted like a contender. >> well, she did. it was all about. don't forget we're debating bernie sanders proposals. we're debating his health care proposal. that's why, when you look through the mirror there we're wondering whose the front runner here and whose the challenger? i think that's what, the clinton's strategy was that. they believe, they want to see more focus on sanders and they believe while he has a passi passionate base he won't wear well with those who have pause about clinton but maybe sanders version of progressive policy recipes will be what they want.

that's their gamble. i have to tell you when i hear hillary clinton say you know, we went through this fight. do we have the energy to do this again when it comes to health care. i can tell you for the 25-year-old idealist, they don't want to hear that. for the swing voter, that's pragmatic. that was the choice. prague thattism verses ideaism. >> mike. >> we're happy to have myrary. >> mary's great. >> i've been reading some your tweets from last night. democratic candidates are able to battle. >> that's right. they spent the whole first hour on do mess rancic issues and playing to the democratic base. only a few days after you had terror attacks where?

remarkable. you want these guys to be more exercised. it wasn't the difference between pragmatism and something else sanders represents. what they were really talking about is just how far are we going to go with the third term of this president? how much are we going to tax? how much are we going to spend and that was the real one. >> i thought that was fascinating. chuck todd let me go to you and i'll get back to you. chuck, i thought it was fascinating hillary clinton last night was arguing she was the third term of barack obama. a man who in that very state in south carolina we saw one of the nastiest. >> you mean vice president cl

clint clinton? it feels like allegory or george h.w. bush watching her wrap herself in president obama. that's part of their strategy. i plan on building what president obama did. look, i get what she's doing. totally wrapping herself in the president and it may work. it does put bernie sanders in an awkward place because she's making it look like shehe's criticizing president obama. >> that's no subtly here.

>> the lack of subtly and layers of not necessarily being completely honest. >> no, the 2%, very unusually. in fact, the worst and the global disorder is what's produced trump on the right and bernie sanders on the left. something is very, very wrong. >> you say bernie is an honest socialist. >> he is. i admire him for that. i completely disagree with his policies. he said yes, the middle class has to be taxed because you have to tax the middle class to pay for what i'm proposing. he's out there with it. that's true. that's where the money is. the money is in the middle class. if you want these programs, you have to hit the middle class. that's the only way the fund it. >> andrea. i want to close with all the things that happened this weekend. i said earlier today it reminded

me of 1989 where you would be driving down the road and you would hear, i mean, just domino after another domino falling so quickly. all these things happening. of course, with the block, this weekend, it was one domino after another falling in iran. what's your take on what happened this weekend? >> well, i think it was very consequential. we don't know how it's going to turn out. i saw your interview with wendy and was there for a lot of the negotiations myself watching her and secretary kerry doing this. they accelerate after the new deal was agreed to in july. that's when they got serious about it.

is iran going to be helpful at all? so far no evidence of that. there's a real divide in iranian government and they have elections in april. we'll have to see how this is going to turn out. >> an green i can't mitchell, it's obviously rush hour there. thank you very much. great job chuck todd, as well. mary, thank you for coming on the show. come back. you're not that far away. come on over. >> just across the street. >> and the wall street editorial pages last line, iran is against the world taking american hostages while barack obama is president can yield a diplomatic and military wind fall. well said. >> up next. >> even if mika disagrees 1,000%. >> i do. >> do they mean for us?

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we greatly appreciate it. >> glad to be with you, joe. >> we talked earlier to "the washington post"'s guest and we're graeatly relieved about te release of their employees what would you say?

>> we are safer today. before we had had agreement with iran, they had 19,000 centrifuges, they had enough nuclear material to make 10 to 12 bombs and they were hurtling towards a program that was going to create inevitability of confrontation. today that is not true. that is entirely reversed. not on do we now have verification that is unprecedented, but they have rolled back their program, sent their nuclear material out of the country, destroyed their plutonium react, ceased activity at their hidden facility and allowed 130 inspectors to come into the country going forward. we have gone from a two-month breakout period, joe, to an over years breakout period now. so they are absolutely safer. and the question now is will we

able to work together with our allies to deal with the other issues of concern with respect to iran? and there are other issues and we have raised those with iran. it is not -- it is not, you know, sort of a fantasy on the part of the saudi arabians or others in the region that iran's activities in the region have been disquieting, including us, which was why the missiles sanctions and human rights sanctions are left in place and we will continue now, i hope, to try to work at the resolution of those kind of issues. i'm going it be in saudi arabia on saturday this week, i met in lon do with the foreign minister of saudi arabia, we had a very

good conversation about this. >> are you concerned about the direction the saudi government has been going over the past two months? >> i think that -- no, we understand exactly why saudi arabia reacted the way it did and every country reacted the way it did. in fact, we joined in the united nations in the security council in opposing what iran had done with respect to the embassy and the attack that took place in tehran. i think what we need do is work with all of our friend and allies in the region, which i will do and the president has absolutely commissioned all of us to engage diplomat liically see what president rouhani said is possible. he said this was a moment for

change. >> now that the iranians are going to have access to significant resources that have been frozen, do you see any difference in their policy toward syria, towards lebanon, towards yemen? why is there reason to think it would be muted now that they have access to resources that they didn't have before? >> i don't think anybody's been running around beating their chest tsaiing all of these things are going to be muted, richard. i want to take advantage in your question to make something crystal clear. joe, i've heard you, i hear the wall street journal, i hear people saying they're going to get $150 billion. no, they are not. that is a fictional number. i don't know where it comes from. they will get about $55 billion over a period of time and iran has well over 500 to $700 $800

million of requirements just to build its oil drilling capacity back, just to begin to build it's infrastructure back. they have massive needs within their country and we will be able to track where this money is going and what is happening with it. if indeed the irgc continues activities which have been sanctionable in the past, they will be inviting further sanctions. so this is a moment of test for everybody. >> so, mr. secretary, i want to clarify. originally we heard $150 billion and certainly not just from the wall street journal and myself, it's been reported 150, we saw 100 billion across news agencies across the world. you're saying the number is closer to 55 billion? >> that is correct. the number actually released by the lifting of the sanctions.

now, what some people may be doing is calculating something that may come from a business deal with airbus or a business deal with -- >> you're talking about calculating future deals perhaps? >> i think that is possible. but the actual money released, the treasury department and others have scoped that very carefully and they calculate it at $55 billion over a period of time. >> over a period of time. well, that's very good to know. mike barnicle. >> mr. secretary, how significant are the divisions within the iranian leadership and what degree of difficulty did those divisions, if they are significant, lead in terms of the prisoner release sp. >> everybody knows that the irgc opposed this agreement. the reason they opposed it is because they wanted the nuclear weapon, they wanted the nuclear umbrella, they wand their

program as robust as possible and they wanted to who willback. and everybody understand that there a tension and it is a tngs between those who want to, you know, play the revolutionary card and keep moving in a srn track and those who believe that iran will be better off rejoining the world, engaming in kmerts. that is why president obama spoke directly to the people of iran yesterday. we all have an opportunity here. whether it will happen or not, i kel tell you. i want to emphasize, this agreement was not calculated to solve all the problems with iran. this agreement was calculated to address a threat that the united states felt to ourselves and to the world about their production potential of a nuclear weapon.

so now we've addressed that. and i think we saw it with the sailors, who by the way inadvertently went into iranian waters. none of us appreciated what we saw on the video. it infuriated me as a former sailor, as a member of the military, but nevertheless, we were able to resolve that potential conflict. there were people in iran who made the argument they should have been held as hostages, that they should have been made into more of a trade. and it is to the enormous credit of the supreme leader that they understood this was better resolved -- that would not have happened if we hadn't made the the agreement.

>> i've been very critical flaut. and secondly, you know barnicle personally and you still chose to come on our show, which means red sox fans have to stick together. congratulations pip know this has been a kierless effort on your part. congratulations. >> well, thank you. you have a great so. there as a lot of good discussion here and i enjoy being on it. >> thank you so much. congratulations. we'll be right back. and i'm still struggling with my diabetes.

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somebody to run in a primary against president obama. >> 2008 i did my best to see that he was elected. and in 2012 i worked as hard as i could to see that he was reelected. >> your feelings toward president obama are a little strange given what you said about him in 011. >> good morning, everyone. >> do we really want to go back into the vault and see what people said about president obama standing up on that stage -- >> there were other moments that were quite strong. >> i just -- listen, i -- it's fine, it a fine thing to do if you have always supported president obama. but if you said the things about president obama that said about president obama but if you said the things about bill clinton that -- not only that, but the

whole tone of the debates. i want to know where we're going, not where are you going to take us. >> we were here in 2007 and 2008. we saw all the stories about the back and forth and the frk shun. >> you was surprised that senator sanders didn't go back at her with just that. >> he's so disciplined about not completely getting ugly. >> that was the fascinating this evening because the previous two or three she was able to look past everybody, talking about drm and mark o'malley made sure

he got in there. >> can i have 30 seconds, by the way? >> you may. with us, veteran columnist and contributor mike barnicle, the president of the council on foreign relation, richard haas and from north carolina, mark halperin. >> elements of a nuclear deal went into effect. new sanctions were put in place and five americans were freed from iranian captivity. after the released billions in iranian assets and opened opportunities trade. president obama reacted yesterday at the white house. >> this is a good day because once again we're seeing what's

possible with strong american moment ultimately that did not advance mrk as interest. as i've said many times, the nuclear deal was never intended to resolve all of our differences with iran but still, engaging directly with the iranian government on a sustained basis for the first time in decades health insurance created a unique opportunity, a. >> as the prs' those said to have been involved in iran's missile program. >> for decade your government's threats and actions to detablize your region have isolated iran.

you, especially young iranians, have the opportunity to begin building new ties with the porld. woo future that delivers progresses for our peeples and the wider world. we need to take advantage of that. >> speaking directly to the iranian pop, mr. haas, what do you make of that? >> the administration is caught in pr but then it goes back and forth on whether this is is will be and the there as a certain tension in the straight of position, a narrow nuclear agreement and a broader transformational break through. it can't quite decide. >> in kaes there was any doubt,

on saturday relearned the ransom price for these owes hostages. and they go on to say iran prn speedcall this operation queen sweep. >> fair or not by the wall street journal? >> not quite. the money was alonged to the nuclear deal. iran in the short run has done soming is can't reductions in but they're not go to pb parka

narrow nuclear deal so maybe. i don't know whether there was formal leaningor or formal along and. unless -- >> i'm with richard. >> you don't know why? >> well, there was a parallel process. wr wran. >> but the larger story enveloping all of this are the divisions within the iranian leadership. it was like skating on thin ice for two years. >> we're not dealing with "a" i go that as o" limit.

sh political leverside of the leadership. you have of political and religious authority and multiple season terse of authority and decision making so it's like no other country we deal with, probably the single most -- after north korea it might be thesongle most difficult country we deal with. >> it's fascinating the interplay between the sides. and actually, you get a sense that the guard, the revolutionary guard overreached when they seized the u.s. boat and they overreached when they violated againy a conventions by forcing them to do a hostage video. and in so doing gave rue tanny

and gave more of okay be did it's all alonged. and fools out there that write their little blogs, that think everything is naed and the lined up here and there. it's the number one because knows and they haven't for about a decade. >> i'm thrilled tho these americans are home. i think we have to be careful about the way our government is expressing their gratitude. they snatched -- >> this is the second time in a week that there has been -- >> that good things have

happened. >> good things have happened, applause for iran's hin us action. they get our troops. and then we're all like, oh, this is auch a great thing. it's the same thing with now they release a hostage after 500 days. why are we sitting back and saying this is a great thing? >> it a victory too to have this many, is in in. >> mike: you're not being harsh. the people who arrested on our side, they were smuggle, not -- they were doing their job as

journalist. >> there is a great debate here, which we're going to have but first let's bring in "the washington post"'s executive director live are lange toll toll eeg is free this morning after being pris prisoned in iran for 500 days. >> marty, this is great news. we all are saying things, thank go good. >> we're relieved that he was released. he's in the hospital. he's being treated, he's being evaluated. we had the opportunity last night to speak with him, douglas and i both had the chance to speak with mim separately. he sounded in good spirit and was eager for human contact and for the opportunity to see us and his brother, ali, o has

could how did you get the news on saturday? >> we had a heads up that something might be imminent. we had a telephone call on saturday morning when in geneva telling us that the release was about to happen. >> what can you tell us about jason's physical condition? has he told you how he was treated in prison over the last 544 days? >> he told doug in his phone call he felt lot better last night than he did 48 hours earlier of course. he told me that he hlt of course that will be private to him and

that happens he is family. we haven't had the opportunity to meet with him in person. we hope to be able to do that today. we'll knoll marty and doug as well, could you talk a bit about of the difficulty, if it was a degree of difficulty, of covering a story that you were so intimately involved with ton on so many levels. >> it not easy but being jason's priority were that -- they continue to reporting this wook that had given us the sense that a release might be coming and that we ought to get ourselves and our correspondent to europe.

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according to a new poll released before last night's debate. however, sands are continues to outperform clinton among younger voters. he lead clinton among voters under the age of 50 in this poll 49-44. and so last night the three democratic candidates for president faced off in their final debate before voting starts in iowa and new hampshire. in what was seen by many as an attempt to neutralize one of hillary clinton's attacks against him, bernie announced his back of legislation that will and then in last into's move, prrng. >> well, i think secretary clinton knows what he says is very disingenuous.

i had nine opinion virtually no gun control, i believe i am in an, lent position to bring team together. >> senator, you didn'tans the question, though. you did change your position on immunity for gun manufacturers. >> what ehave what i said is i will relack at, i am going to ream be i have made it clar based on senator sanders' own record that he has voted with the nra, with guner a day, that's 33,000 people a year, one of the most horrific examples, not a block from here where we

had nine people murdered. now, i am -- that senator sanders has reversed his position on immunity and i look forward to him joining with the members of congress who. >> in attacks like that against bernie sands are, coming from mmm f does that attack stek? >> well, it's the certainly the within place where she be been able to get a bead on him to right. because tpopular. she's try too found fchk he's

closing with myselfage. in and she faces some choices now. does she want to talk about guns, does she want to talk about health care? she is still trying to find a closing message. mc. >> did she do anything, mark, last night in the debate to stop that tomorrow. n this is the last debeat before iowa and dwrong she snachlt -- but see did not put the brakes on what is still not just sanders himself but a very confident sands are operation that fired up on the ground in iowa in a way that she's going to have to match. the mechanics of her team is very strong in iowa.

that will. >> willie geist, last night i had my popcorn, right, and schlitz mall in -- and is comes on, halperin, incredible. my position is this will change not only the way relook at poll tex, it will change the way we watch. have v, the way we eat, where we very case and and what survival seed i mean, this is an important show. >> do you feel that will traps tra the universe.

>> the gir ends began pnd -- hillary clinton invoked president obama's name again and again and again and she a. he says that's a misrepresentation of his position on health care. what is the strategy to heg. >> he's exeeding think bob lar, and, like i said, she's gol and more broadly than she has in a forum like this. that seems to be one of the things she wants to do. at the same time again, for all his popularity within the party, president obama represents the status quo. he's been in office and will have been in office for eight years. she's hugging him because she

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all morning we've been talking about the release of the americans being held in iran.

let's bring in the brother of waupt reporter jason rezian. at what point did you actually believe this day would come? >> the last couple days had been really tough. i downbelieve it was going to happen until he got on the airplane and the plane took off and it was out of iranian airspace. >> when did you first hear there was going to be the possibility of a deal that could bring your brother home after all of these months and years? >> never wanted to get our hopes up too high.

but the middle of the week it was starting to be reported certainly was going to happen. i didn't believe it until he was out. >> so have you seen him? what's the plan? how is he doing? what do you know? >> you know, i haven't seen him yet. i've spoken to him twice on the phone and as soon as i'm done with this interview, i'm going to go to the hospital and get to go see him because i just got a text. >> let us know! >> you've been fighting tirelessly for your brother to bring just to this situation. send him our best, please. >> thank you so much. you carried this forever.

>> wow, i just heard that. i would get off from behind the camera. >> he was a tireless, tireless fighter. >> he never gave up. so many things happening in the family with health problems because of the stress of this all, for this to be able to happen for them, i can't even imagine. >> with us now live from des moines, iowa, i just saw on a map, minus 11 degrees in des moines. yikes. so -- >> yeah. >> so you actually view the iran deal far differently than most of the other republicans in this race. tell us what you think about what just happened this weekend. >> you know, i think when something good happens, we ought to celebrate it. i think sometimes for partisan reasons politicians on both sides become sort of like wind-up dolls, and if the other side does something good, they

have to complain, no matter how good it is. i've been advocating for several years now, writing letters, introducing legislation, trying to get him reese least. i think he's a real here i don't -- hero. but saeed abedini is a hero. >> senator paul, off of what you're we're just saying now, is that where a big part of our politics is today? is that why you think you are a bit different from some of the other candidates on the stage in that they indicate automatic disagreement and disavow of anything that comes from president obama, even though what they know about it is what they, you and i, read in the

papers. >> right. >> i call that empty partisanship. have i my disagreements with the president and i voice them and also some of the things that i agree with. i work with ron widen on a daily basis in protecting privacy and the fourth amendment. i really don't see party labels stopping me. it's not that i'm not ideological, i'm very much conservative, very much for balanced budget but i'll work with other people who have similar ideas on certain subjects. >> tem us about the campaign since the last debate. you made the bold decision not to go on the earlier debate. all these days later, are were you glad you made that decision and how is the campaign moving forward now? >> i think it's not ever a good thing to be excluded from a debate but i think we made as much good about certainly that

wasn't a good situation. yesterday i'm in the headquarters in des moines, we have 75 to 100 young men and women making phone calls, they have made a half a million phone calls for me. so it just amazing how people glass over what's going on in a campaign because it's really easy to say oh, it's a one, two, three-person race because of polling but iowa can surprise a lot of people. only very few people show up to the caucuses. our goal is 10,000 students. i met with 22 leaders but we have to overcome the perception that's created by the media who i think dums us down when inreality everybody's got chance until the voting occurs. >> thanks so much for being with us.

>> up next, nick burns on the dramatic weekend in diplomacy. ♪ ♪

all right. the u.s. government is working to locate three americans in iraq amid reports they have been kidnapped. the state department confirms they are missing. it's been reported they've been taken by militias in baghdad. a state department spokesperson said they are working with iraqi authorities to locate and recover them. joining me nick burns, a professor at the harvard-kennedy cool of government and i'm on

goss called a who is wick gowool have the assurance they're not going to have a nuclear weapon for the next 10 or 15 years and we'll have accomplished that by negotiation. we didn't have to risk a war in the middle east. upon that alone i admire what the president and the second have done. it's not without. >> let's tell. who don't feel like the united states has been standing shoulder to shoulder with them since president obama became president of the united states. why am i wrong? >> you're not wrong. and here's the really difficult balancing act for the u.s.

we made our peace iran in we have a weak are relaease -- i think what they want to do now is strengthen the core relationships because the iranians are trying to punch into the heart of the sunni world if you think about what they're doing in iraq, syria, lebanon. and our partner need our self-. it's a power that's doing a lot of damage in the middle east. >> we just talked to the secretary of state who said he's heading to saudi arabia later this wook, which is rahal i' i've -- that the saudi reggie is in trouble, that there's a

possibility of it not surviving. now fragile is the situation prngs you know, i don't know if they're worried about survival butch the crown prince has taken most of the power into he is office. >>s defederal budget -- the king is not an operational figure running the government every day. but humid, the son -- he's prosecuting this very difficult, almost failed war in yes, ma'amen, a lot of people died there. i think that's what you're hearing, the die quiet in the

region. >> he's also talking about industrializing a lot of the industry. >> i mean, much of riyadh, i imagine, is extremely foil ab t about -- we've been reporting on it for some time now. in iran what's your sense of the 1979 set, the republican guard, scooping american sailors. open seas and the rats who are trying to drag the country into 21st century? >> i think if you look at the demographics, they favor the second point that up raise, which is there is a force -- 70%

at the at the aej of 35. they know the about. so they woont to have a more engag engagedand they want to push that country. the question is will that old guard allow for that younger, more open, more dynamic iranian population to come into america -- definitely. mott other parts of the region, they're much more educated, much more engaged, if you will, from their history. they have an extraordinary try to draw on in terms watch their role was and their place. that gives countries a very upon ent set.

>> so ambassador, i want to ask you a little bit about heads and the optics on that are horrible. how would you characterize that, the symbolism of that versus other developments? i've been trying to understand how bad that was it can hi. the mika, this is a double-edged sword we're dealing with. it was really objectionable that they released the video of american sailors trying to put their hand up seasoned the saudis, the israelis all over the middle east. and the really difficult part of

this is that we're going to have to try to push back against those guys and contain them in the middle east at the same time that we're implementing the nook clear dal. but there are two iranist government these tough anti-american revolutionaries. that's who they are. >> let me ask you, we talked about this earlier it seems to me that card yof -- making them do hostage videos is a violation of the geneva convention. >> right. >> i wonder if that didn't give rao hany and reformers the expr because there is a way that most

people in the west doesn't understand. >> rouhani think but the supreme lead ar are -- being kingmaker assad, putting iranian troops in to make a difference. i don't see that the power of the revolutionary guards has been diminished too much in that respect. they lost a battle, side is the revolutionary guards will get further money to cause mayhem. that's whats this this -- what

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remembering him in their own words. >> when they told me what had occurred, i couldn't believe it and i had to come see it in our own eyes. >> we're hurting. he was our friend as well as our colleague. >> ricky was an outstanding prn, an outstanding police officer. if you could mold a police officer, you would mold that police officer after ricky galvez. >> ricky galvez was one of 39 officers intentionally killed n last year. but we analyze the larger state of policing in this report. there are 698,000 law enforcement officers here. they had contact with 62 million people in a given year. if you look at the actual annual allegations of misconduct, not government data, but in 2010,

that was actions against 6,613. you find 99.1% of officers in a given year, not accused of know we talked to family members, we faukd to officers, we talked to union leader. but. we also look at these numbers that say day to day officers are not shooting their weapons, and they're also performing acts of incredible hero itch. -- those stories that we read about are absolutely legitimate and should be on page one. but you just referenced the number of police officers over

the course of their why are why so that is people who are out on the beat. they may be fired at. they may be in risky situations but they're not firing. i also spom to family members, the widow of keri orosco. she was about to go on maternity leave. the day before she was supposed to go on ma trnity leaves she was gunned down. those in the community said there's two sides of the story but most officers are honest and brave. i'm hearing that from the head encommunity. >> we're looking at fascinating developments in the bill cosby case. >> the former d.a., according to

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well, good day. at 9 a.m. eastern time on this holiday monday, we expect in to be an eventful day offer the breaking new front after an eventful holiday weekend thus far and that is on the political front domestically of course and also overseas on all things iran related. we had the implementation of the nuclear deal, we had the prisoner change, we also may have news out of iraq this morning. but let's start with the prisoner exchange aspect of this. keir simmons is