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politics. mark halperin and john heileman. well, singer-songwriter, guitarist, actor and co-founder of the eagles glen frey has died. glenn frey was raised in detroit and moved as a young man to california. he and his roommate jackson brown used to play and hang out at the troubador and become a part of the l.a. sound. before long glen frey was touring with linda rondstat's band. they found themselves recording in london with glen jones. they were on their way with their hits. >> jackson had this song called "takin' easy." he was stuck in the second

verse. i'm standing on a corner in winslow, arizona. so i filled in such a fine sight to see it's a girl in a flat bed slowing down to take a look at me. >> an incredible documentary on the eagles. the band hit their apex when they added joe walsh. "rolling stone" -- you look when they added joe walsh, actually, john heileman and that led, to of course, what's probably the album of the 1970s. at least the album that defines the heart of the 1970s, hotel california. glen frey, he defined american rock and roll and the like in the 1970s like nobody. >> like nobody. and defined a sound, you know, to what i was growing up in los angeles, california. that was the sound track of a

moment and a place that was the well spring and so much what defined american culture at that time. he wrote songs. you could make a long list of them that people would be singing and playing on their guitars until people stop sing and playing on guitars. >> i tweeted last night i wrote about 400 songs last night. 200 were influenced by that glen frey sound on "takin' easy." it was extraordinary hotel california and glen frey and the eagles defined a time and a place, los angeles in the mid-1970s. every bit as much and i say this -- i think no other artist, every about it as much as the be beatles defined london in the mid-'60s. they define an era and for

people waking up saying who was glen frey, glen frey was a guy that define an era of music in the mid-'70s. they were one of many bands but had to be the most influential. >> you think about again from that era, that place, the beach boys defined california music in the '60s. the eagles define california music for pretty much for two dates. those songs "peaceful easy feeling," "tequila sunrise," those are already pre-"hotel california." there was just a -- incredibly prolific. >> "hotel california," that came

relatively late. >> they already had three number one albums before that. you had jackson brown and linda ronstadt and gle frey was at the center of american music like nobody since. >> i went back and read the 1975 cover story about the eagles which is when cameron crow came out of high school. the eagles are the almost famous band but that captures exactly why you're saying they were the band of the 1970s. you know, they met together at the troubador. they were thrown together. they played together. they grew up together in music. there was a lot of in-fighting. they would stay up and write the best music in the history of rock and roll. >> sold more albums than anybody else in the 1970s.

a very long time. their greatest hits. the biggest selling album ever. 26 million, i think it was overtaken by thriller. here's something. i think it was in frey's own words. what makes the eagles so incredible, and we say good-bye to david bowie this week and all of these stars that us older guys grew up with from the '60s and the '70s, i think it was glen frey that said in the documentary we broke up and then suddenly they had like adult radio, like rock classic radio. he's like we were getting more air play when we got back together in '94 than we did in the 1970s. glen frey every where on the radio still today. >> stay this about a lot of the rock legends the eagles music is the music of our lives. it's the sound track of our

lives. >> takes to you a place that's still good to be. >> that '94 reunion you talked about. nobody wants to see us any more. they said trust me. walked out on the stage for the first show and 75,000 people were there. oh, i guess they do. >> they do. i saw a young producer of us say he saw the eagles in 2010. said one of the best he's seen. i want to talk quickly too about this band and glen frey and what made him. glen frey by all accounts, and i have somebody who is like a family member who is distantly related to him. and would tell me, she would always come back and tell me about him with his grandmom still at family reunions in pennsylvania over the last couple of years. what was he like? what was he like?

this is like, you know, i mean paul mccarthy and neil young. what's he like? she's like he's glen. you know what? from the time and he was young kid he was always her favorite, such a sweet boy. and that's kind of -- here's a guy who was born in the middle of the century, born in the middle of america, born in the middle of detroit's explosion when they were the center of the world, his mom baked apple pies for gm, his dad was an auto worker for gm, he learned piano at 5. he quit playing piano because that could get you beaten up in high school. picked up the guitar. saw the beatles play. he was this quintessential guy, sweet guy. mix him with don henly who is just, just -- >> not the sweetest guy.

>> don henly is an angry guy, a malcontents in all the beautiful ways you want your artist to be and that combination is what created this extraordinary band. and this insane drive for perfection that you saw in that amazing eagles documentary. >> if you listen to what don henly has said justin last day or so about glen frey, he's a guy with an enormous ego and he said glen frey was the captain of the shich, i was fort worth mate. people give more credit to don henly than frey. if they were not co-equal, frey was the driving force of the eagles. >> glen frey had numerous health problems ultimately dying of pneumonia. he was 67 years old. young. great conversation. we got to get to politics. new polling on the democratic side that's putting this primary season change versus experience battle into clearer focus.

our nbc news "wall street journal" poll reveals 55% of democrats prefer experience in their candidate while 40% say it's changed they prefer. among all voters 61% say they prefer change. among democrats who want experience out of a candidate, hillary clinton beats bernie sanders 77-19. among democrats who want change sanders is on top 52-39. the continuity first revolution theme was on full display during sunday night's debate with clinton tying herself to president obama. senator sanders took on that strategy yesterday before doubling down on a line of attack that he used during the debate. >> senator, do you think secretary clinton hid behind president obama last night? >> you might say that. look, at the end of the day how much our improved economy today is compared to when bush left

office when we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the only way you don't see that is when you're very partisan. we've made good progress. but as candidate we need to stand on our own two feet. what i have tried to do from day one is run an issue oriented campaign and the reason you run is to show the differences of opinion you have with your opponents, hillary clinton and i have differences of opinion. it's called democracy. i'm not into personal attacks and mean-spirited acts. >> last night you brought up -- >> she's received $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs. if that's not true i'll apologize. it's true. >> well, i mean is that an attack or a fact? both leading democratic candidates were in south carolina yesterday at a ceremony at the state capital

commemorating martin luther king jr. from there sanders traveled to birmingham, alabama where he addressed an overflow crowd of about 7,000. while clinton headed to iowa. where she pitched a quote sensible -- >> what's in alabama? we hear sanders is weak in the south. that doesn't look weak to me. it sound one more narrative. >> what was clinton's crowd? >> maybe he'll win iowa because they are crazy department populists and they love socialists but he won't win the south. he has 7,000 people in birmingham. john heileman this is like the trump stories we have been hearing. "new york times" has donald trump at number 14. you just kind of wonder. you look at that crowd in birmingham and you go wait a second, oh, that's where he's weak? >> this is incredible. >> i would hate to see where

bernie sanders is strong. >> to put a finer point on that there's a lot of african-americans in that crowd. the hillary clinton crowd says sanders can win in all white iowa all white new hampshire but clinton's strength with hispanic and african-american voters make it difficult for him to win in diverse states. it's true she's stronger with those voters than he is. he has no inroads with that community and the idea he could get greater inroads in those communities is just wrong. >> you were talking to michele obama, one of the great frustrations of the obama campaign is they weren't doing well with black voters and hispanics. and michele obama told you just wait. so people thinking everything is static and -- this is game on. >> i can't believe that. that could have been a trump rally if you didn't look closely. >> trump would have told you he would get twice.

>> clinton was in toledo, iowa and spoke briefly there. >> i don't want to over promise. i don't want to come out with theories and concepts that may or may not be possible. we don't need any more of that. what we need is a sensible achievable agenda where we roll up our sleeves and work together. >> as many of you know we began this campaign about nine months ago and when we began we were 50 points behind. we were 50 points behind the inevitable, inevitable democratic nominee. well guess what? that inevitable candidate ain't so inevitable today. [ cheers and applause ] >> today! today!

willie, that's a good thing. the contrast between bernie's crowds and -- >> like crickets in there. >> and hillary's crowd. >> each candidate on each side that looks unprecedented. barack obama had big crowds. bernie sanders these are rallies, these are not events where people are staged and roped in. we know how these things work. if he wins iowa, wins new hampshire all betts are off. she still has a big 25-point national lead. she has advantages in certain demographics. if he does those two first states watch out. >> you see him believing it. >> he's so confident. i ran into him yesterday in columbia and i say this advisedly he was in a good mood. >> bernie sanders good mood or

good mood for normal people? >> he's confident. his operation is confident that they still that have momentum. they left that debate and they both spoke at the martin luther king event and he's not intimidated by her and he's confident that his message has resonance. she has ton of advantages and shouldn't think of this as sanders as the favorite. he's still the underdog but confidence is so important and he has it now. >> the nbc news survey monkey weekly online tracking poll south with new numbers this hour on the republican side. it finds last thursday's debate changed little in the republican race with donald trump at 38% and ted cruz 17 points behind at 21%. marco rubio at 11% and ben carson at 8. >> look at trump and cruz two people unacceptable to the gop getting six and ten support. >> trump building momentum in

the south primary, trump is 14 points ahead of cruz at 18%. jeb climbing to 13%. passing rubio at 11%. >> i want to hold here for one second and we'll see this in florida. i'm not sure about georgia. notice donald trump light years ahead, picking up plus four, cruz losing momentum and then look at jeb bush. which you'll see also in florida. jeb bush on the move. i'm not saying -- i'm not saying he's going to pick up trump but jeb bush in this poll and in the florida poll, mark halperin which we'll get to in a second is suddenly going from 2%, 3%, 4% to 11%, 12% now 13% and in second place in that establishment lane and picking up support. >> i've never written off jeb bush. who has shown the smartest political instincts in america this last year. donald trump.

who does donald trump continue to attack? jeb bush. why does he continue? because i think he agrees with me that jeb bush remains potentially besides ted cruz the biggest threat to donald trump being the nominee. >> in georgia trump is ahead by 10 points. 33% to ted cruz's 23%. the defender narrowing a 19 point gap. in florida -- >> wait. this poll is important. go back to georgia for one second because john heileman you get outside the early states, and it's trump and cruz and nobody else. everybody else in single digits. you see those in -- i haven't seen the latest massachusetts polls. you see these polls that aren't in iowa or new hampshire and the establishment candidates are all reduced to nothing. >> this is the big challenge for these republican establishment candidates if donald trump and ted cruz, one between in iowa and donald trump and ted cruz

could be one and two in new hampshire, how do they get media oxygen if other candidates. third place matters but if those two guys come in number one and two in some order in iowa and new hampshire focus of the mainstream media will be so much on trump, cruz, trump cruz, trump cruz. how do they -- where do they get traction after that when everyone is focused on those other two guys. >> mika another trend. you look at this last poll the georgia poll. marco was down -- marco was down three points in the first poll we showed from south carolina. he was down four points in the georgia poll and now we go to na. >> new survey shows trump with 12-point lead over cruz. bush and rubor in a tight battle for third place on their home turnover. that's painful. >> once again jeb bush moving i think he was behind marco before

in the last poll we saw. very close. neck and neck. look at trend lines in politics and jeb bush's camp got to like the fact that they are at least starting to move forward in the establishment lane. >> four establishment candidates, kasich, bush, rubio and christie and all four of them at this point could make the claim to be the alternative. former bush adviceor has a piece saying our party can't nominate cruz or trump we need somebody else. he doesn't say who that somebody is. >> the headline -- we're talking about the wild card right now. who can get the wild card berth. donald trump is so far ahead in every one of these polls. massively ahead. let's just state the obvious. >> number one seed. >> he's the number one seed. number one undefeated. let's just state the obvious. if it were any other candidate but donald trump right now the mainstream media would have called this race over.

>> yeah. >> say it's a tko the fight is over. trump is destroying everybody outside of iowa. >> and has been for six, seven, eight months. >> the "new york times" some of that interactive. >> you're right on that race for the wild card berth. the new hampshire poll it could be any one of a cluster of those people. jeb bush, chris christie and marco rubio a whole group that hopes to hang around enough to steal that lane. trump is trying to win iowa. he's there today. he's gone being many times. he's not conceding iowa. >> that cruz-trump battle, oh, my god, detente. >> i saw an article at the "new york" magazine ted cruz had to applaud at trump's new york

thing and the writer showed the simpson's clip said watch this is where you can literally see ralph's heart ripping his chest. >> to me that was one of the classic moments of the deaf bait cruz attacking values and trump come back and had no choice but to applaud that attack. he was put in his place. >> there's a state of emergency in flint, michigan. governor rick snyder, being called his hurricane katrina which is a horrific situation. he done disagree. still ahead on "morning joe," senator lindsey graham sounds off on the presidential race just days after he endorsed jeb bush. plus former defense secretary robert gates on the u.s. strategy against isis. also ahead donald trump has been talking about banning people but now the shoe is on the other foot. >> his words are not comical.

his words are not funny. his words are poisonous. is this the kind of man we want in our country? >> you're talking about a candidate for the presidency of the united states. it's up to the american people to decide whether his views are objectionable, not you guys. >> are they debating that? they are. >> we have lots of more of that. >> their version of freedom debate. >> british lawmakers debate banning donald trump from there country. we'll have more from parliament ahead. you're watching "morning joe." "♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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yesterday donald trump spoke at liberty university in lynchburg, virginia where he softened his tone but still mixing in a few mild swear words. attempted to quote scripture and got a ringi ining skbor ining e. >> my father was criticized for supporting ronald reagan or jimmy carter because ronald reagan was a hollywood actor who

was divorced and remarried and jimmy carter was a southern baptist sunday school teacher. my father replied that jesus point pd oed out we're all sinn but while jesus didn't tell us who to vote us he gave us common sense to choose the best leaders. dan explained when he walked into the voting booth he wasn't electing a sunday school teacher or pastor. jimmy carter was a good sunday school teacher but look what happened to our nation with him in the presidency. sorry. >> wow. this is -- get those teleprompters out of here we're going to have some fun. right? get those teleprompter. >> it's an honor to be here and especially on martin luther king day, we broke the record. you know we had the record for about three or four years the last time. and the first thing i said to jerry and becky when i got here,

did we break the record. they said yes you did by quite a bit. we'll dedicate that to martin luther king a great man and that's a little bit of an achievement, i'll tell you. one of the people i'm running against, i won't use names because we don't want to insult anybody and this is really such nice religious people i love it. such great christians. i can't say bad. am i allowed to say bad in this room? no. okay. we're going to protect christianity. i can say that. i don't have to be politically correct. we're going to protect it. you know, i asked jerry and i asked some of the folks because i hear this is a major theme right here, but the 2 corinthians, 3:17 that's the whole ball game where the spirit of the lord, right, where the spirit of the lord is there is liberty. here there is liberty college

but liberty university but it is so true. >> well, so anyway that happened. so "new york times" article, i'm going to talk about something here. trump evangelicals are judging not actually trump is getting stronger among evangelicals in polls over the last several weeks. they are noticing. it brings up a point, did donald trump go to southern baptist churches for four days a week -- probably not. 2 corinthians. this is what i found. i talked a little bit about this before. majority of people that voted for people among -- well people at trump rallies and

evangelicals. it's very interesting when i spoke in churches i said, i would always say don't vote for me because i'm the best christian, i'm not. i'm the worst. but i understand you. i share your values. i share your world view. and i will fight for you. you know, i said vote for me not because you think i'm a good christian. vote for me because you believe what i believe. and i heard the same thing time and time and time again. people coming up to me. like somebody said in this article, willie. you know what? god can worry about his personal life. i want somebody that's going to fight for my values and defend my values. so, no. he done know what 2 corinthians but what they do here is donald trump saying christianity is under attack. >> look at this headline. >> i'm going to fight for them.

a man of strength. >> with trump evangelicals. >> a man of strength. they know donald trump a guy that will go around saying merry christmas. they know trump will fight information. guess what? they are very evangelical, very astute voters. >> numbers show it. he's leading with evangelicals. not a guy who most of us that watch us consider an convenient gal cal himself. he says he has a great relationship with god. he knows how to push those buttons. if you watch that speech he talked about the merry christmas thing. that's a defense of christianity. i'll help you pull back. you feel the country is slipping away your values are slipping away i'll help you pull them back in. >> there was a debate yesterday in the british house of commons on barring donald trump from the uk in response to his controversial comments about

muslims. under british law any petition supported by 100,000 or more people is considered for parliamentary debate. the petition to ban trump received 570,000 signatures so yesterday the arguments for the ban and against it were heard. >> in the current climate isis needs donald trump and donald trump needs isis. just think what would happen in the current climate if he came to birmingham, to london, to glasgow and preached that message of divisive hate. i don't think donald trump should be allowed within 1,000 miles of our shore. >> we have to be understand the possibility this ridiculous individual mr. trump may be -- [ laughter ] -- may be elected as president of the united states. in that event would such a ban be overturned since if it was

not it would be one mighty snob to the american citizens to which he has been referring. >> i'm sure you're absolutely right and the great difficulty that we're in is in showing disrespect for mr. trump it might well be interpreted by supporters and others in america as showing disrespect to the american nation. this is not what we're saying. this is one individual that's involved in this. but could i put it to the committee that the great danger by attacking this one man is that we can fix on him a halo of victimhood, give him the role of martyrdom which concede to be an advantage among those that support him. >> i've heard a number of cases where people have been excluded for incitement, hatred. i've never heard one for stupidity. i'm not sure we should be starting now.

>> his policy to close borders if he's elected as president is bonkers and if he met one of my constituents in one of the many excellent pubs in my constituency they may well tell him he's a wazik. >> they have made him a martyr. donald trump watches this because he watches our shofrry morning. third company not be happier they are doing this. one other thing. none of those members of parliament want donald in their district because if donald went in their district he would draw ten times the crowd of any of temple. >> ten time? >> ten times. hundred times. a thousand times. and what is happening in america with donald trump is happening ten times as much in great britain as angela merkel's

gamble on refugees is a failed bet. it's politically. >> comforting to know there are other legislator, national legislators in advance -- >> as worthless as ours. >> filled with clowns like ours. >> by the way, we're going to be playing part of ivanka trump's new ad. she did one. we'll play that later on. >> good. spoke in a british accent? >> no it's not in a british accent. she doesn't talk policy. it's beautiful. she has kind of a strategy with that. coming up a scandal unfolding in michigan, more national guard members called into flint as lead contaminates the water supply. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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handling of hurricane katrina. >> mike barnacle, it does remind us of katrina where water had to be shipped in into parts of mississippi and louisiana. this is an absolute disaster and how it happens in 2015 is beyond me. >> this is an american city of 100,000 people. this has been going on for nearly a year. this is going to result in hundreds of young children being lead poisoned and carrying lead poisoning throughout their lives because of government's inability to take care of a simple delivery problem, clean water. >> i don't understand how did this happen in flint, michigan? we always have heard from conservatives that the epa is heavy handed and overreaches, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. how did this happen in america in 2016? >> well ron fornier's piece in the washington journal points out the complexity of it but

it's quite simple. it's failure of being able to deliver a basic service opinion flint and you realize it's taken this long for the problem to be addre addressed. you think if this happened in grosse point this situation would have been solved overnight. >> where were the city council people. they were all fumbling around. >> the governor. the state legislator. the epa. the federal government. >> where was the federal government? >> missing in action. >> where was everybody a? >> mia. >> that's what i said about katrina. if the disaster in new orleans had happened in the suburbs of dallas, oh, my god, the white suburbs of dallas, oh, my god, it would have been taken care of immediately. and this is something that you see all the time, that environmental disasters in

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what do we pay the environmental protection agency for? i don't know what the state environmental agencies are like in michigan either but i can tell you in florida we have layer upon layer upon layer of environmental protections. what happened? where is the federal government, where is the state government, where is the local government? >> the question is out there. let's build around it. follow the story and do more now and tomorrow. we'll set up a segment. >> we'll be right back. is your head so congested it's ready to explode?

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buzz feed and the bbc reporting tennis officials have failed to deal with widespread corruption saying at least 16 players all ranked in the top 50 have fixed matches losing for money. >> this is a problem across the depth and breadth of the game. it's happening at all levels. >> reporter: the bomb shell report says eight of the suspected players are now competing in the australian open. some of the accused grand slam winners. roger federer said it's time to name names. reaction from serena williams. >> i can only answer for me. i play very hard and every player i play seems to play hard. >> reporter: the allegations are based on leaked documents, showing match fixing by russia and italy uncovered in 2007. it's the same year the world's best player novak djokovic said members of his team were approached about throwing a

match. the sports top officials are accused of ignoring the claims. >> the tennis authorities absolutely reject any suggestion that evidence of match fixing has been suppressed for any reason or isn't being thoroughly investigated. >> reporter: in australia it's not just players taking center court so are questions of corruption. >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> we saw video there of djokovic at the end. he said yesterday oh, yeah i was offered $200,000 one time to throw a match. indirectly he was offered through his people. he said this is happening. >> have you ever heard of that? >> no. >> based on tour investigation 16 of the top 50 players have fixed matches? who are they? >> that's the question. that's what roger federer said let's names. let's get them out of the name. >> now they are all under spig. >> so many of them are playing

the australian open. >> have you ever heard of that? >> no. >> i'm surprised because i think we all grew up, unlike soccer, we all grew up with tennis. watching it. fourth of july wimbledon is in the background. i'm just saying on tv. >> absolutely. >> i'm not talking about playing it. certainly a lot more of our fabric of just sort of background. labor day, u.s. open, wimbledon. yet we hear so much about the fifa fixing. i'm surprised. the "daily news" is doing it. that's amazing story. >> buzz feed and bbc are saying they have not identified the player or players suspected of match fixing because they haven't definitively linked them to gamblers but they will keep digging and looking at phone records and bank accounts. when they do we may hear of a

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holiday cheer. >> jerry, you're reaching. >> he was such a believable actor too. of course "miami vice" stuff. a great scene believe it or not that was glenn frey in "jerry mcguire." after the eagles broke up he tried his hand at acting. appeared on "miami vice" and the great glenn frey passed away yesterday at the age of 67. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's tuesday, january 19th. managing editor of bloomberg politics john heileman along with mike barnacle and joining the table write are for "new york times" went msnbc contributor and editor of the fix at the "the washington post" and pulitzer prize associate editor of the "the washington post" bob woodward. also the author of the book the last of the president's men. good to have you on. >> so we talked a good bit at

the top of 6:00 and we'll do it at the top of 8:00 about the passing of glenn frey. just let's touch on it quickly here and do it later on. john heileman, as we were saying before, glenn frey, it was his band. as don't henly said. they were equal. what i'm saying as far as like, you ask don henly again, not a warm and fuzzy guy. he said it was always his band. >> glen was the captain. glen was the captain i was the first mate. >> henly is extraordinary. those two guys together created a band that, again, defined a moment in time in rock and roll and moved the center of rock and roll to l.a. every bit as the beatles moved rock and roll a decade earlier to london. >> there was a group of people around those guys, playing at the troubador. glenn frey working with jackson

brown, hanging out with linda ronstadt. >> they were linda ronstadt's band. >> at the very beginning. they wrote music as much as the beach boys defined the california sound in the '60s the eagles defined the california sound in the '70s and well into the 1980s. they were massive selling band. they sold as many records as any group in that era. and, if you think about that series of songs glenn frey wrote, takin' it easy, even before "hotel california," those are songs people will be playing on guitars and singing around on porches and camp fires for as long as there's pomps and camp fires. >> first three cords of "takin' easy," define the sound, define a time, define radio, defined music in the 1970s.

>> absolutely. or think about three chords of hot"hotel california." when that sound comes troon it sends a haunting chill through your body because you know what you're in for. these people sold 29 million albums. for an american band they are as good as it gets in terms of selling records and i said it the last hour read the cover story in "rolling stone" if you want to capture american music. >> glenn frey wrote the lyrics to "hotel california." it's amazing. i heard so many stories over the past 30 years from immigrants, from soldiers that have gone overseas, that the introduction for a lot of people in english would pull soldiers aside and ask them like what are the words to "hotel california." i've heard that story retold 30

different times about those words, some of the most iconic words worldwide. >> it's a dark song to get an introduction into american culture. >> we'll have alex on a little bit later on who has an incredible documentary on the band. so that will being a great coming up here on "morning joe." now politics the battle for the heart of the democratic party was on full display during sunday night's debate with hillary clinton tying herself to president obama. senator bernie sanders took on that strategy yesterday before doubling down on a line of attack that he used during the debate. >> do you think secretary clinton hid behind president obama last night? >> you might say that. at the end of the day how much our improved our economy today is compared to when bush left office when we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the only way you don't see that is if you're very, very

partisan. we made some good progress. what we got to do as candidates is stand on our own two feet. what i have tried to do from day one is to run an issue oriented campaign. and the reason you run is to show the differences of opinion you have with your opponents, hillary clinton and i have differences of opinion. it's called democracy. i'm not into personal attacks and mean-spirited acts. >> last night you brought up her speaking fees. do you feel it's not a an take. >> it's fact. anyone disagree with me? she received $600,000 in one year as speaking fees from goldman sachs. if that's not true i'll apologize. it's true. >> it's true. >> it's kind of that -- i thought that actually during the debate that was a brilliant moment when he talked about the speaking fees but then moved on the $5 billion in fines that the company received for breaking the law while young teens with marijuana in their pockets go to jail. the circle i life that the

middle class and people who are suffering in this country are living under and are tired of. he nailed it in 20 seconds or less. >> bob woodward it's interesting a lot of people that are supporting donald trump this year always go back to the fact that he can't be bought. nobody -- he talks about how corrupt the system is, says i was part of a corrupt system but you can't buy me because i got my own money. you know when bernie sanders starts talking about goldman sachs giving hillary clinton $600,000 to give a speech, that has to ring a bell or two among democratic voters. >> it definitely does, and during the debate they had the camera on hillary clinton, and you could just see she was furious. she was angry that he had raised that and, of course, what he's done is he's got a theory of the

case. the system is rigged. hillary clinton is in a way a part it. and, you know, i think that resonates with people. it was a powerful message. now whether it's going to take with everyone obviously we'll see. but as a campaign presentation it had an impact. >> it will have an impact on the race i have a prediction but the difference here between trump and sand serious trump can't be bought, he doesn't need them and people love that. bernie sanders won't be bought. he won't be bought. he's been around for a long time. he's proven that. there is nothing that people don't believe about the fact that he will not come what may be bought. and i think hillary clinton is going to have to respond to that if things get ugly or get really, really close. i really think she will have to create some sort of alliance with elizabeth warren and i even

see her on the ticket. i do. i know it sounds crazy. >> you've written some incredible stories this year so far about how a handful of families dominate american politics. and story after story after story after story after story that you've written talks about the corrupting influence of money and politics and along comes bernie sanders who single-handedly undercuts so much of what we all believe. done undercut your reporting which is freighteni jebrighteni the last quarter raises over $30 million his average donation is $27. that guy can't be bought. average. can you try to put in context how unbelievable that is in 2016? >> absolutely. look, forget the average for a second. his contributions for the most part are coming in less than

$200 increments. something like 80%, 90% of his contributions coming from people giving less than $200. your average mainstream candidate, right, is raising 20%, 25% or 30% of money that small. the rest coming from big don't no, lobbyists. what trump and sanders have in common is not relying on that crowd. almost all of their money is coming from people who are putting in a few cents at a time, a few dollars at a time. >> those are vote sneerps unseen in american politics so far. >> we've talked about the built in advantages that hillary clinton of course has in terms of money and she has a 25-point national lead but things are tight, obviously in iowa and bernie sanders has a lead in new hampshire. do you see the dynamic between them shifting at all? in the last week you've seen hillary clinton go after him on health care, go after him on guns once again, really ramping

that up. it's clear she views him more of a threat today than even a few weeks ago? >> look, willie, forget about sanders look how hillary clinton has related to barack obama. go back to last fall i'm not running for a third term of barack obama, i'm not running for a third term of my husband i'm running for my first term. on sunday she said vote for me because i'm like obama and this guy over here isn't. that tells you everything you need to know. they know they have a problem. to mika's point the issue is can they fix it? she still has vast, as you know, vast institutional advantages that we don't always talk about that go well beyond sort of her appeal to hispanic and black voters but just well organized in a lot of these states won't be caught flat footed like they were the last time. but passion, organic energy these are things that matter a lot. when you're getting $25 -- your

average cribs is $27 and you're bernie sanders and that speaks to something hillary clinton can't get. >> you're talking about the point. she cannot fix it on this message. she can't. >> right. >> she doesn't have the consistency and she doesn't that have message. she does not own the message. she's trying to buy it. she will have to buy it. she has to get it from somebody. >> the question is, i agree. elizabeth warren thing makes sense if that's how you sort of co-opt that message. i think she's likely to do so but this idea she can lose iowa and new hampshire and still be fine i want seems to me just as plausible that scenario would set up a massive panic among the democratic establishment as everyone would say oh, no that will be just fine. >> would you see a massive shift in the polls, south carolina beyond. john heileman, when i first started running nobody gave me

money. i couldn't get big donors, john heileman. a guy told me who had been in politics for a very long time don't worry about it. if they give you a thousand dollars, $2,000 they write the check and go off. if they give you $25 and hurts a little bit they will follow you through the gates of hell to help you win. you look at those crowds for bernie sanders, it's all connected. $27 a donation. they come out because they want -- they know that with his $27 per donor, they know that he's not going back stage talking to people that really matter to him. the people that really matter him to are the ones in front of the microphone. >> you know, couple of thing to say. one is just on this question and this goes mika's point about not

being bought. there's this little thing that came out from this "time" magazine interview over the weekend. it's out there in the world now. sanders telling "time" magazine he's never owned a tuxedo. what would you do when you host dinners. i've he never worn a tuxedo. >> a lot of people in america that sounds like a normal person. i think that's the kind of thing in terms of authenticity people hear that and there's this resonance to it. other thing to go to chris' point about institutional advantage that hillary clinton has i was stunned to read in nick's paper this story that says that the clinton campaign, according not to somebody in the campaign an estimate provided by a person with direct knowledge saying the campaign denies this is true. the 90% of the clinton campaign resources right now are split between iowa and the brooklyn

headquarters. the story is about how they are not that well prepared beyond the early states and that they are not -- they pulled a lot of people in beyond iowa and new hampshire and pulled those people back and focus their resources on knocking out sanders in iowa. they are trying to dale this knock out blow to sanders in iowa. again it's like 2008 where they kept pushing the chips on the table in iowa and when they lost in iowa they found out it was going a longer race. >> why? they know the vermont senator is going to outperform in new hampshire next door and they know it's going to be hard for them to with stand a loss in iowa and new hampshire without getting absolutely pounded. bob woodward, we've seen this before. i mean we don't know how the story ends but sure sounds a lot like 2007 going into 2008. and i'm just curious to get your

perspective on what you see this year compared to 2008 and whether hillary clinton who has been in the game and you have been reporting on her for 30, 40 years, whether hillary clinton is a better candidate today than she was, you know, a decade or two ago or whether she's getting worse on the trail? >> well that's a good question. and we always talk about the rationale for the candidacy and bernie sanders definitely has one. the column in "the washington post" today, richard cohen makes the point that hillary is talking about she has a plan. she will do this. and that is not enough of a rationale for the candidacy. so, you know, we'll see. there's always this bounce, everyone who has covered this knows what happens in iowa and new hampshire does not necessarily determine what's

going to happen in the other primary states because they come very fast and it moves into areas which may not be as favorable to the renegade independent candidates not just like sanders but trump. so we're going to have to see. look, the question i had in watching the democratic debate was how are people going to feel about hillary clinton? and there was something hesitant almost about her. there was not that emphatic, i am here to do this. she was not able to make that emotional engagement. it was about plans. it was this kind of wonky stuff and then bernie sanders would come on and say hey look, i'm telling you it's the campaign finance system which is corrupt, it's rigged against you and

that's very appealing. >> all right. so yesterday donald trump spoke at liberty university in lynchburg, virginia where he softened his tone but still mixing in a few mild swear words. later in the day he switched up his stump speech in new hampshire bringing up his daughter and her husband on stage. >> i have my daughter ivanka. come on. i have my daughter ivanka here. >> i'm so incredibly proud of my father. this is so much fun for me to be here, to hear your enthusiasm, to share your enthusiasm, and i know this man will make america great again. so it is an honor. thank you, new hampshire. >> ivanka cut a new radio ad for her father that will soon be airing in iowa and new hampshire. >> my father is a man who is deeply grounded in tradition. he raised my siblings and me to work hard and strive for excellence in all we do. he taught us to inspire and gain

respect in life and in business you have to earn it. he's done just that over decades. and achieved success at the highest level across multiple industries. he's ememployed tens of thousands of people and inspired them to achieve great things. countless times i've watched my dad make deals that seemed impossible to get done. as president my father will keep his word. he'll never quit fighting for this country and its future. >> interesting there the strategy, i think i see is very much talking about her dad. and using the word dad. and speaking as a daughter which i think is smart. she can do a lot of other things. she's a very intelligent woman. personalizing him in this way is something only the kids can do. mike barnacle what do you think >> that's a very appealing ad. the entire conversation in the past 12, 13 minutes, you know this might be the year that provides us with a more insightful look into the american psyche than any other

political year since 196, the sprichk 1968 if you think about it. 15 years of war. 15 years of wage stagnation interrupted by a year of total economic collapse and people wandering around angry, frustrated thinking nothing works. it's easy-to-understand the anger. to bob woodward's very valid point when you see hillary clinton despite her accomplishments during the course of her career, there's a weariness. you can sense a weariness of some voters towards her and a weariness from her, weariness towards the public and towards the media. there's an emotional distance between hillary clinton and the crowds that she approaches soliciting votes. she's a terrific candidate. i don't believe she's not. but there's something going on there that people are a bit restrained. >> you know, i just wonder whether it's decades of being beaten up in the media and being

at war in the media. i can go through most candidates and give you -- i know you can too, five, six, seven eight moments in the campaign that stick out. hillary clinton, if i'm really being honest i can think of one and that's when she talked about love, being what mattered the most to her and at the end of the day everything else is just details and then she pauses and says and it's hard. you get a sense in that one moment you get a glimpse into hillary clinton's heart and it's really moving. i haven't seen that this campaign. she seems even more reserved, even more calculated. >> the weariness is the right word. >> more market driven, more poll tested, even more focus group than she was in 2008. and i just wonder if it's all the years of fighting and whether the battle is moving into this campaign might have

just put up that last wall? >> well, remember, 2007-2008 what's the most memorable moment from that campaign. new hampshire where she says, i'm doing this because i really care. and the same kind of sentiment, joe, it's hard. i think the difficult thing for her and the "new york times" had a great tweet and i put in a column of mine she's arguing for she's is the status queue. she's arguing for continuity when at a time pep want disruption. that's true in the democratic party and the republican party and that's trump as well. it's hard to thing pragmatic status quo person when people wants change. she will never be the candidate of radical change in this race. she says i want to do this and bernie sanders not quote, but bernie sanders we're doomed. he has the passion.

he has the energy happen she doesn't have. >> also, mika, when bernie sanders says the system is rigged, he can say the system is rigged just to be honest because he wasn't paid $600,000 by goldman sachs to give a speech, and that is the underlying problem at the end of the day as ron fornier has said. the clinton foundation and all the millions and tens -- everything swirling around. even if it's all done legitimately and above board, that debate asaid to they can't say t say the system is rigged. because they are the system. >> they are the system. and she's going to have to do something, say something, mean something that shows she can take on the system and fix it. i just don't know what that is beyond what i already mentioned.

>> both the roosevelts, both the roosevelts were part of the system and both of them took on the system. and changed the system in dramatic ways. it can to be done. bob woodward, chris, thank you so much. >> pat's statements about how unfair all it is ain't going to do it. just not. >> they are calling it the greatest political show on earth. remember mark mckennan the third member joins us next. >> senator lindsey graham joins us on set. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. just switch to walgreens for savings

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john mccain not normally one to weigh in on constitutional issues he said he thought there was a difference on being eligible for president. no judge weighed anthony. is john mccain right? >> it's not surprising, mark, that political opponent whose are worried about our surging support among conservatives are

trying muddy the water and i think the judgment that the voter are making right now is who has the strength' resolve to lead this country at a time of great peril. >> senator, thank you. appreciate the time. >> so, senator, this is corn in it. >> can you describe what you're seeing. >> typical kaleidoscope. so have we convinced you. are you voting in the republican caucus? >> i won't be caucusing but i'll be watching. >> that was a look at the new showtime show "the circus." mark mckennan is here and washington correspondent david brody and other two members of the circus. you were talking about glenn frey, of course, a musician for a very long time.

you said it was the sound track of your life. >> i ran away from home to go play music in 1972. i remember takin easy was playing. beatles were a big influence. in the '70s totally eagles, jackson brown co-writer of takin easy. >> you two should do that at java joes. >> we'll get a group of guys together. >> bring your guitar. >> so, tell me about the circus. >> it's really exciting nuclear program is something i've been thinking about for 14 years. being in presidential campaigns so much goes on behind the scenes that most voters don't get see. fascinating drama of characters that's really interesting. we thought that it would be just incredible if you could get behind-the-scenes, show some of that drama and character and what happens. but also to do it in real-time. that was key.

to roll it up so it's topical and timely. >> i said to mark yesterday, this is like what you see at the end of the campaign. >> usually you see it six months after. >> exactly. i said after this, i was kind of thinking about episodes of the first "madmen." >> it's a high wire act. we want to bring the campaign to people every sunday night at 8:00 in a way that mark said had never been done before. documentary style. high quality production but telling the story what happened that weekend projecting forward to what's going to happen next. >> as immersed i am in this process and you're showing the scene right here. john heileman when the camera is right behind bernie sanders as they are introducing him and like a rock star being introduced you feel like you are walking right behind bernie sanders. it sound pat but it's the truth. it puts you right there in the

center of the action. >> there's some very intimate personal episodes but in the trump rally and sanders rally, they are both in their respective parties putting on these events with high energy, huge crowds, we thought in addition to going small and we show the big scale and you do see it. unless you have been to a trump or sanders rally you've not seen images on television of a sense of what it's like. >> trump sat down with you and talked about why he would be a better president for evangelicals than even ted cruz. let's take a look at that. >> he didn't read the bible every day seventh days a week but and he was great president and he was a great president for christianity. and, frankly, i would say that i will be a far better leader, i'll be much stronger on borders, much stronger in protecting the evangelicals. i'll be much stronger in

protecting our country. >> david, i was talking about it earlier, what my experience with the evangelical voters are. they are not voting for christian of the year, they are voting for the guy or woman who will fight for their values and with trump it looks like right now according to the polls more evangelicals think they can trust him more than anybody else. >> sure looks like the numbers are looking that way. i think you're right. evangelicals, first of all we should back it up, evangelicals will vote for cruz and a few others. donald trump has a wild card in all of this and that is that the narrative on donald trump was already crafted well before he got in the race. he's the $10 billion success guy that knows the art of the deal and knows how to get things done. people bob dotson dot evangelica -- dot,

dot, dot will move this country form. ted cruz, marco rubio others are in the process of defining their own narrative. that's a huge advantage for donald trump. >> david is exactly right. most important thing to winning the white house is defining yourself on your own terms and donald trump walked into this race with tens of millions of people already knowing his brand, liking his brand and for him luckily and in some judgment people want strength and this brand is about strength and achievement. >> l-obviously, strength, mark, when a lot of these voters feel under siege, their way of life is under siege. trump says i'm going to fight. >> one thing we know from doing past presidential elections people don't vote on single issues they vote on constellation of attributes. and the most important is perception of strength. think about what's happening in the world and our country it's even more important than ever. people feel insecure. and by the way you don't get donald trump until you go to one

of his rallies. it's a phenomenon. it's a movement. >> my brother introduced him. i remember you said after no labels that you had never seen anything like donald trump in your 30 years of politics. and every where he goes. >> just to take a slight exception to mark, the constellation at any rate does change from election to election. in 2012 what we saw the most important straigportraiimportan. in 2012 elm pathy mattered more. 2016 looks like strength matters more. >> david brody, obviously again americans not feeling just evangelicals their way of life is under siege, cistron march, people getting shot in san bernardino, drive by attacks in paris.

it does seem like western values are under siege, certainly to a lot of republican voters. >> well, right. radical islamic terrorism is obviously not just the number one issue polling across america but no doubt a tier a issue in the evangelical world and has been for some time. i'm a big fan of sports analogy and came to me about five minutes ago. remember the detroit tigers, jack morris great all-star pitcher. that could be kind of a ted cruz, you know, he's got the resume, he's got the accomplishments. donald trump is like mark the bird with the detroit tigers. he was the guy that had the emotional connection with the fans. talking to himself on the mound. he may not have the resume of jack morris but boy the fans came out the see him every single night when he pitched. >> david brody thank you so much. mark mckennan come back later this hour when we talk about the eagles founder glenn frey. still to come, lindsey

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expectations. his opponents are expectations. can he beat expectations. i think khe can. >> he's one person that's not crazy. >> so rick wilson has written a column for the "daily beast" and other than jeb nobody has been really attacking trump, really that much. and you've always been critical of it but this is what rick wilson says. he says that ted cruz's behavior towards trump was feeding the alligator in hopes that it eats him last. the title is ted cruz brilliant strategy. that's what happened with the republican party other than jeb, right? they have been afraid -- >> yeah. >> other than you, of course. >> i think jeb has criticized his policies. let's just put think it way. how long have we been doing this? 20 years. donald trump is most unelectable

republican i've seen in my lifetime. he's got an 81% disapproval rating with hispanics, with growth potential. what did we learn in 2012? we're pissing the hispanic community off because we're talk about illegal immigration. the answer to deportation is not self-deportation including kids the millennials trump is going nowhere. >>'s a brilliant politician. >> more democrats. >> for republicans too. he's stomping everybody by 20 points in most states. >> he's doing well with those people that believe thart angry for good reason but 75% of his voters believe obama is a muslim born in kenya. >> you don't think he can turn the corner and be brilliant. >> i don't think you can convince hispanics after what you said that you love him. >> if you had to put a percentage on it, if you could put a percentage on it what

percentage of republican primary voters are more angry about conditions in the country or more angry that barack obama is president of the united states? >> i think there's a percentage of our people that have a hard time accepting obama to be president. he's driven our party crazy. he started, if he had governed like he campaigned it would be different but he's gone so extreme in many areas that people in our party at least a fraction of them are just so upset by him and obama is -- excuse me trump is feeding in to that. what is his campaign about? what is donald trump's campaign about? >> i could tell you his message. >> his message is not a good message for us and it will catch up with us. if you want to make hillary clinton president of the united states, vote for donald trump. dishonest means crazy. >> i don't know. i can say that about ted cruz. >> do you have any doubt he'll get wiped out with hispanics? >> i don't think he'll do worse than mitt romney. in fact i think he'll do better than mitt romney.

>> how much better does he have to do to win. >> he has to get in the 30s. i think he'll do much better with white working class voters than mitt romney did. i know there are a lot of -- >> we won't do any better. >> i think there are too many wild cards. talk to top strategists in every campaign and they will say the general election campaign ted cruz will wipe us out. trump they are like we've been wrong on everything else. why aren't we wrong about trump in the general election the same way we were all wrong with trump in a primary? >> we looked at 2012 to try to figure out what our problems were. why did we lose to barack obama? we're in a demographic death spiral. look at the demographics with trump. every problem we had in 2012 he's made worse with women and hispanics. he's openly said in the past that he felt president obama was born in kenya. he will not to this day admit

that president obama was born in hawaii. would you do me a favor and ask him before he gets to be the nominee of the republican party, donald, are you satisfied that obama was born in hawaii? if not share with us why. now is that too much to ask? >> we've asked him. >> he won answer the question. >> we've asked him but he's moved on the canada now. >> you know why he won't say he was born in hawaii because half the people that support him will get bad. >> let's move on the ted cruz. if donald trump is not an acceptable candidate to you, ted cruz is close behind him. leading in iowa depending on which poll you look at. is ted cruz a more acceptable candidate to you than donald trump? >> no. he's going to get killed. >> you rather have donald trump. >> the first thing in my mind is donald trump. no. when i think of problem solver the first thing in my mind is not ted cruz. all i can say i've learned one thing in 20 years, if a law is

named after the president of the united states and they are still president you won't repeal it. he took our party down a strange road of shutting down the government to repeal obamacare. those of us that thought it was a bad tactical choice he said you're for obamacare. i'll never forget that. because you disagree how to repeal obamacare you're for the thing you're against. i don't like that politicking. at the end of the day the next president needs ready as commander-in-chief and bring this country together. i don't think ted cruz or donald trump are ready to be commander-in-chief. jeb bush can. he'll beat hillary clinton. >> senator lindsey graham, thank you very much. always good to have you on our show. he's a little frustrated i will say with the situation. >> it will work out. >> it will >> yes. >> all right coming up what's behind that peaceful easy feeling inside one of the most talented and tumultuous band in

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we can yell at each other on a baseball field and we don't have to yell at each other when we're working. >> we try and get out and play

soft ball with the crew when we have a day off. something to help release the tn tension. that's really what i do to keep from going crazy. how do you keep from going crazy, joe? >> that was eagles co-founder, prolific strong writer and guitarist glenn frey. alex, let me start with you. something the "new york times" wrote on the obit for glenn frey for this morning. and people saw your documentary, they said it made me like him

less because they were such hard asses. it made me love him more because he was an artist and a perfectionist. >> he was an artist and a perfectionist. that's what i said about jackson brown when he heard him writing "doctor my eyes," he said i get it now, it not divine intervention, it's elbow grease. >> he was born in the middle of the century, mid of the country, detroit, his mom baked pies for gm. it got started with bob seager. this guy was rock 'n' roll. >> that's right. he epitomized the most rock 'n' roll story ever.

don henley and glenn frey go out to l.a. and become the backup band and they ended up recording i think it was the best selling album of the 20th century, the eagles greatest hit and then they break up at the height of their fame and he was at the center of it with glenn frey. >> talk about the relationship between don henley and glenn frey. a lot has been made of the oil and water prnersonality. they say it's overstated, the tension in the band. >> you have two alphas who are really determined to make it and you also got thrown into the mix. have you david geoffin, whose record company they signed with and you have their manager, and you're talking about two of the most hard driving people in the

music business with two of the most hard driving musicians out there. the eagles were built to succeed. >> you'll have to pardon me. i've only seen the documentary 412 times. i've always thought that glenn frey comes off as the captain of the team and don lynn is the star quarterback. but one of the more fascinating aspects of the eagles occurs during the 1980s when radio changes and they play longer sets on radios and then they reappear in 1984 stunned about their popularity. can you speak to a time when they weren't together yet growing in popularity. >> classic radio was a phenomenon that hadn't happened at that time. classic rock was being played everywhere. it was look the eagles never left. when they came back in person people were like i know those

songs, are those the guys that sang them? they had enormous popularity. >> the records they set selling albums -- >> it's astonishing. i think they had four number one hits in a row. their greatest hits has been certified platinum four times. just behind, "hotel california" 16 million. it speaks to just how ubiquity -- ubiquitous they were. >> still ahead, we'll go live to wall street where they're posed for a big rally. >> and bernie sanders appears to be oozing confidence. we'll play his latest comments.

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due respect" and john heilemann. our nbc news/wall street journal poll says it's experience they prefer in a candidate and not change. among democrats who want change, sanders is on top 52 to 39. the continuity versus revolution theme was on full display during sunday night's debate with clinton repeatedly tying herself to president obama. >> reporter: did you think secretary hid behind president obama last night? >> well, you know, you might say

that. look, at the end of the day how much improved our economy today is compared to when bush left office when we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, the only way you don't see that is if you are very partisan so we've made some good progress. but as candidates we have to stand on our own two feet. what i have tried to do since day one is run an issue-oriented cam pan. the reason you run is to show the difference you have with your opponents. hillary clinton and i have difference of opinion, it's called democracy. but i'm not about personal attacks -- >> you brought up her speaking fees. you don't think that's an attack? >> no, it's not an attack. it's a fact. she has received $600,000 from

goldman sachs for speaking fees. if that's not a fact, then i'll apologize. >> and sanders traveled to birmingham, alabama where he addressed an overflow crowd of about 7,000. while clinton headed to iowa where she pitched a, quote, sensible -- >> by the way, that's in alabama and we keep hearing bernie sanders is weak in the south to me. we keep hearing, oh, he'll win new hampshire because they're a neighboring state and maybe iowa because they're crazy democratic populists, he's not going to win in the south. he's got 7,000 in birmingham. this is a lot like the trump story. the "new york times" interactive still has donald trump at number 14. you look at that crowd in birmingham and you go, wait a

second, so that's where he's weak? >> this is incredible. >> i would hate to see where bernie sanders is strong if i were the clinton campaign. >> and to put a finer point on it, there a lot of african-americans in that crowd. one of the things the clinton commonwealth pain says is he can win in iowa but it's imupon for him to win in multi-culture states. >> i think you flew out to iowa, talking to michelle obama, one of the great frustrations in the obama campaign is they weren't doing well with black voters and hispanics and michelle obama told up just wait. people are thinking everything is static and this is never -- this is game on. >> i can't believe. that could have been a trump

rally. >> donald would tell up he would have had twice the people. >> so hillary clinton was in toledo, iowa and see spoke briefly to people. >> i don't want to overpromise. i don't want to come out with theories or concepts that may or may not be possible. we don't need anymore of that. what we need is a sensible, achievable agenda where we roll up our sleeves and we work together. >> as many of you know, we began this campaign about nine months ago and when we began, we were 50 points behind. we were 50 points behind the inevitable, inevitable democratic nominee. well, guess what? that inevitable candidate ain't so inevitable today!

>> today! that was larry david, "today"! >> people were saying to me that was a bad thing. >> new york that's a good thing. who wouldn't want larry david as president? >> i know. incredible. >> the contrast between bernie's crowd and hillary's crowd, amazing. >> we have one candidate on each side whose events look totally unconventional. barack obama had big crowds, too. but bernie sanders, these are rallies. these are the events where people are staged and roped in. if he wins iowa, if he wins new hampshire, then all bets are off. she has a big 25-point national lead and an advantage in demographic but if he wins thos first two states, watch out. >> confidence matters. i ran into him yesterday in the

hilton in columbia. i would say this, he was in a good mood. >> is that a bernie sanders good mood or good mood for normal people in. >> he's confident. they both spoke at this mlk event on the steps of colombia. he's not intimidated by her and he's confident his message has resonance. he's still the underdog but confidence is so important and he has it now. >> the latest survey monkey

republican nomination poll: meanwhile out of south carolina, at 32% trump is 14 points ahead of cruz at 18% in south carolina, jeb climbing to 13%, passing rubio at 11%. >> i want to hold here for one second. we're going to see this also in florida, not sure about georgia. notice donald trump light years ahead, picking up, plus for, cruz losing momentum and then look at jeb bush, which you will see also in florida, jeb bush on the move. i'm not saying he's going to pick up trump, but jeb bush in this poll and in the florida poll, mark halperin, which we'll get to in a second is suddenly going from 2% 3rks%, 4% to 11, 12 and now 13% and in second place in that establishment lane and picking up support. >> i've never written off jeb

bush and who has shown the smartest political instincts in th year. >> donald trump. >> who does he continue to attack. >> jeb bush. zaus i think he remain potentially the biggest threat to donald trump being nominee. >> in georgia -- the senator nair -- wait, wait, wait. john heilemann, you get outside the early states and it's trump and cruz and nobody else. i haven't seen the latest massachusetts polls but you see these polls that aren't in iowa and new hampshire and the establishment candidates are all reduced to nothing. >> this is going to be the big challenge for all these republican establishment candidates, in donald trump and

ted cruz are 1-2 in iowa and could be one and two in new hampshire, how do they get any media oxygen, the other candidates? the focus of the mainstream media as you go south carolina, nevada is going to be so much on trump/cruz, trump, cruz. if marco rubio finishes fourth, how do they get traction? >> you look at the last poll, marco was down first points, he was down four points in the georgia poll and now we go to florida. >> new survey shows trump with a 12-point lead over cruz while bush and rubio are in a tight battle for third place on their home turf. that's panful. >> once again, jeb bush

moving -- i think he was behind marco in the last poll we saw out of florida. it's very close but you look at trend lines in poll tex and jeb bush's camp has got to like the fact that they're at least starting to move forward in the stabment lane. >> there are four establishment candidates and all four of them at this point could make the claim to say i'll be alternative. there's an op-ed piece in the "washington post" today saying our party cannot nominate cruz or trump, we need someone else. he does not say who that is. >> we're talking about the wild card berth for the playoffs. drm -- let's just state the obvious. he's the number one seed. let's state the obvious, if it were any other candidate but

donald trump right now, the mainstream media would have called this race. >> but you're right on that race for the wild card berth. if you look at the nam poll, it could be any one of that cluster. and trump is trying to win iowa. he's there today with a big endorsement announcement. he is not conceding iowa. >> and the cruz/trump battle. >> oh, anyway god. day tant? what happened to detante? >> i saw a new article where they talked about ted cruz

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yesterday donald trump spoke at liberty university in lynchberg, virginia, while

watching he is word yet still worked in a few swear words. >> my father was criticized in the early 1980s for supporting ronald reagan over jimmy carter because president -- for president because ronald reagan was a hollywood actor who had been divorced and remarried and jimmy carter was a sunday baptist sunday school teacher. my father proudly replied that jesus pointed out that we are all sinners, every within of us, and while jesus never told to us vote for, he gave us all common sense on how to elect the best leaders. james jimmy carter was a great sunday school teacher but look what happened to our nation with him in the presidency. >> wow.

get those teleprompters out of here, we're going to have some fun, right? it's an honor to be here and especially on martin luther king day. weep broke the record -- you know, we had the record for about three or four years, the last time. the first thing i said to becky and jerry when i got here, "did we break the record"? they said, yes, you did. we'll dedicate that to martin luther king, a great man. that's a little bit of an achievement. >> one of the people i'm running against -- we won't use names because we don't want to insult anybody. am i allowed to say bad in this sfloom i don't haven't to be politically correct. we're going to protect us.

i asked jerry and some. folks because i hear this is a major theme right here but two corinthians, right? so anyway, that happened. >> "new york times" article. with trump evangelicals are judging not. actually, trump is getting stronger among evangelicals in polls over the last several weeks they're noticing. and it brings up a point. does -- did donald trump go to southern baptist churches for four years like me -- i mean four days a week his growing up?

no probably not. this is what i found. i talked a little bit about this before. i had -- i mean, the majority of people that voted for me among -- well, the people at trump rallies but also the evangelicals. i get of 62% of the democratic vote because of that. when i spoke in churches, i'd say don't vote for me because i'm the best christian running. i'm not. i'm the worst. but i understand you, i share your values, i share your world view and i will fight for you. vote for me not because you think i'm a good christian. vote for me because you believe what i believe and i believe what you believe. and i heard the same thing time and time and time and time againpeople coming up to me just like somebody said in this article, willie, it like, you know what god can worry about

his personal life. i want somebody that's going to fight for my values and defend my values. so, no, he doesn't know what second corinthians but he does know christianity is under attack, i'm going to fight for them. >> trump, evangelicals. >> they know donald trump is a guy that will go around talking merry christmas, and they know trump is going to work for them and he's going to show it. he's not what some would consider an evangelical himself. he said he has a great relationship with god but not an evangelical. he talked about themer merry

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donald did an interview where he describes that he thinks he's bigger than ronald reagan. i think the american people will

make that determination. you know, i would note that ronald reagan spent decades as a principled conservative, spent decades traveling the country sharing his conservative free market views, defending the constitution. ronald reagan did not spend the first 60 years of his life supporting democratic politicians, advocating for big government politics, supporting things like the tarp big bank bailout, supporting things like expanding obama wear to turn it into social sized medicine. but i love his tweet yesterday. he had a tweet about ted cruz and then the last word of "doubts." will the democrat be able to get him off the ballot? >> i absolutely can't stand trump doing this to president obama for so long. the cruz thing, i'm with all the

people on capitol hill, who are annoyed by him, which is everybody by capitol hill. >> let be clear. ted cruz was born in canada, president obama was not actually born in -- >> i agree. >> there's a difference. >> joining us now, opinion writer and in it, he writes this about where the gop finds itself today. >> trump movement ought to wake americans up, to pt depth of disaffection among their supporters and to the cost of the cycle of disappointment and betrayal. they will need to respond far more creatively and

substantively to the eithering unmeanness longthe working class porers. >> in another year, another time, it would have been a monumental statement about where we need to go and civil discussion. trump squashed it the next day say being i am angry. remember? >> i think trump oddly for a billionaire is the revenge of working class republicans when you look at who is supporting him. if you go back over the years, republicans have got i don't know support election after election from bo these voters are upset and you have to do something for them. it's not clear what trump would actually do for them. he is talking about immigration.

but i think the party has had this warning for a while. oddly i go back to the 2012 campaign. there are two candidate who is have lessons from 2012 for the republicans. one was santorum. he, far lest effective than trump, was speaking for. >> if erepublican want to get in, they stays along where do working class voters go if they say there's been so much illegal immigration -- you know, amnesty means more kme kp unfettered

freed trade, ask no questions. with trump up have a guy who's taking both of those things on with bernie sanders, you have a guy at least taking on the issue of trade. where it seems like -- it does seem like it's fixed and it the editorial page of the watt street journal and "new york times" agreeing on both these issues while working class voters doesn't seem to have anyplace to go. >> no, and i think that is the rebellion going going on. it's a crazy and inhumane eye deep butch we can still work on wages. >> the thing worrying about wages being stagnant. they say liberals never about hib grals in term it i think one

of the studies that should take us up is the study that showed that middle age working class men have a higher increasing suicide rate. they keep promising o reduce the size of government. actually, the country don't want to reduce the size of government that much. they promised to change the culture. actually these cultural changes are accepted by the country. so the other explosion that you're seeing here is the rage of florida be iowa, maine,

massachusetts -- is it a lack in crisis? all they lack is the presidency and they could win that this year. then this kind of weird, dysfunctiona dysfunctional. -- the bad news for republicans is that consistency has a time limb it on there with an aging wheat base. >> also told people are being replaced by new old people. >>it is rab -- if you look at the fact that they own 60% of

the governor's mansion, 60% of the state legislatures, the house, more than any time -- >> it will be just like her vert hoover. that was the last time. >> it interesting that for a party that so dominates all levels of government right now, they have lost five of the six last presidential races. >> that's incredible. >> in the popular vote. >> right. and all things being equal, they will keep losing. again, this presidential election, who knows how it's going to turn out, but i think over time they are going to have to face this crisis and some republicans are straight up about it and say the country could become like california where democrats now completely dominate because they're ahead of the country in terms of account rahal change. >> the new book "why the right. still ahead, robert gates.

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just in this morning, the pentagon reports another round of 21 american air strikes on syria and iraq, targeting isil tactical positions. and russia just announced they've run 157 missions in the last four days. joining us now, former defense secretary robert gates. he's the author of a new book "a passion for leadership, lessons on chang and reform from 50 years of public service." great to have you here. >> thank you. >> what a time for this book to come out. americans are flocking to people like bernie sanders and donald

trump because they're frustrated wa if people are frustrated. in their daily lives they encounter all these oshss that don't work very well or that underperforming or broken, the veterans affairs, flint, michigan. the list goes on and on. this book is about how leaders can chang organizations and reform organizations for the better. and at every level, you know, it not just for co college, aa pd. >> steve: what care terk trait do you look for? >> the first thing if i were looking at flint, the first thing a leader does that i wrote about in the book is hold people accountable. who is responsible to?

flm anz who is accountable for letting thing go wrong? >> let's on to the problem has been dying most, how do you ib cyst? looking frb are -- sometimes you have to chang the paradime. so why wouldn't you go into e.a. balanced cls p -- if he can't get an appointment within two weeks at a v.a. hospital, why can't he go to the hospital and have the president pay for that. so we dlfr brp part of a

leader's responsibility is tone sure that employees know how their work fits into the bigger picture, how it makes a contribution, a difference. to lead reform successfully, a leader must empower oub srd nantz. a successle demanding leader on the peculiar speaking of respect and leadership, you have been around at least half a dozen presidents in the course of your career. lastly is second of defense. we have been at war in this country for 15 years. that's probably one of the element of frustration among the american people. in terms of people p leadership, the next president of the united states, what will the next president of the united states need to have within his or her

character war that might end up being a generational war? >> first of all, i think that the best quote about a quality of a president that i've ever read was a statement by supreme court just oliver endwell homes jr., the great presidents are those who recognized they weren't the smart nest root pu. one of the questions that nobody has asked any of these candidates in this election cycle is who are the kind of people you would appoint? who are the kind of people you would look to voice advance fob

pd. >> what goes through your mind when up hear specific candidates say we have to carpet bomb isis, i'll limb napt isis on day within of my med sfwrks total disregard for civilians. so, i mean, part of the concern that i have with the campaign, particularly when it comes to national security, is that the solutions being offered are so simplistic. and so at odds with the reality of the rest of the worls. like, you served. we're going to construct a franken president. most admirable quality of president obama. >> i think his willingness to

make tough. for a guy who had never run anything before he became president, his willings in to make tough decisions. >> most admirable quality of george w. bush. >> i think highs courage. >> george herbert walker bush. >> his ability to bring people together in large coalition foss get it done. >> you had had the courage of president george w bush and the unifying qualities of george herber walk are so anybody that matches up it naurnlt i just got a while. that's horrible. >> president obama has actually been criticized for always thinking he's the smartest guy

in the room. f prchl now that may seem like an easy job but i always need people smarter than me around me making my better every day. did barack obama always think he was the smartest guy in the room? >> you know, the president is quoted as having said at one point to his staff, can i do every within of your jobs better than you can. >>. >> oh, my god. >> say no more. >> and i think that -- you know, i think he is -- he has centralized power and operational activities of the government in the white house to a degree that i think is unparalleled, nnsc staff of 450 people at this point, and yet i think one of the great

weaknesses of the white house is implementation of strategy, is difficulty in developing strategy and then implementing that strategy. i don't see the kind of strong people around the president who will push back on him. i will give him credit. i pushed back on him a lot and he never shut me down. he never told me to be quiet or refused to see me or anything like that. but i don't see people around him like that now. >> what president embodies the characteristics of leadership through history as you read biographies or you look -- >> or paint the picture of leadership. >> yeah, that would be the type of leader that you'd want in power. >> el with, i think that our greatest presidents, frankly, fit the descriptions that i give in the book in the qualities of great leaders, washington, lincoln, both roosevelts,

truman, eisenhower. >> that's a very good question. >>. >> i will tell you this. i do think that politics is a profession. and i think that if you don't have any experience in how government works, if you have never been in government, your ability to make the government work is going to be significantly reduced. it's different than business. it's different than surgery. it's different than anything else. it's a skill set that you bring based on experience and based on dealing with other people. and when you realize that, you know, truman once said that eisenhower will be terribly

disappointed as president because he's going to give an order and nobody does anything. so figuring out how to actually move the ball forward, how to make changes, that's what the book is all about. >> how about kerry? >> i don't think so? >> wow. >> mika, just stop, okay? >> but it's amazing. >>. the book is a position an eent next saturday, right? >> a week from saturday. >> they'll be peacefully. >> that's going to be all siri. you might want to is we'll be right back. a big rally while china reports its slowest growth in 25 years. at every turn...

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