wednesday with those temperatures only in the teens. kate? >> all right, alex, the campaigns will like that forecast. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's friday, it's a top-secret surprise. will the clinton e-mail is aga drive a sanders surge or drum up anti-clinton outrage for the gop? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening from des moines and welcome to another edition of "mtp daily." just under 72 hours before the first doors open at the iowa caucuses, and we seem to have a potential january surprise on our hands. what has been the routine monthly release of hillary clinton's state department e-mails has a bit of a

head-turning headline today. the state department says that 22 e-mails from seven different e-mail chains will be withheld from public release at the request of u.s. intelligence officials, because they contain top-secret information. here's state department spokesman, john kirby, just a short while ago. >> i can confirm that as part of this monthly production of former secretary clinton's e-mails, the state department will be denying in full seven e-mail chains found in 22 documents, representing 37 pages. the documents are being upgraded at the request of the intelligence community, because they contain a category of top-secret information. these documents were not marked classified at the time that they were sent. >> and there's the important quote, there, that the clinton campaign talks about, not marked classified at the time. clinton campaign responded swiftly with a statement from spokesman brian fallon that read

in part, "we firmly oppose the complete blocking of the release of these e-mails. since providing her e-mails to the state department more than one year ago, hillary clinton has urged that they may be available to the public. we feel no differently today. this appears to be over-classification run amok. we will pursue all appropriate avenues to see that her e-mails are released in a manner consistent with her call last yea year." fallon then added this a short while ago. >> we believe this judgment to withhold 22 e-mails from public release, zmit hillary clinton's call for all of her e-mails to be released is happening at the behest of other agencies in the government who have hijacked the process that's been taking place for the last several months. >> in addition to those seven e-mail chains being withheld for top-secret information, kirby also announced that e-mails from eight additional chains will be wit he would not as a result of classification, because they're e-mails that happen to be

between secretary clinton and president obama. remember, hillary clinton's chief rival, bernie sanders, himself, was the one who seemed to diffuse the e-mail issue, at least in the democratic primaries, the most back in the first democratic presidential debate. >> let me say something that may not be great politics. but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damned e-mails. >> thank you. me too. me too. >> clinton herself was actually asked about the e-mail situation earlier this week. here's how she responded. >> well, apologizing sooner, as soon as you can, but part of the problem, and i would just say this as not an excuse, but just as an explanation, when something -- when you're facing something like that, you've got to get the facts and it takes time to get the facts. when i said, hey, take all my e-mails, make them public, that had never been done before,

ever, by anybody. so we've been sorting our way through this, because it is kind of a unique situation. i'm happy people are looking at the e-mails. some of them are, frankly, you know, a little embarrassing, you know? you find out that sometimes i'm not the best on technology and things like that. but, look, i think it's great. let people sort them through and as we have seen, there is a lot of, you know, a lot of interest. but it's something that took time to get done. >> but it is this release of the whole issue of now something being classified as top-secret, after the fact, that comes just 72 hours before the caucuses. joining me now is a hillary clinton supporter. he happens to also be a cabinet secretary. secretary of agriculture, tom vilsack, former governor here. hello, sir. >> hey, chuck. nice to be back home. >> that's right. i was just in your real home, in mt. pleasant, a few hours ago. let me start with this e-mail situation. 72 hours before the caucuses. it is -- obviously, we don't know what has been marked top

secret, and sometimes when you don't know what it is, people's imaginations go right to something nefarious. >> not in the caucus -- look, caucusgoers understand and appreciate what this is. the timing of it is quite suspect. the reality is -- >> you believe it is designed, potentially, to hurt her chances on monday? >> there's no question about that. and there's no question that these were marked classified after the fact. so, this is not what people are going to be talking about on monday night. they're going to be talking about substantiative issues, mental illness and jobs and the economy and what the future of foreign policy of this country is going to be. they're not going to be talking about this nonsense. >> i was just at a bernie sanders event when you were mayor, mt. pleasant, way back when, where you were governor, and he's bringing up the issue of electability. he says, i know some people will say i'm not electable. when you talk to caucusgoers who are not for hillary, they bring up and just say, other stuff, or baggage, or this or that. the reminder of this the not good for that argument. >> chuck, the great thing about secretary clinton is that we -- all that the republicans have been doing for the last several

years is out there. we know what they're going to do. we're ready for it, we're prepared for it. it's not going to be an issue, at the end of the day. what is going to be an issue is who's in the best position to fight for american families. who's in the best position to lead america's place in the world. and i think there's no question about that, in terms of her experience and in terms of what he's been talking about on the campaign trail, she's the best person to be president of the united states. >> why is this close? >> well, look, this is iowa, man. >> i know. >> we got a lot of progressive eem in iowa in the democratic party. >> 74-year-old socialist, not even technically a registered democrat and he has made this a race. >> as you saw from the iowa poll, 43% of democrats in iowa self-identify themselves as socialist. so there you have the 43% that are sanders supporters. this has been a good race and a substantiative race. hats off to all three candidates. compared to what we're seeing on the other side, which is more of a carnival, more of a circus, which has been a substantive debate about the future of this country. and at the end of the day, our nominee will be better for it. hillary will be in a better

place to make the case to say she is in the best position to finally, finally crack that glass ceiling and shatter it once and for all. >> you know, sometimes, it is tough to run on continuity. is she running too much on that? too much of saying, i'm going to build on president obama. is that why there's some anti-democrats who say, no, we need something bolder and bigger? >> laook, what we need is progress. we need a continuation to build on what the president's laid in terms of the economy and america's place in the world. we do need continuity. we don't want to go back to the policies of eight years ago. so she's going to build on a solid foundation. a good, solid, democratic, progressive foundation. >> you're the last cabinet secretary from the beginning. what's that feel like? you're going to be the only -- well, i assume, let's -- you know, knock on wood here, i guess. all eight years. >> well -- >> how does that feel. >> in my particular position, the continuity is important. we've been able to drive down the message of the importance of rural america. you know, one of the good things about this particular caucus

campaign on the democratic side is, we're speaking to rural voters for the first time. and i think that's an important opportunity for us. >> it's interesting you bring that up with rural voters, the gun issue cuts both ways in rural iowa, doesn't it? >> it does, but the issue that's really on the minds of a lot of people in rural areas, an issue hillary brought up first, which is this issue of substance abuse and mental illness. there's a tremendous issue here that we have not talked about as a country. this presidential campaign will make sure it's on the top and president obama is very, very committed to getting that foundation laid on that issue as well. >> both iowa and new hampshire voters, i think, have put that on the agenda. secretary vilsack, i'll let you go. nice so see you. good to be in iowa. >> good to see you. >> we'll get reaction to more of this clinton news, starting to come in, from the republican presidential candidates. according to the "washington post," dave weigel, senator rand paul said, quote, this disregard for national security should forever preclude her from being president, well, senator rand paul joins me now on the phone. senator paul, i know you're on the trail right now. let me start with this.

you're a guy that normally doesn't want to see somebody judged before we have all the facts. do you feel like you have all the facts in on this, to make the judgment you just made on secretary clinton? >> i'm not making a legal judgment. i'm making a political judgment that she doesn't have the wisdom to be commander in chief. i've said this, with regard to benghazi, where i didn't think she provided adequate security or made the right and correct decisions that a commander in chief would have to make. but i also think here, you know, we now have e-mails that 22 of them are so sensitive, they can't even be released to the public. also, she disciplined and removed an ambassador who did exactly what she did. and i think, do as i say, not as i do, is a great example. but i think national security is an important component of what she's trying to say is her asset. and i think this turns it on its head, the fact she did something probably many would say is much

worse than what general petraeus did, and i would say that she needs to be judged equally, you know, under the same like as general petraeus. >> let me talk about last night's debate. and i thought -- in an observation that i had of watching you actually the last couple of debates, you seemed to be, channeling janis joplin. as if freedom means you have nothing left to lose. you seem to be back on your libertarian roots, pushing more, being -- you just seem a little more comfortable on stage. is that just me noticing that or do you -- have you sort of changed your focus on this campaign toward the last days? >> i think it's just, you may have forgotten, i wasn't on the stage. i was more noticeable this time, because i was actually on the stage. but -- >> fair enough. >> no, i think over time, i've gotten more time on the stage. i really don't think i've changed an iota of what i stand for or talk about since i started running for office in 2009. but i do think that i've gotten

a little more time on the stage to express myself and last night, there was more time. i think the debate got into more details and more serious details and less sort of, you know, calling people ugly, fat, or stupid. i think we didn't have to waste too much time on the twitter king. >> do you think this was sort of almost like an episode of the twilight zone? we saw what the campaign would have been like if donald trump hadn't run? >> to me, it was sort of a win-win. being on the stage is obviously a great way and a great privilege for me to present my message, but also not having him there made it, i think, the debate a more enlightened debate and so, no, i think it was good for the country. and i'm advising him to continue to have his own rallies and skip the rest of the debates. >> one of the things i've noticed, senator, when talking to some trump supporters, is, quite a few of them espouse libertarian views when i talk to them. and quite a few of them talked

about you as their second choice. how much do you feel as if trump has sort of somehow got, the liberty vote away from you, in a way that maybe you didn't expect or others didn't expect? >> i'm not sure if that's true or not. when we talk to liberty voters, they're people who are very much opposed to the nsa collecting all of our phone records. trump has come out really in favor of aggressive nsa stance. we are people who don't believe that the government should be, you know, making the sand glow or carpet bombing over there, because we think you may well create more terrorists than you kill. also, the liberty people are big on auditing the fed, things that nobody else in the state have been for. so we think we have a unique aspect and a unique presentation of philosophy that really doesn't go. the other thing that i think is diametrically opposed to trump is we think power corrupts and we don't want an all-powerful president that says he'll fix everything. we'll concerned that too much power can be a corrupting

influence. >> all right. senator paul, i'm going to leave it there. stay safe on the trail. watch out for black ice. and we'll see you over the weekend. >> all right, thanks, chuck. >> thank you, sir. well, "nbc nightly news" anchor lester holt spoke to hillary clinton just a little while ago. here's a quick preview of what she had to say to him. >> you have painted bernie sanders as a bit of a dreamer, a bit of an idealist who can't deliver. so talk to me about all the supporter who is propelled him to where he is right now? are they dreamers and idealists for launching on to his revolution? >> we share a lot of the same goals. we both want more jobs with rising incomes. we both want to make sure that the wealthy pay finally their fair share of taxes. we want to paychemake sure we g universal coverage. but what i think is the smartest, most effective way to get results is to build on the progress we've made. >> you're safe, is that the way

you're portraying yourself? you're safe and he's not? >> no, i'm smart and prepared and i think i know what it takes to get change made. >> by the way, in the little box there in the corner, we are showing you, that's live pictures of secretary clinton at an event in iowa that's taking place right now. joining me is a senior adviser to the bernie sanders campaign, tad devine. you just heard secretary clinton there. let me get you to respond to that before i ask you about e-mails. essentially, she's saying, hey, we have the same goals, just different ways of getting there. >> i disagree. i don't think they have the same goals. bernie sanders believes that we have to fix a rigged economy, that's sending too much wealth to the top, that's held in place by a corrupt system of campaign finance. i don't think hillary clinton and bernie really have the same goals in terms of dealing with that. bernie wants to break up the big banks, she doesn't. bernie refuses to organize a super pac. hers are raising tens of millions of dollars today, we found out. so i think their goals are very different. he believes unless we clean up the system of campaign finance, we cannot fix a rigged economy. i don't think that's something hillary is saying or doing.

>> i think she would saying, she has a way to make steps that you could do one step at a time. and while bernie has these big goals, it's going to take time and you need somebody who can work the system. what do you say to that? >> i say america is not going to be fixed overnight, but unless we have ambitious goals and recognize that the time has come, for example, to have universal college education, public -- free tuition at public colleges. 50 years ago, a high school degree could get you a job in this country, now you need a college degree. bernie understands, unless we have a single-payer health care system, we won't be able to cover the people who don't have it, and will continue to pay twice as much as any other industrialized nation for health care. yes, he has ambitious goals, but he recognizes that the time has come to build. we've gone through a lot in this country in 15 years since 9/11. time has come to rebuild the middle class, and that's fundamentally different that what hillary is talking about. small steps versus a big move forward. >> what's the e-mail story mean

for your kingpin? >> i don't think it means a lot. he's been very good on this issue for a while. he doesn't want to politicize it. i'm a little surprised that the clinton campaign is attacking the obama administration investigation of this so much. we're not going to be involved in it. bernie's going to talk real issues that matter to people here -- >> you think the clinton campaign is attacking the obama administration? what do you mean by that? >> what i mean is they're attacking this investigation and trying to insinuate that things are being released for political purposes. i just heard the secretary of agriculture say that, sitting right here. i don't understand, they should do what we're doing, which is say, listen, let the investigation move forward. let the chips fall where they may. we're going to focus on the real issues. i saw senator sanders today. he's trying to make an electability argument, realizing that a counter one is being made against him. does a story like this, do you think that helps senator sanders? >> i don't think we're going to get engaged on this story. our electability argument is this. bernie sanders can jern a kind

of electorate that will bring young people, first-time voters. a lot of people new to the process will come. independents support him overwhelmingly. we see this in all of the polling. we believe bernie is by far the strongest candidate in the general election. the polling right now establishes that. the electorate we're building here in iowa and elsewhere, i think, will prove it. >> tad, i'm going to have to leave it there. we'll see you this weekend, i imagine. thank you, sir. we've got a lot more and there's a lot more, by the way, of lester holt's interview with hillary clinton tonight on the n"nbc nightly news" and msnbc will have more of it, as well. and there's some e-mail conversation in that interview. coming up, we will explain the key to donald trump's wild popularity. talking to republican voters here in iowa. this is "mtp daily," live from des moines. every day you read headlines about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals.

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right now, hillary clinton is speaking in dubuque, iowa, eastern iowa there. tonight at 7:00 p.m., the state department will release more e-mails from clinton's time as secretary of state.

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and we are back, live here in des moines. we're trying to attack the after-effects of two big events. last night, the debate and donald trump's anti-debate. this would have been our lead, if it hadn't been for the e-mail story that popped up late this afternoon. let's go to the republican side of things. trump's gamble to skip the last showdown before the caucuses appears to have paid off. and he took a victory lap today. >> when somebody doesn't treat you properly, you've got to be tough. you've got to be strong, you've got to be -- you can't let them push you around. and that grows -- you know, that goes for the country. when you're not treated properly, you have to stick up for your rights. and if i'm your leader, i'm going to stick up for the rights of the country. >> the move fit his brand, and now he sits on his lead, with just three days to go.

and he skipped what turned out to be a brutal night for some of the top candidates on stage. there's no doubt that trump mania runs rampant here in the hawkeye state and elsewhere. he packed the house at his competing event last night. two former iowa caucus winners and current competitors, rick santorum and huckabmike huckabe joined trump on stage and despite their best attempts to avoid his campaign sign, which i loved, it proved impossible, like his shadow over the 2016 race, trump is too big to avoid. enthusiasm is high, but trump's actual success is not unconditional. it does hinge on turnout here in iowa, and with a race so close, and a possible snowstorm on the way, pollsters at monmouth university say that the car that the caucusgoers choose to go use that night could even become a factor in the snow. and guess what? trump leads in supporters who own pickup trucks with 32%. but cruz has a caravan of his own. 42% of his supporters drive minivans. in all seriousness, as we've

been mentioning, trump needs caucusgoers that have not participated in the past if he's going to pull out the win that the polls indicate. bernie sanders, by the way, needs the same story to unfold. while the democratic outsider has been trying to inspire first-time caucusgoers that are all younger, trump's poll isn't determined by age. in fact, listen to what i heard on the ground last night at trump's rally. >> if trump weren't running, would you be caucusing? >> probably not. the last presidential election, i wasn't really as active as i am in this one. >> oh, that's a tough one, because i'm so dubious about everybody. >> probably not. >> no. no. i've never caucused before. >> how long you been living in iowa? >> 49 years. >> okay. and this is -- he's the first guy to motivate you to caucus? >> correct. >> it was fascinating to see that. the billionaire businessman has ignited the interest of caucusgoers who have not participated in a long time or have simply never found a reason

to. and what's at the heart of trump's appeal? there's probably one word that best describes it. it's this perception of strength. take a listen. >> oh, i'm caucusing for donald trump because i believe he has the brains, the bravery, and the business acumen to make things happen in america and the world. the other candidates, they don't have courage. >> i hope he's tough on illegal immigration, like he says and i hope national security is one of his top priorities. you know? especially with the deal with isis. >> i truly believe that our country needs more defense. and i truly believe that donald trump is going to take us where we need to be, and i'm going to feel safer in our country with him as a president. >> trump defined his campaign with a controversial and staunch immigration stance, an that has now morphed into international security concerns, and it has shaped his persona and shaped this campaign.

trump's platform is quite simply to pull no punches, and nobody in the republican field can figure out how to get further to his right on this issue. what holds rubio back? what trips up cruz? what keeps bush from gaining ground? one issue, folks, immigration. and guess what, we saw that at last night's debate. >> when you led the charge with the gang of eight, i supported it, because you asked me to. and then you didn't do that and you ask people to support, you shouldn't cut and run. >> you changed your position on immigration. because you used to support a path to citizenship. >> so did you. so did you, marco. >> marco made the choice to go the direction of the major donors, to support amnesty, because he thought it was politically advantageous. >> you said, i want to bring people out of the shadows. now you want to trump trump on immigration. but you can't -- we're not going to beat hillary clinton with someone who's willing to say or do anything to win an election. >> trump is keeping a busy schedule to close out the race,

holding events in iowa in the last two days. katy tur joins me from capital square here in des moines. katy, you saw, i've been to quite a few of them, not as many as you. is this the fair perception, what draws these people out is trump's the only guy tough enough to take on whatever issue they care about the most? and in many cases, it's immigration? >> i would dare say, the only person who has been to more donald trump events than me is donald trump himself. but when we talk to voters out there, they do hit on a few key things, strength is one of them. a man of action, not just talk. also, a man who is not afraid to pull punches. someone who's not politically correct. somebody who's not afraid of shaking up the system. but this idea of somebody who's going to go in there and change things, get things done, make deals is what really appeals to a lot of voters. what they're seeing in washington right now is this gridlock, this inability for congress to work together, for anyone to reach over the aisle.

and they think donald trump with his past as a dealmaker in real estate, whether that past is as truthful as he's made it out to be, as good as he's made it out to be, they think that he's going to be able to go in there and do that. just look what he's done in this race. he hasn't played by anybody's rules. he didn't show up to that debate last night? what did he do instead? he raised, according to donald trump, $6 million for veterans. many of whom were in that crowd last night. all while the politicians were on stage, debating each other, doing what donald trump has criticized them for. all talk, no action. >> you know, katy, and the other part of this that's been fascinating is, i don't get the sense that these are somehow ideolog ideologues. that these are people that have -- that they're straight-ticket, conservative voters. many of them admitted to me, they haven't been involved in politics. it is, and so the more you talk to trump voters, the more you realize, these attacks on him that he's not a real conservative, they don't have any sway with these voters. >> they don't matter, because

he's not a -- they're not one-issue voters. they're not just going to vote on their faith, they're not just going to vote on their conservatism. they want to vote for somebody that they believe in. and that's what is cutting across all of these boundaries. i spoke to a woman at that event last night, who told me that she is very much an independent and right now she's deciding, believe it or not, chuck, between hillary clinton and donald trump. she says hillary clinton has all of the experience in the world. there's nobody who deserves to be president more than she does. but she really likes donald trump's take-charge attitude, his take-no-prisoners attitude, the idea that he's going to go in there and shake things up. >> katy, i have to say, you topped me, i found a cruz/sanders undecided voter, you found a trump/clinton. only in iowa, katy tur, thanks very much. >> miracle. >> it is. we'll have much more ahead this hour, including a close-up look at marco rubio's political past. find out what his time as

florida house speaker can tell us about what kind of president he'd be. keep it right here.

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in today's making of a candidate close-up, it's a look at the two years that marco rubio spent as a speaker of the house in florida. he uses those two years to argue that he's a seasoned manager, despite being a somewhat newcomer to the u.s. senate. the first governor can be a guy rubio called, practically cuban, just taller, referring to jeb bush, who welcomed him in as speaker on the floor of the house with a golden sword. >> i'm going to bestow to you the sword of a great conservative warrior, and i know that chang will never let you down and you won't let him down zplp rube yao was just 34 years old. even then, he was perceived by many around him as full of ambition, a man in a hurry. it was already clear he was eloquent and not afraid of the

spotlight. in that first speech as speaker designate, he introduced a governing model modeled on america. >> if your hands, you now hold the first draft of a book that will outline to the people of florida our commitment to florida's future. now, today, the pages inside are blank. but over the next year, you, the members of this conference, will fill these pages with 100 innovative ideas. >> before i became the speaker of the florida house, i held what i called idea raises. we went out and passed that agenda, all 100 of those things, passed out of the florida house. over half of them today are either the law or the policy of the state of florida. >> according to politifact florida, just 24 became law, actually, while another ten were partially enacted. the listening tour also did allow rubio to begin to expand his political base statewide. and that helped him three years later when he challenged the governor who seceded bush,

charlie chris, from the u.s. senate. from the start, the two starred as rubio tried to push crist to the right. last night, rubio called crist the liberal governor of florida who claimed he was republican. and while rubio speaker, half a dozen immigration bills died before getting a floor vote. anti-immigration critics, including some still angry at rubio for supporting in-state tuition for undocumented immigrants back in 2004, accused rubio of burying those bills. in his 2012 memoir, rubio argues, i didn't want the state to assume a responsibility that properly belonged to the federal government. and i didn't want the house to waste time on legislation i knew the senate, referring to the state senate, wouldn't pass. rubio is known for his passionate speeches on the floor. perhaps most memorably, his final one, where he called himself, the son of exiles.

>> you go to another country, you don't speak the language, you don't know anyone, those dreams become impossible. the doors begin to close on you, and as a very young child, i remember picking up on that. i can't tell you how or what day it was or where i was when that happened, but i picked up on that as a very young child. and to this day, to this very day, there isn't a day that goes by that i don't feel like i'm living three lives in one, like i'm not trying to accomplish all the things i could to the do. >> mark caputo is florida's political reporter for a long time. essentially the bureau chief for "the miami herald". >> no, i would -- >> yeah, but you've heard a lot of marco rubio, this state legislature. his time as speaker, what can it tell us about a president rubio? >> what it can tell us is he had an agenda. you referenced the hundred ideas. and then when property taxes looked like they became a

problem, a hundred ideas went out the window. and suddenly, marco rubio turned his speakership into one idea. which is eliminating property taxes to swap out for the sales tax. >> sounds like gang of eight immigration. that's a familiar thing. when something gets unpopular, whoop. >> it's not that a hundred ideas became unpopular, he had a very popular agenda item and they made it all about that and scuttled the rest. one thing, he worked really well with democrats. he empowered democrats mightily. dan gelber is quoted to this day, as the house minority leader from miami beach. he did work well with the other side, but he had the overwhelming power of numbers in the florida house. >> you know, one of the big issues that some voters talk about is gridlock. and one of the big criticisms of president obama, he doesn't know how to work well with the legislative branch. does this mean, because he was a state speaker, do you think rubio will work well with the legislative branch or not? >> i think he can, but just don't mistake the total dysfunction and fairy tale

weirdness of washington for all the state capitals across the nation. most state capitals have a balanced budget amendment. they don't in washington. you're basically forced to work together in the florida legislature and in state capitals throughout the nation. >> the constitution forces them to, whether they like it or not. >> right. whereas in washington, it's kabuki theater. and the less you do, it seems, the more popular you get with your base. >> i'm going to leave it there. you're coming back here in a few minutes to talk all the craziness of your two florida candidates running for president. anyway, mark ka pewto, thanks very much, sir. >> you got it. up next, we'll talk to the communications direction for the ted cruz campaign and the top spokesperson for the trump campaign. they'll be together at the same time, surrogate v. surrogate. stay with us.

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any response to that? [ laughs ] >> just laughter, is that what we should take away from it? >> i like donald and he's welcome to say whatever he likes. i like and respect him. that's all i've got to say and right now, it's up to the voters to decide. >> joining me now is rick tyler, communications director for the ted cruz campaign and katrina pearson, a top spokesman for the trump campaign. they've agreed to come on together. welcome to both of you. thank you, by the way, for appearing together. something, actually, we didn't see from the two candidates last night. "des moines register" and donald trump both say, rough night for your boss, ted cruz. what do you say? >> well, "the des moines register" is a left-wing paper that endorsed marco rubio because they both share a love of amnesty and immigration reform. so, look, so i don't worry about "the des moines register". >> all right. donald trump, you feel -- he feels as if he made the right call? do you feel like he made the right call? >> he does, and i support him

100% on that. i think the event we had last night was amazing. it was very emotional for a lot of people, like myself who come from a military family. and you know, after fox news released that statement disparaging mr. trump, mr. trump took that personally. it was not just mr. trump or his campaign, it was the 40% of republican primary voters that support him. >> senator cruz didn't seem to be happy with the moderators last night. does he feel as if without donald trump's presence there, they sort of focused their -- focused themselves too much on him? >> there's a natural thing that if you're going to be in the center stage, as he was the leading poll -- or he had the most support of all the people who was on the stage, it was natural that people were going to come after him. no, we're not going to complain or wine about the moderators. that's something another candidate did and left the stage. but i think he held up well. the reason he did, senator cruz can take the scrutiny. donald trump couldn't, or he would have been there. he left and i noticed he's not in iowa today. he got right out of the state and is in new hampshire.

>> what do you say to that? >> i would say that i think everyone could agree that mr. trump isn't afraid of anything or anyone, considering how he's been the most accessible candidate, he's done the most press conferences, he's gone on all of the shows that most republicans won't go on. and he's always taken the tough questions. he's held press conferences and handled every reporter. whether he's a good, bad, or indifferent question. >> -- tlohrows out of the room. >> after he's answered the question several times. but i will say mr. trump and fox news have had a rocky relationship for quite some time. and many have agreed from other news outlets that the statement that they released was unbecoming of a professional news organization, and that was really more something worthy of comedy central. >> but it seems to be unbecoming of a presidential candidate. what looked like with donald trump is that he was petulant and small and petty and his argument over who the moderator was with fox news and he won't show up and they won't have any ratings and won't make any money. and it put donald trump at the

center of it instead of the country. people deserve to see candidates side by side, debating the issues and he decided not to do that. i suspect because now people understand donald trump's real record and his support of democrats and his views on, at least his past on at least his s on partial birth abortions, tarp, on and on. imagine the video they would have played last night for donald trump had he been there, and i think that's what he was trying to avoid. >> i think all those videos are playing all across iowa right now. he did address some of his past issues. i think it was senator ted crews that wrote the legal brief supporting barack obama plan. >> that's not true. >> but i will say this. mr. trump understands something that a lot of republicans today don't understand. the fight for this country isn't just in party affiliation or party lines. it's also with the mainstream media. if you can't take on the media, it doesn't matter who we elect as our nominee, because the fight is much bigger than that. >> he wane on the stage, he doesn't get to debate the

issues. his fight was with megyn kelly and he was afraid to face the issues. donald -- cruz faced those issues and he did well. >> mr. trump attended six debates. he has held the most forums. what's coming out of the cruz campaign is frustration. for a very long time, he's been trying to get attention and it's failing. the poll numbers are dropping, we're seeing more hostility. >> they're not dropping, but because the fox news poll that came out was based on the idea that 235,000 people to the caucuses. >> i'm going to leave it there. it's starting to get interesting here. i've got a time clock. i want you guys back hopefully sunday or monday. good to see you both. >> thank you. >> the latest next, stay with us. busy day.

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you know, the state department today was going to release the last batch of e-mails that hillary clinton put on her server, you know what they announced? they announced there is some e-mails we cannot release. you know why? because they are so sensitive to release them would be so damaging, they are so highly classified, they cannot release it. this is unacceptable. this is a disqualifier.

>> yes, marco rubio was in clinton iowa. america ca pohow much of this i baked in with democratic caucus goers? >> i think it has an impact. friday before the caucus. you're making final closing arguments and what you end up doing is not talking about your plan to talk about middle class americans, you're explaining why this is an issue that shouldn't hurt you. it's a huge opportunity. a cumulative effect too. but there comes a point where you kind of reach a tipping point. i don't know where this is at, but enormously unhelpful, particularly what matters on monday, turnout are people enthusiastic to bother to go out. >> you wonder, what does it do to enthusiasm. >> i know what it does for the

republicans. this is like an inn kind contribution. it's hillary clinton that gave it to them. this wouldn't have happened had she not made the decision she made. >> it's true. watching bernie sanders, he's trying to make an ee leck ability argument, he has taken it off the table. she comes with built in unfavorables. she comes with extra baggage. >> one of her big arguments is i'm electable and he's not. the polls don't back it up. it's hard to find the hard evidence at the moment. this does reminds people, it's kind of the clinton drama, do we want to go back to that, are there more things that we'll discover if we nominate her and the general election is underway. it has to be the one of the things that some democrats may think in the back of their mind. >> her argument to them and what some dooemts will say, there is always something with the clintons, and never what you think it's going to be. >> in the end, after we get out of iowa and out of new hampshire, there is not a whole

lot of polling that's going to show sanders is going to destroy her elsewhere. florida, she's killing him. so this is probably going to be more of a general election issue, assuming it survives, and all signs show it will survive into the next if you months. >> fbi investigation. let me shift gears. two florida candidates, you're here because you have to cover the florida candidates. when donald trump is not on the stage, jeb bush is comfortable in his skin. >> he said yesterday without the beautiful bully on the stage, it looked like his best debate he had. not a game changer. >> that's true and obviously jeb had rubio from the left on immigration. rubio/cruz, there seems to be something happening with rubio

here or why would cruz be spending so much money? >> i don't think they like each other. if there a surprise monday night, it will be mark yoe rubio. it's conceivable that he would go into second place. but the fact is, we know that there can be big shifts in the final days before the caucuses. you never went want to be too sure that you know what's going to happen, because you know what, we don't. >> tough to bet against organization. cruz has the organization. >> right. the other thing is that cruz knows, he needs to kill marco rubio in the crib, because once rubio gets to new hampshire, he's going to be left to the wolves of john kasich. >> if he got second out of here, that's a slingshot. that becomes, that's a story that probably obliterates. >> hence the negative ads. >> a come back kid story. remember, bookland finished second in new hampshire, he made

it look like a victory because it was such a surprise. >> four days left and real excitement. stay warm. it's going to be fun. we'll be back here in des moines throughout the weekend, a "meet the press" daily throughout the air. the big boy show, local nbc station and then on sunday night, two extra hours of mtp, but right now, "with all due respect" starts right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john helemann. >> iowa caucus goers, put away the phones, pay attention to the candidates and experience the caucuses for god's sake. happy friday, sports