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can bernie sanders turn a new hampshire blowout into a national movement? >> what leadership is about is not just swimming with the current. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders are with us this morning. and bern your enthusiasm. was that bernie sanders on "snl" last night or larry david or both? >> pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. >> i'm chuck todd in manchester, new hampshire joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning, msnbc's chris matthews, nbc's andrea mitchell, hallie jackson and radio talk show host, hugh hewitt. trump, sanders, clinton and the latest numbers. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> from manchester, new hampshire, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. here we are, right here in new

hampshire site of tuesday. primary. right here in nbc news' fabulous new hampshire headquarters, two days before what may be among the most important days in american politic this year. and last night's republican debate, our "the washington post" colleague put it, marco rubio hit a wall named chris christie. >> this notion of barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not true. >> there it is. >> he knows exactly -- >> there it is, the memorized 25-second speech. >> and it only got worse from there for rubio. we'll have much more on the debate later this morning. joining us today, three candidates who are all counting on tuesday to help send them to the nomination and perhaps on to the white house. republican donald trump, and the two candidates vying for the democratic nod, bernie sanders and hillary clinton. but before we get to the interviews, take a look at the very latest tracking polls this morning. cnn/wmr, trump with a big lead 33% followed by rubio, cruz, kasich, bush, in that order. for what it's worth, rubio's

momentum appears to have stopped, and that's before the debate factored in. for the democrats, this poll has sanders up big, 58/35 over clinton. though worth noting clinton picked up seven points in last few days. this morning umass 7 news tracking poll, they have trump with a big lead 36%. and the order below him, rubio, cruz, bush and kasich. the democratic side, they have a race close, sanders with 17-point lead, 57/40. that is up slightly from yesterday's poll. one thing to remember about new hampshire it's the graveyard of pollsters. my interview with donald trump in a few minutes. but we'll been quwith the democrats. you liked that graveyard of pollsters. >> twice in '92 and 2008. i know i'm behind and i'm going to keep fighting until the very last vote is counted because i care about this primary. >> why do you think you started

with such a big deficit this time considering -- look, this has been a big state to both your husband and yourself. very important. they always help you. >> well, look, i can't sit here and analyze all of the reason. the senator has been in public life next door 25 year there's a familiarity with him. i totally respect that. i think that what's great about this primary is new hampshire voters tack a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, look. yesterday as i was crisscrossing from one side of the state to the other, talking to voterser i literally had people say you changed my mind. who knows. this is what's so exciting about the primary, chuck. i came in in 2008, as i recall, 16 points behind. i remember the night before the primary in '92, bills pollster saying you're in single digits, it's over. who knows? i love this excitement. i'm going to fight as hard as i can. but i'm having a great time,

whatever happens. >> the debate, the foreign policy section is one you wanted to highlight because you felt as if he didn't do so well. you brought up secretary of state madeleine albright to talk about it. some of the things you said about senator obama's readiness on foreign policy, very similar to what you said about bernie sanders in '08 you said, i have a life of experience i will bring to the white house. i know senator mccain has a l e lifetime of experience he will bring. senator obama had a speech in 2002, similar when you said, you had one vote on the iraq war. what's the difference between what you said about then-senator obama and what you're saying about senator sanders. >> a very big difference. in 2008 senator obama had really done his homework in the senate, he had been there by that time a few years. he had developed a network of advisers on national security and foreign policy issues. they were very diligent and

focused on making sure he was ready, that he had as broad a set of views as possible. and they really went toe to toe with all of the people supporting me. that's not happening in this campaign. there really isn't any kind of foreign policy network that is supporting and advising senator sanders. i'll let him speak for himself. i think what's important is this job requires you to be ready in all aspects on the first day. and we know we've got a particularly complex world right now and the president's not owing to have the time. maybe previous presidents in past years could have more leeway because of the way the world functioned. but now it's north korea with the missile test, russia aggression, enforcing the iran agreement. >> you think the iraq vote should matter to voters. >> voters are perfectly free to take into account anything they

want to take. i hope they'll take the rest of the record. i was involved in the biggest counterterrorism decision in the obama administration, to determine whether or not to go after bin laden. i did put the sanctions on iran to get them to the negotiating table. i think that this is a debate that the voters really have to pay attention to because it is choosing both the president and a commander in chief. >> do you believe if it wasn't for the iraq war we wouldn't have isis today? >> well, i think that's a hard conclusion to draw because, remember, we had al qaeda before we had isis. al qaeda attacked us in new york, al qaeda attacked our embassies in africa. >> the argument is the inability in iraq is what has created this and if we -- if saddam hussein were still there we wouldn't have isis. >> i think that's a lot of jumps in logic to me doesn't really add up. iraq war, there's no doubt, contributed to instability. i'm not going to any any way deny that. about you cannot draw a direct

line. what you can do is to say jihadist terrorism starting with al qaeda and moving on to its latest incarnations, most particularly isis, is in response to a number of forces and factors that are royaling up the middle east and certainly fighting for what islam means and how it's going to be presented and what people are going to mean when they talk about it. so, yeah, we've got -- we've got a much bigger set of problems. >> all right. another thing to follow up on the debate, senator sanders called the entire business model of wall street a fraud. we didn't get a chance to ask you to respond directly to that critique. i'd like to ask you to respond to it now. >> i think it's the kind of extreme statement that once you really take a hard look at it, it's hard to understand. you know, when you talk about wall street are we talking about every bank or a particular part of new york? that's never really clarified.

what i believe is that there are good actors and bad actors in every part of our economy. the job of the president is to weed out and prevent the bad actors from disrupting economic activity, from amassing too much power and influence. but we live in a complex, global economy where we've got to have a good banking system that is able to service the american economy. and it needs to be more than just looking at the five banks that are the big banks. we have to have a much more robust community banking system, regional banking system, other forms of credit access. and that's what i am advocating for. and i still do not understand why i'm having this problem getting senator sanders to join me in going after what are the potential problems that are out there, the shadow banking sector and the investment and hedge fund sector. >> do you -- can you have a treasury secretary who isn't

familiar with how wall street works? i say this because i think there's so much distrust right now. >> there is, there it is. >> six of the last treasury secretaries either came from wall street or went to wall street after. i think there's certainly now isn't an appetite for someone from wall street to be a secretary. >> you have to have a treasury secretary who understands the economy. there are places for one can look. >> you think you can pick them without having a wall street background. >> i want somebody who can make a good commitment to work with me to get the economy moving, to get more good jobs created, to get incomes rising to look out over the horizon at economic problems out there. we've got to figure out what we're going to do with china. china is having to come to grips with the fact growth may not have been on a firm foundation as we would hope. we need people in government who have that kind of commitment and

understanding but we've got to put the needs of the american economy first and that's going to be my commitment. >> before i let you go, i want to ask about a comment former secretary of state madeleine albright said, i've heard her say before but it sort of rang differently to a lot of people. she said there's a special place in hell for women who don't help women. but the implication is, somehow if you're a democratic woman and not supporting you, what's wrong with you? do you want the vote to be decided on gender lines like this. >> look, as your -- as you remember, madeleine has been saying this for many years. >> starbucks cups, i get that. >> she believes it firmly. and in part because she knows what a struggle it has been. and she understands the struggle is not over. so i don't want people to be offended by what she is expressesiexpres expresses as -- >> you understand why someone might be offended. >> good grief, we're getting

offended by everything. people can't say anything without offending somebody. she has a life experience i respect. i admire her greatly. and i think what she was trying to do, which she's done in every setting i've ever seen her in going back 20-plus years, to remind young women, particularly, that you know this struggle which many of us have been part of is not over. and don't be in any way lulled by the progress we've made. and i think it was a lighthearted but very pointed remark which people can take however they choose. >> all right. what do you got in the super bowl. >> i don't have anybody right now. >> anybody? >> i'm going to flint michigan. i'm worrying about the kids in flint, michigan trying to figure out what they're going to do to make sure they're not damaged. >> you could have gone wednesday. >> i love new hampshire. the mayor asked me to come. this was the earliest we could get it done. i'm hopeful congress, which is

trying to work in a bipartisan way, will come up with some funding to deal with these problems that have afflicted the community and i'm going to keep doing everything i can to help them there secretary clinton, i know you've got a plane to catch. >> thanks. great to talk to you. >> i spoke with senator bernie sanders from new york where he was preparing to appear on "saturday night live." i want to start with reviews from the debate. first the debate on wall street, good reviews. but on foreign policy, i want to put up headlines, not so good. "boston globe," sanders flunks on foreign policy "the washington post," bernie sanders trips up on foreign policy during dem debate. new repub luck, bernie sanders can do better on foreign policy than bringing up hillary clinton's iraq vote. how do you respond to that? >> well, you know, time after time, when we have had these debates, the pundits keep thinking that hillary clinton wins the debates but somehow the people do not and we did very well in iowa.

i think we're doing well in new hampshire. i think we're doing well nationally. look, there's no question that hillary clinton has a great deal of experience regarding foreign policy. she was our secretary of state for four years. that gives her a lot of experience. but it is not just experience that matters. it is judgment. and i think that we have the judgment in terms of what we should do with isis right now that we should learn the lesson of the iraq war, which i vigorously opposed, which means that we cannot, chuck, do it alone. i will do everything that i can to make sure that our young men and women in the military do not get sucked into a perpetual warfare in the quagmire of the middle east. >> but the concern, i think, is not about your policy on isis. let me play for you something secretary of state pad lynn albright said on saturday. take a listen.

>> i've been very concerned about his lack of knowledge. most people know how many dictators north korea has. i have spent an awful lot of time on the hill in a variety of ways, i've gone up and down briefings and all kinds of things. unless he looked totally different at the time he has never been to any briefing. >> look, let me stipulate, madeleine albright a supporter of hillary clinton. okay. she was brought up here by the hillary clinton campaign to talk about this. >> i -- i have been -- >> the level of interest you have on foreign policy. >> chuck, chuck, it goes without saying, number one, i have been to briefing after briefing after briefing, you know, in fact, just a couple of weeks ago when i visited with the president be one of the things that we talked about was iran and foreign policy. it is obviously an enormously important part of what being a president is about.

now i don't really know this, maybe the answer is different, tell me what madeleine albright's position was on the war in iraq. >> right. i -- well -- i don't know. >> i wouldn't be surprised if she supported that. so you know, the issue here is not just experience. the issue is judgment. i voted against the first gulf war, which history will record as the right vote. i led the opposition against the war in iraq, which history will also record as being the right thing. clearly, clearly, foreign policy is enormously important. and i will tell you this also, chuck, if you go back to 2008, this is exactly what the clinton people were doing to senator barack obama. they were attacking him, he didn't have the experience, and et cetera, et cetera. i am absolutely confidence that if elected president, we will have a very strong foreign policy for the american people. >> i think to alleviate some

concerns, how about -- i know you didn't tell me the other night when i asked who your foreign policy advisers are. give me a few names of people you would end up considering as a secretary of state or a secretary of defense. >> i think it's premature to talk about who you ur secretary of defense is going to be. i will tell you that we have met recently with people like larry corp, who worked in the reagan administration, talked to people like jim zogby, talked to the people on j. street to get a broad perspective of the middle east. and i've been meeting with a whole lot of people. but let me reassure the american people, despite what they're hearing from madeleine albright, that it goes without saying, that a president must be well-versed in foreign policy, must have a strong foreign policy position, and i will, of course, do that. >> let me move on to something else you said from the debate. it was a tough charge.

you said, you yourself said this was going to be a tough charge when you said it, the business model of wall street is fraud. boy, that was a broad brush. and i was thinking about the fact that there's a lot of union pension funds that are invested in wall street, 30%, in many of them when you look -- i was looking up some of these things. a lot of 401(k)s, retirement based on investments in wall street. it seems to me, if you believe it's a fraud, you would not like to see money invested in something based on a fraud. >> look, chuck, what i said i believed to be true. a few weeks ago, as you know, goldman sachs reached a settlement with the united states government for $5 billion. $5 billion. why? and the answer is, obviously, they were defrauding investors in terms of selling subprime mortgage packages that were

worthless. now, that's my definition of fraud. and other major banks also have received paid huge settlement fines to the federal government. and what really burns the american people up is after paying $5 billion in a settlement agreement, none of these people, none of the executives on wall street, get charged with anything. kid gets caught with marijuana gets a police record. no police report for executives. do i believe that the business model of wall street is fraud? i think the answer, obviously, is, of course it is. >> quickly, super bowl sunday. who do you got, sir? >> maybe the broncos. >> all right. that's who you're rooting for or who will win? >> rooting for the new england patriots but i'm afraid that's not going to happen. >> back in a moment with the republican race. and my sit-down a few minutes ago with donald trump.

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snow on tuesday on voting day. broadcasting from the nbc news headquarters here in new hampshire an unbelievable setting that we have here. just about anybody who is in politic, reports on politics or cares about politics has decided to spend the last days of about the primary just outside our doors. it was easy to grab four of the best journalists this morningen chris matthews, host of "hardball" here for many new hampshire primaries. chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. hallie jackson, also with nbc, covering the cruz campaign. and radio talk show host, hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show. let's focus on last night's republican debate. wow! marco rubio look at these headlines, "new york times," gop rivals jab at rubio. rubio endures an assault in a rollicking gop debate. rubio rattled. the "boston herald," i don't

have that, choked with rubio. this race good reshuffled last night. >> donald trump won tuesday because he did not lose saturday. kasich pole vaulted being affable and new hampshire. i'm a contrarian on rubio. he won all of the debate except three minutes, that will push him back. a terrific second half. i think he'll get the bronze tuesday night. >> chris? >> that's good. the only problem is videotape. and it exists. >> three minutes. >> strange moment. >> let me pause. let's play the video tap. look at this. it is rough. >> let's dispel what the fiction ma that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. dispel with the fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not true. >> there it is. there it is. the memorized 25-second speech. >> we are not facing a president that doesn't know what he's doing. he knows what he is doing.

anyone who believes that barack obama isn't doing what he's doing on purpose doesn't understand what we're doing. >> reminded me of the science fiction film "blade runner." there was i replica, not a human being. it was strange, reading prerecorded statements like implanted memory tracks. they were in the a human response. and i think he's got to answer for it. it was so strange, i have no idea why he did it. >> every candidate has lines they repeat. we've all been to a million stump speech. marco rubio's mistake getting up on the stage rivals leveling that attack against him and doing it nonetheless. >> four times same line. >> this morning, people marco robot toe kos sums showed up. >> my gosh. >> some 500 people showed up 45 minutes before doors open, trying to spin this into a positive. short term, talking about this, super bowl tonight, do people

care into tuesday. >> this is the super bowl of politic tops repeat over and over again one-liners, in front of your rivals, and the audience. >> who are already bouncing. >> already calling him in the boy in the bubble and diminishing him, trying to diminish him, it hits him right in his most vulnerable point. >> christie telegraphed this three days. this was obvious it was coming. and this is how they prepared. >> running a general election campaign before he secured the nomination. on twitter, every democrat is eager to bury marco rubio because they are afraid of marco rubio. they are desperately afraid of him. therefore, i think what we got is a south carolina brouhaha that will follow this mix-up and it will go to the convention. it's going to be an open convention. rubio's not going away. >> was there logic to doing it four times in a row. >> yes. >> why? >> talking to me, he's talking to republicans about barack obama. >> the same words over and over. >> he's going to run the general election campaign. barack obama knew what he was

doing to the country. democrats hate that -- >> he could do it over he would repeat the sam lines four times in a row. >> he ought to have folded back on christie a second time. >> why? >> his staff had trained him and hehood learned to be disciplined. >> his staff trained him. >> they're playing to the base here. >> being staff-trained is not what candidates need to show on that stage. they need to show that they are a functioning brain. this is a very smart man. >> who we're not talking about donald trump or ted cruz. >> true. >> that was stunning. i out in jeb bush hat one of his best moments with donald trump on the issue of eminent domain. a quick highlight. >> what donald trump did was use eminent domain take the property of an elderly woman. that is downright wrong. >> a lot of times you'll -- it doesn't work. >> how tough does it take to

take property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk. quiet. a lot of times -- a lot of times -- that's all of his donors and special interests out there. >> it was a fascinating moment because i think the issue is bad for trump here but i thought his retort there was probably good for here. >> the physical -- the body language. you know, shhh, he was so pat n patroni patronizing. >> jeb stood up. a different jeb. it wasn't the jeb of three months ago who melted. >> his mom was out here telling him he needs to interrupt more and be less polite, that's what you're seeing. for trump he doesn't like to be booed. he got booed four times in two minutes during that exchange. i asked do you think you came off at a bully? he said bush tries to be tough but he's not tough. >> bush had his best night. it's true. additional advantage of being true. republicans hate eminent domain. >> yes. >> it's a real question of

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♪ welcome back. welcome back, it was quite a debate last night as ron burgundy might have said, that escalated quickly. next guest, donald trump, wants to rebound from the iowa loss and take new hampshire to hang on to his front-runner status. mr. trump joins me now. welcome back to "meet the press." >> coming in second and maybe first a loss? >> you tell me. let me ask you. >> i'll tell you what.

>> let me ask you, how much do you need a new hampshire win? >> i don't think i need it. i hope that i get it. i'm do well. i have a great relationship with the people of new hampshire. i've been here long before politics. i have many friends that live up here. an incredible area. a beautiful area. i would say that i would like to win but i don't know that it's necessary. when you say the iowa -- i came in second out of, you know, originally 17 people, there are those that say i came in first, depending how you want to count the votes, to be honest. that was a horrible thing that took place. i was very proud of iowa and i had never done it before. >> do you not accept the iowa results. >> i think what happened -- unfortunate lp it was very unfair to ben and unfair to me. it affected me the same way it affected ben. votes were added on, a tremendous number of votes were added on. is and a strong second. but i'm not thinking about iowa, i'm thinking new hampshire. i don't care about it anymore. >> i can't help but notice you're humble, a little humbled

by what happened in iowa, fair to say? >> well, i don't think in terms of it. i worked hard there. i really liked iowa. i liked the people of iowa. the caucus system is a very complex system and a lot of things can go off with the caucus system. i like this system better in new hampshire where you go out, you like somebody, you vote. and you can have a ground game and all but the ground game in iowa is very important where the ground game here is very important. >> you looking at campaign, maybe i ought to do traditional things in addition to nontraditional stuff that's been success it'll. >> yeah. that is true. you'll see it here. very important we get through the debate because i didn't want a bad debate or a modest debate. i think we did very well in the debate. >> some of your iowa staatisfy said we could have used more resources here. >> totally wrong. i gave them unlimited money. do what you have to do. i'm $50 million under budget. i thought by this time i'd have $40 million $50 million spend

and i spent very little because i haven't had to. people like you put me on all the time. what do i need a commercial for? i thought i'd be up to $45 million $50 million and i'm not. i look at jeb bush, he spent over $100 million and he's nowhere, i say how did that happen? >> last night's debate. i want to play something you said that raised eyebrows, it was about waterboarding. here it is. >> i would bring back waterboarding and i'd back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. >> okay. what's the worst? >> you didn't see what i said before that. what i said before that was, in the middle east, you have people chopping off other people's heads. those hasn't happened since medieval times. . never been anything like this. i talked -- >> interesting. >> waterboarding is peanuts compared to what we're talking about happening here. so i said, i would absolutely approve waterboarding and i'd go further than waterboarding. >> what is a lot further. >> i'm not going to define it to you on this program but i would

be very much in favor of going beyond waterboarding. believe me in terms of getting information, it works. >> don't you worry, though, that look we're the united states, we set an example, we're supposed to be better than that, we're supposed to be as much as -- look, we're looking at medieval. we don't do those things. >> medieval times. >> it they want to be barbaric, we're not barbaric. >> when they flew planes into the world trade center and kill millions, and paris, here, anywhere else, you can do water boarding and a step beyond waterboarding it wouldn't bother me a little bit. >> another part of the debate had to do with health care. you've been hit on this. it is unclear to me, though, you want more government -- you want some sort of government system on health care. >> yeah. >> you don't like the system now, that, i understand. >> not single payer. >> describe the system you want. >> first of all, what i do, i have a massive company, thousands of employees and i

have many different states. you have at artificial lines around each state. the insurance companies take care of the poll significance. if you get rid of the lines you'd have great private insurance and take care of most people, an unbelievable thing. in addition, you can do the savings situation where you would have health care savings accounts and it would be fantastic. so many things you can done the problem is the insurance companies don't want to do these things and they don't want to specifically get rid of the lines because they'd rather have a monopoly in new york, as an example, than let 50 companies come in and bid, companies from iowa, companies from p in new hampshire. >> but you have to structure a government program to deal with this. >> no. here's what you do. you have a great system. but there will be people left that don't have any money. and what i said last night is, i don't want people dying in the middle of the street. it not going to happen if i'm president, okay. this isn't singer payer. this is using hospital tos take care of people, work it out,

reimburse the hospital. >> expand medicaid. >> you can do it through medicaid. you can do it through some other way. but i'm just saying, very -- this has nothing to do -- thises that to do with humanity. this has to do with having a heart. we can have unbelievable insurance at a much lower cost. i don't know if you know, obamacare is going up, 35, 45%, 55%. in '17 it collapses. you're going to have people, great plans but people won't be able to afford ten cents. we cannot let them die in the streets, chuck, and we'll take care of them. whether it's medicaid or, or, either work out some deal with hospitals to take care of these people. but if i'm president, people aren't going to be dying in the streets. >> withere was a tough piece th week in the "the washington post" implying your campaign and that you individually are tougher on women correspondents, anchors, reporters than men. >> really?

>> in "the post" trump's penchanter to insulting people and organizations that displease him is well known. lesser remarked upon, however, has been the special contempt that trump has for the women who chronicle his campaign. >> i've been tougher on you. >> my wife believes that, too. >> no. i'm tougher on you than anybody. >> there's a perception out there. how you get rid of the perception? perhaps it's the megyn kelly -- >> it was a setup question. it wasn't a question. it was a statement. it was inappropriate and i hit her hard and i think that's fine. you gave me that question, i'd hit you the same way. you are the perfect one to -- you -- you have been -- you know under fire for me for a long time and you are far from a woman. that, i can tell you. >> that is a fact. thanks. look -- >> no, no, i never heard this. i haven't seen the report. >> you haven't seen the report? >> i get so much publicity i don't get to read everything, unfortunate knitly.

in "the washington post"? >> it's in "the washington post." >> look, i think -- there are some women -- there's one sitting right over there in the beautiful red dress, you see that woman over there? >> well -- >> i have great respect for that woman. i don't know if she knows i'm talking about her. i'm talking about you. i would never do that. >> believe referring to andrea mitchell. >> referring to andrea. >> one final thing here, we're running out of time number 1999 when you talked about running for president. >> right. >> you hinted that it may be easier to pledge being a one-term president because you take the politics out of the second term. you still feel that way? >> i think there are certain advantages but if you're doing a great job -- i've seen people do that and want to do further and want to do more. good people -- and they never win because people say they said one term and you know it's a negative. i don't want to say that but there are certain advantages. we're doing great and the people le like me -- we're going to make america great again. we'll make the military strong, take care of vets, have strong

borders, we will have the wall. health care we'll take care of, get rid of obamacare, great plans for less money. make america great again. i will tell you, if we're doing a great job, we'll keep going. we're not, we have automatic termination, it's calls voters will terminate but that won't happen. >> you're not doing a one-term pledge. >> no, i'm not doing a one-term pledge. no. if i'm doing a good job, i'll keep going. >> when we come back -- what do the iowa results tell us about what may happen in new hampshire? it's a lot but it may be not what you think. >> i think we know enough to say with some certainty that new hampshire tonight has made bill clinton the comeback kid. ears and by taking chantix, i was able to quit in 3 months and that was amazing. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it absolutely reduced my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior,

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welcome ba welcome back. let's bring back the panel. we'll talk about the democratic race. let's put comp significant together of the harsh attacks that they've been exchanging. here it is. >> being part of the establishment is, is in the last quarter, having a super pac that raised $15 million from wall street. >> i think it's time to end the very artful smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out. >> i have been criticized for saying that i believe all of our

people are entitled to health care. yes, i plead guilty. >> if you look at a lot of what senator sanders is proposing, the numbers just don't add up. >> what leadership is about is not just swimming with the current. >> this is an effort by the sanders campaign to basically say, anybody who has ever taken a donation, not just from wall street, if you take it to the natural conclusion from anybody, is bought and paid for. >> i want to start this conversation on a larger topic, chris, that you and i were talking about offcamera yesterday and that is what's fascinating about the democratic race, it's the first one in my lifetime that it's been a race to the left. >> yeah. >> event seen that in a long time. used to be the democratic presidential pril mary was about the most electable liberal who could hug the middle and that's the campaign clinton wanted to run. >> it's hard for her to fight him because his elastic use of

the term progressive. progressive covers teddy roosevelt, covered wisconsin and in '48 carried the -- a hard left, pro-soviet, henry wallace breaking with truman saying cold war was our fault. i don't think he means that. but he can come out and get the farthest left voter like cruz can get the farthest right voter and hug that rail. now, hillary, what surprised me why she wanted to go chasing after him. why doesn't she draw the line, three months ago? i'm not a socialist, i don't hate socialists but i'm not one. here's why, fundamentally i believe in the free mark and free enterprise. that's how we became the greatest country in the world because of 0 the freedom. i don't want the government to run everything. >> the party's moved. >> the party has moved. reminds me of 1972, actually. she has lost the base. and she's lost the women. and that is what is so stunning here in new hampshire. >> yeah. >> and they are really -- they can't figure out how to combat

that. so to try to attract young women, whom she lost by such extraordinary numbers in iowa and in the polling so far here, she brings in women senators who by definition are part of the establishment and there's no female marco rubio. you have to be an older woman to become a senator because the deck is so stacked against you. that's just the reality. you've got -- you've got women senators. you've got madeleine albright who, you know validate her foreign policy credentials and the frustration of hillary clinton is why don't young women realize what we went through and how we haven't won the battle and how all of this can be taken back? why aren't they reacting to 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling. >> what's interesting is the appeal, the appeal of bernie

sanders a different kind of electorate. a registered republican for 15 years primary for jeb bush and switch to vote for bernie sanders. she's out there working and volunteering to rally people around sanders because of what he's tapping into that speaks to more broad than typical party lines. >> both parties are racing to their bases. nobody's thinking general election. >> they're going 1972. i'm all for that. >> but, hugh -- the republicans are going '64. >> we have an ability to come back more quickly. i was stunned by your interview with senator sanders. it makes him not viable as a candidate to be that hard left on foreign policy. i did note that donald trump finished the debate by bringing up mrs. clinton's server last night. so you have a terribly unelectable candidate against a candidate who has flaws on her record and honesty. '72, time back. >> everybody will get brutalized. two nominees will be battered and bruised. >> a woman in concord came at

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hugh? i mean, jeb is right, messaged discipline -- i always believed in open convention. i hope i go down to south carolina. w. is coming out to fight for his brother. marco rubio's got to get off of the floor because of the perceived loss last night. it will be fantastic. >> trump at 28%, tuesday night, say 28, 29, and then all of a sudden kasich, bush, rubio, cruz, 17, 16, 15, 14. nobody gets out. why does anybody get out? >> the big difference here in iowa, iowa passion drives you to go to caucus. here you vote as civic duty. everybody votes new hampshire in primaries. when in see rubio they go to somebody else, it's going to be kasich. it's because he sits there as an option. i think kasich's going to do incredibly well because of civic duty. they're not all passionarios. >> kasich had his best debate and he's not been great at debates. >> his campaign feels like they

can do something in south carolina not the whole state but the coast, michigan, that's a long time ago. >> comes in second. >> andrea, south carolina, we thought this -- south carolina's going to be make 2000 look like patty cake, that's what i think. >> first of all, bernie sanders trying to compete for the african-american vote. he's beginning to develop an organization, he's got -- he had the endorsement. you've got the veterans, military. >> republican side i mean. >> republican side, donald trump is playing to the veterans, to the military. i'm not sure kasich can do that. >> trump/kasich ticket what i see. >> i want to bring up a upon that has gotten lost that i think may feed into a perception that we don't cover these things the same. the iowa results, three of the top four candidates on the republican side were two hispanics and an african-american. >> yeah. >> you know, and it -- historic night for the republican party, they're not -- and it's -- >> the party that is old white men is very important.

mary katharine hamm, who lost her husband in august and delivered their second child in november did a terrific job. >> yes. >> take my hat off to her. inspiring. >> absolutely. >> good debate. >> it was a good debate. let's leave on a lighter note. watching "saturday night live" you'd be excused as we were. why two bernie sanders on stage. after talking to me yesterday, senator sanders was live in studio 8h with larry david on a titanic-like boat. here's a clip. >> i am so sick of the 1% getting the preferential treatment. enough is enough! we need to unite and work together if we're all going to get through this. >> sounds like socialism to me! >> democratic socialism. >> what's the difference? >> huge difference.

>> huge? >> huge. >> it was one more punch line there, andrea. he talked about they land on ellis island and he says, you know, my name's bernie sanderswitsky but we'll drop the witsky, sounds less jewish. >> it's funny. we can laugh about that. the other thing that could be history making and they're talk about it is the first jewish president. >> no, but no, more importantly, going to be the first jewish candidate on the democratic side to win delegates here in new hampshire. it's going to happen. there's been history all ov the place. first, first, firsts. and i've been surprised how little coverage there's been. anyway, we did it here on "meet the press." >> talked like this or think like this or get this conversation, our kids don't get it. >> i don't know about that. >> that's it for today. we'll be next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

i am a progressive who gets things done. >> when she announces, she is not a progressive. >> i am excited about really getting into the debate with senator sanders. >> it is great to be against the war after you vote for the war. >> he has voted with the gun lobby. >> enough is enough. >> so i hope we keep it on the issues. >> we were told that my opponent was the inevitable nominee. she doesn't appear quite so inevitable today. >> there is so much at stake in this election. >> so you guy