>> yeah, i agree with that. i gotta say, though, mitt romney made a real showing this week. he made a real -- he did something potent. we're back here monday, thanks for watching. have a great weekend. coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." republicans wage war. let's play "hardball." and good evening, i'm steve kornacki, in for chris matthews, the republican parties aligned against donald trump, continued to wage a desperate effort today to deny him the nomination. one day after the 2012 nominee mitt romney eviscerated trump, calling him a bully, a phony, a fraud, romney made the rounds on television to continue his assault. meanwhile, marco rubio said that trump is scamming the american

people. if he gets the nomination, it will quote, be the end of the modern conservative move maniment. ted cruz said he would bet ray conservatives and he hit back. >> you know in florida, they hate little marco rubio so much. if a guy like little marco becomes president, which i think is unlikely, i think is unlikely, look, when you are rated at 31% like ability in your own state, because he is ter ba terrible, you're going to have a hard time being president. last night, he had a bad night, he lost the debate badly, and but he is at 16, so he is going to go down. so it's trump at 49, little marco rubio 16. cruz, lying ted, lying ted, it's amazing, no matter what you say with ted, he'll change it, he

does whatever he has to do. >> also trump defended the size of his hands, yes, you heard that right. and he rejected calls for him to be presidential. >> when little marco's fuses crap about the size of my hand, which are big, the size of my hands. he made a thing. he says, well, donald trump, has, let's see, what can i say. what can i say. i looked at him and i said, marco, no, i just wanted to -- look at that. those hands can hit a golf ball 285 yards. what? those are good, strong -- i have never been criticizesed about the size of my hands before. i'm saying to myself what's going on here. >> last night's republican debate quickly desended into 2 on 1 wrestling match with cruz and rubio making the case that trump is unfit for the

presidency. >> we're not going to turn over the conservative movement to someo someone whose positions are not conservative. >> if we nominate, we're going to spend the spring, summer and fall facing a fraud trial. >> stop it. >> it's a minor civil case. >> donald, learn not to interrupt. it's not complicated. count to ten, donald. >> he is something that he is not, in exchange for their money. >> this little guy has lied so much. >> here we go. >> about my record. >> here we go. >> if in fact you went to manhattan and said i'm lying to the american people and the voters have a right to know. >> you're the lying guy up here. excuse me, i've given my answer, lying ted, i've given my answer. >> the cruz and rubio argument for most of the debate is that trump must be stopped in order to save the country and to save the conservative movement. and yet, at the end of that debate, both of those candidates

were asked if they would ultimately support trump if he wins the republican nomination. and all three of thinks rivals said yes. >> can you definitively say you will support the republican nominee even if that nominee is donald j. trump? senator rubio, yes or no? >> i'll support the republican nominee. >> yes or no, you'll support donald trump if he is the nominee. >> yes, because i gave my word that i would. >> yeah, but and i kind of think before it's all said and done, i'll be the nominee. >> and i'm joined by john fairy, a republican strategist and michael, a columnist for "the daily beast." john, let me start with you, isn't that the wrong answer from them. aren't they supposed to stand there and say this is an emergency, republicans, this guy will destroy the party. he won't be worth voting for. >> not really. not if they want to ultimately get the nomination and get the trump voters to vote for them.

that's a tricky question, obviously. the rhetoric has been overheated on all sides. on many ways, he's like a don rickles routine. all insult and no policy. but it's a tricky question, because these guys want to be the winner and they know they cannot win without the trump voters and that's their problem. >> doesn't that sort of illustrate the essential problem they have here. i've seen this never trump hashtag. it seems like it's never trump with an as strictiteriskasteris. >> it's never trump but they want the voters and that's tricky. yeah, you know, i don't know how this all ends up, steve. i don't know how they beat trump. i'm not a big trump guy. i think he would be a problem for country. ultimately if the republicans want to unite and beat hillary clinton, they've got to unite. that's what this was about what those guys said, they would vote

for him if they had to. >> on this subject on the two day sho -- today show, a con man, but at the end, he said he would support him. >> we as republicans feel that hillary clinton would be a disaster to the country. that's how bad she is. i would look at a reflection of how bad she is, not how good donald trump is. i don't want a nominee that people have to settle for and that's what we're trying to avoid here. the only way to do is unify a campaign like mine because i can bring the party together. >> jay newton, what do you think of this strategy. we're at a point where cruz and rubio, they're all but admitting if they're going to stop trump, they have to take it to a convention, deny him the first ballot nomination, they have to do things we've never seen before. unprecedented situation right now to deny him the nomination when they say yeah, i'll support him any way, it sounds like they're sending the message, like any other election.

>> i think john is right, they actually have to appeal to vis voters and a path through them. he has brought in millions of new voters into the system. but also, if the entire republican party says dump trump, we don't want trump, anybody but trump and then he actually gets more votes than anybody else and gets the nomination, what is to stop him from leaving the party and forming his own party. so there a very delicate balance where you don't want him to split the party. they're kind of, the party splits in so many different ways, like so many different paths where the party is going to split if he does stay, if he isn't the nominee. so they're all trying to carefully figure out a way to stay together and some sort of cohesion around a nominee whether it's donald trump or somebody else. that's delegate. >> for the record, he was also asked last night would you support rubio or cruz, but he

did ultimately say he would, take it for what it's worth. mitt romney talking about the attacks on donald trump. he continued them today, calling trump unfit for office. >> well there is no question, i'm going to do everything in the political bounds to make sure we don't nominate donald trump. he would be terribly unfit for office. he doesn't have the temperament to be president. i want to see one of the other three be the nominee. i think after march 15th, i think you'll see it narrowed down opposing donald trump and i intend to support one of them. >> matt lauer asked if he would consider accepting the nomination himself. >> under any circumstances would you part of this presidential race as a candidate? >> no circumstances i can foresee where that would possibly happen. >> michael, i'll trying to figure this out. he waits until donald trump wins ten states, makes a statement,

i'm not endorsing candidates, i think i'll endorse one after march 15th. everybody is looking at march 15th and say this could be over march 15th. >> they've all left it late. first steve, i want to get my t two spents. certainly kasich, who came in third and had a clean shot, he should have said i will not support this guy. he would have had all the headlines today, if he had said that. distinguishing himself. >> corner the market on that part of the party, right? >> exactly, exactly. i think it was a terrible mistake. i was flabbergasted. now back to romney, i don't think romney really wants to have the nomination. i know it's a more fun answer to say he does. he would like to be president, but i don't think he again wants to do what you have to do and contemplate running against hillary clinton and looking it he electoral map which will loom exactly as it loomed for him in

2012 against barack obama. i don't think he really wants to do it. i think he wants to try and have influence and be some kind of party savior, which i don't know. has to keep this up, you know, permanently basically. >> when you take the kinds of shots at donald trump that mitt romney is taking, you are going to get donald trump returning fire. this is what trump said back to romney today. let's watch. this guy romney came out yesterday. i mean, the hatred he has. the hatred. the jealousy, the hatred. it's hard to believe. i jokingly said that, because i don't like romney. i don't like him. he thinks he is hot stuff. i hate people that think they're hot stuff, and they're nothing. romney is a bitter man. he looks like a bitter man. he is attacking really your front-runner by a lot. and he wanted to run.

and he was going to run, and i put up with it long enough. and i said look, you can't let him run. he is a joke artist. nasty. he is a nasty guy. like a spoiled brat. >> i'm listening to this, and i'm thinking back to jeb bush, jeb bush seemed like the perfect foil for donald trump. the legacy candidate, politician and trump destroyed him. and romney, the son of a former governor, a lot of the same pedigree there, same kind of attack now. >> yeah, and you know, the problem with jeb is he didn't look like he was enjoying it. he looked like he was at a funeral, his own politically. but romney, you know, you have to bring some zest to this. you have to be ready to go toe to toe with the guy and trade insults. rubio has been good at it. it has debased our discourse. >> has rubio gotten anything out of it? has it been worth anything? >> doesn't look like it so far. >> yeah, meanwhile, conservative

columnist peggy noonan rights they might be able to put themselves back together. we're seeing a great political party shatter before our eyes. i was witnessing something bigger than 1976, bigger than 1964, when goldwater swept the primaries and convention and lost the country. if party forces succeed in getting him out of the nomination, his supporters will bolt, which will break the party. it's hard to see what kind of special sauce enduring loyalty would make them come back in the future. watching that debate last night, i started to get that impression too. this a party that really, there a wedge going right down the middle here, in either side is not going to want to accept the results of this primary. >> you know, i disagree with that fundamentally. i think the republican party is strong. we have more legislative seats. it doesn't look good at the presidential level, but donald

trump is not leading a movement. he is a celebrity for a campaign for himself. >> a campaign for him, but a campaign against the republican party, and its establishment that we know? >> well, listen, it's a -- not really. not at the state level. that's not happening at the state level. if you look at congress. more seats than ever before. this is not going to break the party. i think there a lot of hibit ab breaking the party. in many ways, he is unifying the party against him. i think the thoughts of the death of the republican party are very much exaggerated. >> jay, short on time, what do you make of that? >> i think this is the end of the republican party they made several years ago when they decided to harness all this anger and they're riding a bull and that bull is equally is apt to kill them as to kill the other side. the bull is essentially bucking

them and saying no way. it's going to be hard to not get hurt. >> thanks all for joining us. and we are going to have plenty more on the 2016 races coming up. but next, we have, believe it or not, breaking news in the o.j. simpson case. los angeles police saying they're running tests on a knife found years ago on the simpson estate. cpac conference, that is not sitting well with the hard right. also, inside the numbers on the battle for delegates. that all important fight. ted cruz, marco rubio, john kasich, want to stop trump from the nomination and force a contested convention in cleveland this summer. that may be easier said than done. finally, on the eve of the super saturday primaries and caucuses, the "hardball" round table will tell us something we don't know about a very wild campaign.

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and welcome back to "hardball." we should tell you, this is not a tape you're watching from 1995. there is a potential new development in the o.j. simpson murder case. the los angeles police department announcing today a police officer turned over a knife that supposedly was found at the former simpson estate. here is lapd spokesman andy myman today >> he was working in the area of

the rockingham estate. a construction worker provided him with the knife and claimed it was found on the property. he held on to it until just recently, when we discovered that he had it. it has been submitted to our lab. they are going to study it and examine it for all forensics, including sirolgoy and dna. >> telling nbc news the knife will be tested but that it is not consistent with the weapon used in the murder. in june of 1994, simpson's ex-wife, nicole brown simpson and her friend ron were found murdered. he was a heisman trophy winner, media star. he was charged with the double murder and police allowed him to turn himself in, leading to a two-hour police chase. it was carried live as the nba

finals played out. i remember watching that. it was closely followed. took almost a year before he was acquitted. he explained today since no one has ever been found guilty of the murder, it remains an active case. >> the bottom line is that with all cases that remain open, such as the o.j. simpson and other murder cases and robbery cases, unless there is an actual arrest or conviction to prove that we have actually closed the case, the cases remain open. and joining me now correspondent kelly o'donnell in the "washington post" senior editor, mark fisher. they both covered the simpson trial more than 20 years ago. kelly, you're probably having flashbacks. i think all of america is seeing this news. what is your take on this? do you think this is a red herring discovered here, we've learned something new and valuable today? >> it's been such an open question for all these years, what was the murder weapon, where is it.

when i first heard it, it really seemed like a tantalizing possibility. now as we hear, some of the characteristics don't match what the forensics showed with the two victims, it certainly would seem like an unlikely possibility. but it does reawaken the mystery surrounding this case. i went back to look at my files, steve, and i was drawn back to some of the old newspaper clippings from the time that i kept. i've got the transcript of his first interview with police. a lot of things that took me back to that time. it is so captivated the nation on so many levels, that to have some new tidbit, some possibility, was really quite captivating today. there have been other times when there were reports of a possible link to evidence and the case. for example, in chicago, where simpson had flown on the night of the murders, took a flight to chicago and they looked at a potential sort of drainage ditch

there with a report of a knife. so it has been something that has happened before. the fact that it was on his personal property and the home was sold in 1998, and then the owner, not wanting the notoriety, all of the attention, knocked the house down and that apparently is where the construction site, at the simpson property brings us to this development today. to think someone would have held on to a knife with a possible link for all this time also adds to the drama. so it has been quite a journey back in time. to be reminded how some of the issues that were so prevalent then, in terms of police conduct, race and money and power, all of that is in many ways still relevant today. steve. >> kelly, i love that you brought the newspaper too. i can see the yellowing on it that you start to get after the years. you're right. nightly o.j. simpson specials on television. the trial everyday of it, everybody was watching it. i remember that so well. one of the things, mark, i

remember, the day of the acquittal, was in my high school art class. i remember this. we had to convince the teacher to turn a radio on so we could heard the verdict and they exploded when that announced that. as soon as it was over, original o.j. and his team said we can hunt for the real killers. a lot of people made fun of it because they thought he did it all along. they never kind of stopped looking at him. >> well, certainly there has been a presumption among many police and prosecutors that he was guilty and got off and that's what started this enormous racial rift over the o.j. simpson case which plays out today as kelly mentioned. but that day, speaking of newspapers, that was the next to last time the "washington post" printed a print extra edition in the middle of the day, because there was such an enormous interest in this verdict in this case. so clearly, this is from another

era, and yet very much with us, if you try to think of what are the things that could break our donald trump fever these days, in this 24/7 concentration, o.j. simpson was one of the few things that could do that. that said, is it doesn't look like there is a whole lot here. even if they were to find o.j. simpson's dna on the knife, he is not going to be tried again, because of double jeopardy. he has been acquitted of this crime already. and cannot be brought to trial again. technically, the case remains open, and that's why the police are willing to put in this effort and you know, if it does lead to the other killer, the real killer, then perhaps it does move forward. but other than that, it seems to be an awfully curious bit of timing with the tv dramazation going on even as we speak. so why now, and where has the knife been all these years. big questions about there is no chain ever custody that could

possibly be established here. and the police department seemed rather upset with this officer for not having come forward earlier with the knife. >> i'm wondering about that too. a former police officer, the most famous murder case finds potential evidence, i'm going to add this to my personal collection. you mentioned there is that fx series, the o.j. trial, the o.j. case, either one of you watching that? i'm just curious. >> actually have i have, yes. >> yeah, and it's, you know, it has its moments of bringing everything back alive to what it was. but there is something odd going on. they cleverly use the news clips from that time, and those are the moments when the series really comes alive and to see the transition back into the dramazation, it almost feels not quite real, but those news clips from everything from the slow motion chase, to the interviews

with the various lawyers, that's just ri just. >> does it give you any new per spifftiv. >> the fx series is i lot about the relationships between the lawyers, which was less focused on at the time back when the trial was unfolding, and it is intriguing and it's entertainment i know the families who i met and dealt with covering the trial don't like that this crime is a form of entertainment i think in all respect, they suffered a loss that even all these years later is emotional to them. the impact that he remains a figure of curiosity, there are these open questions about evidence in the case. and i am also struck by the fact that the trial was watched really nonstop back then on cable television. in a time before social media and a time before the internet affected all of our lives. it was a collective experience

for the country to watch the case, and all of the issues from domestic violence to race relations, to the competence of police, so many different things. the effect of powerful defendants. this was the most famous person in america ever to be put trial for murder. seeing some of that again, you find a lot of these issues in their own way still are apart of american life. o.j. simpson for all of his fame and is still a very curious character. >> the o.j. trial junkies and people that rolled their eyes that said enough of this. 20 years ago, a lot of memories. kelly o'donnell, mark fisher, thank you both for joining us. up next, crunching the numbers. can donald trump have a clean win, or play the delegate game with cruz and rubio trying to deny him a first ballot majority at the convention. this is "hardball," the place

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i'm page hopkins. here's what is happening. cpac tonight, ben carson said he is leaving the campaign trial. it was expected earlier this week. he didn't see a political path forward after super tuesday. lead pipe removal got underway at a home in flint, michigan. they're being replaced with copper ones. a contaminated water crisis. rachel maddow will have another look tonight at 9:00 eastern. now we're going to take you back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." in a move that is disappointed many conservative activists today, donald trump has abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance at the political action conference, better known as cpac, an annual gathering go to destination for

conservatives, especially those who are seeking the white house. trump was scheduled to address saturday morning, but his campaign said in a press release they scheduled another event instead. trump will be in wichita, kansas for a major rally on saturday. because of this, he will not be able to speak at cpac. now, in response, cpac tweeted this, quote, very disappointed. donald trump has decided at the last minute to drop out of the cpac. his choice sends a clear message to conservatives. ted cruz didn't miss the opportunity to slam trump for his absence in opening his remarks at cpac today. >> so donald trump is skipping cpac. i think somebody told him megyn kelly was going to be here. or even worst, he was told there were conservatives that were going to be here. >> and i'm joined now by the perfect guest to bring in for

this. the chairman that hosts cpac, matt sclapp, so matt, let me start with you, donald trump is not coming. here is the question everybody is asking. is there a price to be paid for a presidential candidate, the front-runner right now, snubbing cpac? >> yeah, it's a big mistake. it's a whiff. he was committed to come here. he have been working with him and his team. and i know that he has come to cpac many times, been well received. i know he wanted to be here. we treat all the candidates the same, steve, i'm unaligned in this presidential campaign. i haven't made any endorsements. we were very clear. we wanted them to be here, but they were ae going to have to speak about the same amount of time and answer questions from conservatives. and i'm sorry that that became a problem for him, i think they're making a mistake. we still wish they would come, but we won't change our rules. >> matt, i understand we have an issue here. we have to clear you in the next five seconds.

thank you for putting your two cents in. good luck. thanks, matt. >> all right. >> i'll bring in jeremy peters. let's pick it up on what matt was just saying. donald trump is saying he is not going to cpac because he wants to head out to kansas. look, kansas is voting on saturday. caucuses, a pretty big event. polling has been good for trump in kansas. he has not been in kansas campaigning at all. his rivals have been out there. is that a legitimate excuse or something else going on? i think it is a good excuse, steve. he is running for president of the united states. he is not running to win the cpac straw poll. there is something else going on here, and that's marco rubio has been noticing in his private polling that he is gaining in kansas. he upended his entire schedule over the last couple of days and skipped campaigning in louisiana and elsewhere to make three stops in kansas. so he thinks that he has a very good shot at winning that, and donald trump is probably a little nervous about that. >> is it making a statement,

though, do you think as well? so many rules that we've all established through the rules, if you're running for the republican, you have to do this, can't do that. you have to go to cpac, you have to cater to that crowd. is that another statement here that hey, i'm not playing by the same rules as everybody else? >> yeah, or i think maybe he didn't donate as much money to cpac this year, and felt that he didn't have the clout that he had last year to call the shots. last year, the trump organization was a major doan are to -- donor, maybe a quid pro quo, i don't know, i'm not saying that. a career so far of breaking convention, and he is going to do what he wants to do. >> all right, well, we have kansas this weekend, a few other contests, but the upcoming winner take all, florida, ohio, they're on march 15th. crucial to everyone who is

hoping d hoping deny the first ballot. here is what the delegate count might look like if kasich wins ohio, if rubio wins florida. if the stop trump takes care of business in those states. under those circumstances, trump would then need to get 67% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination out right. so jeremy, when i look at this, beating trump from ohio, beating trump in florida, they're essential if you want to stop him. but even that threshold, 67% the rest of the way, they start to add up fast after that. states like new york, pennsylvania, california, a lot of delegates, a lot of blue states there. even stopping him in florida or ohio may not be enough. >> that's right. don't forget about new jersey too. a lot of delegates up for grabs that trump is poised to do well in. i do think that the path gets increasingly narrow for ted cruz. that's something that the people who are urging kasich to get out of the race, marco rubio fans, will say is that you know, when

you're talking about california, new jersey, delaware, these are places that are not exactly friendly ted cruz territory. so the math does get very less favorable to him as we go on here. now, one of the things i think nobody is really pointing out is in all of this talk about how turnout is swelled, you have 8.5 million who vote on super tuesday. you know, that's a big part, because of trump. no doubt about it. but let's not forget that a lot of those people are also turning out to vote against donald trump. so as much as donald trump is inspiring this new movement of voters to join him, he is inspiring a whole lot of people who are voting to spite him. >> right, you've got two blocks there. a block that wants to get out there and give him the nomination and another giant block that doesn't want to. could they put him back together. if trump does win ohio and florida, this is what would happen to the delegate count. look at the big difference.

suddenly, he is more than 400 ahead of rubio, rubio drops back to third, kasich is barely a factor in there. jeremy, for all intensive purposes, if he wins those two states, this could end on the spot and we have to say, the polling we've seen so far says he is leading in those two states. >> yeah, absolutely, he is. he has come up in ohio lately, which is really surprising, considering that john kasich thought for a while he was going to walk away with that. i think that it looks like the more likely scenario right now is he wins one and doesn't win the other. so in that case, it's also going to be hard for trump to get to 1237 and it's going to make for a very interesting convention. >> it's interesting to see how those home states are factoring into this, kasich ohio, florida, rubio, that's what we're dealing with here. jeremy peters from "the new york times," thanks for joining us. we're going to turn to the

democratic side of the aisle as hillary clinton and bernie sanders plan to battle it out in michigan. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

i'm not supporting anybody right now. >> would you vote for hillary clinton? >> no, i would not vote for hillary clinton. >> would you vote for donald trump? >> i'm not sure yet. i don't know who i'm going to vote for. >> and welcome back to "hardball." that was former virginia senator and democratic presidential candidate jim webb this morning on morning joe, saying he will not be voting for hillary clinton. but clinton did receive some good news today when "the new york times" reported computer logs by an it staffer showed no

evidence of foreign hacking. they said the security logs bolster mrs. clinton's assertion that the use of the personal e-mail account to conduct state department business while she was the secretary of state did not put american secrets into the hands of hackers or foreign governments. clinton and her democratic rival are turning their attention to michigan. michigan going to hold their primary this coming tuesday. sanders was in the state attack clinton's position on trade. >> she has supported nafta. i opposed nafta. she supported normal trade relations with china. i vigorously oppose. she supported the columbia free-trade agreement. i oppose that. she supported the korean free-trade agreement. i oppose that. this a criticism of secretary clinton's trade policies, which

have been a disaster. all i can say is that she voiced a lot of support over the years for the concept of the ttp. and she was very reluctant to come out in opposition. >> but the polls in the wolverine state not looking good for bernie sanders. hillary clinton 28 points ahead of him. time now for the round table. bernard center, dana is an opinion writer with the "washington post" and erin mcpike, reuters. jim webb went nowhere as a democratic presidential candidate. this is this kbrd out there that if donald trump is the republican nominee, if hillary clinton is the nominee, if there are voters on the democratic side that trump could maybe chip away at, it's rural, maybe blue collar, working class, the kinds of people that maybe jim webb

appealed, to western virginia, the rust belt, that trump could places in play against hillary clinton, maybe that other republicans couldn't. what do you think of that? >> well, steve, you point to a real vulnerability that hillary clinton has with those voters. jim webb, the reaction is who cares. he could get together with jim gilmore and very was an accident because of george allen's troubles there. and then he went absolutely nowhere in the debate. i don't think he speaks for anybody, or carries any votes with him, and he is obviously not even considering do that independent bid any more. but yeah, it is a real weakness. it's just somebody other than jim webb would probably need to exploit that. >> michelle, it's funny, i think we all thought we had it figured out 2012 election, democratic coalition, republican coalition, cultural demographic lines, simple, if they want to win it back, you have to drive up the

numbers with latinos, drive up the nonwhite numbers, do better with single women. we thought we had it figured out, but when i look at donald trump potentially being the republican nominee, i think there is the potential here for sort of a rere-alignment of a lo lot of these groups that we haven't thought of before. >> absolutely. i have read a study recently where somebody was looking at demographics and google analytics who donald trump's supporters are and where they come from in the country in a different way. back to the point that you were discussing with dana and to what we're talking about now, donald trump has democratic support. the blue collar high school educated, non-people of color that supported hillary clinton in 2008 are the same people who are looking at hillary clinton and looking at donald trump and being excited by donald trump's candidacy. so i don't think donald trump needs jim webb or anybody else

to -- >> michelle, i keep thinking back to 2008. it's eight years ago, but in the late days of that campaign, clinton versus obama, she was rolling up huge numbers, whether it was pennsylvania or west virginia or kentucky. working class white voters. i remember reading them and kind of getting confused. hillary clinton this bond with working class white voters. i remember in the 1990s, she was character, it was never about liking hillary clinton for the working class, that sort of group of voters. it was more about opposing obama. >> absolutely. if they had to pick between a black man and white woman, hillary clinton was their woman. i'm sure you'll remember, then senator obama referred to the demographic as people who cling to their guns and cling to religion and they loved hillary clinton and i would say right now if they have to pick between hillary clinton and donald trump, who literally ranges on on a daily basis about

everything that is wrong with america, and including women, including mexicans, including the african-americans that he says are going to vote for him, they've got their man. he is not going to have problems with democrats or republicans in that demographic. >> erin, i guess when people say there might be cross over between bernie sanders voter and donald trump voter in the fall, some people look at that and say they couldn't be more opposite. but the bernie sanders supporters in a lot of cases, what we're seeing here, working class, lower income white voters, certainly we've seen that in the primaries so far, could you see them attracted to donald trump. >> absolutely. i've talked to some in florida, just down in florida as they look at statewide races later this year and in 2018, saying there are a number of voters who like bernie sanders or donald trump and they're trying to figure out the right candidate in those statewide races to fit

the kind of voter whose like donald trump and like bernie sanders. it's a really tough thing. but you're seeing a lot of the voters want an outside the belt way, really independent kind of candidate. that's what this is showing. outsider here as we all know. >> round table is staying with us. up next, these three have the easiest assignment in the world. they're going to tell me something i don't know. this is "hardball," the place for politics. and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. try super poligrip free. ♪a one, a two, a three percent cnext.ack♪ there's gotta be a better way to find the right card.

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petition to have bill clinton arrested and prosecuted and the primary revoted because bill clinton was seen hob knobbing in a polling place on election day. this is not what you would call losing gracefully. >> i heard the democrats telling me voting fraud or any of that stuff doesn't happen. now they want clinton arrested. >> they want him arrested for hob knobbing which is a third-degree felony. >> okay. >> steve, marco rubio, who is the senator from florida who says he's not running for re-election is going to spend eight days down in florida skipping other states trying to win florida. the jeb bush orbit thinks that marco rubio will reverse his decision and decide to run for re-election to his current senate seat. >> he seems so miserable in the senate. i can't help but think the jeb bush people are having some motives there. >> you might think. that's the rumor on the ground

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