tv Lockup MSNBC March 5, 2016 8:00pm-9:01pm PST
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third party could not win. so the democrats would have an absolute free run. probably you wouldn't even campaign because it would be impossible to win. so what does that mean? automatically, they are going to appoint very, very liberal judges. and all of this time that the republicans are fighting, saying we don't win president obama to appoint the judge, it's not going to matter, because the new president, who would be a democrat, will appoint the judge. so it no longer matters. >> it's the top of the hour, listening to donald trump in west palm beach, florida. tonight he won the louisiana primary. also the caucus in kentucky. let's listen to trump. >> start thinking about that, folks. anybody that does a third party, that's what it is going to mean, very simple. it guaranties 100% the election to the democrat. that means the appointment of supreme court judges. three, four, or five.
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that is a total wipeout for conservatives and for republicans. so start thinking about that. start thinking about it. this was just an exciting time. i'm having a lot of fun. i have to tell you that ted, i was watching him and congratulations on the two states, ted. but he was saying that donald trump has a ceiling of 35% to 40%. well, cnn just came out with a poll two days ago that said i have 49% compared to his 15%. so i guess it's not 40%. i have a 49% number. some of the polls are showing over 50%. and i don't think they're accurate. i've won many polls, as you know, against hillary clinton directly. and i'm the only one that's going to beat her, if she's allowed to run. [ applause ] and the only one, remember that.
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and i am the one person, the one person, trust me, that she does not want to run against. now, we only had one little skirmish four weeks ago, and that was not pleasant for her and bill. i'm really ashamed of the press, because they got it wrong. they didn't give me any credit. do you remember when she was beating bernie easily and four weeks ago, all of a sudden bernie was doing great. you know why? because she went down. you know why? because of my skirmish. and i got no credit. please give me some credit for that. [ applause ] so i look forward to that race. again, i haven't really done anything with hillary. we haven't started on hillary except for the one moment four weeks ago. but i think we're going to have something that's really great. i heard hillary today and i watched her statement tonight.
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her statement is, make america whole. that's a terrible statement. make america whole. i think he means we're in a hole, a deep hole, and we're trying to dig our way out. we owe $19 trillion. [ applause ] and if that's the kind of promotional ability we have on the other side, our country is in big trouble. make america whole? no, make america great again. that's what mine is, make america great again, okay? so, again, this has been a very exciting evening. again, i just have to thank the people of louisiana, the people of kentucky. you're amazing and i will never, ever forget it. i was in louisiana last night, and we had a group of people in an airplane hangar, this massive hangar and you couldn't even get them in. this was a seriously big hangar for very, very big planes.
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i landed, got out, walked into the hangar, and there were thousands and thousands of people. it was incredible. same thing a few days ago in kentucky. we had a rally that was incredible. today's rally in orlando, florida, nobody has seen anything like it. and they're saying, they've never seen anything like it in the history of politics in this country, they've never seen anything like it. it was reported in "the new york times" today on the front page, people have never seen anything like it in the history of politics in the united states. it's a movement. so i want to thank all of my friends and all of my members, all of my everything. you have been so supportive, so great. and you're very, very special people. thank you. [ applause ] and with that, if you would like, you know the press is among the most dishonest people ever created by god. so i would love to take a few questions from these dishonest people. go ahead, press.
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john. [ inaudible question ] >> if i can do it, i'll do it, john. john scarp, everybody. yes, sir, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> i love you as a reporter. where have you been? this is the greatest guy. lying ted. i call him lying ted. he holds up the bible, then he puts it down and he lies. i never saw a man that lied as much. lying ted. no, what he did to ben carson was a disgrace. and actually me, because had he not gotten those ben carson votes, i would have won iowa, too.
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i would have had everything. and what he did frankly voter violation on a form that looked like it came right out of a government agency. voter violation, and the only way you get rid of the violation essentially is by voting and going and voting for ted cruz. ever see this? and people did that, because they were afraid. it was terrible. it was a very fraudulent thing. he's done a lot of bad things. so ben carson is a great guy. he's a great, great guy. and i thought that was a disgrace, what he did. he said basically ben carson is out of the race, come on, vote for me. and he knew what was happening. so one of those things. but i do think this, i do think that ted is at least moving along okay. but marco has to get out of the race. has to. because despite what ted said, oh, do i want to run against just ted. that will be easy. okay, david, go ahead.
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[ inaudible question ] -- can you state your position on gay marriage -- >> we have policy on it and i've said it very strongly. and i think you know it. it's all -- how many times do i have to say it? it's like, david, as an example, what is my position on 900 different things? i've said it 150 times. everybody knows how i feel on it. question, question? david, sit down, please. david, david. sit down. you know my position. john, go ahead. [ inaudible question ]
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>> it's what it should be, because we're the only two winning. by the way, yhe keeps saying, i am the one that beats donald trump. i've been beating him 3-1. on super tuesday, i got a million more votes than marco and 500,000 more than ted. go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> oh, he'll not win. and he's not going to win. you know what? he can't win. and he's not going to win something else. i would love to have a head-to-head matchup with him in florida and ohio. but in new york, he's not going to get very many votes. in new jersey, pennsylvania, ohio, he's not going to get very many votes. so i would like to see it. i would like marco to drop out from the standpoint -- look how he did tonight. he's in third and fourth. somebody was nice enough to say that even when i don't win a
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state, i always come in second. that's a big thing. marco has come in fourth. so i think it's time for marco to clean the deck, i do. and i say that respectfully. [ inaudible question ] because i wanted to go -- look, matt's a great guy, but look, i wanted to go to kansas. i felt i had an obligation. i did fairly well in kansas considering i spent literally an hour there, a very small time. but i wanted to go to kansas to campaign. i've been to cpac from the beginning. i've liked it. i respect the people at cpac. i respect matt a great deal. i hated to cancel, but i really am doing something that's very important. the people that are at cpac for the most part aren't campaigning. i'm campaigning to be president. had i not gone to kansas this morning, i would not have done as well as i did. i came in second place. so it was a very important thing.
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john, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> afraid? i've taken more questions from reporters than any human being that's maybe ever lived. give me a break. [ applause ] no, no, i was hearing matt say today, and it was interesting, but i was hearing matt say i didn't like the format. i would rather speak for 30 minutes. i hate when you speak for 10 and 15 and you're interrupted and you sit down. i've done that three times now. if somebody wants to ask me in the case of dana or sean hannity, i would love to do that. this was simply a fact that i wanted to campaign. and i'm campaigning. very few people are campaigning, and i'm very happy i did it and i met a lot of great people in kansas. mr. phil ruffin, one of the most successful people in the united states, really worked hard in
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kansas. i felt i owed it to him and a lot of people to go there this morning. yes, sir? [ inaudible question ] [ inaudible question ] >> well, we would want to get to the bottom of it. i think our weakness in dealing with iran has been unprecedented. the fact that we gave them $150 billion, and they're a terrorist state. the fact that they spent much of that money buying other than
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american products. they bought 118 massive airplanes from airbus, not from boeing or anything having to do with this country. they spent a lot of their money throughout europe and spent it in russia buying missiles. they gave us nothing. i will get down to the bottom of that. i think it's a disgrace. please give his family my regards. i think they know where he is, and if i'm elected president, i will get to the bottom of it. [ applause ] go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> i have nothing to do with it. when you have 25,000 people in a building -- today we had to send away thousands of people. when you have that many people, if you have four or five people or ten people stand up out of 22,000 that are in this building that i'm speaking to, a very
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great entertainer said donald, you're the biggest draw in the world without a guitar, which is sort of an interesting -- [ applause ] i won't tell you that was the great elton john, but somebody did make that statement. when you have that many people, you understand in a room, and you have a couple of not skirmish i skirmishes, and we treat them very gently, and yeah, we had a few protesters today, but very few. if you look at it as a percentage, we had what, 1/100th of 1% of the people in that room. [ inaudible ] no, look, i watched bernie sanders have a protest. two young ladies came up and took the microphone away from him. he walked meekly to the back of the room and i said isn't that
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pathetic and sad? that would never happen with me. [ inaudible ] [ crowd booing ] >> this is the problem with reporters. look, look, just so you understand, not me, somebody else, marco brought it up. do you notice -- look, you look at what happens to marco. no, no, i didn't bring it up. excuse me, somebody else said donald trump has small hands. so i said small hands? i hit a ball 280 yards. stand up, my club champion. do i hit the ball good? do i hit it long? is trump strong? so look, i just simply held up the hands. these are very strong hands and they're fairly large actually. but it was interesting, because
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you shouldn't even be bringing this up to be honest with you. but it was very interesting, because the day after he said that, i'm shaking hands with people, and everybody is saying, wow, you have strong hands. you have very big hands. what happened is marco just made it up. i don't know where. because he's a politician and politicians lie and they say bad things and if you don't call them out for it. i didn't bring it up, he brought it up, and i finished it. marco attacked me viciously a week ago, two weeks ago. so far every person that's attacked me has gone down. look at his numbers tonight. he cannot hold one of those phony rallies where he did well, because he did really badly. he's not going to stand up tonight and talk about how well he did in iowa where he was in third place and he acted like he won. i agree with ted on that. [ inaudible ] i would love it to be, but
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here's the story. i would love it to be at a high level. i will be the most presidential candidate in history, other than honest abe lincoln. he was very tough to beat, okay? abe lincoln was serious, right? but when i get attacked by these people at a low level, i have to attack back. some people say, you oare above it, but i can't do that. and i'll never do that for our country either. go ahead. [ inaudible ] i'm totally denouncing, and any hate group, no good with donald trump. i didn't know that actually, but if you're telling me, i will believe it, i denounce, okay? [ inaudible ]
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>> i will help the party fund-raise, yes. i'm not looking for funds for myself. i'm totally self-funding my campaign, but i will absolutely help the party fund-raise. but i don't want any money for myself. go ahead. [ inaudible ] i think we'll win before the convention. you know, i sponsor a lot of sporting events and the fighters have a great expression. when they go into a city or a town where it's an unfriendly town but they think they're going to win, they say the only way we guaranty victory is a knockout. the only way to guaranty victory is to get enough delegates. like the prizefighters do, that's called a knockout. we're on a path to do that. we think we're going to do very well in florida. and don't forget, louisiana and kentucky tonight were the two big ones. maine we did well in maine,
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really well in maine, but it was much smaller than louisiana, kentucky. kansas was also smaller and we came in second in most. but we won louisiana and kentucky. they were the big ones. [ inaudible ] so the question was asked about waterboarding, and waterboarding is a very, very touchy subject. it was originally asked two debates ago to ted cruz. and he sort of didn't want any part of that question, and i watched and i said wow. then they said how do you feel? and i said, i am totally in favor of waterboarding. and if we can, i would like to do much more than that, okay? [ applause ] just so you understand, we're playing by a different set of rules than isis and others. so we have laws and rules and
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regulations and all of these things, and they have nothing. they chop off people's heads. they drown people in massive steel cages. they drop the cage for one hour, they lift it up and there are 30 dead people. here we are worried about waterboarding. i will obey the laws, but i will try and get the laws extended. i will try and get the laws broadened, because we should be allowed -- because it's very hard to be successful in beating someone when your rules are very soft and they have unlimited rules and they can do whatever way want to do. [ applause ] we're going to rebuild our military. we're going to knock out isis so violently and so fast. they chop off heads. they do things that we haven't seen since medieval times, and
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we're worried about waterboarding. wait, wait, sit down. let me just tell you. excuse me. i want to stay within the laws and right now we have the laws. but i want to make those laws stronger so that we can better compete with a vicious group of animals, okay? yes, go ahead. [ inaudible ] i think we're going to do great. i think we have a 20-point lead or something like that in florida. [ inaudible ] >> look, mitt romney was a failed candidate. he was a terrible candidate. he choked. he choked absolutely choked as bad as i've ever seen, other than marco when chris christie was grilling him. that was a big choke also.
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i thought he was going to collapse. i was getting ready to hold him up with these very powerful hands. [ laughter ] that was a joke. but mitt romney joked as a candidate. he knows how i feel. when he was thinking of getting into the race seven, eight months ago, i said you cannot let -- it's too important. i said you cannot let mitt romney in this race. he's a choker. and you know through sports, i can tell you, i have some great sportsman right here. when you see somebody choke, generally speaking, once a choker, always a choker. now, mitt romney gave that election away. that was an election against a failed president that should have been easily won. mitt romney didn't work hard. that last month he disappeared. say what you want about president obama, he was on jay leno, david letterman, he was all over the place. and where was mitt romney?
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we're still looking for him. and if he would have devoted the same energy and time to winning the presidency four years ago, as he is now when trying to destroy our party and the unity of our party, he would have won that election and we wouldn't have the problems that we have right now. [ applause ] so ladies and gentlemen, i want to thank you all. this has been amazing. it's very exciting. and i look forward to seeing you many times in the near future. thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] >> of course, that's donald trump in west palm beach florida tonight. he's the winner the louisiana republican primary and republican caucuses in kentucky. mark, that was subdued by his standards. >> not the same type of
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performance after his super tuesday wins. >> how is it different? >> he was more subdued. i thought the insults were less primal and he called for rubio to get out of the race. up until now he has not tried to clear the race. >> what is that all about, he just likes to knock people out? >> i don't know that it's in his interest to have rubio out of the race. my sense is, he's better off having reboundubio in the race. i think although you can make an argument cruz, kasich trump, you can make an argument that a cruz, kasich, trump race, that trump would have an easy time. >> who else can beat him in the big states besides cruz? >> if rubio got out of the race
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soon, i think cruz could make a run at him in florida, because it's a closed primary. >> what about all the mid western and northeastern states that trump mentioned tonight? pennsylvania, ohio, places like that, new jersey, new york, connecticut, those places don't seem like cruz country to me. >> one thing that's been tested is negative advertising against donald trump. donald trump has not spent a lot on tv ads. i'm a big believer they don't have much of an impact. but i can see lots of money spent against trump. >> could cruz win a state like new jersey? >> only if the negative ads work. >> john? >> we talked about john kasich in a three-way race with donald trump, john kasich and ted cruz, i think in some of those states, especially if john kasich has won ohio, i think he would be
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very competitive in new jersey, new york, connecticut, california. on the west coast john kasich would be a very formidable threat. i think trump looks at -- he wants to win florida. although i agree, but some combination of anti-trump money plus cruz could make florida competitive for cruz if rubio is out. if you're donald trump, who do you want to fight, ted cruz or marco rubio? as weakened as rubio is, he's still a bigger threat than cruz. trump says get rubio out, let me beat kasich in ohio and have a one on one race with ted cruz. trump feels like he's stronger in the industrial midwest, because of the crossover vote and because of independents. i think -- >> he thinks cruz's states are
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out the way now. >> it seems if trump wanted to run a tough campaign, you gave him one job and he didn't show up. >> if trump wins two of three, ohio, michigan, and florida, i think the race is pretty much over. if he can get the florida senator out of the race. i think you are underestimating what ted cruz with money can do against trump. i think trump sees the possibility of ending this thing a week from tuesday. and is looking to do that. if he listened to advice, i think people would be telling him that your performance this week at the debate was not helpful. >> look, he came into this night, there was an assumption that donald trump would win kentucky easily. that's what the polling said. and that he would win louisiana easily. we saw a very close race in
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kentucky and in louisiana, he got beat -- >> it's been the worst week of campaigning. he had a terrible week. >> that's what i'm saying. he won two states, much more closely than he thought he was going to. he had a relatively weak night tonight. a win is a win, but if i was trump, i would be subdued too. he had a bad week. >> rubio has been going after him personally. cruz really has not very much, kasich has not at all. and trump says, if a guy is going at me personally, i'm coming back at him. if trump stays above the fray, he's probably the nominee. so to get the guy out of the race -- >> how many debates do you feel to deal with? >> two. one in miami next week and one
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in utah. >> i think that trump believes, the argument that trump wants to prosecute is an idealogical argument, not personal. >> i think hillary clinton wins the same thing, they want to run against cruz. >> much, much rather run against cruz. >> trump also believes cruz is too unlikable to win. >> i think that might be right. i look at the clustering and the southeast. i would bet on mississippi to go to trump but i would look at that center spine of the country where i see cruz winning a bunch more there. it seems like that's the way it's clustering. >> just keep watching. john kasich is not a super
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strong candidate. but if he's on the move in michigan and if john kasich comes close to trump in michigan or beats him and then has a chance to beat him in ohio, it could -- he could end up being a factor in this race. >> any way, thank you. we'll be watching you all this week, "with all due respect," is the name of the program. still ahead, the major contests coming up. we'll look ahead for the next ten days. michigan just three days away.
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the dogs bark and the caravan moves forward. we're back and looking ahead to michigan, a real state as i like to say, this tuesday coming up. florida, another amazing state that represents so much to the country. and ohio, a state the republicans must win historically or they lose the general election. that's one state they must win. let's talk about michigan, because it's kasich, who i don't mind saying i like. if kasich wins there, he might be a candidate to beat trump. >> if he wins there -- >> if he starts rolling it up in
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the northeast. >> he could do that, but i don't think he'll catch trump on the numbers but it will force it into a contested convention at that point and he will have the ability to go into a convention and effectively compete. really become the candidate for the status quo, if you will. >> the last republican to try to take it into the convention, to try to get it in the convention, i think it was 1976 and it's ronald reagan. >> yeah. >> so that's how dishonorable the how to take it to the convention move is in republican history. it's not something that hasn't happened before. >> let's go to steve. >> you see the delegate count. we're still tallying these from different states. we think tonight ted cruz is going to end up gaining about 68 more delegates.
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donald trump about 52. rubio will be back at 20. kasich at 8 we have right now. that could change a little bit. i think the story of the night, looking ahead is what we saw in louisiana. we showed you this a minute ago. there is a huge disparity in louisiana between the votes cast today and in early voting, where donald trump had the advantage. trump wins louisiana overall, but that is a sign maybe that the vote is coalescing around ted cruz. so what are the implications of that? these are the next states to vote. we were looking at mississippi. we were thinking that mississippi based on what we had seen was a trump state. however, based on what we saw tonight in louisiana, with ted cruz on election day closing that gap, you now have to take a real look at mississippi, is this a state where ted cruz could coalesce that anti-trump
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movement and beat trump? and michigan, the difference between open and closed primaries. trump doing much worse in republican-only environments. the bad news for trump, michigan is officially a closed primary state. the good news is that term "closed primary" doesn't mean the same in every state. what it means in michigan, if you're a voter and you want to participate, you have to show up at the polls and fill out a form that declares yourself a republican. however, it is a nonbinding declaration. so you do not become a member of the republican party. it's a piece of paper you have to fill out. so that could be good news for donald trump. you play it out one week further, looking ahead to the 15th. and the other question with ted cruz, that disparity we talked about in louisiana, it wasn't just ted cruz climbing at the end, it was marco rubio collapsing. it looked like a lot of rubio
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support, went away from him and went to cruz. we talked so much about florida being a must-win state for marco rubio. marco rubio is playing catchup there against donald trump right now. we also know that ted cruz is making a serious campaign push in florida. it raises the question, could ted cruz cost marco rubio florida and knock marco rubio out of this race. ted cruz still believes his best path to the nomination is not a crowded field, a divide and conquer strategy with a bunch of candidates trying to stop trump. he believes a one on one is his best shot and his way of getting a one on one could be going into florida the next two weeks, trying to eat into marco rubio's support. if that means trump wins the state, so be it, because rubio would be out and cruz could get that one on one he's looking for. >> thank you, steve. perry bacon joins us with heidi
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presbula and "time" magazine's jane newton-small. i look at what steve kornacki just showed, and i see no threat to donald trump from ted cruz. i don't know where that would be. i think he's done what he could do in terms of damage. i look at the south, mississippi looks like a trump state to me. i don't see cruz winning florida, ohio, illinois or missouri -- maybe missouri. your thoughts? >> well, i don't know. i think i have to disagree with you a little bit. tonight's voting, you saw cruz surprisingly win kansas and maine. and as steve kornacki was just saying, he did much better than expected in louisiana. he was up 21 points in comparison to early voting. so there is this cruz surge going on and there is this sense -- if he can get the establishment to coalesce around him, he makes the point to me
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and to others that he's never -- that donald trump has never broken 50% in any of these contests. so you'll get a majority of republican vote it is you add them all together. >> how many primaries has ted cruz won tonight? >> six. >> primaries? >> i have to think about that. texas. >> and oklahoma, right? >> right. >> so this is the formidable opponent to donald trump. how do you see that? >> again, the momentum is surge and not so much how strong donald trump is but how weak ted cruz is. >> you can go to rubio if you're desperate and you're from florida. >> that's possible, too. i'm not saying ted cruz is going to -- >> i'm betting against cruz.
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but i'm also interviewing you, so i should be challenging what you're saying. >> i am saying that cruz has momentum. that's what i'm saying right now. we'll see. >> i don't think so. let me go to heidi. [ laughter ] >> let me take a little different take on that. i think that cruz had a good night, and i think what this -- what could happen from here is that he could use that good night to make some marginal inroads in some of these states that might create a path, take michigan for example, for kasich doing better in some of these states. for example, if you look at the returns in kentucky, there was something that really stuck out at me. and that was that ted cruz did very well in some of these border areas with ohio. and those are areas that are very similar and michigan. so if cruz takes away some of trump's late breakers and
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michigan, i think that probably helps kasich. it isn't so much a ted cruz surging story as ted cruz just kind of making potentially a pathway here for kasich who, a couple weeks ago, we weren't betting on at all. >> i think it's going to be a close battle between trump and kasich in michigan. perry, your thoughts? >> tonight was really interesting. you had this really important event where you had mitt romney on thursday say, fellow republicans, you cannot vote for donald trump. he's not conservative. he would be a bad president. and i would say you had four states vote today and donald trump, in my view, underperformed in all those states. he didn't have the big blowouts i thought he would have in louisiana and kentucky and lost maine and kansas. so you go forward on tuesday. you have michigan, mississippi. i think those states are pretty good for donald trump. so if the trend continues from the day and trump struggles and
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loses those states, then something has changed in the primary. if trump wins michigan and mississippi, we know he's headed in a good direction and will win the nomination. >> jane, i want you to have the last word. >> i would agree with perry. i think as i said earlier, a lot of this isn't cruz's strength but it is donald trump's weakness here. so whether cruz or kasich p benefits, and even marco rubio, it does make you question if donald trump is going to get to 1237 delegates, which is what is needed for the domination. if he can't, this race is still wide open to the convention. >> jay, do you believe in luck? >> i do. >> i think trump's lucky and i
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i would like marco to drop out from the standpoint that i think marco -- look how he did tonight. he's in third and fourth. somebody was nice enough to say, even when i don't win a state, i always come in second. that's a big thing. marco's come in fourth. so i think it's time for marco to clean the deck, i do. and i say that respectfully. >> okay, lawrence, where are we at? >> he doesn't say anything respectfully. because the media is now defining deviancy down to the point where some people think this was considered a decent press conference tonight, this was a press conference in which
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a presidential candidate bafoon spent significant amount of time talking about the size of his hands and getting a golf pro in the audience to certify that he is big and strong and that he hits the ball long. that was a significant portion of his press conference. he was asked a policy question about marriage equality in this country. what did he do with it? he did what vladamir putin would do, he refused to answer it. he ordered the reporter to sit down. that's what the media is taking to be, oh, that was presidential night for trump. this is the most absurdist candidacy we've ever seen. there's a moment where he says -- where he's talking about criticizing marco rubio and he says, people have said to me, come on, you're above it. you shouldn't do that. and he said, that's not me. so here we have this presidential candidate saying, i am not above petty, silly,
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foolish attacks on people. i'm a small person, and i'm going to keep it small. and the media says, hey, nice job, donald. >> let me ask you about the new idea here, which is not divide and conquer, he now seems to want to get rubio out. and maybe that's smart, but i don't see why it matters at this point, because i don't think any of these fguys are going to bea him. >> i've been thinking about it, i don't think it's so much a real push by donald to get rubio out. i think he's tweaking him, doing the small ball thing saying, you need to go now, you need to go. you're done. you're in fourth place. with all due respect, you're done. so i don't think there's many desire to get him out of the race -- >> ignore what he's saying. >> i think it's more -- at the
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end of the day he needs rubio in this race, at least through florida. >> maybe rubio wants to be out before florida. amanda, what do we know about rubio and this push to excuse him from the scene by trump? >> well, one thing tonight isn't great for him, because all of florida can start early voting today. and a lot of people really don't want to vote for a loser. so you head into the florida primary on march 15, people are watching how he did tonight. there are people who like rubio who will turn out for him, but there are a lot of questions raised against him, is he viable against donald trump and hillary clinton? so tonight could hurt rubio going into his home state. >> he's going to go a number of days without his name in the headlines or the front lead story. he won't win in michigan or mississippi. he's not won anything today. so he will find himself going
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into his home state with nothing that shows he's still in the race except his paid advertising. >> right. increasingly, it looks like it's cruz and donald trump. donald trump the polls and vote right now ahead of the actual primary date. >> when did voting start down there? what day was it? today? >> it sounded for some counties a little earlier but it started today. >> we'll be right back with more on super tuesday. stick with us.
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bernie sanders beat her by a better than 2-1 margin. when you look at the delegates, there were 33 being awarded in this caucus tonight. bernie sanders is going to get a margin in kansas of about 13. he's going to gain about a net total of 13 delegates over hillary clinton. there's only about 33 up for grabs. he's going to get a net gain of 13 there. in nebraska, solid sanders win. we think there's going to be a net gain of about three delegates. louisiana. there were 51 delegates in the primary today that were up for grabs, we think she's going to gain 27, a net gain of 27. you add those all together, hillary clinton walked into the night with a lead of 195 delegates in the pledge delegate count, 195. she lost two caucus tonight and
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she'll leave with -- she gained 11 even while losing 2 of 3. >> that's not bad. i like primaries better than caucuses anyway. >> there's been one poll in california that's about two months old. ted cruz was in the lead over donald trump. it might be that just ted cruz and i know about that poll. >> no, a lot of people know. >> it's the field poll, the most important poll in california. cruz is looking at that. bernie sanders, people like that at looking at new york and new jersey thinking, wait a minute, there's giant delegates way down the road there. there's reason for me to hang on to see how i can do way down the
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calendar. >> former chairman? >> i think tonight was clearly an opportunity for the two front-runners, you can say, in one sense between cruz and trump to make their move. they made their moves but kasich is still in that position where he can come in. he's trying to get in the slip stream so he can just ride himself over the next few days. michigan looms even larger after tonight than probably it did before. >> you both think you're placing a bigger bet on kasich than rubio. >> 2 bucks on kasich, 50 cents on rubio? >> thank you very much. steve kornacki, i'm joined in washington -- well, actually i'm not. that's it for us. i'll see you monday night for "hard ball" at 7:00 eastern. good night.
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we're listening to donald trump. >> it guarantees 100% guarantees the election of the democrat. that means the appointment of supreme court judges, three, four or five. that is a total wipeout for conservatives and for republicans. so start thinking about that. start thinking about it. this was just an exciting time. i'm having a lot of fun. i have to tell you that ted, i was watching him and congratulations on
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