is so in your face. >> but the problem is, everybody knows everything about donald trump. no new information. its he is hard to attack him. gabe, kasie, mark, we'll be back more tomorrow with more "mtp daily." it won't be here. tonight, 8:00 eastern, our own town hall with president republican candidate marco rubio, "with all due respect" starts right now. you're watching qvc. up next, the donald j. trump collection. >> i brought some things up, the water company. well, there is the water company. i mean, we sell water, and we have water, and it's a very succe successful, you know, i supply the water for my places, it's very good. what are the steaks? do we have steaks? we have trump steaks. he said this steak company, and we have trump steaks. by the way, if you want to take one, we'll charge you about

what, $50 a steak. no, i'm only -- we have trump magazine. let me see the magazine. [ applause ] >> these are trump magazine is out. i said it is? i thought i read one two days ago. this comes out, it's called the july of palm beach. it goes to awful ll of my clubs. take one. club, my club championship. by the way, the winery, you see the wine, because you mentioned trump vodka. it's the largest winery on the east coast. i own it 100%. we make the finest wine, any where you can get in the world. you have the water, steaks, wines and all of that, and that's it. okay. the -- i want to thank my

friend, paul o'neal, because that to me is a big deal. ♪ the sun is shining, cockt cs are flowing tweak, kendall campus, miami dade college, not too busy sucking on beer bongs will go to the polls on tuesday. bernie sanders and hillary clinton will debate once again in the wake of his upset last night. the press conference, nearby here, late last night, even sanders himself seemed taken aback by his outcome. but today, in an interview with msnbc andrea mitchell, is he riding high upon his horse. >> virtually every national poll in almost all of the statewide polls that have bernie sanders against donald trump, we do better and in some cases, much, much better, than hillary

clinton does against trump. just coming from michigan. >> so that's bernie sanders. sounded pretty good after his michigan victory. my question is how, how, how on earth did sanders pull this off? >> we said it was a good state for him. good reception as anything. particularly trade. an issue that has more resonance than any other state. they don't like nafta, they don't like the clinton view of trade, even with her shift. the combination of his effort there, his advertising there, and his support from people who think trade is bad for u.s. jobs allowed him to get a huge come back win, and a huge symbolic win and a return in the eyes of some reporters from the dead. >> i want to put up some graphics to show what the demographic breakdown is. take a look at the first breakdown between white and black voters, how each of them did with whites and blacks.

sanders beat clinton with white voters, big win. importantly in the black vote, you got sanders getting 28% of the black vote in michigan. that is way more. that's way more than he has gotten so far with african-american any where else in the country. if you look closer, you look at white women and black women, clinton is dominating with black women. 66-28. but with white women, should be in the heart of hillary clinton, bernie sanders beats her 58-47. if he gets a healthy amount of arch, that's african-american. >> coalition of the people he had been attracting, but as you suggested, much higher percentage of the african-american vote he had been getting, particularly in a state like michigan, it does suggest that that win, if he can keep it up, is not a fluke. he out spent her on television. the clintons came in late and tried to stop him.

the clintons said he won, because he targeted the state, i'm not sure that's an effective piece of spin. >> they're saying hillary clinton is a regional candidate. she can win in the south but can't win outside the south. he has won a bunch of caucuses. winning this state, it is a claim they're making, until hillary clinton wins something in the rust belt area. >> with the big win, hillary clinton's margin of victory in mississippi also last night gave her the bigger delegate count. so it may have given sanders momentum and it did, he still has a lot of ground to make up. next tuesday, five states that are voting on march 15th, as of now, the polling suggests clinton has big leads in all of them, including florida, a new quinnipiac leads shows her 62 to

32. a few more coming down the road, where is sanders likely to win if he can win next to keep his momentum going. >> among those five states, obviously sanders is going to try to run the same playbook. he could be very competitive there. they think very favorably on missouri. the other states, not so much. not as competitive. but the interesting thing is if you look further down the calendar, you know, you look at what happens on march 22nd, you have a couple of caucuses, along with the arizona primary, idaho and utah, march 26th, alaska, washington state, wisconsin primary and wyoming, he could be competitive in all of those. after this next tuesday, it could be a rough day for him, losing a couple of big states, he has a pretty favorable calendar heading in the rest of the month and into april. >> you can't say enough without winner take all, it's hard to catch up. it is the case if he does decent in those five states, can get

more victories in terms of momentum, she is eventually, if he can win states, she is eventually going to have to stop saying -- excuses, he won it because he is all white, he won because he targeted it, or he won because the issues were good for him. he is going to have to win more. last night did not put him on the path to competitiveness, but it gives him an argument. >> he has the money. why are you stick around. are you sticking around to be a spoil letter. he is looking down the calendar and saying i can chalk up some wins. >> over time it, could flip super delegates. he has to hope some of the people publicly for her, super delegates eventually say, hey, won my state, i should go with my state. >> weak in states that matter in a general election. >> looming investigation. >> all of those things. all of them. tonight's debate by the what shall ton post and moderated, it

will be the eighth time clinton and sanders face off. when they met last weekend in flint, it was substantive and sparky, sharply elbowing each other. so my question is, how will the upset last night that bernie sanders won in michigan, how do you think that will affect the tone and tenor of tonight's debate? >> with her, i'm watching to see if she goes back to talking about the republican. two, to see if her confidence is shaking, based on losing in michigan, a big surprise, and event that changed the race a lot. on his side, he is taken aback that he can't interrupt her, that he can't be confrontational or whether he thinks that's all ridiculous and be aggressive. i'm watching to see what issues he emphasizes. it was clear in michigan, trade. trade is seen as a more positive thing, nationally, what does he emphasize. >> he's not looking, although he is spending a full day in florida, traveling around

tomorrow, i think florida is more less given up for them. i think he'll stay on what works. the trade message worked, even in detroit, in michigan, where she was playing the auto industry card, did not seem to work for her. she crazy was playing the bankcard on bernie sanders. i can't understand that at all. sanders thinks right now they have to a bunch of these states, not florida but further down the line, issue set that might be a way to get traction with her. he'll hit those hard and hard again. >> he's not here not just because of the debate, but there are a lot of delegates here. better ground in the calendar. when we come back, more of what donald trump was selling at that remarkable press conference in florida last night. after this. it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. but only a few commands to master depositing checks

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democrats, hillary, new york, new jersey, chris christie, march mar-a-lago. lindsey graham, megyn kelly, little marco, lying ted. donald trump. merry christmas. that's speed version of donald trump talking about a lot of different things, a lot of nouns in florida last night during his extraordinary press conference, and it felt like some ways it was taking place on another planet. he welcomed retired new york yankee paul o'neal and his endorsement and talked about his enemies. a trump classic. followed decisive wins, along with a caucus win in hawaii. so taking it altogether, the

message from last night, what did mr. trump achieve. >> he accomplished a lot i think. beyond the comedic elements. he won three out of four states. won them convincingly. he shut down the narrative that he was slipping. he set himself up well to maybe end it next tuesday. a mon among the comedy, he talked in measured ways, he said marco rubio had a good relationship. there was a lot tonal in the press conference, putting aside the comedy elements. >> he started which want republicans to control congress. i want to help republicans. >> yes, right. >> if donald trump wraps it up next week, wins florida and ohio, and in fact the nominee, he needs to unite the republican party as quickly as possible. more chris christies, fewer mitt

romneys. if he is fitting for weeks or months, unify the party, huge if, a huge development for him. >> he can defeat the anti-trump by shutting down mitt romney, but in the end, you know, if mitch mcconnell and paul ryan decide he is so bad for the republicans that they need to campaign against him, that's bad for donald trump. he has to be able to head that off at the pass. they can erode his chances of winning if they under cut him in that way. >> if he wins all five next tuesday, it will be fascinating if they go to paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, who are you supporting now, they're going to say still don't know, or the guy who is on the path to the nomination. if he can get it done in a skillful way, not alienate his supporters, but have the party unified and start making shift with the democrats, huge. >> easy for them to come to him. not make it hard. >> he did a good job of last

last night. what donald j. trump accomplished, as mark just talked about, what is the most plausible scenario, mark, for the stop trump movement, what's left of it, to actually, you know, like stop trump? >> they have to start beating him, hone down what they're going after him on. boxes are filled with different e-mails, trump university, trump steaks, something he said that was untoward. i mean, they still don't have unified frame. and while they're spending money and did some experimentation, they need a way to prove that contributions will lead to hurting trump. they haven't done that yet very effectively. i will say that it obviously starts with kasich winning ohio. rubio or cruz, we'll talk about that in a second in florida, and they have to keep his delegate totals down. they have to make it [ applauseplausible, if he wins four of five, he is not on a glide path to majority.

>> it's possible to keep the stop trump movement going if kasich wins ohio and somebody else wins one of the other states. it's possible to keep it going. it will be on life support, but obviously, somehow marco rubio pulling off an incredible will be a really big deal. but the one thing i said i really agree with is that the amount of money spent on any trump advertising is meaningless if there is not a message that resonates. >> in the media as well, reporters talking about it. >> mccain is picking up and driving it. where is the polling? where is the polling that's informing this advertising. right now, it's like ad firms gone wild with no polling or research underneath it. >> right. marco rubio has gone from being the anti-trump comic to now trying to go back larger to his message, the days when his events are being covered live. it's a problem. only a candidate or candidates can stop trump. which lead please to which is

the most plausible, potentially, kasich and rubio both losing their home states and ted cruz getting him one-on-one, starting next wednesday. it is, if you look at the public polling, ted cruz beats trump head to het. and now maybe that wouldn't happen when it came to reality, but not one poll that i've seen that shows trump beats cruz head to head. >> you look down on the calendar, a few places you could imagine cruz winning, but man, you get into places like wisconsin, new york, delaware, pennsylvania, rhode island, those places are not ted cruz country. one-on-one with trump. >> they may not be, but carly fiorina endorsed cruz. >> i understand. >> he has a chance. it's the most likely, maybe a long shot, but the most likely right now. >> all right, there was more reporting today that marco rubio holding conversations internally. arguments and disagreements and

floating of thoughts about whether he should get out of the race before florida his home state votes on tuesday. the campaign continues to deny there is anything to those reports, but that hasn't stopped donors and strategists from other campaigns speculating on the subject. according to a new quinnipiac poll, that man trump leads in florida with 45%. the q poll last month, rubio is way back at 22%. that's down six points from last month. ted cruz is up there at 18%. if rubio, if, a big if, but if marco rubio decides he can't go on, he doesn't want to face it, if he decides to drop out before tuesday, what then? >> look, if trump gets to 45% in this state, nobody is going to beat him. i believe right now, unless marco rubio has some sort of spurt here, does great in the debate, somehow comes back, i believe if he got out, ted cruz would have a better chance of stopping trump effectively one-on-one with kasich not being

a factor. >> you don't think cruz can win this state. >> i think cruz has a better chance to stop trump in this state than rubio does right now, assuming rubio got out. >> i imagine all the rubio votes going to kasich and guaranteeing trump will win the state. i can't believe as hobbled as rubio is, he has a better chance that cruz has. >> if rubio got out tomorrow, he would have a number of days to go on the air and try to take trump out on the liberal stuff. this a closed primary. republicans only. a very fox news oriented conservative electorate and i believe that cruz would have a chance. not a great chance. trump is the odds on favorite. all i'm saying is cruz has a better chance to get to a number that could beat trump than rubio does, as weak as rubio is. >> how many florida republicans are sitting around thinking i wish jeb bush was still in the race. it's been a long since jeb has run in florida. a lot of establishment republicans in florida, man, boy, we would have been better off with jeb.

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jeb, and what jeb. >> who would have thought. >> what jeb might or might not be doing in terms of this race as we head towards the primary. >> it seems trump is the only one that didn't call and say i want to chat. he's not meeting with trump. that's the word we're getting. no one expected a kumbaya moment. >> when is it taking place. >> tomorrow before the debate. >> in sequence or having them over for a pool party or something. >> individual meetings, one after the other. >> so endorsements that matter because someone has a political following or political machine or because they get a lot of favorable news coverage? would jeb bush's endorsement for cruz or rubio or kasich mean a lot do you think in terms of the out come of the primary. >> i'm not sure it would. so many people have voted in florida already. >> including some for jeb. >> i would guess, but we haven't had a chance to ask him. i'm not sure it would even be that much news if he endorsed

rubio. if he were to endorse cruz or kasich, then the headlines would be bigger. >> can you explain to a viewer who does not live in florida how it can be that marco rubio is in the situation he is in this state. we understand why trump is popular, because he's popular everywhere, but what has happened to marco rubio standing in this state? >> i think a couple of things happened. first, he divided the support with jeb early on. so no one was able to consolidate florida. by the time jeb got out, it was late. nobody knew how marco was going to do. also, he has been on the ballot statewide once, he did well and won, but it's not like this long-standing legacy that he has got. and some people who frankly were at the cruz event this morning said we voted for him in 2010 for senate and we felt he let us down. he didn't push the tea party platform.

>> new hampshire prom minimal, chamber of commerce, donald trump disaster if he wins. what is your sense of how those people feel now about their choices and about the prospect of trump being the primary winner? >> well, a lot of them in miami are still rubio fans and sticking with him through the end, because they feel like he is a more moderate voice. they're not that familiar with kasich. he hasn't campaigned here at all. he's not on the radar. i've talked to a couple of rubio fans. >> what about state legislatures, but does trump have a following. >> no, he doesn't. a couple of lawmakers who back him. tallahassee was bush country, but now is mostly -- >> let me ask you about what would happen if marco rubio were to get out of this race? if that happened, is it your sense that ted cruz could be a viable florida candidate facing

off against donald trump in a basically one-on-one win? >> i think that would go to trump, but i mean, i have no indication that rubio is going to get out, and cruz is making a play kind of late in the state. there is a chance he could consolidate people, but florida likes celebrity, as you know. trump is one. he is a part-time florida guy, you know. everyone knows his name. he has golf courses, hotels, condos, some didn't do so well. they know him here. >> do you like his water and steaks. >> i wasn't there. how did i miss the wine and the water. >> in the end, if trump wins this primary, and becomes republican nominee, what is your sense of how he would do in a general election? seems to me his profile and style is somewhat like rick scott, but republicans have not done well in general elections. is trump in your mind a strong general election candidate. >> i think he could put up a good fight. i'm not sure he could win. we've learned not to make too many predictions.

the scott parallel is interesting, because scott has never won in a general election, and never wanted to run in a general election, because he knows it's a tough time. the support from the governor would generally really help the party's candidate, but in a year like this. >> patty, patricia. >> there you go. >> thank you for coming. great to see you. up next, we have hillary clinton's miami moment. in just a minute, if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us as well, at bloomberg 99.1. we'll be right back. get the word out about how awesome bugs are. kids learn to be brave and curious and all kids speak the language of bug. "hey cortana, find my katydid video." oh! this is so good. if you're trying to teach a kid about a proboscis. just sketch it on the screen. i don't have a touch screen on my mac, i'm jealous of that. you put a big bug in a kids hands and change their world view.

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final hour before the big debate here in miami, we're bringing in hillary clinton's national political director, who has been with us before. thanks for coming back. >> thank you for having me here. >> complete this sentence, hillary clinton lost the michigan primary because, blank? >> i think we -- listen, it was a close race.

always going to be a close race. we've got to do our job to earn every single vote. >> i'm going to ask you again. hillary clinton lost the michigan primary because blank. >> i don't have an answer for you. we're still digesting the answer for you. >> we've got to get out there and make sure we're talking about jobs earlier. people know exactly where we are on manufacturing jobs. we came to that on friday to give our pro jobs message. maybe we could have done it a couple of days earlier, but at the end of the day, it's important. >> is it possible there is some skepticism, who is a bigger opponent, hillary clinton versus bernie sanders, given his consistent history. >> i think she made that point in the debate that you heard her say, wait a second. there have been trade agreements i voted against, here is why i'm opposed to ttp. we talked about her pro jobs message and what is she going to

do to create jobs. that's a difference, you'll continue to hear from us, both sides of that coin. so i think that's an important aspect as we go into the next states. >> let me ask you, two demographic questions, we talked about a couple of things that stood out in the exit polls last night. how to you explain losing white women if you're hillary clinton. >> i think we have to talk about what kind of jobs we're going to create. we're going to do that. that's a general midwest message that's going to be important. we haven't hit that as hard as we could. so we're going to talk about more about that. it's important we're talking about jobs and what her jobs plan is. when you compare the two, there is a difference. she is incredibly comprehensive. we're going to talk more about that. >> in south carolina, she won 90 something percent of the african-american and the overwhelming african-american throughout the south. last night, sanders won one-third of the black vote in

michigan. how worrying is that to you that look more like michigan than south carolina. >> we have to make sure that everyone knows the primary is happening. that's different with michigan. 2008, michigan played a different role. we've got to make sure we're there talking about getting out to vote, but also the importance of jobs in every community. i think you're going to hear that. what we felt and saw in michigan is how disappointed people are about the manufacturing industry and it needs to come back and they need a president that will bring the jobs back. we're going to make sure we're loud and clear about that peace of it. >> just going back to mark's question, it sounds like you weren't in the state enough and failure of message there. >> no, i think we have to talk more about her jobs plan. and we did that on friday, and i think you're going to start see more of that. it's important that we have the plan out there and keep pushing on that. >> given sanders' victory, do you think this will be

competitive into the spring. >> absolutely. we've talked about that before. >> competitive contest maybe through the convention, and donald trump could on tuesday effectively end his nomination fight. ho how much of a -- if he won all five. >> i think engaged on the republican side. >> if you think if he wins all five -- >> i do explain to me. he wins all five, including the winner take all states. >> i think you have lot of folks. >> you think cruz and rubio will stay in the race. >> i think you will a see kasich and cruz stay in the race. again, this is the republican. >> i'll bet you a shake shack burr burger, he gets out. >> and cruz. >> he won his home state. >> he is the bernie sanders republican. >> is senator sanders running as good or better a cam ppaign tha

you all are. >> better than him. >> i do, yes. >> what metrics are you using. >> coalition looks like and when you think about the democratic party and who we're bringing together, i think we're going to continue to expand on it, continue to grow our votes, within all the different demographics, including the young vote, including women stay on board. but when you look at the coalition of the democratic party and you size that up against what's happening on the republican side, i think your path to victory in the general, that's what the democratic party is all about. >> again, the world thinks i'm still struck by going around michigan for instance, i went to two sanders where 10,000 people showed up. that's more people, with all due respect, that's more people than she sees in sometimes two weeks. big big events. it's over, the delegate lead is insurmountable. why does bernie sanders continue to inspire that kind of passion,

and just on the basis of crowd side hillary clinton does not. >> you'll see us do this more, we're going to some of the same places, universities, colleges, where there is just a lot of people. i can't account for what he is doing. we're making sure we're getting our message out there. it is important. we said at the beginning, what is she going to do to make sure people have good paying jobs. particularly, our younger voters. we got to talk not just about jobs, but afford ability. >> bernie sanders has been a friend and alley to the u.s. auto industry. >> you know, i think there is a truth and you know, i worked for the senator for michigan for a long time. there a truth that at that moment when you actually need to take a hard vote to save the auto industry, it matter whose is there. >> has he been a friend. >> he wasn't there at the key moment. that's something to be said for that. >> amanda, andrea, thank you very much. always delate today haighted to.

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bernie sanders and hillary clinton reporter, jennifer epstein, right. >> yeah. >> great to see you guys. last night, i think many people were surprised by the outcome in michigan. want to ask you in sequence. how surprised was the clinton campaign and then how surprised was the sanders campaign. >> i think the clinton campaign thought it was going to be tight, but i think they were pretty confident even 8:00 p.m. last night that she was going to win and be narrow. they had been, you know, pointing to some of their own, you know, cautionary stuff over the last couple of weeks, saying michigan might be tough, robby mook's memo said it might be tight. people didn't believe it was only seeing the results when the race was finally called after midnight that it finally like clicked for everyone on the clinton team that she lost. >> you know, bernie sanders had come down here, right, and ended up doing a press conference in front of a brown wall that watts

last thing like a victory party. talk about what it was like inside the bubble last night. >> it was hastily put together that press conference. i think they thought it would be closer. they had it 15, 20%. they thought it would be close, like maybe there is a chance they could do well, but definitely not to the point where they were prepared to have a stage, to have the audience. bernie sanders is ready to go to sleep and call a night. >> he gave a statement and then uncharacteristically didn't take questions. i gather he has been a little annoyed, i could tell from afar about all the questions about when you are dropping out, why aren't you dropping out. what is the posture going forward? do they feel like he can go back to taking questions and not be asked those after winning one state? >> i mean, he is definitely more open to taking questions when he wins. i think yesterday, he didn't know yet at that point, he didn't know if he won. it looked like he would do well, but he didn't want to answer questions and say like yes, we did well and find out no, you lost by one or two points.

but yeah, i think going forward, he doesn't like questions about, like, so if you lose this state, does that mean it's over. he gets very annoyed. >> no candidate likes that. >> he hates that. >> can you ask me a real question, that sort of thing. going forward, he'll be more anticipate to taking questions about the path, what states they think they can do well in. the surprise win will give them a new lease on life. >> that's true. i mean, i wish my candidate took questions when she was winning or losing or. >> ties. >> tying or whatever. i think that the clinton team is now being very cautious about some of the contests that we have next week. they're confident about florida. she's leading two to one in public polling. it's a closed democratic primary. they're worried, though, about ohio, illinois, missouri, those are places that are similar to michigan, that it may be tighter, even though the public polls say 20 points or may not

happen. >> you're telling me about hillary clinton possibly losing her home state. >> which home state. >> if i remember correctly, she was born and raised in illinois. >> she was. maybe not -- i mean, she lost it in 2008 to another person, not to spin you too much, but. >> i was going it to say, thanks very much. >> let me ask you about money. your candidate keeps raising money on the web. is she going to fund-raisers these day or no time. >> for the last week or two, she hasn't been. a week ago, radio city well ton john and katy perry, but nothing on her skid this week -- >> it's possible, but her rate has been lower than his for the last couple of months. which is saying something, which is not exactly as much as robby muck talks about being thrift fee, they're spending money. she is getting better, if they

had not been trolly transparent, grassroots donors, and smaller contributions, average gone down a about over 900,000 contributors, but still way behind sanders however many millions. >> even last night, they sent out a fund-raiser saying they had 100,000 donations since michigan. >> wow. >> yeah. their best fundraising was when they won new hampshire. the next one was the last day of february, when they raised $6 million in one day. michigan, like people weren't expecting that. the supporters probably weren't expecting it. >> marie, do you think as they look at march 15th, that there is a -- there is some ominous states, they're probably not going to do well in this state, a lot of delegates here. what do you think their view is that they have to accomplish next tuesday to not lose this

n new burst. >> they need to do well in missouri, ohio, illinois. what michigan proved is that even when the media says you know, there is no hope for him, even when the polls say there is no hope, he can still pull through. even if he doesn't do well on march 15th, especially washington and later in april, wisconsin, they think those states look good for them and they're going to keep going. >> just to be like a little bit of a devil's advocate here, the thing is, if we go back to the delegate piece of this, she is, you know, leading two to one in florida. florida is the most delegate rich, 200 plus delegates next week. that's a point where, you know, she's going to net even more, make this lead of 200 plus delegates, maybe into 300 plus delegates, balliecause all of t midwestern states are not going

to be a blow out for sanders. that's what he needs, is a huge win in a big state. that's unlikely to happen. >> we can never say it enough. the delegate math is in her favor and going to be hard for him, unless he breaks the back of the super delegates. i want to ask you about a personality thing, we'll see it in the debate tonight. this is speculative, so i'll ask carefully. what do you think the state of relations is between the two of them? real tension, real animosity or the heat of the moment and once one wins, they'll go back to seeing as she said the other night, allies. >> i think that she is somebody who wants to be allies with everybody she can be allies with, and you know -- >> does she like and respect him or annoyed with him. >> she is frustrated. >> with him or what's going on. >> i think more with what's going on, in the electorate. she sees what's happening on the republican side. she is such a qualified candidate for the democratic nomination, and she still can't

close it. and it is not so much about him. but i think that some of the finger pointing and the know, be quiet kinds of things, maybe getting under her skin. >> we have to go, but is bernie sanders annoyed with hillary clinton do you think. >> yes, he is is getting competitive. >> i agree. >> also occasionally condescending on stage, just a little bit. all right, you're great. jen epstein, you're great. you're both fantastic. i love you both. up next, what is on the stakes. the wizard joins live after this. every day you read headlines about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals.

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all right, so now we want to talk about the tv ad wards, ken

go goldstein, so ken, just 30,000 feet, what is on the air now, candidates and groups, super pacs, et cetera on the five states voting on tuesday? >> we're seeing a quick rush here in this week between the march 8th and march 15th primaries. there is going to be about $10 million, which is going to air in florida over the next week. less than that in ohio, about $6 million. about $4 million in illinois. hardly anything in north carolina. and about 1$1.5 million in missouri. it's usually a big tv ad war place, but we haven't seen that much yet. >> and what accounts for that in simply the fact that people don't have a lot of money or they're thinking they're better to save for down the road? >> you know, i think that fact

is scaring broadcasters and the people who sell advertising. is this something more profound, where there is a change to spending money on other sorts of campaign expenditures? is this something that's being caused by donald trump, sucking up all the oxygen, and people don't believe that television advertising is moving numbers. you know, there has been a lot of talk about all this money going to be spent against donald trump over the upcoming week in florida. and it's going to be about seven or $8 million, and trump is going to have about $2 million that he is going to spend on his own behalf. that sounds like a lot. but that's one-third of the amount spent on just wmur in moonew hampshire. less than half in south carolina. it's much less than was spent in 2012. >> i want to ask you specifically about that 60 second ad that trump released

with much fanfare a couple of nights ago for going after marco rubio for being a corrupt politician. some were skeptical that he was going to put money behind it and air it as a real ad and run it. >> he did. that ad aired 255 times yesterday at a cost of about $500,000. trump had another 30 second ad up that actually aired more times, but because the 60 second spot is, well, wait for the math, twice as long, that actually delivered more impressions on the negative spot against rubio. >> so ken, just cast a wide net historically and talk about what's on the air now and what's bought going forward and how this compares to past cycles when we're dealing with the big multi state days? >> it's just much, much lower. there is barely anything ordered after march 15th, as we go into these other primaries.

you know, advertising is often a tail. we can debate whether it's having an impact on the race or not. when all was said, sanders aired more ads. clinton spent $3 million, but seeing where the money is going to go, again, we can argue about mr. whether it has an impact and which side is winnable and which side has money. not a lot of republican candidates have much money and on the democratic side, they're waiting to see what happens on tuesday and deploy their resources. >> ken, in less than 30 seconds to go, if some group came in now with substantially more advertising against trump, either in the states coming up on tuesday or beyond, is there an indication that doubling the money, tripling would have an impact? is there a way to know? >> there is no way to know, but

my sense is when advertising really works, it's when it's reenforced by the candidate, and when it's reenforced by what people are saying in the media. and the anti-trump advertisers can spend money and one they're not spending a ton of money and they haven't hit the perfect storm wave where all the different message organs get out at the same time. >> that's a big problem for those who wish to stop donald j. trump. ken, thanks very much in washington. talk to you again soon. we'll be right back with who won the day, after this. thank you. imagine if the things you bought every day... ...earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, two united club passes,

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in terms of things that have to do with personal stuff, yeah, at the ends of the day, you know, that's not something i'm entirely proud of. my kids were embarrassed by it

and i you know, if i had to do it again, i won't. but not on the other charges, not on the other things. when it comes to the fact that he is portraying himself of something he is not, the stakes are not a $36,000 degree the at trump university. the stakes are the greatest country on earth. >> a contrite rubio speaking at a town hall today, thinking about the personal attacks he has made against donald trump. the town hall will be on msnbc on 8:00 eastern time. so this is the challenge for marco rubio now to be driving a clear message, first avoiding attacks, and then going all in and now being contrite. it's complicated and challenges. >> not a likely thing that's going to put him in a position -- so many different challenges and no good choices. he is not in a pretty place. >> my guess is, you don't think marco rubio won the day? who won the day? >> less than 24 hours since bernie sanders won in michigan,

i think he has had a good day. today he has not done much. that makes him the winner of the day. >> ted cruz won the day. i'll tell you tomorrow. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. trump thumps, but bernie stuns. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, in washington. bernie sanders pulls an upset in michigan. can he repeat the big ten magic in ohio. can he carry the fight to california. can anything stop trump, after he has bulled his way through michigan and mississippi. do or time for anti-trump. new york billionaire had three big wins. polls show himn