accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise. michigan was definitely feeling the bern. [ cheers and applause ] and the bern was not just from the water in flint. [ laughter ] bernie sanders stunned the prognosticators by taking michigan after trailing hillary clinton by 21 points in the latest polls. [ applause ] but she took it graciously. here's her official statement after the results came in.

>> what's happening? [ laughter ] good morning, it's thursday march 10. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have veteran columnist in and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. former treasury official steve rattner. and in miami, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin. and in washington, pulitzer prize winning editorial writer for the "washington post," jonathan capehart. joe, a lot going on, fl -- >> boy, mika, they're -- >> trump strong. >> there is so much going on if you look at what's happening in florida, look what's happening in the rubio campaign. it looks like there may be some consolidation on the republican side now. these debates, we complained about how there weren't enough debates on the democratic side. you do wonder on a human level how does hillary clinton and bernie sanders, how do they rise up to that occasion night after

night after night for town hall meeting after town hall meeting and just keep going at it? and we really glazed over yesterday what the "wall street journal" called one of the biggest upsets in recent polling history when bernie sanders overcame a 21-point deficit to beat hillary clinton in michigan and nobody really knows exactly sure what happened there and we'll be talking to mark h ingi halperin and others how the c calendar favors bernie going forward and this is going to be a barn burner for some time. >> he keeps being counted out. that win in michigan, that was a pounding. and the way they have been conducting themselves in debates has been revealing and i think

people are taking notice. we'll get to that in just a bit. should we head to florida, joe? >> let's do it. another new poll out of florida shows donald trump with a big lead in that state. he's at 43%. more than doubling the state's u.s. who is at 20%. ted cruz 16%. john kasich at 10%. this as rubio struggles to hold his home turf after a national strategy and courting party power brokers. the "wall street journal" reports rubio opened his florida campaign offices just a month ago. while trump's operation has been in the state since november. and the rubio campaign isn't airing a single television ad in florida, relying on outside groups that only recently began spending millions of dollars there attacking trump and promoting the senator. in his hometown yesterday evening, rubio held a rally in the end zone of an empty football arena.

does this ring a bell, joe? kind of reminds me of that empty football stadium mitt romney had. g good job on that campaign. a far cry from the surging crowds after he had those in south carolina. and in his town hall with nbc's chuck todd last night rubio set florida as the bar for his campaign. the bar his campaign must clear. >> it's going to come down to florida for me and it always has in the presidential races. florida will award 99 delegates all at once. that means you can win more delegates in florida than you can across five or seven states in an apportioned process. even if i had done really well in these previous states, if i had not done well in florida it would be trouble for our campaign so we need to win here. that's our priority. we're focused on it like a laser and we're going to win, mark halperin, there's so much going on in the rubio campaign. it appears to be in chaos. there was a meeting with jeb

bush. all reports i get out of the meeting is it didn't go well for marco rubio. get us up to date and try to explain, if you will, what's been confounding to you and me from the very beginning, that we're hearing "wall street journal" reports again that he didn't do the necessary ground work even in his home state. we heard it in iowa, we heard it in new hampshire, we heard in the south carolina, there was always a strategy that didn't involve actual hard work. what's happening in florida? how's that happened there? tell us what we should expect over the next couple days for the rubio campaign. >> well, look, he's never had enough noun do a traditional campaign. they've made a big deal saying they're not a traditional campaign. it's a topsy-turvy year. but i will say with the exception of the core people around him, no one i've talked to, none of the data i've seen suggested he could win the state on tuesday. by his own account that would be the end of his campaign. trump is strong here and rubio does not have the resources or the message to come back.

there's a debate tonight. you saw him with chuck todd last night. he has done -- what has happened to him right now is the worst thing that can happen to anybody running for president. he's lost control of his public image and i don't know that he can do anything between now and tuesday to overcome trump's lead and it means that -- >> mark -- >> it just means he has to stop trump somewhere else. >> is he going to stay in the race? he's down 20 points in the public polls. you look at all the data, every insider in florida tells me all the data cuts against him very badly. his people have to know he can't win this state unless lightning strikes on the debate stage. is he staying to the end no matter what? >> well, look, if he got out his only alternative would be to endorse ted cruz and i don't think -- from what i've been told he's not prepared to take that step yet. i don't believe he thinks his career or the chance of stopping trump will be hurt any more if he stays in through the primary

than if he gets out. that may be a miscalculation on at least one of the two fronts. i think he wants to stay in. >> mike, if he loses his home state, mike barnicle, by 20 points, in 2016, how does he run for governor in 2018? >> joe, nobody cares about marco rubio anymore. on the republican side it remains a three-man race and marco rubio is not one of those men. it's kasich, cruz, and donald trump. i don't know what he does if he loses his home state as it appears likely. it would appear that he can't run for governor. is he going to go back into the united states senate, change his mind and do that? the key is mark halperin just nailed it. he has lost control of his image of who marco rubio is. >> so barnicle, you mentioned john kasich. there are more signs of confidence for governor kasich in ohio. a fox news poll yesterday showed kasich leading trump in the state's primary on tuesday for 66 delegates. kasich is ahead 34% to trump's

39%. cruz is back at 19%. rubio at 7%, to your point, mike. in the race for 1,237 delegates needed to nominate, trump currently has a 95-delegate lead over cruz having won 44% of the delegates award sod far. but if trump wins florida and kasich were to win ohio trump would have to win approximately 59% of the remaining delegates to reach a majority before the republican convention. so steve rattner, there are some paths for other candidates still, still, if. >> there are some paths. they're very narrow paths. i agree certainly about the state of the rubio campaign and that we're basically down to two, possibly a three-man race depending on how john kasich does. kasich is not going to get the nomination outright on 1237. but maybe he can do enough to keep trump below 50. but the trump goes to the convention with 45% of the gel

gatt -- delegates, and then he's denied the nomination, you're going to have a disaster. >> joe, you heard about these meetings with jeb bush yesterday. is there any deal that could be done that could change the trajectory? i can't see it? >> it seems right now -- we're hearing about jeb bush getting together with ted cruz and john kasich. if john kasich were to win ohio, if ted cruz were to continue to overperform like ted cruz has been overperforming over the past several weeks then you certainly could have a deal struck between john kasich and ted cruz. if marco rubio loses florida, gets out of the race. and you could see a scenario where those two together forming an alliance could drive up enough delegates to stop donald trump from getting to the 1237

delegates he needs for an outright victory and then at that point steve rattner suggests it's all out war and it's an open convention but i suspect, a lot of people are saying if trump gets the plurality that he'll still get into the convention. i don't think so. i think people will say the rules are the rules are the rules and you're not stealing a convention from somebody if somebody doesn't get the number of delegates that the rules say they need to get to have a nomination. so i think the process is thrown open and i think it's all out war. >> people are really looking. let's get to the other big story. the democrats debate in miami last night, less than 24 hours after bernie sanders' upset win in michigan. as "wall street journal" editorial writer points out, bernie sanders 50% to 48% triumph is one of the more remarkable upsets since the dawn of political polling. the final real clear politics

polling average gave mrs. clinton a 21.4% lead in the state. and dana mill bank writes in the "washington post" "true primary results don't reflect patterns and the republican's disunity could make clinton's vulnerability moot. but her campaign has a desultory feel right now. she has won the nomination but she's doing it shakily by attrition. her superior coalition building defeating sanders more inspiring message. she simply hasn't caught fire with voters anxious about the economy which is why the notion of choosing a populist as her running mate has merit. even if clinton were to lose ohio, illinois, and missouri, her campaign manager robbie mook bre predicted we will add to our

already commanding pledged delegate lead and will be a significant step closer to securing the nomination." the mast is on clinton's side, her problematic is the message. >> and that message, following up on this stunning michigan defeat, last night on "with all due respect" you asked a clinton surrogate why did they lose michigan. how could they have blown a 21-point lead. the response was pretty stunning which was there was no response. they don't know how they blew a 21-point lead. what happened? >> bernie sanders drove a strong message there. he had more television advertising on than she did and she did not drive, as she never has, a strong explanation of how she would do better for jobs and trade is more of a huge issue of michigan than any other state. i agree with what mika just read from the "journal" but not about the calendar, not about the math. bernie sanders has to survive this coming tuesday when five big states vote that he's not particularly strong in.

after that there are -- almost everything on the calendar are states where he has a chance if he's got momentum to win. states with caucuses, states with primaries where the economic message could resonate. the biggest story i think in both races combined now is given sanders' fund-raising, given the calendar, the democrat race is almost certainly going to go for weeks and maybe months and donald trump has a chance to end his nomination fight on tuesday. >> and that is, jonathan capehart, would nant n't that b greatest of ironies? in less than a week donald trump could have for all practical purposes the republican nomination nailed down but this democratic battle is going to be going for a very long time because bernie sanders has money and right now at least after michigan and with the calendar ahead he could have big mo, even if the math, as the clinton campaign correctly points out, doesn't add up in his favor.

>> right. and you know the fact that senator bernie sanders has basically a bottomless well of none that his small donors have -- small level donors have been giving him $27, maybe it's bumped up to $35 peridot nation. he has no incentive to get out of the race no matter what happens because he has the money to keep going. as we saw from michigan the other night, his economic message and the message on trade is what rang true and what got through to the voters of michigan and the key test will be i think mark was just talking about this, next week, particularly ohio, if he can win ohio, that, i think, you'll start to see hillary clinton's supporters' hair go on fire yet again worried about her chances. >> so the focus of last night's debate was immigration and a key issue for florida voters who will go to the polls next

tuesday. under pressure from both sanders and moderator jorge ramos, secretary clinton in a break with the obama administration pledged not to deport children and other undocumented immigrants with no criminal record. >> when we talk about immigration, the secretary will remember that one of the great tragedies, human tragedies of recent years is children came from honduras where there's probably more violence than almost any place in this country and they came into this country and i said welcome those children into this country. secretary clinton said send them back. that's a difference. >> let me respond again because the misrepresentation can't go unanswered here. i did say we needed to be very concerned about little children coming to this country on their own very often, many of them not making it and when they got here they needed, as i have argued for, legal counsel, due process.

>> can you promise tonight that you won't deport children, children who are already here? >> i will not deport children. i do not want to deport family members, either, jorge. >> i happen to agree with president obama on many, many issues. i think he's done a great job as president of the united states. he is wrong on this issue of deportation. i disagree with him on that. so the answer your question, no, i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> steve rattner, these debates, first of all, they seem exhausting at this point. it feels like there have been so many. they've gone after each other on their records:. it seems on paper bernie sanders has a more solid record for sticking to the message yet she attacks him in some ways that might be mischaracterizing. is that fair? >> well, i think a couple things. they've both been in congress for a pretty long time. bernie sanders for a very long time, hillary for a good while. so they have records, they've

voted on lots of stuff. and one of the games in washington is you vote on stuff where you're voting for it for one reason but you're against it for some other reason and you get caught and we can talk about the auto bailout thing in a minute if you want. you get caught based on that. so there's plenty in both of their records for each of them to mischaracterize. >> since you know about the auto bailout, let me ask you directly on that point. we didn't talk about that yesterday or the day before but a lot of news coverage yesterday about how hillary clinton was not honest about bernie sanders' vote on the auto bailout. you obviously were there at ground zero of that auto bailout. did hillary clinton -- a candidate you support, so i'm put i don't go new a difficult position -- did she misrepresent bernie sanders' position on supporting the auto bailout? >> it's a complicated issue but here as honestly as i can convey them are the facts. bernie sanders was in favor,

quote/unquote, of saving the auto companies. the problem was -- and this gets to the point i was making before about votes being complicated thing t. that when tarp, the troubled asset recovery program designed to save the banks, came up for a vote twice, once during the end of the bush administration, once early in the -- it was during the transition, right before obama was inaugurated, bernie sanders voted against it both times. he was really trying to prevent the bailout of the banks but it would have had, had he been successful, which happily he wasn't, it would have had the collateral damage of making the auto rescue impossible. so i think it's fair to say that he cast two votes that would have rendered the auto bailout impossible even though he says and did support in the other ways. >> supported it in an earlier vote. mark halperin, how did you score the debate last night no? who do you think won the night? >> i gave sanders an "a-." i gave secretary clinton a "b+."

he got more ovations and drove a cleaner message. she got tougher questions but the reality is i think her campaign as you suggested before hasn't figured out what happened in michigan and how to head it off and he still has for democratic audiences a clearer, louder, more emotional message than she does and i think on particularly tough questions about her e-mails, etc., she was more rehearsed than me she needs to be to the be the strong candidate she'll have to be to be president of the united states. >> mike barnicle, obviously i do not agree politically with many things that hillary clinton and bernie sanders say and i certainly am not expecting to be voting for them this fall, but can we just stop for one minute and talk about how much the republican party has shattered its brand by comparing democratic debates which, for the most part, overwhelmingly have been focused on issues that

matter to democratic primary voters versus republican party debates which focus on the size of hands, personal insults, the size of of -- suggestions about the size of body parts that we won't even mention on this morning news show. the contrast is absolutely staggering and as a republican i've got to tell you it's extraordinarily depressing. >> joe, the republican debates thus far have been embarrassing. the democratic debates on the other hand have been enlightening. and last night's debate was no different than the other democratic debates. they were on issues. both candidates, bernie sanders and mrs. clinton, were strong on the issues with their points of view. and by far at least i think to a lot of people the democratic race is now the more interesting

race, and especially for hillary clinton. there are two maps, two electoral maps that are instructive as to how -- the difficulty her campaign is now in the middle of coping with. one is from massachusetts and the other is from michigan. democratic strongholds in a sense, both. especially massachusetts. bernie sanders carries across the board working class people, young people on all the issues that he's talking about he garners a huge majority of their votes while mrs. clinton despite being in politics for 30 years has trouble addressing her message to that group of people and she's losing them. that does not bode well for her in the fall. >> and it doesn't mean she's going to lose the nomination. the numbers are there. but what this is doing is exposing exactly the weaknesses that could hurt her in the general election or she could deal with it immediately. she could deal with it immediately by bringing some people on board that represent

this message. >> she did address part of it last night, steve, in the question when she said she's just not a natural politician, she's not like her husband, she's not like president obama and she talked a bit, it's sort of self-revealing, about the difficulties she does have on the stump. >> there's no question about that and i'm glad she said that but i think she's caught between a rock and a hard place a little bit because you do have in both parties these angry, unhappy group of people who are pulling their candidates in a certain direction. >> legitimately. >> and in the democratic party she's being pulled to the left on trade, immigration, all these issues and i worry when she gets into the general election it's going to get tougher for her the further she's pulled away from from what i think is still a centrist country in a lot of ways. >> again, though, mika, it is a centrist country in so many ways but for me the puzzle of this election cycle for republicans was the same thing in 2012.

how can you have a political party that is so dominant on the local level and on the state level, that controls 60% of the governorships, 60% of the state legislatures, has the most members in the house of representatives since 1928, dominates the united states senate, controls all levers of government except the white house and yet they perform so poorly on this year on a fifth-grade level and constantly send one clown after another clown after another clown up on the national stage and tarnishes the republican brand in the way that they have for years now? it is -- it remains one of the great mysteries of this republican party that is, again, dominant on every level and yet humiliates themselves every four years in debates on the national stage. >> i think the problems with the

party that you've been talking about for nine years, the nine years that you've been doing this show and probably many years before that are finally -- it's judgment day. i mean, the party is going to have to explode and start all over again or figure itself out. if you look at where we are now, it's not the republican party. there's a democrat that's a front-runner. i mean, come on. >> the insults have been flying all over the place but that you actually had somebody talking about the collapse of marco rubio's campaign and saying, you know, he was really running a perfect campaign until he talked about donald trump's sexual organ. the "washington post" said it, i won't say it this morning, on tv. and you're sitting there going this is a major party. this is what the debates have devolved to? and i'm sorry, 999 wasn't that

much higher rhetoric four years ago. it's been a clown show for years. >> yes. >> part of it, joe, may be rooted in the fact that as you indicated 60% of the governors are republican. we don't have governors running for president as much on the republican side as we have in the past, we've got one, john kasich this year. >> used to have christie. >> but governors talk in reality. senators -- i mean, steve's explanation of bernie sanders on the auto bailout is so complicated. >> all the governors lost. i mean, the republicans -- again, the republicans that are dominating on the local and the county and the state level across america in a way they haven't probably for 50 years. for some reason those extraordinarily talented governors and legislators do not rise to the level in the republican primary process and we as a party -- i'm talking

about my party -- needs to figure out why the party that dominates the nation from coast to coast puts up clowns, reality show stars. and i'm not talking just about donald trump, i'm talking about sarah palin types, michele bachmann types, herman cain types that run around yelling 999 every four years. it's been years. and people legitimately have gotten angry at me every four years for criticizing the clowns that go on the debate stages. >> and spend decades in the making. >> while the republicans that run this country from governors' mansions and from state legislatures never seem to break through in this primary process. something's deeply wrong with the way republicans select their nominee every four years.

>> you just described why we're where we're at right now. it's been a long time in the making but now they've got the biggest celebrity/reality star/businessman running at the top of the race. still ahead on "morning joe," former presidential candidate carly fiorina joins us fresh off her endorsement of ted cruz. also, republican governor rick scott of florida. and later senator tom coburn who is trashing donald trump while backing marco rubio. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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emergency in louisiana and we're still under a flash flood emergency in areas almost all of northwestern louisiana. unfortunately it's still pouring. this is not what you want. another three to six inches of heavy rain coming over these areas seeing this horrendous flooding. 23 million people under flood watch. we have three and a half million people under flood warnings right now including areas outside of houston, all the way back outside of little rock and north of the memphis area. we could see three to six inches of rainfall. here is the map that shows how much rain will fall in the next three days. we've been dry so far in new orleans. that will stop. next 48 hours we could pick up the possibility of four to eight inches of rain with isolated areas up to a foot and one to three inches per hour. this is just such a rare weather pattern for march. we've had snow in mexico the last couple days and a huge warm flow going up to the north. mika, yesterday was 82 degrees in newark, new jersey, the earliest we've seen warm temperatures in the

mid-atlantic. >> bill, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i want to congratulate ted on maine and kansas. he should do well in maine because it's very close to canada, let's face it. [ cheers and applause ] what do our neighbors to the north make of america's presidential election? chrystia freeland has a big job as canada's minister of international trade: the member of parliament weighs in on politics and the economy on both sides of the border. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."

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i just felt like it might be nice if they paid a little more attention to the world, having a little more of an awareness of what's going on in the rest of the world i think is what many canadians would hope for americans. because you can't be canadian without being aware of at least one other country, the united states, because it's so important to us and i think we sometimes like to think that, you know, americans will pay attention to us from time to time, too. >> that was canadian prime minister justin trudeau when asked -- >> hey, mika, he's a boxer, do you know that? he's a boxer. >> he is a boxer. >> did you see that on "60 minutes"? >> i did. i think he paid the guy to lose. that's my opinion. just saying. >> funny you said that. i was wondering how much do you think they paid that guy to take a fall. >> i'm not sure.

but it was probably a hefty amount. >> he asked his -- they asked his wife "were you scared when he went boxing?" "i was, but that's just the way he is." >> i didn't buy it. >> are you kidding me? come on, that was the smarmiest setup. >> i've never seen "60 minutes" fall for that. and the guy was all bloodied up. >> that's just the way he is. and he's out there fighting like one of those "hey, richard, i'll give you a pop right here." come on, seriously. "hello, i'm canadian." >> joe, i didn't think anyone knows what you're talking about. >> it was straight out of monty python and "60 minutes" went along with it and believed that he didn't pay the guy off to take the fall. unbelievable. >> it worked with the narrative. >> the prime minister will visit the white house today for a state dinner and that's very

important. the first for a canadian leader in nearly 20 years. joining us now from capitol hill, canada's minister of international trade, chrystia freeland. oh, my goodness, you've come a long way since your "morning joe" days. >> that's amazing. >> hi, mika, hi, joe, great to hear you guys. i wish we were on set together but it's wonderful to be here. joe, i have to defend the boxing prowess of my boss, that was a real boxing match. he's a real boxer. truly. >> okay, whatever. anyway, we were just -- >> just not true. >> we would rather congratulate you and just bask sort of in the glory of you. >> so krichrystia is a liberal member of parliament. also joining the table former senior advisor to rand paul's presidential campaign, former speech writer to condoleezza rice, now a nbc news political contributor, elise jordan.

chrystia, first big picture then we'll hone in on justin trudeau's trip to the u.s. what are you all thinking to the north there about the possibility of, i don't know, donald trump, perhaps, winning the nomination? could you see yourself and trudeau negotiating trade with trump? >> you know, look, mika, as you know, i lived and worked in the united states for many years, i went to college here, my youngest son was born here. i love america: i'm also very aware that it's not my job as a foreign politician to talk to americans about how they should vote. but i really believe in the american democratic process. i've just been listening to the show for the past half hour and you have been been pointing out the different problems. being a little bit of a greater distance, what i see is a very lively, a very healthy, a very robust debate which is some times confounding the political

establishment and sometimes confounding the pundits and i'm confident the american people will make a great choice for america in the fall. >> all right. steve rattner? >> hey, chrystia. >> hi, steve! >> a big piece of our debate at the moment is over trade. you and i had a conversation about this literally two or three days ago. so here you are as a minister of trade watching us debate the merits of free trade and the impact of free trade on the average american. so how do you as a trade minister think both canada, the u.s., all developed countries should balance these issues? >> well, look, one message that i have and i think we have here today and one reason we're so excited about the state visit is it's an opportunity to talk to americans about one political relationship and one economic relationship, which i think is tremendously fruitful and that we don't think about that much and that is the relationship between canada and the united states. you know, we exchange $2.5

billion of goods and services across our border everyday. canada is the biggest trading partner for 35 u.s. states, nine million american jobs depend directly on exports to canada. so we have a great, healthy, fruitful trading relationship and at this time when, as you say, steve, there are a lot of trading relationships, a lot of supreme a lot of questions about, this is a good opportunity biggest one in the world and it works for both sides. >> chrystia, what would you say to bernie sanders about the potential fruition of tpp, the pending trade agreement between the united states -- between a lot of nations and the asian rim? what would you say to him? >> the tpp was not negotiated by our government. our position is we're a government that strongly supports free trade. we understand that canada and canadians can only prosper inside a global economy and i was pleased to go to auckland and sign tpp on behalf of

canada. but what we believe now -- and this goes back to steve's point -- is that we think we need to have a very robust, very comprehensive national conversation about this deal and our prime minister really believes in the parliamentary process. we have a parliamentary trade committee has now begun a really detailed national study of the tpp. they'll go around the country, i think they'll come to washington and i think it's really important to give people a chance to talk about it and to be heard around trade deals and for people not to feel it's sort of something cooked up behind closed doors by an elite. >> chrystia free land, thank you. if you see my brother mark today, he's meeting with justin trudeau on issues of the arctic, say hello. great to see you. come back on the show any time. >> with pleasure. still ahead, the one question hillary clinton refused to answer in last night's debate. stay with us. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,

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the republican national committee is suing the state department over communications between former secretary of state hillary clinton and top aides. one lawsuit seeks e-mails, blackberry messenger or text messages between clinton and people like former chief of staff cheryl mills and jake sullivan. another is asking for electronic messages between nearly a dozen department officials and a number of clinton associates. the state department confirmed texts and messenger chat cans now be considered official communications but stopped short of confirming that was so at the time. the clinton campaign called the suits frivolous. during last night's univision debate in miami, the former secretary of state was asked point blank about the seriousness of on going investigations. >> the question was, who gave

you permission? was it president barack obama? >> there was no permission to be asked. it was done by my predecessors. >> if you get indicted, will you drop out? >> i'm not even answering that question. >> well handled, don't you think, joe? >> i think anybody suggesting she was being elusive -- that was a smart thing to do. don't even go there. mike barnicle, there are real challenges right there and right now the biggest question is is the state department playing it straight? is the justice department playing it straight? i don't think there's any question -- this federal judge, this clinton appointee, is tough. he's playing it straight. he's demanding compliance and he's really getting on the parties when he thinks that i ear dragging their feet for political reasons. same thing with the fbi. nobody questions whether james comey is going to play this straight. everybody from rudy giuliani down say he's a straight

shooter. what about the state department? are they playing it straight? what about the justice department? can we count on loretta lynch to play it straight and not make the political decision but make the legal decision on how far to that i can? >> well, i would think, joe, both the state department and the justice department certainly are playing it straight. but clearly the federal judge is highly impatient with the state department's pace of releasing all of the e-mails that have thus far been released. the interesting thing about her not answering that question and, you're right, nobody would answer a question like that is she was hit point blank on benghazi i believe by one of the moderators asking if she lied to the families of those lost in benghazi which i thought she handled very effectively. >> i think she's been able to -- and some of this stuff is pile on, steve rattner. elise, i should ask you that. when you see these lawsuits looking for text messages, is it

fair to call it frivolous? i do. >> see, i don't think so because it needs to be resolved and that's the bob this whole process that it is dragging on for so long and part of it -- i worked at the state department and i attribute it to government bureaucracy taking so long. people at the state department who have written books and they've tried to get the books reviewed by the state department and it goes on for years and years and they publish their book and the state department is surprised. it's these release of information and approvals can take way too long. what i do think, though, the lawsuits, the huge problem for clinton going into a general up against donald trump, donald trump has huge unfavorables but they're unfavorables if he ran a decent campaign and showed discipline that could go away. the brashness, the inappropriateness, the crudeness, that can be overcome if he did -- if he wanted to, if she showed some discipline, there's the potential there. with hillary clinton, overcoming this scandal is very difficult because the impression is she's

a liar and she's got something to hide and untrustworthy. that's a tougher battle in public opinion. >> go ahead, i know you want to jump in. >> the state department has released the e-mails and i agree it's a bureaucracy, it takes a long time. i agree this hasn't been a great moment for secretary clinton. i don't think anybody out there except for people in a bubble care or are focused on benghazi, she's answered a thousand questions, i think the reason she answered that well is because she's answered it a thousand times. she does have a trust issue she'll need to get over but she's a slogger, a determined person and she'll keep working on it. >> jonathan capehart is liar really -- i mean, i don't think that's the word necessarily, elise. >> oh, no, that's the word. that's the word a lot of people think when they think of hillary clinton. but can i just say this? can we not forget that former secretary of state hillary clinton testified for, what, 12, 13 hours before the special

select committee on benghazi? that was the opportunity for congress, the opportunity for republicans, the opportunity for the rnc to press the former secretary pretty aggressively on what she did or didn't do during benghazi and instead wasted that opportunity. and she handled it very well. we can not look at this in isolation. it's not just that hillary clinton used e-mail or didn't use e-mail. it's how benghazi and the e-mail situation has been used for political purposes to damage hillary clinton and let's not forget, the house majority leader said on camera that the purpose of this was to drag down her poll numbers. >> joe? >> so jonathan, though, let's talk about the ongoing problem of the clinton campaign and, you know, you see big letters on a wall everyday you go into the "washington post," it's a ben

bradley quote that says "the truth, no matter how painful, is better to get out than a lie in the long run." i'm not suggesting hillary clinton's lying about the clinton money or the clinton e-mail, i don't know, none of us know what the actual truth is, we will know when the fbi finishes their investigation. but it has been just the constant drip of revelations on the clinton foundation, the clinton speeches, the constant drip of the e-mails, every time you think that story is over it just keeps dripping and she has all of these drips from all of these different sides and as everybody's running around to patch it up it really is whether she's absolved at the end of it or not, it is a political nightmare that they just can't get the truth out there fast enough and get it behind them so they can deal with it. >> well, this has been an ongoing problem for the clintons for both clintons. really, there's a "new york

times" story a while back that did a ticktock on how long it took for people close to clinton to convince her to be -- come out of the defensive crouch on the e-mail issue and to handle this. because initially she and a lot of other people thought that this wasn't a big deal and because of the constant drip, drip, drip, it became a big dial. and ultimately i think we will find out, as we have over the -- what, seven, eight congressional investigations that there's no there there. still ahead, carly fiorina isn't done impacting the presidential race. the former candidate is back on the stump, only this time on behalf of ted cruz. how she's taking on donald trump and the republican establishment at the same time. that live interview is just ahead on "morning joe."

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coming up next, donald trump is raising eyebrows again with comments on islam. we'll play that for you. plus, florida governor rick scott hadn't endorsed a presidential candidate. but does that non-endorsement speak volumes? you'd think he would. he's the governor of florida. he's got to know, right? >> come on, he's got to know. why wouldn't you endorse marco rubio? >> you endorse marco. >> you're from florida, this is easy. >> i think he's a trump guy. >> we need ask him. >> we'll break down the political landscape of the key

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>> in terms of things that have to do with personal stuff? yeah, at the end of the day that's not something i'm entirely proud of. my kids were embarrassed by it and if i had to do it again i wouldn't. but not on the other charges, not on the other things. when it comes to the fact that he's portraying himself as something he's not and has done this before, the stakes are not a worthless $36,000 degree at trump university, the stakes are the greatest nation on earth. this is a guy that's basically offended everyone for a year. has mocked a disabled journalist, a female journalist,

every minority group imaginable on a daily basis. you run -- it becomes -- use profanity from the stage. that said, yeah, i don't want to be that. if that's what it takes to become president of the united states, i don't want to be president. i don't think that's what it takes to be president. in fact, i know it's not what it takes. it's not what we want from our next president and if i had to do it again i would have done that part differently but not the stuff about his record on business. >> he tried to be don rickles, frankly, you know? he wanted to be don rickles and he's not don rickles. he wasn't even joking, he was insulting. made up insults, nasty insults. >> it weakened him in the long term? >> it turned out to. i think i hit him very hard, but maybe for me it's more natural. it wasn't natural for him. welcome back to "morning joe." it's thursday, march 10, with us we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former senior advisor to rand paul's presidential campaign elise jordan, former treasury official steve rattner and in miami managing editor of

bloomberg politics mark halperin. so, joe, that town hall with marco rubio, he's not going anywhere, i guess. >> maybe he's not. i guess he's not. i mean, i -- i don't know what he expected people close to him to think when he used a presidential stage to make fun -- or make suggestions about a man's extremities. again, it's all i will say. and if you're running as the anti-trump, that seems like a curious way to fight that. but i do -- mark halperin, let's just short circuit this right now just for historians in their first drafts of history reading perhaps stories this morning that were saying, oh, the marco rubio campaign was going swimmingly until he started talking about donald trump's extremities and making crass

sexual jokes on stage. i'm sorry, we were saying a year and a half ago -- what i'm finally starting to see in print today -- that he had no natural constituency. there was no early state he could win. it's what you and i said time and time and time again and now everybody around rubio is saying, oh, what could have been if only he hadn't have gotten down in the mud with donald trump. it's a farce. it's maddening to see that only now people are recognizing what we recognized a year and a half ago. this is not us patting ourselves on the back, it's just the truth. he never had a natural c constituen constituency, he never had an early state to win. he never had a base from which to launch a presidential campaign. that's not personal, that's analytical. >> it is analytical. on the one hand he outlast add dozen other candidates including jeb bush and people with more

experience. on the other hand he's left in a place that's not particularly surprising. he's won two states but struggling stru struggling in his own home state with very little money to project the image he wants. so donald trump has a good sense of being a floridian as marco rubio does and he's now basically where he seemed likely to be, strong in some ways but not really in a position to challenge the strongest candidates. >> can you explain that to me for a second, mark halperin. talk about the connections with the state and what you've heard down there about ironically who seems to be more embedded with the state with natural connections, the guy that has served as united states senator and florida speaker of the house or a developer of golf courses and country clubs. >> well, i compare it to the experience out in nevada where trump won big, right? you go to the las vegas strip, there's a giant billboard for

donald trump. the trump international hotel. he's a guy associated with the culture of that state. when i landed in miami yesterday from my plane i saw two trump properties with big branding that you could see from the air. what does this state like? this state likes celebrity. it likes success. it likes people who strike it rich. trump has been a brand name in south florida and really the whole country but particularly south florida far longer and with more intensity than marco rubio ever has and so the notion that this is rubio's state more than trump's home state i think for a lot of voters is just wrong. >> well, another new poll out of florida shows donald trump with a big lead in that state. he's at 43%, more than doubling the state's u.s. senator marco rubio. rubio's at 20%, ted cruz at 16%, kasich at 10%. this as rubio struggles the hold on to his home turf after a national strategy and courting party power brokers, the "wall street journal" reports that rubio opened his florida campaign offices just a month

ago while trump's operation has been in the state since november and the rubio campaign isn't airing a single television ad in florida, relying on outside groups that only recently began spending millions of dollars there attacking trump and promoting the senator. in his hometown yesterday evening, rubio held a rally in the end zone of an empty football arena. i just -- see, now that's just -- joe, that's -- why would his campaign do that to him? >> you know, i don't know: from what i understand he's going to be talking to fund-raisers over the next day or two. i don't -- i've never understood this campaign. supreme tried to say it was personal with me. again, i don't know marco rubio. i've never understood the logic of the rubio campaign from the beginning and mark -- mike barnicle, i've never understood the strategy. for me it reminds me of what

churchill said of russia. i don't have the quote exactly but it's the rubio campaign strategy has always been a mystery -- a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma. what was their strategy. ? how were they going to move forward? what were their long-term plans? if they weren't going to have the ground game in iowa, why didn't they have an aggressive ground game in new hampshire? what were they going to do in south carolina? what was their plan in florida? what was their plan in the south? and you always get a lot of generalities, we won't tell you how many people we have in iowa. this, that, and the other. now it seems to theend there's no planning even until the end. of course i'm not crying crocodile tears here but if i were his campaign manager i would be protecting my candidates's image a hell of a lot better than that. i would not be putting him in an end zone to embarrass him so

there could be those seats shown and i sure as hell wouldn't have him staggering into a 20-point loss in my candidate's home state. there has been sort of this half -- there's just -- there hasn't been a lot of forward thinking strategically for rubio's campaign and it's befuddling to the bitter end. >> joe, mark pointed it out an hour ago. marco rubio has lost complete control of his image. one of the more interesting subplots in this campaign here, these campaign months last year and this year, at least to me, has been who has been thinking about running for president the longest? and it's clearly donald trump. he's been thinking about doing this for ten, 15 years. marco rubio has been thinking about doing it for, what, two? and rubio's planning and his thoughts about running for president are clearly rooted in

personal ambition at the expense of organization. because we've seen it in iowa, we've seen it in new hampshire, and we're seeing it playing out -- that's a pathetically sad picture of the empty end zone in his home state for a sitting united states senator. >> it's a picture, mike barnicle, that should never have been taken because the event should have been moved somewhere else. >> or canceled. >> you can always make a room look big. in ohio, a fox news poll yesterday showed john kasich leading trump in that state's primary 34% to trump's 29%. cruz is back at 19%. rubio at 7%. ohio votes on tuesday with 66 delegates at stake. donald trump sparked more controversy in talking about the muslim faith last night -- >> hold on a second, hold on -- >> what? what? >> we've got to stop there for a second. >> what? >> ohio, if john kasich wins ohio then the math changes for donald trump.

if john kasich wins ohio, what's the number. 59%. donald trump has to win 59% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination outright in cleveland and if that's the case then suddenly ted cruz showing, let's say, a bit more, continuing to outperform expectations, suddenly that makes a race to 1237 pretty damn exciting. >> what we don't know, joe, is right now seems most likely rubio wins florida, trump wins it, kasich wins ohio. what does in the upcoming states after tuesday a kasich/cruz/trump three-way look like? it could be something trump does well in but it could lead to a stalemate and i think the establishment would rush to kasich and i think he could do well in that three-way in the upcoming states. >> and i mean we're out of the deep south also. all of the states that are heavily weighted for evangelicals in iowa, south carolina, mississippi, alabama,

georgia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, even florida. those states are going by the wayside and we're going into the industrial midwest and the northeast. northeast obviously donald trump will be very strong there but kasich has some strong states coming up as well, right? >> he duds. i me he's got states on the west coast, the midwest and the northeast. it's an open question, would the establishment rush to him or would they go to cruz saying that look he won his home state, kasich, but not strong enough to actually compete in that three-way. i think he could but he'd have to have much more establishment support than he's gotten so far. surprising how little he's gotten. okay, let me try this again. donald trump sparked more controversy in talking about the muslim faith last night. take a look. >> do you think islam is at war with the west. >> i think islam hates us. there's something -- there's something there that -- there's a tremendous hatred there.

there's a tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottahott it. there's an unbelievable hatred of us. >> in islam itself? >> you'll have to figure that out, okay? you'll get another pulitzer, right? but you'll have to figure out. but there's a tremendous hatred. and we have to be very vigilant. we have to be very careful and we can't allow people coming into this countly who have this hatred of the united states. and of people that are not muslim. >> okay. >> this follows up on the muslim ban which is un-american saying that all muslims hate us, that the religion hates us has to be very stinging to muslim mothers and fathers in america who have lost their sons in war fighting and defending the american flag

and fighting for this daucountr. it has to be awfully stinging to muslim americans that wake up every morning and go to work and pursue the american dream and tell their children that in this country, unlike the countries that they came from where there was severe repression, that anything's possible. i saw a statistic that even though one percent of americans are muslim, i don't know if this is exactly right, 10% of the doctors in america are muslim. you look at entrepreneurs who are muslims. you look at what a lot of muslim entrepreneurs are doing in the united states, it's very exciting. this is not a message just for donald trump, this is a message to the republican party and to politicians on all sides of the spectrum. if you want to defeat muslim

terrorism, islamic terrorism in america, if you want to stop isis from spreading their hatred into this country, the way to do it is by continuing to double down on -- on -- not even investment, on just preaching the truth that muslims have a better chance of succeeding and excelling and achieving greatness in the united states of america under our constitution, under our rule of law, under our political system than in any country in the world, more upward mobility, more possibilities and, yes, we want you to succeed here in america because by your succeeding, we succeed as a country and, you know, when you come to america you're not irish, you're american.

you're not italian, you're american. you're not muslim, you are american. it's just -- it is destructive, not just for donald trump. it's destructive for my republican party. it's destructive for my country and i -- i am not being a liberal softy here when i say if you want to destroy isis you destroy isis by showing what a lie their ideology of hatred is and by holding up muslim americans who have succeeded in this country, who are succeeding in this country. >> and isis is not islam. >> who are raising their children to be great americans and are sending their sons and daughters off to fight and die for the united states of america. this is an issue that is beinger th -- bigger than donald trump an this is a big challenge that will survive this presidential

campaign and we better get our act together on the issue or we lose. >> so what you see in terms of saying "we lose" and everything you've just said so perfectly, joe, is the political problems here. i will just say it's very clear he doesn't have a foreign policy team or anybody with any brains and any experience in these issues helping him. because these aren't the things you say for so many different reasons that go way beyond politics. >> and the question is this, too, mika. he's six days away from possibly locking down the republican nomination. does he have the second gear? >> we'll find that out. >> does he have a third gear? does she a fourth gear. >> does he have one saying "you're going to have to listen to me on foreign policy"? >> he's destroyed jeb bush, great. he's destroyed his candidacy, fantast fantastic. he's destroyed marco rubio's

candidacy, check. he's called cruz a liar and chances are very good he's marginalized cruz. he's beat him in all the evangelical states, check. okay. okay. guess what? pre-season is over. if you win the nomination in six days, are you going to be running qvc ads? are you going to be so obsessed on what people are saying about trump steaks? are you going to be concerned about the stake of americans in the 21st century? that's spelled differently from the trump steaks that you sold at leading edge or whatever you sold tihold. is there a second gear? is there a follow up routine? this has worked very well for him politically up to now. when is he going to start getting briefed? when is he going to start saying more than what he's been saying. when is he going to name the foreign policy team? when is he going to move forward into second gear? i will say it again, mike barnicle, he is six days, maybe five days away from locking down

the republican nomination. he could do it. with a win in florida and ohio. is he going to shift gears or does he only know the short game? >> look, donald has been flying solo for a long time. throughout his entire professional career as a businessman and now as a politician. if he wasn't flying solo he wouldn't be on tv last night during that interview saying that islam hates us. islam doesn't hate us. but what everybody in the middle east knows and what everybody in the world knows that we are in the middle east today as a result of the worst foreign policy decision this country ever made -- invading -- >> you know who sells in the middle east? you know who sells else is in t middle east? donald trump. you know who's made none the middle east? donald trump: do you know who's invested in the middle east? donald trump. i mean, come on! okay, listen -- i may not agree with the tactics but i'm not going to argue with -- he won the primary using tactics that i

wouldn't have used and you wouldn't have used. okay, fine, it looks like he's going to win the primary. >> it does. >> when's the second act start? when does it begin where he shows americans that he can actually assemble a team, he can be disciplined enough to be briefed on policy and he can move to the next step andst sto insulting muslims. >> we'll find out very quickly whether he has another act. >> that's the fundamental question of act two, can he rise to the occasion? can he run an operation and organization that can counter hillary clinton if he only has this one speed and it's the short term soundbite capture the news cycle for the day. i mean, that's not going to be enough. >> it's not even a -- it's a speed but he has no governor. in other words, sometimes you do see him try to act pshlt, you see him try to reach out but he can't sustain it because as soon as somebody says something he doesn't like or as soon as something sets him off he has no self-control and he loses it.

>> and you point about the foreign policy advisors, it's dangerous for him to not have anyone he relies on. that he thinks no one should be -- >> but that says a lot about him and how he operates and how he's always operated. >> if he wants a big name in foreign policy, somebody who understands these issues who can help him, that person is no doubt going to say "i will help you if you listen. if you listen." >> let me bring you in, mark halperin. let's talk about infrastructure. what's so remarkable about donald trump's campaign unlike any campaign in i would say modern american political history is that donald trump has done it himself. cory lewandowski is talented, he's got hicks who runs his operation. he's got a couple of other people but it is the most stripped down and you've been to his headquarters, we've been to his headquarters, it's the most

stripped-down political operation in the history of modern american politics. because donald trump, let's just say it, he is a marketing genius. the question is, though, now that he's at a stage where he may lock down the republican nomination in six days how does he run a general election campaign? can he start -- do you have any information that they're going to start bringing people on board to help with the general election? to help with the transition? i mean, these are the things that you can't do with three or four campaign aides and yourself shooting off tweets and instagrams. >> look, what he's done given the lack of infrastructure and staff is miraculous. it's the great frustration of these other campaigns and it's testament to the fact regardless of what you think about the negative aspects of him, he has been one of the most miraculous presidential candidates in the history of the country and i

think a general election, look, the question i get asked most often now by friends of his, particularly business people who know him well and are concerned about him as president is who will he hire for a general election and if he's president? who will he hire? who will he put around him? we have no idea but what we do know is he likes to win and he recognizes a general election is a different proposition, a much bigger electorate and that he will have to expand. can he do it fast enough and well enough? the thing that cuts him a break not on the president side but the general election side if he's the nominee is he could be the nominee as i said before, de facto nominee on tuesday and hillary clinton could be fighting both an fbi investigation and bernie sanders into the summer. >> and you know, mika, that's the thing. and elise said it earlier. if donald trump shifts gears. while the democrats are pounding each other, donald trump could be making overtures to the republican party. he can't bend over backwards,

obviously, because that's not who he is and it wouldn't actually help him politically but the question is can he start bringing other people around? he has got to build out an operation. it's not a one-man band when you're running for president of the united states in the general election and when you're running the united states of america? >> yeah. i mean, look, elise it's one thing to trump an entire presidential campaign with his branding ability, his celebrity, his sense of where the american gut is at. but we are talking about somebody who's going to be the leader of the free world and deal with issues like isis and islam and we hope they don't conflate those? >> yeah, it's fairly problematic the rhetoric coming out right now and it really -- he has to start stepping up his game or

when he does -- if he does win the election he's going to have huge problems on the diplomatic front. for now that's not an issue. if he is going to be the republican party front-runner he is going to have to run against hillary clinton she's going to have a strong operation and a ton of money. >> she's going to be strong on national security. >> he's been running on the cheap. is he going to convince the rnc and the big donors to fund him against hillary clinton? to do that he'll have to listen to some advisors. quick to the democrats. they debated in miami last night less than 24 hours after bernie sanders' upset win in michigan. joining us now pool side in miami msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. kasi kasie, not bad. what's the sanders' campaign saying about the debate and the primary map ahead. >> this is actually the site, mika, of that slightly bizarre press conference that was called after. it seems like bernie sanders was going to win the michigan

primary and he came back out to talk to the press so we've returned. a little bit of breaking news for you. since the michigan primary polls closed the bernie sanders' campaign has raised more than $5 million online from 175,000 contributions. that is what is keeping this campaign going forward. combined with what they see as a much more favorable map. of course, next week still difficult for them. here there florida clinton has a big lead but they feel like they can do well in illinois and ohio and it sounds like the clinton campaign will be sending a lot of time in ohio. they're worried about it. but then if you get past super tuesday and you look at the the list of states that you're dealing with, washington state, caucuses in alaska, hawaii, it's wisconsin which in many ways could be a repeat of the fight in michigan and the clinton campaign is preparing to have to deal with them eating into their delegate lead a little bit and

they want, of course, bernie sanders to back off hitting things like transcripts but as you know the quickest way to get under sanders' skin to insinuate he should get out of the race and you take risks by doing that. mika? >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. so, joe, to recap this block, i think we have some interesting things happening on both sides. i'm becoming really concerned about foreign policy on the republican side. >> it's far too late in the day to be saying that 1.5 billion people hate the united states of america because of the god they worship. what donald trump has done is impressive many american politics. other than a few of us around this table, very few people saw this coming.

it's pretty stunning what he has done. at the same time, the big question, the big challenge is does he shift gears? mika, can he shift gears? can he win this thing? and more importantly than that, can he govern? i look back to bill clinton who had all the campaign infrastructure around him in the world. because of the people that he appointed for positions to serve in his administration that were thought out, bill clinton stumbled for the first two, three, four months of his administration when you start looking at donald trump being a one man band which he and only donald trump could do to win a republican primary that's one thing. but think about the ambassadors. think about the secretaries of departments. think about the undersecretaries. think about how the treasury department was empty for months and months under barack obama

who had the political establishment behind him. even in the best of circumstances with the best of political infrastructures these are the most daunting things that any politician will ever have to come face to face with and here we are and donald trump, again, possibly six days away, five days away from locking down the republican nomination is still basically a one man band with a couple of talented aides around him. it's not sustainable. >> joe, before that. one question, one question he has to answer for us, donald trump, will he listen? >> will he listen? >> well, will he listen, i think -- i think he will. the question is will he bring other people around him other than a couple of trusted aides to actually talk to him. advisors. mika's been asking the question. she's asked it three times over the past three weeks to him, who's your foreign policy team?

the fact that we are this late in the day and he still hasn't announced a foreign policy team is ridiculous. >> and makes the comments about islamic -- >> yeah, ridiculous. the fact that he goes on tv last night and says that islam hates us is ridiculous. he knows it's not true. he knows it's not true because he works in arab countries. he's made millions of dollars in arab countries. he knows it's not true. so at what point, mika, does he shift into another gear? he's vanquished his republican field. it looks like he has. what's next? what's next. well, we have florida governor rick scott next on "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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>> cruz will say publicly he wants to win. the campaign acknowledges that is a very much uphill climb given where cruz is in polling, he's behind trump double digits, he's behind marco rubio but if cruz can knock rubio out of the race here in florida and perform well enough here to take votes away from marco rubio, that sets up the two-man race ted cruz has been angling for for weeks, frankly. his super pac is going on the air today and tomorrow with about $100,000 in an ad buy, although that could increase. the cruz campaign is saying it could be on the air soon with ads to compete here but it's not as much as states like north carolina, missouri and illinois when it comes to the battle happening in five days. so when you look at his overall strategy over the next five days look for him to play hard in missouri, the campaign is feeling good about its performance there. north carolina they believe is neck in neck so you will see cruz spend time and resources there.

illinois is another place where he will be potentially hanging out and trying to get momentum going. ohio i'm not sure they'll play at all. i think they're conceding that to john kasich knowing it could be a kasich/trump battle there. but a lot riding on the next five days. if cruz can get this down to a two-man race, his campaign is convinced that is how the republican establishment and everybody supporting other candidates will end up backing ted cruz. >> all right, hallie jackson, thank you very much. joining us now from tallahas tallahasse, florida republican governor rick scott. very good to have you on the show, governor. >> it's all happening in florida, mika, everything is happening down here. >> it is. that's why i'm wondering -- >> what is your endorsement? >> yeah, come on. >> is your endorsement of any candidate happening in florida, governor? >> i'm not endorsing before the republican primary. joe, remember my race in 2010? the establishment wanted to get me out of the race. none of them endorsed me. the voters decided, i trust the voters, they'll make a good

decision but it will be about jobs. >> so you're a trump guy. >> but why wouldn't you endorse the sitting senator from the state of florida? that seems like a pretty easy endorsement to me. i'm confused. marco's doing a very good job. we got elected together back in 2010. he's done a good job as our senator donald trump is a friend. i've met ted cruz, i know john kasich, he's been governor while i elected governor. but i rely on the voters when i was in 2010 and the polls said i wouldn't win so i'll continue to trust the voters. i do like people spending their money down here. >> i bet you do. you've talked about jobs, jobs, jobs, invest in florida. so you're a friend of donald trump. will you tell donald trump that he should walk back his statement that islam hates america, that islam hates us? do you think muslims in the

state of florida hate america? >> well, as you know, in florida we're the best melting pot in the world. we love everybody coming to our state. after the paris bombings i did ask the federal government to not allow any more syrian refugees to come in to florida until we vetted them. i'm still concerned that the federal government's not vetting them. but that's what my concern is. >> that could be a reasonable policy position if you wanted to debate that and we can debate that issue. i'm just asking generally, do you think that muslims hate americans? that islam hates as donald trump said last night? >> well, i can tell you what's going on in florida -- >> no, no. that's not the question. >> no, no, i don't want to know what's going on in florida. >> we're headed in the right direction -- >> i want to know what's going on in your head, governor. we're friends. i want you to answer the question. do you personally think that islam is a religion that hates

america? >> so, joe, what i can tell you in our state is we have a lot of muslims that live in our state -- >> wrap it. >> we've got a lot of latin americans living in our state. we get along. we love people moving to our state and coming as tourists. we're a great melting pot. that's what i can tell you about our state. >> okay. >> donald trump can talk about the things he wants to talk about. marco rubio can, ted cruz, john kasich. >> no. no. uh-uh. that's not answering any questions. >> i love the debate and i'll be there -- >> rick, rick, rick. i know you and joe are friends and this is awkward. but can you answer the question or should we scoot? >> well, i can tell you that, you know, i'm glad everybody's in florida. we're doing well here. the debate will be fun here. i hope they talk about jobs. it's the most important issue. >> governor rick scott, thanks for being on. we will move on now. thanks. "morning joe" will be right back. be good.

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joe, you and rick have been friends for a long time, sorry that was awkward for you but that's just not what we do on our show. if you can't answer -- it's like asking him what one plus one is. >> it's very simple. muslims across the world don't hate us, a lot of muslim americans have fought for this country, many have died for this

country. a lot of muslim americans are great contributors to this country's economy, great entrepreneurs, great physicians and other areas and in florida as well. it's an easy question to answer. this is again for -- people tuning in we had the same problem with donald trump in december when he started talking about a muslim ban and i asked on the air then is this what germany looked like in 1933? it's -- this has been an ongoing concern that we've had around this table for six months now, the extreme statements about islam and about muslims in particular instead of talking about islamic extremism as it is. yes islamic extremists want to kill all of us, they want to destroy our country, they hate democracy and they do hate us because we're free. >> that was weak sniveling political waivering.

i doubt his endorsement would have any impact anyway. [ laughter ] >> do not conflate extremists with 1.5 billion muslims across the globe and stop saying that we're going to ban 1.5 billion muslims from entering this country under any circumstances. it ee's ridiculous and time to suggest in second gear. >> i would suggest if you're the governor of a state you should be able to answer those questions and say those things and if you can't you shouldn't be the governor of a state, especially florida. that was pathetic. i think i better move to break. >> well, florida is a melting pot and that's the great irony there, florida is a melting pot. florida is a melting pot and rick scott as been welcoming of anybody that wanted to come to florida and invest in florida. he's going across the world -- >> well, rick scott is about the

money coming to florida. that's great but he could not answer the question as to whether or not it's okay to say that islam hates america. he couldn't do it. that's pathetic. >> he could answer, he chose not to answer. he wouldn't answer it. >> he chose to be weak. and so we had him leave the show because we're not doing that. >> all right. we'll be right back. what's next, mika? tom coburn. he'll be good.

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joining us from tulsa, oklahoma, the state's former republican senator tom coburn who has endorsed marco rubio for president. also at the table, the news and finance anchor at yahoo! bianna golodryga. welcome aboard. joe, take it away. >> tom, very good to talk to you as always. you're endorsing marco rubio, why? >> i think marco has the capability to pull the republican party together and not alien anybody. he's got a tough row to go he

has broad experience in foreign policy. he has the knowledge. this is a big world and i think it's important to have somebody of his caliber and expertise in that. and i also love the man. i see his heart. i think his smart shows and i think he has the capability to win election. >> so -- but also in terms of choosing who to back, don't you look at at this point whether the candidate is viable with all due respect? >> well, that's never been my deal, mika. i look at their heart and their soul and try to look inside their person and back that. i'm wrong a lot of times on what i back. that doesn't mean i won't back somebody else if marco doesn't make it. it just means right now i love

marco's heart. i like ted cruz's heart as well. he's right on issues, he's just tough. i think marco would have a better chance of winning than ted. >> bianna. >> senator, why and so many of your colleagues too long to speak out against donald trump? >> well, you know, i don't know what -- i can't -- i don't relate to these colleagues right now, as a matter of fact, i'm banned from talking to them for still another ten months. so i don't know the answer for that. >> how about you personally? >> yeah, i can't talk to them. that's part of the senate ethics rules. >> no. no. you personally. how come you personally haven't spoken out against donald trump until now? >> i did two weeks ago. i've talked about it all the time. when is he going to answer questions? but the fact is he may the nominee of the republican party and so, you know, i said when is he going to answer questions? what are the details rather than just super la tiffs all the time? but the point is that we do have an electoral process, we will have to see how that works and

see what happens from there going forward. >> senator, you just said in passing some nice things about senator cruz. given his strength at the moment in the primary process and the possibility that he is the alternative to donald trump, why not back him rather than marco rubio? >> well, because, you know, i'm certainly not going to switch. if marco is not in it -- i'm not sure marco doesn't win florida, if he wins florida he is right up there with everybody else. if he doesn't i don't know if that will be a decision he will have to make. and then i will decide. certainly right now i can't back donald trump based on no answers to any questions. he kind of is getting a pass and that's unfortunate for america. they ought to hear -- you know, there is an interesting phenomenon going on in our country right now is bernie sanders promises all these things and he gets a large amount of votes, things that are impossible to deliver. donald trump promises all these

things, like a trade war, like tremendously difficult foreign relations given some of his statements, none of which he can deliver, and yet they're still running neck and neck and in trump's case leading for the nomination of two parties. that tells us something about how upset people are with this country and the government that we have. >> mike. >> senator, you just said -- >> good morning. >> you just said that the world is a big and dangerous place and seemingly to the ears of many americans political campaigns in this country are becoming big and dangerous in the sense of the words that are being used and words that are sometimes more dangerous than dynamite. does the dialogue, the ex it ent of the dialogue, the contempt for so many things outside america and within america among the candidates as they speak, does that bother you? >> yeah, it does.

look, we have a great country. what we lack is visionary leadership. we lack somebody calling us to a higher purpose rather than totally reminding us of all our defects. there's a lot great about this country but what we need a leadership to make it shine, leadership to bring it out. you know, the interesting thing that's not in this debate is the tremendous financial difficulty we're in. you don't hear anybody really talking about that. right now every family in america is on the hook for a million dollars in unfunded liabilities. nobody is talking about solving that problem. so, you know, we're upside down in terms of what needs to be and that's because there is not the leadership there. >> all right. former senator tom coburn thank you very much. always great to have you on "morning joe." >> good bless you guys. have a great day. >> thank you. still ahead former presidential candidate carly fiorina joins us. stay with us. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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michigan was definitely feeling the bern and -- and the bern was not just from the water in flint. bernie sanders stunned the prognosticators by taking michigan after trailing hillary clinton by 21 points in the latest polls. but hillary clinton took it graciously. here is her official statement after the results came in. >> what's happening? >> good morning. it's thursday, march 10th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. he has charts today. and in miami managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin

and in washington pulitzer prize winning editorial writer for "the washington post" jonathan capehart. >> joe, a lotting going on. >> there is so much going on if you look at what's happening in florida, if you look at what's happening in the rubio campaign. it looks like there might be consolidation on the republican side. we complained how there weren't enough debates on the democratic side. you do wonder on a human level how does hillary clinton and bernie sanders, how do they rise up to that occasion night after night after night for town hall meeting after town hall meeting? and just keep going at it. and we really glazed over yesterday what the "wall street journal" called one of the biggest upsets in recent polling history when bernie sanders overcame a 21-point deficit to

beat hillary clinton in michigan. >> i agree. >> nobody ever knows exactly sure what happened there. and we are going to be talking to mark halperin and others about how the calendar actually favors bernie moving forward. so this democratic race it's going to be a barn burner for some time. >> it seems it keeps getting counted out and i'm just not sure anything can be considered mounted out at this point. anything could happen on both sides. that win in michigan, that was a pounding. >> wow. >> and the way they have been conducting themselves in debates has been revealing and i think people are taking notice and we will get to that in just a bit. should we head to florida? joe? >> let's do it. >> another new poll out of florida shows donald trump with a big lead in that state. he is at 43%, more than doubling the state's u.s. senator marco rubio who is at 20%, ted cruz 16%, john kasich at 10%.

this as rubio struggles to hold his home turf after a national strategy and courting party power brokers. the "wall street journal" reports that rubio opened his florida campaign offices just a month ago while trump's operation has been in the state since november. and the rubio campaign isn't airing a single television ad in florida, relying on outside groups that only recently began spending millions of dollars there attacking trump and promoting the senator. in his hometown yesterday evening rubio held a rally in the end zone of an empty football arena. does this ring a bell, joe? kind of reminds me of that empty football stadium that mitt romney had. good job on that campaign. what are you thinking? a far cry from the surging crowds after he had those in south carolina. and in his town hall with nbc's chuck todd last night rubio set florida as the bar for his

campaign, the bar his campaign must clear. >> it's going to come down to florida for me and it always has in the presidential races. florida is going to award 99 delegates all at once. you can win more delegates in florida than you can across five or seven states in an apportioned process. it always was going to be a priority. even if i had done well in all of these previous states if i had not done well in florida it would be trouble for their campaign. so we need to win here, that's our priority, we're focused on it like a laser and we are going to win. >> mark halperin there's so much going on down there in the rubio campaign. there was a meeting with jeb bush, all reports i got out of that meeting was it did not go well for marco rubio. get us up to date and try to explain, if you will, what's been confounding to you and me from the very beginning, that we're hearing "wall street journal" reports again that he didn't do the necessary groundwork even in his home state. we heard it in iowa, we heard it in new hampshire, we heard it in south carolina.

there was always a strategy that didn't involve actual hard work. what's happening in florida, how has that happened there, and tell us what we should expect over the next couple days from the rubio campaign. >> well, look, he has never had enough money to do a traditional campaign, he has made a big deal out of saying he is not a traditional campaign. i will say with the exception of the core people around him no one i've talked to, none of the data i've seen suggests that he can win this state on tuesday and by his own account that would be the end of his campaign. trump is strong here and rubio does not have the resources or the message to come back, there is a debate tonight, you saw him with chuck todd last night. what has done to him is he has lost control of his public image and i don't know that he can do anything between now and tuesday to overcome trump's lead and it means that -- it means he has to stop trump somewhere else. >> is he going to stay in the

race? he's down 20 points in these public polls, you look at all the data, every insider in florida tells me all the data cuts against him very badly. his people have to know he can't win this state unless lightning strikes on the debate stage. is he staying to the end no matter what? >> well, look, if he got out his only alternative would be i think to endorse ted cruz and i don't think from what i've been told he is not prepared to take that step yet. i don't believe that he thinks that his career or the chance of stopping trump will be hurt any more if he stays in through the primary than if he gets out. that may be a miscalculation on at least one of the two fronts. >> mike barnicle, if he loses his home state, mike barnicle, by 20 points in 2016 how does he run for governor in 2018? >> joe, nobody cares about marco rubio anymore. on the republican side it remains a three-man race and

marco rubio is not one of those men. john kasich is the third person, it's kasich, cruz and donald trump. i don't know what he does if he loses his home state as it appears likely. it would appear that he can't run for governor. is he going to go back into the united states senate, change his mind and do that? the key is mark halperin just nailed it, he has lost control of his image, of who marco rubio is. >> barnicle, you mentioned john kasich. there are more signs of confidence for governor kasich in ohio. a fox news poll yesterday showed kasich leading trump in the state's primary on tuesday for 66 delegates, kasich a i head 34% to trump's 29%. cruz is back at 19%, rubio at 7 to your point, mike. in the race for 1,237 delegates needed to nominate, trump currently has a 95 delegate lead over cruz, having won 44% of the delegates awarded so far, but if trump wins florida and kasich were to win ohio trump would

have to win approximately 59% of the remaining delegates to reach a majority before the republican conventi convention. steve rattner, there are some -- there are some paths for other candidates still, still, if -- >> there are some paths. they are very narrow paths. i agree certainly about the state of the rubio campaign and that we're basically down to two, possibly a three-man race depending on how kasich does. kasich is not going to get the nomination outside on 1,237 but maybe he can do enough to keep trump under 50. if trump goes to the convention with 40 or 45% of the delegates and the convention denies him the nomination you will have complete chaos in the republican party and an even more disastrous election for the republican party than if they just nominate him. >> joe, you have heard about these meetings with jeb bush yesterday. is there any deal that could be done that could change the trajectory? i can't see it. >> well, you know, it seems

right now we are now hearing about jeb bush getting together with ted cruz and john kasich. >> yeah. >> if john kasich were to win ohio, if ted cruz were to continue to overperform like ted cruz has been overperforming over the past several weeks, then you certainly could have a deal struck between john kasich and ted cruz if marco rubio loses florida, gets out of the race and you could see a scenario where those two together forming an alliance could drive up enough delegates to stop donald trump from getting to the 1,237 delegates he needs for an outright victory and then at that point steve rattner suggests it's all out war and it's an open convention, but i suspect a lot of people are saying if trump gets the majority or gets a plurality that he will still get it at the convention. i don't think so. i think people will say the rules are the rules are the

rules and you're not stealing a convention from somebody if somebody doesn't get the number of delegates that the rules say they need to get to have a nomination. so i think the process is thrown open and i think it's all out war. >> people are really looking. let's get to the other big story, the democrats gadebated miami last night less than 24 hours after bernie sanders's upset win in michigan. as joe raggo points out this morning, bernie sanders 50 to 48% triumph is one of the more remarkable upsets since the dawn of political polling. the final real clear politics polling average gave mrs. clinton a 21.4-percentage-point lead in the state. dana millbank writes, true primary results don't necessarily predict general election patterns and the republican's disunits could make clinton's vulnerabilities moot

but her campaign was a feel right now she has all but won the nomination but doing it shake i will by attrition. her is superior coalition building defeating sanders' more inspiring message, she simply hasn't caught fire with voters anxious about the economy which is why the motion of choosing a populist as her running mate has merit. even if colon was to lose next week her -- will be a significant step closer to securing the nomination. the math is on clinton's side. what's problematic, as we've said all along here on "morning joe," is the message. >> yeah. and, mark halperin, that message, again, being a bit muddled over the last couple days following up on this stunning michigan dpee feet last night. last night with all due respect you asked a clinton surrogate why did they lose michigan?

how could they have blown a 21-point lead the response was pretty stunning which was there was no response. they still don't know how they blew a 21-point lead. what happened? >> well, look, bernie sanders drove a strong message there, he had more television advertising than she did and she did not drive as she never has a strong explanation of how she would do better for jobs and trade is a huge -- more of a huge issue in michigan than any other state. i agree with a lot of what mika just read from the journal, but not about the calendar, not about the math. bernie sanders has to survive this coming tuesday when five big states vote that he is not particularly strong in. after that there are -- almost everything on the calendar are states where he has a chance if he's got momentum to win, states with caucuses, states with primaries where the economic message could resonate. the biggest story in both races is given sanders' fundraising, begin the calendar, the democratic race is almost certainly going to go for weeks,

maybe months and donald trump has a chance to end his nomination fight on tuesday. >> and that is jonathan capehart wouldn't that be the greatest of ironies. we've been talking about chaos in the republican party all this time. in less than a week donald trump could have for all practical purposes the republican nomination nailed down, but this democratic battle is going to be going for a very long time because bernie sanders has money and right now at least after michigan and with the calendar ahead he could have big mo even if the math as the clinton campaign correctly points out doesn't add up in his favor. >> right. and, you know, the fact that senator sanders has basically a bottomless well of money in that his small donors, small level donors have been giving him $27, maybe its bumped up to $35 per donation. he has really no incentive to get out of the race no matter what happens because he has the

money to keep going. as we saw from michigan the other night, his economic message and particularly i think the message on trade is what rang true and what got through to the voters of michigan. the key test next week, particularly ohio, if he can win ohio i think you will start to see hillary clinton supporters' hair go on fire yet again worried about her -- about her chances. >> so the focus of last night's debate was immigration and a key issue for florida voters who will go to the polls next tuesday. under pressure from both sanders and moderator jorge ramos secretary clinton in a break with the obama administration pledged not to deport children and undocumented immigrants with no criminal record. >> the secretary will remember that one of the great tragedies, human tragedies of recent years

is children came from honduras where there's probably more violence than almost anyplace in this country and they came into this country and i said welcome those children into this country. secretary clinton said, send them back. >> let me -- let me respond, again, because misrepresentations can't go unanswered here. i did say we needed to be very concerned about little children coming to this country on their own very often, many of them not making it and when they got here they needed, as i have argued for, legal counsel, due process. >> can you promise tonight that you don't deport children who are already here? >> i will not deport children. i would not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either, jorge. >> now, i happen to agree with president obama on many, many issues, i think he has done a great job as president of the united states. he is wrong on this issue of deportation.

i disagree with him on that. so to answer your question, no, i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> steve rattner, these debates, first of all, they seem exhausting at this point. it feels like there have been so many. they've gone after each other on their records. it seems on paper bernie sanders has a more solid record in terms of sticking to the message and yet she attacks him in some ways that might be a little mischaracterizing. is that fair? >> i think a couple things. first of all, they have both been in congress for a pretty long time, bernie sanders for a very long time, hillary for a good while, so they have records. they voted on lots of stuff and one of the kind of games in washington is you end up voting on a lot of stuff where you're voting for it for one reason but you're really against it for some other reason and you get caught and we can talk about the auto bailout thing in a minute if you want. so there's plenty in both of those records for each of them to mischaracterize. >> since you know about the auto bailout let me ask you on that

point. that's something we didn't talk about an awful lot about yesterday or the day before, but a lot of news coverage yesterday about how hillary clinton was not honest about bernie sanders' vote on the auto bailout. you obviously were there at ground zero of that auto bailout. did hillary clinton, a candidate you support so i understand i'm putting you in a difficult position, did she misrepresent bernie sanders' position on supporting the auto bailout? >> look, it's a complicated issue but here has honestly as i can convey them are the facts. bernie sanders was in favor, quote/unquote, of saving the auto companies. the problem was -- and this gets exactly to the point i was making before about votes being complicated things -- when tarp that was designed to save the banks came up for a vote twice, once during the end of the bush administration, once early in the obama -- or actually in the transition right before obama was inaugurated, bernie sanders

voted against them -- against it both times. he was really trying to prevent the bailout of the banks but it would have had -- had he been successful, which happily he wasn't -- it would have had the collateral damage of making the auto rescue impossible. so i think it is fair to say that he cast two votes that would have rendered the auto bailout impossible even though he says and did support it in other ways. >> supported it in an earlier vote. mark halperin, that's talk about the debate last night. how do you score it? >> i gave sanders an a minus and secretary clinton a b plus. i think his performance was stronger, the audience i think was inclined towards her but he got more ovations and he drove a cleaner message. she got tougher questions, but the reality is i think her campaign still as you suggested before hasn't figured out what happened in michigan and how to head it off and he still has for democratic audiences a clearer, louder, more emotional message than she does and i thought on

particularly the tough questions about her e-mails, et cetera, she was more rehearsed than she needs to be to be the kind of strong candidate she will have to be to be president of the united states. still ahead on "morning joe," 1,237, ari melber cracks open the rule book to see how a potential floor fight in cleveland could play out. plus. >> there are some people in our party now who are saying donald trump wouldn't be to bad. i mean, okay, maybe he is a liberal, maybe he is a fraud, but, you know, at least he is a dealmaker. we can make deals with him. here is the thing, the truth is that donald trump and hillary clinton are two sides of the same coin. they're not going to reform the system. they are the system. >> carly fiorina is now backing ted cruz. we're going to talk to her about her surprise endorsement and we

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because i think it's time to take our country back. because i think we need real reform. because we have too much economic and too much political power concentrated in the hands

of too few people and i ran because we need a real constitutional conservative serving in the white house. last tuesday we had a primary and i walked into the ballot box and i looked at the ballot and i saw my own name on the ballot. it was kind of a thrill. but then i checked the box for ted cruz and i'm here to tell you why. >> that was former republican presidential candidate carly fiorina. yesterday at her surprise endorsement of senator ted cruz and she joins us now live from coral gables, florida. carly, great to see you again. >> good morning, mika. how are you? hi joe. >> good. we have a little bit of a delay. let's start off now first of all asking you what led to your decision, what were the issues you had to weigh when it came to coming down to endorsing ted cruz? >> well, you know, i weighed them in the voting booth when i voted in the virginia primary,

and i thought why did i run? because i think we need a conservative. because i think we need someone who will actually challenge the system, a system that favors the big, the powerful, the wealthy and well connected and doesn't work for the rest of us. because i think we need someone who isn't afraid to take on the vested interests. and ted cruz is that guy. and importantly, he also can beat donald trump and donald trump needs to be beaten at the ballot box before we can go on and beat hillary clinton. >> is there any other way to sort of stop the trump train, if that's something one would be interested in, because you mentioned at the ballot box, as if that was important. >> well, of course it's important. you know, the republican establishment thought it knew what to do after we lost in 2012 and, you know, their prescription was let's pass comprehensive immigration

reform, let's stop talking about the social issues, let's not rock the boat in washington. those were all exactly the wrong prescriptions and so citizens, voters, republicans have stood up and said, no, that isn't the way we think we need to go in this country and the voters are right. here is the thing about donald trump, he and hillary clinton are two sides of the same coin. donald trump is the system that needs to be reformed. hillary clinton ask the system that she claims she will reform. hillary clinton has made her millions selling access and influence from the inside of that system and donald trump has made his billions buying people like hillary clinton off. they are not going to reform the system, they are going to defend the system. but the only way to beat them is not with establishment leaders disk, disking about voters choices, the only way to beat hillary clinton and donald trump is at the ballot box by providing real solutions in their lives that are going to matter and work. >> mike. >> ms. fiorina, before we get to the ballot box.

>> hi, mike. >> how are you? you're looking good. >> good. >> before we get to the ballot box, the language and the conduct of several of the candidates, specifically mr. trump, has been bothersome to a lot of people during the course of this campaign. do you believe that the candidates who are left, including your candidate now, senator cruz, do you believe that they have an obligation, perhaps even a moral obligation, to speak out about the language and the tenor of this campaign that emboldens so many people across this country to believe things like islam does hate us? >> you know, one of the things, mike, that i said frequently on the campaign trail is i believe character is revealed over time and under pressure and i think ted cruz's character has been revealed because never has he gotten down in the gutter. never has he hurled personal insults. never has he attacked groups of

people. and yes, i think the language is very important and i think what ted cruz has demonstrated is that he is always going to stick to the issues, to the substance. that he is going to appeal to our better angels, not to our demons. and i think that is important. a lot of other candidates, two in particular who will be on the debate stage tonight, have gotten down in that gutter and i don't think it's helpful to our party and it is not helpful to our nation. we need to unify our party and we need to unify our nation. >> it's bianna golodryga. good to see you. at the last republican debate the former -- >> how are you? >> i'm well. thank you. at the last debate the four remaining candidates were asked point-blank if donald trump were the nominee would they support him, they all said yes. if in fact donald trump becomes the republican party's nominee for president would you support him? >> well, look, i have said all

along that i will support our republican nominee but here is a news flash, the media has given donald trump more air time, all outlets of the media, more time than anyone else combined i guess because all of you think he is going to be the nominee, here is the thing, you don't make the call, the voters make the call. while donald trump had a good week this week, here is the thing, we have, i don't know, 40% of the delegates still left so i'm going to spend all my time talking to voters about why this is an important choice and why it's their choice, not the media's choice, not the establishment's choice, this is their choice. >> i don't think -- i don't think the media thinks it's their call. i mean, if you look at the interviews with donald trump, i'd say over the next -- past month, let's just try and pair it down to that because there have been many, i will give you that because he goes on any show he can get on, but i think he has been asked the questions, carly. i think he's been asked the tough questions. i really do.

and it's his answers that apparently the voters are okay with. >> well, look, i totally agree with you that the media is finally starting to ask donald trump some tough questions. it's also true that every single media outlet covered his entire news conference on tuesday night live and did not even mention the fact that ted cruz edged out john kasich for second place in michigan and won idaho. it's also true that we need to make sure that we provide real solutions to voters' lives. why are voters voting for donald trump? it's not because the voters are stupid, it's because donald trump is lying to them. >> well -- >> the big lie donald trump is telling is that he's going to reform the system. he's not going to reform the system. he is the system. he's going to keep the system going that favors the big, the

powerful, the wealthy and the well connected and voters are fed up with the establishment telling them what to do. >> it sounds good. i will tell you this, though, he's being asked about islam and his answer is out there, he's being asked about muslims and a ban on muslims and his answers are out there and i know you said the voters aren't stupid, i'm certainly not saying the voters are stupid, i'm just telling you that in some ethics polls, i think it was 66 to 70% of voters agree with the muslim ban. i mean -- >> well, you know, mika, people are afraid. okay? look, president obama and hillary clinton are okay, let me just turn it around, they're okay with protests that shout, you know, fry the pigs like bacon, but they don't ever

comment on cops getting assassinated in their own cars. does that mean that every democrat hates cops? i don't think so. so i think if you're fair minded there is appalling rhetoric on both sides. i will never defend donald trump's use of rhetoric. he is wrong. but there has been a lot of divisive rhetoric and the democratic party has participated in that divisive rhetoric for the last eight years and it's one of the reasons why we have a divided nation not a unified nation. >> i think you're conflating two really two things and not fairly so about the obama white house in terms of police officers? >> really? i don't know. i talked to a lot of cops who feel like this administration doesn't have their backs. >> i have never seen the president of the united states, barack obama, go out and say more divisive things than this candidate, like purposefully divisive, purposefully not true. okay? let's not --

>> i'm not going to defend donald trump. i am not defending trump. donald trump needs to be beaten at the ballot box. >> would you vote for him in the fall? would you vote for donald trump? for president of the united states. >> here is what the media always does with all due respect you guys keep asking hypotheticals. it's march. don't ask me a hypothetical. we'll see what happens on tuesday in florida. we'll see what happens in this election. but we've got a long way to go between now and november and i'm going to spend my time in the next couple months making sure that ted cruz not donald trump is the republican party nominee. >> we did this before. do you agree or would you call donald trump out for saying that islam hates america? >> you know, mika, i have said from the very beginning, from

the moment donald trump jumped into this race, i said and took a lot of heat for it donald trump does not represent me and he does not represent my party. so i'm clear and on the record on this. i'm here to make sure that donald trump is not our nominee and that ted cruz is. >> carly fiorina, it's always spicy. thank you very much for coming to the table this morning. thanks for being on. >> thanks. still ahead, breaking economic news, a new round of stimulus is on the way for europe. how will it affect the u.s. economy? plus cnbc surveyed the top business leaders find out what republican candidate cfos are putting their money on. oh, which one the cfos. like. >> it's so dam hot. milk was a bad choice. . >> what in the world? life imitates art in west

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>> i thought that that was a clip from scarborough country. >> it is. it's joe in his backyard on vacation. it is. so there is a connection why we're talking about this. it pertains to lawmakers in west virginia who celebrated lifting the state's ban on raw unpasteurized milk by actually drinking raw unpasteurized milk. and now they are all not feeling very well. coincidence? one lawmaker who drank the milk before falling ill told local station wsaz that the milk is not to blame. >> i'm not feeling that great. i think it's probably just some sort of bad stomach virus. >> he says he is not the only one at the capitol sick in the past week. >> there's definitely some other colleagues that have similar symptoms that i've been experiencing. >> this normally wouldn't make headlines but the timing is coincidental. pat and some other lawmakers

drink raw unpasteurized milk to celebrate the passing of a bill that makes it legal and are now sick. the delegate who sponsored the bill brought it in. >> caught me in the hallway and offered a cup to me, do you want to try to be a gentleman, i had a small sip then walked away and tossed the rest of t i highly doubt raw milk had anything to do with it in my case. >> oh, my goodness. >> just terrible. >> did they have nothing else better to do? >> bad choice. mika, bad choice. >> so they're all in there sick? that's gross. >> what did they have for a chaser after? >> sharing a bathroom. >> that is gross. okay. let's turn the page. we have business before the bell now with cnbc's sara eisen. breaking news out of europe, sara. >> right, mika. that's helping wall street with a pretty positive setup this morning. looks like we are in for a strong open. we just got word that the european central bank which is

their major current tropical bank is going to infuse a whole lot of stimulus into the economy to night what they've been seeing which is low inflation and sluggish economic growth. mario drag gi just announced a number of measures and actions they will take to stimulate bank lending, get more easy free money into that economy, help weaken their currency which helps with exports and a number of other exports. that fueled a rally in european stocks and its trans lagtd over into the u.s. as well helping our stock market as well. we got good economic data on our side of the pond in the form of jobless claims. turns out 18,000 fewer americans filed for unemployment benefits last week, that was a big drop, that's good to see, it means few remember layoffs and now those unemployment claims are at a five-month low. the combination of the better economic news here as well as the stimulus over in europe is helping fuel in rally. back to you. >> bianna, what do you think?

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all right. so depending on what happens in tuesday's florida and ohio republican primaries, the possibility increases for a brokered or contested convention. joining us now msnbc chief legal correspondent ari bell mer who has been digging through the rule book. you told me you looked through that rule book and there is not a lot of options, are there? >> there are not a lot of options to stop donald trump. a lot of talk about the brokered convention which is the idea if anyone falls short of a number of delegates there isn't technically a nominee, you need 1,237. people are saying maybe we can stop trump at the convention. if you look at this rule book the first obstacle a silver bullet for donald trump is the democracy rule, rule 16, that basically says any delegate the

front runner wins has to support them on the first ballot. we've heard a lot of talk about maybe there will be multiple ballots, pull up a dream candidate or john kasich or mitt romney. under the rules on that very first ballot every delegate has to support anyone who is still in the race which would be donald trump. so far he has won 44% of the delegates, if he continues on that rate, gets 45%, he will show up for that first ballot and only need 100 or more delegates to join him and that gets us to another good thing if you're donald trump which is there is a bunch of delegates up for grabs. right now the rnc has 298 unbound delegates. they are like republican super delegates, this he could support trump and he could pick off anyone from a campaign that that's been suspended. this is the other silver bullet, something called rule 40, this is the front runner protection rule which was drafted to help mitt romney in 2012 and it basically says on that first

ballot you have to have the majority of delegates from eight states to even have your name considered. translation, if there is a contested convention the only two people likely to be named on that first ballot are donald trump and ted cruz. no one else. not paul ryan, not mitt romney, not john kasich, no one else unless they change this rule. >> joe, it seems to me that you would think that the republican party knows this, so it maybe backs up what's going on yesterday with jeb bush in miami meeting with the other candidates, trying to figure out some sort of -- the concept was maybe -- this isn't the reporting, just people were trying to figure out what might be going on, a unity ticket behind ted cruz? >> except for the fact right now, ari, apparently the calendar now we're about to get into the part of the calendar where the front runner is favored. so where the front runner is helped the most they did this also to try to end things very quickly after the 2012 debacle, so we start having more winner

take all states, right? if you are in the lead like donald trump chances are good now your momentum only picks up. >> he's like to either clinch if he can do well in winner take all or be in that 45 to 49% range which means he will be well positioned to win on a first ballot and not have the fantasy establishment contested convention. >> all right. ari, thank you so much. >> sure. >> fascinating. this is going to be a fascinating process. up next, what, if anything, did we learn today?

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's time to talk about what we learned today. mike barnicle. >> i learned that when i'm in west virginia it's bud light or coca-cola, no milk for me. >> bianna, what did you learn? >> if it comes down to it looks like carly fiorina will in fact endorse donald trump if he becomes the republican party's nominee for the president. >> mika, what did you learn today? >> rick scott. >> yeah. okay. >> that is all. we'll leave it there. we'll leave it there. what did you learn, joe? >> well, i mean, you know, rick is a good friend of mine and i think simple questions are simple questions and, you know, i think i know the answer, what rick would say everybody is welcome in florida. i don't understand why he didn't answer that, but hopefully we will have him back on the show

sometime and ask him. anyway, if it's way too early it is "morning joe." stick around, though, we have a lot to cover. the rest of the day on msnbc, but right now we go to steve kornacki. and good morning. i'm steve kornacki and we are live here at stops coffee rosters in columbus, ohio. this is the capital city of ohio. we are very close to the ohio state university, home of the buckeyes and we are going to be talking a lot about this state, this winner take all state, in next tuesday's republican primary over the next hour we are also going to be turning some attention down south to the sunshine state of florida. that's where many of the republican candidates