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controversies and at types public outrest has broken out over police killings of african-americans. in the st. louis area we saw ferguson, missouri, go up like a cauldron there after the killing of an unarmed teenager named michael brown. in chicago dash cam footage of a 17-year-old laquan mcdonald being shot 16 times by a chicago police officer. in cleveland it was first just the story and then some almost unbelievable footage of cleveland police rolling up on a 12-year-old boy in a city park and shooting him dead in an encounter that took less than three seconds. that was tamir rice who was killed in cleveland. so st. louis area, chicago, cleveland. those are not the only three american cities that have proven to be real tinder boxes around issues of race, racism, policing and violence. but those three happen to be the three most recent stops on the eye tin i can't remember of

republican presidential contender donald trump whose rallies have featured racially charged incidents of violence for months now. but as donald trump's campaign left the deep south and prepared to swing into chicago tonight and cleveland tomorrow, we've seen one part of this phenomenon is becoming more intense at donald trump rallies. there have been instances in the past where he has encouraged or at least praised the idea of violent actions, spoken wistfully of how great it would be to beat people up at rallies, told people he'd pay their legal fees if they'd beat up a protester on his behalf, he's done that in the last. this half tongue in cheek, mostly serious call for a tougher america where there are more beatings and where anti-trump protesters should fear for their lives. as he heads into these tinder box cities today and tonight i want you to watch how that part of candidate donald trump's

rhetoric has escalated. we have put date stamps on these comments from him. these are all comments from him, from the podium, at his public events. we've put date stamps on them so you can see when he made them. we've laid these out in chronological order. if you want to see the yes shen dough, if you want to see the deliberate act that created what happened to be night in chicago, well, watch where it came from and where this culminates is over the course of what has happened today into tonight, nothing we've ever seen in mainstream american politics wea before. we have seen this at the fringe. when i was a kid growing up in northern california in the 1980s you used to see this kind of thing atkin head events. this is now mainstream, front-runner, republican national politics. and tonight in chicago it really turned into playing with fire. if you want to know where it came from and you want me to prove to you that it was deliberate, what happened tonight in chicago, well, here's where it came from. watch, this is chronological.

>> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay? knock the hell -- i promise you i will pay for the legal fees. i lot of the old days. you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. that's true. i'd like to punch him in the face. in the good old days, they'd rip him out of that seat so fast. but today everybody's politically correct. our country's going to hell with being politically correct. going to hell. get him out of here, please, get him out. get him out. are you from mexico? are you from mexico? are you from mexico? get out of here, get out. out! oh, this is amazing.

so much fun. i love it, i love it. we having a good time? usa, usa! >> usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa! >> all right yeah, get him out. try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court, don't worry about it. we had four guys, they jumped at him, swinging and sweepinging. the next day we got killed in the press. we were too rough. give me a break. you know? right? we don't want to be too politically correct anymore, right, folks? get him out of here. get him out, get him out of here. get him out. are these rallies the most fun of everybody, right? we have the most fun. do we have the most fun? yeah, get him out of here. get him out.

get him out. so disruptive. remember when bernie sanders, they took the mike away from him? that's not going to happen with us, folks. that's not going to happen. remember that? he walked away from the mike and he stood back and he watched these two young girls talking to the audience and they said, we came to listen to him. and he was standing in the back as two women took the mike away. no, that doesn't happen to us. get that guy out of here. get him out. get that guy out of here. get him out of here. get him out. we had some people, some rough guys like we have right in here. and they started punching back. it was a beautiful thing. i mean, they started punching back. in the good old days, this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. and when they protested once, you know, they would not do it again so easily. but today they walk in and they

put their hand up and they put the wrong finger in the air at everybody and they get away with murder. because we've become weak. we've become weak. >> anybody who tells you there's no connection between the behavior of the mob at these events and the behavior of the man at the podium leading the mob at these events is not actually watching what he's been saying from the podium. what he has been saying and the way he has been egging this sort of thing on, it is escalating. that very last clip we just showed there, that was in fayetteville, north carolina on wednesday night. and that was when the trump supporter threw that sucker-punch elbow in the face of a protester who was being taken occupant event. that man there with the ponytail, arrested and charged the next day. if you want to know why things escalated today to the point where this donald trump rally had to be canceled tonight in chicago, because security fears that there was no way it could be kept under control and then

it quickly proved the point? if you want to know why this happened tonight, consider that that trump supporter was charged with physically assaulting that protester at a trump rally yesterday. he was arrested and charged yesterday. and then this is how donald trump today, again in st. louis -- not exactly a city that is at ease on issues like this right now, right? this is how donald trump today in st. louis talked about violence at his rallies, talked about the rightness or wrongness of his supporters throwing punches at protesters and beating people up at his events. this is what happened today at the event before chicago went off the rails tonight. >> you know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore. right? and they're being politically correct the way they take them out. so it takes a little bit longer. and honestly, protesters, they rrlts it. they realize that there are no consequences to protesting anymore.

there used to be consequences, there are none anymore. so that's it. thank you very much. thank you. are they gone? yeah, they're gone. our country has to toughen up, folks. we have to toughen up. these people are bringing us down. remember that. they're bringing us down. no reason for it. these people are so bad for our country, you have no idea, folks. you have no idea. they contribute nothing, nothing. they can get up and when they're being whisked out they can raise their bad finger up in the air and drive people, which is very unfair, and some people get very angry at that because you know what that represents. and then when they get a little bit overly angry, they're in trouble. the guy that raised his finger? no, that's no problem. that's no problem. get out of here.

get out of here, get him out. get him out. troublemaker. get him out of here. hurting this country, folks. hurting this country. big mouth. get him out. go home to mommy. go home. go home and get a job. go home, get a job. get a job. i'll tell you, these are not good people, folks. just so you understand. you know. these are not good people. and i heard this was going to happen, and they said, mr. trump, would you like to cancel? i said, absolutely not. these are not good people. these are not the people that

made our country great. but we're going to make it great again. but these are not the people. these are the people that are destroying our country. get him out, get him out. come on, let's go, get him out. >> that's the way that donald trump has been talking about protesters at his events. that's the way that he has been directing his supporters at events to treat those protesters. that was today. if you want to know what led up to chicago tonight, that was donald trump's display of leadership and calming the waters at his event this afternoon. apparently officials of some kind in st. louis were worried enough about what was going to happen at that rally that it was suggested to mr. trump, at least he said it was, that maybe that

event should be canceled. that event was not canceled. it went on, mr. trump lamented that we can't be rough enough with protesters anymore, that these are terrible people, that these are the people destroying our country that we need to toughen up as a country anybody who gets in trouble because they do something to a protester who gives them the finger, that is the -- yeah. that's what he did in st. louis. they didn't cancel st. louis. they did cancel chicago. after the streets were full around the venue. after the venue itself was full of thousands of people. and they just let them all in. and then they called it off. and then they left. and just let them fight it out, literally fight it out. american presidential politics isn't like this for anybody else. american presidential politics did not get this way on its own. this is the work of an american presidential candidate who deliberately made this happen. and the republican party is about to nominate him for president. her

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there are consequences to the words of a presidential candidate as well. you have a candidate in donald trump who clearly has used language that appeals to anger and has said to the crowd, let's beat this person up, let's do this, let's do that. it shouldn't surprise us that you see a growing amount of violence at some of his events. i would point out there isn't violence at my events, there isn't violence at ted's events, there isn't violence at a kasich event, there isn't violence at a clinton event. there's only one presidential candidate who has violence at his events. i do think donald needs to realize and take responsibility for the fact that some of the rhetoric he has used could potentially be contributing to this environment that is growing increasingly disturbing for a number of americans. >> that was marco rubio, florida senator and presidential candidate, speaking earlier this evening in naples, florida, in response to what happened tonight in chicago. this donald trump event being canceled for security reasons. the trump campaign was earlier saying they had canceled the

event on the advice of the chicago police department. we'll talk about that in more detail a little bit later on. chicago police department is now saying that they never recommended to the trump campaign that they cancel this event. we'll try to get to the bottom of that. danielle villarreal, she was one of the people who was holding up that big sign we've shown images of which says "trump equals hate." thank so much for being with us tonight. >> yeah, thanks for having me, thank you. >> tell me about your decision to protest tonight and tell me what happened when you were inside the venue. so basically a bunch of decided to go to the protest and put this banner on. because he's really something that does not in any way represent what chicago is for any of us. he's something actually like completely the opposite of that. and it's funny the rhetoric to me that really stuck out that i was hearing before the commercial break, him talking about the troublemakers, the

troublemakers. i understand that many people in that rally would have thought of us that way. but the reason we were there is because the chicago police, for example, like how many -- the exact same rhetoric, who are the troublemakers, who are the troublemakers? the troublemakers are people of color and children of color and they're being murdered on an unequivocal level by our police departments, by our military. it's horrific to see someone who is gunning pun intended to be president of the united states using the same violent rhetoric against his own people -- >> given that's your critique of him as a candidate and what he represents, i ask about this decision you made to put the swastika on the banner. that's an allegation against him that he's running a nazi-style campaign or that he's a nazi-style candidate? obviously whatever the argument is behind that that's going to make people see red, that's going to be very provocative.

>> it should -- if it's going to make people see red, perhaps that would be the blood of children that have been murdered in the same name of violence. by the police across the country, right? so like you say, want to see red, yes. that is the same red in the nazi flag, that is the same red that fills in far fascism, they should see word. they should see it. >> sorry, danielle, i lost you there for one second. let me ask you also, sorry. in the venue, we could see when you guys moved from that up ever area, thats me intra known where you were, onto the floor what did you experience there as the event was sort of -- it had been announced it was canceled, as it was breaking up? >> well, we went onto the floor because a lot of other protesters were on the floor, and we wanted to make sure they were okay, we wanted to be with people that were also on our side. we were encountering lots of

white middle-aged suburbanites who were very angry for us having a message against theirs and decided to try to rip the banner away from us in an act of violence because that's basically the only strength they could demonstrate as something violent against us. god forbid they should actually try to speak to us and understand our rhetoric is not only on par with theirs but ethically correct, then they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. >> did you get shoved around in a way that was uncomfortable or dangerous? >> yeah, absolutely. many of them were shoving us, pushing us, trying to rip the banner from us. i for one, you can see my mouth moving on tv saying, stop, stop, you don't need to do this, back off, leave us alone. but there was just so much anger there. and you're totally right that trump is riling people up, that his rhetoric is intentional

around violence. because they know that that's what hits home with a lot of people, unfortunately. when they're like suffering from like systemic poverty, when they're suffering from systemic violence, and there's racism permeating every bit of our culture, that violence somehow gets to the heart of that. and he's playing on that. he's playing people for that. >> danielle villarreal, one of the protesters tonight against donald trump who we actually captured footage of with these scenes of the cancelation of the rally and the aftermath, thank you for helping us understand what you saw tonight, appreciate you being here. >> yeah, absolutely, thank you. >> i should tell you that we do have a little bit of new information from the chicago fire department. chicago fire department confirms they transported three people from the site of the rally tonight to the hospital. three people injured. one officer who's listed as being in good condition. and two civilians who are also listed as being in good condition. this appears to be the officer

who's hurt, he's got blood coming out of some kind of wound looks like on his scalp, on the side of his head. he's obviously able to walk on his own, on his own power. he's listed there as police, he'll be a chicago police officer in all likelihood, although he could be university of chicago police. again, the tally that we've got from chicago fire department is one officer injured and taken to hospital but in good condition, and two civilians injured but taken to hospital in good condition. we've got a sound bite on our list as s-1. i'd like to play that for a second as a sort of fact-checking thing. we got a notice from the chicago police department essentially trying to clarify whether or not they were the reason that this rally got canceled so suddenly tonight. one of the things that was really remarkable watching this scene unfold live was that there was all these thousands of people crammed into this room. it's a very tense atmosphere anyway because it's a lot of trump supporters and it's a lot of trump protesters like the one

you heard articulating her case just a moment ago live on our air. all those people in the same room, in this tense atmosphere, with this increasing violence and increasing violent incitement from the podium at donald trump rallies at these events. and then there's this live no warning announcement that the event was canceled. the trump campaign seemed to characterize it as an event that was made, if not by the chicago police department, then at least in conjunction with the chicago police department. this is how they announced it. >> mr. trump just arrived in chicago. and after meeting with law enforcement has determined that for the safety of all the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight's rally will be postponed until another day. thank you very much for your attendance and please go in peace.

[ booing ] >> many people did go in peace, some people did not. it's interesting. the wording of that was after meeting with law enforcement, mr. trump determined that for the safety of tens of thousands of people at reserve tonight's rally would be postponed. an awkward, difficult, and dangerous to public safety decision to cancel it that way once there were already thousands of people inside the streets, also thousands inside the venue, including lots of people who disagreed with each other very strongly. after that happened a spokesperson for the chicago police department came out and said explicitly chicago police never recommended to the trump campaign that he cancel this event. the chicago police department spokesman tells the associated preston night, chicago p.d. never told the trump campaign there was a security threat at the university of illinois at chicago venue, spokesperson said the department did have sufficient manpower on the scene to handle any situation, but nevertheless, mr. trump and his campaign canceled the rally in chicago. i should also mention that

according to the chicago police department, not only did they not tell donald trump to cancel this event tonight, they also say that the university police department also didn't recommend to the trump campaign that they call off this event. the police say this was made 100% by the campaign, this decision was made 100% by the campaign, and any idea that the police said that you can't do this because it's not safe, the police are denying that is the way this went down. we've got an interview, extensive interview, with donald trump himself about what happened tonight and why. and that's coming up next, stay with us. you show up. you stay up. you listen. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts. so when you're ready, start with us.

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particularly the people who were left on that floor and the people who were involved in a lot of the stuff like you're seeing here. joining us on the phone is political reporter mariana hearn from chicago, thank you for being with us. i know this is a busy night for you. >> crazy night, crazy to be inside. from the minute we saw this crowd, really as you mentioned they were not trump supporters. i would say 60/40. maybe 40% were trump supporters. there's no way that crowd, they were -- very diverse, a lot of college students. a lot of people who wanted to come to see the spectacle. but there were a lot of people who also came to cause obstruction. >> one of the things we have seen at other trump events, going back to before the end of the year last year. well into this campaign. is that his campaign has sort of policed entry into his events to try to keep large numbers of protesters out.

obviously some people sneak through. but we've seen things that even made people uncomfortable where they were looking at people's signs and buttons and trying to make sure it was really only people who were pro-trump and they called it a private event and they reserved the right to exclude anybody on any means. doesn't sound like they did anything like that tonight. >> no. and you know, from the minute they announced they were coming to the uac pavilion, we're close to downtown on a college campus, pretty much a commuter, very diverse campus here at uic. we were all stunned. this is not the college campus that donald trump would go to. you'd go to the suburbs. you'd go out into naperville, out into lake county, further away from the city. i have never seen a republican candidate have a rally in downtown chicago. and i've been here many, many years. so we were sort of dumbfounded at the beginning that he was coming to this event. then to see the people lined up, i thought wonder who's going to show up.

sure enough lots of folks came. but you knew from the beginning, these were not folks that were supporting donald trump. >> one of the things that i have been sort of poking at tonight, and i recognize it's a provocative thesis, but i feel like this was deliberately created as a spectacle for political effect. and the reason that i'm saying this i know it's provocative to say it. the evidence that i see for that includes the fact that mr. trump has increasingly made protesters and the act of throwing protesters out of his events and his desire, his wistful desire, that more violence could be directed at those protesters, he's increasingly made that central to all of these events. it's really escalated. started escalating in the deep south for the s.e.c. primary. over the course of today in st. louis, further escalation from him. it would seem to be to sort of add to that thesis that he was going to be at uic, that he was going to be in downtown chicago, particularly if as you say there wasn't any effort to make sure

it was a pro-trump crowd. >> right. you know, and we just hung up the phone with the chicago police department. because his statement tonight was that he had consulted with law enforcement and decided this wasn't a good idea. well, he did not consult with the chicago police. they have said, no, no one called us, no one called the superintendent, they had no idea this was going to happen. they felt that they had this under control. i was in there. i was -- i have to tell you, i was a little bit nervous watching these folks. i was up on the press riser. i thought, i hope this riser's solid because i'm not sure where this is all going tonight. you could feel it. it was a powder keg. it was like a volcano about to erupt. the back and the forth and as soon as they announced this was over, people were just wow. >> you said about the chicago pd, we've seen the tape, we played it a couple times

tonight, where somebody got up to the podium and set this whole thing off and said, after meeting with law enforcement, mr. trump is determined that for the safety of blah, blah, blah tonight's rally will be postponed. we then got a statement further to that effect from mr. trump on fox news saying that essentially police told him to call it off. let's play that hear what he said. >> people are going to get fed up with it. let me just tell you, sean. at some point -- we have people waiting in line for five and six and seven hours. to get in. and then they get in and they get shut out and they get, you know -- you're talking about right of free speech and all of the other things. you know, that we all know. it's so unfair. but you had people that got here at 11:00 and 10:00 in the morning. waited all day. and then they get protesters. and the protesters all showed up pretty much at the same time. so it was totally organized.

they didn't just drift in. they just boom all of a sudden showed up. so at some point -- they won't get away with this stuff because it's going to be -- >> at some point they won't get away from this stuff, that's not what i expected him to be saying. what he said a moment later, i don't know why we pulled the wrong thing, was, mr. hannity asked him, did law enforcement recommend this to you? and donald trump said, yeah, they did recommend it, they strongly recommended it. the chicago police department is not saying that's the way it happened. >> maybe trump law enforcement, maybe he has his own eyes and ears in here. because the chicago police, who aren't exactly the most willing to go on the record at a moment's notice and tell us, they quickly answered my call and said no, we were not consulted. we took not any part in this decision. he never came to the venue, he was not here. >> he never came to the venue, they never met with him, there was no consultation between the

police and the campaign, the campaign appears to have made this independently, this decision independently, to set this -- basically to set off this firecracker in this room that you're talking about. and they're blaming it on the police. that's remarkable. >> i think there would have been -- there would have been a firecracker no matter what, rachel, with him in the room, and he probably would have had to walk off the stage. >> yeah. >> there were just way too many people in that room ready to disrupt it. >> wmaq political reporter marianne ahern, i really appreciate you being with us what a night. thanks for being here. >> thank you so much. >> marianne american, wmaq, in chicago. do we actually -- because we played the wrong thing, do we have that other assertion from mr. trump on fox? can we play that, please? >> did law enforcement recommend this to you as well? you have secret service protection. were they -- >> they did, they recommended it. they did strongly recommend it. >> not according to the chicago pd. this is remarkable.

this is going to be an important part of this. i'm telling you, this will go down, this will be described by the trump campaign and by people who both support him and apologize for him this will go down as some sort of victimization of donald trump. these protesters are so against him, the violence was going to be so inevitable, we had no control, the violence is coming from the protesters, we had to act responsibly to protect public safety and call off this event, the police told us we'd have to, that they couldn't constrain these terrible anti-donald trump protesters. you know what? let that not be the fake history of this event. the real history of this event is the chicago police department and the university police department say, they did not see a security threat, they did not tell the donald trump campaign to call this off. the donald trump campaign created this event, they created the dynamic of violence between their own supporters and protesters, they set this thing up in chicago, they put it in motion, they got all of those thousands of people in that same room, and then they decided on their own terms and with their own timing to call it off.

it's their own creation. their own deliberate creation. donald trump in his interview with chris matthews a little while ago this evening, we'll have that for you right after this.

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realize your buying power at open.com we have donald trump on the line, thank you for joining us. what's going on here? >> well, i came to the area and we just landed. and a little while ago -- i guess we had 25,000 requests for tickets from supporters. they were filling in. a group of people on the other side, and i felt, and after meeting with law enforcement, we met with them for about a half an hour today, chris. i felt that it was just safer. i don't want to see anybody get hurt. and, you know. so far, it seems to be working that way. but i felt it was much better to cancel rather than allow this to happen. we had thousands of people outside trying to get in. supporters. thousands of them. far more than -- i think there are 10,000 seats. we had probably 25,000 people we

said don't come, don't come. we started working on it a little while ago, two hours ago, telling people, don't show up. we announced that for security reasons we were going to cancel it, postpone, come back some other time. >> we're seeing a lot of the pictures here -- >> chris, i think it was the right thing to do under the circumstances. >> we've got television pictures which are going to haunt this country. i don't want to get into racial stuff. you can watch the thing. it has an ethnic factor. you see people from different backgrounds getting in each other's faces. somebody throws a punch, they give each other the finger. you see a person there being held by the police. these people are so angry, they're angry over the issues you've raised. immigration, i guess. the people who are protesting your rally really don't like the people at the rally now. they've identified them -- >> we have a very divided country, chris. >> i know you've got free speech, i understand. >> we have a country that's so divided that maybe even you don't understand it. i've never seen anything like it. and this has been going on for years. and on one side you have people

that haven't been -- haven't had a pay increase in ten years, frankly. and the businesses are moving out of the country. and they're upset and they're angry. on the other side, you have people that feel differently about other elements. and, you know, it all comes together. and you know, you see it all over. you see it here, you see it in lots of different locations. and there's a lot of anger in the country. and it's very sad to see, actually. >> do you want to -- i'm not going to tell you what do do or ask you, you're the guy running your campaign, it's your campaign. do you want to tell the people who are with you not to engage with these protesters, not to give them a fight situation, not to engage? are you discouraging them from -- >> i actually did that. saying that we're going to postpone the rally, we actually said, you know, be peaceful and go in peace. and for the most part they have, chris. i think this is a lot better than if we had the rally go through. you have so much anger in the country. it's just anger in the country. it's not directed at -- i don't think it's directed at me or anything, it's just directed at

what's been going on for years. and it's on both sides. it's a double slip. you have people that are very, very upset about what's happening with the country as a country, and you have other people that just don't feel right about things. those people are outside, they were coming inside. and rather than have -- rather than having everybody get in and mix it up i thought it would be a wise thing -- after speaking with law enforcement, i just thought it would be a wise thing for us to postpone this rally. >> last thought, mr. trump. are you going to make any changes in your rhetoric? because it looks like -- you can't have a rally now in bag city anymore, because if you accept the big diverse crowd then you don't vet people coming in, we're going to see a replay of this, looks like. different people are watching this with different reactions. some people say, i'm not going to go to a situation like that. some people say, i like that kind of a situation, i'll be going to that the next time. you know how people react to crowd situations.

>> no, i think, look, we've had -- for the most part we've had by far the biggest rallies. literally we had over 25,000 people wanting to come today. and it's incredible. when you look at it. i've had many -- i've had the biggest rallies by far, far bigger than bernie or anybody. frankly we've had very, very little disruption, we've had protests where an individual would stand up and they'd be whisked out. not a big deal. but we have had very, very little protests and we've had nobody hurt. and hopefully we can keep that going. that's why i did this today. i don't want to see people hurt. or worse. and i think we made the right move in doing that chris, rather than -- >> i agree but let me -- >> -- forcing a very bad situation. >> we're watching a recurring tape, an african-american guy in his 30s maybe, not much older, young guy. very little class guy. he's well dressed. he's really angry. what do you say to him if you had a chance to chat with that

guy about what you're trying to do for this country as potential president? what do you say to him? >> i want to bring back jobs. you talk about african-american youth. 58%, 59% unemployment rate. you have to bring back jobs. i'd be angry too. looking at him, he looks like he's an intelligent guy, but there's a lot of anger. frankly we have to bring jobs back in this country. our jobs are going to mexico, our jobs are going all over the world, everywhere but here. you see nabisco moving out, ford moving out, everybody's leaving. these kids are not getting jobs. you know, it's not going to work if we don't have jobs. >> mr. trump, why did you say go get a job when you're saying you're going on bring jobs? you recognize these kids, young people sometimes, of all groups, don't have jobs. why did you mock the guy today and say, go get a job? >> because, frankly, he was a very nasty guy. he was somebody that was giving us -- he was very, very loud.

very boisterous. and he was swinging his fists. and he just looked to me like somebody that frankly maybe he did have a job, maybe he didn't, i don't know. it was something to say, nothing wrong with saying it, go get a job. the fact is it's not easy to get jobts -- >> i know, you're saying two things. one thing that makes sense, people angry because the economic squeeze is brutal. minorities, white people, everybody, they're not getting a chance coming out of school. 18, 19, 25, 35, nothing's happening in their lives so they're angry, they've got nothing to lose. you seem to sympathize with that. then in that arena tonight you're calling a guy and bum, saying go get a job. of course he's going to get mad at you. >> he was mad long before i said that, chris. he was jumping up and down for 15 minutes. and actually could have been dangerous for people. he was a very bad dude. and jumpi ining up and down, dangerous. nobody mentions the other side. there are two sides. some of these protesters are

very dangerous people. you know, you always say, oh, they need the right to protest. and that's fine with me. but some of these protesters are extremely dangerous, extremely physical. frankly when the other side or when the side that let's say is not necessarily known as the protester, when they get tough, it ends up being a front-page story. when the protester gets tough, nobody ever writes that. i can tell you stories about protesters we've had that you would be 100% on our side if you saw what happened. it's a two-way street. >> do you think -- is this going to affect the voting? everybody's voting on tuesday. all these big states like illinois where this is. things going on tonight in downtown chicago. people are going to be voting in nearby ohio in florida, missouri, which is nearby. did you think people coming on the republican side to vote are going to -- how are they going to react to these pictures when they go to vote for you? >> i don't know. two people told me that are experts saying this increases the vote for trump. because you know what we're doing. we had a peaceful rally here. and you're not even allowed to

have a rally anymore in this country. we had a peaceful rally. in order to make sure nobody gets hurt i said, let's postpone the rally. you can't even have a rally in a major city in this country anymore without violence or potential violence. and i didn't want to see the real violence. and that's why i decided to call it off. i just thought it would be good. and i met with law enforcement and we could have done it, would have done it, we could have done it. but i decided not to do it. but it's very tough. i think, you know, a lot of people said, oh, this is going to increase it. this has nothing to do with my decision today. my decision is i just don't want to see people hurt. i worry about people hurt, we can come back and do it another time. >> a guy waving a sign, heat be hispan hispanic, i can't tell, liberation, not deportation. what's your reaction to that message from a protester? >> i have no reaction to it. we have don't have people come in it's got to be done through a process, it's got to be legal or we don't have a country. they have to come in legally,

chris. very simple. we have to have borders. if we don't have borders, we don't have a country. >> do you think people should get the message you figure they're going to get, that watching something like this is an object lesson, is your argument to be what you said, going between now and tuesday, which is all-important, could decide this nomination process by tuesday, you could win the whole thing. do you think people should have the attitude, mr. trump tried to hold a rally today, it was disrupted by critics, this is wrong. is that the message? >> i think a lot of people think that. i think a lot of people think that it was wrong that we were really stopped from holding a rally. now, i didn't have to be stopped. but if i held a rally, people would have been potentially very badly hurt and i don't want to see people hurt. so i think we were given credit for doing this. things like this, usually they have the rally. chicago's the home of some very, very bad rallies. you know that okay? all you have to do is look back at the conventions they had in

chicago, one in particular where tremendous numbers of people were hurt and i believe killed. i don't want to see anything like that happen. i made a decision. i spoke with law enforcement and made it in conjunction with law enforcement. and i think we made a wise decision. because it seems to be working out very well. those are earlier pictures that you see here on your screen. >> they were earlier. >> earlier pictures. so far it's worked out where nobody's even hurt. >> that may be a good call. let me ask you between now and tuesday, will you try another rally? or is that it for a while? >> we're doing others. and we've had very good -- we've had up to this point, we've had no problem. we've had a couple of individual protesters today in st. louis, we had some protesters but they were for the most part individual protesters that would stand up, start screaming, and they'd be removed. it was not a big deal. and frankly it went very well. but this is a little bit of a different circumstance. and it's a little bit sad when you can't have a rally in a major city in this country. you know, we can't have a rally

in a major city. whatever happened to freedom of speech? whatever happened to the right together to get and speak in a very peaceful manner? so it's a little bit sad to see this. in fact, it's a lot sad to see this. but, you know, i just felt for the benefit of safety, i don't want to see people hurt. i canceled for tonight. the only thing is, when you set up a rally? chicago, which as city which is majority hispanic and african-american now, i believe the statistics are, that you went into a situation where you knew there would be a lot of people on a saturday that would have the time and the passion to come out like this fellow we're watching on tape, to come out and protest your situation. so there was really no surprise here, was there, in what happened? given the venue of your event? >> chris, it shouldn't matter. it shouldn't matter. you're the first one to say it. it shouldn't matter. whether it was, you know -- whoever lives in the city. i mean, it shouldn't make a difference. whether it's white, black,

hispanic, it shouldn't matter. if you have a rally, you have a rally. >> they don't like what you're saying. >> we shouldn't be restricted from having a rally here because of ethnic makeup or anything like that. i'm somebody that feels strongly that it shouldn't make any difference. and you usually feel that too. that's why i'm surprised you're bringing this up. it shouldn't matter. >> i believe you could have predicted this. that's all i'm saying. you could have predicted this. >> chris, we shouldn't be able to predict it. it shouldn't -- we really shouldn't be able to predict it, we should be able -- it's a major city in the united states. it's a great city, chicago. you know, a place that i have investments, big investments, it's a great city. it shouldn't matter that we're having a rally in chicago or that we're having a rally someplace else. you know, if i watch your show and you're the first one to say that, so i'm surprised you're saying this, to be honest with you. but i think we did the right thing. a lot of people are saying we did the right thing. in fact, we're being given credit for it.

and i just -- i think it's breaking up now and it will be -- looks like it's going to be just fine. >> let's see how this percolates. mr. trump, thank you again for coming on. >> thank you, take care of yourself, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> donald trump earlier this evening calling in to chris matthews as he was covering this unfolding scenario in chicago. mr. trump remarkably in that interview wanting credit, wanting this to be seen as a political asset for him, that this rally at his event in chicago was called off. not at the insistence of the police but as a decision made by him and by his campaign after it filled up with protesters, after increasing trends at his rallies where protesters are not just roughed up at those events but mr. trump celebrates that fact from the podium. we'll be right back. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life.

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protesters saying, we're going to be all right, we're going to be all right. this is after the announcement was made the trump rally was canceled in chicago. we're keeping an eye on this situation in chicago tonight. the protests do seem to have mostly died down. we're told there are some people who are out in the streets literally, just some people, a handful, at the trump tower in downtown chicago. we're not sure how this is going to work out overnight. i will tell you donald trump events, donald trump rallies, are planned for tomorrow in dayton, ohio, and cleveland, ohio, and kansas city, missouri. what happened tonight in chicago did not happen in a vacuum. what you saw today in st. louis ahead of chicago foretold this

story tonight and the campaign foretold it even before then. so we'll keep monitoring this situation in chicago throughout the night. this is a dark and remarkable day in american politics. mb msnbc's continuing political coverage is up next. chaos in chicago. a postponed donald trump event ends in screaming, shoving, and angry scuffles indoors and on the streets outside. good to be with you, i'm francis rivera in new york at msnbc world headquarters. just hours after an ugly scene at what should have been a campaign rally, fears of violence forced its cancelation and confrontations there spilling into the city streets. here's how it unfolded with reaction. >> tonight's rally will be postponed until another day. >> we have a country that's so