gm, everyone. i'm tamron hall live in cleveland, ohio. we begin this early morning with breaking news. we're just two hours away from a donald trump rally here in ohio. this after violence erupted at a rally and it was forced to shut down before it even started in chicago. trump supporters are already lining up ahead of a rally at 10:00 a.m. eastern time right outside of cleveland, ohio, in dayton. trump also has a 2:00 p.m. rally

here in cleveland. and a 7:00 p.m. rally in kansas city. this hour we will hear from senator marco rubio who will address reporters in florida. this news conference called after last night's violence in chicago. and later we will hear from senator bernie sanders who is set to hold a news conference of his own in chicago today. this all happening, again, just days before pivotal primaries in illinois and ohio. this is after the scene you watched play out. the trump campaign canceled the rally in chicago last night after bursts of violence between protesters and trump supporters. inside the venue at the university of illinois at chicago pavilion on the west side. essentially in the heart of that city. last night my colleague chris matthews talked to the republican front-runner about his message to his supporter, his rhetoric, and what role he played in what we all watched play out last night.

>> do you want to tell the people who are with you not to engage with these protesters, not to give them a fight situation, not to engage? are you discouraging them? >> i actually did that in saying that we're going to postpone the rally. we actually said, you know, be peaceful and go in peace. and for the most part they have, chris. i think this is a lot better than if we had the rally go through. and you have so much anger in the country. i mean, it's just anger in the country. it's not directed at -- i don't think it's directed at me or anything. it's just directed at what's going on for years. and it's on both sides. it's a double -- it's a double slip. you have people that are very, very, you know, upset about what's happening with the country as a country. and you have other people that just don't feel right about things. those people are outside, they were coming inside. and rather than having everybody get in and mix it up, i thought

it it was a wise thing -- after speaking with law enforcement, i just thought it would be a wise thing for us to postpone this early. >> last thought, mr. trump. are you going to make any changes in your rhetoric? it looks like to me you can't have a rally now in a big city anymore because if you accept a big diverse crowd and then you don't vet people coming in, we're going to see a replay of this it looks like because, you know, different people are watching this with different reactions. some people say i'm not going to go to a situation like that and some people say i like that kind of a situation, i'll be going to that the next time. you know how people react in those situations? >> you're right about that. we've had -- for the most part we've had by far the biggest rallies. literally we had over 25,000 people wanting to come today. it's incredible. i've had the biggest rallies so far, bigger than anybody. frankly we've had very, very little disruption. we've had some protests where an individual would stand up and, you know, they would be whisked

out. not a big deal. but we have had very, very little protests and we've had nobody hurt. >> and the chicago police department now pushing back on trump's assertion that the campaign canceled the rally after discussions with police. take a listen. >> at approximately 6:30 this evening we were informed that the event was being canceled. the chicago police department had no role. we were not consulted or provided an opinion oz to whether or not the event should be canceled. in fact, i can tell you that we did assure the trump campaign that we had more than adequate resources. illinois is one of five states holding primaries on tuesday. trump's rivals are all now taking the opportunity to in various ways condemn the violence. governor john kasich is neck and neck with donald trump here in the state of ohio. he released a statement last

night which reads, tonight the seeds of division that donald trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly. some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protests into violence. but we can never let that happen. i urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. meanwhile, ted cruz commenting last night at an event in suburban chicago just a few miles away from what played out at that rally, said this. >> and when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of

nasty -- >> at this hour we are expecting in about 25 minutes from now to hear from senator rubio who addressed the campaign. here's what he said last night. >> he does bear responsibility for some of the other things that have happened at his events, including people being punched in the face, allegedly a reporter also being roughed up the other day. i think there's blame to go around here. our reporters are out in the field covering all the angles of this breaking news right now. nbc's kerry sanders is in cleveland. we have trymaine lee at the site of the protests last night in chicago. ali joins us and we have hallie jackson not very far away from here and shaquille brewster. this rally is set to start in two hours. already donald trump tweeting out, quote, the organized group

of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our first amendment rights in chicago, have totally energized america. you have people lined up already to see him. what is so -- there many levels to this but donald trump's use of the word thugs, when one of his supporters sucker punched a protester leaving a rally in north carolina. he described that man as someone who is angry and passionate, but choosing deliberately to pepper in the word of thugs know that he has two rallies. one in a suburban area but one later today near the city, a more diverse area. >> and that's what you saw in chicago last night, tamron. and donald trump sort of reacting to this this morning. you heard him overnight talking on msnbc telling chris matthews that he believes that this is a division not that hess creating that is sort of inherent in american culture at this moment in time. an anger as he talked about this dividing the nation. i tell you, i chatted with folks

in the crowd here this morning. people have been lining up here since 1:00 in the morning. the first couple in line drove in from cincinnati or from kentucky. they came in just to see donald trump. i want to step out of the way so you can see folks streaming in. all indications this rally will go on. there's a mixed reaction to coming here today after seeing the footage and seeing the images from chicago. trump supporter, i spoke with one woman who said, yeah, she was nervous a little bit about coming but felt if she, in her words, kept her mouth shut, she would be okay. i spoke with another gentleman who said that he believed trump's cancelation of the rally in chicago waus was actually a sign of strength. he thought trump looked presidential by essentially trying to keep the protesters safe, as this young man said, and trying to keep his supporters safe as well. so at this point no disturbances here in dayton. it's sort of business as usual as folks are heading into this hangar about 90 minutes before this event begins. but i would be shocked to hear donald trump not address this today. you know that trump is somebody

who comes out at these events, tamron, and talks about the news of the day and talks about the headlines happening. i would expect this to be one of the first words of out his mouth, discussing what happened in chicago and what's happening here today, the images sort of -- you can't stopwatching what happened. >> and to your point, hallie, listen, we know that he's going to say something about what happened in chicago. the question is, what tone will he take? will he use this as an opportunity to fuel more violent rhetoric? we heard him last night with chris matthews take no responsibility for his rhetoric. he told don lemon on cnn he doesn't regret things like telling people in the old days, people would be brought out on the stretcher, punching people. he's taking no responsibility for how this could play into this. so what he says today, we know he's going to say something. it's what message, do those people who are showing up want to hear from donald trump? give me a better description,

hallie, of that area because as we pointed out, this community near cleveland where this rally is set to take place later today, when i was flying in one of the african-american ministers who donald trump had come to his headquarters in new york and say they supported him was on my flight. he claimed that he would be at this rally tomorrow -- today, i should say, and another one possibly planned over the weekend to show his support. the area you're in right now, this is near airport hangar. it's a little more isolated than being in the heart of chicago on the west side in the middle of a college. >> very different. sure, it's dayton, ohio. it's a working class ohio town. the actual physical location of this airport hang gar is out by the airport, further out from what you would call the downtown or central area of dayton. you see the folks walking in. a huge crowd. hundreds of people have already sort of poured in to this hangar here. so the tensions that you might

see in a place like chicago i'm not sure will be reflected necessarily here but you do have a sense -- people have seen the footage from chicago. people have seen what has happened. you talk about the tone donald trump may take. remember, just a couple days ago the republican presidential debate he was talking about being a unifier. that has been his message recently as this race has whittled down and trump has tried to present a more general election argument that he's somebody that can bring the republican party together and potentially the country as well. so when you look at what happened in chicago and you see literally a division, tamron, one side of the street suppor r supporters, other side of the street, the protesters. you have to wonder how trump will respond. >> let me go in to shaquille brewster inside. i know you need to stand by. you've got moving parts. this rally is taking place inside. give me a picture of what you're hearing from fepeople who have shown up early this morning to hear donald trump after chicago.

>> it's very similar to what hallie was saying from the outside. i spoke to a couple of people in here and they are all familiar with what happened in chicago and the fact that the rally was canceled and they're all familiar with what happened yesterday earlier in the morning in st. louis with the 32 arrests. what they say the people that i've spoken with, they say they're not looking for violence. they want to hear donald trump's message. some are fully onboard, some are just here to kind of hear what he has to say. but they're saying if protester comes they're going to turn around. turn other way because they see what has happened and what has turned into the -- the spectacle it has turned into. many of them don't want to be a part of that. other interesting thing to watch is how donald trump reacts to any of these protesters. we saw yesterday he told one of them to go home to mommy, go home, get a job. so very fiery language from the top, on the stage. so it will be interesting to see if he continues that or if he tones that back a little bit.

talks a little bit more calmer and how he hinted yesterday, saying his supporters come here with love. if you expresses that a little bit more. we'll be watching. >> you know, it's also interesting, again, and we said at the top of the hour, what donald trump tells the people there. yesterday he claimed when he was talking with chris matthews, that police told him to shut down the rally. authorities in chicago have said they had plenty of security in place. they could handle the situation. they did not tell him to shut down that rally or the campaign, to shut down that rally. what is the security situation like, shaquille, what is the security situation inside that venue now today? >> well, it's standard secret service. it doesn't look like an overwhelming security force in terms of local police. but it's standard secret service protection. people who are coming in are getting swept. metal detectors here.

people are getting wanded. so it's standard event that you would see with any of the politicians who have the secret service protection. inside though people are allowed to have their signs. people are coming in with water and whatnot. so it's standard security. nothing heightened. noel investigation here. it doesn't seem tense from looking around. >> okay. thank you very much. let me go now to kerry sanders standing by. kerry is in chicago. we know that bernie sanders plans to hold -- i'm sorry, he's in cleveland. my apologies, kerry. you're in cleveland. this rally for donald trump is supposed to take place around 2:00 eastern time. what do we know again about the security regarding that event and, also, have we heard anything about people planning to protest as was the case in chicago and we'll talk about this. there were a number of calls on fis face book for peaceful protesters to show up even though many have reported it was a big sur price surprise by the

there were calls for peaceful protest to shut down the trump rally at the university. what are we hearing today? >> well, in cleveland here donald trump will be holding his rally at around 2:00 at what's known as the ix center. the local police, like most police departments, this city of about 400,000 people, has a designated pio, public information officer. that's somebody who usually gives out the information of what police are doing or what they're planning on doing. but at this particular case, the cleveland police department's public informations officer has decided that all comments will come from the mayor's office. and the mayor here in cleveland, his office said they will not be commenting at all about the security. clearly they are watching very closely what took place in chicago. in contact with law enforcement there to make sure that they would understand from what they saw there how they could apply the proper force here if it is needed. you know one of the challenges that you have in a gathering like this from a security

standpoint is people are invited to come to a rally. and the police, as you know across the country, have often been accused of profiling people. and the last thing a local police department wants to do is to profile folks who are showing up at a rally, like the one today, trying to say, you look like trouble, i'm going to pull you out. because that profiling itself could become an issue. so the authorities have really quite a little bit of a mess on their hands before even people begin to arrive. it's unclear how many people will show up. it's also unclear from law enforcement sources that i've spoken to outside of cleveland, but those who are familiar with scenes like this, they say it's very hard to know whether people will come just because they want to be troublemakers, because they want to get into it, because of what they saw in chicago. there is an element there that wants to come out sometimes and make problems. so the authorities here have a lot on their hands. and quite frankly, from those i've spoken to here, i'm at a

cafe a short distance from the ix center, they're not sure if they were going to go, that they are going to go. so it's unclear whether what has happened in chicago will scare people away or draw more people or draw a different mix of people. i think a lot of it is unknown. that's the real challenge for law enforcement in cleveland today about how they're going to handle that. >> absolutely. and, kerry, to again, for our audience who don't live in this area, you're in cleveland where i am. this dayton, ohio, event is about three hours away from where we are. the makeup or the demographics very different. you have a more diverse group of people who live in the cleveland area, the more metropolitan city, as opposed to where the rally is being held in dayton and also the location, near the airport hangar. those are all factors that would certainly impact who would show up and whether or not it would be anywhere similar to what we saw in chicago.

and we're certainly not saying that it is going to be. we're pointing out the accessibility and also the demographics here. >> yeah, tamron, i think one of the things to point out about cleveland, which is unrelated to donald trump but fits into the sort of the rhythm of the city, in 2015 the justice department put out a report about the cleveland police department. and they said it was initiated in 2013 but they said that there is a reasonable cause to believe that the cleveland police department enganls in a pattern or practice using unreasonable force in violation of the fourth amendment. and that's fourth amendment is search and seizure. there is a sense of tension in this community between the police department and the residents already. and so that is unrelated to what is going to happen today when people gather, but it's an undercurrent you should recognize as people gather to listen to donald trump. >> and that's an excellent point, kerry, because that is

very similar to chicago. we saw and i lived in chicago for ten years. you're familiar with chicago. if anyone believes for a chicago that chicago is not able to stand up and let its voices, especially young people, be heard, they need not look any further than the justice for laquan rallies that we saw in chicago following that. also the ongoing protests of mayor rahm emanuel and the police department which is under investigation for some of its practices. some of the similarities that you point out between the community in cleveland and questions about policing exists in chicago not just with the police department but also with the city leaders. so you have these same components of chicago and cleveland that could play a role in what we see today. kerry, thank you very much for your live reporting. we will continue to follow the latest developments and have marco rubio's latest comments, senator bernie sanders as well, and we'll have the latest on the protests out of chicago, the fallout this morning, and the latest series of confrontations

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let me get you caught up on what's going on on the ground as we follow this breaking news out of ohio and illinois. nbc's ali vitali was there and trymaine lee was in st. louis earlier in the day where protesters interrupted a trump rally. both of them join us live. ali, let's start with -- what we do know is that there had been a call for some days ahead of the

rally in chicago where people were calling for peaceful protests. i lived in chicago for ten years. the location alone should have told the trump campaign that this was not going to be your regular dog and pony show. this was not an airport hangar in an isolated area. this is in the heart of chicago where this was supposed to take place. >> and i think they had some inclination of that. in the days leading up to this rally i had heard from sources within the campaign they were planning on having to field many protesters. so i don't think that the location was lost on them. that being said, protesters are the bed rock of a trump rally and something that even some of his supporters say they look forward to seeing. trump himself has any range of reactions when he sees protesters. he goes from saying his signature get them out to sometimes saying aren't trump rallies the most fun and he loves that protesters force the media to show the crowd. he has this wide range of emotion. something else to show that they

expect the protest ersz at the rallies and think know there's volatility that is simmering there. before most of the rallies and this did play last night, there was an announcement that says this is a peaceful rally, if you see a protester, chant trump, hold your sign up, that person will be escorted out. it was ironic when that played last night. we were watching a trump supporter and i believe a black lives matter protester screaming at each other going at it before the rally started and the announcement was playing. a bunch of us looked at each other really feeling the irony of that situation that they were announcing for peaceful rally and you kind of saw things deteriorating around you. and of course then the rally was canceled and we saw those images we've been playing for the past few hours really begin to erupt both inside the arena and outside. this is something simmering around the edges for quite some time. we've seen it over the course of the past few weeks. it's been escalating in terms of the number and frequency of protesters at the rallies. as much as trump's rhetoric he says he does not condone the violence the condemnations are not strong. so when he comes out here and

says he doesn't want violence but also says things on the other end of it like that he himself would like to punch protesters in the face or he harkens back to the hold days talking about how people would have been rougher with protesters, it's a little bit hard to take those condemnations seriously when that's the flip side of what's being said on the stump. >> also, ali, this is also the campaign and the candidate who said he would pay the legal bills, the legal fees for anyone who would take action. that would appear to any reasonable person as a green light. that is saying, you do it and i have your back, i will pay your legal fees. now, trump has claimed with this interview with chris matthews and others that he has watched protesters come in and as he described them as strong, tough men who were attacking his supporters, i know katy tur has reported she's never seen anything like that.

had you seen protesters violently attack trump supporters at any of the rallies you've covered? >> i haven't seen that. the only time that i saw anything that might match that kind of claim was in new orleans as a man was being escorted out. he got a little bit physical with the people that were around him. but that being said, they were being physical with him. i think what you're seeing is when trump says, and i have this image in my mind of the night many las vegas when he said he wanted to punch a protester in the face, he said that protester was punching law enforcement as he was being escorted out. none of us saw that. i think there's this idea of what he is sayingnd what's actually happen and there is some disparity there in terms of what's happening on the ground. to be clear it's not just men protesting. we've seen any range of people protesting, a variety of different reasons. you have immigration protesters here, you have muslims here who are saying that they are against his muslim -- temporary muslim band, black live matters here seek for racial equality in this

entire movement. you have a variety of people on the ground here. it's very different motivation. all of them getting the same kind of treatment. >> trymaine, let me bring you in because you were in st. louis where we saw protests of a lesser kind but still very significant to those who want to shut down these trump rallies. what i am curious about, to a person you see video, cameras, you see people holding up their cellphone cameras. we've seen the video of the trump supporter sucker punch one of the protesters in north carolina. we've seen this video. cure usely donald trump claims his supporters have been attacked but so far -- i'm not saying it doesn't exist, so far his campaign has not produced any evidence of his claims. and to a person, whether you are there to protest donald trump or to support him, just about everyone has a camera in their hands at these rallies. >> i'll tell you what, tamron, if the optics are terrifying on

television, when you're actually on the ground, it's even more so. when you talk to people who have been dragged out of the protest rallies and they're greeted by the jeers and cheers of kind of a phonetic audience, there's applauding and responding to his rhetoric. when they hear donald trump say there used to be a time when there were consequences for protests, consequences like billy clubs, water hose, that's the feeling that's evoked in so many people. the fact that not only is the rhetoric fiery, but people are often bloody. i was in the middle of interviewing someone yesterday and i looked behind me and you see this man with blood pouring out of his lips and his foes. piece shirt bloody. his officer saying don't get that blood on me. and the idea that it's going not just from the rhetoric but it's getting physical. literally lines being drawn between protesters and supporters. literally protesters and supporters of donald trump squaring up to fight. one man yesterday was arrested trying to breakthrough the

barricade after a match with one of the supporters. the idea that it's just limited to talk, that there's not real consequences and real action happening on the ground, and as you mentioned, everyone has a cellphone camera. there was a moment yesterday when donald trump talked about how entertaining these events were. for those people that i talked to who were dragged out, who they say had racial slurs hurled at them, the idea that they were just some lazy good for nothing go get a job kind of americans, that's vor dery disturbing. you didn't see people standing up for each other. they were cheering that on. >> and that is a part of what played out in st. louis. and again, when you think about the events in st. louis, the comments, you know, go home to mom mommy, the things that trump said there, the continuous loop and we can't forget the continuous loop of that video of the protester being sucker punched, that was in the ethos, that was in the dialogue 24

hours before chicago, which plays a part in how people perceive trump supporters and how trump is perceived when he was specifically asked about that gentleman who said the next time we may have to kill him. those were the words of the man who admitted to sucker punching, ali, that protester. >> that's definitely true. at the north carolina rally, there was that same kind of tension. i say it's been increasing over the past two weeks because that's really when i've seen it. according to what i hear on the ground from the supporters when ask them, what's your reaction? last night i was asking what's your reaction when you see protesters here, increasing on the trail, see it on television, what do you think? most of missupporters seem to say it's not his fault they show up here. it's not his fault they act the way they do. they put the onus on the protesters as opposed to trump's rhetoric. when i said well, he said things like he himself would like to punch a protester in the face or

he's thought about the old days, rougher with protesters. some nod their head in agreement they don't say, yeah, i feel that way but they don't say i don't. that's what you see, even if his people don't necessarily agree with him, they're not going to speak against him. those that do agree with him are going to act in a way they believe is in accord dance with what he's been saying all along. >> because you were there in chicago, ali, the backgrounds of some of the young people who were there to protest the rally, it seemed to be a great mix. obviously we see a number of african-americans, a number of latinos based on their sign, there were people calling out his comments on muslim and there were also what at least visibly appeared to be young white potentially college students as well, who were trying to shut down that protest. so for people trying to divide this along racial lines as well, the people, the protesters seem to be a mix of identities there. >> absolutely. you definitely saw a diverse mix

here on the ground. it was a contrast, stark contrast really to what we see at the trump events which are predominantly white attendees. they usually skew a little bit older. rachel maddow when we were talking about this in the heat of the moment last night pointed out this is a much younger audience than we're used to seeing. that's true. most of the young people in this audience were there to protest. but that's definitely something that was a tell tale sign when we got on the ground that it was a different makeup of people that we normally see at these rallies and obviously a much different out come than we're used to. >> excellent reporting from both of you. trymaine, thank you as well. ali, thank you. we'll continue to talk with both of you throughout the day. we're expecting to hear from marco rubio in just a few minutes. we've had a number of presidential candidates comment on donald trump's rhetoric and what they believe was his contribution to what we saw play out. carly fiorina, we'll play what she had to say as well. and a reminder senator bernie sanders will have a rally in chicago as well today. a lot of moving parts to keep you caught up on.

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hi, everyone. i want to show you a life picture, senator marco rubio will hold a press conference in a few minutes. he's in largo, florida, ahead of a planned campaign rally. rubio strongly condemned last night's violence in chicago. we will bring his remarks to you live as soon as he makes his way to the podium. now, the angry clashes we saw in chicago last night were the culmination of a week's worth of violent incidents at donald trump rallies across the nation. many aare blaming trump this morning. joining us now leanne caldwell and franklin county, ohio, republican and senior editor. clarence, i'll start with you. obviously because of your position in this state and that you're the ohio republican auditor here. donald trump has the dayton, ohio, event coming up,

cleveland. how do you feel his rhetoric or do you feel his rhetoric played a role in what we saw yesterday in chicago? >> yes, two-part answer to that, tamron. i believe that the protesters certainly have some responsibility in this to the extent they acted inappropriately. but the seeds for this event were planted by donald trump. his rhetoric over the last eight months undoubtedly have inspired this type of chaos. and it's an absolutely terrible reflection of the republican party. what we saw in chicago last night is going to play out again and again over the next few months as we written up to the convention. that will not serve the republican party well. doesn't serve the nation well. and this is not what we want to see in american politics. >> when people in your party, republicans, have come out against donald trump, they are called the establishment. they are labeled as people who are not listening to what he calls the movement, the voices of the angry. what is your response to that? >> well, i think this whole

issue about donald trump, particularly what we saw last night, is bigger than politics. it excels the concept of politics. this is about national unity and what donald trump has successfully done is divided america along every single fabric. if you look at the footage from last night you have african-americans, you have latinos, muslims. all of them rallying against one single cause, and that cause is inspired violence. when you look at the establishment that represents at this hour the best of the republican party. we're seeing the worst of the republican party and not the best representative of who we are in donald j. trump. >> leanne, traditionally around this time you start looking at the general election and you start to look at the differences between, you know, liberals, progressives, and conservatives. but the conversation, the dialogue is whether or not donald trump is destroying the republican party. there were a number of conservatives yesterday saying he is imploding the party. forget the battle ahead against hillary clinton or bernie sanders. he's destroying the republican

party, thus opening a chance here in ohio for john kasich and maybe even cruz or rubio in florida. >> that's absolutely true. and that is the question that the republicans are facing right now. it is if they are able to come out of this primary election as one whole party or is it going to break apart. trump does not. even policiwise, believe many of the same -- the beliefs that republicans do believe. and so as far as here in ohio i spent much of this week here in ohio and people were talking about that. kasich supporters do really like kasich. they're his governor. very popular governor here. and they do want him to win, especially kasich is considered a more moderate governor against someone like trump but also a dynamic, we also don't want to lose kasich here in ohio they like him as governor so much. >> it is interesting that john

kasich's wording yesterday, he directly took on the rhetoric. in ted cruz's comments he did the same but weaved the obama administration and clouded it. it seems among the responses from the candidates, john kasich was the most clear. does he see this as an opening for him? >> we'll have to see how enthusiastic the trump supporters are. they have come to the polls and they have given him many wins. as far as kasich finding an opening this plays into his narrative that he's run this entire campaign, which is that he's going to be above the fray, let's not get too dirty in politics in here, and if people see these images on television and see these rallies, are they going to be more prone to support donald trump because he believes what they believe or is there going to be a backlash?

>> beth, let me bring you in because by the delegate math, the battle for governor kasich is tremendous. i mean, just by the math. yes, he can win ohio and then he would be looking ahead to a contested convention situation. i know he was asked yesterday about whether or not he would be interested in being the vice president to a donald trump or someone. but the delegate math is not as favorable to him as it perhaps would be to ted cruz right now. but stuart stevens who worked on the romney campaign said yesterday regarding chicago and donald trump, quote, this is a suicide vest the republican party is putting on and donald trump is pulling the cord. there is no question. that is not a liberal, that is not a progressive. that is a republican who said those comments about his party. >> yeah, there are a number of republicans who have come out and started to make that very same case. i think there's a real crisis that we're seeing right now, tamron.

the republican party absolutely is on the verge of a crisis. it's very likely that donald trump is going to be the nominee of this party. he's going in very strongly in florida and ohio right now in the polling. i think governor kasich is still pretty much behind in ohio. senator marco rubio very far behind in florida. his home state. so we are likely seeing a situation coming up on tuesday where trump wins both of those big states and is on a march to the nomination. he's not going to walk away with it. these other candidates are getting -- peeling off delegates elsewhere. the chances are that donald trump is going to be the nominee of his party and the republican party is -- has to face that fact. and see that this man who is stoking the kind of racial grievances that he is, the economic grievances, encourages violence at his rallies stands ready to carry that banner of the gop, the grand old party, the party of lincoln which is what republicans always want to remind you of. the man who freed the slaves is now anointing a man who has really done more to harm the party's relationship with people

of color than we've ever seen. so it's undoubtedly a crisis and stuart steve vens and other republicans are saying that quite forcefully. >> you bring up people of color but when you think about senator barbara boxer was on with us. obviously hillary clinton supporter. and she made the point, if every group donald trump offended voted against him it would be one of the most lopsided elections we've ever seen. in a head to head match-up bernie sanders beats donald trump. hillary clinton beats donald trump. he brought up the fact that in a couple of polls he leads hillary clinton. i believe it was two or three out of a laundry list of polls that he was pointing at. a man who obsesses over numbers and polling, ignored the fact that bernie sanders in a head to head match-up wins in an average of national polls as does hillary clinton. and if the theory is the republican party is looking for a winner, that evangelicals put aside some of their more core

values to get behind donald trump because he's a winner, when you look at general match-up right now, he's not a winner for them. >> yeah, but the big question mark, tamron, is the issue of turnout. as we've seen, donald trump has poured out voters at all of these primaries. we've seen record-breaking turnout in republican primaries and caucuses because -- primarily because of trump. we are not seeing that on the democratic side. turnout is down from the last contested election in 2008. so it's a matter of who is going to come out and vote in fall. if trump's the nominee and his supporters are super fired up and they're getting out to vote, and democrats less excited about the election, that's where the problem is going to be for democrats and where trump really has a chance. >> i will point though to chicago last night. there were more protesters, according to some of the numbers, than trump supporters. and there was someone voted yesterday saying that donald trump may very well inspire the

youth vote and the vote of people of color more than barack obama did in the sense of a vote against him, a vote against what is seen as the hateful rhetoric, the man who called for a ban or a temporary ban on muslims, and the laundry list of other comments. that, yes, right now the turnout and the enthusiasm may not equal and it does not equal what we're seeing in the republican primaries, but is that a fair comparison to what we would see in a general election? >> that's the other side of this of course. very much so the democrats could be super energized to come out in a protest vote against donald trump. that's what stuart stevens and other republicans who have run republican races in the past, that's what they're seeing. they're seeing a wave of voters who might have been less interested in this election coming out specifically to make sure donald trump is not the nominee and that is the republican party nightmare, too. >> clarence, let me get your thoughts offen that. at the debate recently, all of

the candidates were asked, after all of this laundry list of things they named about donald trump, whether they would support the nominee. they all said yes, including governor kasich. if donald trump is the nominee for your party, will you support him? >> i absolutely will abstain from supporting donald trump as the nominee of our party. he cannot be the standard bearer of the gop. he is not suited to lead the free world. what we saw last night in chicago is just. indicative of what a trump presidency would look like. it's an absolute embarrassment at this hour as an african-american republican to have this gentleman being our front-runner and standard bearer. i will be lending no support to donald j. trump. >> we said ohio's winner take all. one point take all of these fell gates. strategiwise, what are you hearing from the kasich campaign as it relates to what it would take for some of the very people who are in this coffee shop with us, to support him and bring a victory for kasich in ohio?

>> ohio is critical for any candidate. kasich and trump have the best choice, best chance. but kasich is going all in. i mean, his path to the nation has basically been two states, new hampshire and ohio. that is a huge risk that he's taking but he resonates in ohio. people here love him. republicans do anyway. and some polls show that he is within shot of perhaps winning. but i spent a lot of time in a county just west of here, lorraine county, a steel town, big uniontown, and a lot of these people who are traditionally democrat voters are thinking about voting for trump. they feel his anger. their livelihood is jeopardized. they think he speaks to them. so ohio is going to be huge, whoever wins ohio is going to be on their path to the nomination. >> thank you foul fall for join. as i mentioned, with we are wait for senator marco rubio.

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doesn't like. i think the media has to bear some responsibility. for too long those comments were ignored. some people thought they were cute. he's gotten extraordinary amount of coverage for all the stuff he says out roinlg jous. every time donald trump says something offensive it's wall to wall coverage and it's only elevated him even more. i think we all look at this and say everyone bears responsibility for what's happening but this is what a culture and society looks like when everybody says whatever the heck they want. one everybody says i'm going to speak my mind, if i'm angry it gives me the right to say or do anything that i want. there are other people who are angry, too. if they speak out, the result is it all breaks down. it's called chaos. it's called anarchy. that's what we're going towards in our political process. the great thing about our rupp blek is we settle our differences in this country at the ballot box. not with guns or bayonets or violen violence. you wonder whether they're headed in a different direction today where we're no longer able or capable of having a difference of opinion but in

fact now protests are a license to take violence, to take on your opponents physically. i think -- forget about the election for a moment. there's a broader issue in our country and this is what happens when a leading presidential candidate goes around feeding into a narrative of anger and bitterness and frustration. and i think we all need to take a step back and ask ourselves are we contributing to this. because if this continues, i don't think this country will continue to be ripped apart at the seams and we will be incapable of solving any of the major issues that we have. >> senator, what do you think this means for the future of the republican party? >> i think the question is what it means for the future of america. not just the republican party. look, barack obama has used divisive language as well. i will admit he hasn't called on people in the crowd to beat people up but he has divided americans up among class warfare and things of this nature. he won't say he bears any responsibility for last night. there's real frustration in

america. there are people in this country angry because they are working really hard and their jobs are gone. people in this country are angry because they feel disenfranchised from the american dream. the job of a leader is to address the causes of that anger and try to solve it, not try to stoke the anger so they vote for you. this in many ways not just chicago, put that aside for a moment, the broader anger that now exists in the american political discourse is a direct result of the fact that words have consequences, that when you run for president of the united states or if you are president of the united states you can't just take on the attitude that i'm going to say whatever i want. you can't say whatever you want. it has real life consequences for people in this country, and all over the world. and we're starting to see or bear out. you saw those images last night of peopling getting in their face, often divided up among racial lines in many cases. the police officers bleeding from the headed, we're going backwards here. this is a frightening,

grotesque, and disturbing development in american politics. >> what should donald trump's message be to his supporters, especially more violent ones? should he tell them to stoch? >> a donald trump supporter sucker punched a man the other day at an event. donald trump has yet to condemn him. after the man was released from jail, he said next time i'll kill him. he still has not condemned it. and so it tells you that in many ways he doesn't want to say anything to his supporters because he doesn't want to turn them off, because he understands that the reason why they are voting for him is because he has tapped into this anger. the problem is leadership has never been ability taking people's anger and using it to get them to vote for you. if it is, it's a dangerous style of leadership. leadership is about acknowledging people's anger but as a leader trying to address why it is they're angry instead of manipulating their anger to b become your donor and supporter. instead all he's saying is these are really bad dudes at my events. almost as of justifying that since he, from 400 yards away or

400 feet away, concludes that these people look dangerous to him. he understands that the crowd likes to rough them up. you know, i'm just -- you know, that sort of things bleeds out into the broader political debate. i want to be clear, okay, the protesters in chicago were not blameless. these people, many of them were clearly just there to be agitators, to create a ruckus. i know the type. people just went there, hey, we can form a scene. others were there part of interest groups. chicago is a city teaming with paid protesters. you don't have a right to say i don't like what someone is doing so i'm going to blow up their event. you see this on college campuses. the left bears responsibility as well. but i am telling you that this boiling point that we have now reached has been fed largely by the fact that we have a front-runner in my party who has fed into language that basically justifies physically assaulting people who disagree with him. >> senator, are you more upset or disappointed the way this is unfolding? >> both. i'm upset because of what it's

doing to our country. we are being ripped apart at the seams. divisions along class and in some instances it appears race and other elementing and it's disturbing i disturbing i disturbing. i'm sad. i'm sad for this country. this is supposed to be the example to a world how a republic functions and instead people are watching, third world images last night coming out of chicago. >> all of the protesters thugs? that's what donald trump called them this morning. >> some of them probably are, sure. but it wasn't just one incident. if this was just one time it happened you would say, this is about chicago and about a bunch of thugs that showed up and disrupted an event. it's not about chicago. it happened in st. louis. it happened earlier this week. allegedly his campaign manager roughed up a reporter at an event. this is repeatedly. this is not new. this a pattern of an idea that we are angry and since we a angry we can say and do whatever we want. we are tired of being con trained busivillity, tired of being constrained by rules of

cultural engagement, tired of being told -- i get it, people are frustrated by the direction of our country. but leaders cannot say what we've they want because words have consequences. they lead to actions that others take. when the person you're supporting for president is saying things like go ahead and slap them around, i'll pay your legal fees. what do you think is going to happen next? one someone is going to believe it and take it upon themselves. when you have someone sucker punch a guy at afternoon event and the day after he's released from jail talking about the next time we may have to kill him, this is a -- that's just one person. i guarantee you there are others that felt the same way. >> senator, you point to some of the racial divisions that we're seeing at these protests and certainly donald trump, you've criticized many times, comments for example that he's made refusing to condemn the kkk or on immigrants. what do you think are the implications of a trump presidency for race relations in america? >> i don't know other than to tell you that beyond that is i think -- i've already told you what i think his candidacy is going to mean. and that is it will swred -- i believe donald trump as our

nominee is going to shatter and fracture the republican party and the conservative movement. i think it's already having that function. i think a donald trump presidency, you know, would be more along those lines apparently. but right now i'm focussed on what does this mean to the political discourse and more importantly the rope of the republican party and the conservative movement discourse. >> senator, two quick things. will you still support him if he's the nominee and a lot of what you just described happened before thursday night. you were asked thursday night essentially about tone, about how he's been comporting himself on the trail. why not confront him face to face or have you behind backstage perhaps, talked to him about that? >> behind stage we basically are interacting for 15 seconds before we walk on the stage. so that's that. as far as -- i did. i was asked a question about his comments on islam and i said exactly what i said to you right now and that is that presidents can't just say whatever they

want. i described the conversations squepszs that it has. how are you going to be the commander in chief of the united states armed forces when you have men and women of the muslim faith who serve us in uniform who could be killed in action? how are you going to be commander in chief when you sew that our men and women in uniform have people there working with all over the world who are muslim, who have taken great sacrifices at our behalf? there is a doctor in pakistan, a muslim, who was involved in aiding the united states or according to open press reports, and in our efforts to capture osama bin laden who is a muslim. what do you say to him? he hated america. he's in jail today in pakistan. there are people who died who are are muslims who have helped the united states as interpreter, servicemen and women in united states who will tell you they were injured in combat and muslim families took them home and sheltered them until help could arrive. what do you say to missionaries all over the world operating in muslim countries they were muslim families protecting them or helping them even though they're not converting, helping

them because they like them as persons and individuals and now the message coming out of america as a leading presidential candidate is i know you hate us and implying maybe we hate you. there are consequences to these words. there really are presidential candidates are not say anything they want. and i did say that at the debate. >> as the nominee if he's the nominee? >> i don't know. i mean, i already talked about the fact that i think hillary clinton would be terrible for this country, but the fact that you're even asking me that question, i still at this moment continue and tend to support the republican nominee, but getting harder every day. >> senator, do you think you will win in florida on tuesday and if not will your campaign continue? >> i'm focused on winning florida. i haven't thought about wednesday. i said i'd yesterday. i literally don't even know what i'm having for lunch or dinner today. i don't know my schedule today. i just go where they take me today, the rest of the day. i intend to win florida. we haven't made any decisions about after florida. >> senator, you repeatedly say

that anger is not a plan. you say that a lot in your stump speeches. last night you did say that there's a lot of blame to go around. you just said this right now. how much of the blame rests with president obama, as you said, and his divisive policies as you called them? how much do you blame president obama for what's going on right now? >> well, i think president obama has been politically divisive. there's no doubt. he has taken an attitude that if you don't agree with him on public policy you're bad. i've seen him do that. i think that politically divisive. and perhaps a contributor to all of this. this is different. this is a different level that we're discussing now. this is the intentional injection of the use of people's anger. basically, this is a political candidate in donald trump who has identified there's some really angry people in america, they feel as though they've been mistreated by the culture, by society, by our politics, by our economy, and he knows this. and they have in many instances,

they really have. every major institution in our society has failed us. higher ed education, organized religi religion, media is failing us, politicians, government is failing us. every major institution we once relied on are failing us over the last 20 years and people are frustrated. you are working as hard as you ever have and you can't make ends meet and along comes a presidential candidate and says to you you know why your life is hard? because fill in the blank, somebody, someone, some country, they're the reasons for it. give me power so i can go after them. that's what he's feeding in to. that is not leadership. that is not productive leadership and is not keeping with our american tradition. that is a style of leadership that says i know you're angry and i'm going to take advantage of it so you votes for me. what it over looks are the quons quenss of it. his style of doing it is basically along the lines of i'm going to say whatever i want, even if it's not quote, unquote, politically correct. politically correct is one thing.

shouldn't keep you from saying truth. another thing is to be rude and obnoxious and offensive, deliberately offensive for purposes of driving media narrative. and i want to be frank and i'm not talking about any of you in particular because i know you don't make these decisions but i hope the u.s. media begins to examine the role they've played in all this because i can tell you fra for months i've been giving speeches on public policy and nobody paid a lot of attention. the minute i mentioned anything personal about donald trump every network cut in live to my speeches to hope i can say more of it so they can say on the air, that's so sad, subtitle, we're going to keep giving it coverage to help our ratings. the media needs of look what role they play. it's detrimental to our political culture and to your country at large. thanks, guys. >> thanks. all right. you've been listening to marco rubio there giving a press conference on a saturday morning. you just saw gabe gutierrez listening along with us. gabe, if i could just summarize

for people who are just joining us. i'm kate snow, by the way, live in miami. you just heard marco rubio frustrating with donald trump. saying words have consequences. you can't say whatever you want. he talked about divisions in the country. he talked about racial divisions and class divisions and he said if trump is the nominee, it's going to shatter and fracture the republican party and the conservative movement. another telling thing, gabe, i would point to is he was asked can he support donald trump if trump is the nominee? and marco rubio saying for the first time, i don't know. and then saying, it's getting harder every day to think about supporting trump. let's go to gabe who has been listening in on all of this. gabe, that was a striking news conference. >> yeah. it was a very striking news conference. physically frustrated marco rubio really lamenting the state of american political discourse right now. you mentioned, that he now says he doesn't know if he can support the republican nominee if it is donald trump. and also he called this a

grotesque development in the american political discourse. he called on donald trump to condemn the actions of some of his supporters at his rallies and the allegations against his campaign manager. he says that donald trump is not condemned any of it. and he really, you know, had harsh words for not just donald trump and his supporters but also the media. it says that the media has focused on this -- on the negative. and marco rubio more frustrated than i've seen him in a very long time. you know, this was a -- he lamented and insulted donald trump and then everybody comments on how sad this is. but what he has been trying to do is kind of raise the political -- the level of the political discourse at this point and he is calling on donald trump. should mention, kate, he also said it wasn't just the fault of the trump supporters. he did mention in the event last night what he called a paid protesters, that there were a

lot of people in that event that went there to cause a scene. but he did say that this is not something that just happened last night. this is something that's he's been saying about donald trump for a while. you saw it at the last debate. you see it in his stump speeches where he repeatedly says that anger is not a plan. and he really took on donald trump during last debate saying that he can't say just whatever he wants. that the president -- that the president's words have consequences. question, kate, this was very striking news conference for marco rubio. more upset and disappointed and shaken than i've seen him in a very long time. >> i also thought, gabe, you know better than i because you cover him every single day, he sounded a bit fatigued. he said at one point i don't know where i'm going, even today i'm not sure what my schedule is. this is a man struggling for his political future right now on a saturday morning. if he does not win on tuesday here in florida, that could potential -- could be the end of his campaign but also could have devastating impact on his political future.

>> yes, certainly. this is a candidate who is, you know, facing an uphill battle here in florida. depending on which poll you listen to he's down anywhere from 6 points to 23 points. his campaign, again, they say they are focused on florida. they think they can pull out a victory here. you're right, this is a crucial, crucial primary on tuesday for marco rubio. and, you know, he's been saying that he wants to talk about this positive message but nobody is focused on it because everyone has been so focused on donald trump. and again, now it remains to be seen where he can gain enough traction here in his home state talking about policy that he has wanted to for so long, now when we see these images coming out of chicago. >> yeah. all right, gabe gutierrez who follows the rubio campaign. gabe, thanks so much. and we are going to turn back to donald trump because at this hour there is a large crowd waiting at trump's first stop of the day on this saturday. set to start just an hour from now. dayton, ohio, is the location.

trump also has a 2:00 p.m. rally in cleveland and 7:00 p.m. rally in kansas city. ted cruz last night called it a sad day, blaming protesters for the events in chicago but also calling out donald trump's campaign rhetoric. >> and when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nastiness. >> john kasich also released a statement last night. kasich's statement reads in part, quote, the seeds of division that donald trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit. and it was ugly. some let their opposition to his

views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. i urge people to resist that temptation, and rise to a higher level. both of them, of course, speaking about the rally last night in chicago where there was violence. particularly after the rally was canceled by druonald trump. i'm joined my nbc's hallie jackson in dayton, ohio. the next rally is set to begin next hour. nbc's kerry sanders is live in cleveland where trump will hold a rally there this afternoon. let's begin with you, hallie. tell me what you're seeing, describe the crowd there, and so many people wondering this morning if it will be a scene repetitive of what we saw last night or whether it's a calmer crowd. >> so far things much more low key, kate. that may be because of the time, it's saturday morning. may be because of the location. we're not in a city. we're a little bit outside dayton, by the airport. as you can see in a big hangar. people began lining up here

around 1:00 a.m., the first folks in line had driven in from kentucky to be here today. first event since trump canceled that rally in chicago last night. i'm looking around and see if question with pan off here. it's a little bit of a tight squeeze so i putting my cameraman in a tough position. people are coming in through the metal detectors, tefilling up t hangar. we've talked to people who have come in here and have have been waiting. there's a little bit of a mixed reaction as far as whether they were concerned about issues here. one woman told me that she was a little bit nervous about coming b but, as she said, if he kept her mouth shut, in her words, she thought she would be okay. others had no qualms about showing up here. one gentleman, a hard core trump supporter, thought the trump canceling his rally was a sign of strength, made him look presidential, he said because it showed he was looking concerned for the safety of both the protesters and trump supporters as well. this is fairly typical of what you would see at a trump rally, kate. the podium, you've got -- we've seen trump in the past doing a

fly-by, landing at one of these airports and coming in. we don't know if he will do that today. people milling about. the sound track going. it fools like other trump rallies so far, unlike last night's where you've heard folks who were there. like our colleague ali vitali talk about the tension and you could feel the tension from a reporter's perspective. i don't know that that's necessarily the case here. again, probably because it's saturday morning and probably because of the location. it does feel more low key. >> ali, have you observed anybody with signs that are against trump's message? could you tell if there were any protesters? >> not yet. not yet. we've kept on a eye out. the way that you saw last night or for example yesterday in st. louis, visible protesters. that is not something we've necessarily seen yet. but then again, it's still a little bit early. the rally is not set to begin for another hour or so. >> all right, hallie jackson in dayton, ohio, at an airplane hangar where we expect donald trump in an hour. let's turn to kerry sanders now.

he's at the next stop for donald trump. kerry, what do you sigh where you are and what are you hearing? i know you cover the trump campaign. so tell me what you're hearing from the world of trump about whether he'll address what happened last night? >> yes, i suspect he will absolute address it. he of course has done lots of interviews on television about what happened. and i think his base, those who come out to support him will indeed want to hear what he has to say. i'm a short distance from the ix center which is where donald trump will be meeting here in cleveland today at a rally at around 2:00. right now we're nearby in grumpy's cafe. to get a tenor, this is not a political interview but more rather an interview with people about how they feel about what they're seeing happen in the country. danny dorn is here. lifelong resident of cleveland. donald trump is coming here. you saw what happened in chicago. what is your concern and what are your thoughts? >> my concern is mainly for the

law enforcement that's involved. my husband's police officer. my father, my grandfather. we have strong ties in the law enforcement. and it just makes me scared for the people out there having to deal with those types of crowds. >> we should make a point here that we reached out to the cleveland police department. they decided that they were not going to talk and defer everything to the mayor's office. the mayor's office issued a statement they're not going to talk about anything they're going to do with security, kate. when you see what's happening in this discourse, and this is not really about whether you support donald trump or not, my question to you more is what you think about the discourse in our country that needs to what we saw last night? >> i think it's unfortunate. it makes me not want to watch tv. it makes me want to steer away from any sort of politics because it's so -- such a touchy subject. if people are resorting to violence. >> you get a chance to overhear people in the community. are people talking politics

or -- i mean, this is the number one topic in our country. >> they are. and i think the main thing, i would love to hear about the issues and about what -- about them gaining my confidence and gaining my vote and all i'm hearing is putting another person down or picking on somebody else and i think it's really steering a lot of people away. >> okay. thank you very much. >> sure. >> there we hear from one person who shares the -- perhaps the thoughts of many but really the big sur price of what developed last night and of course it may be, kate, that the green light for what happened last night was a result of what happened in fayetteville when 78-year-old man hit the 26-year-old young man who had been protesting. they were bringing him up the stairs. he got sucker punched, went down. that video with four or five different angles, really was not only played on television but played repeatedly on social media. and really suggested to many that there may have been some sort of impunity to those who punch because it wasn't until the following day that the

fayetteville or the cumberland county sheriff's office launched an investigation and arrested that 78-year-old man who actually hit. and a lot of people saw the video and saw officers standing around doing nothing as the 26-year-old was punched. and then placed on the ground, put in handcuffs and taken away. kate? >> kerry, just one follow-up because i don't know the venue in cleveland where this is all taking place later. i know in chicago there were protests sfarsz back as monday of this week. they were asking for the rally to be canceled. so there was some indication that people were upset with trump coming to town. is that the case in cleveland or not? >> first of all, this specific facility is pretty far removed from homes. it's not around like a large urban center. so people will all have to drive there. the police are already setting up perimeters in the area. but they do that always at these gatherings. you know one of the challenges is on social media people send messages. some you can see because they're

open on social media. some are direct to little groups. we don't know actually how many people have been encouraged to show up. the problem is here, and this is really the challenge for law enforcement, is they cannot profile people coming to a trump event. they can't look at somebody and say, you know what, that looks like a troublemaker, we can't let him in because that creates a problem for the police department. and so the real challenge attempt in dayton and the one here today is determining when people arrive if they're supporter or just there to listen or are they there to create problems. >> all right. kerry sanders in cleveland, ohio. kerry, thanks so much. still ahead, marco rubio's last stand. what will it take for him to win here in his home state of florida and will that be enough to keep his campaign going? we'll be joined by a spokesman of the rubio campaign after this break. , "day to feel alive"♪

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we just heard from a frustrated marco rubio at the top of this hour reacting to the violence in chicago last night saying he doesn't know if he can support donald trump should he be the republican nominee. nbc's ali vitali was in chicago during last night ears protest during the rally. msnbc's trymaine lee was in zrt lewis earlier in the day where protesters interrupted a trump rally there. one person was bloodied after that one. both of them join us live from chicago. now, ali, let me start with you. because there's been some confusion about sort of the course of events last night and when violent interactions actually started. can you walk us through what you saw prior to the event and then when the announcement was made that it would be canceled? >> sure. so when the rally started we looked around and you can survey the arena and kind of see where

the factions were lying. if you think about how a stadium set-up would be, there were sections literally all protesters. all groups of people who were planning on disrupting throughout the course of the rally. we saw throughout the course of events as the start time was originally start set to start at 6:00 p.m., we did see protesters and supporters begin to start clashing. whether they were screaming at each other, a few were escorted out. i remember taking this photo and tweeting a picture of a man who took a trump sign and ripped it and supporters were yelling at him and protesters were yelling back. tensions were stirring even before the rally began. obviously escalating once the rally was canceled. >> i want to note that what people were looking at was fayetteville, north carolina. not chicago. now i think we're showing chicago. i just wants to make sure people understood what you were describing was not what we were looking at. sorry. >> no, that's totally okay.

fayette vim is another example of a time we had a lot of protesters disrupting the rally. the violence that we saw there was one incident as opposed to an entire rally that kind of decimated into pandemonium. fayetteville was not example. it hakkck har kens back to what marco rubio said, it's not just chicago. there is a pattern here we've been seeing over the course of the past few months r weeks and months with the number of protests we've seen at donald trump rallies. >> ali -- >> this isn't something to be taken as an isolated incident. >> understood. what we are looking at now is from last night. it's down on the floor of the stadium. did that all happen after the announcement was made then that the rally would not happen? >> well, if i'm assuming the pictures you're showing are what i think they are i think i was the one who took those photos and they were happening right after the rally was canceled. announcement came up spontaneously saying that trump decided to cancel the rally due

to safety concerns and the entire stadium was disrupted. some were we did it, to pro-bernie chants. trump supporters had their own reaction which was quite different from the protesters reactions. you saw immediately very visceral reactions from people in that arena. >> trymaine, let me ask you about st. louis yesterday because that, too, it didn't bubble over in the same way and get canceled but there were a lot of protests there. >> i'll tell you what, from hours before the event was scheduled to kick off, you already saw the literal line in the sand between protesters and supporters. police pulled out metal barricades because a couple of folks were squaring up to fight. i think marco rubio kind of touched on something that folks on the ground had been concerned about for a very long time. donald trump is tapping into this pool of anger and frustration. the scary part is we don't know how deep or how wide that pool is. at yesterday's events people brought their children out. a lot of teenager, college age

students, grown adult, men and women alike. to see the response in the crowd as protesters were being dragged out of the arena, the anger, the exuberance, the chants of build that wall, build that wall. it was quite frightening actually. when you talk to folks who have been arrested and again pulled out of that opera house yesterday, they talked about r5e8ly fe ly really fear for their safety because the response from the crowd as donald trump was on stage saying get a job, get him out of here. time and again he's referencing coded language that these are very bad guys. that it's okay for them to swing on us but when we stand up and fight back it's a problem. yesterday there was another point when he said don't worry, the police are being very gent. . that's not lost on the people responding in these rallies. >> donald trump tweeting and calling them thugs which is code of language as well. >> that's right. the idea of thugs.

and he plays into the bigger narrative that those who are protesting rallies are concerned about, not only a deeper division between people but the us and the them. who is the us? who is the them? are the them the brown people on the other side of the mexican border? are they the brown people who practice islam as their religion in is it the so-called thugs that describe people in baltimore and ferguson and people uprising across this country for the last year and a half? that is again not only concerning folks but emboldening the response to the supporters whipped into this frenzy at the hands of donald trump. >> trymaine lee and ali vitali who covers donald trump for us, thank you both so much for joining us this morning from chicago. thanks, guys. here to discuss the impact that this might all have on the all important primary where i'm sitting in florida just three days from now, the miami herald's patricia mazai is with us and communications director for the florida republican party wadi is with us as well. you've been listening to all of

this, wadi. you heard marco rubio, very frustrated marco rubio talking just a few moments ago. if this happened at an event here in florida, what would the republican party be saying and doing here? >> you know, ted cruz and marco rubio both interestingly had the same theme to their response. consequences. what we say, what we do, the atmosphere that we create at the rallies, at events, the atmosphere matters. here in florida something very interesting. thursday the day before we saw these rallies canceled, voters here in florida said that what they like from the debate is that it was a healthy debate. that there wasn't this come pat battive back and forth. >> it was civil. >> it was civil. they want to see that from the presidential candidates. here at the party what we say is that tone matters. that each candidate has a responsibility to set the tone in their campaign and in their events. that's very important. >> marco rubio just said if trump is the nominee, it's going to shatter and fracture the republican party and the

conservative movement. do you agree? >> i think we have strong principles we stand on. and if one of the candidates or if some of the voters find that this candidate does not have our principle, then they need to vote that way. if donald trump doesn't represent some of the things they belief they should vote that way. yes, it will have consequences but the fact is we're still united party before the fact that we want to defeat hillary clinton in november. >> same question to you, though, patricia. he was very blunt, marco rubio, in calling out what's happening here and said it's destroying the party. is that what we're watching happen right now, the republican party falling apart? >> well, it took until this rally in chicago getting canceled and turning into protests for donald trump's rivals to use this kind of language against him. they had an opportunity at thursday's debate, to denounce some of the issues that had happened of violence in his previous rallies. and none of them was that harsh. and so it's really taking them all a while to kind of just say

i'm not sure i can support him, it's getting harder every day. and i think that is a sign that the party doesn't want to fracture but is facing increasing tensions over what to do. >> struggling potentially with what to do. >> let me ask you about florida because you cover this state. you both live here. i'll start with patricia. do you see everything that we're covering right now having an impact on voters here in florida? trump leads here by double digits. >> well, he's have been rallies here in south florida on zone and monday. the one on monday is at his golf we are sort. he had a rally there in october that had some tensions already. and this was months ago. one of the protesters got kind of roughed up on his way out. there were several incidents that erupted. it's not at a venue where you would expect that, right, a fancy golf course. what i saw on social media since last night is interest in trump in going, being motivated if you're a trump supporter to support hip and try to see him

but interest in protesters saying maybe this is an opening for us. i think that's all going to play out for voters who today, tomorrow, are already going to the polls in early voting sets. >> do you think florida voters, i know you don't take sides in any of this. you're not supporting any particular candidate. are they entrenched at this point? have they decided trump, rubio, cruz, and they're not going to shift or could we see a lot of last-minute changes? >> i think there could be changes. some of the polls that folks have referenced there's also a demographic that is still undecided. there are a lot of folks who here in florida is very obvious. they wait until march 15th. we have early voting. >> a lot have already voted. >> there are a lot of people who are still waiting and it's because they're looking to the last few days. looking at the debates. looking at what the candidates are saying at the rallies. i do think this has an impact. what are the candidates, how are they dealing with the situation and with that, this atmosphere it could, in my opinion, have a little bit of a shift and that could impact the results of march 15th. >> patricia and wadi, thanks so

much for being with us. appreciate it. marco rubio condemning incidents of violence in chicago at a donald trump rally last night. just days before that crucial primary here in his home state. florida's winner take all primary rm as we said is a must win for senator rubio. he trails significantly when it comes to delegates. the current count shows rubio with 153 delegates, behide ted cruz and donald trump. joining me now, jay con rowe, senior adviser to senator marco rubio. he joins us from california this morning. good to see you, jason. >> good morning. >> we just heard your candidate, and i assume you heard his comments. were you able to hear him earlier this hour? >> yes. yes, i did. >> tell me how you would define what we just heard. i thought it sounded like he was exasperated and frustrated and maybe a little angry himself at the way donald trump has, as he said, brought us to this point.

>> yeah, it would be difficult for me to be much more eloquent in describing the situation than the words that he used to describe it. it has been a frustrating process because, you know, trump's antics have not gotten the microscope that they deserved. i think the entertainment he provided to this process drew a lot of people's attention to a race that usually is kind of a boring thing unless you're a political junkie. and he wasn't vetted i think in a meaningful way. he's gotten to a point now where he has used incendiary language, played on the fears and anger of americans that feel the institutions of the country have failed them and i think we've gotten to this point now where folks are not behaving rationally and i think we are really at a point where he's ripping the country apart. >> and yet he is leading here in florida. and as you know, a pro-rubio super pac has an ad out against john kasich right now. i saw it in sarasota yesterday. is attacking kasich the way to

win florida or does your team need to go after donald trump and knock him off his pedestal? >> well, what that pact does has nothing to do with what our campaign does. they operate independently of us. you know, i think we've always believed that our campaign is about marco rubio and what his vision is for america. it's been very hard to communicate that in a meaningful way when everything is focused on donald trump's antics. and you know, any time he does something ridiculous, you know, as soon as you start to focus on it he does something else ridiculous. i think that's where it gets us to where we are today. i would say when we're talking about florida, we feel very good. i mean, the polls have been incredibly volatile but there have been several polls this week that have showed us closing in on donald trump. there was a poll several days ago that showed amongst absentee voters that have already voted that marco had a 25% lead over trump. and i think what happened last night is a reminder of the stakes that we have, you know, on the sought come. i think florida voters are going to look at that and regardless

about angry they might be they're going to probably say to themselves that's not what i signed up for. that's not what i want to see the leader of my party, the leader of my country being responsible for. that kind of division. we've got to bring the party today together. we've got to bring conservatives together. we've got to bring americans together. if we're going to move the country forward. >> to be fair, most of the polling here does still show rubio behind donald trump. let's talk about best case scenario. if rubio wins here in florida and kasich wins ohio or loses ohio, let's put it that way, then what happens? what is your path? what is marco rubio's path to the nomination because if you look we have it on screen here, the best case delegate math for rubio is that you end up with 285 versus trump at 556. how do you make up that math? how does he go ahead and win after florida? >> well, i mean, if you look at that number, donald trump is not even halfway to getting the what

majority of delegates that he needs. i think with a florida win that will breathe, i think a new enthusiasm into our campaign, i think it will start to effect the primaries and caucuses that we have in front of us, and if donald trump doesn't get to 1,237 delegates, the reality is we're going to have a brokered convention and we're going the have to fight it out there. ic i think it's a fight worth having because this is about the future of our country and we cannot as a party or as a nation have donald trump, you know, represent one of the two major parties in this country. he is not reflective of who republicans are. and i don't think is in any way equipted to bring this country together and move us forward. >> jason roe, supporter of the rubio campaign. thanks for being with us again this morning. >> thanks, kate. you've been watching it down in the little box on your screen. let's look live at dayton, ohio. that's where donald trump will speak about half an hour from now. he's scheduled to be there. we'll take a look at the tone of trump rallies right after this.

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welcome back to miami. senator bernie sanders expected to address reporters in chicago minutes from now. we'll be taking you to that live. that's just taking place a few miles away from where trump supporters and protesters clashed last night in chicago. meanwhile, trump supporters in dayton, ohio, already awaiting the start of a rally there. they've been lined up since early this morning. later today trump will travel to cleveland for a rally and then on to kansas city, missouri. early this hour we heard an exasperated marco rubio responding to last night's events. >> i still at this moment continue to intend to support the republican nominee. but it's getting harder every day. >> i'm joined now by msnbc's tony in cleveland where trump holds that rally at 2:00 p.m. tony, you've been talking with

trump supporters lining up. i know you asked one young man for his message to supporters and protesters on how to conduct themselves today. let's take a listen to that. >> just respect everyone's ideas no matter what side you're on. just do everything peacefully. no need for violence. >> tony, is that what you're hearing from most people and are you getting the sense that people might be showing up because of what happened last night? >> absolutely, kate. we're outside the cleveland exposition center. very different setting from chicago last night. on the outskirts of the airport. there's a freight train that keeps moving through. not far from here there is a university baldwin wallace university, at our local affiliate wkyc is following social media reports of protesters amassing to join this event. a prominent school in some of the black lives matter protests here a few summers ago. anything can happen.

one thing that's fascinating about trump events is people line up. and you can't tell who is a trump supporter and who is a, quote, unquote, trump supporter. everyone is in camouflage until they get inside and make themselves known. i want to introduce you to two folks who came here from buffalo. mark and matt. so there's a protester. he's got a sign up that says trump is hitler's son. you're here with your son. >> that's correct. >> what's it like exposing him to that kind of thing? >> that doesn't bother me at all. he has a right to stand there and protest. when i see that it just, you know, i don't know what to say about it but it doesn't bother me at all. >> are you concerned that today we could see a repeat of what we saw in chicago last night? >> i don't think so. i think that what was seen last night was minor. i think it was a little bit overplayed. i'm here with my son as well as my wife. i feel perfectly safe going into this event. really looking forward to it. i think a lot of people aren't used to people like donald trump speaking politically, you know, not speaking politically correct

and people make references to things that he said. and you know, i just don't buy into it all. i think this is going to be a great rally. >> some people have said how can i explain donald trump to my children, given some of his rhetoric, and the violence around the event? >> i'm standing here with my son now and i can tell you that i don't view things politically correctly. and donald trump doesn't either. and i can explain that to my son very easily and let him know that politicians aren't always the answer and donald trump is certainly not a politician. and that's what we like about him most. >> all right. thank you very much. now, kate, people are talking about the security concerns leading up to the convention here in july. if donald trump is unable to win in florida and ohio on tuesday it's very likely we could see a brokered or contested convention. this that happens the protesters now against donald trump may switch to be on his side to push him to get that nomination. >> thanks so much, tony. we're going to take a little bit of a break right now and be

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some of the angry protests that we've seen at donald trump rallies in recent weeks really boiled over last night in chicago. some this morning are pointing to trump's own comments as spark that lit the fuse. we've gone back and put together a series of comments from trump at various rallies since february. these are in chronological order. take a listen. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay. just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. i love the old days. you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. it's true. i'd like to punch him in the face, i tell ya. in the good old days, they would rip him out of that seat so f t

fast, but today everybody's politically correct. our country is going to hell with being politically correct. going to hell. get him out of here, please. get him out. get him out. are you from mexico? are you from mexico? huh? are you from mexico? get out of here. get out. out! >> donald trump in his own words. let's bring in political analyst shawn pittman and steve litz, affiliate here in miami. thanks very much for being with us, both of you, on a saturday morning. let me start with you, shawn. how much of what we're seeing do you think is driven by donald trump's rhetoric? >> well, i mean, i don't want to over simplify it, right? let's talk about -- talk about the things that we're pretending not to know here, right? we're pretending not to know that we're in america. and it's difficult to be in america because we have

something steve called first amendment that tells you that i could say something at the top of my voice that you might loath and you can say something at the top of your voice that i might loath. donald trump has a right to the first amendment as well. but here's the thing. what is his responsibility for that? right? here's where he has to show us whether he's presidential or not. right? he's shown us that he can anger people. people out of high school can't get the same jobs they used to get, they can't support their families, they can't send their kids to college. they're angry about that. what's his responsibility for that? can he bring those people down and make them feel -- make them feel comfortable? i think that's where we are right now. and other thing that we have to really consider is if he can get acrowd of people like that, steve, if he can make a crowd of people like that angry enough that they're willing to fight, what will he do to the countries that hate the united states if he's president of the united states? will they decide that they just want to fight? he's a tough guy.

and people are responding to that. but what's his responsibility for that, kate? >> steve, you've covered donald trump here in florida. at his resort in dor al, florida. donald trump frequently says protesters are the ones throwing punches. i was at a rally in las vegas, the one where he famously said, "punch him in the face" and i have to tell you -- maybe i missed it, but i didn't see that man throwing any punches. i guess i just wonder where the truth is in all of this. it does seem like he's sort of making things up about the protesters. >> okay. so, yep, you're right. i haven't seen protesters throwing any punches. you see them stand up -- >> and yell. as sean says. >> sure. hold some signs and then they're pounced on. last night when all of this was unfolding on tv, live tv, donald trump called into a couple different networks and he talked about the anger. people are concerned about jobs. they're concerned about the

economy. they don't like the state of politics. i think what you're seeing at these rallies, that's not people who are angry about politics and jobs. those are people who are angry at the sight of protesters, their blood boils and they want to do something about it and so they resort to violence. so, yes, the country is angry. and people are frustrated with what's going on. but frustration and violence at these rallies, i think that's a different thing. >> how does all of this impact florida? we're sitting here in miami. we've got a huge vote here on tuesday. it's make or break for marco rubio, really. and we just heard him so frustrated and saying he's not even sure he can support donald trump if he's the eventual nominee. >> florida is obviously important. and you see some games going on that aren't a part of the original script, right? you see people campaigning in florida who don't have a chance at winning. >> ted cruz. >> you see people -- >> exactly. you see people attacking other candidates who don't have a chance at winning in florida. so there's some things going on here, some outlining things that aren't being talked about.

listen, if rubio doesn't win florida, it's unfortunate for him. there's been a lot of votes cast early. and you would think that that helps marco rubio, steve. but it might hurt him. because how many of those votes are for jeb bush? >> you wonder how these optics are going to translate when it comes to tuesday. and certainly, if trump supporters have made up their minds and they are loyalists. but some republican voters out there, who see what's going on, they don't want to have anything, any part to do with that. almost embarrassed at what they're seeing. so i've been covering the news a long time, covering politics a long time. i've watched video come in from other parts of the world. it looks like that. and when you see something like that, you wonder. that's america? how would something like that happen in america? >> and you wonder how all of this impacts, as you say, the voter who is going to walk into that booth on tuesday night and make a decision. maybe they do side with marco rubio, because they like what they heard him say this morning. maybe they stick with donald trump. >> and when we heard mr. rubio talk this morning, throughout

this process, we've heard these republican nominees talk about i'm going to vote for the republican nominee that was not what mr. rubio said this morning. it was the first crack. it was the first crack we've heard from one of these nominees who may not be supporting the republican nominee if, in fact, it's donald trump. >> so good to have you guys with us. sean pittman and steve litz. thank you so much for being here on a saturday morning. go get some -- a cappuccino or something, right? we expect donald trump, by the way to arrive in dayton, ohio, a few moments from now. we'll bring his rally live when it happens. (avo) after 50 years of designing cars for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet. a car that can see trouble and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not toyota. not ford or any other brand. subaru eyesight. an extra set of eyes, every time you drive.

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