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ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. and thank you for joining us right here on msnbc, the place for politics this hour. i'm richard lui with you. we're looking at some live pictures from a rally? kansas city, missouri, where donald trump is due to take the stage any minute. we'll get to that. this coming tlaene ining less t since a trump event in chicago erupted into this, clashes between protesters and supporters after trump canceled his appearance citing security concerns. earlier today at another campaign stop in cleveland, trump citing the protesters to try and motivate the supporters ahead of tuesday's crucial primary. >> we have 25,000 people coming and they really stopped these people in terms of our first amendment, freedom of speech, a terrible situation.
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i have to tell you. and it just makes all of our friends and supporters more angry. we're going to go to the polls on tuesday and we're going to be resounding victory. resounding. >> that rally was interrupted by protesters as well, multiple times. and at an earlier event in dayton, ohio, trump was almost overtaken entirely when a man tried to rush the stage. he was tackled by secret service and later charged with disorderly conduct and inducing panic. let's get to nbc news' katy tur at the trump rally in kpansas city that's about to start soon. katy, what's been the mood so far there today? all right. katy tur will join us very -- there she is. i believe, katy, can you hear me? we'll get to katy tur very shortly, again, at the location of the rally we'll be going to
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in a little bit. let's go to msnbc national reporter trymaine lee, i believe trymaine is outside the location where that rally is about to start and trymaine, can you hear me? >> reporter: i can hear you, chuck. >> trymaine, tell any what has been the mood outside today? this hopefully in stark contrast to what we saw earlier at trump rallies. >> reporter: i'll tell you what the difference is, there's still so much passion and energy on both sides. those who are protesting the event and those who are supporting it. what we're miss here is the element of violence. it doesn't feel the same way. in st. louis yesterday from the very beginning, it felt like there was something in the air. you don't have that. again, passions are still running high. there are still people who are frustrated and angry on both sides. the stark difference is everything is cool, calm and ord orderly. police have a good presence out here. protesters are loud, have their signs but there's no violence at all. i have one protester with me
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right now, what brought you out here today? >> basically because i don't understand, i don't really like what donald trump is really plen presenting and putting out there and i don't understand how come a person with the money just up and run for president just out of nowhere. he has no background or anything like that on politics or nothing. >> reporter: what do you think of the last few rallies we've seen the violence escalating and said get them out? the rhetoric that people said created a toxic environment. does his rhetoric concern you and the way his supporters response? >> i don't understand why people have to be violent. this right here is a very peaceful protest right here and this is type of stuff i love to be around because i feel we're standing strong. people are supporting the same thing i'm supporting around racism. we're against racism. we don't like people that hate. we love all people. this is kansas city. we love everybody. we're in the center of the map. we pretty much feed off
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everybody, east coast, west coast, south, north. everybody's here. >> reporter: that's the one part that is evident when you look at the crowd, it is white, it is black, hispanic, older, younger. people who have different agendas coming together to make their voices clear they don't appreciate trump and his rhetoric. the other side hasn't been very rowdy at all. the line is stretching down the block and around the corner. they're waiting to get in. a few moments you had to imagine something could happen. protesters wept to the other side. instead of violence and friction, you had dialogue, heated dialogue but dialogue nonetheless. >> i know we're having technical difficul difficulties, but while we're here, there's an underlining frustration that may exist. in this case is it simply that they do not like trump? >> reporter: well, i think it's what they see in trump's rhetoric and his message. again, this young man just mentioned a minute ago, you know, it's about love. again, mexicans, blacks, whites, are coming together.
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the idea of building walls to keep people out, the idea of expelling or keeping a movement from coming to the country. that doesn't sit well with this group. this is a pretty young group, diverse in age and race. it's actually much different than around the country especially around issues that had been intentional about focusing their efforts around young black men and violence. this is about bridge-building and coalition-building, very dig difficult than what we've seen. >> trymaine, speaking to nothos who are there, african-american, latino-american and different backgrounds here, how are they talks about following the donald trump campaign? are they saying they might continue to participate by peacefully protesting in coming events? >> reporter: well, here's the difference. these things are all pretty local. it's all politics are local. a lot of organizing is still local. so the motivation behind folks in st. louis to come out. or chicago when you have issues
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like laquan mcdonald and the issue with the mayor, that's dig different than kansas city. one young activist earlier talked about a number, i think she said 47 or 50 black men killed in the last 4 years by the police. that's a local issue that connects to the broader idea of state sanctioned violence, but against all locals. they're not necessarily talking about nationalizing this but locally at each stop, we've seen groups who are already established, organized around these particular issues coming out to make their voices heard against donald trump. >> trymaine lee, msnbc national correspondent, choose love and love wins, some of the signs behind him right now. that's one of the signs that we've seen over the last 24 hours. thank you so much, trymaine. definitely hitting the point coming out of chicago, the points that have been made that it was very much localized because those demonstrators there being energized because of previous protests against their local mayor, rahm emanuel and how relationships with the community have not been handled well as some have been
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observing. let's get to msnbc political reporter bengie in cleveland, ohio. there at a location where a tru trump rally was held earlier today. how did that go? as you heard from trymaine most likely here, that things are different than they were yesterday. >> reporter: that's right, here especially i think more than other rallies today. it was relatively calm. the supporters who were waiting in line i talked to gave a number of reasons. some said chicago is different, h has an activist culture. some of it was the location. it's pretty empty, we're right by an airport in a parking lot whereas the rally in chicago was center of the city downtown by a college campus, it was easier for protesters to show up on foot. in general, the mood was
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subdued. there were flashes of anger. there was a moment when a trump supporter told a black lives matter protester to, quote, go back to africa. in general, people were mostly calmer. there were a lot of smiling faces. people i talked to, however, were very aware of the news out of chicago and were mostly upset with the protesters. they really did not buy into this idea that trump bore responsibility for inciting violence, what candidates have been saying about him all dayaf the quote here. what was the response to that statement? >> reporter: well, i saw it in a video that our own correspondent took. it sounded like there was a lot of cursing and obscenity thrown right back. people were pretty upset. now, this -- there were not a lot of protesters here. this was not like the scene you saw that trymaine has been showing where there are barricades and people yelling at each other or scuffling. in the speech, itself, however, there were protester interrupts, par for the course with all
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trump events at this point. none of them stood out immediately as particularly violent. they were mostly booed on the way out while trump said things like get them out of here, get them the hell out. one thing that's new is trump has taken to blaming bernie sanders freerquently for the supporters calling them the bernie crowd and accusing bernie sanders of fomenting violence. that's how he's responded toing a zapgss to him now that protests have escalated. >> bengy, donald trump also mentions john kasich, of course, the concern in ohio is that latest fox news poll showing that john kasich has some life in him if that poll -- if those poll numbers are correct here. >> reporter: that's right. trump has a very specific sort of ethics when he deals with other candidates. if they don't attack him and not threatening him in the polls, he usually leaves them alone. that's been the case with kasich for months now. that fox news poll which showed kasich ahead in ohio which is a critically important winner take all state that could put trump on a glide path toward the nomination prompted him to start attacking kasich continuously in
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his rallies here. today, he was mentioning that kasich voted for nafta in congress, which trump is very critical of and is a major story in the rust belt. so trump has definitely turned his sights on kasich and interesting to see how the crowds respond to attacks on their own governor. >> all got their eyes on that big prize this coming tuesday, second largest prize of all the voting days so far in the election calendar for us. bengy sarlin, thanks for that report. appreciate it. let's go to katy tur at the trump rally in kansas city. we got the connection back here, katy. the question is what's the mood like on the lead-up now as we expect donald trump to hit the microphone shortly? >> reporter: it's a relatively calm mood compared to the other rallies earlier today and certainly the rally in chicago yesterday. it's a small theater right now and everyone's sitting down at the moment. they're excited to be here. they said they're not worried about violence. but for the most part when you talk to the supporters here, they think that the problem are
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the people that protest. ones that come in with the explicit purpose of agitating, of disrupting a rally. they say that they're not going to hillary clinton rallies, not going to bernie sanders rallies to disrupt those so why are they coming here and disrupting our first amendment? outside, there were a number of protesters but they were kept well away from donald trump supporters. they were across the street with a line of cops separating the two. nobody wanting to take any chances that it's going to turn violent in kansas city the way we saw it turn violent in chicago. earlier, though, today, certainly some clashes. there was a moment at donald trump's dayton, ohio, rally where the secret service encircled him because a man jumped the barricades and tried to get to donald trump. that man has now been arrested and charged. also in cleveland, a number of clashes as you heard tony, my colleague out there, getting video of a number of trump supporters yelling at donald
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trump protesters as well saying go back to africa, if you want to call yourself african-americans. so certainly some ugly scenes out there but so far here, in kansas city, we have not seen that. it has been relatively calm. we'll see what donald trump says when he takes the stage in a couple of minutes. he certainly can't be accused of not fanning the flames at the moment. he's called the protesters at his chicago rally thugs. he's been pretty aggressive in his rhetoric on the stage so far today and we're going to find out if that continues tonight. richard. >> katy, there are few people that an say they've seen it all when it comes to donald trump, but you have seen it all. you were there from the beginning when donald trump s d said, i want to be president. you've interviewed him, been at just about all of this rallies with him. if you were to take a step back in the last 24 to 48 hours for us, can you put into context, are we in a different chapter of this campaign of donald trump or has this always been this way?
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>> reporter: i think there's always been momentary violence, there's always been controversy. he has been a provocateur. he started his whole campaign with a provocative statement calling some mexicans rapists and criminals crossing the border. we saw him say that he proposed at least a temporary ban on all muslims coming into this country. he didn't immediately repudiate the kkk even though he was asked to do so three times on a morning show. even though he disavowed it a have days earlier which is interesting. we've seen him say islam hates america. when ask the about that all 1.6 billion muslims in the world, if he believes all hate america, donald trump said on the debate stage a couple days ago that he believes a lot of them do. he's said a lot of provocative statement this entire campaign season, but i can tell you in the last month or so, we've really seen the tension escalate at his campaign rallies especially the other day when we were in new orleans, that was a
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really tense and almost scary at times rally. you had black lives matter protesters, a number of other protesters continuously interrupting his event and refusing to leave having to be dragged out by the cops. they were not punching supporters as donald trump might va le have alluded to but were certainly yelling back at supporters and supporters were yelling back at them. i've heard donald trump say that he would like to punch a protester. i've heard him say that he believes the protesters are throwing punches. i have never seen that until what we saw in chicago. so i think the tension has been rising. i think part of that is mr. trump's rhetoric on the stage. i think part of that is because he's started touring southern states and the rallies have been a little more raukus. we were not seeing this in iowa, not seeing it in new hampshire. we were seeing some of it in
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south carolina. we see it in the bigger cities when the audience can be more racially diverse and that's because a lot of the protesters that are coming in are minorities. they're protesting donald trump's rhetoric. they're protesting his words about minorities. they're protesting his words about black lives matters protesters. they're protesting his words about wanting to ban all muslims from coming to this country. they're protesting his words about latinos. they're protesting him tweeting a crime statistic that was bogus that claimed that white people were killed mostly by black people earlier this year. they don't believe that he is being helpful for this country. they believe that he's dividing this country so what they're doing is now they're coming in in the areas where they live, essentially, and they're trying to disrupt this. they're trying to take a stand. they're trying to make a scene. so in this sense, there is blame to lie on both sides because the protesters are coming in in the hopes of making a scene, in the hopes of having a clash and the supporters are giving it back to
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them. all the while donald trump is not doing a lot to make sure that his campaign rallies are calm and safe environments. there is an announcement, we had one just a couple minutes ago, that says donald trump values the first amendment just as much as he values the second amendment. i've heard it so many times now that i think i could say it verbatim. >> right. >> reporter: basically it says that then it says, please do not harm the protesters if you hear them protesting, wave your sign and chant "usa, usa, usa or trump, trump, trump, trump, trump." thattent of what they do to keep the rallies calm. he likes what he says because it makes the cameras pan and shows how big the crowd size is then he says "get them out, get them out, get them out." he fuels this. if he's not creating an atmosphere that's tense, he's allowing an atmosphere that's tense to thrive.
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>> the "get them out" quote is similar to the "you're fired" quote we had seen for so many years as well. katy, i know you got to get back to work here, but very quickly, can you tell me, has his messaging -- have the words that donald trump has used, has it changed as you're driving that arc of what's happening around him, has he become intense, acted in the way, in the words he's chosen to use, over the recent months? >> reporter: i think he's become -- he's doubled down on it, frankly. we asked him a number of times at press conference, i asked him at the debate the other day afterwards if he was going to change his tone, what he was essentially going to do in order to keep these situations a little bit more calm and he said, he vowed he was going to do everything that they could, although he did admit he can't control what he called crowds of 30,000, 35,000 people. they're not usually that large but they are certainly large. so he said he was going to try and make sure that nobody got hurt, but in terms of how he's
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changed his behavior, the words that he's using on stage, i have not seen him change at all. i think he's only doubled down on this rhetoric and he's been as aggressive as he ever was. >> all right. as you have documented much of what donald trump has been doing since he launched his campaign, you've been with him as i mentioned earlier. thank you so much for your very cogent and specific perspective on what we've seen over the last 24 hours. katy tur with the trump campaign. of course, we'll be going back to her later on when the rally does start. we expect that to happen very, very shortly. back with me right now, msnbc contributor, josh barro joining me. also betty woodruff, politics reporter at "the daily beast." josh, as that has been happening and as we're waiting for that event to start, finishing in the last hour was governor john kasich in ohio making his plea,
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making his last case, if you will, for the all-important 159 delegates at stake. it's a winner take all there. it's his own state. he's the governor there. and as we listened to him last hour, it would seem that he had the texture, as i was describing before, a fabric, if you will, of a candidate that in me other cycle sounds like it would be right off of a movie script, if you can say that, because, you know, coming from an immigrant family, he lost both of his parents to a tragic accident, a blue-collar upbringing. he was speaking at a manufacturing plant, a plant that makes water pumps, josh, that basically run all of our sewage systems around the country. a state that has gone through many states of evolution, shall we say, when it comes to the move from manufacturing to technology in our country. yet he still has not resonated so far, josh. >> yeah, no, you kind of
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couldn't imagine two more different messages than the kasich message which is easily the most optimistic of anybody in the republican field running a very positive campaign, spends a lot less time talking about how awful president obama is than the other republican candidates do, and in ohio, you would think that would resonate. kasich is very popular there. the economy has actually done really well in ohio over the last few years. ohio has had a lot of trouble related to international trade and decline in manufacturing, but in the last five or six years unemployment's fallen very sharply there, it's below the national average. you would think that his message of hope would resonate with republican voters who have already said in two statewide elections that they like him a lot. on the other hand, donald trump with this message basically how the country has gone completely off the rails, we need to change everything and bring the country back again, bring back what once was. donald trump won in michigan. ohio is in a lot of ways similar to michigan. given in a normal election year you would think this was kasich's thing to run away with,
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but i think there's this mood among republican voters in the country that is very angry, feels like their country has been taken away from them, even separate from the economic issues. i think we need to look at this more broadly. it's not just people are upset they don't have jobs. unemployment is under 5% in ohio but people have this deep kind of cultural resentment that i think trump is speaking to. we won't know until they vote which message is more appealing. >> and betsy, as josh is talking about here, that concern, that resentment, the words that have been used, the word, anger, so commonly in this election cycle, betsy. will that be the message in ohio that the candidates need to address? because if you look at some of the numbers there that might aid john kasich, the governor realize what we're seaing in the fox news poll, up by five or six percentage points. you know nr, mansfield where he speaking, see the video on the right-hand side there. he was there an hour ago, betsy. their credit rating was actually
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just raised. i was reading a headline from yesterday. their credit rating went up. so will that "i did a good job as governor" resonate for him and perhaps bring him to a win in ohio? winner take all? >> it certainly seems to be resonating. ef in the real clear politics average, kasich is within three percentage points of donald trump. he's obviously doing quite well in ohio. of course, as mentioned, this is more than just the fact that he has a very different message and a message that starkly contrasts with trump. of course, this is his home state. he has to win ohio. he's not playing in any other states. all his resources are here. if ted cruz or marco rubio had also invested significant money or volunteer or staff resources in ohio, these numbers might look different. but that said, i mean, look, kasich's message without a doubt appeals significantly to a lot of people. and we talk about how politics are about contrasts. there might not be a bigger contrast in this election than that between kasich and trump. i saw some handouts here in d.c.
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as republicans are waiting to vote, i think that a picture of kasich, and i think the line was "fight the darkness" or "end the darkness." that doesn't sound whatsoever like trump when he talks about the state of affairs in american politics. kasich is doing something different. >> you bring that up, fight the darkness. as many of you know in the space, governor john kasich at some point as a catholic was considering to become a priest. and then decided not to. but the death of his parents brought him back, if you will, back to his faith as a catholic. and there are these elements that he sort of alludes to in his rallies. today, for instance, he was saying when he first ran for governor in ohio, betsy, that folks were saying, who is this governor? people are probably saying now, betsy, who is this presidential candidate? and only now maybe, perhaps, we are hearing who he is. >> without a doubt. certainly. especially nationally that's happening. on the ohio level, people are
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getting a chance to scrutinize his record a bit lit l bmore. he knows the state inside-out. he's comfortable with the state's culture. not to veer too far into stereotypes, but look, ohio is the midwest. donald trump does incredibly well in the northeast and deep south. he hand so far had overwhelmingly impressive showings in the midwest. except, of course, from michigan. i spent a summer interning at a small paper in toledo, ohio, and just dispositionally what the folks i interviewed with, interacted with, what they cared about, not the same as in other states. of course, we talked about ohio as a microcosm of the united states. i don't know if that's always true. there's a distinctive political culture there. it's possible kasich can tap into that in a way that works out for him. of course, it's also possible trump outperforms the polls and ohio wants to make trump great again. we'll see what happens. of course, making predictions is a fool's errand. kasich seems to be in a good place right now. >> quickly to josh before we go to break, josh, betsy so well
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describing that complexity of midwestern states. it's just not manufacturing. also as she's alluding to this evolution toward technology. see that in michigan, ann arbor, other cities throughout the midwe midwest. they're a little bit of everything. that plays to the stereotype of the midwestern states, of swing states. but maybe, as she says here, it is a john kasich that will resonate in his home state this time around. >> well, i certainly think if kasich weren't from ohio, trump would be running away with the state. i think there are two parts of the midwest. trump has done poorly in the plains, those are parts of the country, places like minnesota and iowa, republican primarygoers are very likely to be churchgoing. they've had a some quwhat bette economic trajectory over the last 40 years than the rust belt. rust belt state paerng, pennsyl illinois, illinois, people have strong anti-trade sentiments and people feel like things were better in the past and the
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economy they were used to has been stripped away from them. i actually think ohio is demographically a very strong state for trump. the question is whether kasich's record in ohio, his extreme popularity in ohio, is enough to carry him over the top. even if he won ohio, he's going to lose illinois. i don't know whether he's going to go and win the pennsylvania primary going forward. i don't think that there is a lot of rust belt optimism for somebody like kasich outside ohio. >> this despite the big three doing better than they've done in recent decades. so many things happening at the very same time in the states we're talking about this hour. again, 66 delegates at play here. come tuesday. as on the republican side as they try to get as much as they can. thank you so much, betsy woodruff of "the daily beast." josh barro, msnbc contributor. you'll be with us for the rest of the hour. we're going to take a short break and take you right back to this microphone. we expect a rally to begin very
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. it's called chaos, called anarchy. that's what we're careening toward in our political process. this continues, i don't think it will rip apart at the seams and be incapable of solving any of the major issues we have. >> joining us on msnbc, the place for politics, gabe gutierrez, nbc correspondent in tampa, florida, where we're looking toward tuesday. when it comes to the republicans, it's 99 delegates at stake, gabe. what is marco rubio saying today as he gets ready for a rally there in pensacola, florida? >> reporter: yeah, hi, richard. as you just heard right there, marco rubio with some very harsh words for donald trump using words like "careening toward anarchy." and he really -- i saw him more visibly frustrated today than i think at any other point in this campaign. i mean, he really was telling his supporters that he thought that if donald trump became the nominee of the republican party that this -- that the republican
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party could be defined by this for years to come. interesting point, though, when asked by reporters at a news conference this morning, he came back and he said that he was no longer sure if he could support donald trump as the republican nominee if he did get the nomination. that's departure from just a few days earlier when during that debate he and the other two donald trump rivals, ted cruz and john kasich, had both pledged -- all three of them pledged to support donald trump. no matter what. now today wasn't just rubio, but john kasich also seemed to waiver in that support, ted cruz was the only one of the three that stood by his pledge but marco rubio, again, visibly frustrated as he crisscrosses the state today. several events in the tampa area. tonight he's in pensacola. tomorrow he'll be in the orlando area. actually in the villages, florida. he has such a steep hill to climb, richard, anywhere from his polling here in the state is anywhere from 6 to 23 points down behind donald trump. but, again, he is just visibly
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frustrated at the direction this discourse has taken and his campaign, though, still confident, they still say they will win here on tuesday. the question will be can he gain any traction here and will donald trump, or what's happening at these donald trump rallies, will it hurt trump here at all in florida? that remains to be seen. richard? >> yeah, gabe, as you know so well here that existential question that the rubio campaign is asking, if we don't do well on tuesday, do we continue? nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez for us this hour in tampa, florida. thank you, gabe. i want to bring in dave helling, political reporter for the "kansas city star." we move now, stay in the republican race but get back up to kansas city, missouri, we're expecting on the bottom right hand side of our screen if you're a viewer, a rally to begin shortly with donald trump. that's where you're at right now outside at the moment. in your reporting, as you've been out there looking at this, dave, you know, the big story line right now is what happened in the last 24 hours.
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>> reporter: well, precisely. in missouri, richard, i'm not sure we can completely diagnose that yet, but we do know that missouri, unlike any other state that goes to the polls next tuesday, does not have early voting. you know, in florida, a lot of people have already voted, ohio. in missouri, virtually no one has voted so the impact of what hat happened in chicago, by the way, what might happen tonight in kansas city, could be felt on tuesday. we'll have to wait and see what voters decide to do. >> then there's what cannot be ignored behind you, dave, those are there who are saying, i do not support donald trump. that's the energy that has hit new peaks from friday and now into saturday moving there in kansas city, missouri. our trymaine lee was saying this is very much localized. it depends which city you're in in terms of the amount of energy, types of people you'll
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see in the streets. in your reporting, what have you seen in kansas city, missouri? this as you allude to the big vote there tuesday as well? >> reporter: there's a big bernie sanders contingent in kansas city, richard. he was here about two weeks ago, drew 7,500 people to a rally in the middle of the day, so you get some sort of energy on that side. many of those people are here tonight for the donald trump event, but the chicago incident friday night, i think, really did play a role in getting more people to come out and to make this a little bit more aggressive than it might have been otherwise. you always get people at a trump rally protesting, of course, but there seems a special energy here tonight. a special aggressiveness. we'll have to see how it plays out, but i think there's no question chicago played a role in that. >> as you move closer to voting day here, what has surprised you in terms of what has happened in your city and state? >> reporter: well, as you may know on the kansas side, we had caucuses on march 5th and ted
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cruz won those over donald trump by a 2-1 margin and there is a chance, a pretty good chance, actually, that the race in missouri next tuesday on the republican side will be very, very close. it could be trump, could be cruz. one or two points apart. we'll have to see how voters make their voices heard. >> dave helling, thank you so much from the "kansas city star." great timing. let's go indoors from where you are standing. donald trump beginning his rally right now. >> nice crowd. nice group. nice group. thank you. wow. this is incredible. this is incredible. this whole experience has been amazing. i just want to thank everybody. we've had an interesting couple of days, i have to tell you. but the crowds, you know, we were in dayton just a little while ago and the whole thing, it's been so unbelievable. it's been so unbelievable that the kind of crowds we've had
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have been, you know, they're record setting. look at all these people. look at all this press. look at that. look at that. [ cheers and applause ] oh, we love you. we love you. we love you, missouri. we love you, missouri. we love you. i could do it as though i came here but then i wouldn't be legit because i know it as missouri and we like it. so, thank you all, thank you all for being lehere. so we have a big, big day coming up on tuesday and i think that it's going to be hopefully record setting. they're talking about what's happening all over, all over the world they're talking about it and it has been such an honor, but they're talking about it as a movement. we're going to take our country back. we're going to make america great again. [ cheers and applause ]
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and we're going to bet hillary clinton. i assume it's going to be her. we're going to beat her very badly. and we haven't even started on that one yet, but we're going to beat her very badly and we've got to do it, otherwise we're all wasting time, folks, okay? and we don't want to wait time. we don't want to waste time. i will say this, look, i'm self-funding my campaign. ais i'm putting up my own money. you know, these other guys are all subject to whatever the people that put up the money, whether it's a pac, they're all subject to these people. they put up the money. believe me, that's the people they listen to. i call them the bosses. they are the bosses. so with me, you're the boss and that's the way we're going to have it. [ cheers and applause ] so we made some stops and we made some speeches today. we had incredible crowds.
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we had incredible crowds. we went to cleveland. we had 27,000 people in cleveland. and we went to dayton and we had 20,000. we had it in a hangar, and i didn't have to get out too much. i walked out the plane. was unbelievable. a massive hangar. packed. the people came forward and something interesting happened. did you hear about what happened? not so good. not so good. he just said, won't happen here. who knows. you got to be careful. we need strong courts. we need strong laws. you know, we're not playing on the same field. so should i talk about that or not? do you want me to talk about what happened? see, that's the nice thing about not using teleprompters and not reading speeches which would be so much easier. would be so much easier.
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boy, would that be nice. you get up, you read a speech, you read a speech, you leave 25 minutes later. next. no good, right? that's no good. by doing it the way i do it, number one, there's a lot more enthusiasm. there's a lot more energy. to quote jeb bush. but a lot -- a lot more energy. and you can talk about things that happened 25 minutes ago, you know, when you're writing up speeches, you can't do that. someday i'll read speeches, but i really don't like doing it as much. i do have something i'm going to read which i think you're going to find interesting. so i was in dayton, it was an amazing experience. we had great crowds. we had a great group of people. it sounds like you have a couple of protesters back there. to hell with them. who's there? i don't know. either they're protesters or
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they're great fans, right? but, but in dayton, so everything's going well, the crowd was really well behaved, because as you know, in chicago, we had a real problem. get them out of here. get them out. get them out. i think they're bernie supporters. i think they're bernie supporters. [ booing ] and a little bit less hillary. you know, hillary was saying, donald trump has to stop the rhetoric, he has to stop it. and my people agree. it's these people that are the problem. so they're bernie supporters. i'll tell you what, though, the police are so great, thank you, police. we love our police. we love our police.
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they do such a great job. they do such a great job. so, anyway, so yesterday in chicago, we -- yeah? hello, darling. go home to mom. go home to mommy. go home to mommy. look at those cameras the way they bend around. they'll do anything for a shot. that's why i love the protesters. the only way we find out how many people are in these places is through the protesters. so i love our protesters. and we don't want to hurt the protesters, please. we don't want to hurt the protesters. so here's the story. in chicago -- in chicago we had an interesting day. we had 25,000 people replying, they all wanted to be there. fortunately, we could call them,
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all right. thank you. you know, it's really amazing, you know, when you think about it, you see this -- just disrupters, bad people. so b for our country. so bad for our country. people have no idea what's going on. so, so bad. so bad. do we have a good time at trump rallies? does this happen with anyone else? man. unbelievable. here's another one. here's another beauty. get him out. oh, bernie. bernie. it's another bernie sign. get out of here, bernie.
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all right. thank you. any other protesters in the room? any others? they'll wear out. they get tired after a while. they get tired. that was a bernie -- she had a bernie side, a big professionally made bernie sign. you know. bernie -- bernie, our communist friend who's running. what a horrible thing. so those are bernie signs right off the printing press and they put them in. he's not doing so well, anyway. i guess it's going to be her, but we'll see. you go ahead, take care of them. get out of here. you know, if we do that to one of their rallies, you know what happens? front page how bad we are.
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okay? front page. we do that to one of their rallies, to bernie or to hillary, and they would say isn't that terrible, the press, the dishonest press? they're the most dishonest people in the world. they would say, isn't that terrible? isn't that terrible? get her out of here. get her out. you notice they're all singles, they're all singles. one here, one here. all right. unbelievable. exciting though, right? is it exciting? i mean, supposing this didn't happen, it really wouldn't be the same thing.
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don't we agree? wouldn't be quite the same. okay. let's go. come on. let's go. we can sit down -- look, everyone's so excited. you want to sit down? i love you people. all right. okay. are they out? are they gone? watch. after a few minutes, another one will pop up. it will be a bernie person. oh, would i love to run against bernie. do you remember -- hey, wait, do you remember when the two young women came up and took away his microphone and he went to the back like a little -- oh, they took away my -- that doesn't happen to us, folks. that doesn't happen to us. so we were in chicago yesterday and it was amazing, we had 25,000 people coming and we had disruption.
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they're disrupters. that's all they are. dru disrupters. they really came. you had all sorts of people. not a lot of people that you like, but you know what, i sort of want to like everybody, but these were absolute disrupters. and rather than go i didn't want to see anybody get hurt. i got plenty of time. we're in no rush. anybody in a rush? we're no no rush. we're in no rush. get them out. get them out. get them out. look at those cameras.
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they're shooting. get them out. thank you. okay. anybody else want to stand up. all right. get them out of here. get them out. get them out. this place is packed. you know we have thousands of people outside trying to get in. these people are taking their place. it's not worth it. we have thousands trying to get
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in. g get them out. anybody else? it's a lot of people up there. thank you, everybody. thank you. unbelievable. unbelievable what we have to put up. you and me and all of us. we're trying to make this country great again, and it's really hard with people like this. when you think about it, we want a strong military. we want protection. we want to take care of our vets. we want a good home. we want a great family. we want education. we want great health care. what's to argue with? we're looking for the same thing as them, as anybody else. what's the point in doing what they do? they're disrupters. let me tell you, the reason they're doing it is because
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there's never been anything like this that's happened before. you know what, folks, we're going to take our country back from these people. we're going to take it back. these are bad, bad people. we're going to take our country back from these people. we are going to take our country back from those people, those people. they do nothing. they do nothing. we're going to bring it back and we're going to make america great again, folks. we're going to make it great again. you know, they're treated very
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gently. very, very gently. i told the police, i knew there was going to be problems here. they said why don't you cancel. i said, no, we're not cancelling this time. not going to cancel this. i told the police, you have weak people and they're going to protest and they're going to stand up as individuals because they don't have enough to do it as a group. they're going to stand up. be very gentle when you take them out. very, very gentle. the police are doing that. are they all out so far? any new ones want to stand up? anybody else want to stand up. there's nothing so interesting as a trump rally, right? we're going to have -- i'll stand up all night. we'll do this all night. you know what, it's interesting. we have thousands of people outside want to come in. i know you probably have a few more. they'll stand up in the middle of a point.
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they always pick the right time. here's a good point. they stand up. almost we're better off we don't say anything. you hear that weak voice up there. that's a protester. that's a protester. it's when all the room goes there they are. there they are. now i have to stop. that voice, you can't even here it. it's pathetic. okay. yesterday in chicago, 25,000 people coming. we were going to have 15,000 outside. we had disrupters. i don't call them protesters. they were holding up professional signs. they said bernie. he didn't do anything in the senate. you have some hillary signs up.
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hillary, let's face it, you look at what's going on in the primaries, they're down 35%. there's no excitement. the republicans, you know what, we are so far millions and millions of people are showing up at the polls to vote. thank you. it's not for, i tell you what, it's not for little marco, and it's not for lying ted. it's not for the biggest liar. this is the biggest liar i've ever seen in my life. it's not for marco. it's not for ted. it's great honor. i want to tell you, it's a great, great honor what's going on. get them out. get them out. get them out. then the audience gets rough and the press say how dare they. try not to get too involved up there. don't hurt the person.
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don't hurt the person. see i'm a non-violent person. did you know that about me? nonviolent. try not to hurt the person. thank you. thank you, police. the police do a good job. look at this. look at the abuse our police are taking from this person. look at the abuse they take. boy, oh, boy. we're going to have to go back about 15 or 20 years. what we're doing in this country is not working. not working. it is not working. you know, just organized nonsense. it's just nonsense. we have a freedom of speech. we're not allowed to do that because of this garbage over here. we're not allowed to do that. we'll do it because we have a long time together. that's okay. we'll do it.
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i'm going to defend you. we're going to defend you. i'll tell you, somebody like hillary gets in, you're not going to be defended, it's going to get worse and worse. they'll end up with four more supreme court judges and you'll never recover as a country in a million years. we have something happening with us now. millions and millions of people are going to the polls that have never gone. they are going out an voting on the republican side. as i said, democrats down, 35%. bernie doesn't inspire. it's a little group that want a free lunch. that's all it is. that's all it is. hillary has zero inspirational quality. let's face it. they're down. from four years ago they're down 35%. we're up -- we have stated 102% up.
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75% up. 60% up. millions of people are going and voting, ideally, for me because i'm won so much. they're voting. some never voted before. many are democrats. they came over. many are independents and many, many, many are people that never voted before. when i sign and i'll do that in a little while, and when i shake hands with people, people tell me, i'm telling you, every tenth person tells me, mr. trump, like a 50-year-old guy, 60-year-old people, a 70-year-old, my all time was a woman, 93 years old in tennessee. she never voted before. she's got a trump shirt on. incredible woman. never sloeted befo voted before. she's 93 years old. we have people, by the way, it's called a movement.
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in the history of the united states and i say it from front of these lying, thieving reporters, they're the worse. by the way, if i say it, and it's wrong, they'll have a big headline. in the history of the country there's never been anything like this. the republicans were not doing exactly well. we had stiffs like mitt romney running for office who failed so badly. who, by the way, that should have been an easy election. we're running against a failed president, and he fails to show up. the last month, what happened to him. he failed to show up and he got creamed. he got beaten badly. sadly, but he got beaten badly. we have millions of people -- get out of here. get out of
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