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msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons. into a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. "lockup raw." >> how are you all doing? i hope you're enjoying this overcast, cloudy day. >> catch that dove over there. ain't that mother [ bleep ]. >> it prides itself as america's toughest jail. >> pillows so they either use extra blankets or toilet paper rolled up in a sheet. >> but we went behind the
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headlines to find stories that ranged from the unexpected -- >> my ears were an inch. when i'm done i'll be at three or four with left tarantulas in my ears. >> to horrifying. >> what did you do that you would consider torture? >> ripped his teeth out. that's my favorite. >> and at the center of this most unusual jail is rough america's most controversial figures. >> they hate the place. that's music to my ears. >> when we decided to shoot "lockup: extended stay" at maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona, we knew we were going to a place most of america had heard about. a controversial jail with a controversial sheriff. our approach was to embed our crew for four months. really spend a lot of time to tell the true story of america's toughest jail.
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>> on any given day there are more than 9,000 male and female inmates incarcerated at maricopa. most have not been convicted of the crimes with which they've been charged but are on or awaiting trial. they are housed in six different facilities. >> i would describe maricopa county jail as like no other jail i've ever seen before. first of all, the sheer volume of it is staggering. so just walking in there and figuring out who's important, how the systems work, even how you get through the doors, is a challenge. >> go to the westgate, see officer von rieden. >> the maricopa county jail has been the subject of more media attention than probably any other jail in america. in roast yeent it's been due to the county's policies toward illegal immigrants already before that, much of the
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coverage centered on its practices. such as constructing an outdoor housing facility with tents. the striped uniforms and pink underwear inmates are required to wear. and the use of chain gangs to perform everything from maintenance work to burying the indigent. behind it all is the man who has run the jail since 1992, sheriff joe arpaio. >> one of my philosophies is you should never live better in jail than you do on the outside. >> you purposefully want your jails to be tough, correct? >> well, i sure don't want it to be a hilton hotel like some other prisons around the nation. all this rehabilitation, education. we have all that in our jails that nobody talks about. but we punish our children, take away certain things from them, privileges. why can't we punish people that committed crimes and take away their privileges? >> there's probably not another
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law enforcement figure in america as famous or as well covered as sheriff joe arpaio. so i had had some idea about who he was before i went in. but about you actually meet him, it's a really interesting experience. >> so what is this? a little introduction? >> 78 years old. he can sit down and talk with you for two hours straight and he could have done 20 hours straight. he is passionate about his position and about his beliefs. and he likes to talk about them. >> why does your message resonate? you win your elections pretty handily, right? >> uh-huh, yeah. 1992 i made a promise to the people i would be a very active sheriff. i don't play golf, i don't fish, i have no hobbies. i just work 14 hours a day. and then i'm not afraid to talk to the media. >> people joke he never met a camera he didn't like. but he explained pretty well to
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me how he didn't believe that was the case. in fact, he thought the opposite was true. >> i didn't call you guys, you guys called us. so i'm the publicity hound? but you know why i'm talking to you? i'm getting my message across. i won't be a fluff story. it won't be a nice story. but that's okay. >> he really wants to talk about his policies and his beliefs. >> i took away their porno. took away their coffee. took away their salt. took away their cigarettes. i should be given the heart association award of the year. put them in pink underwear. they hate pink. at least around here. so you never give them a color they like. why would you give them things they like? they hate the place. that's music to my ears. and by the way, all my inmates on the chain bagain, i do gang,
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them in the desert chopping rocks. i put them on the streets. they pick up tornado, save taxpayers money. but the real reason, since i can't hire hollywood actors, i use my inmates as actors, as seconds. because when the cars drive by, with the mother and father, with the kid in the car, i hope they're saying w"see, honey, yo do something wrong, you're going to be on that chain gang wearing pink underwear in striped uniforms." maybe that kid will they hanevet that. i don't run a cia operation in the jails. you, anybody, can go in those jails, talk to any inmate you want. let them say they hate me, i don't care. i have nothing to hide. >> this place sucks, man. >> i'm walking through the famous tent city which in some
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ways is what sheriff joe arpaio's jails are known for. inmates living outdoors in the heat, in these tents. and i meet dustin crawford. >> catch that dove over there and eat that mother [ bleep ]. seriously. i'd rip out his breast, man. put that right on a [ bleep ]. dead serious, dude. >> one of the things that was interesting about dustin crawford is he had a unique take on one of sheriff joe's famous lines. >> our men and women are fighting for our country. and they're living in tents. and they never committed a crime. so i tell all these detractors to shut their mouth and don't keep criticizing our tent operation. >> well, dustin had just returned from iraq. and he provided an interesting counter narrative. >> i was just in iraq about three weeks ago. and it's a lot easier than it is here. as far as -- i mean, that sign
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right there ain't true. soldiers do eat steak and lobster on fridays in iraq. you know? when you're in iraq, it sucks because you're in a combat zone and stuff. but when you're not, you're being treated like a [ bleep ] respectable soldier. you eat good, you get to sleep with the proper equipment you need, you know. i mean, you're taken care of as a humane person. even p.o.w.s get treated better than these guys are here. i mean, these guys don't get fed good at all. there's rats running around. i mean, they wake you up every 30 minutes and toss your [ bleep ]. it's no reason for it. >> my philosophy is to make it tough so that the people that serve time learn a lesson. with the theory of, maybe they will never come back. >> we don't have the electric fence on, do we? >> no, sir. >> i go in the tents quite frequently. >> how you guys doing? >> so when we walked through the jail facilities with sheriff joe, one of the things that sticks out is his verbal jousting with the inmates.
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it's nonstop. they got something to say to him, and he's always got a retort right back at them. >> it's hot here? you ought to come here in the summer. >> and it's pretty amusing to watch. >> want me to run for governor? >> actually, it's not up to me, it would be up to the people and the voters of this state. >> i'll put you in charge of our religious program. >> i don't think so. >> no? >> i'm sure i would find a way to the other side. >> joe for governor, joe for governor. >> spread it around. >> you're running on a democratic ticket. >> democratic ticket? this guy's pretty sharp. huh? you sure you're who you are? you're not an imposter? huh? >> absolutely sure. >> the inmates have this funny thing where they both despite him, but he's got kind of this celebrity status among them. and they all want him to signpost cards for them. and it's kind of like an exciting moment in their day when sheriff joe comes down.
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>> the slop. >> what's the slop? >> the dinner. the dinner that we get. >> that spaghetti and meatballs? >> yeah, probably not. >> no? >> so i did have to give them television. the judge many years ago said you have to have tv. never say what to show. so i decided what to show. i'm sure not going to show this series to them. so i show them the weather channel. the food channel. and c-span. really have to watch all these politicians. that's all they get. they're still getting television. >> and one of his latest innovations when we were there was this idea of this what he called a chair, actually an exercise bike, that would power the televisions. >> a lot of you guys are kind of fat. you need to lose some weight. >> i know. >> get me on a chain gang. >> i gained 20 pounds since i been here. >> okay. a lot of you guys need some exercise. you ever been on an exercise
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bike? >> yeah. >> you like that? >> yeah. >> can you do an hour at a shot? >> yeah. >> an hour at a shot? >> yeah. >> okay. >> he wanted the inmates to ride this bike in order to have the privilege of watching tv. >> we're going to hook the chair up to the television. here. and as you pump, you can watch television, and we're going to let you watch anything you want. you're going to work hard for the television. to lose weight and protect your heart. i think it's only right for you to be able to watch nbc, msnbc. >> channel 12? >> when sheriff joe described this idea i said, seemed frankly a little half baked. i wasn't sure that he was actually going to get it off the ground. but lo and behold, we go back and sheriff joe's got his exercise bike up and running.
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>> you've got to be innovative. see, i didn't become sheriff just to do the same thing. you look at these prisons, they're all the same thing. the food is great. a few riot once in a while. i've been doing this almost 18 years. where's all my riots? they riot everywhere. the pizza's cold, they riot. the tv. look at all the riots across the nation. how come i don't have a riot? i had one in tent city in 1996. so if you have a shortage of officers, all my tough programs, 50% hate the sheriff, where's my riots? are they too weak to riot? how come they're not rioting? coming up -- >> i mix it with the jelly. regular jelly package you get. it kind of makes like a gel. >> maricopa inmates learn to make do. >> hairstyle complete, just got to wait for it to dry.
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nothing at the maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona, is designed to bring comfort to the nip thousand inmates housed there. >> we don't issue them pillows so they either use extra blankets on are toilet paper rolled up in a sheet. >> but over the four months we shot "lockup: extended stay," we heard more complaints about the food than anything else. >> this [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. we need pizza, hot wings, grains, chit lines, we need all the good [ bleep ]. it get to hurting people. >> many of the inmates came up with their own culinary concoctions using snacks purchased from the commissary. >> tamales. >> micah butterfield, who was serving six months for possession of methamphetamine, showed us her recipe for corn nut minuto.
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>> corn nuts in water. let them soak. then you add hot jalapeno cheese. feel like i'm on a cooking show. then you take hot spicy pork rinds. you add it all together. once all of it's wet, you eat it. it's hot. spicy. see? that's minuto. looks nasty, huh? >> while it was a noble effort, i don't think this won anybody on the crew over. but she was trying to do her best with the tools available at the time. >> the same was true when it came to female inmates and makeup. while a few items such as mascara can be purchased from the commissary, most inmates
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choose to save the money on eye makeup and create their own. colored pencils were a popular alternative. but inmate susan huergo took things to a whole new level. >> all women have a morning ritual how they put themselves together to look their best. i thought it was really, really interesting how susan huergo would do her hair in the mornings. she would mix a packet of jelly with some cocoa butter and put it in her hair as hair gel. >> i'm going to go ahead and take the lotion and mix it with the jelly. regular jelly packet we get. 20 cents each. so that's going to be gel. i just mix it with the lotion. and put the jelly on with the lotion. and i rub my hands together. and it's really messy. but it's worth it. it just kind of makes a like a gel. >> i know women use avocado and
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things like that. to actually take a packet of grape jelly and put it in your hair was really, really surprising. >> this is like any gel. you're going to go like that and scrunch it to help it skrurchl. it's already starting to get sticky. so i know it's working already. >> who on earth would do something like this? but she laughed and she's like, you know, we have nothing else to use. and to be quite honest, my hair smells so good and i actually really enjoy it that this is probably something i'll do even after i get out of here. >> i just take this and scrunch out the extra jelly and lotion. and it helps it dry faster. >> her hair actually did smell really good. >> hairstyle complete, just got to wait for it to dry. >> there are so many things you take for granted when you're on the outside. and those things are such valued commodities within the jail. for joe watson, what meant more to him than anything else was
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lead for his pencils. >> these are probably the most valuable things in here to me, pencils. because i spend most of my time writing. that's what i do more than anything else. >> when we met joe watson, he was acting as his own lawyer in an attempt to avoid a maximum sentence after he was convicted for a series of armed robberies. >> i have to write motions, i have to write letters. these are like gold to me. unfortunately we don't get them very often. we either get them once a week or if i find a generous detention officer he'll give one to me. as you can see they're very small. just little golf pencils. they get dull very quickly. we might have to come up with ways to correct those problems. we can either maybe use a razor blade, a spare blade somebody has, to sharpen it up. or we can go under a seat like this and spend about 20 minutes scratching bored, make it sharp. >> the inmates are really ingenious about creating
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something out of very little. joe would essentially make these homemade mechanical pencils. really quite ingenious if you think about it. >> take a couple of pencils and stick them in a bottle of water and let them sit there for a couple of days. that oftens up the woodson you can split it apart and take the lead out. so after it's been sitting there for a couple of days you're going to be able to split it right down the middle. so what you end up with is something like this. split it apart. inside is your lead. take a full thing of lead like this and you have your mechanical pencil all ready. i have one here. and you can push it from the back out. and there i've got my pencil. and when i need more lead, just press it up like that. and then we use emory boards to sharpen it up. and this makes it nice and longer. a better grip. and there's your pencil. >> you have to soak pencils in water in order to do your legal
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briefs, and you're going up against a prosecutor who's got probably six pcs in his office? >> yeah. >> does seem like a slight disadvantage. >> this is a little bit of a disadvantage. but -- you know. when i win, i will have a hard-earned victory. i hope. >> watson's pencil defense did have some success. his prosecutor wanted 25 years. he was eventually sentenced to 12. but with good behavior and time served, he will be eligible for release in seven and a half years. coming up, one of the most colorful inmates at maricopa. >> this one of my daughter was the reason why i'm in here. and later, one of the most feared. >> she is the one in this whole jail creeps me out. >> rest assured, if somebody killed a [ bleep ] they had a reason to [ bleep ] do it. you need to be looking at the dead mother [ bleep ], not the
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the maricopa county jail in
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phoenix, arizona, houses inmates who have been charged or convicted of crimes ranging from unpaid parking tickets to capital murder. with more than 9,000 inmates there's an equal number of stories and personalities to be found here as well. >> my ears were an inch. when i'm done i'll be at three or four. with left tarantulas in my ears. >> we met robert nolan in tent city. >> most of my teat that times he to do with death or protection. protection from gargoyles to dragons. this one of my daughter is the reason why i'm in here. haven't paid none of my child support. this whole arm right here is pretty well all my brother's work. i'd have to actually lose my pants to show you some of my other ones. >> that's all right, we'll take your word for it. >> while nolan will serve his 90-day sentence in tent city, along with hundreds of other inmates who have been convicted of nonviolent crimes, most other maricopa inmates live in one of five different indoor
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facilities. and in one of those facilities, we came upon a high-security housing unit that was like nothing we had ever encountered before. >> when you enter the atree yeah jail facility, which is where the women are housed within the maricopa county jail system, the vast majority are incarcerated in dorm-like facilities. with the exception of a very small number of prisoners who are housed in a maximum security unit. >> lot adam 100 pod had space for 32 inmates, it held only four of maricopa's most infamous. >> i remember being briefed prior to going into the adam 100 pod. by one of the officers. about an evacuation plan if something went awry in there. >> there will be two officers present and myself also.
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i will be there with my taser drawn. >> in all the rest of maricopa county, including the special management unit of the maximum security men's jail, i had never been given a brief like that. this was the only time that we had had a contingency plan in case we were attacked by an inmate. >> basically, we're going to keep the door to our back so if there's any problems the cameraman will have to fall back, the two tension staff and myself will basically form an arc to protect the camera crew, and we'll do a tactical retreat out of the pod and secure the door. >> and the inmate that was the greatest concern to detention officers was angela simpson. >> simpson i think is very scary moment. coming up, behind the scenes of one of our most chilling interviews. >> and i had just laughed it off thinking it was a big joke. as she told her story i realized, well, maybe she wasn't joking.
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impression on both our crew and detention staff. her name is angela simpson. >> simpson i think is a very scary individual. she's probably the only one in there that i take every precaution in the world to make sure my staff and myself are safe. she is the one in this whole jail that creeps me out, for a better word. >> i was the first person on the crew to get introduced to angela simpson. and upon meeting her, the first things that came out of her mouth when i approached her, she pretty much told me to go "f" myself. for somebody to be "go f yourself," all right. welcome to jail. >> simpson is a very scary person. she is just by the nature of her crimes and the way that she has been here and just her mannerism and that, she just doesn't seem to have a lot of those inhibition controls that most people would. and because of that, she can be very much a threat to staff.
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so we have to keep her at a very controlled setting. >> simpson was accused of kidnapping, torturing, and murdering a man she believed to be a police informant. she is then said to have dismembered the corpse, set it on fire, and to have thrown the remains in a dumpster. in court she had proclaimed her innocence. but spoke openly about the alleged crime to us. >> the media says you did some pretty heinous things. that bug you? >> does it bug me? what people say? no. my give a [ bleep ] is broke. i really have no concern for what people think. >> i have to say i have never met an inmate who made me so uncomfortable. >> what did you do that you would consider torture? >> ripped his teeth out. that's my favorite. >> how'd you do that? >> needle nose pliers. kind of ripped, you know. >> the visceral descriptions that she gave of her crime, of
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torturing an individual and dismemberi ining her victim, i never heard anybody describe anything like that and i had certainly never heard anybody describe it with such glee. >> so it was your pleasure when you committed this murder? >> see, that's kind of [ bleep ]ed up. thinking i don't know what my lawyer would say if i answered that straight out. hold on, yes. yes, it was. but -- yeah. >> it was really extraordinarily disturbing. i still think about it. >> it's pretty rewarding work. it's great for the soul. >> what were you trying to get out of it? >> he thought it was funny that the people he had snitched on would never get out of prison. so i wanted him to know how funny it was that they didn't need to. >> i guess the strange thing for me was, during the whole interview, i was two feet from her. i was holding a reflector to try to block some stray light. and as she's telling these stories -- >> can you describe to me the things you did?
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>> no. no, because then i'll get all excited and he'll be in trouble. no i don't think i should do that. >> him being jake? >> yeah, yeah, he's too close for me to get all hot with the stories. so leave that alone. >> and i just laughed it off thinking it was this big joke. as she told her story, i realized, well -- maybe she wasn't joking. >> is it hard to chop up a human body? >> nah. not really. you'd be amazed. it's quite simple, actually. you should try it. it's only a felony six. knock it down to a misdemeanor. dismemberment, it's a really low charge. >> sometimes it seemed like she was playing a game. and then other times you could tell that it was a game anymore. but she was reciting something that she actually, you know -- something that she liked to talk about. every now and then i would pop in and just go talk to angela, check in with her. a lot of times she would just be sitting there drawing. and she would always be in a
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zen-like state. just very calm while she was sitting here doing her drawings. she told me she'd done some drawings for some christmas cards and i was expecting to see, you know, something happy or light, for some reason, i don't know why. these drawings ended up being probably some of the most graphic things i've ever seen. >> this was my first officer down picture. just in my officer down series. >> your officer down series, tell me about that. >> five or six officer downs. >> what's happening in this picture? >> a cop has been captured and we're having fun with him. it's just a christmas card. they get uncomfortable when they find these things. >> when i saw angela's drawings, they were so disturbing. and they really got to this deep, deep, deep-seated hatred that she seems to have for police officers. >> use their authority in any [ bleep ] way they want to because they [ bleep ] can. and there's nothing anybody can [ bleep ] do about it. >> simpson went on to explain how she ranks those she considers to be the lowest of
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the lows. >> child molesters are definitely the worst creatures on the planet. snitches then would come in second. then cops. would be third. yeah. >> how about people who murder other people? >> what about them? >> where do they fall? >> in where? >> in your hierarchy. >> of badness? they don't. you want to throw murderers in with cops and child molesters, are you serious? you're kidding, right? you can't put murderers in a category with [ bleep ]ed up people. that doesn't make any sense. rest assured, if somebody killed a [ bleep ], they had a reason to [ bleep ] kill it. you need to be looking at the dead mother [ bleep ], not the mother [ bleep ] that killed it. >> do you have any guilt about any of that stuff? >> guilt, yes. i'm overrun with remorse.
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hee hee hee! justice. justice is lovely. what are you thinking? when i said justice is lovely, what were you thinking? >> i was thinking -- how you'll feel about justice if they give you the death penalty. >> that's exactly what i knew you were thinking. i'll be thinking the same thing. >> that justice is beautiful? >> justice is lovely. coming up -- >> this is my entourage. >> arguably she's maricopa's most magnetic inmate. >> she runs schemes, runs games, tends to become a controller of a pod what we call pod boss. she's just a game player. >> you've never had a colon cleanse? wow. a lot of the girls in hollywood do. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece
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during our shoot at the maricopa county jail in phoenix, we interviewed roughly 150 inmates. but few stood out as more of a force of nature than kelly m'naghten. >> i've got beer made, it's all hidden somewhere. got like 30 cigarettes up the -- yeah. it's a party. it's a party. >> do you want to see this seal? all right, here's a seal. you totally did that up my nose. you did, right up my nose. >> one of the things that was so striking about kelly m'naghten is she always seemed to have
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this entourage of the prettiest girls in the jail with her. >> this is my entourage, yeah. i have two blonds thatly get real stressed out, jackie and -- courtney -- i just call them the blond [ bleep ]. i lay between them when i get real stressed out and hold their hands and i tell them all about my problems and whatever. they just sit there and look beautiful. >> these women would do all of these things for her. they would make her bed. they would give her honey buns. they were constantly doing her favors. and it was hard to ever ascertain why, what her magnetism, what her popularity was all about. but everyone knew her. >> m'naghten had pled not guilty to charges of theft and trafficking in stolen property. but it was her behavior inside the jail that made an impression on staff. >> kelly m'naghten is what i would like to call my own personal phrase, a professional inmate at this point in her life. she runs schemes, runs games.
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tends to become a controller of a pod what we call pod boss. she's just a game player. >> she had given hers her own pick name. >> mcnaughty. >> and i think it stuck. not because she gave to it herself, because it was totally appropriate. she was involved in every sort of drama. >> for us, we know that something's going on somewhere, m'naghten's fingers are probably in it. >> i make the best hoop. hooch. >> i want more. >> tattoos is my best thing. because i give the best tattoos. out of everybody. stringing eyebrows. i wanted to do to essta advertise school when i get out of here. i'm like the best eyebrow stringer, if you've noticed, my eyebrows are very nice. that's my work. >> there's no money within the jails. money is considered contraband.
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so inmates constantly use a barter system in order to get things they want. whether that be food or somebody to do a favor for them. they call these hustles. m'naghten had one of the craziest hustles i've ever heard of. >> i've given most of the girls in that dorm an enema. >> are you ready for one? >> yeah. >> okay. >> people in hollywood do it all the time. the models do. they get colon cleanses all the time. and doctors get paid high charges for colon cleanses. you've never had a colon cleanse? wow. a lot of the girls in hollywood do. >> the other day it was 54. today you walked in, i'd just gotten done doing one, 55. this is a hair conditioner bottle. that we empty and whatever. and then hot water and shampoo. first of all, you go to medical, you have to pay $10 to get a
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suppository. you come to me, you only have to give a honey bun, know what i mean? >> my original thing i tell them is you lose three to five pounds. the food here, you gain weight, i gained 50 pounds. i came in 128, i'm 180 right now. >> nicole meacham had been asking for m'naghten's special brand of help for several weeks. now she was in luck. >> i'll do you for free today. >> thanks. >> okay. it's on the house. what's your name? >> nicole. >> okay. it's not a hustle. i care about people. i genuinely care about people. >> seems like a lot of the shampoo and it is. >> i'm sure you know what you're doing, kelly. >> i accept tips. some girls have given me, oh my god, thank you so much. given me stuff because it really helped them out. >> okay, you ready? we're going in, let's go. let's go. did it help? >> yes, did it. >> so people should stop giving
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me a hard time? >> yes. >> yes, because i'm doing a service here. i'm here only to help. >> she sure does help. >> she loved it. coming up -- >> this is the wild, wild west. >> more of the unusual personalities we found in maricopa county. >> officer solomon, you've got that voice and face for radio. get it, face for radio? get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com. become a member of experian credit tracker and take charge of your score.
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smugger. and you? rubbery buttons. enter the x1 voice remote. now when someone says... show me funny movies. watch discovery. record this. voila. remotes you are back. the x1 voice remote is here. x1 customers get your voice remote by visiting xfinty.com/voiceremote. during our extended stay at the maricopa county jail, there was no end to the lineup of interesting people we met. >> yeah, you guys are cool, man. that's why i've been talking to you lately because you guys are pretty cool. i would probably hang out with you guys maybe. how much money do you guys have in your wallets? >> the long days of shooting could sometimes take a toll on our crew. >> one of the small blupleasure that we have is break the crew for lunch and we'll go walk outside into the sunlight for an
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hour or so. and we'll grab lunch. there was this one particular deli outside of the fourth avenue jail that we went to a lot. one of the women who made our sandwiches actually did so carrying a piston businespistol >> thank you, sir. enjoy your lunch. >> this isn't something you see often when you're at subway or some deli. sandwich artist with a glock with a 15-round magazine in it. >> can i get a factory special, please. >> sure thing. lettuce, tomato and onion on it? >> yeah, everything. >> why do you carry when you're making sandwiches? >> this is a right to carry state. so as long as you're not a convicted felon or a domestic abuser of any sort, you have the right to carry on your hip at any and all times, including work. >> there's a little bit of a cultural adjustment when you get to arizona that you realize, wow, this is a place where people carry guns.
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even the counter girl at the sandwich shop. >> you never know what creatures are lurking around the corner. this is the wild, wild west. >> back inside the jail, another tradition from the old west was taking place. >> the dynamic between the detention officers and the inmates is interesting. >> the magic houdini. >> one officer in particular, officer fuelator, had an interesting way of staying engaged with the inmates. he played cards with them. >> shuffle the cards ow, lay them out on the table, i tell them which card to pick. they pick the card, they get whatever prize i select for them. >> sometimes it's food, sometimes it's extra milk. >> if they don't want it then they have to be quiet and leave me alone for the day. >> he's lying, he's lying. we don't cut him no slack. >> you first? >> yeah.
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>> six. >> ha ha! thanks. >> you got it. camera a camera's on now so i'm going to lose every hand, watch. >> it was perfectly within the rules. >> 7. pay the man. >> it was his way of sort of understanding the pulse of the pod. >> 9. 9? use the force, use the force. >> yes, sir. >> 9! >> anyone that comes in, shows us respect, we're going to give them respect back. we got officers in here who are for lack of a better word, [ bleep ] pigs, know what i mean? officers like him, a fair officer, any time we get an officer like that we're going to give him respect back, because he makes our day easier, so we make his day easier, you know what i mean? it's give and take. >> all right, gentlemen.
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>> but life at maricopa wasn't all fun and games, as one resident of tent city so eloquently explained. >> you really need smell-o-vision. i think the smell is actually pumped and canned and then it's released in a small area in a field downwind so it breezes over us. >> i'm sitting there in tent city and i'm interviewing this inmate named john harrington who's ranting and ranting about the deplorable conditions in the jail. in fact, at one point he wanted me to sample the water to see, i don't know how alkaline it tasted or something. >> have some of that taste that, tell me what you think of that. >> tastes like water. >> tastes like water, really? what a guy what a guy. >> they always want me to try the food, taste the water, you know. to share their pain. >> by the way, that water's tasting worse and worse. >> can somebody get him a fresh glass of water? he would love some more.
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>> how are you all doing? >> then over the public address system you hear this voice. >> it's officer solomon with you. i hope you're enjoying this cloudy, overcast day. high temperatures only going to be about 65 degrees -- >> hey, wait a minute, wait a minute. you got to get this. please get this in. >> now calling for the st. joseph the worker class. finding out more about st. joseph the worker, job opportunities, housing opportunities that are available to you, go ahead and meet me in the program's classroom for st. joseph the worker. >> instantly harrington's laughing. i'm wondering, who is this guy? >> i'm officer solomon. i'm the program coordinator here for tent city. okay, come on up, guys. >> officer solomon had this radio voice. so when we first met him and he started talking to us, we were all thinking like, this guy must have done something in radio. and he actually did.
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>> many people, of course, ask me when they hear my voice, officer solomon, you've got that voice and face for radio. get it? face for radio? anyway. yes, i was in radio. for many years. and did a little tv. did a little radio. loved it. but as i would sit in the studio, you know, and as i would be front selling and back selling songs, that was the latest by def leppard, coming up around the corner got a little docken, a little ratt, and more of your requests coming up with me the big g. it was fun. a fun life, it was great. you know, i loved walking in the store, hey, big g! how you doing! it was a lot of fun. but i said, is this my life? >> you guys coming for the st. joseph the worker class? >> is this my life? front and back selling rock 'n' roll songs? and taking requests? all righty, come on in come on in. i wanted something more, i wanted something where i was helping people.
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and i wanted to go kind of where the action was. to really help people. where else to do that than in the jails? >> gentlemen, listen up here just really quick. i need to have you guys come up row by row. and it's very important that you put your name on both of these rosters. okay? we don't want anybody to be missing from head count now do we? >> wearing civilian clothes, shirt and a tie. but i am an officer. i'll have some inmates who ka gnaw who i was on the outside. i've had inmates say, hey, big g. i have had that happen to me. that's always a lot of fun. and it's really a scene when i make announcements. >> good afternoon, gentlemen, how are you all doing today? it's officer solomon here with you on a beautiful, bright, and sunshiny wednesday afternoon. >> i used to do the weather. i was a weatherman in radio. and occasion ly to spice things up a little bit, you know, i'll throw in a little weather report for the day. >> chance of some rainy skies
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tonight but tomorrow and on to the three-day forecast you're looking at sunshiny skies. high temperatures are going to remain comfortably in the lower to mid-70s. >> it kind of makes their day a little more interesting, makes my day of course a little more interesting, livens things up a little bit. which they react really well to. because their life here in jail is so much about routines. >> i think the inmates thought his announcements were kind of corny. but they all actually really respected him because he was such a nice guy. >> doing all right? when do you get out? >> 15th of april. >> oh yeah? oh, you're out of here, yeah. you're out of here quickly. >> that there's no reason for them to ever talk bad about him at all. >> good afternoon, gentlemen, how are you all doing today? >> they'd make jokes, make fun of him. but no one ever really did anything disrespectful to him. >> thanks, guys.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. "lockup raw." >> prison might be hell. but for some, it is especially so. >> i wouldn't last five minutes on a main line. >> why? >> well, they don't like cops. >> for the first time offender. >> they ask me who i run with? i run with teachers and librarians usually.

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