99.1. our thanks for al hunt for sitting in, john helemann out on the road. thanks for watching. >> coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." dump trump hits bump. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the dump trumpers are now out in force. unfortunately for them, they have no idea how to do it. mitt romney, who backed john kasich in ohio, now says he'll vote for cruz in utah. cruz says kasich has to quit, or the game is over. kasich says he won't take vp from trump, or hillary. then refused to say which he would like least. i just caught up with the ohio governor out in utah, where he is trying to win the caucuses

this tuesday. >> thank you for joining us tonight, governor kasich. >> thank you, chris. >> there are now just three candidates in the republican party right now. donald trump, ted cruz, and you. today, mitt romney, the nominee last time who campaigned for you in ohio last week, said today he'll vote for ted cruz in the utah caucuses. he said i like governor john kasich, i've campaigned with him. he has a solid record as governor. i would have voted for him in ohio. but i vote for a governor kasich in future contests make it extremely likely trumpism would prevail. what is your reaction to that news today? >> well, i don't agree with that. and you know, by the way, i'm running for president, because i have first of all the best resume and record, and secondly, i'm the only one of the three that can win a general election and beat hillary clinton. so we just put one foot in front of the other and keep moving, and you know, i campaigned with mitt, i like mitt, and it's a place where we disagree. >> let's try to figure out what

ted cruz is up to. first of all, there was going to be a three way debate this coming monday, a fox debate. of course, trump pulled out and then you did. why didn't you stay in the debate and take on ted cruz mono o mono. >> because i think, chris, there is three of us, and we ought to have all three in the debate. take the front-runner and move him out doesn't make any sense. i can be in a position of campaign in a much more retail way, which i'm very happy to do. >> you mean you would rather be out in utah than a debate studio somewhere. >> i think this is, look, if trump wants a d he bait, i'll be there. if he doesn't, you got three people. it shouldn't be two of the three. it's the way it ought to be worked out. i'll spend this time doing what i consider to be productive. >> ted cruz is calling for you to drop out. he says you're hurting the chances to stop donald trump. i'm sure you're familiar with this, but let's listen.

>> i con grat legratulate john for winning his home state, but if you don't have a clear path to winning, it doesn't make sense to stay in the race. i would note, everyday he stays in, benefits donald trump. >> what about this stop donald trump thing? i caught it all the time. i heard it from pat buchanan, richard nixon once said if you heard a stop x movement, bet on x. i don't know what a stop movement ends up looking like? what does this mean, you're going to team up, i assume he wants to be on top of it and somehow that's going to marshall enough support to get trump off the momentum. >> nobody is going to get to the convention in my judgment with enough delegates. then we'll pick the nominee through the process. i mean, just because you don't have somebody that has enough delegates doesn't mean you don't have the process. that's why you have convention. so the convention will sit down and they'll decide who can win in the fall. and who has the record and who could run the country.

it's just a big national story today, we go to a convention, they're likely to turn to me because of the ability to win and bring people together. so look, i understand. i just don't think anybody is going to get there with enough delegates, and so we'll ultimately have somebody chosen for the delegate whose will represent the republican party. everybody just needs to calm down. >> well, you know, you're talking about the republican party, maybe the democratic party of the 194s or early, but ever since the '50s, nobody is used to the idea of the candidate with the most delegates not winning. the guy coming in or woman coming into the convention is expected to win. trump says there will be riots if he doesn't get the nomination, if he has the most delegates. >> well, that's irresponsible statement, you know. i was there in 1976, when ronald reagan challenge would gerald ford. i was a young man and it was a hard fight. at the end, the convention came together. reagan didn't win and ford did.

at the end of the day, it's a very serious process. these delegates take it very seriously. i know, because i work to get delegates to support ronald reagan. it will be a great speerps. it will be good forexperience. it will be good for our country. >> you could imagine the situation, because you're still in the race, trump is a couple of votes shy, couple shun shy, he doesn't get the gimme. basically since the 40s, '40s, i guess, and you have number of ballots, at the end, you win. that's your scenario? >> yeah i mean unless he is close, maybe he'll -- maybe he'll get the delegates. but look, chris, at the end of the day, what's most important for me is i'm running for president, because i have a record of success, a record of achievement a record of creating an even virement for job growth, pulling people together, and the convention is just another vehicle that a political party

uses to decide who they want to have as the standard bearer. i'm very comfortable with that. i don't think anybody will get there. by the way, you know, for these people to say i should drop out, you know, they've been calling me for that for weeks, a lot of the establishment people, if i dropped out, trump would have the nomination, he would have won ohio. it's just talk, political talk. that's what makes it interesting. >> what about glenn beck, he is one of the people you're talking about, chattering out there. he has accused of you putting the well-being of the country at risk by staying in the race. here is the inevitable glenn beck. >> kasich, i mean, excuse me language, but you son of a bithh. the repub lilic is at state. this is not a normal rails. the republic is at stake. >> well, glenn beck is not usually on my dance card, so i'm not going to vouch for him.

what do you make of these people, talking like you're the trouble when in fact, you've got the resume? you've got the qualifications. somehow, ted cruz and his troop have decided that you're the problem, not donald trump? >> i'm not going to respond to that kind of vulgarity, personal attack directed at me. that's just out of bounds. >> okay, let's talk substance for a minute. they picked up the last, one of the real key players actually in a terrible november bombings in paris up in belgium in that area, a refuge for the terrorists. what does that tell us about the fight against international attacks by isis? >> well, you know, chris, what it brings to mind is the fact that when the intelligence community works with the local law enforcement, we can have success, which brings up the notion of really good intelligence. particularly, human intelligence. everybody working together. that's why we have to work

together so carefully in terms of those people who may be migrating from places, you know, who joined isis or who went to countries that are really, really problem areas. we need to know who they are. we need to know what they're doing. it shows that when law enforcement and intelligence community can work together effectively, we can have good results. >> how about the relationships among countries? we had a terrible period back during and after the iraq war, where we were told to eat freedom fries, not french fries, because we're so hostile to the french for not backing us in the iraq war. how do you bring the countries together? what brings us together that didn't bring us together in the last war. >> self-interests. i think now, clearly, people understand that radical islam is a problem. all the countries in the middle

east, the ee ggyptians, when we look at france, great britain or germany, the crisis we see with migrants, what we see happening in belgium, we now begin to see an opportunity to bring people together. and this idea of calling names and all that, really doesn't make sense when it relates to international affairs. and if you have a problem with the country, most of the time, nearly all of the time, you express those concerns privately, not in front of a television camera. >> let's talk about cuba. the president is making history for going to havana. would you have done that, if you were the president right now? >> no, i wouldn't, chris. i think it's too much we give and they take. i would like to see them give. release these political prisoners, you know. they released some when the pope came and then put them back in jail. they have to make steps forward as far as i'm concerned as to how we treat cuba. >> last question, may hit you as a novelty, under pressure and

fighting for the presidency. should the situation develop differently in your hopes and scenario, and hillary clinton gets the democratic nomination, which looks likely right now and your party has trump and hillary comes to you and says governor, i would like to form a unity ticket, vice-president to you. >> that's my answer. that's not going to happen. >> suppose trump says -- >> we'll be fine. >> i have to push you as you laugh. if trump is the nominee, would you accept a part of the ticket? would you go on the ticket with him? >> under no circumstances. zero. no chance. >> what would be worst, you with hillary or you with trump? what would you like least? >> i would have to reflect on that. >> okay, well, i'll give you sometime. that's a take home. thank you very much. >> good question. there you go. all right, chris, thank you. >> governor john kasich, out in utah. >> all right. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. coming up, inside the republican to stop trump at the convention in cleveland.

new information tonight about what the party types are thinking of doing if trump doesn't have the delegates needs to win the nomination out right. plus, bernie sanders says he is not going any where. he is vowing to fight on. but with hillary clinton tightening her grip, what does he get staying in the race. a big war on belgium police, captured the fugitive in the paris attacks. latest tonight. conservatives say they want a unity ticket to stop donald trump, but what if hillary clinton named a republican running mate in an effort to unify the country. unpreside unprecedented move, but could it be the ticket that keeps trump out of the white house. this is "hardball," the place for politics.

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52 points, trump 64, cruz, 12. democratic side, former new york senator hillary clinton also holds the lead, 71% of the vote to 23% for bernie sanders. we'll be right back.

welcome back to "hardball," with the big news, mitt romney's announcement he'll vote for ted cruz in utah. donald trump has responded via twitter, quote, failed presidential candidate mitt romney, the man who choked, and let us all down now endorsesing lying ted cruz. this is good for me. mixed up man who doesn't have a clue. no wonner he lost. romney has made clear his number one goal was to stop donald trump, of course, even if it means fighting it out at the convention. politico says if they try to

grab the nomination from trump at the convention, there could be open warfare, quote, you're going to push the big red button and blow up the party at least in the short time. it's asinine. it really is. i'm joined by paul singer and jane. first of all, you're out there report, so report. what is there, a cohesive group of people who actually have a conceivable plan to deny trump if he is short by 100 or 200 delegates. >> there is a stop trump, they're not very unified, and this has always been the establishment's problem from the get go. if they were unified, picked one candidate to go against him, they wouldn't be in this position to begin with and having the same problem now. you still have kasich and cruz. you is it i will have, you know, people who say it should be another candidate altogether. some other guy that's going to parachute at the 11th hour. until they get on the same page,

they're never going to be effectively stop donald trump, which is why they're not being effective stopping donald trump. >> they're not giving out the nobel peace prize. they would rather have no nominee, because they're so negative on trump, they have no counter balancing hope. >> look, i ran a story today about some of the things donald trump has said over the past decade that are not republican positions. he is pro gay march ridriage. they don't believe he is a republican, and he believes the things they believe. the problem is, people are voting for him. if they pull one of these in the convention, they're going to have to turn around to their grass root supporters, you guys got it wrong, let us pick the nominee. >> one of the organizers of the group, eric erickson, here he is. >> strong coalition of looking at going to the existing

candidates, kasich, cruz, saying you need to cut a deal, find a unity ticket within the republican party, fall back option would be a third party, the consensus is everyone would rather settle this on the convention floor. >> mike huckabee who dropped out last month said that would hand the election to hillary clinton. and destroy the republican party. what eric ericson just said. >> i thought we had voters. i thought that's what we do. i wanted to be the nominee, but guess what, i'm not. i'm not going to start a third party. i'm not going to blow up the republican party, because i didn't get my way. i accept that in an election, voters get to make the decision. >> this is so crazy, jay, because in the first debate, the reagan library, they asked will you all support the nominee of the party. the only one that wouldn't was donald trump, now anybody but trump is talking about dumping the nominee. >> if you could parachute

somebody in at the 11th hour, lindsey graham said he would leave the party if that happened. it would blow up the party. so much tour mill, trying to union night the party, and that's the month you're supposed to be running against hillary clinton. they would try to get their own base back, right. >> lindsey is going to leave, i'm leaving. >> our colleague here interviewed 19 of the 56 rules committee, most of those members say they opposed any rule change that would allow a new candidate like paul ryan to emerge at the convention. one person said change the rules drastically, you'll have a problem. world war and destroy the party. here's the question. i think like kasich, but when start talking about bringing in somebody, this third or fourth ballot, the 1940s, most recently, because ever since '52, the person coming in won. >> yes. >> and they won on the first ballot, even the gerry ford and

reagan. >> are you going to pick somebody who has gotten no votes from the republican voters. >> didn't even contest it? didn't try to get any votes. >> elector al college trying to pick a new guy. >> let's talk about it from the democratic point of view. if you are a progressive, democratic, what do you want to happen? >> what do you want to happen in the republican party. >> for them, it's a win/win scenario. if donald trump is the nominee, then he drives out democrats enormously. he drives out the base. but he also reimagines the map. the electoral map is re-drawn and you don't know whether pennsylvania is in play or your home state or other places. but if cruz is the nominee, that's even better for you, because he is only going to be in play in the same old republican states in 2012 and bound not do as well as mitt romney. >> we all know what will happen, if trump is the nominee, a lot of people sitting on their hands

at the convention. i mean, sitting on their hands like this. no clapping. like nixon made sure pat never clapped for goldwater. all the women, women, i say women who read the paper in the subur suburbs, he is the enemy for everything i stand for. i'm voting against this guy. but the work and angry white guy, working class guy who has been waiting for this chance to snack the system, goes, the only question how does it balance out? >> imagine for the democrats watches this, imagine there a challenge to donald trump and you have the voter in the streets kicking up dust, and then you have the black lives matters who you know will be in cleveland, because they're there any way, kicking up dust. >> they're not going to defend trump. >> but you have the clash in the streets, arguments. >> you're amazing. you have the black lives matter people who have been waiting to

protest trump. >> what are we going to do now? >> they'll sit back and watch it and say cleveland is the chaos the republicans are offering you. >> unbelievable. >> you are an imaginative guy. i never thought that. we've got three armies changing sides. >> whatever it is. >> seattle, you know, trade protests all over again, total. >> thank you for joining us. four months later, a key suspect last november is caught in belgium today. latest details, what it means for the case and the fight against terror worldwide. "hardball" back after this. with the tiger image, the saliva coming off and you got this turning. that's why i need this kind of resolution and computing power. being able to use a pen like this. on the screen directly with the image. it just gives me a different relationship to it. and i can't do that on my mac.

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november. he evaded law enforcement and returned to brussels in the immediate aftermath of that attack. it comes after authorities say they found his fip gngerprints,o additional suspects remain at large. joined now by richard engle and terror analyst. richard, give me a sense of how this guy got away from the terrible attack from november in paris, after 130 were killed. how he got away, supposed to commit suicide and all that. how long it took, and why so long to catch the guy. >> well, how we got away is he didn't go through with his attack. he was never supposed to have survived the paris attacks. the other attackers died while fighting against counter terrorism police, killing innocent people or detonating suicide vests. he had a suicide vest. he chose to dump it, and escape

and was seen driving across the border, leaving france entering belgium. so he got away when there was still an opportunity for him to get away. why it took four months, critics will say it shouldn't have taken four months. because in the end, he went right back to where it all began. he went back to the molenbeek area, he met the master mind of the attack. and he went back to the place where he had contacts and friends. and i think it also shows how isolated he had become. isis wasn't talking about him any more. if you were an isis commander, you are not supposed to survive. he couldn't go to syria or iraq, and join the community of isis fighters again. he had to go back to the place that he knew.

and perhaps, it shouldn't have taken four months, but it did, and finding individuals is actually hard, even if you think you know where to cook. >> what does this tell us about a man without a country and what does it do? does it hurt isis to have them barsment who was supposed to be a suicide killer. >> i don't think it will be an embarrassment. eight of the attackers carried out their plan, killed over 130 people. in the grand scheme of things, if isis indeed orchestrated and directed the attack, it was a pretty major success in the heart of france in a western country that is part of the coalition to combat iraq and syria. but i think that isis will be pretty silent and they will not mention him in my opinion, if you ask me, unless some isis supporters talk about him in the sense of lionizing, after helping his brothers or comrades in action earlier.

>> let's talk about intelligence gathering. back to you, richard. what can you squeeze out of a guy has nowhere to go? does that allow the belgium and french authorities to get the whole networking of this terror group? >> it probably does. i think he of all of the isis types is probably one who is more likely to cooperate. he doesn't have a whole lot to lose. even his own family was divided about the issue of isis. there was one brother, one of his brothers, who carried out a suicide attack, was part of the paris attacks. he was supposed to be part of the attacks and allegedly drove some of the suicide attackers to france, but then choose not to do it. one of his other brothers went on television calling on him to turn himself in. so now that he has been

captured, you know probably hasn't been going outside for the last several months, or staying in the confines of a couple of brussels neighborhoods, we'll fiend out more exactly as he does talk where he has been. one would expect that he doesn't have much to lose. why wouldn't he talk? most people, once they're arrested, do talk. >> here is the tough question. it may sound uncivil. but if you have a population living within the borders belgium protecting guys like this, don't have you a problem with the building of a neighborhood, notorious for having so many terrorists live there, but refusing to go in and clean it out. why, it just seems to me, something that's become uncontrollable about the terrorist threat, and don't do anything about it to the point the guy could live there safely for four months, after the horrible attack in paris.

>> you know, look, this is somewhat of a problem not only in belgium, but across a number of european countries, including france and germany and other countries, where some part of the population is left, i don't want to say ungoverned, but pretty much marginalized and services that are provided to the rest of saturdociety adequa level. in the grand scheme of things, i won't blame the authorities in the infestation. the authorities have had their eyes on that neighborhood for a very long time. well before the paris attacks. it is very difficult to be able to sift through the intelligence and zoom in on certain areas instead of actually taking a whole neighborhood down. >> well, we'll see. i think that's the kind of question europe will be asking that question for the rest of our lives. up next, democratic showdown, hillary clinton marching toward the nomination,

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we're moving west where we think the terrain favors us. west coast is probably most progressive region of the united states of america. perhaps winning california, state of washington, oregon, many of the smaller states, and winning new york state. we think if we come into the convention in july in philadelphia, having won a whole lot of delegates, having a whole lot of momentum behind us, and most importantly, perhaps, being the candidate who is most likely

to defeat donald trump. we think that some of these super delegates who have now supported hillary clinton can come over to us. >> welcome back to "hardball," that was bernie sanders last night, telling rachel maddow he could take the fight all the way to the convention in philadelphia, where he hoped super delegates would abandon secretary clinton for him. president obama thinks it's time to rally behind clinton. "the new york times" reported yesterday, president obama privately told a group of donors last friday that bernie sanders in vermont was nearing the point at which campaign against hillary clinton would end, and that the party must soon come together to back her. white house press secretary josh earnest had this to say about "the new york times" report at his briefing yesterday. >> president obama made a case that would be familiar to all of

you. which is that as democrats move through this competitive primary process, we need to be mindful of the fact that our success in november in electing a democratic president will depend on the commitment and ability of the democratic party to come together behind our nominee. the president did not indicate or specify a preference in the race. >> well, sanders himself also reacted. here he is. >> well, i don't want to speculate on what he said or what he didn't say. in fact, i've heard there has been some push back from the white house indicating he didn't say that. but the bottom line is that when only half of the american people

have participated in the political process, with some large estates in the country, people in the states have not been able to voice their opinion on who should be the democratic nominee, i think it's absurd for anybody to suggest that those people not have a right to cast a vote. >> he makes a good argument. kristin welker covers the clinton campaign. bureau chief for mother jones, and senior editor for msnbc.com. beth, you first, this is his last chance to be president of the united states. i can't think of a good reason he should quit. what does he get by quitting? he isn't going to be ambassador to england. >> listen, i covered the hillary clinton campaign in 2008. this is so similar to what we heard back then, senator clinton going forward, why should i quit, with party elders saying you need to drop out, get behind

barack obama, because this is the only way to power him into the general election. so now bernie is making the same case hillary did eight years ago. more than half the states haven't voted yet, so why boot him out now. >> what about his geographic argument. we kid about the left coast. california is very pro-choice, republicans can't win out there. knock in the democratic side, you look at the picture, the northeast is democratic. but i'm not sure it's still the case for example, new york he is getting killed. e i'm not sure there is a california chance for him. >> some states that behaved in untraditional ways. you know, he won michigan, but then didn't win the states last week. >> illinois or ohio. or missouri. >> he mentioned new york state there, where hillary clinton was senator. so and also, you have to remember that every state in the democratic contest is

proportional. so even if he wins some of those states, depending how he wins, he may only pick up a few more delegates, and so she has a big lead. he has to start winning states with a big lead. >> okay, what makes him a prince at the convention? let's be honest about this? what way to end this campaign would make him a shining star come philadelphia. i would argue, he must be thinking, he winning california, he wins a gold prize out there, then it's over, he goes to philadelphia, having won california or something like that. >> a couple of these caucus states coming up, chris. the campaign thinks he is going to win in the caucus states and pick up some momentum and that's why clinton campaign is focused on arizona. but look, he is fighting -- >> can he win in arizona? who lives in arizona? >> it looks like he has a shot, but he is making a strong -- >> who are the democrats, some hispanics obviously. >> the latinos. >> colleges few college towns. >> i think he has a shot in

arizona. >> asu. >> your question, but chris, to your question about what makes him a prince at the convention, i think he wants to fight this thing to the death, right. he said this is a revolution. you can't fight until you can't fight any more. if he takes it to the convention, he can seay now it' time to back clinton. >> can he run a campaign about vigor that doesn't get negative against her? doesn't give the republicans to use in november. >> he has been pretty negative. i don't know that he continues to be negative. he sees the writing on the wall. it doesn't help him to go negative and it hurts her. i would argue he is already a prince. he has pushed her like immigration, she is a different candidate than she would be if he had not run. >> the interview i had with her this week, a difference between her and him. she said she is not a socialist.

>> single pay, real differences, but beth is right. wall street, immigration, she is much more in tune with the democratic primary electorate. >> she is. >> she is now because of bernie. he can claim, and what does he care about, he doesn't want planes to travel in, he doesn't want ambassador ships, he wasn't to affect the debate and he has done that. >> that's her big challenge, not going too far to the left. i don't think she is shifting on foreign policy at all. that's always been one of the areas where she has been more consistent. i think that's -- >> the party with, he'll move her to the left on social, but leave her over there on the center right on foreign policy. >> absolutely. i think to beth's point, he has made his mark there. she has already shifted, like tpp. >> he can still run the revolution without attacking her. now, he may still do that. this is his decision to make. he can take it all the way up to california. run kay candidacy in the west

coast. but and without attacking her. but depends whether he -- >> '36, right. >> running mate, chris, it could be him or an elizabeth warren. >> i just want to -- i refuse to vote when you have three people with a decision. do you think it's plausible that hillary clinton potentially and maybe likely the first woman president would have a woman running mate? >> i think it would be difficult for her to choose someone who is as progressive as senator sanders. she'll go more of the castro route for example. >> i think it's tough for her to bring elizabeth warren in without getting more diversity and her out sishine her. she'll outshine hillary clinton. >> you're amazing. she would still be running. >> we're talking about the bipartisan unity ticket.

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november if donald trump is the nominee. the latest "wall street journal" polltio poll shows they'll vote for hillary clinton over trump. on flip side, only 5% of democrats say they would vote for trump over clinton. conservative leaders held a closed door meter yesterday to strategize a way to stop trump. among them was quinn hillier who said politico the consensus is we need a unity ticket of some sort and we'll let the candidates work whout the unity ticket is. good luck with that. not you? me? i thought it would be you. it's absurd that any candidate -- let's talk about this problem. we all sort of know, i think who the republican people would be who would flip over to hillary. i would say women, start with that group. people little more educated, probably. the white working class guy would probably flip the other way, hardly balancing it out. so here is an idea i want to focus on now. is there any chance that hillary clinton would pick a republican?

beth? >> you discern me. i think there's a unity ticket, two women to which the republican -- somebody who walked away from donald trump very forcefully and very publicly. >> i think the reality is she likely won't, but if we're going to entertain the scenario, i think a rubio could be an interesting pick for her and also kasich. >> that's what i think. >> there is a history -- >> franklin roosevelt going for his fourth term, he had a good campaign in '40. humphry was talking about, rockefeller joined him in '68. conquerry was talking about j n mccain and mccain talked about loeberman. >> that was a big deal. >> what stopped him, beth? does anybody know why -- >> he's a democrat. the republicans aren't -- >> they wanted a hard core republican, not a squish.

>> republicans thought mccain -- >> so they would pick sarah palin. >> republicans thought that mccain was barely a republican, so he couldn't do that. i think the odds of hillary picking a republican are 3% or less maybe colin powell, he was wrong about the iraq war. >> not very happy with it. >> maybe he can get around that, but it's really hard. the parties are so at odds on key issues. how can you pick marco rubio who said that you should go to jail for benghazi to be on the ticket. he shouldn't be on the ticket if he believes that. >> i'm throwing out ideas like this because i'm afraid what will happen is this -- we have a presidential election. it could be wild and woolly and we think it would be. if it's trump against hillary, it's not complicated to vote for. i think the vote will be hardened by late july. people will know who they're going to vote for. but we'll come into washington, hopefully we're sitting here january, january 21st, senate will continue republican -- couple seats, maybe not. it will be so close nobody will

get 60 votes to pass anything. no party will have a mandate and the house probably still republican but it's not going to be any good for a democratic president. hillary walks into a divided senate and nothing gets done and we're back into this anger, this confusion and anger. what good is all this attack and excitement and dirty naming and everything, we end up back in the same slaughter house we started with? that's what i don't want to happen. >> i thoi that point, chris, one of the things that secretary clinton should consider whether she picks a democrat or republican is potentially someone who reaches out to that outsider anti-establishment surge that we're seeing in the country. >> you think she might pick a joe mansion. >> i think she should consider it. that's what -- that's something that's missing -- >> the bernie people will hate that. the bernie people will hate that. >> yeah. >> so i mean, that's really -- >> she can't move this far left in the campaign only to go back

to being that conservative with her running mate. no way. impossible. >> i don't think a pick of a vice president is going to solve the issue that you just pointed out. i think basic country has to make a decision over the next, two, four, six, eight years on which side it wants to give a chance to. >> i agree. we need a government and we don't have a government if we go in there with hillary with a republican house and split senate. we don't have a government. we have this war that goes on. i think you're right but we don't have the parliamentary system. but we need a mandate. i would like to see any new president come in with six months. >> yeah. >> just six months. >> chris, you don't buy the notion that it would be a wipeout if hillary clinton was elected over trump and she would bring with her a democrat senate? >> she could bring a democrat senate and with 55, she is in business. >> and a lot more house members. >> you're an optimistic person on this thinking. i wish the american people would make up their mind. change their mind every four years, but at least have a mind. the round table is staying with

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>> a cheap one. >> my turn? trump has been saying if he is the nominee he can put states into play that aren't otherwise into play for republicans in the general election, he points to new york state, his home state. hillary clinton, it's her home state in a way. the latest poll out of emerson college has her beating trump in new york 55 to 36. so not even close at this moment. >> epic battle in new york. >> and you? >> okay. clinton campaign getting closer to actually have a strategy to take on donald trump. i'm told they have been considering three different things, ignoring him, which is what the republicans did which backfired. meeting him on his level which is what we saw rubio and jeb bush do which backfired. i'm told she have go after him on policy issues, draw sharp distinctions with him. >> take him seriously. when he says that stuff, say i disagree with you. >> exactly. they say the republicans haven't been able to do that because it would alienate the republican base, but she can do that. >> that's reporting. that's a great -- that's gold

stuff. that's gold. >> all right. >> thanks to the round table, kristen welker, beth fouhy and that's hardball for now. thanks for meeting with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. ♪ tonight on "all in". >> if you want someone to grab a beer with, i may not be that guy -- >> the most hated man in washington is starting to see some love. >> i'm very much appreciated governor romney's kind tweet today. we're seeing republicans coming together. plus, what would a contested convention look like? >> we have a pretty good count. all of a sudden we have another candidate for president, so you got to go back around the horn again. >> we'll show you what happened last time. then, james sanders -- >> welcome -- >> meets sheriff joe arpaio. >> my wife is a tough lady and she doesn't take ambushes easy. and there's something really fishy about this kkk grand dragon claiming he's backing the democrats. when "al