the epidemic of gun violence. so i will need the help of every single -- >> thank you secretary clinton. thank you for coming here and thank you to the old say ttate capitol to hosting all this tonight. enough of this trash. go and tell people what you're for. >> he sticks to the issue. >> we cannot elect somebody that sk doesn't know how to do the job. >> we will win the state of o o ohio. >> this is an msnbc special town hall with governor john kasich from lima, ohio. >> good evening, welcome to a special msnbc town hall event. i'm willie geist in lima, ohio. this is a family business that

started out of the back of a pickup truck in 1977. today it's certified women-owned by our host tracy sanchez. [ applause ] in just four days, ohio makes its choice in this presidential primary race, the winner sweeps up all 66 of the state's delegates. popular governor john kasich has a home-field advantage here. he's said if he doesn't win this state, he will get out of the race. donald trump doing his best to make sure that happens. let's welcome once again, republican presidential candidate and ohio governor john kasich. [ applause ] >> been through 24 contests. is it good to be home? >> i flew in to cleveland tuesday, i guess it was. i can't remember which day. hard to keep track of everything.

and i got on my hands and knees and almost kissed the ground to be back in the buckeye state, yeah, of course it is. >> let's talk about what's going on. there was a poll that came out, that has you with a 79% approval rating among republicans in this state. you won re-election by 30 points, won 86 of 88 counties. you were endorsed by the republican party in this state, and yet donald trump is either leading you, tied, or you have a slight margin over him. why aren't you running away with your home state? >> well, i think we are gaining now, willie. i think people, i believe that we will have a good solid victory here, but we have to work. that's why i'm in lima today, traveling all across the state. it's an odd year. there are all kinds of things happening, but we're ahead of him, the latest poll shows us up five. so i just think we have to work hard. we're doing everything we can possibly do. and i can say, well, they don't want me to leave, because they want to me to stay as governor,

but i'm not going to say that. i'm just hoping they'll say, let's move our guy forward. >> given your built-in advantages, shouldn't you be winning by more than you are? >> shouldn't the "today" show be having a bigger audience than what you currently have? i mean, come on, you do the best you can. i can't tell you exactly why it isn't a blow-out right now, but people are unsettled. i think they're looking for some significant change. i think that's true. but obviously, they're pretty happy in ohio. so we'll just take it. i'm very copacetic. i'm extremely calm and i'm having the time of my life. >> what do you say to some of those people in the state of ohio who like you very much but are thinking about voting for donald trump on tuesday? what do you tell them? >> i just tell them, let's look at the record. let's look at what's happened in ohio and let me get to washington and try to fix that place too.

because that's something that can help the whole country, not just people in ohio. and people in ohio will be helped. and by the way, i'm not going to move to washington permanently. my kids are going to stay in school, so i'll be coming back and forth every weekend, how's that? we'll see. [ applause ] >> governor, marco rubio's communications director came out today and said, if you want to stop donald trump in the state of ohio, go vote for john kasich. would you say the same thing to republican voters in florida? telling people who are not for me not to vote for me? >> no, no. people who may support marco rubio or ted cruz, go in and vote against donald trump. would you say the same thing in florida? >> should i tell my voters to not vote for me? i should tell my voters not to vote for me? >> that's what the rubio campaign suggested. >> that's nuts. i'm not going to tell my voters to go vote for somebody else. you know what else, i don't

think that i have to tell them anything. let them figure it out. but would that be the most bizarre thing. you like me, but please don't vote for me, go vote for somebody else? here's the thing you have to understand, i'm the governor of this state. the people have allowed me to be in my second term. we've not only seen the economy rise, but we've seen a lot of people helped. you know the drug addicted, the mentally ill, the working poor. i got a beautiful e-mail from a mom about her son who is developmentally disabled, doing really well, but we provide coverage for the families with autism which they never had before, and our friends in the minority community. they're coming up. i decided to run for this, because i thought i could help the country. but to be honest with you, i'm only trying to do what i think i'm sorta called to do. and i'm working as hard as i can. the only way i can work harder is to set myself on fire. but i'm very relaxed about the

outcome and i'm having -- look, i've run a positive campaign from the very beginning. and i don't know if you watched the debate last night, my positivity must be coming contagious with the republican candidates for president. [ applause ] >> you know, one other thing, i don't think politics has to be name-calling. they're going to run a lot of negative ads about me in this state, trying to defeat me, which i don't think will work, but why can't we talk about our vision? why can't we talk about our hopes? why can't we show the kids that -- there was one little young person back here -- a little young to understand running for president, but we all have kids and they all watch. why can't we show them that politics can be a noble profession where you sell people on the basis of what you're for? this pallet company, lima pallet, they don't go out and say, don't buy palettes somewhere else because they're lousy. they go out and sell lima palettes because they got the best palettes in the world. why can't we do politics that

way? i think it would lift our country. and i think our country wants lifted. >> let's get our first question of the night from you. >> governor, welcome back to lima, ohio. given the tenor of the campaign over the last many weeks, how concerned are you about the republican party moving forward? >> well, if i'm the nominee, it will be all fine. because, you know, look, i have a very positive rating in the country, which is really amazing. a plus 19. bernie is second. and i don't know that anybody else has a positive rating. i've tried to run a campaign of uniting people. i'm not trying to demonize any particular group, and the common sense solution, you know, in terms of immigration, in this state, we brought people together. i'm a conservative, i'm a republican. we'll have conservative solutions, but we'll invite democrats in. keith faber is sitting right here. we have a philosophy. whoever wants to help us to solve a problem, we're going to

do it. so i'm not really worried about all this now. what i'm concerned about is getting through all this and then i also beat hillary by more than anybody else. i'm the only one right now beating hillary in ohio. look, here's the fact. i don't think in our history any republican has ever become president without winning ohio, is that right? >> that's correct. >> so we're just going to keep being positive, sir. and let me just -- this is what i want to say, but i don't want people to misinterpret it like i'm not serious about this. there's more to life than winning an election. you know, in my lifetime, i'm just trying to do what i feel i've been called to do. and, you know, i'm just going to keep at it, one foot in front of the other, like the way they climb mt. everest. okay? and i'm going to be positive and put my vision and my record out there. if it works, great. if it doesn't work, i'll be okay.

life's going to go on. i think when you get too hung up, when you want something so badly you're willing to do about anything for it, then i think it affects your behavior. remember that old song -- i don't know if you're old enough to remember the song. hang on loosely but don't let go. ever heard that song? try it, you'll enjoy it. >> sir, thank you for your question. i want to ask you, governor, about your path to the nomination. it seems to me now that the path for you, senators rubio and cruz, is to stop donald trump from reaching a majority of the delegates. is that true, or do you believe you can win a majority of the delegates? >> trump has like 300 or something. there's a thousand-some yet to go. yeah, i could absolutely win enough and go into the convention with the greatest number of delegates. that can happen. >> a plurality or a majority? are you expecting a fight in cleveland? >> i don't know what we say about a fight. i think it's very hard for anybody to get there with the

right number of delegates, to clinch the nomination, but you get there and you have the delegates there and they take a look at who's running, who's in the arena, and they make a pick. but i could go in there stronger than anybody else. that's not inconceivable. the media, they say so many things on monday and completely switch on tuesday, but i love you, willie. >> thank you for making an exception. but walk the voters through because there may be some people voting that say, i don't think he can get the nomination, so i don't want to waste a vote on tuesday for him. how do you get to the nomination? what's the path? >> just take things one day at a time. win ohio. [ inaudible question ] >> there's a thousand yet to go. i just said it. so is it possible for me to go into the convention winning a lot more states than ohio? look, this is march madness. what do they all want? home-court advantage. i'm finally getting on my home court.

and you folks are finally paying attention to me. i mean, i actually get questions in the debate now. is that unbelievable? [ applause ] >> all right, let's turn now to the economy, governor. for that we go to andy, a registered republican here in ohio. >> governor kasich, we've had some success with bringing business from foreign countries, like china and canada, into ohio. how specifically will you do that for the country and expand those programs that way for us? >> well, look, i think you have -- first of all, everything starts with jobs. as i think everybody in ohio knows, my father was a mail man, i grew up in a blue collar town. it was a town where people struggled. i learned as a kid the most important thing that somebody like me or keith or any of the other elected officials can do is to create an environment for job growth. so i think we have -- how do you

do that? common sense regulations, so you don't strangle the lima pallet. you have some regulations, but don't kill them. lower the taxes. these people don't pay any income tax on their business, i would suspect, because they're a small business and we don't tax them on income tax and then finally have a fiscal plan. one of the things that our jobs ohio people say, one of the greatest advantages we have, we're running a surplus. all of the cabinet works together, and they understand that they need to work together to be job friendly. that's what we need to washington. first of all, we need lower corporate taxes because we're some of the highest taxes in the world. we punish people who want to bring their profits home. we tax them twice. it has to stop. but you have to have an administration that is focused at every level, with every cabinet member on being job friendly. reward people who create jobs, because when we create jobs, we help our families.

that's what we have to do. so what i would say is, get the taxes in the right place, get the regulations in the right place, train our workforce. see, we have to demand, and i think here in lima, they're doing a great job. we have to train our kids for the jobs of today and tomorrow. right there in the k through 12 education, and vocational education, the community college and then four-year schools. but you have to have a business friendly attitude in all of your cabinet. and if they don't get it, then you got to find somebody who does. and that attitude of welcoming, of having common sense, of having a job-creating mentality, will change america, and will allow us to have that economic growth that we so much want. but we do have to lower taxes, we better get on a path to a balanced budget. we have a $19 trillion debt, and the regulations have to make sense. a lot of those regulations, they're hurting us here in the midwest. >> thank you for your question, sir. we appreciate it. >> on the question of the economy, there are plants in lorraine scheduled to close,

u.s. steele and republic steel. what do you say to those steel workers? >> first of all, you have to rush in there and find out what you can train them for. but we're up in ohio, 63,000 manufacturing jobs since i've come into office. we're also going to be later today at a place called fuyao where we have over a thousand workers who are replacing an auto plant that closed. we have more workers working there now than when the auto plant was open. and guess who the investor is. he's chinese. so we have jobs coming back from mexico. ford brought jobs back from mexico. we're seeing foreign investment from germany, from france, from great britain. for those workers who are there, we want to rush up there and find out what the situation is. i will tell you this. one of those steel plants got hurt because the south koreans were dumping steel in. in other words, they were bringing steel into this country at an -- and they were selling at a price less than it cost them to make it. it's called dumping. it's a violation of trade

agreements. the government went and fought it. it takes a couple years in the happened of an international bureaucrat to decide this. if i'm president, we're not going to put up with that nonsense anymore. we'll have an expedited process. when we see a violation of the trade agreements, we'll act on them immediately. this is in my dna. my family, they all worked in steel mills. they don't wear a white collar. they wore a blue collar. we'll have to keep training people, but we rush where there's a problem. >> much more with governor john kasich of ohio. we're back in a minute, from lima, ohio. [ applause ] a heart attack doesn't care if you run everyday, or if you're young or old. no matter who you are a heart attack can happen without warning. if you've had a heart attack, a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another one. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin.

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>> welcome back to msnbc's special town hall event. we're speaking with ohio

governor john kasich in lima, ohio. we'll get to the audience in just a second. >> as we were in break, i said, what was the bigger endorsement i got? arnold schwarzenegger or urban meyer. and all we heard was o-h. >> -i-o >> arnold has been a friend of mine for a long time. when i was running for governor, they were running a bunch of negative ads against me. and he looked at me and goes, love the beatings, love them. [ laughter ] >> read into that one. we're going to talk to the crowd in just a second. democrats in ohio, new proposal this week to raise the minimum wage from $8.10 to $10.10, good idea? >> no. i think we have a steady raising of the minimum wage each year that fits our economy. if you jump it up too much, i was just at qp over here, the hamburger place. you raise it up too much, people are going to lose their jobs. we have a perfect situation.

it's a modest increase every year. but it's a political time, we're getting close to an election, so just let's politicize the issue. we should not politicize some of these things. i think we're getting ourselves in the right place on the minimum wage. >> somebody making $8.10 an hour, if they get 40 hours a week and work all year, $16,848 a year. you can't live on that, can you? >> no. and the fact is, it ought to keep rising, but what i don't want to do is give a raise to somebody and somebody else loses their job. a lot of these jobs, they're young people or they're part-time. the whole key to income and wage increases is skills. we want to take anybody who is in a job where they are the working poor and give them the skills to be able to get out of it and i'll tell you another thing we're doing. and the legislature is going along with this. we don't want to have a working mom who gets offered a pay raise. she can't take it because she

loses more benefits than she gains with the pay raise. that's nuts on welfare. we're trying to reform the welfare system so people will be encouraged to rise, so people can ultimately escape poverty. those are the kinds of things that we're working on in our state. [ applause ] >> turning back to the audience, this is simon gonzalez. >> i'm an international student from caracas, venezuela. been living in ohio for almost six years now. i know for this election, immigration topic is a very difficult one. and for me, as an international student, it's kind of uncomfortable sometimes because

i would love to stay in this beautiful country which has given me amazing opportunities just being a student. in the last democratic debate, they make the candidates promise that they will not deport any legal immigrants with any kind of records. so i would like to know your comment on illegal immigration, but also people like me that are students that would love to stay in this country. thank you. >> well, i'd say, first of all, if you're under a deportation order, then you're going to have to leave. but i think you know my position. my position is to control the border. we need to control our border just like you lock the doors in your car or your house. and then if people want to come in illegally, they're going to have to go back. but i favor immigration, for the 11.5 million that came here illegally, if they have not committed a crime since they've been here, then they're going to pay some taxes, a fine, and they can have a path to legalization, but not citizenship. i've been the most outspoken on this. i've never wavered. i just finished my 12th debate. whether people yell or scream or like it or not, that's my position, and i think it's reasonable. and i believe in immigration, but it has to be immigration that's controlled.

so that we know who's coming in our country. and anything other than that, first of all, it's not fair. and secondly, it could become a security issue, which we don't want. so for you at this point you're a student and i don't know what the path would be, maybe you get a green card, i don't know. but we don't want to go around grabbing 11 million people out of their homes, shipping them across the border and having their kids sitting on the porch crying that mom and dad have been taken out. i believe this can work. once the wall is done, if anybody comes in, you gotta go back. no excuses, because we have to get beyond this situation. i think the proposal i have is reasonable, a path to legalization, but never to citizenship for those that jump the line is, i think, something that the people can accept and something that can pass the congress. we need to lower the rhetoric on this and just get it done. let's be americans first before we're fighting with one another down there all the time.

>> governor, what's the distinction there? you said you don't believe in a path way to citizenship, but a path way to legalization. for people at home, what's the difference? >> it has to do with benefits. it has to do with voting. all those things that come as a benefit of being a citizen. my problem with giving them a path to citizenship, i've always told my girls, no matter how badly you want something, you don't jump in front of somebody who's been waiting. it's largely unfair. no matter where we are in life, when we see somebody jump in front of us when we've been waiting in line, it's very aggravating. so i don't think they ought to have that reward. but many of them are important parts of our communities, our economy. to just pick them up out of their home, it would divide america. it's not going to happen. it's all political rhetoric. >> let's get another question from evan. he's undecided. >> mr. governor, there's a lot of controversy right now about gun ownership, due to school shootings, mass shootings and things like that.

what are your thoughts on the second amendment, and do you believe in protecting our right to own a gun? >> i'm a second amendment supporter. i would tell you this, that -- well, a couple things i would say to you. number one, the president through executive order has raised an issue that shouldn't be done by executive order, but the congress ought to consider, and that's the issue of mental illness. we do not want to have guns going into the hands of people who have mental illness. and the fact is, the states are supposed to upload the data on people that have these problems. many of the states are not doing it. the congress should look into it and follow the law and toughen the law in that area. but there's another thing, i think, that's in your hands, young man. and that is, when you're in school, you get a sense of somebody being bullied. you get a sense of somebody who is, you know, really you can see they could be on the edge. that's when you need to tell your teachers.

that's when you need to tell your principal. that's when you need to report, call the police department, say, let me tell you what i'm seeing, because that's something that can disrupt these kinds of things. and it's important we keep our eyes open. and let me tell you another thing. i tell all the students, including the young ones that are out here, never, ever bully anybody. and secondly, when you see somebody being bullied, you want to do some real good? you stand up for the person at's being bullied. it will make a big difference. okay? [ applause ] >> governor, there was a young man shot and killed here in lima on monday in a convenience store. are murders like that a people problem or are they a gun problem, when you look at them? >> well, i don't know what the details are. no, i think that people have a right to defend themselves. i think people have a right under the second amendment to collect guns, to hunt.

see, i just don't believe that passing laws to restrict guns is going to have any impact. i think it's fundamentally a problem with the people who, you know, engage in this kind of violence. so, look, i can only answer it by saying we all have to keep our eyes open. i don't know the story behind that. we just had a terrible situation in chicago where a young boy was shot because the gang member had a problem with his father. >> a 9-year-old. >> these are just horrific things. horrific things. so the question is, how do we get to the root of it? i'll just tell you one other thing. willie, when we look around, we find a society sometimes that's divided, that's polarized. and frankly, you know, loving your neighbor matters. and when we don't love our neighbor, when we don't care about somebody, you know, we know the story of the good samaritan, it's transcended time. that two people passed them by and then finally somebody got him into an inn and paid his

bill. transcended time is the way we should behave. so a lot of this is about reconnecting our communities. it's about being involved. i'm running for president, okay? you hire me as ceo, i go take care of the budget and the taxes and all that. but you know what really is the spirit of our country, in my opinion, it's you. it's what we do with the god-given gifts that we have. if you're a nurse, you spend an extra 15 minutes with a family that's frightened. if you're a teacher, well, you know about teachers. they're the most underpaid people in our society. why do they do it? they want to change lives. but here's another one that i like to talk about. you know a lady she's been married 50 years, her husband dies. no one calls her anymore. so what i think, call her on monday and tell her that you're going to take her to dinner on saturday. what's she going to do on thursday? what will she do on thursday?

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[ applause ] >> we are back with the lima pallet company, our gracious hosts in lima, ohio with a very special guest, governor john kasich. we go back to the crowd. mark, take it away. >> thank you, governor. as commander in chief, how would you deal with the issues that are going on in the middle east, in particular with isis? >> okay, how about a little trip around the world. okay, first of all, with isis, isis takes me back to the first gulf war, and the reason i say it is, we cannot defeat isis unless we have -- i mean, we could, but we need to have the

arabs involved, the muslim arabs who have been our friends. those would be the egyptians, the jordanians, the saudis are in upheaval, and the gulf states. and frankly turkey is a really tricky country that we need to figure out how to deal with. and then we get our european allies, and we go in the air and on the ground and we destroy them. as quickly as we can. settle the situation down. and let the regional people figure it out. you know, iraq was drawn after world war i by a bunch of guys sitting in london. so they didn't know the difference between sunni, shia, kurds, and they just put these things together that never fit. so let the regional people sort it out. okay? israel is a great ally of ours. when you think about it, and i said it in the debate, they're being attacked from above with missiles, rockets. they're being attacked from under the ground, digging tunnels. they're our great friend, and we need to make sure that they have security that they need, and give them the weapons they need

to defend themselves. and our goal there should be stability. libya's a problem now because we kicked gadhafi out and mettled somewhere we shouldn't have. getting in the middle of civil wars never works out for us. we can support people that are on our side, but directly involving ourselves makes a terrible mistake. in that case, we drove him out and now we have isis in libya. and they say we're going to do it from the air, with people on the ground taking care of their matters. we shouldn't have ever had that problem. with putin, he needs to understand, we're going to arm the ukrainians, so they can defend themselves. secondly, if he tries to attack again in europe, that's an attack on us and he needs to understand that. we don't have to tell him he's our enemy, but he needs to understand what the limits are. the chinese need to understand they don't own the south china sea.

we don't expect them to continue to hack us and then we have the capability not only to defend ourselves, but to launch a counterattack that will knock out their systems. and look, they have to stop manipulating their currency when they're in a good position, to try to take our jobs. so you have europe. it's really important that you go to europe and start showing respect to them. but also warning them about the dangers that -- well, they know about it, right? you don't have to tell the french about the dangers of islamic extremism. the brits are getting ready. the germans are being flooded with migrants because we failed to do anything in syria, where we could have supported rebels in opposition to assad. but europe is right now all for an agreement, and here's what i would say. sometimes you get lemons. and oftentimes you can take the lemons and turn it into lemonade. and since everybody is at risk,

this might be a unique opportunity for us to unite the world. it won't be easy, but it has to be tried, and it has to be done. and then the civilized world needs to stand together. people from all over the globe that respect the rights of women, that respect freedom, that protest, that respect history. for example, things like that, we need to be in a position where we're sending a word to the entire world and those people who sit on the fence, who are prone to extremism that we move them the other way. and then, you know, mexico is a country, severe poverty, great corruption, but you mark my words, that country will rise because of demographics and natural resources. in canada, we now have another trudeau, i guess he was at the white house the other day. i don't know too much about him. young guy. so that's a lot of it. lots of trouble in brazil right now. they're indicted the former president, trying to kick the current one out. i don't know what that's going to mean for that country or for the olympics. you know, and then there's the other country we have, california.

we need to make sure that -- no, i'm just kidding. that's a little trip around the world. i hope that helps you. >> i think you touched every continent but antarctica in that answer. >> i grew up in pittsburgh and we had the penguins. >> there you go, that counts for antarctica. more with john kasich from the lima pallet company in lima, ohio, right after this. [ applause ] there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.

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governor, hits you on your time at lehman brothers, seven years as an executive there. how do you respond to the ad? >> first of all, wallowing in the mud with donald is not what i think is a successful strategy, but i will say one thing about lehman brothers. i ran a two-man office in columbus, ohio. if i bankrupted lehman brothers from a two-man office, i should have been selected pope. that's like blaming a car dealer for the collapse of gm. it's negative and it's desperation, but the people of this state, they know me. so i'm not concerned about it. >> he's floated the idea that you would be a great vice president for him. >> he better not say that in front of my wife. [ laughter ] i'm serious. [ applause ] >> you've said in the past you would support the nominee, even if it were donald trump. >> i belve i'll be the

nominee, but i have the second best job in america. number one is president. number two is governor of ohio. and i love being governor of ohio. [ applause ] >> so if donald called and asked you, it would be a "no"? >> come on, willie, i just answered your question. >> you would not accept the presidential vice president for donald trump? >> i'm going to be the republican nominee and get the rest of the country after we win ohio. >> if you -- are you available for vice president with me? >> i'm afraid i've got a good day job. but i appreciate it. >> there's a plane, there's a house. >> it's tempting. msnbc takes good care of me. this is hanna, a republican with a question about the american dream. >> hello, governor. i'm 23, full-time grad student. i'm graduating this may with my masters. >> from where? >> lima, ohio, but i'm graduating from liberty.

i'm worried about finding a full time job and being able to pay off my student loans. and the one thing that's keeping me going is the american dream, being able to make something of myself. my question for you, how will the american dream be a reality under a kasich presidency? >> well, you know, that -- kinda that question touches me, becausyore 23 years old, and you're going to find not only the american dream, but your own dreams if you dig down, because you're made special. don't ever forget that. there's something that you can do to nobody else can do. no one's ever done and no one will ever do again. so those are big dreams in and of themselves. in terms of our country, we absolutely have to get this economy going. this is the worst recovery post world war ii out of a recession. we're growing anemically and there's all kinds of things that

are happening out here, that are keeping us from doing well. we are now up in our state, over 400,000 jobs. from down 350,000. but the entire time i've been working as governor, the wind has been in my face never at my back. so if i can get this all straightened out down there, using the formula that i did in washington -- you know, i was budget chairman. i don't know if you knew this, but i got the federal budget balanced working with a group of people. we paid down a half trillion of the national debt and the economy was roaring. and then frankly the republicans spent all the money. and then we went back into the hole, then we had the crisis on wall street. and we've been down. but we can get back up again and grow. for you, i'm worried about the student debt as well. what's really interesting, and i don't know what the costs are at liberty, but i was in michigan a week ago. you know y could go to college for $6,000 in two years and transfer all those credits to a four-year school.

you could cut your college costs in half. and that's one thing. secondly, you ought to be able to restructure your loans so the interest rates reflect where the market is today. maybe we can come up with some community service projects where you can help improve the community and work some of that debt off. but here's another thing that you need to think about. a lot of it is connected. first of all, you need to go on ohio means jobs, the website. because you'll see a list of all the job openings in ohio. i think we're up to 200,000 jobs, something like that, of openings that are not filled. so you need to scan that. ohio means jobs. every state ought to have ohio means jobs. and frankly, early on in our education, we ought to be educating you based on what you want to do with your life, connected to the jobs that are available, so you can actually see what it is you might want to do and how you get one of those jobs. that's what i think is important. connecting education to jobs. and we're forcing all of our

universities to work with students on that. and we all are starting that in the k through 12 system, so that people can begin to grow up and see what it is they might want to do and what it takes to get one, what they pay, it's all there on ohio means jobs. that's the kind of site that i would argue should be available all across america, so people can get education, connected to jobs, training connected to jobs, bu, n't don't lose faith. we'll get this economy going. but also remember, you know, you keep the faith and know that you will find your way in this world. just search for what it is you're supposed to do. okay? >> thank you very much. >> thank you for your question. a quick break and more with governor john kasich right after this. [ applause ] allergies with nasal congestion?

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we're back with more of msnbc's event with governor john kasich. we're in lima, ohio. we'll get to some more questions in just a moment. i want to talk to you a little bit more about the state of the race. there are republicans who believe we must first stop trump. i'm going to read from you.

every vote you take from cruz or rubio is a vote toward embracing planned parenthood and cozying up to vladimir putin. it's a vote toward the potential destruction of a republican party that is america's last political hope of protecting life, religious liberty and national security. >> sounds pretty dire, doesn't it? >> what do you make of that argument that some people think that the three of you are splitting up the vote and clearing the path for donald trump to become the nominee? >> this isn't a parlor game and we're not picking this class president. we're picking the president of the united states. i'm running in this because i believe that i can bring the country together and solve these problems and frankly, transfer power to people here where they can be strengthened and also to restore some hope. i mean, i -- i go places, i was in this little town palatine, illinois, there must have been almost 2,000 people in there. they were working folks. they reminded me of being home.

they were so intense about, you know, you can do this. i mean, sometimes those people give me more energy than i can get myself and you don't make these kinds of deals or whatever. i'm not out to stop anybody. i'm out to become president of the united states and we have a long way to go and starting with a good win in ohio we're off to the races. and i'm going to get to that convention, maybe -- you never know what happens in this business, by the way. what's true today is not true tomorrow. so look, i don't pay much attention to all these pun dits and all. get in the arena, my friend. get in there and then let me know when you're in the arena what it's like. it's easy to have an opinion when you're sitting like 50 rows up, you know, in the endzone somewhere. i'll tell you what that quarterback should do. go play football and give me a call. >> let's turn back to the crowd. chandler has a question for you. >> i am currently a junior in

high school and last night on the debate there was talk about raising the retirement age and baby boomers come closer to their retirement age do you believe slowly raising that age could hopefully save america? >> well, i said last night that there are more 18-year-olds who believe in ufos than seeing a social security check and somebody today fact checked me on it. how do you fact check? but we already raising the retirement age. i'll give you a technical answer since you're at st. john's high school. you're a smart guy here. we currently create the initial benefit based on wages and prices and we're only going to base it on prices which means your initial starting point will be somewhat lower. for those who have been wealthy through their lives they'll get social security. it will just be less and for those that definitely need it and depend on it they'll get the full benefit and the system is fixed forever. end of story.

in order to get that done you're going to have to have some democrats that go along and there will be some compromise involved in this, but that will get it done. i tried to do this in -- before i left the congress, and everybody ran away because they didn't want to, you know, get themselves out there on social security, so i better just ignore it and now the problem has gotten much worse, but we can fix it. obamacar . >> another quick question for you. will being antiabortion be a requirement. >> i've appointed over 100 judges including a woman who serves on the e ooh supreme court. all i want to know is they're not going to make law, they're going to interpret the law and that they're upstanding people. if they have a couple of things in their background i don't care about that but at the end of the day we've appointed conservatives. we vote for judges in ohio.

most of them have won. i haven't checked it all, they've done well, they've carried on their duties responsibly. one thing i am beginning to ask some of the judges though is we have a very serious problem all across the country with drugs. and the one thing we don't want to do or with people who are nonviolent offenders, let's not put them in the prison next to a murderer. because a judge sometimes gets down to a decision, well am i going to be labeled soft on crime if i put him in a setting that's better for them but yet i can be attacked in a campaign? we need to make sure that we're on top of that so we might ask a question like that, but no litmus test because where do they start and where do they end sf. >> brooklyn has a question for you. >> hi. i'm from st. john's and my question is how do you think being governor gives you an advantage in the race and as possibly president? >> well, first of all i was a legislator for a long time and i

learned to not like executives. okay? and as an executive, i'll let you finish the sentence. okay? no, just kidding. but in all seriousness, these experiences allow you to understand both sides. what is it that a legislator needs and what is it that an executive is supposed to do? you know, as an executive you're held accountable. and young lady, you know, at the end of the day, if we were not growing jobs, if things were really bad, then people would say he failed. fortunately we didn't fail. had a good team of people and a good legislator to work with but there's no substitute for the experience of things happening that just come right out of the blue. and let me tell you, i am a much better leader today than i was five years ago. there's no question. i'm better today than i was four years ago. each year, you develop -- you know what part of the key is? have to be calm, you have to be confident, you have to be strong, and you have to make sure you have a good team.

that's what you have to do. and you don't learn to be calm -- how old are you? >> i'm 16 right now. >> you're 16. are you driving yet? >> yes, i am. >> okay. be careful. okay? now, here's what i want to tell you. you're going to be a much better driver two years from now than you are today. and you're going to see things today that are going to get you a little shaky, okay? ride in the right-hand lane, would you? but here's the thing. after you see a lot of things you're going to become more comfortable behind the wheel and that's what it's like to be an executive. you can't blame -- you can't make excuses as an executive. in other words, the final exam comes and you can't say the dog ate my homework. you actually have to take the test and you get a grade. >> thank you, brooklyn. >> unfortunately we're out of time. i have a million more questions. i will ask one more that there seems to be a lot of interest about in this room. the cleveland browns cut johnny

manziel today. was that a good idea? >> well, the people cheered when they told me about it and i don't know the guy, but i think we're all disappointed. he struggled like he has, we wish it hadn't happened but he hasn't seemed to accept personal responsibility. i don't know enough about him other than to say that you know, clearly he's -- he's got a problem and he needs to get on top of it and i hope he does and i wish him all the best. but it just hasn't worked out for the browns. now, you didn't bring up lebron and let me just say this. they're going to win the title this year. >> really? >> i'm going to predict it. okay? i know. i know. listen, i know all about stephan curry. i know all about green. watch for the cavs. >> curry born in akron too. >> i didn't know that. was he born --

>> he was indeed. good luck on tuesday, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you for the time. >> our thanks to governor john kasich and to the lima pallet company for hosting us tonight. this is the place for politics on msnbc. have a great night. >> this sunday the republican establishment has tried persuasion. >> mr. trump is a conman, a fake. >> it's tried schoolyard tactics. >> and still, donald trump keeps winning. but last night, more ugliness at a rally. as trump warns of violence, if he's denied the nomination. >> i think you'd have riots. >> but can he be stopped at a convention? john kasich, the last establishment cdidatending joins me. plus, the battle over the supreme court. the republicans say no