good afternoon, i'm chris jansing live from brussels, belgium. and today people are bringing flowers and cards to the memorial here, gathering in solidarity after tuesday's attacks. this is the first weekend day since then and the crowds have been enormous. but tomorrow's demonstration of solidarity called march against fear has now been canceled.

organizers made that decision after belgium's interior minister and the mayor of brussels joined the public not to join tomorrow's rally citing the terror threat level and the ongoing investigation. and major new developments in that investigation today. bell michigan federal prosecutors have charged a man identified as phisel. they say he's the man here but nbc news has not confirmed that report. joining me is amman ayman

monhedim. >> reporter: we'll start with the man who is the first individual to be charged with actual crimes in connection with the attacks that took place here in brussels. the man identified by the federal prosecutors release. in fact, his apartment search did not yield weapons or explosives found during that particular search of his residence. now, he was arrested on thursday as we understand it. but no specific role has been ascribed to him by the federal prosecutor. what we do know is he's charged with participating in a terrorist group, murder through terrorism assassination is what they refer to it here in belgium. so that was a significant development in connection with tuesday's attacks. two other arrests that have been made have connections with activities in france, in particular, an individual who was arrested in connection with a rape that took place in france on thursday night. and that individual here has

been identified by the belgian federal prosecutor in connection with that. so a lot of pieces of the puzzle. federal prosecutors are not specifically saying that the man that was arrested known as fisel si. >> the raids have been going on pretty regularly since tuesday and will continue, ayman? >> reporter: absolutely. counter terrorism raids are going on. and we know there have been ten arrests occurring over the past week. some of them have been released according to federal prosecutors. others remain in custody by the belgian police still being questioned. one individual's detention was extended another 24-hour period while the prosecutor determines if there's any association to any of the activities that have taken place here. you brought up a really good

point in terms of the security situation across brussels that remains on high alert. as you mentioned, officials, both the belgian interior minister and the brussels mayor have asked the public not to hold a rally, a solidarity march, here on sunday given the fact that it may drain a lot of resources, police resources, just to secure the large turnout that would have been expected. instead, they want to keep the resources of the state focused on this current investigation. chris? >> yeah, i even talked to a shopkeeper today who said he was planning to close for a few hours to come down here so i know they were expecting huge crowds. ayman, thank you very much. and joining us, former cia director for president bill clinton, james wolsey. i just want to start with the raids that have been taking place here the last couple of days. officials have been able to link very -- they are very specific about this, the november paris attacks in brussels, what does

that tell you about how sophisticated and widespread this terror cell was and is? >> well, isis is a little empire. and it aspires to be a bigger empire. and it is rooted in theocratic, genocidal views. much of this is inspired in one way or another or even guided by isis. we have a world war, in a sense, call it something else if you don't like the phrase, but we are at war, civilized west and east, including japan and the like, are at war with a b

bureaucratic totalitarian unit. and we have to regard it very seriously and not just fight the last war. the police work in brussels looks like it is coming around and doing very good and useful things. in spite of the fact that belgian police over the recent past have not gone on raids after 9:00 in the evening and have done a number of things, stayed out of certain neighborhoods in brussels, that are not consistent with doing good and thorough police work. that's changing, that's good. but we can't just fight the last war. we have to understand among other things that belgium has nuclear material, probably enriched up to a level of about 20% for -- that it can use for medical purposes and the like. but there have been some stories about people watching a nuclear facility and trying to find out what is going on, where and

when. this is something we've got to get ahead of and get on top of before somebody creates a dirty bomb, let's say forget about an explosive, just high explosives and radioactive materials that would keep an area from being used for decades because of the radio activity. >> to your point of getting ahead of things, there's been so much criticism about the lack of intelligence sharing here. and i want to cite just one example, which is there was a locality that admitted that they had the address of a safehouse where salah abdeslam was staying back in december, but they didn't have the resources or somehow it fell in the cracks. it didn't get put into a national database. i'm wondering, does that surprise you? and is the system in the u.s. significantly better. >> the system in the u.s., particularly in an individual cities and states much better

than 9/11. in new york right after 9/11 when we had mayor giuliani and then later mayor bloomberg and particularly ray kelly running the police was superb. and some of that's been done away with by the newer regime in new york city. but the point is that we were doing it right in new york be and in a number of other cities and states that followed after 9/11. it is not a national policy in the u.s. yes, we can do more to share intelligence agents. intelligence agencies and investigative agencies often are fairly bad at sharing information. we're pretty good at that in the u.s. but we could be better. >> former cia director james woolsey, good to see you. >> good to be with you. president obama, meantime, in his radio weekly address, now his weekly address, not just

radio address, offereded support to belgium and strongly reiterated his administration's commitment to fighting isis. >> we will succeed. the terrorists will fail. they want us to abandon our values and our way of life. we will not. they want us to give in to their vision of the future, we will defeat them with ours. because we know that the future belongs not to those who seek only to destroy it, but to those who have the courage to build it. >> and we have also learned that next week the president is going to be meeting with foreign leaders at a nuclear summit where he will review joint counter terrorism efforts, particularly as it relates to nuclear safety that dr. woolsey was talking about. joining me from the white house is nbc's kerry sanders. we know from what secretary kerry said here yesterday, the team of fbi agents is on the ground here. they were actually helping out before the attack at the request of the government. but the president and john kerry

have promised europe more help as officials continue this investigation. what do we expect? what do we know about the cooperation of the u.s. in this investigation? >> well, of course, the united states has a counter intelligence operation. and many countries will protect for themselves and will share it in greater detail as a result of what's happening, because, really, the collective belief is that the intelligence agencies working together from country to country will have a greater impact on trying to determine really there are other cells operating or even cells that remain. meantime, a as you noted, there is going to be a meeting here in washington. it's the nuclear safety summit. 52 heads of state will be here this coming week. and it's an important meeting in light of what we heard director woolsey mention there. and that is the possibility of a

nuclear dirty bomb. we do know from nbc news reporting that khalid and ibrah ibrahim bakraoui were looking for material to use in a dirty bomb. as pointed out, it would be decades for a cleanup after that because it is nuclear material. chris? >> nbc's kerry sanders at the white house for us today. thank you, kerry. and roughly -- well, they don't know for sure, but they think a dozen americans were injured in this week's attack here in belgium. we still don't know the identities of the two americans who were killed. gabe gutierrez has been looking into some of the stories of those who were killed and injured and joins me now. gabe, you have spent a good bit of the day traveling around the city trying to find out what you can. tell us what you learned.

>> reporter: hi, chris. well, behind me, certainly, a lot of people are starting to pay their respects here. and i started also to speak with several of the families of the missionaries of a few of the survivors of these attacks here in brussels. and i spoke with a family of richard norbius, a 66-year-old. he had gone with a few other missionaries to the airport and was dropping off a colleague when the explosion happened. i spoke with his family. here's some of what they had to say. >> we just thought it was a simple broken ankle, maybe a broken leg. maybe some burns on his face. but it was the pictures that were difficult to see because of our love for him and the distance between us that was hard. >> reporter: how thankful are

you that he's alive? >> very grateful. especially, especially this time of year. good friday, easter season, it's nice to see something positive. >> reporter: that was the family of richard norby. his doctors plan to take out his breathing tube starting today. they plan to start to take him out of the medically induced coma and the family hopes to spend easter sunday with him awake, if possible. several other of the family members or missionaries injured include 20-year-old joe impy and his parents arrived here yesterday. i had the opportunity to speak to him by skype this afternoon, he says he's doing great and wants to thank everybody for their thoughts and prayers. but he described a harrowing experience. something he hopes to put behind him. but again, these families are so grateful their loved ones are

alive. chris? >> it's so good they can be together for this holiday weekend. nbc's gabe gutierrez, thank you. and we'll have much more from here in brussels in just a bit. but next, we're going to turn to politics. the democratic contest being decided today and the primary. bernie sanders is looking ahead to in order to keep his white house hopes alive. i take pictures of sunrises. it's my job and it's also my passion. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time.

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call perry is in seattle. we know he's far behind in the delegate count, how important do they think today's race is? >> reporter: they think this could be a big day for bernie sanders. they are playing the delegate defense as you mentioned. hillary clinton as hababout a thousand more she needs to lock this down. but a huge rally yesterday in seattle for bernie sanders. we are in the middle of the caucus here at west seattle high school. here's a look at the room. people have broken into small groups. these are really neighborhood groups. they have taken the first vote. this is the time now where people can sway other members of the group to change their affiliation or change their vote or to sway undecided voters. it is really interesting because you have to have a bit of courage to stand up in front of your friends and neighbors and argue for the candidates. that's what we are seeing here. we are also seeing the votes start to come in here. we are looking at the results to

take over to the district. this is the first of the three-pronged phase for the state of washington as they push forward their nominee for the democratic ticket. it's expected to last about another 20 minutes. it is pretty boisterous here. >> we always hear from bernie sanders, the more people turn out, the better it is for us, he says. so i wonder, compared to what they were expecting a the caucus site, how is the turnout? >> reporter: so anecdotely they were expecting 400 to 500 people and i would say we are around 700 to 800 people. so certainly the bernie sanders message we heard in safeco field last night, bring your friends and relatives out, that seems to be what is playing out, at least in this location, chris. >> just in terms of travelocity of hawaii, alaska, washington state, all great places to be, but senator sanders is not

there. he's holding a rally tonight in wisconsin. give us a sense how important that upcoming state is, the viability of his campaign. >> reporter: well, this is the next step in a fight to keep hillary clinton from reaching that magic number of delegates. if he can do well here, if he can carry the momentum. and again, we had a massive rally in seattle and we also saw a rally in portland, oregon, in which that now famous bird landed on the podium. now they are calling it birdie sanders. this and the great northwest, this is his backyard. this is the -- >> all right. we just lost cal. but you can see there is the count. can we put that up one more time so people have a perspective what we are looking at tonight with hillary clinton and bernie sanders going against each other in the three states. then wisconsin going forward even more.

our thanks to cal perry. let's to the republican presidential campaign now that is really starting to get ugly. ted cruz called the "national inquirer" story garbage and tabloid trash. two women named in the article strongly denied any involvement with the senator. cruz told reporters he believes the story comes strait from the trump campaign. an allegation that donald trump denies. saying in a statement he had absolutely nothing to do with the story or the "inquirer." and senator cruz has started to shift from a position he's held since the campaign started. >> yes, no, will you vote for him if he's the nominee? >> i don't make a habit out of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my family. and donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee.

>> nbc campaign editor vaughan is here, ted cruz is still mind but what is the mood inside the ted cruz campaign and how is this all playing out? >> reporter: alex, ted cruz wants to talk about sub stance. that's been margiznalized. after a couple hours of the news cycle, it was wiped off. now we are talking about melania and trump and ted cruz. salt lake city there was supposed to be a debate, donald trump backed out. they haven't had the chance to paint the contrast between ted

cruz and donald trump. so what does cruz do? he plans on doing this in new york, new jersey, california, really it's a matter of taking it to the voters. >> what can you tell us about the strategy in wisconsin in terms of campaign ads, any big endorsements coming up, what should we look for between now and when folks go to vote? >> reporter: well, over the course of that month and a half, we had the first 30 states vote in very much of a club. but now suddenly it's april 5th, a week from tuesday when we see wisconsin. so millions of dollars are going to be put in by the campaign, by the pro cruz super pac. they see an opportunity. we were in jamesville, which is paul ryan's hometown, the other day. we also are in scott walker country and they think they can be scott walker-type of voters, whom we expect an endorsement from scott walker sometime this week. >> vaughan hilliard, thank you so much.

you are traveling with the cruz campaign. i want to talk to a couple of folks following all this very closely about donald trump and ted cruz and the -- i guess politics of scandal. "the chicago sun-time" lynn swede is with us and beth phoey. some people are calling this a race to the bottom. how is this going to play out? >> it really -- race to the bottom is really exactly what it is at this point. it's really kind of a nightmare and a tragedy for reince priebus at the republican national committee who, as you know, three years ago put out the incredible autopsy describing what the republican party would have to do to bring back a winning ticket in the presidency. everything that is going on with trump and cruz violates that in every way. it's alienating virtually every group that the republican party needs to do better with if they hope to win in november. not only that, chris, it's just incredibly self-moric.

it's not presidential, grown up, and really it's quite a nightmare for the republican party. >> we have seen scandals in the past, bill clinton in the '90s, john edward, it's been almost a decade ago now. this is a very different situation. but it's so interesting that you see if donald trump saying, well, i don't really know if this story is true or not, but they've gotten it right before. what do you make of what i would say as a non-denial denial? >> what is different is that when they started, there's the rule in politics you and beth know, when your opponent is melting down, let him or her melt. so what is different is that every knows exactly what donald trump was doing if i might

paraphrase, he knows exactly what he's doing when it comes to a response to his wife, the use of a provocative photo of his wife and puts an unflattering picture of heidi cruz up. that's -- when you talk about the race to the bottom, we have had multiple relays in the last few days to the bottom. not just the allegation of an affair. >> now we have seen, especially in the nbc news/wall street jushl poll the high negatives among women for donald trump. he's tweeting today, beth, and i'm quoting him. the media is so after me on women. wow, this is a tough business. nobody has more respect for women than donald trump. it does look, though, the republican party has to be nervous when they see numbers on that side. >> what will be interesting is

if the race goes the way it looks like right now, that donald trump will be the republican nominee, hillary clinton will be the democratic nominee, you'll go into huge unchartered territory with trump having the record of saying and doing things around -- basically what others have called messaga messagamy. i think we are going to see something very ugly going on in the general election. especially with donald trump running against a presidential candidate whose husband was impeached over a sexual affair. >> we have never had a woman run for president as the nominee of a major party, but we always see questions as the women -- as women were first senator, first vice president candidate when

they go into a debate. how could they be treated? you have to trade very quickly. is there any doubt in your mind that donald trump is not going to trade very carefully because his opponent would be a woman? >> i don't think he has the capability of -- he's uncontrollable. and if he starts mocking hillary clinton for her looks, you know, we know there's this whole -- am i too shrill or not, all women worry about that. in public life, he can't help himself, i think, because he hasn't so far. and i don't -- it's one thing for him to tweet, i respect women, but women see through this. they see how he has to focus on how people look and any mother that has had a kid who has a bully. >> this is just the start of this conversation. good to see you both, though. thank you so much, happy easter.

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six is greater than one changes everything. we are back live in brussels after the terrorist attacks in paris. in belgium they have been carrying out several raids. now the attack at the metro station and airpor how has belgium become so connected to the war on terror? how has it become a recruiting ground for terrorists and jihadi

fighters? now i am joined by an expert on terrorism, how did this become such a hot bed of terror? >> i think it is important to remember that political violence has always existed and will always exist. and the current situation in the middle east, yes, belgium has provided the most significant, the biggest contingent of foreign fighters at the scale of the eu member states. but belgium is not the only country affected. several reason to explain belgian specificity. you have several types of profiles, of course, within the

list. people who have only been vocal about their support for a camp or another in the syrian war. people who have gone to syria to fight for or against daesh. >> daesh is another word for isis. >> so we have a wide array of profiles. and within the list, only a small minority are people who will cross this threshold of committing an act. there is a clear connection between the phenomenon of the belgian foreign fighters and the americans. >> what about their background in general, there's a contingent to simplify. they have had poor upbringing, that they feel somehow separated from society, that they have not been assimilated. what is the truth that? what do we know?

>> we know that the trajectory of radicalization can be very different from one individual from another. yes, there are some political factors. so people could be sensitive to seeing military super powers bombing third world western countries. but this doesn't mean that it will become a terrorist yourself. yes, you can have, you can be sensitive to doctrine and ideologi ideologies, but this is not also a system attic trigger. yes, you can have or feel social grievances because you live in a ghetto-type neighborhood, but all of these things go with the movements. so there's also a psychological factor, which is associated with the early years of life, which can explain why all these potential factors of radicalization will become so

emotional at the individual scales. and something which is arising tendency is the fact that you have all the siblings fighting. >> in so many of the different cases across europe, we saw it in paris and have seen it here. we in the united states saw it back in boston, what is that? >> obviously, this is a tendency, which is more and more visible. the brothers during the marathon in boston in 2015 was one example. the t they suggest something that they shared, a shared sensitivity towards all these potential triggers to radicalization. so this is something of rather -- which is something rather new. and is, of course, bug studied. but this is extremely difficult to serving on this.

baa because you have to enter the family cell and explore the relationship between an offspring and their parents, et cetera, et cetera. so now we see that nothing is especially religious or political. or this is something with various levels of explanations. and, in many cases, something we must, i think, understand is that there is a psychological background linked to early childhood in any culture, in any region of the world, which can make an individual more sensitive to political religious social economic factors of potential radicalization. >> didier leroy, thank you for being with us. still ahead, what the investigators may be learning about the leaders' ties to isis. we'll be right back. then those places change every few months?

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it is 7:40 p.m. and this is a live scene of the memorial growing here with visitors continuing to leave flowers. and tomorrow's march has been postponed after officials are worried about security. faycalc. has been charged with three counts of assassination, the equivalent of murder after being arrested outside the prosecutor's office. let me bring in ryan heath, cu correspondent for politico here. let's talk about the march tomorrow here. everywhere i went in the city today, people were talking about taking part in it. they seem to need what they have not had, which is a carthartic

moment. >> brussels was on the high terror alert and got bumped down. but nothing changed substantially in what is happening on the ground here. the main suspects are still at large. we know there's a very large terror cell including members never been identified by the authorities. so to be a very large number of people into the winding narrow streets of brussels, it is very hard to surveil and control what is going to happen. so the organizers said they will comply with the request. they believe in several weeks time they will do it again and urge citizens not to turn up in mass but to keep believing the philosophy they were promoting, which is we have to live together as one. >> we'll see a lot of people. there's a lot of back and forth on social media. shall we still go and thinking they might go, right? >> i don't think the government will control the movement of individuals. the metro is up and running again. if people want to come into the center of the city, they will do it. but it will be a smaller number and more manageable.

>> there was a lot of controversy about the metro in the aftermath of the attacks. >> yes, we have seen a lot of drama in the after hours. the interior minister, january jambon, said the decision was taken at 8:50 a.m. that the metro should be shut down. we knew at that time no one in the metro had gotten the message until 9:04 a.m. so a 14-minute turn around. the metro officially denied they ever received the instruction to shut down. and what that means is for 73 minutes after the bomb went off in the airport, normal services kon kon continued to run in the metro in brussels. so there are big questions right now about what would have happened if action had been taken sooner and there would be big questions for the minister tomorrow as the blame game gets set out on who should have set the order, who should have told them to stop the trains and get people out.

it doesn't look good for the belgian government right now. >> the level of fighting here and the finger pointing is unbelievable. ryan heath, thank you so much. >> thank you. there could be between three and five terror cells still active in europe according to one security expert. he says another attack in europe could be coming as soon as this summer. here's part of my conversation with him. >> we don't know how many different cells are out there. we know they are increasingly all over the world, but in terms of this investigation, how do you think it's going? and what are the key unanswered questions in how many people are still out there? >> the question question still, i think, are who decided this i do dialogue. i think this was a decision of isis chiefs because this is a strategic attack. >> you think this was guided,

planned, financed in syria. >> certainly, yes. what we see is that between july and october '15, isis used all its means, human traffic assaults, foot soldiers and bombmakers in europe and there are probably dozens of those. it was clearly a decision at the central level, the highest level at at the central level in t the -- in isis. >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff announced they had gotten the number two man, the finance minister in isis, which also raises the question, was he someone who would have known about this operation? or would it have cost such a small money that the group could have financed on their own?

>> this is 20 people or so. this was done in syria and iraq and was the total awareness of the highest level in isis. afterwards those people in europe on the road probably rely on themselves and probably rely on their own friends in criminal circles to get the money they need, the weapons they need, cars and so on. two levels. >> so you've said that is one unanswered question, where the direction came from. are there others? >> of course, yes. we know at least one important man in the logistics will be -- is still at large. we know the history of the cell

that happened in brussels is over. because the bombmaker was killed in iraq. so they can do a lot of things except steal weapons. but what we need to know as soon as possible is how many other cells are active today in europe. because we feel that there are a lot, between three or five. that means that they could execute maybe three of five or six persons in a very short time in the coming months before the summer, probably. >> and what are the chances that based on some of the information that they're gaining from what happened in paris and here in brussels, that they can find some of the cells? >> it's impossible to know. because it seems that those people are proficient.

people were in the army, secret services, and when the vision of iraq after one or two years -- those were the the most against the u.s. so those people are clearly professional. so it's impossible to know if all the people france said know each other. you could have a cell active in brussels and paris knowing the citizens in germany without the knowledge of having to contact them and where they are. next hour more of my conversation with claude monique. we'll talk about the importance of the bombmaker and the sophistication of tuesday's attacks. also still ahead, what muslim communities here and back in the u.s. are doing to fight

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we are back live in brussels and the latest development is the march of solidarity for tomorrow has been postponed. the the concern among others is that it would pull police away from investigating the attacks. there was also the question of whether it can handle the crowd of thousands winding their way through the narrow streets. the idea of solidarity against terrorism was the same idea preached at mosques across brussels to come together to stand up to terror. i talked to a group of young men at a mosque near here. >> they have killed more muslim than the people from the other

groups. i have been told that it will be a human being at first and i -- you can see in my eyes that i have not been sleeping very well from what has been going on. >> joining me now is the co-founder of the american islamic congress. thank you so much for joining us. i thought it was really interesting as i talked to the three men yesterday all about the age of those who have been taken into custody. they said before anyone could even react to seeing them, they start to say, yes, i am muslim

and explain what it is to be muslim. something that had never occurred to me to even think of doing before. and i wonder if you're seeing any similar events? >> we have seen similar events after 9/11 and action against muslims was varying between different places. there are some people who can come to show solidarity and support. and i remember after 9/11 what came in and the female came in solidarity behind me, which was good. but this killed many people in

so many different places has taken its toll. so all of the action that we see is basically because of the violence and the islamists who are committing these actions who make us in the middle between feeling angry and sad about what is really happening with this violent attack. at the same time, on the other side, some people get many muslims -- many muslims are to blame. but it is very important to have our voice loud and clear. we are against radical islam, against these terrorists. we are in solidarity and we stand loyal to our nation and show that we are living on. and we stand strong against these attacks by the radical islams. >> so what do you make of what you hear on the campaign trail

now, including a proposal by senator ted cruz that neighborhoods where muslims live will be patrolled? >> well, this is actually going or is good for both sides. protection of muslims comes as part of it. at the same time, there are other attacks on muslims or also control of any suspicious attack by radical islamists. actually, this is going to serve all communities because we are going to try to keep the community safe and not be attacked by radicals. >> thank you so much for being on. >> thank you. we'll have much more from here in brussels. next we'll talk to a top fbi official into the investigation into last tuesday's attacks and what they have learned to prevent future attacks. and we are following what is

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good afternoon. it is 3:00 p.m. on the east coast. but here in brussels, belgium, it is 8:00 p.m. and tonight the crowds are still coming. we have flags, candles, flowers. in fact, we have the stock exchange, the old stock exchange building here. there are flags of dozens of countries. people have been chanting, singing, praying together. but tomorrow's demonstration of solidarity, which they were calling a march against fear, has now been canceleded. after e