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acknowledge. and that is the debate is over climate change is real. it is caused by human activity. and it is already doing devastating problems to our country and around the world. we have a moral responsibility to leave to leave this planet in a way that is healthy and inhabitable for future generations. and together, together, we are going to take on the fossil fuel
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industry. we are going to tell them that their short-term profits are not more important than the future of our planet. this campaign is listening to young people. and young people are asking me, they say bernie, how does it happen? our parents and teachers told us to get the best education that we can. everybody told us that we live in a competitive global economy. we need the best educated work force in this world. and yet when we did the right thing, when we got that education we ended up 30, 50,
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$100,000 in debt. here is another simple truth. and this campaign is about telling the truth. 15 years ago you had a high school degree, you could go out in this economy and probably get yourself a damn good job at decent pay. 50 years ago. the world has changed. the economy has changed. technology has changed. today in many respects a college degree is the equivalent of what a high school degree was 50 years ago. and that is why when we look at public education today it is not good enough to just have free schools, free public schools from first grade to 12th grade.
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in the year 2016 we need to make our colleges and universities tuition-free! this is not a radical idea. don't let anybody tell you this is a radical idea. the exists in germany. it exists in other european countries. in scandinavia. and you know what? 50 years ago it existed in the united states of america where our great universities and colleges were virtually tuition-free. if we could do this 50 years ago we can do it today.
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and here is what we have got to accomplish. i grew up in a family where my parents did not go to college. all over the country, you have kids for the fourth grade, the eighth grade, their parents never went to college. i want those kids to know that if they do well in school, take school seriously, yes, regardless of the income of their family they will be able to get a college education. and in addition we have got to significantly lower student debt in this country. all over this country, people young and not so young, talked
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to a woman in new hampshire she is paying off her own student debt and her daughter's student debt. talked to a guy in nevada, he has been paying off debt for years, more in debt today than what he took out. what we have got to do is allow people who have student debt to refinance that debt at the lowest interest rate they can find. now, my opponents say the establishment media has given away all the free stuff, free tuition, lowering student debt, how are we going to pay for it? well, let me tell you how we're going to pay for it. this is why we have to think about the status quo that the corporate option gives us. eight years ago as a result of
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the greed and recklessness and the illegal behavior on wall street, this country as you know was plunged into the worst economic downturn since the great depression. many people lost their life savings and their jobs. we bailed out wall street. well, i think now is the time to impose the wall street speculation. if the middle class could bail out wall street it's wall street's time to help the working families of this country. we've got republican senators
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and everybody else running all over the country talking about family values, how much they love families. i want everybody here to be clear about what republicans mean when they talk about the family values and what that is. that a woman doesn't have a right to control her own body. i disagree. what they mean is that our gay brothers and sisters should not have the right to be married. i disagree.
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jane and i have been married 27 years, actually our anniversary is coming up pretty soon. thank you for reminding me. 27 years, when i give this speech maybe i'll remember my anniversary date. and we have four great kids and seven beautiful grandchildren. and there is nobody in the world who believes in family more than my wife. me, too. but she does more. but when we talk about family values our values are very different than republican family values. we talk about ending the international embarrassment of the united states being the only major country on earth not to guarantee paid family and medical leave.
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you want to talk about family values? today in wisconsin, today in vermont, women are giving birth, big day for the family. big day for the baby. but here is the reality. if that woman in vermont or that woman in wisconsin does not have a lot of money she will in a few weeks' time be forced to separate herself from that newborn baby, go back to work in order to earn enough income to take care of her family. that is not a family value. that is the opposite of a family value. and that is why we will pass legislation in congress guaranteeing three month's paid family medical leave.
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now, i have been criticized for saying this in the past so let me say it again. in my view, health care is a right, not a privilege. i am a member of the affordable health care committee, it has done a lot of good things for this country but we still have a long way to go. today we remain the only country
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in the industrialized world, germany has health care for all. the u.k., france, scandinavia, canada, italy, you name it. every country guarantees health care to all except the united states. together, we are going to end that. in america today, 29 million americans have no health insurance. many of you are under-insured with high deductibles and high co-payments. and every day we are being ripped off, unconscionably by the drug companies who charge us the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. and on top of all of that we end of paying far, far higher prices
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for prescription drugs than any other country on earth. if elected president we will move forward to a medicare for all single payer health care systems. and when we do that, we guarantee comprehensive health care to all and we save middle class families thousands of dollars a year on their health care bill. now, my friends, everybody here knows that real change never takes place from the top on down. it is always from the bottom on up.
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that is the lesson of american history. it is the lesson of world history. hundred-plus years ago when workers in this country were being ruthlessly exploited, being overworked and underpaid they stood up and said we are not animals. we are human beings, we are going to form trade unions. and we owe our brothers and sisters in the trade union movement, we owe them a whole lot for helping to create a 40 of hour work week and helping to create the middle class of this country. and let me tell governor walker, he may have won a short lived victory here against the unions but that short-term victory will not stand in the long run. we are going to rebuild the
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trade union agreements. the history of the civil rights movement is about over centuries, african-americans and their allies coming together to say that in this country racism and segregation and bigotry will not stand. we are going to change that dynamic in american society. and in that fight for civil rights and ending racism we don't know how many people died or went to jail or were beaten, but that is how change comes about. 100 years ago women in america, people forget this.
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100 years ago, a very short time, an historical perspective 100 years ago women did not have the right to vote. to go to the schools they wanted. to do the work their wanted. 100 years ago. but women and their male allies stood up, fought back, went to jail, went on hunger strikes. in some cases, died. to say that in america women will not be second class citizens. we will take on sexism. we were in this room seven years ago. no time at all. somebody jumps up and says you know, bernie, i think that by the year 2015 gay marriage will
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be legal in 50 states in this country. the person next to them would have said what are you smoking? you are nuts. we have been listening to bernie sanders speaking there at madis madison, wisconsin, it was a barn-burner of a speech, on a night that has been very good for bernie sanders. he talked in that speech about economic equality, police reform and changing the system, he also spoke about his victories. you see it there. while he was speaking we broke in to call washington state the biggest delegate-state tonight. he won, then alaska he won earlier tonight, as well. the democratic caucus there by 79%. i want to play for you the moment when bernie sanders essential lly learned in realti on air that he had won the
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washington caucus, because we had already begun speaking. we were there in wisconsin, and then simone sanders, one of his press aides, came on stage. take a look, just moments ago. >> you ready for a news alert? we just won the state of washington! >> there you have it. bernie sanders, that was moments ago, simone sanders, his press agent, who told his wife who came up and told him. i want to go to madison, wisconsin. john, your thoughts on what we're seeing here in a state you know so well. >> well, sanders came into the state today obviously looking for a place to have a victory party.
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hoping that he would get some good results, knowing that madison would turn out well for him. the crowd was there and the energy was incredibly high. remember, sanders has had lots of up and downs. you know, he has had good nights and bad nights. but he had a very good one this night. and to be able to announce it for front of that massive cheering crowd i think was -- you could tell he was very upbeat, even as he was coming in. you know, it's very interesting. you saw a side of him that i think folks don't always see. he was on his cell phone, he was asking about results and returns. he really wanted to go up and declare that victory. as you saw it he went up a little bit before he was able to declare it but then he got the announcement on stage which probably gave you your best shot. >> that is certainly true. look, he seemed very excited. he has had a good day with these two states and lopsided
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caucuses, putting delegates on board. but he is often mocked for what some call a cranky nature. there was not crankiness, but there was sort of a combativeness, which is different than cranky. he talked about republican governors and really came out in a strong way and put it specifically with regard to the governor of wisconsin. take a look. >> i say to governor walker and all of the other cowardly republican governors if you cannot win or participate this a free and fair election where everybody votes, get out of politics. get a new job! >> and you hear a huge applause. john nicoles, what is he speaking to there? >> well, you know and i think
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your viewers know wisconsin has been in a five-year struggle over labor rights starting in 2007, when governor scott walker implemented a budget repair bill that really sabotaged the union rights and made it harder to maintain unions. that battle has gone on since then. walker and his supporters implemented a right-to-work law, which made it harder for the rivals to work in the state. and there has been a fight over this. when bernie sanders spoke to this crowd in madison, which is a very pro-union town, after having been introduced to a number of speakers including the mayor of madison and the former head of the aflcio, the crowd was obviously very excited about that. but i think that is an interesting thing that will happen in the next few days in wisconsin. hillary clinton has also been very, very pointed in her criticisms of governor walker,
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as well. so you're seeing that governor walker, while the republicans, a couple of the republicans may be vying for his endorsement on the democratic side going after governor walker is very, very smart policy. democrats do not like the guy. >> right, as you speak, john, we're looking at live pictures of bernie sanders having finished the victory speech, flanked by the secret service but making his way through the crowd. you can see it there. again, a boisterous crowd, again, we're seeing a joyful bernie sanders, stay with us, i want to bring in another voice we haven't heard yet. the political reporter for "the los angeles times" aaron mcpike, your thoughts on what we see
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here for bernie sanders. >> yeah, it definitely was a great night for bernie sanders. one thing we saw, in some peach he deliver understand madison it was also peppered with things like momentum, tonight was a great night and we're looking forward to wisconsin on the horizon. i mean, it was a battle there in washington state that he won. but you know, these are not winner take all states. these are proportional states and hillary clinton will get delegates out of this and continue her lead over bernie sanders. but one thing that was interesting was for him to talk about the momentum he has and the outlook for the future that he has in the spring. >> yeah, aaron, the proportional fight, being up in 70% land is a pretty good place to be. >> no question, and no question that it was a great day for bernie sanders. i actually just got an e-mail
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from a clinton source who said we expected this. this is always going to be his best day of the campaign. it's three fairly white caucuses. and that is sanders' turf. they also point out that of the remaining contests left the number 50 delegates that are left to award and then of all the delegates left to award about half of them are coming from big states like new york, new jersey, california. and also wisconsin. i would say coming up, if bernie sanders doesn't win wisconsin that is going to stem the tide of this momentum that he has gotten today. >> right, and he is down, joy reid, six points in wisconsin. but he has plenty of political energy on the democratic side. >> it is not dissimilar from iowa, in that the democratic vote tends to be a quite liberal vote, obviously a state with a labor movement. the cradle of the labor movement. that makes it a bernie sanders state. i was looking at the numbers,
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87.6% white, 6% black. that is a favorable demographic for bernie sanders, just based on what we've seen so far. that didn't quite work up to that in the states so far. but in wisconsin it's an open primary state and that is really important for bernie sanders because he tends to lose the democratic vote in these states but tends to win the independent vote so in states where independents can weigh in, he tends to win in. and the next opportunity for a big delegate hall is new york which has 291 delegates on offer. but it's a much more diverse state and a primary. >> and i want to say to our viewers farther out west, aloha, the race is under way. a long way from results. that is the third state and another caucus where bernie sanders is expected to do well, curtis. >> yeah, absolutely, we'll see more results from there tonight. and certainly it is racking up
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to be a good day for sanders. i talked to folks on both sides that say they expect it to be one of his best days in the campaign and it's certainly shaping up to be that and we'll have to watch and see what turns out in hawaii later on tonight. >> all right, well, we have just come off a big speech by bernie sanders, a breaking news speech as i mentioned. in the middle of it he pivoted from celebrating in alaska to announcing the projected victory in washington state. one more state here on the board that we're watching, hawaii, as i said those caucuses just under way. i want the thank all of our guests, a big day and big evening here. we want to tell you all at home two big events coming up on msnbc. at 7:00, wednesday, chuck todd has a town hall with john kasich. and now, sitting down with the donald himself in green bay, wisconsin, those two town halls are wednesday on msnbc.
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platform. a national megaphone, and so i ask each and every one of you from now to the election day to devote your time to picking up the phone and calling your family and friends and loved ones to getting as many people to show up as possible. >> that is ted cruz, getting ready for the wisconsin primary, less than two weeks ago. april 5th, he is right. a critical one he is right. all eyes are on it. it is crucial to the question that hangs over the entire republican campaign. and that is simply this. can donald trump hit that magical number in the primaries so that he gets the nomination at the republican convention in cleveland or can the stop trump forces keep him from hitting that number and create the open convention where they could take the nomination from him? so we want to look with that in mind at the big board here. and what you see is where the republican race goes from here. these are the states that have yet to vote. there are 17 of them. and what i want to show you here
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is the scenario where donald trump gets to that number. gets to the magic number, so there it is. 1237. that is where trump needs to get. now where is he? this is give or take, but he has roughly 577 delegates right now. let's take three off the board, nebraska, south dakota, montana. why resideare we taking them of board? winner take off. for the purposes of this exercise let's call those cruz states. okay, now let's look at wisconsin the next state up. let's say donald trump wins wisconsin. the way the delegate rules work there that would probably be good. even with a narrow win, probably good for about 30 delegates. that will take him to 785. okay, where does he look next? the action would then shift to
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the northeast, donald trump has been doing really well here and nearly hit 50% in massachusetts, earlier in new york, his home state. new jersey, winner take all. west virginia really fitting the profile of a trump state. so donald trump really could take 260 delegates out of this region. if he does that he is sitting at 1045. where does he go next? before we go to the pacific coast we go to indiana. i don't know how i could forget the hoosier state. let's say trump gets a narrow there and getting to 30. now, these states right now could set up as favorable to trump. there is a poll which shows him 11 points ahead in california, could have a slight advantage in oregon and washington. very conceivable that trump takes 150 delegates out of those three states, you add 150 to this, where does he sit? 1225. he is getting very close to
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1237. look, another vote in new mexico. if he had a good night in new mexico what you're seeing here if this is the path for donald trump, if he is doing well here definitely clearing the 1237. as it is under this scenario he just getting there. but here is the question. what if he loses wisconsin? what if ted cruz takes wisconsin or those 30 delegates and not trump? what if cruz wins indiana and not trump. what if cruz does better and takes a few more delegates, what if cruz or john kasich does that as well. what if donald trump is not at 1237 or 1225, what if he is under 1200 or 1150, whatti if h is short of that number, if he is short of a wide margin and we get that open convention can the republicans take the nomination away from him?
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comcast business. built for business. it's been really an amazing night. there is nothing so exciting as this stuff. i want to thank the people of louisiana. it's been just an amazing relationship. >> that was donald trump celebrating after winning the louisiana primary earlier this month. but not so fast, because now we're learning that trump, despite getting more votes in louisiana than anybody else that he may end up being awarded fewer delegates in that state than ted cruz. "the wall street journal" indicating how the number of unbound delegates could line up
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behind ted cruz giving him more delegates in the state even though he lost to donald trump. giving the delegates suddenly matters a lot more. it could make a big difference in cleveland at the republican convention. joining me to talk about it, mark murray, and sashaize -- sasha eisenberg, with his story, how to win the nomination from donald trump. so sasha, we set up a scenario where donald trump comes up short of the 1237. so let's say we get through the primaries and he has 1150. pull the number out of the air, take it from there. how do the republicans take the nomination from him? >> so under that situation you would go through the first ballot and the question is what would happen on a second ballot. so what we saw in louisiana is something that the cruz campaign and possibly others although the cruz campaign seems more effective at it, is make sure
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that people who arrive in cleveland, trump delegates, their conscience is elsewhere or they can be kind of dealt with, or they can be for lack of a better term, bought off through some promise or that they're locally to somebody else who can control how they vote. there are things that can be done through changes in the rules and the contests and credential committees, as they're known. so part of getting say non-trump people seated as delegates from various states is not just how they will vote on the ballot for the nomination but making sure that if there are changes to the procedures that end up benefitting non-trump candidates that those people are loyal to the certain effort -- >> if i have this right, basically donald trump could get there and have a majority of the pledged delegates. they're pledged to vote for him.
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but some of those delegates actually don't support him even though they're pledged to back him. and then they basically institute a kind of rules change before that vote to frees him up. >> if he doesn't have the 1237 then most of them will become free on the second ballot or third ballot on their state party rules it would not require a change to the rules to open up the opportunity for those people to basically become free agents even if they arrived in cleveland as trump delegates. there are opportunities to change the rules otherwise. i mean, i think the basic -- the only rule that applies here is if the rnc leadership and a significant portion of state party people decide that they want to deny donald trump the nomination at all costs? i'm not sure it even matters whether he has gotten the 1237 elected delegates. there is basically an opportunity to rewrite the basic rules of the convention to
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guarantee any outcome you want. >> okay, so that is the basic mechanics of it. if they start to move in that direction here is a preview of what donald trump is going to say. here is how he is addressing the question right now. >> the majority is a tough thing when you have all of these people, it's mathematically unfair. now, if i have millions of votes more and somebody is down four or 500, i think it's tough to take these people out of the system. >> hey, how strong is that argument from trump? i have millions more votes, how can this republican party scheme to take the nomination away from me and give it to somebody else? >> yeah, donald trump has two weapons that he wants to deploy. the first laid out by our colleagues, ari melber and katy tur, is that if donald trump is maybe ten, 20, 30 short of the
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1237, that you can be short, the person could even be secretary of interior, that they would be able just needing a fraction of the unbound delegates to essentially come in at 1237. so that is one scenario to they could end up having. the other is just using almost kind of the promise of a rhetorical or political nuclear weapon where donald trump has said hey, my people are going to riot in the streets of cleveland if i have more delegates than anyone else, won more states than anyone else and somehow i'm denied the nomination. and if you are an opponent of donald trump, you're a republican who doesn't want to see him. you're left with bad choices. if on the one hand donald trump gets the nomination, on the other hand, you're left with a fractured party, and donald trump imploring his voters not to vote for them in the fall or for hillary clinton to stand out i think republicans are left
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with bad options if you're a republican who doesn't want to see donald trump at the top of the ticket. >> it sounds like if they go down this road they basically decide they would be okay with losing the general election. because there is a good chance trump would go out with what you're saying and cost him the election. >> yes, but on the other hand, other republicans deem him the other way. so there really is no good option if you think that donald trump is a threat to the party. if you actually think he is bad news in november, you're left with bad option a and bad option b. the hope for republicans is that you know what? donald trump will do much better than the current polling suggests. he will be able to do very well and able to over-perform in the midwest and some of the industrial states and be fine. but steven, it's delegate math. every person ends up mattering, particularly even if donald trump can get maybe ten or 15 short of the 1237. what we saw in louisiana and what we'll see elsewhere is
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where the party actually can decide where people who want to be party actors who want to help ted cruz or john kasich, hurt donald trump, could be able to use their levers of power to do so. you have every free throw counts, the side that actually is maybe not a good free throw team only shooting 60% from the line that could be very big trouble in a close game. >> and sasha, we're short on time. but i want to ask you a question here if we get to the convention, what is more likely if republicans go with somebody besides trump, that it's one of the candidates out there, john kasich or ted cruz or that it's somebody else? >> my assumption is it would be somebody else, who wants to step up and take that? you talk about mark's two bad options. i'm not sure this is how paul ryan wants to become the nominee of his party is inheriting this
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in wisconsin, it is a critical battleground. wisconsin is looking at the primary. >> they're going to hold the primary this tuesday, a week from april 5th. bernie sanders, on the democratic side is hoping to turn the tide against hillary clinton with a win against a big state. clinton hopes to shut the door once and for all on sanders' chances on the democratic nomination. on the republican side, donald trump hoping to break away from
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ted cruz and john kasich and to put himself on a much firmer and much clearer path to hitting that magic number of 1237 and avoided the dreaded open convention. joining me now, john nichols, national correspondent, craig, i'll start with you on the republican side. there was a poll that came out in wisconsin that basically showed a tie between ted cruz and donald trump, john kasich lagging a bit. there is a lot of speculation out there about the role that scott walker, the governor may play in this primary. no indication needed. of course donald trump, the question is will he get behind cruz, how much would he get behind cruz and would that matter with wisconsin republicans, what do you think? >> well, if he does endorse anybody i think it would be cruz, i think he is trying to think of how much effect it will have. one reason why wisconsin does matter is that it's a level playing field.
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it has great demographics for donald trump but he has not been polling there. you have two weeks to wage a campaign where the stop trump people can wage a lot on television. and there is a lot of opposition to donald trump in the >> let me ask but the democratic side. so tell me if this is the perception of wisconsin. college students in madison, union workers, russ finegold, this should be a dream state for bernie sanders. is that fair? >> i think it is a better state for bernie sanders than a lot. rare is the state where he come in having polled relatively evenly with hillary clinton for last, you know, four or five months. and so yeah. it is competitive. there's something you need to understand about wisconsin. we have rural democrats. we have small city democrats. we have, you know, campus and big city urban democrats. the party is all over the state.
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and one thing that i think a lot of national folks may not understand is that this is the first state since iowa and new hampshire where both hillary clinton and bernie sanders have visited a lot over the last 10, 15 years. i've been in small towns in this state with hillary clinton and in small towns with bernie sanders. the fact is they each have deep connections. they know a lot of people. so i think you'll see a knock-down drag-out battle. clinton has announce that had she'll be in with four events at the start of next week in all the right cities all over the state. sanders is in on the weekend and he'll be here through much of the week. so they're both in a state where they think they can win. but i would counsel caution on assuming that somebody, just because of some demographics or some things we know, that puts somebody ahead. i'll warn you about one thing from 1976.
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everybody thought this was a great state for mo udall. on primary night, it. he had won. when trurl votes came in the next morning, jimmy carter held up the headlines saying he had won and it was wisconsin that sent him on the way to the nomination. >> and it was after one of those losses, the voters have spoken. >> let me ask you about the bigger picture implications. bernie sanders needs some wins here if he is going to play catch-up. more than, that he needs big wins. do you see any realivityic chance he could catch her? >> he has a long climb to go on the delegate side. i don't think anybody would deny that. but i always caution a bit of care on the delegate count. hillary clinton is the clear front-runner. she has got tremendous advantages there. what sanders needs is momentum. how he does in washington state this weekend, how he does in
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wisconsin, these things matter. this campaign is still going and viable. so wisconsin becomes very important for him as a message to the states beyond. >> and craig on the republican side, john kasich is there at 20% in the polls. ted cruz has been saying he wants the one-on-one with donald trump. he thinks kasich is getting in his way. is that donald trump's potential ace in the hole? john kasich? >> it could be. some of the stop trump people do fear those two candidates sort of splitting the anti-trump vote. with only three candidates in the race, donald trump has had a ceiling in wisconsin of 30, 35. unless they split that vote right down the middle, there is no reason why either kasich or cruz, more likely cruz, can't come in and win in wisconsin. so i think if you're donald trump, you know, this is a state, the kind of state you've
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told people you can win in november. if you don't, i think that's a blow to your campaign. if you do win it, it is a state where you manage to break all the rules. and rewrite the political map and win in a very unconventional way in a state. >> all right. craig gilbert with the sentinel. and still ahead, why a donald trump nomination could be huge for democrats.
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the thought of donald trump at the top of the republican ticket has some party leaders scrambling to protect the republicans' hold on congress. some gop donors are trying to prevent a massive loss of seats in the senate and the house. jonathan, practically speaking, is that something that can be done in this day and age? if donald trump is the republican candidate for president ferks up there on the stage in the fall, he's the one they're talking about. can republicans below him really separate from him? >> they're sure going to try.
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particularly in those competitive senate races in new hampshire and in wisconsin and illinois and other places. i think there's going to be a big effort to distance. some republicans want to put up another candidate for president. a third party or nonparty presidential candidate so candidates can attach themselves to that person rather than trump if trump is the nominee. >> what about the idea, we were talking about this. if donald trump pivots. he actually has, we've talked about this a little bit. he has staked out some positions at least in this primary. there are a lot more moderate republican candidates. a lot more moderate than republicans have been spouting in past presidential elections. is he capable of pivoting, stylistically into a way that he wouldn't be the kind of liability these republican leaders think he is? >> i would say in another way. escapable of a putriple axle. he supports higher taxes on the
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wealthy. this is somebody who can try to appeal to democrats. whether or not people, voters actually stick with him only pivot or that triple axle is another question. >> 37 on walk a fine line. he's demonstrated a pretty sizable race themselves would risk alienating that as well. >> it is really a pickle, in terms trying to keep the senate. i don't think the republican house is in danger. it doesn't look that way now. check back in in okay if donald trump is the nominee. they're going to try to heal the party and keep the party together at the state level. at the national level fracturing. >> if democrats were able to get some kind of tsunami to take back the house this november, it would be very much in danger for them in 2018. that's way down the line. jonathan allen, thank you for the time and thanks for watching. i'm steve kornacki and you're
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