have a very happy easter. we'll be back next week because no matter what the holiday is, if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." good afternoon. i'm chris janseng, 3:00 on the east coast, 9:00 in brussels. night has fallen and we are live which today was supposed to be the end point for a peaceful easter sunday solidarity march. it was canceled over security concerns. instead, police in riot gear faced down 400 people dressed all in black as they marched into the city carrying with them anti-terror and anti-isis

barriers. hundreds of riot police closed in to move them back as the group known to police as nation threw things at authorities. here you see water cannons being used to disperse the marchers. eventually a dozen people were arrested without any serious violence but amid rising tensions on the streets here in brussels. today's events all happening as belgian officials were 34e7ksing a series of rates. 13 rates, 9 taken into custody, 5 later released. secretary of state john kerry expressed concern about more attacks on european soil. >> well, i think everybody's concerned because for several years now foreign fighters have been returning from syria or from other locations and implanting themselves in the communities and this is the threat that we've all been aware

of. >> and today another deadly suicide bombing. this time terror struck in lajor, pakistan. police say 63 people are dead, mostly women and children. more than 300 more have been injured in the attack at a children's park on easter sunday. it was crowded with christians celebrating easter. let us start here in brussels. i'm joined by nbc's political correspondent, bill neely. we watched this violence unfold earlier today. it played out in 45 minutes. what have you been able to learn? >> reporter: yes, chris, tempers were pretty raw today. the mayor of brussels has said in a statement, i'm appalled at the thugs who came to provoke people at the site of their memorial, the memorial right

behind us covered. on tuesday, around 400 people arrived here dressed in black, some of them had balaclavas. they were not peaceful demonstrators. they did not come for peaceful reasons. they came as the mayor said, to pro vote their right wingers. they said some pretty ugly things to the muslim people here commemorating their dead and there was one well-known teacher here in brussels. police ended up using water cannon. they were probably up to nothing. it was a pretty ugly moment or hour on a day when there should have been a commemoration march, a march against fear.

that march ironically had to be canceled. police said they didn't have enough men to protect the march. in the end dozens of riot police were here to disperse that cry that converged here. not the kind of easter sunday that anyone wanted here, especially after this appalling week. >> yeah, it was so strange because both of the groups were holding signs gets isis. they have very different approaches to how they think that should be achieved. in the meantime, we mentioned these new raids. bring us up to date, will you, bill, on the latest on the investigation here? >> yeah. so there were 13 house raids today, nine people were arrested. five people were questioned and released actually pretty quickly. we understand that in our people are still being questioned and we don't know whether they have any connection with the brussels

bombings or, indeed, the paris attacks because of course the two sets of isis atrocities are linked. three men charged with the most serious terrorist offenses. one man in particular, faycal cheffou. he's charged with murder, belonging to a terrorist organization. again, we don't know what connection he may have, if anything, to the paris attacks. police are said he wasn't a bad actor. the man who was seen on video who had just been shot in the leg in the brussels suburb of

schaerbeek, he has also now been charged with terrorism, although we don't know what specific terrorist activity that charge refers to. there have been dozens of raids. almost certainly this isn't over the. the belgium prime minister and francoise hollande and while saying this is being attacked and wound up, they are warning that more attacks may follow. just a couple of days ago isis released two videos, one of which featured two belgians who specifically threatened more attacks and said this is just the beginning. so as we saw today, chris, it's a city very much on the edge. a city where tempers are raw and a city that is braced for more attacks. chris? >> emotions are raw as well. bill neil ely, thank you so muc

for that report. there is debate over the u.s. role in europe's security. hillary clinton and donald trump clashing over whether the u.s. should rethink its involvement in nato. during a counter terrorism address last week at stanford clinton warned against trump's opposition to the military alliance. >> turning our back on our alliances or turning our alliance into a protection racket would reverse decades of bipartisan american leadership and send a dangerous signal to friend and foe alike. putin already hopes to divide europe. if mr. trump gets his way, it'll be like christmas in the kremlin. >> but today on abc's this week, trump ducked down on his position that nato is obsolete. >> we have the threat of terrorism and nato doesn't discuss terrorism.

nato is not meant for terrorism. nato is -- it's obsolete and it's extremely expensive and we should readjust nato. >> meanwhile, senator ted cruz on his plans to defeat isis. >> if i'm president, we will utterly and completely destroy isis. we will carpet bomb them into oblivion using overwhelming air power. >> and weighing in for the administration, secretary of state john kerry on the rhetoric being used across the political landscape. >> everywhere i go, every leader i meet they ask about what is happening in america. some of the questions posed to me, it's clear to me what's happening is an embarrassment to our country. >> joining me here in brussels, tara palmieri and in paris,

foreign correspondent christopher dickey. great to see both of you here, terror in the center of the e.u., the european parliament is here. is there nervousness about it? >> they're fearful they'll become the next ukraine. europe heavily depends on nato so talk about this is definitely sending chills around europe. there's a lot of fear that because europe runs to the center left that president trump would be difficult to work with. >> what are you hearing, chris, about this side of the atlantic and what would the possible repercussions be if there were serious conversation about the

united states basically strategically changing the face of nato? >> reporter: well, i don't think anybody really thinks that the united states is going to do that, but this feeds into a whole sort of malaise, to use a french word, about american reliability. europe is counting on the american alliance, part of the northern atlantic treaty organization ever since world war ii. now it says a demagogue is running for president. we should just pull out, it's too expensive. okay. it is good helping contain russia which is ever more expensive. when russia -- putin talks about feeling like it's christmas in the kremlin, okay. it's not a terrorist fighting organization but there are other organizations that need to be

developed more. not by getting out of nato. it's a typical nonpopulus sec which ter. people who don't know anything about terrorism will say, ah, mr. trump sounds good but he doesn't to anybody who has half a brain. >> we should say however that donald trump isn't the only one who haase raised concerns about nato particularly in western europe. spending has dropped 13%. they're supposed to contribute 2% of g.d.p. very few do that. >> sure. maybe, maybe let's give trump the benefit of the doubt. squeeze europe into paying a bigger part of the share of the costs of nato. in fact, president obama was saying in his famous atlantic

interview that he thought france and britton had gone along. yeah, there are issues, but those issues can be addressed in ways that don't threaten to pull out of nato altogether and don't raise in the minds of the american people the credibility of the existence of the organization. >> america has always been significant. obviously a leadership role that is on parallel. i've spoken to you over the last several days. every person on the ground is hyper aware of what's going on. to the point of what i think are pretty minute details. some of the conversations, they are following it so very closely. what's been your experience as political on the ground in

europe. >> it's always the topic of conversation at every dinner table, everyone asks. what do you think? is this for reason real? if there is a president trump will it be like this? would the congress let his reforms pass? there's definitely a lot of concern, especially about nato, just the relationship between europe and the u.s. there's a tea tip dole. if there is a president who's not for that. they really need to speed that up before november. there's just a fear that the relationship -- europeans love obama. they fear they're going to lose that kind of relationship with the u.s. by having a president who is less concerned about european affairs. >> let me close with you, chris.

you've been on the ground, something like 20 years you've lived in france. i was wondering if you sense a difference in the level of interest, level of understanding, the closeness with which europeans are following the american election, chris. >> reporter: well, these are frightening times in europe for a lot of reasons, the economy isn't great. the terrorism threat has been brewing. you have the push by russia into ukraine and the threats to the baltics. all of this going on makes people nervous. they'd like to think that their makes them look. we've all seen the videos of trump and -- with wrestling. we've all seen him doing absurd

things. europeans look at this, they don't just scratch their heads, they shake their heads as if they're looking at the doom of the world. they really see it as an incredibly resistant. that's not going to take care of isis but that is going to cause a horrific blae back around the world. i think they are looking at a situation where they believe they are reasonable people, europeans. they are looking at an american political situation that is extraordinarily unreasonable, theatrical. >> christopher dickey, kyle palmieri, thank you very much for coming out. when our coverage continues on brussels, we'll see what the

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he told supporters there last night that he has momentum and is confident he will win the democratic nomination. >> we are making significant in roads in secretary clinton's lead and we have -- and we have, with your support coming here in wisconsin, we have a path toward victory! >> so he closed the gap, but even after this weekend's three victories, sanders still trails clinton by nearly 700 delegates. msnbc cal perry is following it. good weekend but with a 700 point spread the odds are still against him. what's the campaign plan going forward? >> reporter: the campaign is striking on momentum. they're taking the day off in vermont, but not really a day

off as far as tv exposure. he's been on all the major national tv programs and he's been talking about super delegates. you, of course, mentioned the difficult math. if he can get the super delegates, many who are in the camp for clinton, the math changes. look at the margin of victory i've had, washington and alaska. we're talking about 70% of the vote, 80% of the vote. he's pushing this super delegate angle trying to sway them back into his camp. looking forward to wisconsin and new york, a place where he claims moment field advantage saying i'm from brooklyn. that's the edge over hillary clinton there. >> meantime, there's this kind of potential controversy i guess you could say brewing there. these two yet to be scheduled debates, the clinton and sanders campaigns had agreed to. here's what sanders said on "meet the press" with chuck todd earlier. >> i would hope very much that as we go into new york state, secretary clinton's home state,

that we will have a debate, new york city, upstate, wherever on the important issues facing new york and in fact the country. >> are you worried she won't debate you anymore? >> yeah, i do have a little bit of concern about that, but i certainly would leak to see a debate in new york state. >> we saw donald trump do it on the other side. he didn't see any advantage as the front-runner to having anymore debates which always can be potential land mines. where is this going? is it going to be a bigger deal? >> reporter: i think it probably will. we're talking about free advertising. it's something we talk about more on the republican side with donald trump. he's changed be the rule book on this. he calls into the national shows but for bernie sanders, you heard him there, a debate in new york. he's reminding people, i'm from new york as well. this should be up for grabs. that's the message they want to push. they agreed to at least two more, six originally. they've got two more left,

chris. >> we'll see how that plays out. msnbc's cal perry. >> senator ted cruz hitting donald trump over his understanding of foreign affairs on fox news calling him scared. >> his lack of understanding on foreign policy, his lack of ability and readiness to protect this country was evident so donald did what he always does, he tried to find a way to change the subject. he hasn't campaigned for a week. he's been hiding in trump tower but late at night he sends tweets attacking my wife, attacking heidi, it is inappropriate and frankly disgusting to see a candidate attacking the spouse of another and it is a sign of just how scared donald is right now because he doesn't want to discuss the substance. >> this after a week of the war of wives -- lies as it's been called between trump and cruz. let me bring in adam and from new york yahoo! senior director,

holley bailey. adam, we see a little bit of talk about policy with cruz hitting trump, with you but do you think we've heard of i guess the name-calling? >> well, i think we've seen stories about the tragedy in brussels being replaced by marital broad sides in a republican primary. i don't think there are any winners here. by the way, there's nothing new to the presidential wives or candidates wives being in it. dolly was attacked and andrew jackson's wife was accused of bigamy. this is nothing new. the point is we're getting very close to wisconsin. wisconsin is big news. in this race if cruz can find a way to stop the trump machine.

>> well, there is a sort of another flip side to this. earlier this week ted cruz's campaign manager jeff roe seemed to take a play from trump's cruz book because he tweeted questions about trump's mental health. i'm quoting him. why no events in four days, none planned for eight. ever had psychological eval? what is hiding in medical records? release! what do you make of this? i mean, holley, we have the wives. now we have them questioning each other's sanity. is any of it effective? what does this do to voters? >> i think that voters are probably looking at this race and wondering how crazy -- much more crazy it's going to get. once you go to a place and think this is the lowest it's going to go, a few hours later it will go lower. one thing that's interesting about ted cruz -- >> yet we've seen record turnout so you would think it indicates

something. >> definitely, you know, i want to say one thing about what ted cruz is doing. one of the things i noticed about his stump speech is he's talking a lot about women. i think he sees a possible vulnerability and obviously people are playing up his comments about women, his war with fox's megyn kelly and trying to hit him there even though donald trump has won a majority of women in many states so far. they're really trying to double down on that. ted cruz was here and his stump speech was about his strong wife and talking about his mother. earlier in the campaign he talked about his father and his extraordinary trip here from cuba and becoming, you know, this person in his life. he's been talking about women. i think that's something to watch especially going into wisconsin. >> and the other thing that's come out of this is that for

months ted cruz said he would back donald trump if he was the nominee. now he backed away from that. take a listen. >> i don't make a habit of supporting people who attack my wife and who attack my family. and donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. >> i mean, does it really matter if ted cruz or any former candidate backs donald trump? it just seems to me, adam, that whatever happens, trump turns it to his advantage. >> at the end of the day, we are six months out, only nine weeks out from eye owe warnings feels like nine years. still 11 weeks to go from california. >> you're kidding, right? it's only been nine weeks? >> i know. it's been amazing. with all the talk, here's the bottom line. the bottom line is at the end of the day the republicans are going to unite behind the

republican nominee for president who will more than likely not be donald trump for two reasons, hillary clinton and the supreme court. all the story lines leading up to it are going to be very interesting. it's going to be a very different campaign. it adds the falcon test between the outsider and the insider and all bets are off about how that's going to play. >> holley, a lot of attention being given over the weekend to this new nbc news wall street jornl poll. it showed trump in trouble with women voters, 47% republican women voters said they could not see themselves supporting donald trump among general election voters. 70% of women have an unfavorable view of them. you're one of several reporters at yahoo! who profiled trump supporters. what do you make of these numbers? >> i mean, it's really hard to say. we've seen polls all along saying that donald trump has a problem with women. we've focused endless coverage on the derogatory comments he's said about women.

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detained in roterdam in the netherlands, this afternoon. this was at the request of french judicial officials. the man suspected of being involved in a plot to pull off a terrorist attack again at the request of french authorities, a man has been picked up in roterdam. we don't know anything about it. just that he's 32 years old. meantime this afternoon, president obama, we've learned, call the families of the american couple killed in this week's terror attacks here. justin and stephanie shults were at the brussels airport waiving good-bye to stephanie's mom when the attack occurred. gabe gutierrez is here. first, let's talk about the call from the president. what do we know and what more do we know about the couple? >> reporter: hi there, chris. well, people here are coming to this memorial yet again to keep paying their respects to the victims of the attack. yes, as you mentioned, president

obama called the families of justin and stephanie shults. he said that the couple epitomized everything that was great about america. now, chris, this couple was just an incredible love story. they met at vanderbilt university. they moved to brussels in 2014. they worked as accountants. friends and families say they were adventurers choosing to live abroad. the family members of justin have started tweeting out reaction. justin's brother said we found out today that cowards took my brother's life. stephanie was always so happy. i really enjoyed any chance to be around her. the world lost two amazing people. it's not fair. now justin's uncle tweeted out that he was one of the finest young men you'll ever meet. very intelligent. he succeeded at everything he did. i've got a son of my own and if he'll be as good as justin, i'll be proud of him. justin shults was originally

from tennessee. stephanie shults was originally from kentucky. again, they were both at the brussels airport dropping off stephanie's mother. reportedly they were waiving good-bye to her when the blast went off. the president calling the families today. chris? >> so much heart break here. gabe gutierrez, thank you so much for that. still to come, we'll have the latest on today's developments here in brussels including this morning's dramatic confrontation that forced authorities to take action. plus, a new day bringing a new round of raids and arrests as belgian officials work around the clock to deal with the attack. our live team coverage right after this. volkswagen believes safety is very important so all eleven models come standard with an intelligent crash response system... hmm..... .....and seven stability-enhancing systems... hmm... ...for more confidence... on road trips. hmmfff... hmm... for those who take safety seriously. like we do.

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we want to bring you up to date on what has been a very active sunday here in brussels. they used water cannons against

protesters. 400 of them all in black and known to police. it was an intense and potentially violent afternoon that ended fortunately with no major injuries but about a dozen arrests. just as the tensions were arising here, the belgian police announced a series of raids that resulted in five people being brought in for questioning. we've learned of an arrest in the netherlands of a man wanted by french terror investigators. we're following a developing story out of pakistan. right now 63 people known to have been killed, many of them women and children, more than 300 injured when a suicide bomber targeted a children's park today in lahore, pakistan. as the hunt continues, investigators continue to draw complex profiles of how these young people have turned into ruthless killers. keir simmons joins me with the story of one radicalized young

man. keir, what did you learn? >> hey, alex. like everyone around the world, people here in brussels have been left confused questioning why some young people from here would go to join isis and talking to young people themselves, parents, you get a picture of poverty, young naivete. some young people who have been involved in criminality leading them from the streets of brussels to syria. olivier holds up a picture of his son. >> my son shawn. >> he's good looking. >> good looking boy. >> he was 24 years old. >> used to break dance on the street and listen to music. >> three years ago olivier's son shawn was recruited to go to syria to help, shawn said, to fight against the syrian government. >> they promised them a future there, and they say to them, you can be a hero. you can change the world. >> he didn't make it home.

>> so my son die in few months after. >> reporter: and syria itself was dying. in the civil war there, isis was born, recruiting more westerners in poor neighborhoods. those who join consider it like family. this young man from maalenbeek told me too terrified to be identified. for them it's the only family they have. others the men like those who blew themselves up. they fear hundreds have returned to their european neighborhoods to die launching attacks like brussels and paris. young people have been brainwashed this youth worker said. isis recruiting the lost. >> you are not welcome here. come with us. come home. we will give you a future. we will give you a real value in our islamic state. >> reporter: then sending them home with deadly intentions.

>> reporter: that youth worker really wanted you to know, alex, that there is a handful of young people from here, there are many, many more, far more, of course, who haven't chosen that path, but what i really learned from talking to those parents, for example, alex, that just as the world has been very confused about syria, things have moved very fast, remember, it wasn't that long ago that the west effectively was supporting the opposition against the government there when they were rising up against the government. that has moved very quickly to the situation that we see with isis and syria. that is part of the explanation for how the young people have ended up going there, then recruiting friends and it being such a complex and difficult situation. >> nbc's keir simmons, thank you so much, keir. for more on this foreign fighters, i want to bring in nbc news counter terrorism analyst at flash point global partners,

laithe alcouri. >> good to see you. >> what happened over the last five, six days, we have seen in the past that whenever there has been what isis considers to be a successful outcome, any time they kill innocent people they consider it a success, they use it as a recruiting tool. have we seen any of that online or elsewhere? >> absolutely. since the brussels attacks isis has released four or five videos from the various so-called provinces in iraq, syria, libya. not only, you know, praising the attacks but featuring belgian fighters, praising the attacks, and actually vowing for more. they're saying this is just the beginning. we have more in the pipeline. >> who are they targeting and where do they seem to be having the most success in recruiting? >> i mean, they're having success in recruiting in actually multiple fronts, but primarily you see grassroots recruiting in iraq, syria, libya, kids on the ground. then you see this external

recruitment that is actually carried out mostly not by isis central but rather by isis supporters worldwide who actually speak the language. many of them have fighters on the ground. they have the linguistic and cultural underpinnings that allows them to essentially click with individuals at home and kind of draw them to the conflict zone. >> and what we've seen with the attacks in paris and now of course here in brussels is that there are neighborhoods here in brussels and near bresleussels have become hot bets for terrorism and recruitment. why here? >> there are a number of reasons, but some of the reasons that we see are that some of those communities have been essentially marginalized. a lot of the services that are being offered in a variety of communities in paris and france and belgium and other places are not being adequately afforded to those communities. they are being -- a lot of individuals are disenfranchised and disinherited. some identify themselves not as

belgian or france, they identify themselves with countries of origin in africa, turkey, other places. given all of the circumstances, all of the conditions and mix it with the use of technology by isis and isis supporters to bring a flashy message to those individuals at home and tell them, look, you are nobody there but here you can be somebody. you can help build this caliphate. we'll make you a celebrity jihadist. this is an attractive offer. >> they've been successful using social media for a very long time. the use of technology, the use of social media, does it make it harder or easier for them to be tracked? >> you know, if you're doing your intelligence job, you know, correctly and following on every lead, it can actually be potentially, you know, a great tool in the hands of investigators and intelligence apparatuses around the world to track a lot of those activities. although there's a lot of white noise out there. this is where it gets hard to sift between who is being a hard

line radical individual who might commit something versus somebody who's just browsing news that is coming out of, you know, the middle east. you know, it's really important that intelligence essentially is key here to track all of these, you know, chatter communication and that lead them somewhere connected to isis, other groups or to individuals who are fighting in the battlefield. >> laithe, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. still to come, the latest on the fiery feud between ted cruz and new york city's top cop, commissioner bill bratton penning a harsh piece. we're back after a quick break.

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this week's attacks in brussels led to fears of backlash here and at home. today as many christians celebrate easter sunday, there is >> reporter: you can travel to the four corners of the world, or you can come to devon avenue in chicago. iraqi american grocer mohammed juwad calls it the melting pot. >> russian, romanian, jewish, iraqi, all living together in piece. >> reporter: it bustles with people of many faiths. at the kosher fish shop, arturo has served his community for 30 years. >> we have respect for each other. >> reporter: his niece kelly is also behind the counter. >> diversity is very good. to grow up with other cultures you grow up open-minded.

>> reporter: here they mourn this week's senseless killings and stand with others against terror. hundreds responded to calls for heightened surveillance of muslims this week by tweeting under the #mymuslimneighborhood. we have dinner with your muslim neighbor. and i send everyone home with extra desserts. i live near arlington cemetery. these heroes who gave their lives for our country are my neighbors. i've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you. 22-year-old sarah also tweeted about her mosque hosting interfaith evenings. >> i'm trying to show that my muslim voice and my american voice do not contradict each other. that here in america i can, you know, practice my religion at the same time contribute and make america greatest. >> reporter: the world is at a crossroads with terror. but on devon avenue -- >> we all get along together. and then we love this country. that's why we're here. >> reporter: they are one community. kevin tibbles, nbc news, chicago.

meantime new york city's police commissioner is firing directly at senator ted cruz. in a scathing editorial in the new york daily news, bill bratton says cruz needs to do some homework before he speaks again. bratton railing against cruz's call to patrol and secure muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized. and the dissolution of the nypd's demographics unit. this morning the nypd deputy commissioner backed his boss continuing to attack the republican candidate's ideas on muslim surveillance. >> i talked to the commissioner about this quite a bit. and i think patrol and secure was a subtext for occupy and intimidate. i think if you listen to what he said and how he said it, when you have people campaigning through fear, and using that as leverage, and then giving advice to the police to be the cudgel of that fear, that's not the direction american policing should be taking in a democracy.

>> joining me to discuss this politico's michael hirsch and "the washington post's" rebecca. thanks to both of you for being with us. rebecca, i want to read to you first part of what bratton wrote today, quote, it is clear from his comments that senator cruz knows absolutely nothing about counterterrorism in new york city. we police are not by campaign slogans or rhetoric but the u.s. constitution and another called the bill of rights. harsh stuff. i mean it goes on in this vein but i wonder if anyone who knows bill bratton is surprised by this. what do you make of it? >> absolutely not. you know, of course the interesting thing in the context of this, looking ahead just three weeks away from the new york primary, is that this is essentially a no lose proposition for both bill bratton and ted cruz on political basis. ted cruz, of course, tangling with the de blasio administration. bill de blasio's top cop comes out well with new york city.

republican voters, with new york state republican voters. certainly by taking on new york comes out well and the rest of the country. and now has a guest proposition of his own that he can claim donald trump, of course, the muslim ban that he called for, extraordinarily popular with primary voters. on the other side, of course, in new york city as a whole, it works well for bill de blasio. to push back. >> michael you've gone in to muslim neighborhoods. you wrote about it in a piece, and i highly recommend people read it, and one of the things you said is that ted cruz's comments about patrolling in muslim neighborhoods are disrupting to you as law enforcement that are involved in counterterrorism. give us a sense of what's behind that. >> well, for years, the fbi, the department of homeland security, and other agencies involved with law enforcement and national security have been moving in to these neighborhoods, setting up outreach programs, having regular meetings, and, in fact,

this program is just now getting stepped up. it's not making headlines, but starting next week, there's a interagency task force run by the dhs at a fellow that used to be obama's counterterrorism -- rather countering violent extremism coordinator so a lot of stuff has been happening beneath the headlines that really renders moot a lot of this rhetoric. the police have already moved beyond this sort of idea of patrolling and surveillance and they have really established a cooperative working relationship with most muslim communities in the country. >> and rebecca, the cruz campaign responded to the nypd comments saying the police should have every tool available to follow leads and take action against those who would do us harm. this is what cruz is calling for, and it is the basic responsibility of our elected leaders to prioritize the safety of our citizens. is this going to continue to resonate long after these attacks are -- have stopped being in the center of the news? is this going to be a major

campaign issue going into november? >> well, certainly i think ted cruz would like it to be. again, it's worth noting in looking at the exit polls coming out of the republican primary vote the muslim ban is extraordinarily popular with republican primary voters. that's something that has been connected to donald trump, and other candidates, ted cruz in particular, have had to respond it to, and face the popularity. now ted cruz has a proposal of his own that donald trump, of course, is giving the thumbs up, probably wishes he had thought of it first to advance him. but, yes, this is something that i'm sure ted cruz would like to emphasize certainly over the next few weeks, and heading into the fall looking to be tough on terror. >> and michael, and michael, in our last 30 seconds, you spent time in dearborn, michigan, a place where i have gone, as well. what are you seeing in terms of islamaphobia and what's the reaction there to all of this? >> well, there's a lot of distress. dearborn is probably the closest thing we have to something like a molenbeek in brussels and yet it could not be more different. the police chief there has set

up these cooperative programs. you hear again and again from law enforcement officials how in general, despite the obvious exceptions like san bernardino, on the whole, the u.s. muslims have been very cooperative, and i think that it helps explain why, in the nearly 15 years since 9/11, we've had a relatively small number of these types of terrorist incidents. >> people who want to learn a lot more about this issue, again, i say go to politico and check out michael's article. michael hirsch, rebic ka sinderbrand, thanks to both of you. that's going to do it for this hour. thank you so much for joining me. my colleague ayman mohyeldin picks up next from brussels. before we head to break we leave you with a live look at the memorial here in place de la bourse honoring the victims of tuesday's attacks. ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you?

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