for him. >> thanks to al in d.c. john and i will be back tomorrow in gotham city. we'll see you then. thanks for watching. and sayonara. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. the third man. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington on this day after easter. the republican nominee for president will either be donald trump who will win on delegates, or someone else who wins at an open convention. if it comes to it, that could be ohio governor john kasich, our guest tonight. i'm joined by presidential candidate governor john kasich of ohio. a poll shows you beating hillary clinton by 11 points in a

hypothetical general election matchup. it shows trump losing to clinton by 38% to 49%. you're fund rising off the low-level feud between trump and cruz. your campaign sent out an e-mail today that reads enough is enough with the mud slinging and the personal attacks. it's time to get serious and select a republican who can win in the fall. with your help, it would deny trump delegates and head into the convention with the man who will win. there's two ways the republican party will pick a delegate. donald trump, or someone else at the convention. how do you win at the convention? looking at it from this point? >> well, because, chris, if you take a look at all the polls that republican versus hillary, i'm really the only one who consistently wins. i think the fox poll may be an aberration for cruz. but there's no way he wins.

you go to the convention. i'm a conservative. some of these talk show people, you know, try to run me down. tell me who's balanced more budgets, reformed welfare, cut more taxes, shrunk government, transferred power out of washington, or out of our state capital. nobody's done all that. who knows more about national security. so i think at that point they're going to say, all right, who can win in the fall, which is me, and secondly, this is a crazy one, chris, who actually could be president? and who could help fix the country? i think both of those things are appealing to delegates. you know who the delegates are. they're the people you know. they're the local party officials, they're former state legislators, former congressmen. these are people that will make good choices, and this notion that everything's going to be crazy over there is false. >> let's talk about -- let's gps it. you get to cleveland. you get some delegates. trump doesn't have new for the

1,237, neither does cruz, he's well behind trump. you get to the convention and start giving that pitch, which i think is a good pitch. who are the leaders? are there any leaders? is reince priebus a leader? do we have any guys with cigars like bob strauss would sit in the back room, and actually oh-who's going to broker the damn thing? don't you need leaders who say, come in here, we think we have a deal that will work here? figure it out. who's going to broker it? who are the brokers? >> well, look, you're going to have people like haley barber involved. on my side i've got charlie black. i was there with charlie in 1976. i was just a kid. charlie was one of the most important people in the reagan campaign and he'll be involved with us. ben weber is another one, john sununu, they know how to do these kinds of things. in terms of how you broker it, this isn't going to be a bunch of guys sitting in the back room with a bunch of cigars, i don't

think, because we have so much transparency now. if you smell of smoke coming from the back room, people will smell it. a person going into the convention who led in delegates was only selected three times out of ten. so at some point people are going to -- look, think about brussels. we've got one guy -- we've got one guy saying that we should ban all muslims from coming into america. i have no idea how you would do that. we've got another guy we should be patrolling muslim neighborhoods. you and i both know if you're going to have intelligence and protect the country, you can't alienate the many people you need to help us to figure out where the radicals are and where they live. these things are important, chris. we're talking about electing the commander in chief, not all this politics. forget it. >> i agree with you, governor. some guy in new york deciding ellis island, wherever you have

to decide this, decides at the airport, are you a men onnite christian or supporting jewish? a lot of people have similar looks and backgrounds. i don't know how you decide on somebody's religious beliefs. i agree with you on that. what do you think of cruz having patrol cars going through neighborhoods, where he thinks there are suspiciously islamic and driving around in squad cars patrolling them? >> all i know is bill bratton, who is the best spers on policing in america, i only spoke to him one time. he is a brilliant guy. ran boston, i guess he ran whatever it is, the traffic side of boston, the subways and all that, the metro system, police chief of new york city. he goes to los angeles, he figures out how to deal with the gangs. now he's back in new york again. he said this idea that cruz has is crazy. and then his deputy saying the

same thing. what are you going to do? you get this information on -- i want to say one more thing. if you want to get information on radicalism, who do you think is going to find it out, chris matthews or someone who is part of the muslim community? >> how do you make this case, though? the last convention, like three ballots, the democrats back in '52, they had a guy they didn't like, thought he was a drunk or something, just didn't like the guy. he didn't make it to the -- all of a sudden this well-spoken guy, stevenson, by the third ballot he wins. you're laughing that nothing's like that happened but in the movies in the last 60 years. >> how about lincoln? >> that's a long time ago, before the tube and everything else. how do you rise up on the third or fifth or sixth ballot? assuming trump doesn't get to

1,237. the establishment says -- >> here's how you do it. >> okay. >> i don't know that the establishment, the delegates are going to look at record. i'm going to stress that i can be the president to fix the country. but secondly, i have the ability to get the crossover votes, to actually win. i beat hillary soundly in every single national poll. either we want to win -- i assume we're trying to pick a republican who can win in the fall and somebody that can be president. so you get around, you see the delegations -- look, i was with ronald reagan in 1976. i ran five states for him at the convention. and we came very, very close to defeating an incumbent republican president. the delegates take this stuff seriously. so we'll have our people out there, they'll have their people out there. and we'll make the appeal. else's worked pretty well for me throughout my lifetime. >> between now and cleveland this summer, where are you going

to win? you're apparently pulling your ads in parts of wisconsin. are you going to win wisconsin or is that going to go to somebody else? can you win pennsylvania? i think you're strong in pennsylvania. >> well, look, we're in pennsylvania, we're in a dead heat with trump, okay? and then when we head farther east, we're going to peick up delegates. we'll pick up delegates in all these places and we'll move forward. we'll get delegates here in wisconsin. pennsylvania's going to be, like i say, we're doing very well there. but the key is not necessarily having to win as much as it has to do with getting delegates. by the way, you know, i've received like no bump. i'm whining a little bit here. i win ohio by 11 points and what do people say, ho-hum? i mean, the day before the election they're like, it's -- >> but it's -- >> let me ask you this question. how many people who have ever run for president in the republican party got elected

without winning ohio? how many? >> none. >> i can give you the answer. zero. >> i know. it's like a battleground state. >> it's really critical. i'm not going on any ticket. >> if trump cleans up his act and says it's the only way the republicans win the general, we need ohio and they need you, what do you say? >> i'm not doing that. not for haven't vice president. by the time i finish my second term as governor, if i don't work out here, i will have been in public life for 30 years. that's about as much service as anybody can be expected to give, and for those who serve their country, why don't you serve your country and get behind me. what are you doing? serve your country and get behind me. how do you like that, matthews? that's pretty good. >> that's pretty personal. >> get behind me, come on. >> my vote is waiting for

november. but thank you very much. >> i'm not talking about you, i'm talking -- >> that's personal. i was getting nervous there. i thought you were retailing me for a minute. anyway, john kasich of ohio, thanks for coming on. >> it's always great. coming up, trump versus cruz. the battle between donald trump and ted cruz sounds like high school boys towel snapping in the locker room. trump said of cruz, he started it. also, weekend with bernie. bernie has victories in all three contests, alaska, hawaii and state of washington. he's stepping up his attacks right now on hillary clinton. can he still win the democratic nomination? great question. plus, fresh off the weekend. the round table gives access to the reporters' notebooks. and finally tonight, let me finish with what happened 100 years ago today, a terrible beauty was born. this is "hardball," the place for politics. or saving th

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charlie sykes called on trump to apologize to ted cruz. >> i failed in my effort to introduce you to wisconsin and our tradition of civility and decency by getting an apology from you for heidi cruz or what you said about scott walker -- >> am i getting an apology by someone who sent out a picture of my wife to everybody? >> as we know, that was an independent group. >> no, it wasn't. no, it wasn't. is he going to apologize? is ted cruz going to apologize for starting it and sending out that picture? i didn't start it. he started it. if he didn't start it, it would have never happened. nothing like this would have ever happened. but he started it. so -- >> just remember, we're not on a -- hey, we're not on a playground. we're running for president of the united states. >> i agree with that a hundred percent. >> i'm joined by hallie jackson in wisconsin. and senior adviser to jeb bush,

thank you for joining us. hallie, we just had john kasich on. he's hopeful he can be the third man, the one who emerges, after multiple ballots up in cleveland. i guess that's what -- what is cruz -- how does he -- he wins wisconsin, i guess, isn't that the plan? and then moves on? >> that's the goal. that's exactly right. win wisconsin and move on. it's not just a strategy about delegates, because obviously the campaign wants to lock up the nomination before a contested convention. that does seem very difficult for them. if you look at the map, it's nearly impossible, or is impossible for john kasich to do. which is why he's looking for a contested convention. the team has strategies in place to do this, especially when it comes to delegates. you've seen what they've done in louisiana making sure their delegate slates are stacked, picking up the delegates from rubio, and doing the same thing in south carolina. look for them to do that in

north dakota this weekend and colorado coming up. why does wisconsin matter? well, for ted cruz, it's an opportunity to prove not only can he win another state, that he can do it in the midwest and pick up momentum as the rest of the calendar moves east to new york and new jersey, where you would think trump would romp, but the cruz campaign is certainly not receding. >> if he wins wisconsin, that does shake things up. al, we were talking in that earlier segment with john kasich. i said, who are the bosses in politics? who are the people in the back room like in the old days, bob strauss, the democratic side, who can actually broker a convention? how do you have a brokered convention with no brokers? who are they? >> well, i'll tell you, very few. >> maybe you are. >> well, look, furthermore, there hasn't been a successful one yet. i went back and looked at the 1820s with the anti-mason

convention and i looked at nine or ten open or brokered or contested conventions. and not a single candidate emerging out of those conventions ever won a general election. here we have two guys, as comedians would say, who's on first? so both ted and donald trump have to stop this thing. when people are laughing with you, that's good. when they're laughing at you, that's not good. and so they better get this thing figured out and we better get into a convention and figure out also how to heal the wounds that they're getting deeper the more personal this thing gets. >> when it gets to your families, it gets very dirty. here's a bit of the back-and-forth over the last 36 hours. just 36 hours. >> he's been hiding in trump tower. late at night he sends tweets attacking my wife, attacking heidi. it is inappropriate and disgusting. this is garbage. tabloid smear. and it came from donald trump

and his henchmen. >> i had nothing to do with the national "national enquirer." i just saw it yesterday for the first time. it's likely he should blame me because he's losing by a lot. >> this has turned into an absurd race to the bottom. this is the campaign that trump wants. chaos, unpredictability, unseriousness. ask yourself which one of the three remaining candidates will prosper. at least not be damaged by that focus. the answer is obvious. hallie, it seems to me the -- according to chris' thinking, trump does well on a muddy track. when things get rough and tumble and people get personal and go after each other's spouses, he always comes out better. >> because look at what's not being talked about, chris. a few days removed, a week removed from a terror attack overseas. there was a shooting at the capital today. there are events happening here

in the u.s. and around the world that the conversation has simply moved beyond because of donald trump. largely continuing to bring this up when had eis in the public eye, he's continuing to be asked about it as well. this is a point ted cruz made today. talked about the idea should donald trump apologize to ted cruz, should ted cruz apologize to donald trump. i asked the senator about this, and he looked around and he said, who cares. who cares if donald trump is sitting up late at night tweeting. who cares if the american people deserve better this, we need to move on. it allows cruz to look like he's taking the high road here, and allows him to do what he and his campaign want to do in wisconsin, which is pivot away from attacks on donald trump and instead talk more about two things, jobs, and national security. much more so than we've seen from ted cruz over the last couple of months. he's taking what you could call a more pop i list tone. talking about workers and

economic security and foreign policy as it relates to keeping the u.s. safe. which is something he's talked about before, but it's clearly field designed for him to appeal to the wisconsin conservatives as opposed to the utah conservatives or iowa conservatives, places he's been successful in the past. >> i don't buy the fact that cruz says trump attacked my two children and family. why does cruz talk about the two kids? nobody's talking about his kids. why did he bring it up? there's no way it's in there. >> i think he's trying to draw this idea of family. his family under fire. i think there's perhaps an idea that people can relate to that, right? people who have families, who have spouses can relate to their spouses coming under attack. >> al, what do you make of that? i guess you can go way back to the late 19th century, they talk about candidates, fathering illegitimate children, where's my ma and where's my pa, that kind of stuff.

we've had dirty campaigns of this nature, but not recently. this is the side-about i-sides of spouses. this is so high school. this is pretty rough stuff. >> well, look, we've started appealing to our lower instincts in some of these primary commentaries. it's only gone downhill since. at least in the early days you had duels. and that kept most people from stepping out of line. nowadays, it's just a back-and-forth. but look, if they don't get this resolved soon and we move forward, with kind of the serious talk that she was just talking about, i think our party's wasting a golden opportunity. look, the turnout numbers are great. i think that front-runner for the democrats is in a weakened position. but with ekeep stepping on it. and every day i wake up and say how much worse can it get. and we figure out a way to make it worse. i'm hoping to wake up one

morning and get all this behind us and start talking about real issues so we can fan some momentum. but it's getting short. >> donald trump's transparent views are coming under dispute. eugene robin so wrote, it appears he knows next to nothing about the issues that would confront him in the job. here he is answering a question, donald trump, about isis. here he is. >> if you could substantially reduce the resk of harm to ground troops, would you use a battlefield nuclear weapon to take out isis? >> i don't want to start the process of nuclear. one thing everybody has said, i'm a counterpuncher. rubio hit me, bush hit me. when i said low energy, low energy individual, he hit me first. by the way, it's been $18 million worth of negative ads on me. >> this is about isis. >> can i ask you one thing? this is a good looking group of

people. can i go around so i know who the hell i'm talking to? >> donald trump sat down for an interview with "the new york times" last week. >> he would cancel defense treaties with japan and south korea, against north korea. he doesn't mind, had ewould be okay if japan and south korea go nuclear. american policy for decades, since world war ii, has been trying to keep nukes out of that arena. he would stop importing oil from saudi arabia, if they don't pay to more for their defense. we need oil. we are not energy independent. we rely on oil, still. for our daily needs. >> sure. >> he is completely all over the lot on iran. he believes -- he complained iran isn't buying our planes. it had to be pointed out iran is still under sanctions and cannot buy american planes. he is completely uneducated

about any part of the world. >> you know, hallie jackson, normally when a candidate starts talking about nuclear weapons, the opponent jumps on him. because with eamericans, or nobody in the world likes their leaders to talk about the use of nuclear weapons of the you just say no comment. it's not something you talk about. it's astounding to me that trump has discussed, even though it was poked into it by reporters who want to have him do this, usually know what the reporters are up to, andave some fun. i'm not talking about nuclear weapons in south korea or japan or -- he's accepted that bait of the reporters. why isn't the guy you're covering jumping on him? >> well, two points to make on this topic, chris, when it comes to the question that you're asking. number one is what his rivals are doing. you spoke to governor kasich. he was out campaigning in wisconsin today. this is the area where kasich and ted cruz both see weakness for donald trump. and they see a real

vulnerability because of the clip you just played. when you talk to these people out at trump events, including at rival events, you still find truch supporters. for example, a cruz event today, we spoke with a woman who talked about donald trump. it's about how he comes across and what he seems to stand for as has been cited for us. for them, they don't mind he's talking about the japanese-south korean treaties with the united states. they like how he's communicating his message and that is what resonates to them. it's been resonating to them. and it hasn't changed so far, chris. >> yeah. >> chris, america can't survive a donald trump domestic policy. but on foreign policy, i don't want to take that risk. you just evidenced it. >> you and i remember the fact that when castro and khrushchev had those intermediate range

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injured. now back to "hardball." right now, we have a lot of momentum. we're focusing on wisconsin, new york state. we have a path to victory. we are going to win this nomination process. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was, of course, senator bernie sanders after his big weekend sweeping the states of washington, hawaii and alaska. today his senior adviser, tad devine, characterized hillary clinton as a weak front-runner. david plouf said sanders doesn't have a chance at winning the nomination. today, with data advancements and especially in races with clear demographic trends, there are fewer surprises. it's easier to predict which delegate allocation will end as a result.

casey, you're out front here. it appears brerernie sanders, t they've got a second wind here. they're going for the kill. they want to beat hillary clinton. take the nomination away, not just get on the platform or win the argument on student loan payments, but beat her. >> if they want to beat her, they would be up on the air with all the kinds of ads that were run against hillary clinton. or that barack obama leveled at her in 2008. there is -- there are no shortage of ways to go after hillary clinton. the reality is -- >> who's talking about sharpening their knives? >> there are people talking about sharpening the knives, but they're still saying, it's going to be about policy. i will believe it -- >> you're such a veteran.

if it's about policy, they're not serious. >> he has not named her in a single negative ad. >> because he won't go after e-mail or benghazi that republicans do. >> he said he wouldn't. and part of the bernie sanders mystique, the bernie sanders thing is that he's not a regular politician. he said he wouldn't do negative advertising. >> but he still -- but that makes the point of the he should be going all out in the way had eknows he has to, which is clinton. >> they just had a string of victories, caucuses, who knows. but they're on a winning streak right now. why wouldn't they -- >> let's talk turkey. he wins wisconsin on april 5th to get in the game again. he has to win april 5th. >> i think that's right. >> he wants to win in new york. look at this. this weekend, sanders called on secretary clinton to debate him in new york before the primary on the 19th. let's watch. >> i would hope very much that

as we go into new york state, secretary clinton's home state, that we will have a debate, new york city upstate, whatever, on the important issues facing -- >> are you worried she won't debate you anymore? >> yeah, i do have a little bit of concern about that. but i certainly would like to see a debate in new york state. >> that was a great question by john. he waste quite ready for the tactical question. just the big philosophical thing. one of clinton's top advisers responded today there wouldn't be another debate. listen to this, unless sanders' tone changed. this is like a nun talking. you've got to change your tone for us to have a proper debate. >> there's no risk. she's done very well in the debates. but senator sanders doesn't get to decide when withe debate. let's see if he goes back to the tone he set early on. if he does that, we'll talk about debates. >> no chance of a new york

debate? >> i didn't say that. we'll see what kind of tone he sets. >> tone? tone? politics is supposed to have a somewhat rough tone to it. he said unless you clean up your act and get more nice to us, we're not going to have a debate with you. >> joel, whom i love, if he thinks bnie sanders is running a negative campaign from hillary clinton, what does he expect from donald trump? >> is this a fake foul? >> it seems to me if they can't take the kind of punches leveled at her, what -- >> what's joe up to? >> he's trying to back bernie off. he wants to make sure that bernie doesn't run a more vick rouse campaign. it's a high-handed tone. >> hillary clinton to get a debate she wanted a few weeks ago, a month ago, agreed to the two extra debates. >> she never wanted a debate in new york. the debate in new york was always a sticking point. when they were in the protracted

negotiations, the one thing the sanders campaign was focused on is location and time. >> why does location matter? >> because there's going to be a primary in new york. she wanted a debate in flint, michigan, but -- >> so he wanted it -- >> beningson also on that same call said sanders was going to campaign as a brooklynite in new york, and hillary clinton was going to campaign as the senator who once represented the entire state. >> well, from new york, from new york. >> she switches into a brooklyn accent, he said, when i was a boy in book lynn. is there going to be a debate in new york? >> the jury is still out on that. >> where does bernie sanders think he can win now? wisconsin? >> he thinks he can win wisconsin. new york, they are more confident about new york than you might think. they think that their numbers look better there than in some

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welcome back to "hardball." we're back with the round table. howard, this latest high school thing has not changed. we've just got this hot off the wire of the here's ted cruz in the locker room, towel snapping with donald trump. debate like a man. why don't you show up and debate like a man. this is what's going on now. this is all about finger size -- whatever, appendage size. >> what's going on in their own race to the bottom. there's a two-man race between ted cruz and donald trump to see who can get to the absolute bottom of political rhetoric. i think cruz thinks he can win

by chesting it out with donald trump, i think he's making a mistake. ultimately that is donald trump's turf. if ted cruz is going to win, he has to do it a little differently than that. >> neither one of them looks particularly tough, they just seem like terrible people yelling at each other. like slap fighting. it's terrible. >> that doesn't sound like a -- >> you can't outtrump trump. you saw that with marco rubio. his campaign died is when he laid into the gutter politics with donald trump. >> could he be stepping on it right now, donald trump? we know from the polling now every time we faced an international crisis, like brussels, we can identify with people, in subways and airports. that's where we live, too, in this country. these europeans look like they live the life with edo in many ways. we're just as exposed as they are. trump is benefiting from this. doesn't he want to get back on this security? i'm going to bash them and do

that kind of thing. >> that's what he should be doing. that's where his ultimate appeal is. having attended trump rallies all over the country, i know in some ways he's regarded as our -- to trump supporters, he's regarded as our bad guy, our guy who talks threateningly. he's our guy in a tough fight. i compare him almost like to a kind of pesticide that's banned. okay? you don't want to use it because you know you're going to inhale a cloud of it, but you really want to get off those pests. that's donald trump. >> that's the nuclear program. >> that's a little problem, yes, exactly. >> trump, look at this new number, he's 49%, which is a high number -- there's only three candidates now, compared to cruz's 28% to kasich's 10%. he's riding high on the security question. >> he is riding high on the security question, pause they're not looking for nuanced proposal.

they just wanted assurances. he's playing to their worst fears. he polled well. he knows it. >> how do they stop the muslims at the gate, by the way? people would say, no, i'm christian. what would you say? >> it's not without accident that ted cruz this time tried to be the one to come up with the trump-like proposal. >> give me a visual of that. describe that with words. describe patrolling neighborhoods. >> go to a place where there's large muslim population and -- >> drive around with the light coming off the roof of the car and pointing into the windows? are they planning anything in there? >> that will create an assimilation problem. >> sabrina's right, ted cruz did it in order to somehow get to the right of donald trump on this question. with that poll number as strong as it is about the temporary

ban, cruz is looking for some way to get to the right of it. >> cruz doesn't have the ability to come off like a tough guy. i don't think donald trump comes out like much of a tough guy, frankly, but he can somewhat mimic it. ted cruz is like a lawyer in a suit and weird sort of like cadence. >> i talked to john kasich earlier on the show, as you know, and he had tough language for trump and cruz on the muslim proposals. let's watch. here's kasich. >> we've got one guy saying we should ban all muslims from coming into america. i have no idea how you would do that. we've got another guy saying we should be patrolling muslim neighborhoods. if you're going to have attention and be able to protect the country, you can't alienate many of the people that you need to help us to figure out where the radicals are and where they live. if you want to get information on radicalism within the muslim community, who do you think's going to find it out? chris matthews or somebody who's part of the muslim community?

>> sabrina, it seems to me with 1.6 billion muslims in the world, many from indonesia, pakistan, not the middle east, europe, all over the world, a lot of them are dealing as victims of isis. that's who iis is killing. >> also, what's important about john kasich is, he's trying what jeb bush it, and even what marco rubio did toward the end of his campaign, but unfor natally for the so-called establishment candidates, that's not what republican voters want to hear. john kasich is not going to appeal to the primary voters, only appeal to the general electorate. it says something that the republican party has reached a point that it's seemed courageous to push back against a proposal to just -- >> is there a kind of crude arift me tick in people's minds that say if we kick 10,000 people out of the country, one might be a troublemaker. but i'm willing to keep 10,000 people.

just to keep that one -- the trouble with that is, everybody knows about it. so everybody gets that attitude backlash. this edon't want us there. i'm not applying for a visa. i'm not going to school there. >> it's an elite coded racism. they won't be able to determine who's a muslim or not. they're going to say, we're going to keep arabs out of the country. >> there are a lot of christian arabs. >> but that's what they're saying. the average trump voter doesn't know -- >> don't forget, donald trump began with the immigration issue, by talking about building a wall. he was already there on immigration, if you want to call it racist, you can, or nativist fear, you can, or call it economic fear, you can. he was there on that ground. then paris happened. then san bernardino happened. suddenly the immigration issue became a security issue. he's at that intersection in the republican party where 80% of the voters want to temporarily

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we're back. john, tell me something i don't know. >> this week representative rod bloom from iowa has been

catching it in the teeth a bit from washington, d.c. last week he put out this tweet highlighting some cranes over washington and said he hoped it would be a recession in washington because he thought we were rebuild our city based on federal taxpayer dollars, which is not true. the irony is as a private businessman three quarters of a million dollars in federal state contracts. >> without complaining. >> yeah. >> he's a bit of a hypocrite there. >> that doesn't shock me. sabri sabrina. >> we spend a will the of time talking about what kind of effect trump could have. a numbers state of current projections were to hold that could turn blue like arizona like georgia and missouri. all of them also have republicans up for re-election. >> this is big time. >> this is big time.

>> what would cause this to happen? >> there's a number of things. arizona is a prime example. if democrats can turn out their base this georgia, you would see the same thing. there was a recent poll showing donald trump tied. >> okay. >> i would say some cases the republican or the establishment of the senate like in missouri. we talk about california. look to new york on april 19th. that's where donald trump is hoping to make his slam dunk statement. he's got clout there. he's got real friends there. he's leaning with his money and conducts on every republican in the state. >> he's running by the new york

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let me finish tonight this this. a hundred years ago today easter monday, 1916, the people of ireland rose up for independence after holding off the british army for six days they surren r surrender surrendered. 15 of the leaders were executed.

ireland was fighting for its independence. they won the irish free state. the arrangement of the good friday that would british irish unity. in marking the easter rising i offer some lines 1916. i met them at close coming with vivid among gray 18th century. his nature seemed so daring and sweet. this other man had dreamed a drunken. he had done most bitter wrong to some near my heart. i number him in the song. he, too, has resigned his part in the casual comedy. that's heaven's part. our part to name upon name when sleep has come and limbs that run wild. what it is but nightfall.

not night but death. was it needless death. for all is done and said we know their dream enough. what if excessive love bewildered them until they died. i read it out in a verse. where evergreen is worn our changed changed utterly, a terrible beauty is born. that's hardball for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." >> i expect that from a 12-year-old bully on the playground. >> i did a retweet. it was a retweet by somebody else. >> donald trump's welcome rocky to wisconsin. >> do you stand by what you said about scott walker? >> i can say what i took out of time magazine. if time magazine is wrong, then they should apologize. >> how the badger state become the front