massive unpreki massive unprepredictable. >> it has been dissas strous, lowered the approval rating and the imagine of the republican party. >> except, if it leads to a contested convention, if we don't end up with donald trump, we will not, then the republican is in a strong place. >> weirdly enough. >> with ted cruz? >> i would love -- >> only because of the relief of no trump that some republican also have -- >> ted cruz isn't much better. >> thank you all. we'll maybe test that theory, right, in the fall. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. i'm john helemann. secrets, is secrets are no fun.

the union south building on the campus of the university of wisconsin in madison. more fallout from donald trump's explosive assertion where abortion was illegal, there has to be some form of punishment for women having them. we'll spen we'll spend the whole a block in the presidential race, has the teflon don's previously coating finally been pierced? the controversy he is dealing with week has the front-runner being pummeled by his rivals. >> re-tweeted an image someone else posted heidi cruz in an unflattering pose next to a mod modelli modelling. >> people feel bad for heidi cruz and feel really bad for ted cruz. you can't go after a guy's wife's looks.

>> a tabloid smear. >> contentious, what i was asking, donald trump to do was at some point, can you ever apologize. real men stand up and say i was wrong. this campaign has decided they're never going to admit it, and they've backed themselves into a corner. >> day of bad news for trump. governor walker endorsed cruz. >> trump supporters, quick to pounce. >> the responsibility is mr. trump's. >> after trump campaign manager, corey lewandowski was arrested and charged with simple battery for allegedly grabbing a reporter. a group of 16 conservative members of the media called on trump to fire lewandowski. >> this is the kind of thing that could sway a wisconsin voter. >> this is repelling so many people who are not his core supporters. >> poll numbers in wisconsin, not good news for donald trump.

>> no, not good news for donald trump. >> planned parenthood obviously against pro-life groups, coming against donald trump. >> if donald trump does not ultimately win the republican nomination, he is going to look back at this week is when the bottom started to drop out. >> well, while this was going on, donald trump was in washington, d.c., and for the first time we believe, his clack of foreign advisors. he isn't planning to be back in this state until saturday, when he has two events here. mark, we'll go wide and deep on this topic. but let's start with the 30,000 foot view. genuinely different crisis than what he has faced before? >> he may not win the primary here, and the polling suggests he won't. but he still has a strong hold on the nomination to get to a majority or near majority. i will say if you graze at the media buffet in wisconsin, you see the information flow for trump has been horrible. we saw a sampling there.

most of the things have been negative and not the kind of negative that will rally his supporters. it is something they may tolerate, but it is rallying and those who need confidence, needed. they needed strategy and confidence. this is giving them one of them. >> we've gotten to the phase in the campaign, cold hard way at someone who is likely to be their nominee, what would that mean. would that mean for our prospects in the presidential election, down ballot for the party. that's been in the talks for a while. but now people are focused on it. the things that donald trump has happened, the series of controversies, all cast doubt on whether he could be elected in the fall, even things that aren't making paying waves. violates nuclear treaties, all of this is creating an echo, is this guy the person we want -- >> how do you focus on

electability, though? >> one suspects, after talking to the fine voters in wisconsin. >> your uber driver. >> the people here in wisconsin are wise and common sense people. they're thinking about who the nominee might be. >> i think that trump has defied political gravity in so many ways. one of them has been, we talked about it before, nobody has become in the modern air, we don't know if this is a scare, but plenty of republicans, ted cruz, john kasich, people associated with hilla clinton, who say trump is now in a fall. not a free fall, but in a fall. if he loses wisconsin, he will have two weeks of pain, but with the chance to reassert in new york. it could all be bobby ewing's dream. if he gets sclacked here. >> i don't think this is yet an

crisis. he can lose this state and bounce back. he has a lot of the -- the calendar is favorable to him. many states we would say he is favored to win. this could be just a bump in the road. but he puts himself in a position, if he were to lose new york, he would have a crisis on his hands. >> politics gets better and bad gets worst. right now, things are getting worst for donald trump, at least in the perception of media and political elites. whether this is an actually electoral problem or not, ultimately trump's opponents are trying to take advantage of what's going on with him. hillary clinton, john kasich, all made their way around new york today. they each took their turns at jabbing at the republican fro front-runn front-runner. >> just yesterday, donald trump said women should be punished for having an abortion. he then tried to distance

himself, once that kind of reaction came out from his outrageous comments. but we all heard them. >> i don't know what to say. they keep playing around with this issue and taking the right to choose away from women. i guess it was the next logical step for them, but i disagree with it. >> when he does these events and people press him, he becomes unmored, and then has to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to correct all the mistakes he made. i have to tell you that as a commander in chief, leader of the free world, you don't get a do overs. you need to be able to get it right the first time. >> the pile on donald trump extends beyond his candidate appearings. the super pac backing hillary clinton, priorities usa and planned parenthood worked together to come out with a new digital ad they say is aimed at voters in ohio, washington,

d.c., dangerous, insulting and demeaning to women. so the abortion comments in particular have set off this joint effort from the left and right. but even before that we saw comments about women, the ad being run by the republican anti-trump super pac is an ad the democrats could run as it's running now in the general election. >> that's a danger zone for any candidate. steve smith made this point in 2012, when you're being attacked on the same grounds from your left and right, you're in dangerous territory. you know, it has always struck me, and i'm not just claiming 20/20 hindsight here. the one time he got trounced on a specific flap when he made the demeaning comments about carly if fiorina's looks. a presidential election, it's

just kind of ugly, it's not the kind of thing that people can go along with, not in our society today. i'm not surprised on this level, the series of things related to gender are getting him into. >> head to head polling. >> it's a lie. a straightforward lie. >> he continues to be in denial publicly about what republican women and women over all think about him. >> yes. >> and whether they approve or disapprove of him. this would not exist in a normal campaign. a pollster would come to him and say -- >> you can't keep -- you are in big trouble. >> you've got to start turning these things around. >> he can say this is not trouble, but those who measures, whether he is electable against hillary clinton right now and whether women approve of him, those are big problems. >> you can make up an electoral strategy that writes off

hispanics, not wise, but you can say i'm going to overperform with white voters, and still win the presidency. you cannot if you're losing 70% of the female vote. no math works for that. zero. are you done? >> yeah, i'm done. let's go. when we come back, ted cruz's return to late night tv and hillary clinton's return to wisconsin, right after this. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise?

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last night, ted cruz wasn't here in wisconsin. no, he was on the west coast, on jimmy kimmel live, the fire brand that he shows most of the time, after starting off talking about policy, cruz joked about his old dream of becoming an actor, his bad boy reputation in the nation's cap a tal and took a few shots at some of the

night's memorial moments. >> the salt and pepper gives you a distinguished look. >> you're not going to put me on the muslim watch list, are you? >> it's already done. >> if i were going to reverse in the backup camera, i'm not confident which pedal i would push. >> pink floyd, i saw in the astro dome. >> david gilmore was here last night. >> that's what i understand. two or three seats down from me was a police officer smoking a joint. holding a roach clip, smoking a joint. >> wow. >> i have to admit, i was, you know, 17 at the time. he was in uniform. this was an officer in uniform. shook my head and said, well, it's floyd. >> so the comedy, how is it going? >> i don't know if it is a like

ability tour, but it was a top flight performance. he was very, very good. you and i have often talked about the fact that if you're going to be the president of the united states, you've got to be able to go on shows like that and come across in a winning way. i've seen him come across like that rarely. last night, hit it out of the park. >> anyone who spent time with ted cruz knows he is capable of that. he is a funny, i'm going to say it, charming guy, and he doesn't display it enough. and all this focus on donald trump, all the fighting over their wives, et cetera, it is crowding out his ability to convince republican voters, hey, don't just be for me because i'm not trump. there are good reasons to be for me. >> something else, all the focus obscuring the fact, get better. >> the ones that survive have gotten better. he has gotten better. i do think the comment he made about suggesting he might have

run trump over, if he was backing up in his car, it might have been a little bit on the far side. >> the fact that that didn't cause a controversy, if trump said that, it would cause a controversy. >> oh, my gosh. >> he has not had the best relationship with the media, always. his staff, for a conservative campaign, based in texas, they have worked very hard to be on good terms with the immediathe e seeing the results of that. >> if he might have said that about kasich, he might have gotten more hell. running over donald trump, that's funny. as we mentioned, hillary and bill clinton were in new york campaigning today with the democratic front-runner left this state a couple of days ago, despite the importance of the primary today, you and me, mark, we asked the question, what was team clinton doing, what are they up to. now the polls show her trailing bernie sanders, despite that fact, she and her husband are coming back for a democratic

dinner for another campaign stop. we asked before, only from a slightly different angle what is up with that? >> the clintons always think they can win. if it is a state they won before, they think they can win. i suspect they're coming back because they don't want to be left out of the national narrative. they've got to try to keep the margin tight. i believe bill clinton when he is is here in apple ton, they can somehow steal it. i won't say the race is over, if she wins it -- >> if she comes back and wins, expectations are that sanders will win by a large amount. >> tad devine has said they must win. >> of course. i think there is more here. they left the state when they thought they were going to lose and not going to lose badly. it has become clear they're going to lose badly. they're trying to keep the margin by not losing at 20. >> whether to keep it close or

steal it back, it is a testament to their belief that they can come here and make a difference. bill clinton, as he does with every state in the union, he has a special relationship with this state. >> he loves the cheese. you know, i think it would have been crazy if they stayed out of the state. >> it would have been bad. >> i don't understand why they left in the first place. >> they're trying to shore up new york. they've been in new york, and they know whatever happens here, she could lose by 20 here, and if she wins convincingly in new york, it's not over, but close to over. >> you pointed out in the past, only focus on the election in front of you. given that rule in their house old. >> they'll be here to greet you when you come. when we come back, we're going to bring in two reporters for both parties here in wisconsin, right after this. acceptable. but nothing could be worse for the whales.

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bestowing, not only he is going to vote for ted cruz, but endorsing ted cruz. how much does that matter? >> does any endorsement, not that much. but the thing about scott walker, he is a great retail politician, great getting out there, rounding up support among the, you know, republicans throughout the state. so do they look to see who he is supporting, he has a rally, listen to what he has to say. >> we saw in the marquette poll, republicans approving of scott walk walker, and then donald trump maybe not for the first time defying the norm, taking on fox news, coming in here, bad mouthing scott walker and having the crowd boo along. he turned people who used to be walker against him. >> but is it possible, is it possible that it's smart politics to attack walker, or

no? >> i mean, if he is going to have support in this state, he is looking among the people who are not necessarily huge fans of scott walker, but even though he is -- he is not going to win wisconsin. are we kidding ourselves? >> he is coming back. >> he doesn't want to get blown out by ted cruz. the momentum is on ted cruz's side, and you know, it's just, there is a conservative movement in this state that scott walker is at the top of the pyramid on, so does the endorsement matter? it's more symbolic of wisconsin is conservative talk radio. they control the legislature, they're working to get a firmer group on the state supreme court. they're behind cruz. >> you're saying walker is a lagging indicator than leading indicator. >> he gave an indication that he was going to back cruz the week before he did, even, maybe he didn't want to be that lagging indicator, but he is part of the movement. >> i'm going to ask you about

the same question. pretty much everybody we encounter, politics in the state since we got here, why is john kasich just so hopeless in the state, given all the reasons why on paper at least, they should be competitive. >> entirely hopeless. he does not have hope to win, maybe second place, maybe. why is he hopeless. why is trump doing so well any where. no one knows the answer to that. >> extraordinarily popular governor from a state not that different from this state. >> i think some people may see him as a scott walker. we've already got that in wisconsin and happy with it at the state level, but scott walker didn't get that traction either. who is to say why will we support kasich. >> three delegate in the second congressional district, i mean, he is still looking for every delegate he can get, so he has some kind of argument in cleveland. but you know, he is not doing

well more broadly, because again, it's -- i'm going to hit this point again and again. it's the movement conservatives getting behind cruz. they were behind rubio initially, but now that he is is out, are they going to pick the more moderate republican, and kasich is not completely moderate. >> but more moderate. >> more moderate than cruz for sure. >> the democrats, bernie sanders seems to be doing better than he did in illinois, neighboring state, better than michigan. what is it about this state as compared to say illinois and ohio, where it looks like he is poised to do better? >> i mean, ask any liberal or any progressive here and they'll go back to fighting bob lafollette, and actively involved on a yearly basis, a regular basis, not just one presidential elections come around. bernie sanders has been coming to wisconsin for years talking

to these people, even before he talked about being a presidential candidate. he has a following here. of course, like any big university town, we've seen him do well in liberal university towns. madison is good for that. he is doing well in madison. >> he is going to do well here too. just look at the marquette poll yesterday, he is doing well in milwaukee too. he is beating clinton. >> let me be the why guy. why? we went to this hillary clinton event on monday night, incredibly sultry event, not much energy. why is she not doing better in the state she should do well. >> a lot of organization in the state of progressive, the recall, the protests in 2011, they were organized back then, maybe not to win the recall or even seat scott walker, but that still exists. that's a liberal young people, the demographics that benefit bernie sanders. and it's not the same kind of milwaukee minority population that you think of when you look

at the south. it's not as conservative. they're more together with the liberal movement. >> where is labor in this primary. >> split. to be honest, bernie sanders is perceived more of the labor candidate, but you see labor coming in on the side of clinton too. >> milwaukee county executive race is a tough battle between the incumbent and chris larson. splitting that vote. but again, i think everyone thinks this will benefit their supreme court candidate in the state supreme court race. >> a very inside process question. the public poll that came out showed sanders with a small lead, clinton people think she has a bigger gap to make up. any -- do you guys have a fingertip feel that sanders will blow it out? >> i don't think he'll blow it out. my guess is by a handful of points. >> so the clintons are coming in not to keep it close, but to win? >> i don't know about that. >> well --

>> if it's a small lead, why couldn't she pull it out? >> it is a competitive race on tuesday. not just saying, that's their calculation, but it benefits everybody. >> 30 seconds left. big picture question. every place we go, record turnout do you expect there to be record turnout, enthusiasm? >> we're seeing above 40%, highest since 1980. again, not just presidential. other things driving, especially mi milwaukee county. >> i think just 30,000 people, i this out of all the primaries and caucuses, this is the place with the highest profile ballot races. >> that's true. it's not going to flip the ballot of the supreme court, but it will start to make a difference. it's symbolic. >> jesse and matt, thank you very much. coming up, we talk to two professional pro-lifers about donald trump's controversial

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controversy. after donald trump's comments yesterday, the women received illegal abortions should be punished, he started a conversation across the country, including in the pro-life community. here to talk about controversy's meaning and impact, concerned women for america, a cruz supporter, and here with us in wisconsin, chelsea shields, the legislative director for right to life, ted cruz as well. ladies, thank you for joining us. start with you here in wisconsin. do you have a sense of how donald trump's comments will play with the pro-life community in this state? >> we've had a lot of concerns. and so this is why we're so excited to support senator cruz. wisconsin right to life, we looked at his record, the polling numbers, and we saw he is the best pro-life candidate for us, the best chance of winning the republican nomination, the best chance of winning the presidency, the best candidate for pro-lifers to win

and start putting the changes that we want into effect. >> so that didn't answer my question about donald trump's comments, whether you think that will have an impact on the voters. >> i think it will have an impact. it's been very concerning for us. the entire pro-life community, we know we stand by women who have had abortions. some of our best advocates have been post abortive women. >> i just want to ask you, when you heard what donald trump said yesterday to chris matthews and took it all, read it through, read through his clarifications, his two clarifications afterwards, what was the sum total of your assessment of what was going on with him there and what troubled you about it? >> well, once i picked my jaw up off the floor, after i heard his original comments, and looked through the rest of it, i concluded that this is indicative of his overall miss

understanding and maybe even lack of care about the abortion issue. he does not understand the people that he is trying to win their votes. he doesn't understand. alice paul said that abortion was the ultimate exploitation of women. the pro-life community believes that. we believe these are hurting broken women, and as women of faith, we truly believe in redemption and we want to love and help them. he doesn't understand that. it's deeply troubling. he tried to clean it up, but it's really sad to me that i think he is a cynic. i think he was appealing to what he thought we believed, but it bit him this time, because i he doesn't understand us at all. >> let me stay with you and ask you about this concept. an emotional for anybody who thinks about it. his notion of women being a victim, aren't they the one whose got pregnant perhaps in an

irresponsible way s? who have victimizing them. >> women don't choose an abortion like they choose an ice-cream cone or a porsche. it's like an animal chewing its leg off in a trap. often, these women are preyed on by political reasons, and men who walk away from them. so we need to come alongside them, love them, give them opportunities to make other choices, better choices. and help them to understand unfortunately, when you walk into a government funded, 98% of the time, you're going to leave without a baby, because you're told that's your only choice. we're saying, cut planned parenthood's funding, give the money instead to the 13,000 pregnancies, care centers, who could care for the whole woman and give them other options. >> chelsea, how do you

evaluate -- there are people who change their mind about abortion over the course of their life. they start out pro-life or vice-versa. donald trump who has at least changed his mind, having been pro-life for a long time and then being in favor of partial birth abortion. how do you evaluate when someone is doing a conversion or doing it for cynical reasons. >> we always welcome converts to our cause about the truth about abortion, but what has given us pause, when we see the back and forth between the pro-life position and traditions pro-life or pro abortion, so when we hear these incentive comments about women who have had abortions, planned parenthood does good things, even though they still stand by the dismemberment of unborn children, that gives us pause. we don't believe planned parenthood, any of the good things they can do can overcome the fact that unborn children are dismembered in their

facilities. that worries pro-lifers. >> your sense that trump's current posture is made up? >> it gives us a lot of doubts. we want to believe his statements, because we want people to come to our side. but we just don't know if it's genuine right now, and we want to stand behind somebody who has that proven record on our issue. >> can you understand the support of someone like sarah palin, including here in wisconsin, supporting donald trump? >> well, everyone has to choose for themselves. let me say, only god sees donald trump's heart clearly. but my problems with the fact that even if he is sincere, he hasn't taken the time to understand the issues at stake. he said that he thinks a great supreme court justice would be his sister, who tried to strike down the partial birth abortion ban act in new jersey. he has not taken the time to understand who we are, what the

issues are, and why we care, and why we think what we do. and so yeah, listen, i have all respect, all due respect for sarah palin and others who come to a different conclusion, but for me, i believe, just like chelsea, that ted cruz is the better candidate, and is a pro-li pro-lifer, i'll be supporting him. >> less than 30 seconds, if donald trump beats your candidate, ted cruz for the nomination, will you support him in a general election against perhaps hillary clinton? >> always over hillary clinton. anybody is better. >> chelsea, would you support donald trump? >> we know hillary clinton's record. we know she is 100% against any restrictions on abortion. >> we would definitely be against hillary clinton. >> all right, penny nance in washington, charl see washington, chelsea, thank you both for coming in. don't forget, if you're

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rope line, especially in front of a camera. turning back to the republican race, here in the badger state, we sent our resident entuor, he followed ted cruz and carly fiorina, and no, did he not badger them. take a look. >> whoa. well, it is great to be back in wisconsin. i continue to be encouraged and energized by the enthusiasm on the ground. thank you for being here. with ray reagan, grant. >> a president who will fight for the constitution, so. >> thanks. >> so thank you for coming. >> conservatives are coming

together, republicans are coming together. >> give her a big warm, wisconsin welcome. >> i want you to go out and do your job on tuesday. talk to everybody you know. >> if every person here goes and gets nine other people to vote, that is how we win. >> joining me live on the line is governor scott walker. >> ted cruz is the best position by far to both win the nomination of the republican party, and to again go on and defeat hillary clinton. >> hi, nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you. >> hang in there. i hope nothing else, vice-president. >> i have no idea. >> it's great to see you. you want me to sign that? that's a strong look. >> yes. >> it may hurt when you pull it off. >> it's pretty exciting to have a candidate like ted to come out. >> i didn't expect to get this close. it was cool. >> very strong. >> if cruz isn't the nominee,

but if it's trump, we're not going to be able to go to the ballot box and support him. as strongly as we feel that hillary or bernie would be a disaster for this country, i can't in good conscience support donald trump. >> such a great welcome here in fondu lac. i was going to ma-- going to ma a fantastic first lady. >> we've had a lot of experiences moments in high stress, in the moments, ted turns to me and says i love you, or calls me from the bus and sings to me. ted is not learning what he believes. he learned what he believed at the dinner table with the bible and constitution. >> i just, you know, i had to meet heidi. i am such a huge supporter of

her and carly. it's just been a great opportunity. just to be apart of the whole process. >> this is going to come down to the men and women gathered here. it is going to come down to the grassroots. >> you know, wisconsin people have a strong base if nothing else, common sense. >> we're eight days away from election. wisconsin is a battle ground. >> we've got to run through the tape here. you know, you've got to work hard to the very last minute. >> it's now or never. >> thank you, and god bless you. all right, thanks again to the wonderful, talented griffin hammond. up next, we're join by the pollster in chief, ann seltzer. he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms

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completely similar to what what we started talking about, whether donald trump's brand is

actually in any trouble right now. we thought we would devote by the numbers segment, taking a look at how the front-runner's factorability numbers are faring over time. the most recent bloomberg politics national poll that came out last week, 68% of general election voters have an unfavorable view of donald trump. the poll at marquette, wisconsin, the same. put some of this into perspective, we called in our master pollster, joining us not from des moines, but from new york, where she is watering our cactus. ann, trump hurting himself now amongst female voters, what does the data show? >> this is where polling is helpf helpful. we can see how the same question asked historically, how things change overtime. our numbers are showing that when we first started asking with donald trump with women, his numbers weren't very good. his numbers have continued to

get worst. so i was reminded a bit of hailey barber, bad gets worst. he is now 73% among women have an unfavorable opinion of him. that's up from 65% only a few months ago. >> ann, one of the moments we discussed earlier not show, electability on a lot of people's minds. how does trump, these hypotheticals, how does trump stack up in terms of his rivals in head to head? >> right. let's turn to the candidate doing the best job among women, in looking at the general election from the republican side. that is john kasich. clinton leads to be sure, with women, but it's only an eight point lead. her lead against ted cruz is higher than that. about double that. 17 points. it jumps to 29 points, when you

pair hillary clinton, about ted cruz women likely to vote in the general election. she gets 60% of the vote. if women are the majority of voters, you can't lose 60% of the vote and still win the election. there are a lot of con -- >> let's go back to the last nominee, mitt romney. >> the exit poll also show that barack obama won the were he is density, because he won women. he won 55% of women. mitt romney only took 44%. that's a very traditional gender gap that we would call it, because women tend to vote more democratic. with the way that trump's numbers are looking now, he may lose a higher percentage, just making it more a possibility that there is a blow out if

those are the two candidates and if things continue on trend. >> so ann, unfavorables are super high for trump, but do a comparison with past nominees, winners and losers in that area. >> right. i'm asked all the time. what do you have historically that compares to what we're looking at now. and i keep saying we don't have anything historically that looks at what we have now. but we went back and used gallop poll because they're consistent with asking the same question in the same way to see how other nominees for president, where were their favorable numbers, and you can see that they kind of go a range, john mccain in 2008, 46% for barack obama. well, all of that pales compared to where donald trump is.

those polls were all taken in march of the comparable year. so they're at the same point in the cycle. it's a really revealing, just how dangerously bad the trump numbers are for trump. >> ann, in looking at our poll and other data you've looked at, is there anything, if you were trump's pollster and wanted to make him feel good about his chance of winning the general, is there anything you could point to and say well, there is that. >> the the mood of the electorate is saying we don't want the same old kind of person. even if you don't like him, you can't judge the electorate about that. i will point out, early on, he had a high negative and people thought you can't even get into the race if you have negative that high. he not only entered the race, but he basically upended his unfavorable rating and made it just as favorable as it had been unfavorable. so we've seen him move from bad to good, now we've seen him move from good to bad.

there is a -- every possibility that because he is so against anything we've ever seen before, he'll find a way to convert back to positive territory with his favorable rating. >> ann, if you were ted cruz, you're looking at your own numbers and donald trump's numbers, what would you point to as the most favorable comparison, where you said this is the -- here is my numbers, here is donald trump's number, this is why i'm the better candidate or the better nominee. >> wow. well, ted cruz is getting better as a candidate. and so his numbers are sort of steadily marching forward. i can't say that he has had a huge rise, but you know, we do tend to look at, well, what's the direction and momentum. it does seem to be that the momentum right now is on ted cruz's side. >> ann, if you look at john kasich, obviously he is arguing a lot about the polls, does he seem to have more upside, in other words, if he got some momentum, is there room for him

to grow? >> well, john kasich does especially well in matchups with hillary clinton. he has said before, he is the only candidate who is beating hillary clinton, and that's in fact true in our poll. so john kasich, he obviously has a huge hill to climb up, but that hill levels out a bit if the people that he is competing against are seeing some adversity. so anything that is happening to cause controversy on the other side and to get people turned off with the negative tone, john kasich's tone is very different. he is well positioned, if only people knew more about him. >> got it. ann, thanks very much, as always. go sit at our table at sardi's. up next, a new trump university course. how to apologize, 101. right after this. add one a day men's ... ...complete multivitamin. with vitamin d and magnesium to help support healthy blood pressure.

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after these past few days, they have seemed pretty bad for donald trump, so we wondered if he might consider apologizing

for any of the things he has done or happened. as it turns out, he was asked about that very subject, apologizing, by anderson cooper, a couple of nights back. >> when was the last time you apologized for something? >> oh, wow. no, i don't believe -- i don't know. can i think? but look, i do believe in apologizing, if you're wrong. but if you're not wrong, i don't believe in apologizing. for instance, i could have apologized, you brought up, we started this with corey, my campaign manager. will you apologize. i said apologize for what. i see the tape. apologize for what. i would love to apologize. it would be so much easier. apologize, corey, you're fired. >> you can't give a specific example that you've apologized, ever. >> i apologized to my mother years ago for using foul language. i apologized to my wife for not being presidential on occasion. she is always saying, darling, be more presidential.

all right, head to bloomberg politics right now, the story on donald trump, powerful weapon with his latest comments on abortion. thanks for watching. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. important questions, important answers. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews back in washington. there continues to be fallout from donald trump's comments on abortion and the use of nuclear weapons at our "hardball" town hall. here is what he said about punishing women who receive one. >> should the woman be punished for having an abortion? this is not something you can dodge. if you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. should abortion be punished?