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>> thank you for having me. >> you got to get out of here. i know you have more work to do. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week. because as you know, if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." good afternoon. we are live from the coffee shop in milwaukee, wisconsin. today donald trump is doing damage control. with less than 48 hours until voting begins here in this pivotal wisconsin primary trump is in a last minute bid to rebuild bridges he burned. he is showing some regrets in a
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way only trump can. >> i think i'm doing very well. was this my best week? i guess not. i could have done without the retweet. i think i'm doing okay. >> he has a lot of ground to make up. right now he is trailing ted cruz by six points in a brand new poll out today. it is neck and neck in the democratic race in wisconsin where bernie sanders has a slight edge over hillary clinton within the margin of error. clinton is not here in wisconsin instead visiting black churches in new york city and responding to criticism that she is taking donations from key players in the fossil fuel industry. >> so when people make these kinds of claims which now i think have been debunked, the "washington post" said three pinocchios. i'm just not going to -- i feel
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sorry sometimes for the young people who don't do their research. >> i don't think we are distorting reality. there is a difference between getting money from a worker and somebody whose job it is to represent that industry. >> so this hour sanders is holding a town hall in wisconsin and he'll finish the day in the liberal stronghold of madison which is expected to be strong for him. this is the final sprint to the finish here and candidates are all over the map. on the republican side cruz hitting green bay in hopes of firming up his lead. trump is making two stops here in the milwaukee area. let's start in milwaukee where donald trump is at a local diner, greeted customers and had breakfast despite being down in the polls he remains confident heading into tuesday's primary.
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>> feels to me like new hampshire. a lot of people thought i was going to lose new hampshire. a lot of people thought we were going to lose south carolina and we won in a landslide. i think this has the feel of a victory. >> good to see you. i had henny bennett on earlier. he suggest that donald trump didn't have a bad week. he was more optimistic than donald trump was. where do you see the lay of the land? you have been talking to wisconsin voters. >> i have been to some rallies, as well, where even they are wondering about his evolving position on abortion. it is often referred to as the third rail of politics. you had this evolving role in a matter of days at first he thought a woman should be punished. then he said i believe the
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abortion should remain illegal and then said abortion is murder. in each change and many viewers watching him say this on television thought it appeared that he was deciding about where he was on this in the moment have said that they think this is an issue that is important to them. those loyal to donald trump say it will not sway his vote. it is really women in this state who can cross over because you have an open primary. donald trump has more or less admitted that he made a mistake. here is what he had to say this morning. >> i have been a politician now for eight months. there is always a learning curve. >> so here he is talking about learning politics. he says he is not a politician. i think he recognizes that by thinking this through the way he did within days and having a shifting opinion that he knows it will have an impact. you heard him say that he
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believes this will be like south carolina and he will surprise people. >> the other thing that he has said is i can be presidential and look presidential. he said maybe when i become president i will be boring. >> he said that -- >> he admits that people have been telling him including his own family you need to look a little more presidential. >> he gets advice. it's whether he takes the advice. donald trump has a confidence that he knows best and so he follows through the way he feels best. he listens he often is the one making the decision as opposed to the focus group that you often see with other candidates. >> ted cruz making three stops across wisconsin today. the texas senator is about to kick off his first rally of the day in green bay.
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joining me jacob rascone. cruz leading trump and kasich in wisconsin. he has more at stake than anybody. >> reporter: really he does. we talk about trump's momentum and how important it is for him also really for cruz his momentum is really at stake. after wisconsin the calendar looks favorable to trump on the east coast who is ahead by 20 points, 30 points. so this really matters to cruz. he is the clear front runner. he was ahead with every category except independents including those with a college degree. at any moment cruz will take the stage. he is here with scott walker, carly fiorina. he has brought support in the state and a recent endorsement from a congressman in the state. one of the first to talk about the never trump movement who has come out now and supported ted
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cruz. the polls show he may be winning this one. that will be important, vital for the cruz campaign. >> thanks to you. i should note that the most recent poll noted that he was helped by the endorsement of the governor here. some people questioned whether that would make a difference. seems to be at least on the margins. there is something big going on in north dakota. presidential delegates being chosen at that state's republican convention. the 28 unbound delegates account for 1% of the total delegates but they could ultimately alter the balance of the election. we want to get the latest from our delegate hunter. >> reporter: it is an extraordinary experience out here at the north dakota republican convention. the votes are literally being tallied right now. i'm here with executive director of the north dakota republican party. how is the process going?
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>> i think it is going really well. we have tellers working extremely hard. it is not an easy thing. there are 25 names on a slate of 74. it will take quite a bit of time, probably at least four more hours. we'll see how they progress. >> at the end of the day the folks who are going to go to cleveland will be picked by the 1,600 or so delegates here. the party recommended 25 at the top of the list. do you think those are the ones to go or have campaigns gotten into this and might shake it up a little bit. >> it's not the party who chooses. it is a committee of 11 people who vet the applicants and put forth their recommendation. those people aren't guaranteed to go. anyone in the state could apply. you don't have to be a delegate to make that happen. so i'm really not sure what will happen with the slate. it could pass. it has in the past. i think the campaigns have been working really hard so we could see results that are different. >> certainly different here. ted cruz was here yesterday.
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ben carson was here today. right now john kasich's representative is speaking. some folks have called the process undemocratic because the delegates are not bound to the will of the voters but to the will of these folks in this room. what is your response? >> my response is what our state committee decided. we had the vote back in august to not have a caucus. our state roles were in direct conflict. everyone has the opportunity to participate in the process. >> there was a little bit of a floor fight between whether or not unbound delegates should reveal who they are going to vote for. right now they don't have to. would you like to see them declare the candidate they want to support? >> i think it should be up to the individual to do as they wish. i don't this can it is good if we require anyone to do anything. we have gone into this process knowing that our delegates
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aren't bound. i don't think it is fair to them to force them to go in front of a room of 2,000 people and say who they are going to support because that could change between now and july. >> very interesting stuff. very important stuff. as chuck todd said this place could have more importance in the wisconsin primary on tuesday with the delegates coming out. i will send it back to you for now. >> msnbc's thank you so much. to show what trump is up against there is brand new polling that finds 52% of republican primary voters who aren't backing trump say he should be stopped in july. when you look at just women it goes up to 63%. for more on the republican race i'm joined by washington post national political reporter robert costa who conducted that revealing interview with donald trump. here with me in milwaukee the political watch dog columnist for milwaukee journal sentinel.
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so many head lines out of that great interview. give us a sense of what it was like and what was your main take away? >> the main take away from the conversation is trump is trying to pivot to a general election campaign but still feels preoccupied by the primary battle. he knows he is down in the polls and has a fighter's mentality. so we try to push him on this and said you have low poll numbers, struggling to unite your party. he kept being resisted to the proposed advice to moderate his tone. >> some people have suggested that he said some things to get headlines including the massive recession line because he wants to take attention away from some of the problems that he has had and he has talked about his claim that he can eliminate the deficit in eight years. so i asked his senior adviser this morning. here is what he told me about
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that claim. >> we can get rid of buildings we are not using. we can extract the energy from government lands. we can do all kinds of things to extract value from the assets that we hold. >> $16 trillion worth. >> you know how much land we have? you know how much oil is offshore and on government lands? easily. >> and by the way that is different than what trump told you which is he would do it by renegotiating trade deals and military deals. is this kind of lack of specificity of how he would do the things what is behind what is going on in wisconsin? what do you make overall of his sort of policy positions? >> it was startling to hear a major presidential candidate so close to the nomination talk about a massive economic recession that seems imminent in
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his mind to talk about being, quote, a terrible time to invest almost advising people in the united states to not invest in the u.s. market. many critics say he makes these predictions all the time and has been wrong before. you still have someone who has risen in stature in american politics warning against the american economy. that is so different than most politicians and shows you how different he is on policy instead of talking up the market or the future of the u.s. economy he is talking in a bleak way about overvalued stock market. >> give us a sense of what you see happening here in wisconsin. he was sounding confident today. he doesn't do very well at playing the expectations game, trump, where do you see the race right now? >> the polls show he is slightly behind. you are seeing best attributes as a candidate. he doesn't want to lose. a lot of people go down ten
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points they would leave and go to new york and fight there. instead, he has doubled down. he has continued his criticism of republican establishment here and backed off a little bit on the abortion issue. mostly, he has increased his presence. he is all over the place, two events today, another event tomorrow. he doesn't want to lose wisconsin. >> he also has talked about the fact that he went on these radio shows, widely criticized for not knowing he was going on to shows that people had been organizing against him. barry bennett said -- i said did you not prep him? he said he knew what he was getting into. here is what donald trump said today.
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>> so whether this or criticism of scott walker or paul ryan, do you think he has misread wisconsin and its voters? >> i think he misread the voters but he is who he is. he is going to go on the attack. he is going to attack scott walker and not back down. similar to the "washington post" story we were discussing you get the sense he is making it up as you go along which is the appealing thing about this. you think when you listen to him talk about abortion that maybe he hasn't thought through this issue before and is thinking through it in front of all of us and thinking about the economy and what the economy will be like for the next eight years. he is working through those things. when they don't work he backs off and tries to restart again. certain times when he makes an error like he did with talk radio he just doubles down and goes after talk radio calling them low lives, idiots, stupid people. >> the examples of where he
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seems conflicted, trump claims he wants party unity but was asked whether he would consider a third party run. >> i would have to see how i was treated, very simple. >> you are not ruling it out? >> it is not a question of win or lose. i want to be treated fair. >> so robert costa, if trump loses badly here, what are the chances we are heading to an open convention. >> cruz based on polling is likely to win in wisconsin. trump could do better drawing from rural areas. trump has a chance to come back in his home state of new york. you have kasich polling well in pennsylvania which has its primary on the same day as new york. coming into may you could have three different candidates still
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in the race. that means an open convention is very likely. what the trump campaign is trying to do is say if they have more delegates go into cleveland they believe they should be the nominee regardless of whether he reaches the threshold. that is the argument to say they are the legitimate nominee. >> if he does lose here i think the question next wednesday will be is this an anomaly or a turning point? with new york coming towards it it will look more like an anomaly. >> thank you for coming in once again. robert costa, great to see you as always. still to come, the democrats and the feud over their next face-off. bernie sanders and hillary clinton continuing to spar over dates for the new york debate. first the former secretary of state on meet the press making the case for the democrats. >> we may have differences, of course, we do. we don't condone violence.
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we are live in milwaukee ahead of tuesday's wisconsin primary. the democratic front runner hillary clinton was in new york city this morning where she spoke with several local african-american churches. she plans to campaign in new york today and tomorrow as the fight over when another debate will happen there continues. are you going to debate in new york? when are you going to debate? >> i'm confident we will. our campaigns are trying to reach an agreement about that. we have offered dates and we have done it over the last several weeks. >> he has proposed sunday evening april 17th.
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are you in? >> i'm not negotiating, chuck. we have proposed thursday the 14th which gives people more time to digest what happens in the debate. is he in? >> but before new york voters here in wisconsin will have their say on tuesday. and a new poll shows the race will go down to the wire with clinton closing the gap to two points. this is sanders at a rally in wisconsin. >> now, we are here in wisconsin and if we have a large voter turnout, if we have many people who have previously given up on the political process, working people who have turned their backs on washington, if people begin to come out, if young people start coming out we will win on tuesday. >> kelly o'donnell is in eau
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claire wisconsin with the latest. >> reporter: good afternoon. we have been talking to voters here who are excited about wisconsin primary on tuesday in part because eau claire has been a must stop for candidates in both parties so voters have had a chance to hear what some friends and neighbors are saying. we have talked to people who already cast a ballot in early voting and some who cast the first ballot. on the democratic side one thing we are seeing coming out in wisconsin is some differences about what it means to be a democratic candidate, who has the better experience and record to represent democratic voters in the fall? and hillary clinton is emphasizing that she has been put through the test of the national limelight and bernie sanders is pointing out that the polls show he has a good chance against donald trump. >> i think we need a nominee who has been tested and vetted
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already. and for 25 years they have thrown everything they could at me but i'm still standing. >> i happen to believe based on all of the polling that i have seen and on other factors that i'm the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump. and i say this and with no disrespect to secretary clinton or anybody else. >> reporter: we have watched how both candidates have tried to be publically respectful to each other knowing they need the voters who are supporting the other candidate and want to keep some democratic unity especially to contrast that with republicans who have had a lot more divisiveness and sharper rhetoric. wisconsin will be the focus over the final days and on the democratic side it is a close
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race. bernie sanders feels confident he can pull it off and hillary clinton has said she doesn't want to take any vote for granted. >> thank you so much. joining me now on set here in wisconsin is wisconsin political consultant long time democratic operative who was president obama's communications director here in 2012. so it's interesting to me when i got here all the people i was talking to saying bernie sanders. now we have a poll that shows two points. i can see that some people are a little more nervous, on the other side maybe feeling they can pull an upset. >> my sense is it was never about who won the horse race. i'm looking at the delegate fight. even if you look eight years ago barack obama beat hillary clinton here by 18 points but only took ten more delegates than she did. we are at a point where senator sanders needs nights where she takes chunks out of her delegate
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lead. >> headlines and momentum, whatever that is really don't matter? >> i don't think it is going to change the contours of this race. i'm surprised that the numbers are what they are. i have thought for a long time this was a very strong state for sanders given our demographic makeup. maybe they do see a path. >> one interesting thing is wisconsin likes the front runner. we are not seeing that this time around. and we are also seeing both front runners have very high negatives. even clinton is minus 23. how do you get from a minus 23 not just to the nomination but a strong candidate in the general? >> the dynamic is going to change once we have a republican and democratic nominee you will see partisans on both sides come home. democrats will have an easier
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time coalescing around their nominee. this has been a more civil affair on the democratic side. and then whether it is secretary clinton or senator sanders they will start defining the contrast between democratic agenda and the republicans. >> bernie sanders sweet spot is madison. he wants to run up the numbers there. everyone i'm talking to is looking for potentially a record turnout here. how does the new voter i.d. law play into this? is it likely to hurt bernie sanders? >> i think that is the most demographic to be adversely affected. there has been some confusion over how students get voter i.d. cards. so that is one of two things i'm watching. >> or will they make the effort to get what they need? >> i think they are clearly caught up in the passion around senator sanders campaign. they have great music acts
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tonight. i think there is passion there. harnessing it and turning out to the polls i'm watching. >> it was interesting because sometimes things hit people in ways you might not expect. you have a big democratic dinner. hillary clinton talked a lot about a very hotly contested state supreme court race that is going on here. i'm told that both candidates were asked to hit on that and to hit on it hard. it matters a lot to the wisconsin democratic party. she did. he didn't. does anybody take monotice of that. >> she gets the support of the people in that room. i'm not sure that outside of those donors and insiders in the democratic party it will make a big difference but it is a difference in style. clinton is about strengthening the democratic party and thinking down ballot. senator sanders has been talking
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about the revolution. the revolution seems to be about a presidential candidate and the people who vote for him and no races between. >> those speak to the different background and experience they have in national politics. give me your gut, how is this going to end up on tuesday? >> i think sanders gets to go into new york and pennsylvania with a claim to momentum but without having really changed the delegate map. >> so good to see you. up next we take the pulse of the people. wisconsin voters weigh in on who they support for president and why. we also have a thing or two to say about who they do not want as commander in chief as you'll find out coming up 6789. is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders
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party politics here in wisconsin. a fundraiser for the party and some of these tables cost $10,000. a couple of things we found out talking to people. number one, they know their politics. number two, there is someone on the ballot who they definitely will not be voting for. >> donald trump is not going to win you ever? [ laughter ] >> no. no way. >> none of you tempted by trump? >> not at all. not at all. >> no, really not in favor of trump being president. >> thinking about crossing over? >> to avoid trump, yes. >> two hillarys and a bernie. why bernie sanders in. >> i agree more with his policies. i'm in college. free public tuition thing is a good thing. >> you're hillary?% >> i think there is no person that is better prepared to walk into the role of presidency than secretary clinton. >> i guess personally i'm a
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democratic person for life so whether i have to phone bank and hit the streets for hillary or bernie i will do what it takes to get a democratic president at office. i voted for bill. that was the first president i was old enough to vote for. i did write in hillary's name. so i wrote in her name during the last election. >> instead of barack obama? >> yes, i did. >> what is it about her? >> i think her poise. she has her hands on the issue. >> why are you here tonight? >> this election season has a special status in my heart. i am very saddened to hear the negativity from the republican side against -- i am muslim by faith. there is 30% of the population that we deal with on a daily basis that i feel like we are friends to realize that there is
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that many people have such a negative view that support banning muslims from coming to this country. >> you get involved in the campaigns as members of young democrats? >> knocking doors, making phone calls, registering voters probably the biggest thing we focus on in college campuses to ensure that every student has the opportunity to get there and vote for whichever candidate they support. >> for me it is my future. people think that as a young student we don't have a voice but we grow with our politicians and whoever gets voted in is going to affect my life even once i'm out of college. >> so interesting talking to those folks. still to come, bernie sanders fight for yet another win. the vermont senator urging wisconsinites to turn out in big numbers on tuesday saying if
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we're back here live in milwaukee although i have been told if i want to sound like a cheese head i have to say milwaukee, no l. we are less than 48 hours away from when voters have their say in what is shaping up to be a pivotal contest in the race for president. we have new polls that show margins shrinking for both democrats and republicans. ted cruz's lead over donald trump down to six points according to the latest cbs survey. two points separating bernie sanders and hillary clinton. that is within the margin of error. joining me from madison is bernie sanders supporter and former lieutenant governor of wisconsin. it's good to see you. are you surprised that hillary
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clinton seems to be tightening up this race? >> i think we have long been expecting a very close race because this is so important to the people of wisconsin. we have been living with a governor whose agenda for our state is more a love letter to his donors. so we are very excited about the opportunity to elect a president who is going to address the issue of money in politics head on and work with us to restore the middle class and our faith in government. >> hillary clinton obviously senses some opportunity. she has added events here. we know she was here last night along with senator sanders at the big dinner in milwaukee. do you sense she is gaining? and do you think it is a tighter race than you might have thought two or three weeks ago? >> she has left the state and senator sanders is still here crisscrossing the state and will be here all day tomorrow. we have a huge rally in madison with doors opening at 3:00 and
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bands and lots of fun and excitement. it's a reflection of how vibrant the support is for senator sanders and it just continues to grow. as long as he is here more people flock to his vision for what we can do for this nation. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders certainly compare to the republicans have had a fairly restrained back and forth certainly when it comes to personal attacks. hillary clinton is now questioning his democratic credentials. she said this just today -- let me play it for you. >> and i'm also a democrat and have been a proud democrat all my adult life. and i think that's kind of important if we are selecting somebody to be the democratic nominee of the democratic party. >> is she right? is that important? >> what is important -- she is a
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part of the democratic party establishment. what is very important right now is for the democratic party establishment to recognize the millions of people both democrats and independents who share the values that our party aspouses and welcome them in. they have come forward for bernie sanders because they believe that he has the strength and the vision, the imagination for us to restore the democratic process and to do it with integrity and to really represent the people. >> let's talk about the bottom line here because the math for the nomination is daunting. senator sanders has to win 66% of all remaining delegates and i don't have to tell you this is not a winner take all state. let me ask you, are you nevertheless in favor of sanders taking this all the way to the convention? >> bernie sanders, as i said, in the states like michigan when he is there people flock to him and
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he wins. and he just won all of those caucus states and now in wisconsin. i'm confident that he will win and continue to build momentum in the campaign. this is important. both he and hillary clinton become better candidates as it goes forward. i look forward to them debating in the state of new york. i know this will be yet one more big launch pad with a huge bounce for bernie sanders in wisconsin. >> tuesday will be very telling. former wisconsin lieutenant governor thank you so much for coming on the program. and here to talk about the numbers on both sides of the race mort chi lee, professor of political science here in milwaukee. he also served in the wisconsin state assembly and senate as a democrat. let me pick up on what you just heard from the former lieutenant governor. is she drinking the kool aid a
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little bit with all due respect? or is hillary clinton gaining here? >> there are cynics who think that the media wants it to be a close race. in this case these are authentic numbers, reliable numbers. there is only one number to focus on and that is the 33% of wisconsinites consider themselves independent. and in wisconsin there is no voter registration by party. you register as a voter. when you go to the polls they hand you one sheet of paper that has both primaries on them. the moment you have to decide which party you vote for and which candidate you vote for is in the booth. i suspect that right now as we are talking there is a kind of invisible conference call among all independents. >> do you think so really? because when i talk to both republican and democratic party leaders unlike many other states where they were nervous about the crusover vote i don't hear here that a lot here.
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at least the sense with party leadership is that they see people who generally vote democratic voting democratic and people who generally vote republican voting republican. do you think there is something in the dynamic to change that? >> wisconsin politics when you talk about acro crossover vote y sort of embarrass the other party. you can go back to lyndon johnson in 1964. george wallace did phenomenonally well in wisconsin. i think what it is is that the independents are going to be sincere in the sense of i consider myself an independent but today for purposes of this election i want to vote in the republican primary or the democratic primary. that is not malicious. >> do you think there is a chance of upset here on the republican side? donald trump talking confident today? >> the numbers on the republican side seem a lot harder than numbers on the democratic side. but sometimes numbers look so specific to us. from my experience in politics
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everything is soft, everything is a kind of maybe. so i suspect there is a chance of an upset. i think you are on the mark when you think it is a clinton/sanders neck and neck race. >> you brought props. these are things that were mailed to you. two flyers and these aren't cheap. two on social security, two on wall street, all four of them from bernie sanders. you got nothing from the clinton camp? >> what really interested me because of my background in politics is would this be trailered to wisconsin. it says wisconsin. >> this one says wisconsin for bernie. these are both social security ones. i can show that if i'm showing you the right -- i'm not. so all four of them say wisconsin for bernie. >> the text of one says wisconsin which means we weren't getting just the template. they were deciding what they
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thought wisconsinites would resonate with. >> does that tell you something about why bernie sanders might have a better chance? i doubt these are going to the college kids who are going to turnout potentially he hopes in force around madison. >> i'm a suburbanite in milwaukee. he thinks the wall street issue cuts into claim. >> i have to say that i have rarely and iowa, new hampshire those voters know a lot about what is going on. there are so many important other races aside from president going on in wisconsin. i was wondering is it overload or are people so engaged that they feel compelled to be a part of this process. >> usually in this presidential primary that is the marquis race what pulls people in. in this case i think it's nose to nose. some people are attracted by
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presidential primary and some by the supreme court race. in a sense that is good. there is synergy that we have turnouts by all categories of voters. >> past is something that somebody like you looks like. how does this all play out. the past tells us in milwaukee they have traditionally voted for the front runner meaning hillary clinton or donald trump. right now both of them at least to some extent are under dogs in the polls. why is this year different not just in the rest of the country but seems to be in wisconsin, as well. >> we are going to have a record turnout. we will have a noah's flood. it will be a record might be near 2 million people. that is for a professor of government that doesn't get better than that. >> about 40%? >> a little higher. >> university of wisconsin political science professor thank you so much. somebody said to me they think that if bernie sanders wins big there could be 60% turnout in
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we are now just two days away from the big primary case here in wisconsin. the front-runner, donald trump, is way behind here in the milwaukee area. down 38 points to senator ted cruz but trump is doing a lot better in rural areas, and if he hopes to win more delegates, that's where he's got to get better numbers. get close to clichb muching the nomination before the convention. you've got to win in those rural areas of the state. msnbc's tony decopal has spent
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the day talking to some of those winners in fondulac which i just found out is bottom of the lake. >> he pronounced fon du lac correctly. he's down 10 points. he's making a last-ditch effort. he's making seven stops over three days. he has to move quickly. move more quickly probably than the air waves. he's losing a battle with conservative talk radio. he took that on in one of these rallies. anyone who listened to the charlie sykes interview, trump made an appearance. he said anyone who heard that is going to vote for me. that guy, charlie sykes, is a whack job. we're going to fact check that. he's selling trump games here including the donald trump board game. anybody who heard that interview is going to vote for donald trump. >> i heard the interview when he was on monday. i heard it.
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there's no way i am voting for charlie sykes. i'm sorry, i'm voting for donald trump, not at all. >> you like charlie sykes. >> i'd vote for charlie sykes first. >> trump is out of the running here for you. who do you like? >> i like ted cruz. >> it doesn't look like either one of them are going to have enough votes. we'll have a brokered convention. >> that's a good thing because you may need 1260 or so so you should have a brokered convention. i don't think once it gets past the first ballot, tlump's going to drop like a rock. >> counter indicator for trump's popularity. you're selling donald trump board games, the original donald trump board games. how are they selling in these parts? >> not at all. not selling very well at all. >> what does that tell you? >> that tells you he ain't very popular in this end of the state. >> bad news for donald trump. i think donald trump is making a big push. he has to move more quickly than
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the air waves here in wisconsin and no one can do that. >> i have a small monitor here. what's that little price tag say on that donald trump board game? >> this tells you everything you need to know. it's a $5 price tag at the top but if you turn it over it's been reduced to $3. still no takers other than our producer here at nbc. we'll be bringing it out to "30 rock." >> tony decopal, thank you very much. i have never played the donald trump board game from the apprentice, but for $3, what do you know? anyway, thank you, tony. that's going to do it for me from here in milwaukee. thank you for joining us. thanks to all of the folks here at the anadime coffee shop. msnbc's exclusive town hall with donald trump is coming up next. don't let dust and allergies get between you
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