your e-mails line at the debate. thank you for joining us. chuck is going to be back tomorrow with more mtp daily, and with all due respect starts right now. the donald is calling himself the lone ranger. >> i am who i am. i'm a problem solver. i know how to solve problems. >> i'm killing everybody. i have been tough. takes gutsz, believe me, folks. it takes guts. i have very powerful hands and large hands. >> if he's the lone ranger, who's tanto. >> no more orange. >> hi-ho, halperin, on this, the eve of the wisconsin primary election, donald trump and ted

cruz are barnstorming the badging state. highlights include cruz telling fox news the republican front-runner's personal life hasn't been immaculate, while the billionaire repeated his lying ted routine and predicted a very big victory, quote, for himself tomorrow, despite polls showing him trailing. cruz and trump reserved their biggest blows today for john kasich, who both claim is merely a spoiler who should no longer bei be in the race. here's trump in lacrosse this morning and cruz in madison, each making the case this is, in fact, a two-way race, and kasich or any other establishment hopeful has no business competing at the national convention. >> i said kasich should get out. normally, i wouldn't say that. normally i wouldn't say it. he's like a sturben guy. he's stubborn. he doesn't want to leave. they asked him, are you going to leave? no. he hurts me much more than he hurts cruz. cruz wants him out.

cruz is wrong. he hurts me. in fact, a recent poll came out where i get many more of his votes than cruz gets. >> this fevered pipe dream of washington that at the convention, they will parachute in some white knight who will save the washington establishment, it is nothing less than a pipe dream. it ain't going to happen. if it did, the people would quite rightly revolt. under what universe do 1,000 trump delegates or 1,000 cruz delegates go vote for some uber washington lobbiest who hasn't been on the ballot? >> so who does john kasich hurt more by staying in the race? here's the ohio governor's take as he defended himself today while campaigning in hempstead, new york. >> donald trump said that i need to get out of the race because i'm getting his voters. no, no, i've got news for him. i'm going to get a heck of a lot

of his voters. that's what's going to happen. now, the reason why i'm going to get his voters is because i understand exactly what his voters are worried about. they're worried about that their job is not secure. >> mark, we know why cruz wants kasich out. it is trump trump trump going after kasich out of strategry or pure peak? >> strategry. first of all, even if cruz wins wisconsin, in the northeast, i still think there are people who believe, rightly, that kasich make take more vote from trump, keep him from getting to a majority. trump needs a majority now. people around him recognize he must get the majority, and kasich represents a threat in the northeast where trump hopes to harvest a lot of delegates if cruz doesn't catch on. the other reason cruz is a threat is the more delegates he accumulates, the longer he's in the race, the more it's a

possibility on the third or fourth ballot, it goes to kasich. trump needs kasich out. >> there's no doubt that there's some element of peak involved here, too. trump is annoyed, and he's using the same weird language he used sometimes with hillary clinton where he says things like this personal shouldn't be allowed to run, as if there's a governor body that sets rules determined by trump who is a legitmous candidate. the point you're making is the notion in the northeastern states, kasich is going to take almost exclusively votes from trump. trump has appeal to moderates across the northeast that cruz does not have. cruz will have a core of conservative votes in these states. and moderate votes, kasich will take both from trump. that's why i think you're right on the strategic level. trump needs the moderate votes to win the northeastern states against cruz. >> he's rolling the dice a little bit because one-on-one,

it's possible cruz could start beating him, but that's a chance he's willing to take. >> on the show on friday before we said good-bye for the weekend, we deemed last week probably the worst of donald trump's entire campaign. since then, he has been all over the place. this weekend, trump gave interviews to two sunday shows, the "washington post" published a transcript of a long conversation between trump and the journalist bob woodward and bob costa. new york magazine put out a long profile of trump and his team, and more baffling than anything else, like charlie brown drawn to lucy's football, trump gave another interview to maureen dowd of the "new york times" during which the man who doesn't usually apologize admitted it was a mistake to retweet an unflattering picture of ted cruz's wife. donald trump held three events in wisconsin today, scheduled to be on hannity tonight. is he more or less in control of his public image in a positive way now than he was when we last

spoke about it friday night? >> marginally less. last week was the week in which we saw trump lose control of his public image. i don't think this profusion of word has helped him get in control of his public image. i'm not a media adviser, but it seems to me the better course if you're trying to regain control is to make a couple carefully controlled appearances or do a couple carefully controlled interviews in which you try to reset. instead, he's promiscuously talked to anyone who wants to talk to him, and the profusion of words were too diffuse to control the claim he should have been trying to reclaim after the bad week last week. >> i think the two things he's doing now at are hurting him more over the past 72, 96 hours, one is he keeps talking about how his family wants him to be more presidential. then he doesn't do it. he's highlighting the fact he's ignoring the advice a lot of people have given him.

the other thing is when trump has done well, he talked about trade, he talked about the border. he talked about killing isis, beating isis. he's now doing these wide rangeling interviews where he says things that i think could be popular and a lot of people think would be sensible, but they're not getting coverage. what's get coverage is the three or four things driving him off message. >> he's not a particularly disciplined candidate. up until the last couple weeks, the discipline has not hurt him much, but i do think at this point, that that indiscipline and the areas in which he is not well prepared, the abortion thing is the best example, not brepaired to answer that question on a substantive level, all of it has created the impression and it's a phrase i use sometimes with you, indiscriminate flailing, not applied to you, but seeing candidates -- >> you hear the bell ring? >> i did not. the bell has rung. >> move on. >> after the 2000 presidential race, the national became an expert in butterfly ballots.

in 2008, they learned about proportional representation. this year, we're getting a tutorial in the delegate selection process. even if trump loses, he still has a strong lead in the number of bound delegates. trump has 736 delegates so far, followed by ted cruz at 463. kasich is pretty far behind at 143. but this weekend, team cruz appeared to pick up a majority of delegates at the north dakota state convention. while the trump campaign says it's ready for the delegate wrangling game if the convention in cleveland goes past a first ballot, cruz forces have reportedly outmaneuvered in them in other states. when it comes to delegate allocation itself and the spin war surrounding that process, do you think trump is in a better or worse position now? >> far, far worse. being outflanked by the cruz people in some places. more important, i think, is he's losing the spin wars. it's now, and i can tell you this is what i do for a living.

i can tell you what's going on. in republican and conservative circles it's becoming increasingly acceptable to roll trump at the convention. if he doesn't win it on the first ballot, it's perfectly within the rules to take it away from him, give it to cruz or kasich or someone else. and that is pure danger because right now, particularly after tomorrow, if he doesn't get any delegates or a handful in whisk wick, i don't think he'll going to get a majority. >> trump will never win the spin wars on this front. >> he was doing fine a couple weeks ago. the conventional wisdom was if you try to take it from him, there will be rioting in the streets. >> that's what he said. he got a ton of blow-back from saying that. i think he's been losing the entire time in the spin war because he loses because a lot of the people in the establishment who run the media don't want him to have the nomination. he loses because this is how the rules are set up and the media is rooting for a contest eed convention. >> people are learning about the rules saying a majority is a majority. >> that's the conclusion you have to come to.

and trump is looking incompetent, which is another thing the media does not like. feel free to criticize trump if he's running an incompetent campaign. in that case, the only thing that matters is actual delegate accumulation. he's losing there, too. >> he needs to win in new york big. >> of course, we're constantly updated our delegate tracker. up next, here's a cheesehead scratcher. what happens if hillary clinton ends up winning the wisconsin primary tomorrow? we'll talk about the implications of that hypothetical right after this. e and to connect us with the wonderment of nature. with t tiger image, the saliva coming off and you got this turning. that's w i need this kind of resolution and computing power. being able to use a pen like this on the screen directly with the image, it just gives me a different relationship to it and i can't do that on my mac. this is brilliant for me.

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hot and fresh emerson university poll of wisconsin democrats shows bernie sanders maintaining his badger state lead over hillary clinton, 51% to 43%. that matches the conventional wisdom that wisconsinites will feel the bern tomorrow in the voting booth. there is however a cbs news tracking poll this weekend that shows a much tighter race and than online poll. sanders is up only two, 49% to

47%. which got us thinking, john, what if clinton does pull a come from behind victory in wisconsin, contrary to what most of the public polling shows and how would that change the race if she does? >> it would change the race a great deal. we both accept this notion that anybody who has paid attention accepts the notion that bernie sanders no matter what happened has a nearly insurmountable deficit in the pledged delegates. he will have a lot of momentum, they'll have a big fight in new york. if he loses wisconsin where he has been perceived as ahead, where the clinton campaignpecta to win, where his campaign said if he doesn't win, he can't be the nominee, if he loses now, stick a fork in it, it's over. >> sophisticates in brooklyn are waiting for the moment when they can start saying to their surrogates in labor, the specific members of congress, start calling for him to drop out. because even if sanders goes

forward, and he probably will, they want to marginalize him, not have the contests as make or break, as tests of hillary clinton's competence. i'm looking at you, brian fallen, wherever you are. they want that moment. they could get it if she wins. i don't know how close this race is. i have no idea, but i do know even if sanders wins, he has a bit of a problem because the public polls have him winning by double digits. he better win win big, because it won't give him the momentum he needs. the clinton people, no matter what he wins by, the clinton people are going to say he didn't pick up enough delegates to make a difference. >> i think if he wins, i'm always on the win is a win line most of the time, but i think it's just -- it really is, just the conventional wisdom, i heard the bell, the conventional wisdom -- >> yet you're still talking. >> we had to make this point. the clinton wisdom is he picks up votes when he campaigns in a state. he's there basically alone all last week.

if he pulls short, even that piece of sanders magic will be gone. >> now for merrick garland gab. two republicans willing to break with their party amid the supreme court nomination breakoff. they have now reversed their positions. they're now against holding hearings for the president's scotus pick. kelly ayotte said she'll meet with garland next wednesday. has a hearing gone from a long shot to a no shot? >> it has. the twists and turns will continue. i'm not saying this is the death knell, but until now, the white house has had forward progress. most every development has been in their favor. these two senators reversing course and saying no hearing makes it clear how much pressure is being put on all republican senators both by the leadership and the grassroots to say no hearing. the key is the hearing. if they say no hearing, i don't know there will ever be a hearing. >> i have always thought at some point republicans would cave,

and that they would end up having to give this man a hearing and voting him down if that was their choice. i now increasingly think it's probably the case it looks like party discipline really is going to hold. i think it's suicidal from the republican standpoint, beutit looks like mcconnell will hold the people together. >> it shows once again, the republican party more than the democratic party right now is in this echo chamber of conservative media, grassroots. they should listen to their voters and they're entitled to make the decision said they want to, but they are courting trouble. i think they think it's a point of no return. mitch mrk connell said no hearing, grassley said no hearing. if they say it, they are canary in the coal mine to say this is moving against the white house now and if they can't get a hearing, they're not going to get him confirmed. >> i think that's right. >> alex wagner and many others coming up on the program to join us right here after these words from our sponsors. there's only one egg

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last night was the finale of the nomination fight portion of the circus, our series on showtime produced in cooperation with bloomberg politics. we'll be taking a break before coming back on the air this summer before the conventions. for this week's episode, we brought msnbc analyst alex wagner to join us and mark mckinnon on the campaign trail

in the badger state where alex got a chance to talk to some bernie sanders supporters that we are now calling naturally the bernie badgers. >> so we're at the badgers for bernie headquarters. in madison, wisconsin. this is the distillation of the sanders campaign, right? totally grassroots, young, fired up, idealistic, optimistic. it's a movement. anyone in this room undecided? i'm kidding. i figured. so how are you guys feeling about tuesday? >> really good. i'm feeling increasingly better. >> wisconsin is a big deal in terms of the narrative here. it's a primary state. could play a pivotal role. >> it's funny because in wisconsin it's not only the progress of t birth of the progressive movement here, but the birth of mccarthyism. >> i believe it's actually like

statistically the most polarized state in the country. >> in the general, it's a swing state because of that polarization. >> but so let me ask you a question. only one is going to be the nominee. so what's going to happen? >> we go for bernie. >> are you saying if he's not the nominee? >> that's the question that hillary supporters never really get. it's always the bernie supporters who get, what happens when hillary wins? >> the reason we get that question is we have attracted so many groups that normally don't vote. the question is, if this candidate who has inspired you to get involved is no longer in the race, what is the likelihood you'll fall in line with the party. >> if you're faced with donald trump and hillary clinton -- >> i have to see. >> that's tough for a lot of people. as of right now, i'm still just for bernie right now. >> there's a very strong emotional core. right? that's central to the organizing efforts and the campaign, too. they're really confident about

madison. they feel good about the state. i think they think they're going to win. >> back from wisconsin, joining us now through the magic of television, we're here with alex wagner. thanks for coming on this show. having been on that show. >> i'm just following you wherever you have a broadcast i want to be a part of. >> thank you for doing that. you spent a bunch of time following bernie sanders, as evidences there and also hillary clinton. give us your sense of how the democratic race is shaping up out there and what you saw on the ground. >> i liken it to an engagement. it's like asking the engaged, the betrothed what a you going to do if the marriage doesn't work out. they don't want to think about the possibility that bernie sanders doesn't get the nomination. you're still talking to massive crowds of very committed, very engaged, largely young people. who see a stark difference between the two democrats candidates. right now, they're full steam ahead. they're officially actually john the badgers for bernie. not just colocualy.

>> you had the same experience and you saw that in the clip, which is the sanders supporters tend to be the most well informed people i ever talked to in politics. why is that and how has it manifested itself in. >> for a lot of them, his is the first time they have been really in gauged in the political process. they have gotten informed, read up. one of the people in the bernie badgers found out about bernie sanders from the bb krrb. they're getting their -- >> short wave radio. >> exactly, getting their media from different sources and going deep dive, they listen. we went to a bunch of bernie sanders events in wisconsin. he gets into the issues. they know those issues. it's almost like a call and response. i likened it in the show to a revival. they're going to hear the good word. in large part, it's the good word they know. >> in addition to issues, they know a ton about the delegate process. >> that's actually dangerous for clinton. they're now all beginning to

talk about pledged delegates versus superdelegates. if everyone think there's going to be a kumbaya and everybody well get in line for clinton, i think there is going to be a bigger circling of the wagons and a prolonged process. >> one of the great moments on the episode we put on the air, this is like a web extra here. >> yes, the first time i have seen that. >> that was not actually in the show that aired last night. what we did show was you going to a clinton rally, a sanders rally and talking to people in both lines. stark difference in terms of the level of commitment. compare and contrast. >> the clinton event, which initially was the last event she was going to have before she left the state of wisconsin, it was a good crowd, but i went through the crowd asking people what they thought about clinton's chances in wisconsin, and literally half the people i spoke to said i'm still undecided and/or i love sanders. i would love to see a unity ticket. contrast that to a sanders rally

the next day with thousands of people. i literally walked around the line creeping out, is anyone here undecided? and you -- people laughed at me. you literally could not find someone who was thinking maybe i'll support hillary clinton. >> the question was, from those people in the line, are you asking me whether i'm excited? >> yes, i'm excited. someone was like, are you serious? almost insulted you would ask if someone was undecided. >> in new york, what happens when the circus moves to new york and he continues to draw big crowds and she doesn't? we have talked about that, but i'm curious what you think. does it make a difference? >> he's already polling huge crowds in new york. again, i think every week is another chance for the sanders campaign to claim legitimacy in terms of carrying this forward. the longer they have the momentum, am more hopes a raised, the more people think this marriage could work out. in the end, i'm not sure you're going to have sanders people defect to trump, but i think the heartbreak will be that much

more pronounced. >> we have seen her lash out a couple times on the campaign trail recently in frustration at the situation. what do you think she'll do, how will she react if she comes to new york and sands is drawing thousands and she's drawing hundreds? >> i think we're starting to see the frustration evident in the clinton campaign. snapping on the rope line, and they want to put this away. she wants to pivot and focus on trump and focus on the general. i think the case that she's going to have to make and the only one that truly resonates with sanders supporters is consider the alternative. look what a trump presidency would mean for the country. you know there's a difference, so get on board. >> how is she performing as a candidate when you saw her in wisconsin? >> i thought -- i know you went to a clinton event the day before i arrived in wisconsin. energy was lower there. she's still fighting for it. she's a better campaigner, i think, this go-around than she was in 2008. and she went into this eyes wide open knowing it would require stamina and tenacity. so far, i don't think she's

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fundamentally designed, at least i have always fement that my mother and father were right, and my mother was especially right. make things better for the fact that you were there. and i have been in politics for a long time. i left for ten years of my life. was the greatest ten years, okay. but i always felt that it was my job to stick up for my grandfather, the coal miner, the guy that lived catty corner to us who drove his truck, big van every day from mckees rocks to beaver falls. and he would leave in the morning and he would be clean and i would see him come home at night, and he had a lot of grease and dirty, and i figured out over time, he's probably a fix-it man. and i think about the folks that play by the rules, and they struggle. and so many of them are here

tonight. and so it's my job not to worry about the rich or the powerful. they can take care of themselves. it's my job to try to make sure that everybody gets a fair shake. now, i just came from sagamore hill. now, teddy, teddy was a guy i always admired. i always thought there was another person like teddy. you didn't know him very well, but i know him pretty well and i always admired him. his name is john mccain. john mccain -- john mccain shook it up. and i want all of you to know coming from mckees rocks, you become a reformer, and you step on a lot of toes. and you can get a lot of people upset who are in, quote, the establishment. i have never been part of that

group. and the reason i haven't been part of it is because i chart my own course. i happen to be a republican. but the republican party is my vehicle and not my master. the only person who tells me what to do -- the only person who tells me what to do is my wife. and i take her orders. i learned early on that surrendering early led to a much better life. okay. but my whole goal in public life has been to create a job creating environment. so people could work. and i'll tell you why. and just back to the faith thing for a second. i happen to believe that everybody is made special. there's never been anybody like anybody in this room. nobody ever has been like you before and there will never be anybody like you after.

i was in utah and there was a young lady, maybe 16 or 17 years old. i looked at her and said do you know you're made spelshz? there's never been anybody like you or nobody like you again. she started to cry. and i don't know if she realized how special she was or as my wife said, maybe i frightened her with that thing. you know, she was like, whoa, where is this coming? i just came to listen to this guy. what happened here? as a result of that, i happen to believe that we're all here for a special purpose. and many of us find our special purpose through our work. if we're a guidance counselor or a teacher, we give up money in order to give kids a special life. if we're a nurse and we spend extra time taking care of a family after our shift ends and we're dead tired, that's how we find our purpose. you know, if we're a doctor and we're making calls late at night when we really want to just go

to sleep, we're finding our purpose. if we're the custodian in the high school, i love the custodians. you know why? because everybody feels safe in talking to the custodian. everybody feels safe in telling the janitor what's going on. there are some of the most special people in the world. i think it's our purpose as human beings to live a life bigger than ourselves. it's really the great jewish tradition. you're not in this world just to take care of yourself. you're in this world to do something to lift people. and i believe it to the depth of my soul. so here i am out here, i hope you agree with that. it's my job to be in government and to create opportunity. i'll just tell you very quickly because i do want to get to some questions before they yank me off the stage. the first thing is, you have to

create economic growth. it was mentioned that i balanced the budget. i spent ten years of my life even fighting republican presidents and republican members of congress to get to a balanced budget. why did i do it? for one basic reason. when you have balanced budgets and commonsense regulations, you get economic growth. it happens every single time. so after ten years in the congress, i finally got us, along with senator demuneenchy to a balanced budget, paid down a half a trillion dollars on the national debt, cut tasks on risk taking and development, and we didn't hear about income inequality or job insecurity. the country was booming. you remember this fall that hillary will claim credit for the clinton economy. i will tell you when the republicans won the house and the senate and they actually meant business, no politics, no focus groups, no polls. go get the job done, we got to a

balanced budget because the republicans took the house and the senate for the first time in 40 years, and we changed america. that's what happens. and when i get ready to leave there, we had a projected $5 trillion surplus. that money could have been used to provide private accounts for our young people, in addition to social security so they would have really had something. and it all got spent. and guess what was in charge? republicans ran the house, the senate, and the white house. i'm going to let you in on a dirty little secret. the democrats love to spend money. so do the republicans. they just feel guilty when they do it. okay. somebody has to stand in the breach, because when you break down your fiscal responsibility, you hurt the economy. i went to ohio. i was out for ten years, and it was great.

but i felt i had to go back in. when i came in, we were $8 billion in the hole. 20% of our operating budget, we had lost 350,000 jobs. our credit, they were going to tear up our credit card on wall street. today, we have now grown private sector jobs by over 400,000. our credit is rock solid. we have cut taxes by $5 billion, more than any governor in the entire country. and we have a $2 billion surplus. how did we do it? commonsense regulations. lower taxes, fiscal responsibility. if you want to get healthy economically, that's what you do. and that's what i want to do again in washington with a plan that will work. furthermore, i spent 18 years on the armed services committee. i was there when republicans and democrats worked together and we

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on the ground. now let's hear about it from a reporter covering the candidate as he makes his final push through the badger state. we're joined by kasie hunt. and she's in milwaukee waiting for a sanders rally tonight. kasie, the sanders campaign has to both win votes and play the expectations game headed out of there and into new york. what do you get the sense their expectations are about how he'll do and how they'll leave wisconsin and move to new york? >> mark, i certainly feel like they think that they're going to come out of this with a win. if you listen to sanders earlier today in janesville, saying, oh, it's clear hillary clinton is nervous. we don't want to make her any more nervous. don't tell her if we win here, we could potentially take the white house. so clearly, they're expecting to have a good night. i think it's going to become a question of margin. and a little bit of trying to figure out do the clintons believe that they were trying to avoid a blowout when they sent her back here over the weekend, sent bill clinton in today, or

do they think they have a shot at winning. there's some polling that suggests it might be tighter in the final days, but the sanders campaign definitely feeling pretty strong. i think the biggest question, of course, is how that impacts what happens in new york. the clinton campaign seemingly a little bit nervous about that. and if you look at the optics going into new york, if he is able to come off a win here, get some momentum, and take that into what are sure to be at this point massive rallies, they're planning quite a few events right in new york city, some of which could be so large that they're giving the city iiself some potential headaches and concerns. you're going to see all of the cameras and national media pointed at that. in many cases for the first time. i have been to dozens of these sanders rallies. i think some people are going to be surprised by the scale of what could happen in new york. and of course, it's her adopted home straight. she has a lot of strength there, but that's a difficult thing to

endure for a potentially long period of time, two weeks, as you know, pretty much an eternity in politics. >> you and i have traveled with the sanders campaign at a time where it was relatively dark on the campaign, after march 15th when senator sanders lost 4 out of 5 states. what do you think the psychological impact would be if they were to lose wisconsin? what would they do to the psyche of the candidate and the campaign? >> well, you also remember, john, traveling with him after they lost nevada. which was a place where they really misset expectations. i think if anything, that was probably the most critical turning point for the sanders campaign to date. i think that a loss in wisconsin would probably have similar consequences, if not larger ones, only because there are definitely sanders advisers who privately say wisconsin is a must-win. if he can't show he can win wisconsin in a big way, how is he going to have a shot to win new york, connecticut, new

jersey, some of these bigger states, not just by a little bit, but by a lot. if they can't come out of here with that, it's going to be really tough. instead of coming out and actually being able to say, no, there's still a path, we have plenty of states to vote, they're going to come under a lot more pressure from the outside for him to drop out. and i think that the campaign itself would struggle through that. >> he largely gives the same stump speech, which you and the other beat reporters have to endure. is there any sense he's planning something new to shake things up, to come into new york with a different strategy, a different message, or more of the same? >> i think the onny question at this point is how sharp does he get against hillary clinton? we had a lot of grumbling and griping from clinton advisers about sanders' quote/unquote tone. i don't think he has gone nearly as negative as he could have, although it's obvious he sharpened it. earlier today, he had a new jab at hillary clinton. a little sharper in saying it's great she's running around co-opting my message on manufacturing jobs, essentially,

but she should have been doing that 20, 30 years ago. i think it's small things like that. otherwise, it's clear he's hit on something that really works for him. he likes to stay in that comfort zone. and it's not just the speech itself. it's the format for the speech, the whole thing. this isn't a guy who as the "new york times" noted, wants to silt in coffee shops and talk to voters. if he's at a coffee shop, it's because he wants to drink tea with limen specifically. he's very set in his habits and ways. i think any major deviation from the stump speech would be a major -- it would probably represent a major personality change. >> lastly, where is he going to spend election night tomorrow and why? >> he is going to be in laramie, wyoming, which let me tell you, gets a long time to try to get to because of the caucus there coming up next on april 9th. they, of course, have had the strategy all along that they want to demonstrate they're looking ahead to the next contest, that they're not looking back. and that they intend to push forward, essentially make their

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of hearing about your damn e-mails. there was applause and the times mentions this. sanders advisers were proud of their candidate because it was evidence he wasn't going to take the bait and conduct dirty politics or personal attack politics as usual. now there is a realization, and you're seeing this, an iteration on the campaign trail. bernie sanders is going after hillary clinton about her goldman sachs speeches asking for the transcript said, making fun of how shakespearean they must be to garner the amount she was paid. that's resonating. there's a sense that sanders missed an opportunity by not going more personal and sharper early on. and the times piece is kind of a woulda, coulda, shoulda story. i'm not entirely convinced the momentum is lost. this is working. there's an ongoing fbi investigation about the e-mails. i wonder if given the chance to talk about the e-mails once again whether sanders would shy away from it. >> let's go out to madison where

we're joined by someone who knows the badger state really well. it's the editor and chief of the progressive magazine, ruth conniff, who as i said is coming to us from madison today. we have been talking about bernie sanders, and the arc of his campaign. give us a sense to the extent that sanders right now seems to be the favorite in wisconsin, why that is. what is it that bernie sanders, what part of the sanders message is resonating with progressives and democrats in wisconsin more than the clinton message? >> well, as you mentioned, i'm the editor of the progressive magazine, which has more than a 100 year tradition here in wisconsin. we have a really progressive, strong progressive tradition. a lot of the things that bernie sanders talks about are the same things that our founder fighting bob lufallot, a senator from wisconsin and founder of the progressive party in the last century talked about, which is really money in politics, the corrupting influence of money and corporate influence in politics and a need for a revival of a true democracy so people can take control of their own government again.

when sanders delivered the message here, it really resonates with a long history of that kind of talk. there's a sense that the democratic party has become really beholden to corporate interests and to the big banks and that people don't have a chance to direct policy in a way that would serve their interested. i have seen sanders many times at huge rallies in wisconsin talking particularly to young voters, millennials, people carrying massive student debt, an issue chahas emerged as a huge driver of politics and voter interest in younger age groups. talking about how we used to do this. we used to have essentially free public universities, tuition was so low. if we could do it 50 years ago, why can't we do it now? those resonate with people's hopes and aspirations. the hillary clinton message that we need to do what's possible, we need to lower expectations in some sense, although she doesn't say that specifically, is sort of the opposite. it puts a damper on enthusiasm. that's why you see turnout for sanders. >> do you think hillary clinton has changed positions in the race because of political

pressure from the success of senator sanders, and if so, which ones? >> oh, sure. particularly on the issue of trade, you have seen this not just this year, but remember when she was running in the primary in 2008 against barack obama and also against jon edwards, as she moved to this part of the country, she started to talk about the ill effects of nafta. she's had a mixed record on the issue. at the same time in '08 she was talking about the need not to sign cafta, which is the successor to nafta in central america, it turns out that she ended up lobbying for cafta. she switched positions on the trade issue in particular, which resonates in rust belt states. part of wisconsin is the rust belt. this is where you see trump driving a lot of enthusiasm in the area. people feel like the middle class has been hollowed out, middle class jobs have been lost, and we had a choice about that in this country. >> ruth, alex wagner here. talk to us about what you think is going to happen on tuesday.

we know it's an open primary, sanders has a strong ground game in wisconsin. the college university scene is fired up. what do you think is going o come to pass? >> well, i think the fact that it's an open primary is not going to be so significant this year. in some years you see republicans voting in democratic primaries and democrats voting in republican primaries just to make trouble. i think both parties are so focused on the fight in their own camp, there's not going to be a lot of that. i think if there's a high turnout, sanders will win. i think that trump is really given a run for his money by cruz. cruz and sanders will emerge the winners. i think the only issue really in wisconsin is with our new voter-i.d. law, whether turnout can overcome the barriers to voting, including for university students who can't use their university i.d.s. they have to get a separate, special form of i.d. to vote. >> thank you for joining us. alex wagner, incredible pleasure. always a pleasure.

>> thank you for the snacks and the good times. >> will you come back and basically take over hosting. >> i'm basically like a phish roadie selling grilled cheese out of the car. >> what kind of cheese? >> american. melts better. >> come bartend with me at andy's place. >> i'm done, in. >> when is that? >> you'll find out. you'll get a memo. >> alex wagner, mark halperin, up next, who won the day? right after these words from our sponsors. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you

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john, who won the day? >> i would say that john kasich won the day. roger stone salt here and said john kasich was likely to be the ultimate nominee than ted cruz. with trump talking about kasich, everybody is taking him seriously. >> check out bloombe

bloombergpolitics.com for the great story about hillary clinton's frustrations with bernie sanders and his enduring campaign. for us, we say sayonara. >> coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." the primary that makes milwaukee famous. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in milwaukee, wisconsin, on the eve of tomorrow's big republican and democratic tests. can donald trump prevail over questions about his fitness for the country's highest office? can hillary clinton inspire democrats with the prospect of a second clinton presidency. can bernie increase his victories to six of the last seven contests, thereby shaking hillary loose from her image as the inevitable nominee? let's start with donald