effect. >> we'll see what happens. that's going to do it for this hour. thanks for the time. i'm steve kornacki, "hardball" with chris matthews, and then special coverage of the wisconsin primary with brian williams, rachel maddow, chris matthews, i'll be there as well. straight ahead. will wisconsin make history. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, out in milwaukee. we learn whether donald trump has withstood his week of trouble or that his trouble has only begun. tonight, we learn whether the democratic race is trending toward bernie sanders or hillary clinton is holding strong. wisconsin will matter. this state has been a political

weather vein. in 1960, john f. kennedy battled out with hubert humphrey. >> we have a chance in this primary if we insist upon this primary contest being a sober and serious discussion of the issues and not a beauty contest or a personality parade. the wisconsin presidential primary is not a hollywood talent contest. >> well, kennedy won in wisconsin, only to have walter cronkite, voting for the catholic candidate. polls showing anti-vietnam war, eugene mccarthy beating him in wisconsin, forced lyndon johnson to quit the race, creating a future primary contest between mccarthy and senator robert kennedy. on the night of the wisconsin primary, mccarthy knocked kennedy for his late entry into

the presidential race, though, rfq had joined the fight two weeks earlier. >> even though there may be a few late entries in the race, or one that i don't think it would make any difference, we know what the contest is, we know what our strength is, no defections in wisconsin, and i think we can go on to certain victory. >> eight years later, 1976, congressman claimed victory in wisconsin primary, only to have upstart jimmy carter overtake him in the final count. so close that the milwaukee sentinel newspaper said udall had won, giving carter this photo op. >> campaign anything wisconsin, inciting there will be a surprise tonight. >> we feel great. i mean, the turnout has been fantastic. we'll have a great day.

>> i believe tomorrow we're going to have a very big victory. i think we're going to have a great day. >> well, let's go right now to nbc's chris jansing, at a polling place in the village of jackson, wisconsin tonight. chris, thanks for joining us. i've got an interesting question for you. if donald trump is going to win tonight, why isn't he going to be in wisconsin? why he is back in new york? >> reporter: well, maybe he is hearing what we're hearing here, this is what they call the wow counties, three of them that are critical to republicans. in fact, they have some of the highest turnout right here, you can see all the people. if you go down this line, chris, they're going to go about a 52% turnout absolutely fantastic. he said that's one of the reasons he thinks he'll potentially win here. the problem is that this is heavily scott walker, and that h

this is a place he made his come back. the reasons that donald trump came here and sounded as though he was so positive about his prospects here, it doesn't look good for him, when you have the kind of turnout in these heavily republican areas, that have been the the past of favorite scott walker. >> a new report out in politico. it says donald trump's campaign is increasingly falling into disarray. since march, the campaign has been laying off field staff around the country. dismantled much of what existed in the organizations in general election battle grounds, including florida and ohio. they left the campaign last month in protest of the way its management was treating its staff. a source familiar with the departure told politico. chris, you had a back and forth. let's watch that. >> no respects women more than i

do. not even close. nobody respects women more than i do. >> why aren't they getting that message. >> because i get an unfair press. we just had a big meeting. many women at the meeting. air best with the borders, best with security. i said i'm going to be best for women's health issues. much better than hillary. much better than anybody else. >> are you hearing anything from republican women who are going to be voting today or did vote today about their attitude towards trump? does it differ from the way men look at him? >> reporter: look, i've been talking to them all week, ever since you had your town hall, chris. he made his comments on abortion. many of them, not only up set by what he said, but the fact that in their mind, ts goes for men and women, thought it indicated that this is something he had not thought through. that's not something you do when you are running for president in a republican primary. i think in addition to that, a number of people unprompted brought up corey lewandowski and the charges against him, the

fact that donald trump has not said anything negative about him. in fact, has backed him up. i asked him about both of those things today, and he simply denied it. he denied that women sdodon't l him, in spite of the polls showing 77% have an unfavorable view of him. the cover of the new york magazine, katy tur reporting has done, when you have the bad week he has had, which he denies, when you have the polls that show for the first time the establishment may beat donald trump in a state as important as wisconsin, that there would be something back and forth in the campaign, especially with the people who have been with him for years and the new ones coming in the last couple of months. >> thank you very much, chris. anybody that wants to see and actually hear what donald trump said last week in our town hall in green bay, all about what he

thought about abortion, how it should be punished, go to hardball hardball.msnbc.com. steady republican voters, 45%. that's a pretty good number. 45%. cruz, 17 points back, 28%. and despite a number of controversies, trump down just three points since last week. so where does it stand now? two conservatives with different views. radio host and author, charles sykes, in the never trump camp, and ann coulter. how do you see trump coming out of wisconsin, do you think he'll be strong in the northeast? >> i don't think it will have much affect on voters in new york. i mean, i love wisconsin. it's the home of joe mccarthy. no one says, you know, as goes wisconsin, so goes new york.

and we have the way the primary calendar is set up, we're now heading into a whole slew of states that are very good for donald trump, and not good for a preacher type, like donald cruz or like ted cruz. i also think this woman thing is a little overblown. i mean, it's so much coming from the media. as if trump has made these horrible comments about women. he made -- he sent out a retweet about one specific woman. his opponent's wife after his own wife was tacked by that opponent. so i think it gets repeated so much, and women can be very suggestive and following of trends. >> what did you mean by joe mccarthy? i can never tell when you're trying to provoke. do you have a kind view of joe mccarthy or just causing trouble here. >> i have a half book about it in my book "tree son." no, i love joe mick core thecca

>> i love gene mccarthy. my father was gene mccarthy's wisconsin campaign director in 1968. so i was there. >> the apple fell far from the tree. >> i know. we all grow with the times. >> actually, hillary clinton and i were both for goldwater as kids, mccarthy and we are who we are. you went some route like that go i'm a recovering liberal. >> you've been the toughest critic of donald trump. tell me about the way your listeners, you talked to them for three and a half hours a day. what are they saying? >> i think wisconsin is very different. wisconsin has a different culture here. civility and decency. we have a better bs meter, quite honestly. donald trump has gotten away with sloganing. i think wisconsin will change the trajectory of this. i think your conversation about abortion will change it. not so much because he is a

liberal or conservative, but what he found out is this a man who is literally thoughtless. he has not spent 30 seconds thinking about these major issues, nuclear weapons, abortions, any of these issues. i think he'll be exposed. i think wisconsin will expose the fact that he is vulnerable. that when in fact, you begin to talk about his record, talk about what a demagogue is, what a fraud -- >> give me an example of why you think he is a demagogue. >> when he says that he is going to do things that he is not going to do. when he says he'll build the wall and the mexicans will pay for it. >> you don't think -- >> no. >> he said today, by the way, he is going to pay for it by threatening the government of mexico with cutting off remittances, apparently $15 billion goes down to mexico every year from people living here illegally or not. >> i think he has made it clear that every -- >> you don't think that would work? >> of course. i don't think he thinks it will work. basically everything he says is

an opening gamut. i have to say this, this is what i think conservatives want to hear. but does he actually have a plan to implement it, no. >> you say, charlie, as if you are -- >> no. >> 45% of the republican nationwide prefers him to the other candidates. >> let's see what happens in wisconsin. here in wisconsin, we've actually started to expose it. we've challenged him. we pay more attention. i think that's what he is running up against. our voters are battle tested. our voters have seen conservatives, seen leadership, know the difference between an actual leadership and a clown car. >> we've used that phrase too. ann, you are an expert in this field, why do you think the radio guys like charlie, who is successful, rush limbaugh, they're all antitriple. i think laura ingram too. why is that? >> i can't speak to them specifically, but what i do notice is just the absence of

substance. i keep hearing that, you know, the anti-trump people. well, it's because we think more deeply, and we don't fall for this demagoguery. i'm glad you asked for examples. if you want someone who is lying and demagoguing, ted cruz goes around saying ted cruz is pro-choice. that's from a quote he gave in 1999, that he took back the next year. he is clearly pro-life now. ted cruz goes around saying that donald trump is for socialized medicine, and he thinks he wants bernie sanders socialized medicine. no, he just said he won't let people die on the street. if that's the new republican position, it's a shocker to me. as for your question on abortion, i mean, i know that's a big thing for you. i've been pro-life since high school, talking and writing about it. i've never thought about it. it's not the job of the president. it's the job -- if donald trump were running for state legislature in the year 2060,

af after roe v. wade is overturned, to be upset about that i would be more upset that women will get a lot more abortions if we don't close our mexican borders. i think ann is a little in denial. it is not just one tweet. when you have -- here in wisconsin, 77% of the women disapprove of donald trump. nationally, it is 70%. at some point, ann, you need to have an intervention and point out that you have to address this. cannot be elected president when you do these things. what donald trump has done is he has tried to replace juvenile insults for actual substance on issues. >> take a minute and respond to that ann. >> well, i think it's more important. you can judge someone on, you know, whether you consider them ghosh or their supporters

walmart shoppers, but there are more important things and donald trump is the only one who will build a wall. the only one who will stop the trans pacific partnership. unless you're going for fashion and style, and oh, no, he is too ghosh and his voters are too ghosh, maybe a lot of women fall for that kind of thing, but if you care for women and care about the women of this country, trump is definitely your guy. >> you are amazing, ann. thank you for coming on. charlie, thanks. nice to meet you. a powerful man out here. a new interview with bernie sanders is raising questions about his grasp of the issues, his signature issue of saying he'll break up the banks. he has no idea exactly how do that. democrats criticizing sanders on what he had to say about guns. bob woodward coming here as

well, donald trump's revealing interview where he predicted the country is headed for a massive recession. trump now has a plan by the way, as i said, about how to get mexico to pay for that wall. you heard that theory. this is "hardball," the live coverage. more from milwaukee, after this. show me movies with explosions.

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pressed him on many things, including his plan on how to break up the big banks. he struggled to give an answer. how would you break up jp morgan chase. >> how you go about doing it, the secretary of the treasury. these banks are a danger to the economy of the problem of too big to fail. any way, when the daily news pressed the senator on whether he has the authority of president to break up the banks, sanders said well, i don't know if the fed has it, the federal reserve, but the administration can have it. the daily news continued. if you look at jp morgan, what would it be? what would that institution be? would there be a consumer bank? sanders responds, i'm not running jp morgan or citibank.

kristin welker covering the clinton campaign and barbara lawton, the former congresswoman of wisconsin backing bernie. kristin, this race, i don't know, everybody thinks bernie has a bit of a lead. >> well, the clinton campaign certainly thinks so. they're bracing for a loss, chris. it could be a significant loss. they think it could be double digits. of course, they're trying to lower expectations. if they lose by five or six points, they can say that's not so bad. look, the editorial you just cited a political gift on day a when they're brace fog are a loss, they've been tweeting out sections of it. i've been talking to clinton campaign officials. you can expect them to use that as they campaign here in new york. a critical state for secretary clinton. her adopted home state and more

than 200 delegates. they're particularly i am told going to hit the issue of guns hard, of course, he said that he doesn't support victims being able to sue gunman f manufactur. they're planning to really use that editorial and run with it, as secretary clinton vigorously campaigns here in new york. i would just point out, she is not in wisconsin now. she had an event in brooklyn earlier today and a fundraising event. that tells you all you need to know about what their chances are in wisconsin. >> kasie, will senator sanders get through the night, probably win here, go to new york, and a bra bra brainiac session. he doesn't have an answer now to break up the banks. >> a really difficult interview for him, chris. i think one way to think about it is were secretary clinton to

give an interview, how her answers might be picked over. this interview walked through policy issues that he is both comfortable with and that he is less comfortable with. foreign policy as well. he was pressed on what kind of position he would take on israeli settlements in west bank. what he would find acceptable. he was not able to say, you know, what exactly he would do in that regard. so i think part of this is that he of course has crafted an image as somebody who is very strong on policy. he is the cool wonk if you will, somebody who gets down into the weeds, sticks to the issues, doesn't get into the nastiness of politics. this contradicted it a little bit. i asked jane about this in an interview today. she defended him. saying you know what, he did fine. he knows what he needs to know on foreign policy. as kristin said, a gift to the clinton campaign on an otherwise

difficult day for them looking into wisconsin, chris. >> yeah let me go back. first of all, kasie, while you have you, where will sanders be tonight? will he receive the victory somewhere? >> well, we're here in wyoming, the winds are like 65 miles an hour. they've got i-80 shut down because the trucks are rolling around. he is here, because the caucus is coming up saturday. he has taken this tactic over and over again of pushing to the next state. so he is not going to be in wisconsin to celebrate victory there, but he will be giving what we expect to be a victory speech. the question of course, the margin of victory. they of course still feel like they need to prove that he does have a path to the nomination. i think that's one of their greatest frustrations. i talked to jane sanders about that as well today. she of course is a close political advisor so her husband, in addition to being spouse, surrogate and all these other things. she said that's really what they have to convince people of,

especially older americans. you know what, he does are a path to this nomination. of course there was reporting in "the new york times" how they might have done things differently in 2015 if they had in fact thought sanders had a plausible path to win and not a cause candidate. she said you know what, bernie sanders has always been convinced that he can win. if anything, she suggested she wasn't sure he had a path and he was the one that came back and said no, i can win it. he is really in it to win and they still see a path open. wisconsin, of course, helping with that potentially. but new york, the big prize. >> thank you, kasie. i've going to go to governor. why are you for bernie? >> because i believe that he is somebody that can lead us in this moment that feels very urgent to us in wisconsin, and i think with people across the nation. we've watched the middle class be hallowed out. our democratic system is

crumbling. and we need somebody who has the courage to lead that. >> yeah. >> and he is somebody who feels, he is unfetterred by special donors. he has drawn us into this process. i feel like with bernie sanders, he is not asking us to campaign for him. he has a vision for who we should -- >> let's talk about -- >> and he is -- >> you're not some 20 year old college kid. >> close, though. >> you know politics. he is talking about free tuition at the university of wisconsin. where ever the campus is. free for everybody. free at university of michigan. free berkeley, free penn state. i keep asking myself, where is all that enormous amount of money coming from? do you think he has a way of getting that money? >> of course, he does. >> how? >> well, start with there is the vision that our public education system, which grew from one to four to one to six, now it's the

price of admission to this 21st century economy is post high school education. so we as a nation have to address that question, and unless you put out a bold vision, you're going to start -- >> you say we, but who is going to pay for it? who. >> he has put out a -- the people of the united states. he has put out a plan -- >> tell me now. the people that are watching now, the parents helped their kids with college, they can't help them all the way, young people coming out of college owe a lot of money. tell them where the money is coming from. >> when everyone is paying their fair share of taxes, and when we set the priorities of a nation -- >> so you don't know where it's coming from? >> i don't have to right at this moment. >> where is it coming from? >> it will come from the government budget where we have money -- >> what is the deficit now? the same government that has this huge deficit? where is it going to come from? it's a reason question. >> bernie sanders has talked about taking it from the

financial industry. >> oh, i get it so if you invest in the stock market, 401(k) or your mutual fund, you'll pay taxes. that's what's going to happen. >> social security, you don't have young earners coming into the market, you're in trouble. >> there is no such thing as a free lunch. we ought to know who it is, okay? >> yes, but it is a matter of setting priorities and a budget. that's what has drawn people to bernie sanders. >> thank you for coming on. i love your ideals. any way, kasie hunt, lieutenant barbara lautner. has trump passed the commander in chief test. should he not be elected. i'm going to talk to bob woodward and robert costa about their sit-down with trump. this is "hardball," the place for politics. live from milwaukee.

welcome back to "hardball," live from milwaukee from the wisconsin primary tonight. donald trump made dire predictions, robert costa and bob woodward, an hour and a half long conversation, trump warned the country is facing a massive recession on the stock market. he said we're sitting on a big bubble right now and it is a terrible time to invest. a follow-up to that interview today, trump sent the post the policy memo, outlining how he would force mexico to pay for the wall he has proposed for the southern border. he said unless mexico makes a one time payment of 5 to $10 billion, he would prevent people from mexico from sending money home, cutting off billions of dollars each year. here is how president obama

react today that proposal earlier today. >> i am getting questions constantly from foreign leaders about some of the whacky suggestions being made. the notion that we're going to track every western union, you know, bit of money being sent to mexico, you know, good luck with that. then we've got the issue of the implications for the mexican economy. which in turn, if it's collapsing, actually sends more immigrants north, because they can't find jobs back in mexico. >> i'm joined by robert costa and bob woodward, also an nsnbc analyst. bob, what did you make of trump overall? do you dare to give an assessment of his preparation for the presidency? >> well, there are lots of things that are incomplete answers. i think overall, he was in the

mood of i'm going to give you the best answer i can. the problem with his -- the business about the economy, he said as you pointed out, he is telling everyone, it's a terrible time to invest in the stock market. presidential candidates learn is don't become a stock picker. don't become somebody for merrill lynch do this or do that. i find it interesting, the stock market has gone down a lot, or little, but certainly, not a lot, and so maybe people aren't listening to his stock advice. >> yeah, you know, robert costa, it seemed to me, he caged the whole thing. he said, but if you elect me, it won't happen, this fall in the market, the economy.

if you elect a president, they don't have an economic impact for at least six months. so he is basically saying we're not going to face this horrendous downfall until sometime late next year. it didn't make logical sense, except that's how you would have to put it together. >> trump's argument to us was, quote, the aura of personality will enable him to get things done, whether it's changing the patriot act, using executive authority, stop remittances from mexico to pay for the wall. he thinks his personality on foreign affairs, domestic policy will be the thing that drives his presidency should he be elected. >> i think you can -- >> bob, i want to ask you about the cultural thing here. you have learned there is a certain language, a certain tain culture of debating issues, like abortion rights, but also the nuclear thing. you know you don't talk about when to use a nuclear weapon. you just don't discuss it in

terms of engagement for something like that. i remember, when spiro agnew, that's all been used and excused as just bad politics years ago. do you get a sense trump doesn't know the culture. that's why he keeps stepping in it? >> he doesn't know a lot of the history of this. your question about abortion, you know, you tripped him up on that, and he said oh, yeah, we should punish women who get abortion, and no one supports that. and he should have known that that is the case. he also should have known that getting roe v. wade overturned is really going to be hard and unlikely. so your question was hypothetical. but i think bob costa and i

found that the summary of the session with trump was when he said i'm the lone ranger. i'm going to do it my way. i'm in charge. we tried to discuss with him and he had some answers, some very incomplete answers on this question, how do you build the coalition. and, you know, chris you know from being in politics, covering it for so long, all successful politics is building a coalition, and he doesn't have a strategy for that as best we could tell. >> robert, i think -- your assessment of what he showed in that meeting with you and bob, as opposed to how he behaves and talks on the road. >> one thing we're seeing from trump is a grappling, trying to pivot to be perhaps the nominee, should he get enough delegates,

but also drugling while still being mired. to hear him talk about the supreme court and to do something unprecedented, saying he'll release a name of 10 to 12 judges as president. it means he is thinking ahead of the were he is density, but doing it in such an unusual way, to almost put judges on the ballot, should it be the nominee. i spoke to dr. ben carson, and he said trump has been talking behind the scenes about this comment about judges. it just shows trump is trying to think things through as a first time candidate, someone who hasn't been on the national stage at least politically in this way. >> i think a lot of people are saying that about him now. bob woodward, always an honor. robert costa. again, if you want to watch the interview of my interviewing trump, it's now at the top of hardba hardball.msnbc.com. up next, bernie sanders and

ted cruz need to win. it's a must win you might say for both of those challengers. can they do it? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics, live from wisconsin, for today's primary.

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this new voter i.d. law is another way to suppress more people from voting. >> i think it's becoming unnecessarily complicated. especially, i mean, students have been leaving the line all day, because it's getting too long with new registration requirements. and classes, work, and people aren't voting because they have to leave. >> definitely, i think they should show their i.d. that's not much to ask.

>> why is it hard? i mean, it's like getting a driver's license, isn't it? >> welcome back to "hardball," wisconsin, voters waiting in line today to cast their primary votes in green bay, wisconsin, with varying opinions on the i.d. law. the editorial page, quote, voter i.d. laws are a destructive solution to a nonexistent problem. acceptable forms of irchlts .d.w to secure them. roughly 300,000 state residents estimated not to have state i.d.s. $500,000 to pay for the effort, legislature provided no funding. guess what they're up to? chris hayes is at marquette university, a big line, not for

voting, but simply to register today. here you go. chris, take over. >> that's right, chris. had is the line behind me. come with me. this line stretches about two hours, two and a half hours. keep in mind, these are college students registering on the same day. if you've ever met a college student doing things at the last minute is a way of life. hey. i was doing that once too. this is also true, i should note, professional writers. basically what you've got is because of the new i.d. law, it has become a multi step process. they need a special student i.d., because the normal i.d. doesn't count. they need to enroll, print it out, take those two things to another desk over there. then register, and then they can vote. so this is all come back, these folks are a hardy bunch. they've been waiting for two and a half hours. they'll be here for a while. they brought in some extra tables to process everyone.

this keeps going all the way back here. you can see. so the whole thing is definitely causing some bottle necks here at marquette university. this is the fear of the legislation, if you create this, you'll increase wait times and margins, and make it harder for folks to vote. >> great reporting, chris hayes. you'll be on tonight. thank you for joining us now. the round table, rick tower, former communications director for the cruz campaign. joy reed, msnbc national correspondent and jay nichols. national affairs for the nation. joy, this thing here, this is chaos. look at this. south african alliance of '94 when blacks could first vote. >> it's bib lilical. >> it has been litigated up

until last year. one of the cases went to the 7th circuit says there is no reason for this law than to stop people who would vote for the opposing party getting to the polls. >> is this walker's revenge. >> the state couldn't show a single instance of voter -- >> okay. let me go to john, look, look, there are places you've got to police voting. there is some hanky-panky. we've had landslide lyndon elected. but historically, wisconsin, minnesota, they've been clean in their voting. why this bill? >> look, the fact of the matter is, we know exactly why this bill exists. in off year elections, republicans can win. they can win the governor ship, and even the ledge lgislature. >> they don't show? >> they've lost in presidential

elections since 1988. when walker and his people came in, they were loaded for this one. this was something they fought for and kept bringing it up. they would get pushed back, bring it up again. i want to just tell you, chris -- >> is this one of those alex things? >> yes, it does. it's more than that. the fact of the matter is, this is an assault on wisconsin's core way of doing elections. the historic premise in this state was they want the highest turnout in the country. they want to beat every other state. what this law does, and also the limiting of early voting in wisconsin, has made it so much harder. today, chris, today, for the first time in my life, i voted in a lot of presidential elections, i had to show an i.d. in order to vote. i never -- >> normally they just knew you. >> voter i.d., you could also show proof of residency. for students, 180,000 students, the i.d. they go to school with

is not good enough. >> you have to prove you're showing up for class. >> rick tower, is this to keep it clean or to keep down the democratic vote? >> i don't know. you have two standards about texas should have a law and wisconsin shouldn't. >> wisconsin, to put it positively, is a clean state. >> to put it into context, the group that you just showed on television there, those are all university of wisconsin students, and the law drk d-- >> marquette. >> marquette. none of them are from wisconsin. >> but they live here. >> no, no. up and down the line earlier. where are you from, iowa, they're all from out of state. you told me, john, ten days in wisconsin. >> historically, yes. >> they didn't plan. that's why they're in the mine. >> let me offer you this. >> why do we have this about photo i.d.? >> it's a contract between you and your fellow citizens. so i live in this community, this is who i am, this is who i

say i am. you have to show an. -- i.d. when you get a checking account. their family can take them, their church. >> not if they can't get their birth certificate. you have people older, that they can't even get their birth certificate. they can't afford it. >> solve that problem. >> i was at a polling place, i saw a woman in a senior center, she has lived there for years, knew everybody at the table and they said you don't have an i.d., you have you can't vote now. >> so we're going to change the law for that one person? >> yes, we will. that is -- >> everybody in the community people that are here illegally. >> in my state -- >> my mom and dad took me to vote -- >> stay with me at the round table. these three will tell me something i don't know. we'll be right back.

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we're back. rick tyler, tell me something i don't know. >> if ted cruz does well tonight, he will be the nominee at the convention.

>> joy. >> watch this statement. wisconsin is home to a court case that is challenging gop jerry mangerrymande gerrymandering. democrat -- the republicans got 60. they are calling it the potential brown v board. >> i take my mom's a party to that. senator ron johnson from wisconsin said one of the toughest reelects in the country. in the last week he's given several interviews where he doesn't think donald trump would hurt him. he thinks he might help him. >> we'll be right back. they found out who's been hacking into our network.

who? guess. i don't know, some kids in a basement? you watch too many movies. who? a small business in china. a business? they work nine to five. they take lunch hours. like a job? like a job. we tracked them. how did we do that? we have some new guys defending our network. new guys? well, they're not that new. they've been defending things for a long time. [ digital typewriting ] it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems.

let me finish tonight with question before the american people and tonight the people of wisconsin. who do you want to be our president? who do you want with access to the football that hand carry cash of coats capable of blowing up the world? who do you want working to keep the united states out of war, keep this country as safe as reasonably possible in the early 21st century. he or she make the right kind of moves to minimize terrorist threat. who do you want setting national economic policy maintaining a

budget that pushes the country toward growth. it assembles the right spending and infrastructure, education that generates a future brighter than the one we have today. we have handful of concerns that need to be addressed. how do we regulate immigration into this country. how do we get control of an area of legitimate government that most americans believe has failed to an out landish extent. how do we recover the prospect of americans finding job in technical and manufacturing fields where men and women can do a days work and end up with a solid middle class income. how do we avoid wars that make things worse and have americans killing islamic people in countries like afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria and who knows where else. how do we protect our environment from the real dangers of climate change.

and lest we not forget, how do we ensure domestic tranquility by building confidence, real confidence that our police and judicial system serves all of society in fairness to all of society. this is a tall order. having the job is a tall order. being a good and successful president is hard to imagine what to do. how to choose what to do. here in wisconsin, tonight, we'll show how the voters are going about vetting the men and women asking for the job. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. our prime time coverage of the wisconsin primary begins right now. donald trump will not be the nominee. >> i like everybody i defeat. >> i'm still here. >> i am telling you we can do this.