and clergy members, with a lot of just community leaders across the state. and that's going back to what i was saying before. you know, her coming back here to campaign is something i think everyone expected her to do and the kind of support she's getting on the trail shows that she's maintained these really close contacted. >> all right, thanks, appreciate that. that does it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki and "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts now. >> if it's friday, everybody's working for the weekend. everybody wants a little romance, at least with delegates. and everybody's going off the deep end. because everybody needs a second or a third or a fourth chance. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now.

because it's friday, i didn't sing those lyrics. i could have sang them, and then you really would have been potentially rolling yourize right now. good evening and welcome to "mtp dail daily". my thanks to your favorite '80s band, lover boy, for that inspiring open. we've almost reached the weekend, and this weekend marks the final 100 days before the republican convention. the remaining candidates are pushing towards new york's primary and how that vote shakes out there could decide how the eventual convention will play out. ted cruz didn't receive the warmest of welcomes in the big apple yesterday. you could say he got a bronx cheer. his lasting line about new york values back in january hasn't been forgotten by donald trump or, frankly, the local tabloids. undeterred, cruz is trying to capture each and every delegate he can find, even while polling in third place right now in the great state of new york. monmouth university's poll has him trailing kasich by seven points and losing to native new yorker donald trump by a whopping 35. but even with those numbers, the cruz campaign is taunting trump with big expectations, saying, hey, that if trump doesn't reach 50% of the vote, that he should

drop out. if trump does, indeed, win 50% of the vote and the voirt of the districts, all 95 delegates are his alone. it's a possible scenario and not totally out of the question. and while cruz is trying to peel some of that away, he is facing some head-scratching opposition from john kasich right now. kasich is going hard after cruz. no mention of trump. >> in iowa, ted cruz sneered at our new york values. >> i think most people know exactly what new york values are. i've got to say, they're not iowa values and they're not new hampshire values. everyone knows what new york values are. >> ted cruz divides to get a vote. john kasich unites to get things done. >> targeting cruz in new york may be a good idea for kasich, but it also may end up benefiting trump more than nibb anybody else. john kasich would need to win an

impossible 133% of delegations to win the nomination outright. he wants to try to become to trump in new york what cruz was to trump in wisconsin but an effort that beats down cruz could beat down a chance for an open vngs if it's a total collapse. the fight oaf delegates is changing as we speak. cruz is battling for what's been a recent rise of raucous voices on the right in the empire state. in 2010, a combative and controversial businessman named carl paladino destroyed the establishment candidate in that race, 62-38 in new york's gubernatorial primary that year. palladino went on to lose the general big, but he's returning to the spotlight. he's trump's new york state campaign chair. the primary race is on, and what he did in 14 could be a precursor of what trump could do in 16. of course, the only part of the

story, weekend delegate selection is starting to matter more than tuesday primaries. and when it comes to the behind-the-scenes delegate grab, cruz is putting on a clinic. with a race this close, every delegate will count. the cruz campaign believes 18 will support him at the national convention and now the scramble has come to colorado. where the trump campaign is lagging badly. trump is 15 for 15 in congressional district conventions. his supporters have won all of the slots available so far out of the 37. meanwhile, trump's campaign has a steep climb. they have captured zero delegates so far in colorado. they're down a campaign chair. a staffing shift, ushered in a new state director, who is now having to play catch-up. they've had two state directors in a week on the trump side, folks. cruz himself has decided to visit the republican assembly in colorado tomorrow. it's a big conservative group in colorado. the presidential candidate hasn't made an appearance there in 40 years. just more proof that this race

is truly down to the wire and all about these tiny weekend gatherings of conventioneeres. the trump campaign is not hope in colorado, they've been outmaneuvered. but they say that cruz's wrangling is all an exercise to deny him the delegates. despite reported turmoil shaking up the trump campaign staffing, the front-runner's newest senior adviser, paul manafort, says they've got a plan. >> if the game is a second, third, or fourth ballot, then what he's doing is clever. but if there's only one ballot, what he's doing is meaningless. these stolen delegates still have to vote for trump on the first ballot. >> do you think trump gets to 1,237? >> absolutely. >> before the convention? >> absolutely. >> why the confidence? >> because i know the votes. >> most important thing he didn't say, but sort of said, acknowledging trump's got to do it on the first ballot. by the way, you can catch more of trump's newest high-profile

team member on sunday, paul manafort will join me exclusively sunday on "meet the press" to discuss his plan for the battle ahead be the trump campaign. but let's now go to colorado, where the jockeying is speaking as we speak. our designated delegate hunter, jacob soboroff, is live in colorado springs. and we got some breaking news. yet more delegates are now known. what the o you know, jacob? >> all right. chuck, come with me, right up to the door here, where three more delegates were just awarded -- if i could just quickly peek at the front page here. three more delegates were just awarded for ted cruz. perry buck, guy short, and kendall unru. that brings ted cruz's total to today, chuck, to nine for nine. he's got a total of 18 so far. he has swept. and this is kendall unru right now. she will be going to cleveland. first of all, how do you feel? going to disneyland, as they say? >> this is a lot of business that we're going to have to take care of. actually, this is sending warriors into a battle.

>> and in all seriousness, you have a huge responsibility. because these unbound delegates, while you have declared for ted cruz, these delegates coming out of here could tip the scales. you're not bound to any popular vote. you may be able to tip this either to ted cruz, to stop donald trump, either/or. do you feel a sense of responsibility here with this role? >> of course we have a sense of responsibility, because as pledged to ted cruz, we will be taking marching orders from ted cruz from our candidates. nobody will predict what's going to happen. nobody knows. but all we know we're pledged to him, whatever his plan of action is, whatever his strategy is, we'll follow through on that. >> chuck, thank you very much. i'll send you one thing before i send it back to you. right through this door right here is where congressional district three is meet right now. three more delegates to come out of here today and they'll be coming out of this room in not too long. back to you, chuck, with a happy birthday, sir. >> thank you, jacob, appreciate it. let's go to jacob to jacob here. jacob soboroff in colorado. now to jacob rascon who is

following the trump campaign for us and the staff shake up. mr. rascon, what can you tell us and how are they reacting to what looks like a thumping in colorado? >> so, this week, undoubtedly, we've seen a major shift in the campaign, what they hope is an upgrade. we're talking about paul manafort, of course. and today he's talking about the shift and the strategy to go after these delegates and he's conce conceding, it sounded like, in that interview this morning, that they were playing catch-up. ad as you heard, they were saying it's all meaningless because they have a plan to get to 1,237. when i talked to that campaign, they say, look, the unconventional, very small, very tight-knit campaign worked, because they won and won big. now it's time to make a shift, mr. trump himself in the release said, look, this new person, paul manafort is very experienced. he'll be working closely with cory lewandowski. there's been a lot of questions about that. reports about who's really in charge. here's what he said. >> i've known donald since the

1980s and we talked about it and we felt i could help him, as i felt, and he made the changes. >> are you the boss' boss now? >> i work directly for the boss. >> that's it? you only have one guy you listen to and it's trump? >> i listen to everybody, but i have one man whose voice sounds -- is louder than everybody else. >> reporter: so undoubtedly he has a lot of influence. i would also look this week at just overall, the big picture here. you're going to be hearing more policy speeches, you're going to be having this new person with a lot of influence who over the next couple of weeks will be hiring what he calls seasoned operatives. so undoubtedly a major shift yet to be seen. if it's really an upgrade. chuck? >> we will find out. jacob rascon in front of trump tower, thank you very much. joining me now is tom ridge, former governor of pennsylvania. and by the way, a john kasich supporter. of course, the first-ever secretary of homeland security. secretary ridge, good to see you, sir. >> pleasure to join you. >> all right, we are in uncharted territory.

probably for you, you probably remember '76 a little bit. and pennsylvania was in the news then. reagan hoping swiker would give him access to these unbound delegates. how do you feel as if the party is handling this right now. >> fufirst of all, i think, kud, initially, when we had a tremendous group of talented people. and cultural and ethnicity and occupation. that was a good starting point. we're now down to the final three and a lot of people are missing the point that donald trump or senator cruz will win on the first ballot. and i don't think it means it translates the vtory in november. >> let's talk about the

candidate you're supporting. i'm not saying you were having to defend strategy here. i know you're a supporter of kasich. do you think it's right to be going after cruz and totally ignoring trump. it feels as if -- how do you think the viewer responds to that. isn't he running against trump, too? >> he may be, but i think you have to understand, i'm not involved in the super pac, but tactically, let's think about this. it is donald trump's home base. it's home field advantage. >> playing for seconds. >> that's right. you come in with a strong second-place finish, pick up some delegates there and move on to the other 10 or 12 states. i think it's consistent with a notion that the campaign strategy is based upon either candidate, front-runners today get the majority, first or second ballot, then it becomes an open convention, a lot of delegates changes at that time. >> but should republicans be concerned that when we talk

about the campaigns that seem to be the most organized and the most ready to go, that it's cruz. where's the kasich campaign in colorado. why are they -- i have to say, you know, i understand not being able to win, maybe have the money to do the big stuff in wisconsin right now and having to cherry pick states. but this is a, this is a -- this is small, you know, stuff, as far as geography's concerned. a targeted thing. where's the kasich campaign. >> i think the decision has been made internally. they much more have a home field advantage in the remaining areas. and john and his surrogates spend their time there and they project themselves a little bit more dramatically on the floor. >> i know it's about delegates, not states won, but do you think some delegates will feel more comfortable throwing their lot in with kasich if he can win one more state. >> i think john not only expects

to win, but i think the 2,500 delegates, after the first and second round, are going to take a look to see how well john as done. remember, he got in the race late, and if he does well in new york and pennsylvania, 10 or 11 remaining states, a little bit of momentum going into that. and suddenly, everybody's focused on this state, this state, this state. it's a one-state focus. you can win all 50 states and not have a chance in the general election, and obviously the theory is, we obviously not going to win all 50, but a strong. he's the only candidate head-to-head against hillary clinton -- >> that could be a very effective pitch come july when delegates are thinking about november. but as the republicans fight amongst themselves to lead the party, there is one republican who's trying to rise above this. let me play a little bit of it. >> what really bothers me the most about politics these days is this notion of identity politics. that we're going to win an

election by dividing people. rather than inspiring people on our common humanity and our common ideals and common culture on the things that should unify us. >> that didn't put the word speaker of the house video on there, secretary ridge, i would say that's a pretty interesting general election message for a republican nominee. >> spot-on. >> what do you make of it? >> i make of it, it's a great message for all the candidates. it's a great message for the delegates. which of the candidate in the race now appears to you to be the one most capable of unifying the party around common values, around experiences that reflects a conservative agenda, and appealing to the other side. and clearly, speaker ryan has said it correctly, you win by the politics of addition, and frankly, i think the two front-runners have been trying to prevail in individual states, by the politics of subtraction. >> let me ask you this, are you run of those republicans who believes that the nominee should be to keep the process credible, needs to be one of the candidates that ran, or do you think that at some point, it's perfectly acceptable if you turn

to somebody who didn't run, say, a current speaker of the house. >> i think it would be preferable if they select john kasich. but since the 2,500 delegates, the challenge for them is to understand that we have to win in november. >> so you're okay if others get thrown into this process. >> i don't think -- listen, i think it's clearly, i'm going to do everything i possibly can to convince them that john -- it's not about the promise of taking your conservative republican principles and putting into action, performance trump promises. and i would dare say that his record, as he was a congressman, and paul ryan would probably acknowledge it, was strong, formidable, and conservative. a strong, great, record. that projects pretty well across the floor with 2,500 good republicans who want to win in november. >> and if kasich doesn't get that, would you prefer door number four or cruz or trump? >> i would certainly look at an alternative. >> fair enough. tom ridge, always good to talk to you. >> my pleasure.

>> appreciate it. >> coming up, british prime minister david cameron clarifies his involvement in the panama papers leak. we're going to take a closer look at this massive document dump. and the other bold-face names that are getting pulled into this mess. bottom line is, this is something that's going to live a long time and tell a lot of stories beyond what you think they've told so far. and later, as baseball season begins, a new look at the life of jackie robinson. director ken burns will join me to discuss his new documentary about robinson's legacy on and off the field. stay tuned.

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vote in each of the three congressional districts. that's how president obama picked up one electoral vote in 2008. he won district two, omaha. it was the first and only time nebraska had split its votes. and the first time since 1964 that a democrat won any electoral vote out of the state of nebraska. so why are we telling you this? because the system may be about to change. state lawmakers are one step away from returning to their state to a more traditional winner-take-all system for electoral votes. that vote could some as early as tuesday. by the way, you want to know why they're doing it? because one party is in control of their legislature, unofficially. and they're tired of the democrats having a shot at winning that one. we'll be right back with more. there are two billion people who don't have access to basic banking, but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone ana tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time.

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having received them from a german newspaper, the international consortium of investigative journalists are sharing 11.5 million documents that detail how some very boldface names around the world, including 12 current and former heads of state could stash away billions in offshore accounts with dummy companies set up by a law firm headquartered in panama. now, the size of the leak is unprecedented and reaching all corners of the globe. just yesterday, british prime minister david cameron reported though he had profited by an offshore trust set up by his father, the fund was not set up to avoid taxation and says the fund was properly audited. he insists the trust was never secret. he and his wife sold his shares in the trust in 2010 before he became prime minister and they paid all applicable taxes. now, russian president vladimir putin's name does not appear in any of the leaked documents, but members of putin's inner circle are connected to something like $2 billion in offshore accounts.

putin himself denied any element of corruption. then there's ukrainian president, petrov poroshenko, who was one of the richest men in his country. he's named in the documents. he, of course, said he did nothing wrong. a federal prosecutor in arrange nikne argentina has launched an investigation into the prime minister of that country. the prime minister of iceland said he would stay in office, insisting there is nothing illegal about the company he and his wife had set up in the british virgin islands. he quit a day later. a new prime minister was sworn in yesterday. that's not all the panama papers, as they're becoming known as, they also show links to a cousin of syrian bashar al assad, he happens to be a top financier, and u.s. diplomat cables describe him as, quote, the poster boy for corruption. the families of the president of china, the prime minister of pakistan, the prime minister of malaysia, and the president of south africa have all had fingers pointed at them as well

in these panama papers. in all of these cases, family members, the officials themselves, or their spoexpeople have all either denied or are not admitting any wrongdoing. there's also a businessman described in the documents as mexican president, enrique peen etto's favorite contractor. the firm has serviced enough middle east royalty to fill a palace. it's helped two kings, mohammad vi of morocco and sing salman of saudi arabia take to the sea of luxury yachts. but politicians aren't the only ones being caught up in this. the names of 29 billionaires featured in forbes' list of the world's richest people also turned up in the documents. so did movie star jackie chan, soccer phenom, lionel messy, and music producer, simon cowell. none of them are accused of any personal wrongdoing. cowell and messy have denied doing anything improper or illegal. chan has not yet commented publicly. in all, the accounts are linked

to 200 countries and at least 140 politicians and public officials from around the world. now we should make clear that just holding money in an offshore company isn't automatically illegal, but it does raise an antenna. such financial arrangements can possibly be used to commit illegal acts, such as money laundering or tax evasion. where are all of these americans on the list? according to mcclatchy, the records includes the passports of 200 americans and addresses of 3,500 clients. sounds like a lot, but consider that the law firm at the center of this set up a quarter million companies in all. and so far, we haven't heard of any americans that would match the international star power of the names we've heard overseas. but the justice and treasury departments are digging through these documents to double check and make sure. horry friedman of the atlantic joins me now. he's probably been doing as much reporting on this report as

anybody out there in washington and joins me now. it's exhaustive. i was intrigued by this when i saw the assad business, right? here we've worked for years to try to find a way to essentially starve him of cash, and it turns out he had a ready way to stash cash. but this is -- he's just a pinprick here. >> so his cousin basically controls -- if you have a big business in syria, he has telecommunications networks. and linking him kind of helps -- >> that's the most illuminating thing. >> there's this entrenched network. there are so many people who are interested in him staying in power for their own financial gain. and that sheds a little bit of light on it. it extends so far beyond romney mcloof. >> if there is a pattern, i think i see a couple of patterns. countries with rich people who fear their country isn't going -- its current structure could fall apart.

like, that to me, a lion's share of that -- am i wrong on that? a lion's share feel like -- these are pitch people, powerful people from country who fear their governments could collapse. >> yeah. and that's part of why you see such public outrage. for example, with the icelandic prime minister, he had, you know, millions of dollars in something he coined with his wife in an offshore account in the british virgin islands. if you're doing that when iceland just went through a 2008 financial crisis, you're saying something about the icelandic corona. you're saying, i don't totally trust that i want my savings denominated in that,, you know -- >> so this would explain why there isn't a lot of americans stashing money here. american connections have to do with people who are -- americans who are trying to make money overseas. >> yes, that's true. that, in part, explains pit and americans have other options. so, for example, you can go to tax havens like the cayman islands, where it is -- they speak english, where the legal system is pretty sound, where it's based on english common law. so lawyers in america can --

>> it's safe. >> it's a safe thing. >> the other thing is that you can go to states in the u.s. delaware, wyoming, places where, it's not -- we can't draw a total equivalence between and, say, panama. on the other hand, you can register an llc, where you don't have to say who the owner is. >> we've had one change in power already in iceland. there aren't a lot of full-fledged democracies on this list. so i can't imagine we're going to see -- but, could we see this sort of turn into political turmoil? >> yes. and i think you're seeing that in the united kingdom, for example. where you're not seeing david cameron necessarily be at risk of losing power, but he is facing a lot of criticism of being hypocritical. so he had this trust where he gained $40,000 based on his father's offshore trust. he, at the same time, has been railing against tax secrecy. he has actually supported legislation that would allow public registry in the uk to identify the owners of companies, the beneficial

owners. he's organizing a conference in may about corruption. so i think what you're seeing is opposition saying, this is totally hypocritical, and it's undermining the legitimacy of these leaders on certain issues, like tax avoidance. >> to me the most depressing part of this leak is that it confirms the suspicion that so many of us have about autocratic leaders. that, basically, they try to enrich themselves. and what this seems to be is the proof that this is exactly what's going on here. >> and that they are able to do it relatively easily and this is a vast network. you're seeing it from zimbabwe -- >> every continent's represented. >> and this is one law firm in one country. >> do you think it's the law firm? >> it's one of the largest. the fourth largest. >> they were sort of known for this. but what we're seeing, this is 11 million documents from one law firm and you're seeing the global ramifications and we're only scratching the surface. >> it's a treasure-trove. >> books and books and books are

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i think that if we go back and check our record, the negro has proven beyond a doubt that we have been more than patient in seeking our rights as american citizens. be patient, i was told, as a kid. i keep hearing that today, let's be patient and take our time. things will come. seems to me that the civil war

has been over about 93 years. if that isn't patient, i don't know what is. >> that's jackie robinson on "meet the press" in april of 1957. think about what he said there in 1957. ten years after he became the first african-american to play in the major leagues, next league in an annual remembrance now of the late great dodgers legend, players across the country will wear the number 42 to honor robinson's courage in breaking the color barrier and his storied baseball career. today his widow, still going strong, by the way, rachel robinson, she keeps her husband's message moving forward. most recently, she joined president obama at a baseball game in cuba during the president's historic trip there. shortly after h, she spoke abou her husband's legacy. >> she wanted to not only focus on his role in playing the game, but also in being out front with

this process of fighting discrimination, fighting racism, and doing it in a dignified and a positive way. >> there's a new pbs documentary called jackie robinson and gives new insight into the making of this american icon. here's a clip. >> she's a patient, sharp-willed competitor who turned the other cheek to the threats of abuse he endured and made it possible for others to follow in his foot steps. and he did fight back, he had the scorn of fans and once-adoring press and even his own teammates. after baseball, he found new ways to use his fame to fight discrimination. but as the civil rights movement he had once seemed to embody

became more militant, its demands more strident, he was accused of being out of touch, an uncle tom. >> the film airs in two parts on april 11th and 12th. well, director ken burns, one of my favorite people to talk to joins me now. mr. burns, good to see you. >> great to see you, chuck. i was struck by replaying that clip of jackie robinson on "meet the press." i wish we had the video, too. but unfortunately, this network along with others threw away a lot of stuff over the years. we did have the audio. >> we used that audio in our film and had to sort of pretend it was radio. >> i know. i know. it's too bad. i was struck by his comments now in thinking about the black lives matter movement, because i have a feeling that that would be the explanation that an activist today would give. >> he would be the greatest civil rights leader ever if he was still alive. our film, when you strip jackie robinson of the imprisoning

tyranny of the mythology and get to the full man, he speaks to us today loudly and clearly about what went on in the southern strategy of '64, what happened in the election, a republican supporting nixon, black lives matter, integrating swimming pools, driving while black, stop and frisk, con fed rat flag, every issue we're talking about today with such an important story about race in america, he's there and on it, and almost looking over our shoulders and speaking to us. we found this in tcredibly contemporary, even though we think of this citizas a kind of ancient mythology of baseball. >> and what is your theory as to why he's sort of handled what could have been a horrendous situation. is it because he spent time in southern california, which just had less racism. is it because he wasn't in the deep south. i mean, what is it about jackie

that made it, you know, you always heard this story, when he was deciding, who will we have break the color barrier? jackie's ready. what was it about it? what have you figured out? >> it's funny, we focus all on him turning the other cheek for three years, one of the minors, two in the majors when he was behaving as a good negro, and when he finally didn't have to do that, we knew he was an uppity you know what. but i think branch ricky, who was intending to bring up other african-americans and this sort of fell into his lap understood that the college education, the feisty temperament that he would have to hold back, his competitiveness, and his unwillingness to be patient. his unwillingness to accept second-class citizenship put him in a position to fully understand how difficult a position he'd be in, and that he would have to shoulder a lot of this by himself, because he would be helping to carry his race. and jackie understood from that first meeting exactly what it was. and it's an existential story. he got up every day for the rest of his life and did something most of us don't do.

we talked the talk, he walked the walk. he tried to make the lives of people better for every day of his life and he did that. and that's why it's still an inspiring story. why he is the most important person in the history of american sport. one of the great americans in the beginning of the civil rights movement. he came up in '47, king was in college. >> right. no, it was, and baseball did this, baseball made the civil rights act possible. baseball probably made barack obama possible. and i had an intersection with willie mays on air force one, he flew with president obama in his first year. and he was basically in tears, at times, really in tears, just being there. and i asked him why, and he says -- he didn't articulate it in a long way, he just said, it meant everything i did was worth it. that's all he had to say. and we know that african-american players in the '50s, that was just a horrendous life. >> it was a horrendous life. and jackie opened the door and they realized, willie's in our film. and he says, you know, i was 16

years old, in alabama and playing baseball and really, really good at it, obviously. but when he saw that jackie could come up, he realized that he could make it, too. but it would mean that he would have to suffer some of the same things that jackie had, as dit kurt flood and henry aaron and so many of the great players. and people often complain, there are not enough black players in baseball anymore. but the latin players who dominate the game all have some bit of african blood in them and have experienced some discrimination. and the last person to be allowed to wear '42 was the great soon-to-be hall of fame reliever for the new york yankees. and he consciously chose 42. he knew who had opened the door for him. >> very quickly, rachel robinson, just unbelievable. still going strong. >> he's almost 94. she's one of the most formidable human beings i've ever met. and it's very, very clear. we spoke to the president and first lady in this film and they made it clear, too, you know, no

rachel, no jackie. you can't do it alone. and the president is very moving, having been an african-american male who went through the door by himself and had to suffer for that, how good it was to come home to somebody who loves you and had your back. and rachel was that and has carried on his legacy so magnificently. she's the reason -- i'd covered jackie in our original baseball series in '94, but it wasn't until she said, do a stand-alone, and we said, yes, rachel, we will do this. >> i'm so glad you have struck up this friendship. it was like a missing piece of history and you have done it, sir. congratulations. >> good talking with you. and on the topic of baseball, this sunday on "meet the press," i'll have an exclusive interview with a former president of the united states who has found his way back to washington for a new role at nationals park. who is it? what will he be doing? we will reveal on sunday morning, i can tell you this, it is this former president's third appearance on "meet the press." we'll be right back. i'm terrible at golf. he is.

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you may have heard senator sanders say i'm unqualified to be president. well, seriously, seriously, i've been called a lot of things over the years, but unqualified has not been one of them. this morning, he finally acknowledged, of course, he doesn't really believe that. this is all pretty silly. the question in this election should be who can actually get things done. >> that was hillary clinton this afternoon in buffalo, new york, after bernie sanders said this on the today show this morning. >> i've known hillary clinton for 25 years. i respect her. we were colleagues in the senate. on her worst day, she would be an infinitely better president

than either of the republican candidates. >> she is qualified? >> of course. >> she is likeable enough. why not just say that. joining us for the lid. so chris, i think it's cute the way everybody thinks the democratic race -- >> i mean, come on. >> i'm sorry. it was like a 24 hour period. we're talking about hand size like ten days ago. i mean, like no. this is -- to me, the only thing i would say, bernie sanders his only case, on air and off air, momentum. the only case is -- >> pulling a new york upset is a big thing. >> if it just goes along, goes along, no matter what happens in new york, she wins on the math. he steps on his momentum with his thing, which makes no sense, off of an interview that she doesn't even -- she says he is not not qualified. you know what i mean?

like it's picking a fight that is dumb to begin be, and then walk away from it 36 hours later. >> you have no dog in the democratic fight i assume, maybe you do. >> strongly o'malley. >> can you classify this race as negative? >> well, i mean, until bernie starts campaigning against her, calling her lyin' hillary, i don't think it will be quite the same level as the republican race right now. but i am a jim webb democratic. i want to qualify that. >> here is my sense of what's going on here. i think they're both a little exhausted. they're both tired of the other one, in different story lines. she is tired of dealing with him and he is tired of not getting the respect he thinks he has earned. they both realize new york is it. could it be they're just both a little short fused right now? >> maybe, but you know, she is the not one that said he was unqualified. he stepped it into totally

unprovoked. they tried to get her to say the same thing. >> she has been questioning whether he is a democratic. that seems a little ticky-tac. >> i think new york is important. bernie has to figure out how to attack her, if you will, on the policies. he says he wants to run a race about policy and issues, and saying that she is not qualified. he said she is not qualified. >> this is where i disagree. the fundamental mistake he has made is not making it a character election. president obama beat her on character race. >> i think, the thing is, running a cause and running a campaign. ron paul, maybe if you don't talk about your foreign policy views, you could actually win. he wasn't interested in winning. he wanted to make a point.

sanders thing, walk ago way from the e-mail thing, whatever you think of it, this is a thing that if you start a campaign and you say this would be a place you would go. he has never, ever gone there. >> they would love if he did. >> look, i do think what has started, maybe he thought it was a cause. then, you know, i equate it to indiana jones and the last crusade. at the very end, the holy grail is sitting there, at first the german doctor, ph.d., she is like i can reach it. you should let it go, let it go. then she falls to her death. then all of a sudden, oh, my god, it's within reach. >> he has to throw the ring in. is that the right movie? >> no. he got a glimpse of the holy grail and boy, i really messed up. i had a better shot at it and now i can't touch it. >> in some ways, i feel like, this feels to me like 2008 with the roles reversed.

but the time you realized it's too late, it's too late. the caucuses is in february, idaho and montana. >> a after she was betting him in kentucky, virginia, everybody is going -- it went nowhere. >> obvious negative attack that goes unmade. >> on this front, how do you worry that this is lasting, though, for the party? >> look, i mean, like in 2008, it lasted until june, and it was fine, since we had barack obama. i'm not worried about it. i'm not. >> unless it goes off the rails in the next couple of weeks. >> if does, bernie sanders will immediately correct himself the next day, so. >> that has been a pattern of his. he doesn't like sticking by an attack. >> the own thing worst in my opinion saying that she is not qualified, because it's a dumb attack and not going to work, is to say you know that thing i said 36 hours ago and made a big issue of it, you know she is

clearly qualified. then why did you say she was not qualified? own if you want to do it. it's one of these deals. he doesn't really want to run the sort of campaign that would help him win, and he is not in a position to win it at this point. >> i can't figure out what kind of campaign. can somebody explain what john kasich is up to? the attack ads on cruz only help one person, donald trump. >> it seems to be an entirely electability based campaign. >> nothing wrong with that. >> at the time republican voters do not seem especially interested in electability, much so than they were in the -- >> maybe he is hoping they will be. >> in july, he is not in colorado. here is what i don't understand. they're not even playing the insider game. i understand by saying hey, we're not going to win these votes, but colorado. >> why didn't he try to win vermont? he needs to say i won more than just my home state in order at

the done vengs to haconvention credible case. >> where is he in maryland. it's amazing that the state, which ought to be a strong state for. >> anybody not named trump, considering what happened in northern virginia. i'll leave it there. we'll be back more with more "mtp daily." if it's sunday, it's "meet the press," got a good one for you. the new trump manager, plus bernie sanders, plus a former president that i've been teasing you about. all on your local nbc station. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> i'm john helemann. with all due respect to pope francis, ever time you think you're out, they keep pulling you back in.