really bad, ugly politics come back. great conversation. thank you. rachel maddow starts now. >> goo evening. thanks. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. jeb bush says he's not going to the republican national convention this year. if there's one last republican somewhere in country who was hoping that jeb bush would get drafted off the bleachers and brought in to save the party, it's going to be a little more complicated because jeb bush will not be in the room when the decision happens. heolold cnn he's not going to attend the rnc. there's stories about how prom innocent republicans will skip the convention this summer because it's a fore gone conclusion it's going to be a controversial event. either they will pick a controversial nominee for president or the party is going to pick whoever the nominee is

by some very controversial process. the way they would get there would also be controversial even if they don't pick one of their controversial candidates. it's going to be controversial either way. the most risk aversion republicans are plningng on staying away because of that and that list includes jeb bush. this will be interesting to watch in terms of republican senators or governors up for re-election this year or republican members of the house from swingy districts. do they show up and participate in their party's big controversial event or stayomee and try to pretend like their own re-elections are totally separate from that mess in cleveland and they are totally separate from whoever their party puts at the top of the ticket. it will be interesting to watch for other republicans running for things.

just the jeb bush factor strikes me as a historically significant development because it's been a very long time since the bush family didn't play a key role, a central role in choosing the presidential nominee of the republican party. it's impossible to imagine a republican national convention without the bush family there. in modern american politics there's been four different recent republican national conventions where the party h ha picked a member of the bush family as the republican presidential contender for that year. that happened in 2004 and in 2000 and in 1992 rand in 1988. even when a bush family member was not himself the nominee, the bush family has been intimately involved. absolutely integral. take for example, 1964. it was a year when george h.w.

bush's dad, poppy bush's dad, jeb and w's grandpa, prescott. he played a significant role. this is what happened on election night in november 1964 when the republican nominee was barry goldwater. the states he carried represented in red. he got just lacquered by the democratic nominee in 1964. a lot of mainstream republicans, lots of political observers, definitely the whole democratic party. they could tell if they nominated somebody like barry gold water, his politics were so far to the rig t that the republican party would fall you have the edge of the electoral map, and they did. it was nevertheless committed.

the republican that happened in 1964 is because the so-called establishment choice for the republican party, the guy who was supposed to get the nomination, his campaign cratered and the party ended uptuing to barry goldwater once their plan a ended. prescott bush is part of the reason plan a ended. the establishment choice w this guy. the popular recently reelected zillionaire governor of new york state, nelson rockerfeller. they had a similar pedigree and similar politics. prescott was well regarded, well liked moderate republican senator from connecticut. it was a good, popular high profile in the republican party

even after he left the senate in his own terms when he decided not to run for re-election. prescott was friends with nelels rockerfeller. everybody assumed that prescott bush, of all people would be all in for nelson rockerfeller. he went for what was almost his inevitable nomination in 1964. then what happened to blow it all up was that nelson got divorced in 19. even worse, unimaginably worse, the following year in 1963, he got remarried. senator prescott bush, this liberal repuicanan dropped his long time friend nelson rockerfeller like a hot rock.

he gave a speech at a prep good graduation where he ripped his old friend up one side and down the other. he said, quote, have we come to a point in in our life of our nation can desert a good wife, divorce her and persuade a mother of four youngsters to abandon her husband and four children and marry the governor. this was the early 1960s, it was probably going to be some level of problem for him to get divorced and remarried right before running for president. what he did when he didn't just abandon his friend, he publicly excoriated his friend as a moral reprebait for what he had done. what happened when he made that break, that made clear to

everybody there would be no cover from the moderate liberal wing of the republican party for what nelson had done in his personal life. that made it more quickly and more cleanly fatal for nelson rockerfeller when the conservative wing of that party descended on him like locusts. rick describes the scene where nelson rockerfeller that year, after getting divorced and remarried, he attended the convention of the national federation of republican women. attended that event with his new wife on his arm. the two, quote, made their entrance into the ballroom to stoney silence. an entire table of bejewelled, begloved matns rose and marched

out. the same matrons raised the roof when barry and peggy arrived. barry and peggy being barry goldwater and his wife. when the republican party decided that they would rain moral disapproval on their establishment choice in 1964 because he had been divorced and remarried, when they decided that was too far and they would not let him survive that, the support of the party had to go somewhere else. one of the galvanizing arguments that pushed the republican party that year to the choice they ultimately made that year to barry gold water was this. this argument. a choice, not an echo. this was published in 1964. it was a clarion call to arms. are you comforortable about the divorce and remarriage, bring your morals to a republican party that rejects that sort of

thing. that stands for rejection of all things moderate that calls for renewe hardd edge fire and brimstone family values. she wrote that book. she self-published that book making this argument, a choice, not an echo. railing against the moderate and morally suspect likes o nelson rockerfefeller who should never seen as a real republican because the republican party should reject the likes of him. hundreds of thousands of copies were distributed that summer. that's not bad for a self-publiced of book, hundreds of thousands of copies. the republican party liked the argument enough that they picked barry goldwater.

they took that to the general election and got taken apart by the democrats. it undoubtly established the religious right within the republican movement and conservative movement. it established as powerful and persistent force. by 1972 a ground founded called stop era aimed at stopping the equal rights amendment that passed the house and senate. i ththink it's almost inarguable

the reason we never got equal rights amendment is because phyllis stopped it with her conservative activism. she changed the name stop era to the eagle forum. they have claimed membership in the tens of thousands. they've got office or chapters in something like 30 states. they have played a central role in defining social conservativism, anti-gay, anti-abortion politics putting them right at the heart of the republican platform. you lock at social issues, you wonder why the party has refused to evolve. it's not there hasn't been progressive or moderating influences over the years, it's not like the republican party hasn't ever tried to evolve like the rest of the country over the last few decades.

what's happened is there's an even stronger force pushing back against the modering influences to make sure the rerepublican party nevers gets conservative on homosexuality, abortion, feminism. that stronger force pushing back, more often than not that force is named phyllis. >> republican abortion rights activist promise to wage what they call political terrorism until the platform's anti-abortion language is changed. they claim the current platform could cost president bush the election. both his likely opponents favor abortion rights. >> are republican women going to desert you and vote for bill clinton? >> i don't think so. i think the integrity factor will keep them from going to clinton. will they go to rosss perot. that's another question. >> reporter: they adamantly oppose any change.

>> millions of americans who are motivated by high moral principle will not standor president bush saying he is pro-life while the black form is mushed up. >> mention earlier the republican national conventions in modern history have four times picked members of the bush family to be the republican party nominee for president. one of those four time s that one you saw footage there in 1992. that was the same '92 convention where pat buchanan got himself and gary bower and r rph reed and jerry falwell up on stage during the convention pushing the party to the right, advertising to the nation that the republican party had more fire and brimstone.

in 1992, just like in 1964, the phyllis influence on the republican party did pay off in november but paid off for the democrats. the harder the hard liners pushed, the success they have, the more repellent the rest of the country finds them. it's not been a good political move to follow them they keep doing it. i'm an old person. i just turned 43, but phyllis founded this group that became the eagle forum the rear before i was born. she was already 48 years old when she founded it andnd she's still running it. she's going to turn 92 this

years and is still running the eagle forum. yeah. there's been awkward moments over the years. there's been ups and downs. there was an awkward moment when her son was outed as gay. she had to come out and confirm she said he agrees with her on everything including how anti-gay she is. that was awkward. there was that moment last fall when they put out an e excited press release. national convention. only four of the 17 republican candidates showed up and one of them only showed upp because he decided that phyllis eagle council would be an excellent place to quit the race.

the first person to drop out of the republican presidential race this year dropped out on phyllis' stage. there's been ups and downs over the years but phyllis persists. she's had a remarkable influence over the course of her long lifetime on the republican party. she's been remarkablpersrsistent and consistent in the way she's push and shoved the republican party as far to the right as possible on all social issues. everybody else comes and goes, she remains. until now? after all the other things the republican party has been through what appears to have torn apart the 44-year-old organization, what appears to have caused a split not only between her and her organization but her and some of her own family is the guy who the republican party appears poised to choose this year as their nominee for president. >> we have a candidate who

really will give us a choice, not an echo. please give a big st. louis welcome to donald j. trump. >> amazing. >> phyllis schlafly endorsed donald trump on march 11th this year. because of that endorsement, her political world has finally

started to fall apart. this weekend the president eagle foryou recollect m put out this strange notice billed as a hostile takeover alert saying rogue group of board members, a gang of six was plotting to secretly force phyllis out of her own organization that she founded 44 years ago. that warning was on saturday. on sunday she publiclyosteted this letter which she said, with a heavy heart demanding the immediate resignation of a majority of her board members. she was trying to get them to resign before they held this rogue board meeting. monday they held the meeting and she leased another statement, at 2:00 p.m. today, six directors met in an improper, unprecedented phone meeting. i objected to the meeting. at 2:11 i was muted from the call. the meeting was invalid but they passed several motions to rust

control of the organization from me. they are attemptg to seize access to our bank accounts and to terminate employees and put members of their gang of six. she says this conduct will not stand. i will fight for eagle forum. she names the names of the gang of six, including one member of the gang of six who is her own daughter. phyllis and her organization have been at the heart of the conservative movement inside the republican party for over 40 years. something is happening to blow it up. right now, finally with phyllis schlafly at age 91, it appears to be blowing up because of donald trump. the party has been through crises before. it's part of how poppy bush lost in 1992.

phyllis had a role in both of the losses. we don't know how it will work out in the republican party's nominating process. we learned that paul ryan will not be riding to the rescue of his party. he said he wouldn't accept the nomination at the convention in cleveland even if they offered it to him. ted cruz is still the main not donald trump candidate. a number of eagle forum types not named have endorsed ted cruz, including phyllis daughter and some of the other members of this gang of six. ted cruz has no real way to win the nomination ahead of the convention. dojd trump continues to lead in the race but put up mind bending numbers. so, what happened here? in this sort of critical part of the republican party's conservative id and how did a thrice married new york zillionaire get a phyllis

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this isn't like the board of nabisco. this is the eagle foforum. this is phyllis schlafly's egg eagle forum. >> that was the president of the eagle forum saying on missouri talk radio that this pillalar organization, this 44-year-old stallworth organization, this vehicle for phyllis schlafly is blowing up over her endorsement for donald trump. mr. montgomery, it's nice to have you here. thanks for being with us. >> thanks. i'm happy to be here. >> in terms of understanding what just happened here, is this foreseen is this kind of out of blue? >> it's kind of shakespearean when you have her sending out calls for her own daughter to step down. i think we could have foreseen

it in way that phyllis is the victim of her own success. she has spent the last 50 years trying to build the kind of hard right republican party that we now have. in this moment it shouldd be her crown and glory. there's not one but two far right candidates at the top of the ticket. all the things she used to build that party, the anger and conspiracy theories i is being turned in on itself and tearing the party apart. now she's caught in the cross fire. >> some of the other board members of the eagle forum or the gang of six have suggested that maybe this is a product of some sort of infirmity on her part. they have raised the issue of her age. they have suggested that donald trump or somebody took advantage of her and manipulated her and relieving her as an act of mercy or kindness. what do you make of those charges in.

>> i thought that was pretty stun ing stunning. she's been on radio. it's clear she knows her mind. if some liberal made comments like that insinuating she only supported donald trump because she was manipulated into it, i think people on the right would be very offended. if you look at trump's record and her record, it's not surprising that she supports trump. she's always had a thing about u.n. s sovereignty and american sovereignty being sold out to the u.n. she would love to see railroad cars heading to the southern border. i think she sees a kindred spirit. it's not surprising even though a lot of her colleagues have signed up with ted cruz. >> this feels like a personal

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up to see him at temple university in philly. just the past two days have been, for a lack of better word, have been bunkers. he started his day by speaking to a crowd of 5,000 people. in albany, new york, same day, he held another event filled to capacity, over 4,000 people. last night there was an overflow crowd. more than 8300 people inside and another 3,000 people standing outstside and watching him speak on a big screen. that's more than 11,000 people turning out to see him. this morning in rochester, new york, another 6,000 people. another 5,000 people t turned ou to see him in syracuse this afternoon. to top it off, senator sanders finished today speaking to a crowd of 3700 people inside a room at marist college. the overflow crowd of another

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this announcement wasn't like the other corporate announuncement. this wasn't like we're not going to open an office in north carolina. this wasn't we're cancelling our convention in north carolina. we're cancelling our big meeting planned in charlotte. this decision by this porn company was no porn anymore. not anymore for anybody logging in from north carolina. if you're logging in from charlotte or chapel hill, where are you? sad trombone. no porn for you. instead of porn you got a message about north carolina being the land where homophobia is law. north carolina, stop your homophobic insanity. that happened today. i don't want to draw too strong a conclusion. i don't want to say he's changed his mind completely or north calina's's insanity has stopped but i will note that also today,

the governor started to cave a little bit. 21 days and one porn mascot thing later, the governor began trying toundo the law he signed and defended until today. he put out executive orders that purport to soften the impact of the law. whether you see this as a change of heart by the north carolina governor or an attempt to not crash the state's economy while up for re-election. the harm to the state of north carolina because of this law it's been very, very front and center. that trouble might be visible next door in tennessee because the tennessee legislature has been debaing its own discrimination bill. it goes after transgender students in school. last week they rolled bill

forward over the objections of business leaders. the official paper work warns it could jeopardize federal funding for schools. it could cast more than a billion dollars just in education money. yesterday the attorney general of tennessee warned the legislature that the potential consequences of passing this would be real and very painful for the state. we spoke today with the office of the republican governor of tennessee. the governor's office told us he, too, is worried about the potential loss of federal funding if this bill becomes law. quote, the governor does have financial concerns o over the lo of title ix funding. in tennessee this issue is being handled on a local basis situation by situation. the governor trusts our teachers and local school boards to make necessary accommodations in thosee situations. that state to us today from the office of republican tennessee governor. today the sponsor of that bill put on the brakes. he said he needs time to figure

out where all these dire financial warnings will come true. he really is risking a billion dollars in education funding alone for tennessee. joining us now is reporter joel ebert. he has been covering the sto for the daily paper. thanks very much for being here. nice to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> what is the status of this tennessee bill and is the experience in other states that have considered or passed these bills weighing on the decision in tennessee? >> it's essentially still in limbo now. the senate version was delayed. any action was delayed today. they believe they want to take it up after the budget process. they are maybe going to do it tomorrow. maybe early next week in the senate side. the house version is supposed to come up later there week, possibly as early as tomorrow. and as far as yourr second

question, no, the lawmakers, the proponents have not said any of the business concerns from other states, anything we have seen in other states. >> in terms of the governor's statement to us he was pretty explicit about having concerns about the financial consequences of the bill with the loss of federal funding. talk about federal education dollars, that's a lot of money. what's'she governor's relationship with the legislature? if he did veto this, is that the sort of thing that could stick or would the legislature override that? >> the legislature could override his veto. it only takes a simple majority. his relationship with mainstream republicans is fairly good. i think for some of these other folks who are really trying to run on sort of the n-centraral tenants of the republican party. people that think my constituents care about this issue.

if the governor would get this bill and he were to veto it, i could see them coming back and saying let's give it a ride and see how far we can go. >> why is all this stuff happening right now? tennessee has this transgender bill we've been talking about. tennessee just passed a bill that would let therapists refuse to take gay clients like that's a national crisis we need to start fighting. why is this percolating right now in tennessee? >> it seems like everybody is trying to react to the decision last year from the supreme court. at the beginning of this year's session, we had a number of bills that were sort of push back efforts to say, we disagree with that decisi.. we had one lawmaker, two lawmakers put forward a resolution that said that they disagree with the u.s. supreme court. that easily both chambers here.

so i think it's a reaction to that decision. >> state government reporter for the tennessee. i've been enjoying your coverage. thanks for talking with us. >> thank you. up next, we've got a heist done by some thieves who have very good taste but not in art.

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i love this story. okay. by now you have heard about the andy warhal theft. this is a heist that was pulled off this past week. there was something weird about this heist and by weird i mean math weird. it was wednesday night at 5:00. the staff closed the doors and went home. the next morning they went back to open the museum back up in the morning and the warhols were gone. there is no overnight security.

part of the mystery, these things were big. the firstamous paintingngs, they were done in 1962. those were not that big. in that first series he painted different varieties of soup and the canvasses was small. these ones that were stolen in springfield, they were a later series, which was much bigger. each of the soup cans stolen -- see how ch bigger itit is. 2 feet wide and 3 feet tall. they were all framed in wooden frames. it would have been hard to get a bunch of these out of the museum. that's part of the mystery. the things are big. the other part of the mystery is what exactly they took.

so in this later series by andy there were ten different varieties of soup in the series. these were the souflflavors in the series, which the museum had. chicken noodle soup, green pea soup, vegetable soup are among the ten. he made about 250 copies of this series initially, but since he made them in 1968 most of them have been split up assets. the great value is that there are mostst no intact sets of these ten soup cans left. somebody may have a black bean or green pea, somebody may have one or two or three, but all ten together that's the value and that's what the springfield art museum had that they were so proud of. so now check this out. the springfield art museum has all ten up on the wall. when the thieves get into the

museum, they had all ten soup flavors right there on the wall. these big soup cans, but what did they take? look. they only took seven of the soups. ththe intact set is invaluable. stealing seven of the ten has almost no value. look at what they left behind. they only left behind the gross soup. they left behind the consomme, the cream of mushroom and the pepper pot. cream of mushroom is tasty in other foods, but when it's a soup on its owit's disgusting. these thieves left behind the only three disgusting flavors out of those ten flavors of soup. and so it's a mystery. the fbi is now seeking the public's help.

the fbi is offering a $25,000 reward in this case, but from when know it's clear we're dealing with someone that was not stealing the art for its value of american art, what we're looking for is a soup fan with good taste in soup, but no clue about art. $25,000 reward. call the fbi if you know anything. soup heist. i told you i love that story. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> welcome back. we have some breaking news while you were addressing the nation about soup. marco ruo tip toeing ever closer to an endorsement and really in effect is an endorsement. >> that is a better story than the soup. >> he is actually number three in delegates. he has more delegates than john kasich.